The Devil Speaks (2018–…): Season 1, Episode 6 - Dead Man Talking - full transcript

AS AN INTERVIEWER,
THE TRUTH FLOWS.

LIES, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER.

HOW CAN YOU MURDER SOMEONE
WHEN YOU KNOW

THAT HIS DAUGHTERS
ARE GONNA BE HOME FROM SCHOOL?

THAT'S THE EPITOME OF EVIL.

THE HOUSE THAT I LIVED IN
WITH MY SISTER AND MY DAD WAS...

IT WAS NOTHING FANCY,
BUT IT WAS OUR HOME.

IT HAD EVERYTHING IT NEEDED,

WHICH WAS MY SISTER,
JAMIE, AND MY DAD

AND EACH OTHER'S COMPANY.

SISTERS JAMIE AND NICOLE
LIVE WITH THEIR 39-YEAR-OLD FATHER,



JOHN RIEBE.

HEY, GIRLS.

HE WAS VERY WARMHEARTED
AND CARING PERSON.

I'D GET OFF THE SCHOOL BUS,
AND MY DAD WOULD JUST BE

STANDING IN THE FRONT YARD
WITH THE FOOTBALL.

AND WE'D SPEND HOURS
JUST THROWING IT BACK AND FORTH.

GREAT ONE!

WE DID HAVE
A VERY HAPPY CHILDHOOD.

IT WAS VERY NICE
HAVING THE BIG BACKYARD

AND BEING ABLE TO BE OUTSIDE
AND NOT COOPED UP OR ANYTHING.

MY SISTER AND I
ARE REALLY CLOSE IN AGE.

SHE IS ABOUT 15 MONTHS OLDER
THAN I AM,

SO WE HAD THIS SISTER
KIND OF RIVALRY AT HOME.

YOU KNOW, OF COURSE
ALL SISTERS FIGHT,



STEALING EACH OTHER'S CLOTHES,
BUT WE'RE VERY CLOSE.

SHE'S ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS.

JOHN HAS BEEN
LOOKING AFTER THE GIRLS

AS THEIR PRIMARY CARER
EVER SINCE THEIR MOM, LISA,

LEFT 10 YEARS AGO.

MY MOM AND DAD
HAD MY SISTER, JAMIE,

PRETTY QUICKLY
INTO THEIR MARRIAGE,

AND SHORTLY AFTER,
I FOLLOWED,

AND I'M NOT SURE
THAT THEY WERE READY,

YOU KNOW,
TO BE THOSE ADULTS YET,

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE
A LOT OF THE CLASHING

BETWEEN THE TWO
CAME INTO PLAY.

HE JUST ENDED UP HAVING TO
RAISE TWO KIDS BY HIMSELF.

YOU KNOW, THEY SAY IT
TAKES A VILLAGE,

AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE
THAT'S WHAT WE HAD.

WE HAD A VILLAGE
OF FAMILY MEMBERS

WHO WERE ALWAYS THERE
TO HELP AND SUPPORT US,

TO HELP AND SUPPORT MY DAD
AND MY SISTER AND ME.

ME AND MY MOTHER AND LISA'S
MOTHER WERE SURROGATE PARENTS.

AND IT WAS FUN FOR US.
IT WAS FUN.

GROWING UP, MY MOM LIVED
ABOUT 15 MINUTES AWAY FROM US,

SO SHE WASN'T TOO FAR.

IT'S NOT THAT BAD.

MOM!

AND SHE STILL STAYED
INVOLVED WITH US

AND WAS THERE FOR US
WHEN WE NEEDED HER.

HEY, GIRLS.

MY PARENTS TRIED TO DO
A GOOD JOB

OF KEEPING THEIR CONFLICTS
AND ISSUES IN THE BACKGROUND,

SO IT DIDN'T SEEP TOO MUCH
INTO THEIR RELATIONSHIPS

WITH JAMIE AND ME.

NEIGHBORHOOD'S STARTING
TO LOOK NICE.

IT'S GETTING COLDER.

CHRISTMAS IN THE RIEBE HOUSEHOLD
WAS A HUGE EVENT.

WELL, WE'LL START GETTING
OUR DECORATIONS UP TOMORROW.

MY DAD ALWAYS HAD TO GO GET...

WE DIDN'T HAVE A BIG HOUSE,
BUT FOR SOME REASON,

HE ALWAYS HAD TO HAVE
A HUGE TREE, HUGE TREE.

WHEN ARE WE GOING
TO GET THE TREE?

TOMORROW.
WE'LL GET A GOOD-SIZED ONE.

OUR LIVING ROOM
WASN'T THAT BIG, BUT...

SO, I MEAN,
THE CHRISTMAS TREE

WOULD TAKE UP HALF
OF OUR LIVING ROOM.

YEAH, JUST MAKE SURE IT FITS
IN THE HOUSE THIS TIME.

HEY!

HE ALWAYS TRIED TO MAKE
SURE WE ALWAYS GOT WHAT WE WANTED.

CHRISTMAS WAS ALWAYS AMAZING
AT OUR HOUSE.

