Simon Reeve's South America (2022-…): Season 1, Episode 4 - Bolivia to Paraguay - full transcript

Salt flats of Bolivia, Pantanal wetlands, and forested heart of Paraguay.

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I'm on a huge journey.

I'm travelling the length
of the Americas,

the two continents that together

form more than a quarter of Earth's
land surface.

VOICEOVER: On this adventure,

I'm travelling down through
South America.

We're in such a remote part
of planet Earth.

It's a journey of more than
4,000 miles

through some of the world's
greatest landscapes...

..encountering spectacular wildlife.

The cat is on the move.



From its iconic cities to
the Andes Mountains,

it's a continent of dramatic
extremes.

Down!

LOUD BANGS

Along the way, I meet
the inspiring...

Yolanda!

..and the surprising people...

These guys are Mennonites.

..who make South America
so extraordinary.

There's Wi-Fi here.

Nowhere else for miles
around, apparently.

We do our own thing.

We're happy here, man.

SIMON GASPS



Flippin' heck!

I feel like I'm hallucinating.

It's like the largest,

most perfect ice skating rink
you can possibly imagine.

This is the Salar de Uyuni -

4,000 square miles of salt flats.

I was in Southern Bolivia,

starting this leg of my South
American journey

in one of the most remarkable
landscapes on Earth.

It's the rainy season at the moment,

but when it's dry, these salt flats
are so white

and so huge it's said you can see
them from the moon.

Here in the tropics, the rainy
season is roughly

November to April.

There's just a few inches
of salty water,

but that creates what looks like
a vast mirror.

This salty wilderness is one of the
harshest environments imaginable,

hostile to almost all forms of life,

yet I've been told even here
there are people

who have found a way to make
a living.

That has to be them.

We're heading towards where we think

some of the last remaining
traditional salt miners

might be working.

You can see for miles in
every direction.

They're the only people working
out here, that's for sure.

Como estas? Eric?

Si. Como estas?

Oh! Como estas?

It looks like you've got
the whole...

You've got the whole
family working.

Eric's family have been
mining salt here

for three generations.

Si.

Si.

Ooh!

That's an epic bit of work,
isn't it?

Look at that blade!

This is a proper...

Right.

It's got a good weight to it,
hasn't it?

And, Eric, what are they used for?
As a table salt or what?

And how many will you mine
or harvest in a day, then?

Is it a good business?

Do you make a decent income
from this?

So more than £100 a day,

but that's to provide
for the entire family.

And it looks like bloody hard work.

See, he's just tied the wires
together.

It's lunch break.

There's nowhere else quite like this
on planet Earth.

In places, the salty crust beneath
us is ten metres deep.

It's thought there are 10 billion
tonnes of sodium chloride here.

That's a lot of fish and chips!

Eric said he was taking us
for lunch

at a monument he and his family
have built.

It's a tower of blocks which
they rather poetically call

the stairway to heaven.

The stairs gift an amazing view
of the salt flats,

but it's not just salt around us.

There's something much more valuable
beneath the surface.

Dissolved in salty water deep
beneath the lake crust,

mining companies have
discovered the presence

of one of the most sought-after
substances on Earth -

the lightweight metal lithium.

Lithium is the single most
crucial element

in current rechargeable batteries,

for everything from smartphones
to electric cars.

Do you think lithium could make
Bolivia rich?

This could be one of the world's
largest lithium reserves,

and lithium batteries, especially in
electric cars,

are currently one of our best hopes
for replacing fossil fuels

and tackling climate change.

But pumping out lithium involves
an industrial process,

with concerns about the
environmental impact.

Usually, I'm quite nervous about
drilling and mining, of course,

but in this situation,

I really don't think we've got
any choice.

The world needs lithium if
we are to transition

to a new era of cleaner,
greener transport.

There's been a lot of talk here
about Bolivia

becoming a green energy superpower
off the back of its lithium,

and the former president here
said lithium will become

the new oil and Bolivia will become
the new Saudi Arabia.