DECEMBER 15th
WAS A VERY COLD DAY.

I WAS RIDING
THE SCHOOL BUS HOME,

AND I HAD MY HEAD
LEANING AGAINST THE WINDOW,

AND THE WINDOW WAS ICY.

IT WAS JUST FREEZING COLD,

WHICH IS A STRANGE DETAIL
TO REMEMBER,

BUT WITH THOSE SORTS OF DAYS,

YOU KIND OF REMEMBER
ALL THE DETAILS.

WE WALKED UP THE STEPS
TO OUR DECK TO OUR FRONT DOOR.

AND THE DOOR WAS LOCKED...

- DAD?
- WHAT'S GOING ON?

...WHICH WE WERE OBVIOUSLY
CONFUSED ABOUT

BECAUSE THE CAR'S
IN THE DRIVEWAY

SHOWED THAT MY DAD
SHOULD HAVE BEEN HOME.

- DAD?
- DAD!

HE NEVER
LOCKS THE DOOR.

I DON'T HAVE MY KEY TODAY.

OF COURSE I LEAVE MY KEY
AT HOME 90% OF THE TIME.

DOOR'S LOCKED. OKAY,
MAYBE HE'S IN THE BATHROOM.

WE'LL TRY THE BACK DOOR.

DAD?

DAD?

STILL NO ANSWER.
OKAY, WE CAN'T GET IN.

WE HAD A WINDOW ON OUR DOOR,

AND I STARTED TRYING
TO PEER THROUGH,

AND I COULD SEE THE COUCH
AND THE COFFEE TABLE,

AND IN BETWEEN THE COUCH
AND COFFEE TABLE...

DAD?

...I SAW MY DAD
LYING FACEDOWN IN THE FLOOR.

JAMIE, I CAN SEE HIS FEET
ON THE FLOOR.

HE'S ON THE FLOOR.

HOLD IT.
HOLD THE WINDOW.

I CRAWLED THROUGH THE WINDOW,

AND I UNLOCKED THE DOOR,

GOT MY SISTER IN.

I WALKED OVER
TO MY DAD'S BODY.

THERE WAS A GUITAR
LAYING ON TOP OF HIM.

I TOUCHED HIS BACK,
AND I FELT THAT HE WAS WARM.

I GRABBED THE PHONE,
AND, UM...

I HAD CALLED...

TRIED TO CALL 911.

HELLO?

OF COURSE THEY'RE ASKING,

"WELL, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE
IN THE HOUSE?"

I SAID, "NO, MY SISTER AND I
JUST GOT HOME FROM SCHOOL."

AND HE GOES, "OKAY, WELL,
YOU NEED TO ROLL HIM OVER."

AND HE WAS BLUE.

THE PERSON ON THE 911 CALL
TOLD HER

THAT WE SHOULD GO WAIT OUTSIDE.

AND I WISH I HAD DONE THE SAME.

BUT I LOOKED AT MY DAD,
AND I LOOKED AT HIS FACE,

AND I KNEW THAT HE WAS DEAD.

AND THAT'S WHEN I SAW
A PUDDLE OF BLOOD NEXT TO HIM.

AND AT FIRST
I THOUGHT HE KILLED HIMSELF.

AND THEN I RAN OUTSIDE
AND JOINED MY SISTER,

AND WE BOTH STOOD
OUT THERE SCREAMING.

WE WERE SAYING THINGS LIKE,
"WHY WOULD HE DO THIS?

WHY WOULD HE LEAVE US?
WHY WOULD HE LEAVE US?"

DETECTIVES BOB
COLWELL AND TODD SLAMAN

ARE CALLED TO THE SCENE.

IT WAS CHRISTMAS WEEK,

AND I WAS CHRISTMAS SHOPPING
WITH MY FAMILY

WHEN I RECEIVED THE CALL
FROM SERGEANT CALDWELL.

YOU HAVE ONE SHOT
AT A CRIME SCENE,

AND THEN
IT'S DESTROYED FOREVER.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING
THAT YOU CAN BRING BACK.

WHEN WE FIRST GOT
TO THE CRIME SCENE,

I SAW THE VICTIM,
WHO WAS LAYING ON THE FLOOR

ON THE BACK CORNER
OF THE LIVING ROOM.

FROM THE CONDITION OF THE BODY,

YOU SEE THAT HE HAD
NOT BEEN DEAD LONG,

AND IT WAS MAYBE
A MATTER OF 30 MINUTES.

I COULD SEE ON THE FLOOR
THAT THERE WAS SPENT CASINGS.

IT WAS CLEAR IT WAS
NOT A SUICIDE.

YOU COULD DEFINITELY TELL
AT THAT POINT IN TIME

SOMEONE HAD SHOT AT HIM.

THE GUITAR WAS LAYING
NEXT TO HIS BODY.

IT LOOKED LIKE SOMEONE SHOT HIM
AS HE WAS PLAYING THE GUITAR.

WORD OF JOHN'S DEATH SPREADS,

AND THE RIEBE FAMILY BEGIN
TO GATHER IN SUPPORT

OF JAMIE AND NICOLE.

JUST UNBELIEVABLE.

HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?

IT'S JUST A SAD DAY.

WE CALLED THE PLACE WHERE
MY MOM AND GRANDMA WORKED.

AND SHE GOT THERE AS FAST
AS SHE COULD.

JAMIE!

MOM!

THE FORENSICS TEAM
CONTINUE TO COMB THE SCENE FOR CLUES.

THERE WERE NO SIGNS
OF FORCED ENTRY,

SO WHOEVER THE PERPETRATOR
WAS AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW,

EITHER JOHN LET HIM IN,
OR HE LET HIMSELF IN.

HE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH JOHN.

HE HAD BEEN SHOT SEVEN TIMES.

THE ONE WOUND THAT WAS FATAL
WAS HE SHOT RIGHT IN THE AORTA,

JUST RIGHT DEAD CENTER MASS.

THE NUMBER OF GUNSHOTS
INDICATE IT WAS A KILLING

FUELED BY ANGER.

SOMEBODY WAS PISSED OFF AT HIM.

SOMETHING AT THAT MOMENT
TRIGGERED SOMETHING

SO CATASTROPHIC
IN THE PERPETRATOR

THAT HE RESULTED TO TAKING OUT
AND ELIMINATING JOHN.

WE TOOK NICOLE AND JAMIE
AND, I BELIEVE, LISA

NEXT DOOR
TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE,

SHE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO LET US
USE KIND OF LIKE A QUIET HOUSE.

WELL, WE WERE COMING HOME
FROM SCHOOL.

DETECTIVE SLAMAN
SEPARATES THE GIRLS

AND THEIR MOTHER AND INTERVIEWS
THEM ONE-BY-ONE.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
CLOSEST TO YOUR VICTIM

ARE DEFINITELY PEOPLE
YOU WANT TO INVESTIGATE THEM

RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING.

LISA, WELL, WE LEARNED
THAT THERE WERE

SOME MARITAL DIFFICULTIES

DATING BACK OVER 10 YEARS,
YOU KNOW?

THEY HAD A RELATIONSHIP
THAT HAD SOME UPS AND DOWNS.

LISA WAS A LITTLE BIT PARANOID.

SHE DIDN'T TRUST
A LOT OF PEOPLE.

I KNOW
WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.

WHAT AM I THINKING?

WELL, I'M THE EX, RIGHT?

OF COURSE YOU'RE GONNA THINK
IT WAS ME.

FATHER OF TWO,
JOHN RIEBE, HAS BEEN SHOT DEAD,

AND POLICE ARE QUESTIONING HIS
ESTRANGED WIFE, LISA RICHMAN.

WELL, I'M THE EX, RIGHT?

OF COURSE YOU'RE GONNA THINK
IT WAS ME.

SHE WAS OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE THAT
WE WERE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN

AND, YOU KNOW, NEEDED TO SEE
IF SHE WAS INVOLVED.

LISA TELLS DETECTIVES
SHE SPENT ALL DAY AT WORK.

UNTIL POLICE CAN VERIFY
LISA'S ALIBI,

THEY HAVE TO CONSIDER HER
A POSSIBLE PERSON OF INTEREST.

BY 11:30 OR 12:00
THAT NIGHT,

I WAS JUST FINISHING UP
THE CRIME SCENE,

AND A COUPLE OF JOHN'S FRIENDS
SHOWED UP.

THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY UPSET.

THEY HAD SAW THAT JOHN RIEBE
HAD BEEN KILLED.

THEY HAD SAW IT ON THE NEWS.

THEY SAID THEY HAD INFORMATION
THAT COULD POSSIBLY LEAD

TO WHOEVER KILLED HIM.

POLICE BRING THEM TO
THE STATION TO BE INTERVIEWED.

WELL, THE BEST PART OF THIS JOB

IS TRY TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT THE REAL TRUTH IS.

AFTER SO MANY YEARS,
YOU START REALLY GETTING A FEEL

IF THEY'RE TELLING THE TRUTH
OR THEY'RE LYING TO YOU.

KLAWITTER WAS ADVISING US
THAT JOHN WAS AN EASYGOING GUY.

HE LIKED TO WORK.
HE LIKED TO PARTY.

KLAWITTER TELLS POLICE
THAT HE'D BEEN AT A PARTY

AT JOHN RIEBE'S HOUSE
THE PREVIOUS FRIDAY...

...WHEN A MAN CAME IN THAT
KLAWITTER DIDN'T RECOGNIZE.

HE SAID, WHEN THE GUY
WAS LEAVING,

HE WALKED OUT INTO
THE LIVING ROOM NOW,

AND HE ACTUALLY
CONFRONTED THEM.

WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM?

WHY YOU KEEP
LOOKING AT ME?

HE WATCHED ME WHEN I CAME IN,
AND THEY'RE WATCHING ME NOW.

NEXT, THE DETECTIVES
SPEAK WITH JOHN'S BEST FRIEND,

ERIC BABOS.

ERIC BABOS WAS A GOOD
SOURCE OF INFORMATION

BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY'D
GONE TO HIGH SCHOOL TOGETHER.