But bureaucracy and a lack
of investment

means Bolivia hasn't got very far
with its hope

of becoming a lithium superpower

and using resources to lift its
people out of poverty.

Bolivia's still among the poorest
countries in South America.

It's a common story on the
continent.

South America's rammed with valuable
natural resources.

This is weird. It's like the exit
and entry ramp

for the salt flats.

The Spanish mined so much silver
in Bolivia,

it funded much of their empire.

Then so much tin was found here,
it was carted away in trains.

The real wealth has often been
creamed off

by the elite or goes abroad
and, of course,

as people chop, plant and dig great
swathes of the continent,

that ruins wild places.

I travelled east from Bolivia
into Brazil,

where huge areas of wilderness have
been turned over to farming.

Look, you can see, stretching
miles into the distance,

these enormous farms and fields.

When it comes to farming, Brazil is
a global superpower.

After China, India and
the United States,

it's the largest producer of food
in the world.

This is mega farming.

The proponents would say, of course,
it's what's needed to provide

for the billions of human beings
on this planet

and now, at a time when global food
supplies are not just stretched,

but at breaking point,

food from here, from this part,
from this area of Brazil

is going to be more needed than
ever.

It is astonishing what's
happened here.

How the landscape has been
utterly transformed.

How the forest and the savannah
has been ripped and torn up.

This is the Brazilian state
of Mato Grosso,

now Brazil's leading producer
of soy beans,

corn, cotton and cattle.

We flew on to a very
different world,

a massive inland river delta

which forms one the greatest areas
of wilderness on Earth.

So, we're arriving now into the
second incredible landscape

and ecosystem that we're visiting
on this part of my journey

down through South America.

This is the largest tropical wetland
on planet Earth.

This is the Pantanal.

Like so much in Brazil,

the Pantanal is on a massive scale.

It's bigger than England.

An endless maze of rivers,
lakes and swamps

teeming with unique wildlife.

This is an absolute highlight

of my journey down through
South America.

So often...

Just checking we've got
enough runway.

It's so often overshadowed by
the Amazon rainforest

just to the north, but the Pantanal
actually, quietly boasts

the highest concentration of
wildlife on this continent.

I'm smiling because we're
somewhere spectacular

and we've landed safely.

That's all the runway we had left.

Ha!

Oh!

I met up with conservationist
Colonel Angelo Rabelo.

Coronel, very nice to meet you!

Oh, nice to meet you.

Welcome to Acurizal Farm.

Colonel Rabelo is
a conservation hero

who spent 40 years battling
to protect the Pantanal.

He first came here as a soldier
in the 1980s

and bravely fought against poachers
and wildlife traffickers.

It was dangerous and deadly work.

On one mission, two of his men
were killed.

He was shot in the shoulder and lost
full use of his right arm.

What a landscape this is!

An enormous stork the size of
a fighter jet

that's just taken off here.

And a caiman - like an allegator -
just down there.

This place is home to jaguars,

to the maned wolf, to the yellow
anaconda,

to bizarre anteaters,

to a snake that is so large
it feeds on deer.

Hyacinth macaws!

These are incredibly rare.

All this astonishing life
in the Pantanal,

and the ecosystem itself,

relies on predicable
seasonal change.

So, in the rainy season,
water should pour down

from the north and east.

Rivers burst their banks,
creating huge swamps

with hilly islands left poking
above the water.

Then, in the winter dry season,
waters need to recede

so whole areas can dry out.

Plants and animals base their
breeding and feeding cycles

on this endless rhythm of life.

For those who've never really
heard of the Pantanal,

how would you describe it?

As I'd already seen, the enormous
area surrounding the Pantanal,

which used to be
forest and savannah,

has been replaced by
industrial farming.