HE HAD KNOWN JOHN RIEBE
FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

ERIC AND MY DAD
HAD A TIGHT FRIENDSHIP.

YOU KNOW, WHENEVER ERIC NEEDED
SOME EXTRA MONEY,

MY DAD WOULD ALWAYS FIND A WAY
TO HAVE HIM HELP OUT

WITH SOME JOBS
AS HIS ASSISTANT.

BABOS CORROBORATES KLAWITTER'S
ACCOUNT OF THE PARTY.

WE NEEDED TO DEFINITELY
DIG INTO A LOT DEEPER

AND TRY TO FIND OUT
WHO THIS GUY WAS.

BUT WITH ONLY AN ALIAS
AND A VAGUE PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION,

IDENTIFYING J.R.
ISN'T GOING TO BE EASY.

WE START SENDING THE
SUBPOENAS OUT FOR THE PHONE RECORDS.

WE START GATHERING
ALL THE INFORMATION,

FOLLOWING UP
ON THE CORONER'S REPORT,

FOLLOWING UP
ON DIFFERENT AVENUES.

WE WERE ABLE TO CONFIRM
LISA'S ALIBI.

SHE WAS ELIMINATED
WITH THE PHONE RECORDS,

AND HER EMPLOYER ADVISING
THAT SHE WAS AT WORK

DURING THE TIME FRAME.

BOB, YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO
SEE THIS.

JOHN RIEBE'S
CELLPHONE RECORDS

OFFER THE FIRST
SIGNIFICANT CLUE.

WHAT AM I LOOKING AT?

VALYNN RODGERS.

WE WERE ABLE TO PINPOINT
THAT NUMBER

AS A NUMBER
THAT HE CALLED FREQUENTLY,

SO WE HAD THE NAME
VALYNN RODGERS.

WE FOUND OUT THAT HE WAS IN
CUSTODY ON SOME MINOR CHARGES.

CHECK HIS STREET NAME.

- J.R.
- YEAH.

BOB, YOU'RE GOING TO
WANT TO SEE THIS.

POLICE HAVE
TRACKED DOWN VALYNN RODGERS,

THE PRIME SUSPECT
IN THE KILLING OF JOHN RIEBE.

OKAY,
LET'S CHECK HIM OUT.

RODGERS IS ALREADY IN CUSTODY
FOR AN UNRELATED CRIME.

AND HE WAS ACTUALLY
IN THE BULLPEN

WITH THE OTHER PRISONERS,

AND WE ACTUALLY
WENT THERE THAT DAY,

PULLED HIM ASIDE
AND JUST, YOU KNOW,

ADVISED HIM WE WANTED TO TALK
TO HIM ABOUT JOHN RIEBE.

YEAH. I KNOW JOHN.

WHY?
WHAT'S GOING ON?

WHAT'S THIS ABOUT?

HE'S DEAD.

HE'S BEEN MURDERED.

WE WANT TO KNOW
WHAT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WAS.

LOOK, ALL RIGHT.

I RAN ERRANDS FOR HIM.

HE'D CALL ME.

I'D DELIVER BOOZE.

I'D DELIVER DOPE.

THE POLICE ALREADY
KNEW JOHN RIEBE LIKED TO PARTY.

NOW THEY KNOW RODGERS
SUPPLIED HIM WITH DRUGS.

I THINK THAT'S WHY WE SPENT
A LOT OF TIME

AT MY GRANDMA'S
DURING THE WEEKEND,

AND THAT'S WHEN A LOT OF THAT
SORT OF THING WOULD HAPPEN.

SO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE
WORK ALL WEEK

AND PARTY ON THE WEEKENDS
KIND OF THING.

HE WAS GOOD CUSTOMER.

JOHN WAS A GOOD GUY.
HE WAS A NICE GUY.

ALWAYS PAID UP FRONT,
ALWAYS HAD THE MONEY.

I'M NOT GONNA KILL
MY BEST CUSTOMER, AM I?

BASICALLY, VALYNN RODGERS SAID,

"HEY, LOOK, THIS GUY
WAS THE GOLDEN GOOSE.

WHY WOULD I KILL HIM?

IN 15 MINUTES,

I MAKE A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS
OFF THIS GUY."

RODGERS ADMITS
BEING AT THE PARTY

THE PREVIOUS FRIDAY, WHERE HE
MADE A DELIVERY TO JOHN.

HIM AND JOHN
DID THE DEAL IN THERE,

AND THEN WHEN HE WENT OUT,
HE BECAME FOCUSED ON A GIRL.

WE TALKED.

I GOT HER NUMBER,
AND THAT WAS IT, AND I LEFT.

RODGERS PROVIDES DETECTIVES

WITH THE NAME OF THE WOMAN
HE SPOKE TO THAT NIGHT...

MICHELLE ARRIAGA.

WITH OPPOSING ACCOUNTS
OF THE PARTY,

THE DETECTIVES NEED TO TRACK
DOWN THE FINAL WITNESS

FROM THAT EVENING.

YOU HEARD ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENED TO JOHN RIEBE?

YEAH, I HEARD.

MICHELLE TOLD US THAT J.R.,
ON HIS WAY OUT,

HE WAS TRYING TO GET
A DATE WITH HER,

NOT CONCERNED WITH THESE
OTHER KNUCKLEHEADS

THAT WERE IN THE ROOM.

THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFLICTING
STORIES ABOUT THE PARTY.

THERE WAS NO GUN?

- NOT THAT I REMEMBER AT ALL.
- NO?

MICHELLE'S ACCOUNT
THROWS ERIC BABOS'

AND JOHN KLAWITTER'S TESTIMONY
INTO QUESTION.

AS POLICE SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH,

THE GIRLS STRUGGLE TO COME
TO TERMS WITH THEIR LOSS.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US SLEPT.

I JUST REMEMBER CRYING
THE WHOLE NIGHT,

AND WHEN THE SUN ROSE
THE NEXT DAY,

IT WAS LIKE IT WAS HAPPENING
ALL OVER AGAIN.

MY SISTER AND I,
WE STAYED CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.

I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING
THAT BOTH OF US NEEDED,

BUT NEITHER OF US HAD ANY IDEA
WHAT TO SAY TO THE OTHER ONE.

WHILE THE GIRLS TRIED
TO COPE WITH THEIR GRIEF...

HAVE A SEAT OVER THERE,
WOULD YOU PLEASE, LISA?

...THEIR MOM, LISA,
STUMBLES ACROSS SOMETHING

SHE THINKS COULD BE VITAL
TO THE CASE.

AS SOON AS I HEARD THESE,
I HAD TO COME TO YOU GUYS.

I KNOW THEY'RE IMPORTANT.

SHE CLAIMS SHE HAS JUST
DISCOVERED SOME VOICEMAILS

LEFT THE DAY
OF JOHN'S MURDER.

SHE CHECKED HER PHONE,
AND THAT'S WHEN SHE FOUND OUT,

"JUST MINUTES BEFORE 3:00,

MY EX-HUSBAND IS ALIVE
AND CALLING ME."

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN,
JOHN'S VOICE CAME ON THERE,

AND I JUST...
I COULDN'T BREATHE.

I THINK I WENT INTO SHOCK, UM,

KNOWING HE WAS TRYING
TO REACH OUT,

TRYING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, "HEY,
THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG HERE,"

AND I COULDN'T GET TO THE PHONE
BECAUSE I WAS AT WORK.

IT'S A VOICEMAIL
FROM JOHN ASKING LISA

TO PICK UP HIS PAYCHECK.

I'VE DONE IT BEFORE.

LIKE HE'D BE OUT ON A JOB
OR SOMETHING,

COULDN'T GET BACK TO THE SHOP.

"HEY, CAN YOU GO
PICK THAT UP FOR ME?"

"YEAH, NO PROBLEM."

AND YOU SAY THERE'S
A SECOND RECORDING?

YEAH, THERE'S ONE MORE.

THERE'S SOMEONE
IN THE ROOM THERE WITH HIM.

LISTEN AGAIN.

DID YOU HEAR IT?

THERE'S DEFINITELY SOMEONE
IN THE BACKGROUND.

YEAH.

IT SEEMS JOHN'S KILLER

HAS BEEN CAUGHT
ON THE VOICEMAIL MESSAGE.

THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE
ON IT

TO SEE IF THAT VOICE
COULD BE MADE OUT.

THE TECHNOLOGY COULD NOT MAKE IT
DISCERNIBLE WHAT THEY SAID

OR WHAT THEIR VOICE
EVEN SOUNDED LIKE.

BUT THE VOICEMAILS
STILL HOLD VITAL INFORMATION

FOR THE DETECTIVES.

WE KNOW JOHN RIEBE WAS ALIVE
AT NOW 3:00,

AND WE KNOW HE'S DEAD AT 3:22.

IT NARROWS THAT TIMELINE.

IT PUTS THE MONEY THE PRIORITY,

AND OTHER THAN JOHN
GETTING THE MONEY,

WHO'S THE NEXT ONE TO BENEFIT?

LISA TELLS THE DETECTIVES
SHE HAD BEEN TALKING TO JOHN

EARLIER THAT DAY.

SO MY DAD WAS SELF-EMPLOYED.

HE DID HEATING
AND AIR CONDITIONING WORK.

A-1 WOULD CONTRACT WORK OUT
TO MY DAD.

BOB PFEIFFER,
HE OWED JOHN SOME MONEY.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK
LED US TO BELIEVE

THAT IT MAY HAVE BEEN HIM.

AFTER JOHN RIEBE
WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED...

JUST HAVE A SEAT OVER THERE,
WOULD YOU PLEASE, LISA?

...EVIDENCE FROM HIS ESTRANGED
WIFE RAISES A NEW SUSPECT...

THE OWNER OF A-1 HEATING,
BOB PFEIFFER.

A-1 HEATING IS...

WE KNEW IT WAS A BUSINESS
ON MONROE STREET.

WE DID SOME RESEARCH ON THAT.