Scientists believe this
profound landscape change

has had a powerful impact on
the climate of the Pantanal,

possibly the continent,

and the result here, even in this
water world,

is drier, more unpredictable weather

creating drought and fearsome,
more frequent fires.

Oh, my! So, what happened here,
Colonel?

In one fire season recently,

a third of the Pantanal's
vegetation was destroyed

and more than 17 million animals
are thought to have perished.

Normally, the whole mosaic
of the Pantanal,

the interconnecting waterways,

would act as natural moats

containing fires and preventing them
from doing too much damage.

Greenery and small bushes
have quickly regrown,

but the trees, rich biodiversity,
wildlife has gone.

If the droughts and fires keep
coming,

great areas of the Pantanal could be
lost forever.

What did it tell you?

Oh, thank you.

The Pantanal isn't empty of people.

For centuries, there have been
relatively sustainable

family ranches here.

Their cattle graze on fertile grass
on slightly higher ground

set among the patchwork of water.

Those farmers also rely on
the predictable cycle

of the seasons in the Pantanal,

but now, they're not only facing
droughts and fire but -

the irony - some areas of
this huge wetland

are being ruined by too much water,
by devastating flooding.

Colonel, so I gather this isn't
actually the natural wetland?

What's happened here?

One of the main sources of
water for the Pantanal

is the mighty Taquari River.

Over decades, the Brazilian
Government encouraged

intensive farming further up
the Taquari.

Farmers cleared vast areas
of forest.

That caused massive soil erosion.

So much silt clogged the river,
eventually it changed course

and permanently flooded an area
of the Pantanal

double the size of Norfolk.

This has transformed this landscape

and people who farm here, have
farmed here for generations,

many of them have been forced out.

In fading light, we searched for
a patch of dry land

where one determined farming couple
have stayed on.

I think we're just about
to hit land.

RATTLING
At that moment!

I can see there's a couple of faint
lights over there,

across goodness knows what,

but I'm going to head there and
hope that's where we're staying.

OX BELLOWS
Oh, my goodness! Look at this!

Rivaldo! Oi!

Rivaldo!
LAUGHTER

So, Rivaldo has come with
an oxcart.

Come, Simon.
What am I going to grab?

My host was Rivaldo,

an old-school, traditional
Pantanal farmer.

THEY CHATTER

This is bonkers, isn't it?
SIMON LAUGHS

I've no idea, really, where we are,

but hopefully there'll be some food
and a good night's sleep,

and then a little bit more
clarity in the morning.

Right, night-night for now.

Where is he taking us?

I've had a quick look around.

We're on a farm that's an island!

Rivaldo has lived here his
whole life.

His father and grandfather farmed
this land before him,

then suddenly the Taquari River
changed course.

This was all flooded?

Most of Rivaldo's neighbours
abandoned their homes

and their livelihoods -
but not Rivaldo.

He came up with an incredible plan.

OK. OK.

Yes. Nicely in.

With no farm machinery to help him,

Rivaldo filled up thousands of sacks
with earth and rubble.

Oh, yeah, you can see some of
the dam over there!

Look, white bags!

For years, he kept piling them up,

eventually building more than
50 makeshift dams

to hold back the invading waters.

It was back-breaking work.

What did people say when you
started building these dams?

Before the flood, Rivaldo's family
farmed 17,000 acres of pasture.

They were wealthy.

They even had a landing strip
and a small plane.

With physical graft and
his system of dams,

Rivaldo's clawed back 700 acres -

space for enough sheep to
provide a modest living

for him and his wife, Denise.

But it almost killed him.

A few years ago, Rivaldo was struck
down with a heart condition.

Oh!

Do we think that Rivaldo's heart

maybe was rather broken
by the floods?

Oh, Denise, I'm sorry!

We've made you cry.

Clearly, what you two have that has
kept you going is each other.

So, the tractor here is taking us
back to...

I was going to say the river,
but it's more like the sea.