WE FOUND OUT WHO THE OWNER WAS.

WE ALSO FOUND OUT ONE OF THE
OTHER MANAGERS THERE, DAN BOYLE.

BOTH DAN BOYLE AND BOB PFEIFFER

ARE CALLED IN FOR INTERVIEWS.

JOHN RIEBE'S PHONE RECORDS
SHOW FOUR PHONE CALLS

MADE TO A-1 HEATING

IN THE MINUTES
LEADING UP TO HIS DEATH.

THE DETECTIVES ASK DAN BOYLE
ABOUT THOSE CALLS.

DAN BOYLE SAYS
THE FIRST PHONE CALL

CAME INTO A-1 HEATING AT 3:04.

A-1 HEATING.

IT'S READY.
JUST COME ON IN AND GET IT.

THREE MINUTES LATER,
THE PHONE RINGS AGAIN.

THE MAN ON THE PHONE

CLAIMS HE JUST INSTALLED
A FURNACE WITH JOHN RIEBE

AND WANTS TO COLLECT
HIS SHARE OF THE MONEY.

DAN BOYLE'S TESTIMONY
MATCHES THE VOICEMAILS

LISA RICHMAN
BROUGHT TO THE POLICE.

WE KNOW JOHN RIEBE,
"A," IS STILL ALIVE,

"B," HE'S PROBABLY
WITH THE PERSON

THAT ENDED HIS LIFE
AT THAT TIME.

THAT SUBJECT WAS UPSET.
HE WAS UPSET ABOUT THIS CHECK.

HE WAS UPSET ABOUT COMING
TO GET THE MONEY,

SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME,
IT GAVE US THE MOTIVE.

A-1.

JOHN?
YEAH, YOU JUST SPOKE TO DAN.

HE TOLD YOU.
YOU GOT TO COME DOWN YOURSELF.

NO, YOUR HELPER CAN'T COME
AND GET IT.

PFEIFFER TELLS
THE POLICE THE PHONE RANG AGAIN

FOUR MINUTES LATER.

THE CALLS ABRUPTLY STOP.

AT 3:20, FIVE MILES AWAY,

THE GIRLS
DISCOVER THEIR FATHER'S BODY.

THEN AT 4:07,

BOB PFEIFFER RECEIVES
ONE FINAL CALL.

A-1.

BETWEEN THE PHONE
RECORDS AND THEIR TESTIMONY,

BOTH PFEIFFER AND BOYLE HAVE
PROVEN THEY AREN'T SUSPECTS,

BUT THE POLICE STILL NEED
TO KNOW

THE IDENTITY OF THE SECOND MAN
ON THE CALLS.

NOW, THAT LAST PHONE CALL,

WAS THAT FROM THE SAME MAN
AS THE 3:13 CALL?

YEAH, DEFINITELY THE
SAME MAN, WITHOUT A DOUBT.

WITHOUT A DOUBT.

THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST
KEY PIECE OF EVIDENCE,

WHEN MR. PFEIFFER...

AND HE WAS VERY ADAMANT
ABOUT IT.

HE SAID, "THAT PERSON THAT
CALLED ME AT 4:00

IS THE SAME PERSON THAT WAS ON
THOSE OTHER PHONE CALLS."

THEY KNOW THAT 4:07 CALL
IS THE KEY TO UNLOCKING THE CASE.

THAT HAD TIED
ALL THE PHONES TOGETHER,

TIED THE TIMELINE TOGETHER.

AND WHEN THEY CHECK
A-1's PHONE RECORDS,

THEY DISCOVER IT WAS MADE

FROM THE CELLPHONE OF JOHN'S
BEST FRIEND, ERIC BABOS.

ERIC BABOS IS NOW
THE PRIME SUSPECT

IN THE MURDER OF JOHN RIEBE.

BUT COULD ERIC REALLY HAVE
KILLED HIS BEST FRIEND

OVER $150?

IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT
ERIC ACTUALLY HAD

A COUPLE OF TRAFFIC WARRANTS,
MISDEMEANOR WARRANTS,

SO WE DECIDED
TO EXECUTE THEM UPON ARREST

AND EXECUTE SEARCH WARRANTS
AND THAT

TO TRY TO FIND SOME MATERIALS

THAT MAY BE LINKED HIM
TO THE DEATH OF JOHN RIEBE.

ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A GUN.

WE'RE LOOKING
FOR A MURDER WEAPON.

LET'S MOVE.

THE SEARCH COMES UP
EMPTY-HANDED,

BUT THEY USE
THE ARREST TO QUESTION BABOS.

OUR GOAL AT THAT POINT
IN TIME WAS TO INTERVIEW HIM

AND TO REALLY
NARROW HIS STORY DOWN.

BABOS ADMITS JOHN OWED HIM $150

BUT DENIES EVER BEING
AT HIS HOUSE THAT DAY.

DURING THIS TIME FRAME,

ERIC WAS HELPING HIS BROTHER
GREG FIX UP HIS HOME.

THAT WAS HIS ALIBI.