At the start of my little time
with them,

I felt almost a bit sad
for their situation,

but their love is so strong

and they're in such a staggeringly
beautiful part of the planet.

I think most people would be
a bit envious, eh?

Rivaldo, Denise, farewell!

The fires, floods and droughts
tearing through the Pantanal

are an existential threat
to the wildlife here.

Almost 5,000 species of plants
and animals

make this place their home.

Even though it's a
Unesco World Heritage Site,

less than 5% of the Pantanal
is actually made up

of protected national parks.

So conservationists are finding new
ways to preserve biodiversity

and protect some of the most
iconic creatures on the planet.

So, I've come to see another group
of heroes, really,

who are fighting to protect
the Pantanal.

This is none too shabby.

My goodness.

And THAT is what I'm really
hoping to see.

Only one of the so-called big five
cats are found in South America.

It's the jaguar.

It's arguably the most iconic
animal on the Continent

and one of my top bucket-list
creatures to see,

but it's shy and often hard to spot,
let alone film.

I knew I wouldn't be lucky enough
to see any,

but I went out with
Beatriz Lopes Monteiro,

a biologist with Oncafari,

a conservation group working
in Brazil

to preserve critical ecosystems.

Here, they operate on a huge
cattle ranch,

helping to protect a healthy
population

of elusive jaguars.

OK, so now we're really looking
for him.

WHISPERS: That is absolutely
astonishing.

Oh, my God! It's stunning!

I didn't expect that we would
drive just a short distance

and suddenly there'd be a whopping
great jaguar lying on the road.

I mean, it's staggering.

He looks quite playful.

Yeah, he's in a young age.

Almost two years.

And he's this young male that
is discovering this land

and discovering partners,

discovering the other jaguars
that are around.

Has he found a partner?

Do we have some good gossip
about him?

Yes, definitely.

We already seen him
with another female.

This is a huge area inside of, er,
this farm.

It has 53,000 hectares

and it has a lot of reserved areas.

And also, the farms around here
don't hunt

these animals any more. Mm.

Because we see that eco-tourism is
something that is very important

to develop economically, and...

Make money? Make money out of it.

Yeah.

The concept of eco-tourism,

the idea of the safari,

is definitely increasing in
popularity in South America

because people are able to make
a good income

and economy from it.

Anyway, the cat is on the move!

Do you think we can go closer?

BEATRIZ SPEAKS TO DRIVER

DRIVER COUGHS

ENGINE STARTS

Shipa always coughs before he
moves the vehicle.

Yes, this is key for
the eco-tourism

of the nature observation to happen,
is the habituation of these animals.

Showing them that the presence
of the car,

the sounds of the cameras,
the radio,

it doesn't mean anything.

So this is something that is
important for them

to get to know us and to know that
we are not threatening them at all.

Getting jaguars used to the presence
of people

makes it more possible to go on a
proper safari here.

If tourists pay to stay here -
ideally in eco-lodges -

some of the profits can be ploughed
back into conservation.

Tourism also means jobs
for local people.

Farmers who used to shoot jaguars
for eating their livestock

now leave them alone because of the
economic benefits they bring.

Rather than tourism just damaging,
it can help to protect.

WHISPERS: There's a mother and cub!

This is astonishing!

As life experiences go,
this is very special.

Oh, my God!

Shipa will take the car over there.
OK.

To have a better sight, right? OK.

Yes. No problem.
DRIVER COUGHS

This is an incredible new
experience to be part of.

I think also incredible even
for you, no?

Yes, definitely! Definitely!

To see her with the cub,

it's something that
is amazing for us.

And they really hope here that
this model of eco-tourism

is something that can be exported
elsewhere in the Pantanal

and maybe to other wild areas
of Brazil.

She's now just, what, 20 metres
in front of our vehicle.

It was completely thrilling to see
this apex predator -

and the next generation -
up close in the Pantanal.

This extraordinary water wilderness

is one of the true treasures
of South America,

but even as I was leaving it,
I was reminded that it's fragile.

Fire!

There's a fire by the side
of the road, look!

Oh, man, the burning bush.

Can we stop? Stop, stop, stop.

There's nothing we can do
about this.

I mean, this is even burning

the grass that's on stony
ground here.

And then there's a risk that it's
going to go into the canopy.

This is how an inferno can begin.

All it takes is a spark

from a passing truck or
a tossed cigarette.

That's impossible.

I hate this. I feel powerless.

I'm leaving the Pantanal now.

I don't want to sugar-coat this.

It is facing multiple threats
from climate change,

from industrial farming,

from deforestation and from fire.

I travelled south towards
the next stop

on this leg of my journey through
South America - Paraguay.

I've crossed the border into
Paraguay

and we're heading now to a remote
little town called Nueva Durango.

Paraguay is one of the least-visited
countries on the continent.

Landlocked, forested and actually
a bit mysterious,

it's been described as a tough place
to live and survive.

And it's one of the poorest
countries in South America.

Over the centuries, many
Paraguayans have left

to find work abroad.

In response, governments here
encouraged outsiders

to come and settle.

One group in particular came here

and they've had a really profound
impact on the land.

So, I think we're coming
to the supermarket.

Flippin' heck!

Well, this isn't a normal
supermarket car park.

So, these guys are Mennonites.

They've basically found...

They've found wilderness here -
and they transformed it.

Come on now, that is surely the
first time I have seen

a cement mixer in the back of
a horse and cart.

One of the elders of the community,

Isaac Wall Hildebrandt -
on the right here -

was taking me off to school.

Mennonites are a Christian sect that
originated in Europe in the 1600s,

but now has more than 200 colonies
in Latin America.

They believe fervently
in nonviolence,

reject many trappings of
the modern world

and some still speak a form
of old German.

The Mennonites here originally fled
persecution in Germany and Russia.

They initially found sanctuary
in Canada,

but then came to this remote corner
of South America.

Isolation and austerity was what
they were looking for.

What is the name of your horse,
Isaac?

Pete? Si.

Pete as in the name?

Why do you use these carts
and the horses?

I'm sure you could afford
a four-wheel drive.

The practical way you live,
the way you dress,

your use of the horse and cart

is very different to other
Christians, isn't it?

Oh, I think we're arriving at
the school.

School is where the Mennonites pass
on their distinctive culture

to their kids...

Oh, my.

..under a watchful eye.

As I understand it, they were
a community,

many of them were originally
in Canada.

And they left Canada because, er,

they were being forced to adopt

a national education
curriculum there.

And they wanted the freedom
to be able

to educate their children
the way they wanted,

which is why they came here
to Paraguay.

What is the lesson?

What are they being taught?

That is exceptional.

I mean, their handwriting is
astonishing for their age.

And do boys and girls both
learn Spanish?

Confirming whether the women
in the community

would all agree
they're happy at home

proved a little tricky.

HE SPEAKS GERMAN

It's something unlike anything
I've seen...anywhere in the world.

Not talking amongst each other.
Very regimented.

They're all lined up, actually,
in height-descending order.

Look.

CHILDREN READ ALOUD

So, do they learn...?

Well, I'm presuming they learn what
you would consider...?

They have an education appropriate
for the community?

You're not teaching them about
the big wide world, I imagine.

What is the reason for not teaching
them about computer studies

or geography?

So, what do you want
these children to become?

What is the aim of their education?

I do fear that part of the reason

the Mennonites quite like
their isolation

is because here they're very
unlikely

to get school inspectors coming
round to check

that the children are being prepared
for anything approaching

a modern world.

There are only 40,000 Mennonites
in Paraguay,

in a nation of 7 million people.

But they control hundreds
of thousands of hectares.

They've had an extraordinary impact
on this country

and on another of South America's
great wilderness areas.

I'm now arriving into the
third great eco-region

that I've visited on this leg of my
journey down through South America.