BUT ERIC'S BROTHER
LEFT HIM ALONE AT THE HOUSE

BETWEEN 10:30 A.M. AND 4:00 P.M.

HIS ALIBI
DOESN'T HOLD ANY WATER.

AS AN INTERVIEWER, OR AS AN
INVESTIGATOR, YOU HAVE A THEORY.

YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH FLOWS.

YOU DON'T HAVE
TO THINK ABOUT IT.

IT JUST GOES.
LIES, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER.

DETECTIVE SLAMAN
PUSHES BABOS HARD.

BUT BABOS DOESN'T CRACK.

I FELT THAT, YOU KNOW,
HE DIDN'T CARE.

HE DIDN'T CARE THAT
JOHN RIEBE WAS DEAD.

HE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT HIS KIDS.

I FELT HE WAS PRETTY COLD
AND CALCULATED.

WITH NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE
TO TIE HIM TO THE MURDER,

THE POLICE
ARE FORCED TO RELEASE HIM.

ON DECEMBER 20th,

JOHN RIEBE'S FAMILY
GATHER TO PAY THEIR RESPECTS.

SEEING HIM IN HIS CASKET,

THAT'S WHEN IT STARTED
TO FEEL REAL,

LIKE, "OKAY, WE ARE BURYING HIM.
THIS ISN'T A DREAM."

WHEN YOU SEE SOMEONE
IN A CASKET, YOU KNOW,

IT'S, LIKE,
"THAT'S IT,"

AND WE NEVER THOUGHT
WE WOULD SEE OUR DAD IN A CASKET

WHEN HE WAS 39 YEARS OLD.

IT WAS HARD TO ACCEPT.

AND OUT OF MY PERIPHERAL VISION,
I SAW THREE MEN ENTER,

AND I LOOKED OVER,
AND I SAW ERIC BABOS

WITH HIS BROTHER GREG
AND HIS DAD.

WE KNEW THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS
HAD BEEN QUESTIONING HIM.

HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO
BE HERE.

IT WAS LIKE, THE NERVE.

AND, I MEAN,
HE WAS JUST LOOKING AROUND,

LIKE, JUST ALL JITTERY, AND...

HE HAD HIS HANDS IN HIS POCKETS,
AND I'M GOING, LIKE,

"WHAT, YOU GOT A GUN IN THERE
OR SOMETHING?"

WE DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT WAS GOING ON,

SO IT WAS JUST VERY TENSE.

MY BROTHERS WERE ANGRY.

VERY ANGRY.

I MEAN, MY BROTHERS WERE READY
TO PUNCH THIS GUY OUT,

AND ERIC'S FATHER SAID TO HIM
AND HIS BROTHER,

"YOU BETTER NOT HAVE HAD
ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS."

CONVINCED BABOS IS GUILTY,

DETECTIVES SEARCH FOR ANYTHING
TO CONNECT HIM TO THE MURDER.

THEY LOOK INTO EVERY MOVEMENT
HE MADE

ON THE DAY JOHN WAS KILLED.

HE TOLD US,
AT 4:00 THAT DAY,

HE WENT TO A DEPARTMENT STORE
WITH HIS BROTHER.

THEIR SECURITY GUARD
ACTUALLY PULLED UP

THAT VIDEO FOR US THAT DAY.

JUST START LOOKING
FROM 4:30 ONWARDS.

STOP IT THERE.

ONCE WE SAW THAT SHIRT, THEN WE
KNEW WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.

IF ERIC DID SHOOT JOHN,

THE POLICE BELIEVE THE CLOTHES
HE WAS WEARING THAT DAY

COULD HOLD
VITAL FORENSIC EVIDENCE.

THEY CARRY OUT A SECOND SEARCH
OF BABOS' APARTMENT.

ALL RIGHT.

WE GOT IT.

WE HAD THAT SHIRT SENT

TO THE BUREAU OF CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION HERE IN OHIO.

THEY FOUND SOMETHING.
CHECK IT OUT.

THE NEXT MORNING,
THE FORENSIC RESULTS COME IN.

GUNSHOT RESIDUE
ON THE SLEEVE.

HE COULDN'T EXPLAIN HOW HE EVER
GOT GUNSHOT RESIDUE ON HIM,

BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO ANY
YOU KNOW, SPORTS SHOOTING,

HE DIDN'T OWN A FIREARM.

SO THAT WAS ONE
OF THE KEY PIECES

OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE
THAT WE HAD.

- WE GOT HIM.
- YEAH.

ON DECEMBER 29, 2004,

POLICE ARREST ERIC BABOS
FOR THE MURDER OF JOHN RIEBE.

AT TRIAL, PROSECUTORS PRESENT
THEIR CASE TO THE JURY

AS TO WHAT HAPPENED
ON DECEMBER 15th.

ERIC BABOS STARTED HIS DAY

DECORATING AT
HIS BROTHER'S HOUSE.

PHONE RECORDS SHOW HE MADE
FOUR CALLS TO RIEBE

WITH THE LAST AT 2:00 P.M.

HEY, MAN, I REALLY NEED
THAT CASH TODAY.