This is the Chaco.

After the Amazon, the Chaco is
the largest forest

in South America.

It's twice the size of Spain

and covers almost half of Paraguay,

as well as parts of Bolivia,
Brazil and Argentina.

The Chaco is a dry forest.

The plants and trees here
are adapted

to the blistering heat
and shortage of water.

I've walked just a little way
into the Chaco,

just to try and get a sense
of this forest.

It is stunning and it is sharp.

Razor-sharp.

The dense vegetation, covered
in spines,

spikes and thorns,

make the forest of the Chaco
pretty impenetrable.

There are still thousands
of square miles here

where few humans have ever set foot.

Oh, my goodness.

When settlers first came here,

they described the Chaco
as a green hell.

And certainly, still today,
it is just full of things

that spike you and grab you and
nibble you and bite you.

It's so dense and thick.

There could be a jaguar just over
there and I wouldn't see it.

But it is full of
incredible biodiversity.

Over the centuries, most
European settlers left

the rugged and hostile Chaco
well alone,

but the Mennonites?

Well, they're made of tougher stuff.

You drive for hours on dusty tracks

and then to suddenly appear here,

it just feels a little bit surreal.

It's a very ordered,
well-kept community.

I'd arrived in the remote town
of Filadelfia.

It's home to one of the largest
communities of Mennonites

in Paraguay, and it's a bit
of a boom town.

This is one of the poorer countries
of the Americas,

but, with sweat and toil,
the Mennonites have managed

to carve out a prosperous little
life for themselves.

And full credit to them.

The Mennonites here still hold on
to many of the old traditions,

but they've clearly embraced rather
more of the 21st century

than the ultra-conservatives
I've come from.

It's bizarre. Look, there's a
Chevrolet showroom here.

The Mennonites have cleared vast
areas of dense Chaco forest

to build towns and huge
cattle ranches.

The Mennonites are staggeringly good
at farming in this isolation

and, with massive demand for
food from China and the West,

business has boomed.

The Chortitzer Agricultural
Cooperative exports milk,

beef and leather around the planet.

So, we're just going straight
over there.

That's where the animals come in.

OK, we will follow you. Yeah.

Patrick Friesen's great-grandparents
were among the earliest Mennonites

to farm cattle in the Chaco.

He studied in Canada for two years.

The cattle that you'll see here,

it's more of the Indian breed,
the Brahman,

the zebu as we call them. The zebu?

Yeah, exactly.

This area, what the idea behind
this area is,

it's to cool down the animal.

The animals come from natural
pastures around here.

These are probably
one-and-a-half years old.

Where is meat from here going?

About 60-65%, er, is exported.

Mainly... Well, different markets.

Germany, for example,
or to Switzerland.

African markets as well
or Lebanon, for example.

Those are countries where we
export to.

You are so connected with
globalisation

and the international market,
I'm presuming?

Ironically, we settled down as
migrants from Canada,

we looked for isolation.

We looked to not be in touch
with the outside world.

And, ironically, we could see
within two or three decades

that we wouldn't be able
to survive that, probably.

We like to expand.

We process about 900-1,200
cattle a day.

Per year, it's about 180,000.

What's the next stage, Patrick?

The next stage will be where cattle
goes in.

That's where it's, er...
It's killed.

You can see in here,
they're still working.

There's cow after cow going past.
Cow after cow.

Carcass after carcass.

It's an astonishing sight.

So, you'll have somebody here who's,
what, dispatching up to 1,000 a day?

Yeah.

As a carnivore, I have to accept
this is where my food comes from.

Yeah, exactly. This is a gruesome
aspect of human existence really,

isn't it?

How many skins are likely to be
in there, do you think?

600. 600?

Yeah. And these are the seats
in your car.

This is your steering wheel.

This is maybe your shoes.

Land Rover has bought from us.

We have Ferrari that have bought
from us.