YEAH, I WANT TO BUY MY KID
A CHRISTMAS PRESENT.

NO, NOT TOMORROW, TODAY.

I'M SICK OF WAITING AROUND
FOR YOU, JOHN.

I'M COMING OVER.
YEAH, I'M COMING OVER.

POLICE BELIEVE HE BIKED
THE FOUR MILES

FROM HIS BROTHER'S HOUSE
TO RIEBE'S.

HIS VEHICLE WAS BROKEN DOWN,
THAT WE WERE AWARE OF.

HE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS
TO ANOTHER CAR.

JOHN HAD BEEN CONSUMING
ALCOHOL THAT DAY.

WHEN JOHN WAS PARTYING,

HE WAS VERY CAUTIOUS
ABOUT DOING ANY DRIVING.

THAT ALL MATCHED THAT WHY JOHN

DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE
THE HOUSE THAT DAY.

LOOK, I CAN CALL LISA.
SHE CAN GO PICK UP THE CHECK.

SORT OF WEIGHS ON ME.

YOU KNOW, WHAT IF, YOU KNOW,
I WASN'T AT WORK?

WHAT IF I WOULD HAVE
PICKED UP THE PHONE?

MAYBE I COULD HAVE SAVED HIM.

MAYBE I COULD'VE CALLED
THE POLICE.

MAYBE I WOULD'VE WENT OVER THERE
AND BEEN KILLED ALSO.

SO WE CALL A-1.

YEAH, MR. BOYLE.

HI, IS MY CHECK READY YET?

LOOK, YOU WANT YOUR MONEY
SO DAMN MUCH,

YOU CALL HIM YOURSELF.

I WANT MY DAMN MONEY.

- Who is this?
- I DID A JOB FOR YOU.

You're gonna have to get
John to come down, okay?

CALL HIM AGAIN.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA
CHANGE THEIR MIND.

ERIC BABOS WAS WIRED
WITH A BAD ENOUGH TEMPER

THAT HE COULDN'T CONTROL IT.

MAYBE HE PULLED THE GUN OUT
THAT DAY,

AND MAYBE JOHN LAUGHED AT HIM.

COME ON, MAN.

AND HE WASN'T KIDDING AROUND.

ERIC KNEW MY DAD WAS WORKING
TO TRY TO PROVIDE

A BETTER LIFE FOR HIS KIDS.

A FAMILY GUY
AND SOMEBODY WHO WAS VERY LOVED.

HOW CAN YOU MURDER SOMEONE

WHEN YOU KNOW THOSE TWO
DAUGHTERS ARE GONNA BE HOME

IN FIVE MINUTES FROM SCHOOL?

I THINK
THAT'S THE EPITOME OF EVIL.

A-1.

RIEBE OWES ME $150.
I DID A JOB WITH HIM.

CAN I COME DOWN
AND GET MY MONEY?

Look, you work for Riebe, okay?

You get your money from Riebe.

DAD?

BABOS RETURNED
TO HIS BROTHER'S HOUSE,

WHERE HE MADE THE 4:07 CALL
TO A-1 HEATING.

IT WAS ONE OF THE CASES WHERE,
YOU KNOW,

JUST EVERYTHING KIND OF SEEMED,
TO FALL IN PLACE.

AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU,
I DON'T THINK I CAN THINK OF

WHERE YOU COULD EVER
GET A TIMELINE LIKE THAT.

ERIC BABOS IS FOUND
GUILTY OF MURDER

AND SENTENCED TO LIFE
ON AUGUST 5, 2005.

I WAS RELIEVED
THAT HE WAS CAUGHT,

BUT AT THE SAME TIME,
I WAS IN DISBELIEF

THAT A FRIEND...

YOU WOULDN'T THINK
YOUR BEST FRIEND

WOULD KILL YOU
OVER A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.

BUT I KNEW IT WAS HIM,
AND I'M GLAD HE'S LOCKED UP.

HE SHOULD NEVER BE ABLE
TO GET OUT.

NEVER.

WHY SHOULD HE HAVE A LIFE?

THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

NO CHARGES WERE
BROUGHT AGAINST ANY WITNESSES

IN RELATION TO THE DIFFERENT
ACCOUNTS OF THE PARTY.

I STILL THINK ABOUT
MY DAD EVERY SINGLE DAY,

AND YOU KNOW,
I'M GETTING MARRIED NEXT MONTH.

MY DAD WON'T BE THERE.

I'LL HAVE KIDS,
AND HE WON'T BE THERE.

AND THESE ARE REALLY
HAPPY MOMENTS FOR ME,

AND I KNOW HE WOULD
BE HAPPY TOO,

AND HE WOULDN'T WANT ME
TO BE SAD,

BUT THERE'S STILL ALWAYS
A PART OF ME THAT WILL BE SAD.

I STILL FEEL LIKE HE'S WITH ME.

YOU KNOW, HE'S GONE,

BUT HE'S STILL HERE WITH US,
AT POINTS, TO ME.

I STILL FEEL LIKE HE'S HERE
WITH ME

AND WATCHING OVER ME
AND MY FAMILY.