It's extraordinary to see
industrial agriculture, isn't it?

What would your great-grandparents,

your grandparents have made of this?

First of all, they would have never
have believed this - the scale.

Er, second,

they wouldn't have a problem
with this either

because they did the same thing,
only not on this scale.

The success of Mennonite businesses
has turbo-charged

the agriculture industry of this
remote landlocked country.

Paraguay is now a major player
in the global food market,

exporting millions of tonnes
of soy beans

and as much beef as the entire
European Union.

That provides jobs and economic
growth is crucial for a poor nation,

and we do need to feed the
8 billion people on the planet,

but not everyone or everywhere
is a winner.

Can we stop?

OK, thank you, mate.

In the last decade, the
Paraguayan Chaco has lost

more than 6 million acres
of native vegetation -

and most of that's for
cattle grazing.

Acres and acres of farmland.

And this used to be the Chaco.

The Chaco is said to have one of
the fastest rates

of deforestation anywhere
in the world.

By one account,

up to seven trees are being lost
in the Chaco every second.

Throughout my long journey down
through the Americas,

I'd learnt that it isn't just the
wildlife that suffers

when ancient forests and
ecosystems are destroyed.

It's not even just the global
climate that's at stake.

The indigenous people of the
Americas are often swept aside.

This is the indigenous
community of Chaidi,

home to the Ayoreo people.

Mucho gracias. Mucho gusto.

Welcome. Gracias.

Taguide Picanerai is
the chief's son.

He grew up in Chaidi.

His grandparents' generation lived
as nomadic hunter-gatherers

in the forest that used to
cover this wider area.

RATTLING

MAN SINGS

So, the shaman who's singing
is the grandfather,

and father of the chief.

There's definitely an exceptionally
strong sense of community

amongst the people here,

but there is definitely poverty
and there is trauma here as well.

Many Ayoreo first came into contact
with the outside world

in the 1940s and '50s, when
Mennonite farmers arrived

and established their first
ranches here.

Then, in the 1980s, fundamentalist
American missionaries

came and violently dragged many more
Ayoreo people out of the forest.

The ongoing destruction of the Chaco

has forced more and more
of them out.

Some here have only left
the forest recently.

Much of the Ayoreo's land has
been lost or taken.

Many of the villagers now find
labouring work

on the surrounding cattle ranches.

But Taguide and some of the other
villagers are determined

to protect what's left
of their forest.

They mount armed patrols to try
and stop outsiders from cutting

and chopping the forest or seizing
their remaining land.

What do you mean, the people who
are inside the forest?

So do you have relatives, then,
who are living that life,

almost as hunter-gatherers?

Taguide has never met
some of his relatives

who live in the forest,
but he knows they're there.

Occasionally he comes
across evidence

of where they've been living.

He took me deep into the Chaco.

It is astonishing to think that you
have relatives still living

such an isolated life in the Chaco.

From the time the first Europeans
came to the Americas,

the indigenous people
have suffered -

slavery, disease, exploitation.

In many areas, they've never been
fully integrated

into the nations that govern them.

And here in the Chaco, a few have
said that enough is enough.

They've decided a
traditional lifestyle

with all its hardships
and difficulties

is better than what's on offer
from the modern world.

The Ayoreo - they're not, as some
would call them, uncontacted.

They've experienced almost
always the modern world.

They've seen it. They've heard it.

They've witnessed or felt
its destructive force

as its bulldozers have
levelled their forest

and their home.

And they have said,
"No, that's not what we want."

And they have retreated further
into the wilderness

to find a sanctuary.

I find it astonishing,
beautiful and moving

that in the 21st century there
are still people living

an isolated hunter-gatherer
existence out there

in the endless Chaco.

Next time...

Oh, it's epic!

..from the sands of the Atacama
to snow-capped peaks in Patagonia,

it's the final leg of my
journey down the Americas.

This ferry is going to take me
to the end of the world -

el fin del mundo.