Serial Killer: Devil Unchained (2019): Season 1, Episode 3 - Lost in the Woods - full transcript

THIS MAN, TODD KOHLHEPP,
IS A RAPIST AND A SERIAL KILLER.

HE'S KILLED SEVEN PEOPLE
THAT WE KNOW OF.

- WHAT WAS THAT LIKE FOR YOU?
- MECHANICAL.

WHEN KALA BROWN IS RELEASED
FROM A SHIPPING CONTAINER,

THE WORLD FINDS OUT
ABOUT HIS MURDEROUS PAST.

WE'RE GONNA GET YOU
OUT OF THERE, OKAY?

HE'D BRING KALA IN HERE.

AND THIS IS WHERE
HE COULD CHAIN HER.

MY NAME IS MARIA AWES.

I'M A FILMMAKER
AND INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST.

EVERYONE WONDERS IF THERE
ARE MORE VICTIMS OUT THERE.



HE TELLS ME THERE ARE.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT
IT'S MORE THAN SEVEN?

SO I START A DARK JOURNEY THAT I
HOPE WILL LEAD ME TO THE TRUTH.

THIS JUST MAKES ME SICK
TO MY STOMACH.

I GOT TO GET OUT OF HERE.

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DEVIL UNCHAINED"...

SPARTANBURG COUNTY SHERIFF
CHUCK WRIGHT AGREES TO DO

A LONG-AWAITED INTERVIEW WITH ME

ABOUT LOCAL SERIAL KILLER
TODD KOHLHEPP,

WHOSE CRIMES WERE REVEALED
UPON ONE VICTIM'S RESCUE.

SHERIFF'S OFFICE!

WHEN KALA BROWN IS RESCUED
FROM THE SHIPPING CONTAINER,

SHE TELLS POLICE THAT
TODD SHOT HER BOYFRIEND



CHARLIE CARVER TO DEATH AND ALSO
KILLED MANY MORE PEOPLE.

NOT ONLY THAT, SHE SAYS
HE'D WANTED TO TRAIN HER

AS HIS ACCOMPLICE TO GET
HIS KILL NUMBERS EVEN HIGHER.

IT'S POSSIBLE KALA BROWN
WASN'T THE FIRST PERSON

TODD KOHLHEPP WANTED TO USE
AS AN ACCOMPLICE.

CHARLIE CARVER'S FAMILY WONDERS
IF NIKKI,

CHARLIE'S ESTRANGED WIFE,
PLAYED A ROLE IN HIS DEATH.

IS SHE ONE OF THE ACCOMPLICES

TODD ALLUDES TO IN ONE
OF OUR FIRST PHONE CALLS?

LIKE SO MANY STRANGE
LEADS IN THIS CASE,

IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH
LOOKING INTO.

CHARLIE CARVER'S FAMILY KNOWS

THAT AFTER CHARLIE AND KALA
WENT MISSING,

NIKKI IS SPOTTED TAKING HIS
LAPTOP OUT OF HIS APARTMENT.

THEN MYSTERIOUS FACEBOOK POSTS
BEGIN POPPING UP ON HER PAGE

AND CHARLIE'S, INCLUDING ONE
THAT IS PARTICULARLY CHILLING.

IT WAS BASICALLY
"REST IN PEACE,"

OR SOMETHING ABOUT
"SHE'S A WIDOW NOW."

AND THAT WAS ON AUGUST THE 31st,

WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE DAY
THAT HE WAS KILLED.

HOW WOULD SHE KNOW THAT?

SEEMS JUST A LITTLE BIT
TOO COINCIDENTAL.

IT WAS ORIGINATED AS COMING
FROM NIKKI'S ADDRESS.

I ASKED TODD ABOUT NIKKI,
AND IN A LETTER, HE SAYS NIKKI

"WASN'T INVOLVED
IN ANY WAY ON MY END,

BUT SHE SURE DID
SOME OF THE WILDEST

AND UTTERLY STUPID ACTIONS
TO MAKE IT SEEM SHE WAS.

I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT DROVE HER
TO HER ACTIONS."

I TRY TO ASK NIKKI DIRECTLY
ABOUT HER POSTS,

BUT SHE DECLINES MY REQUEST
FOR AN INTERVIEW.

TODAY, THERE'S NO QUESTION
SHE COMPLICATED THE CASE.

SHE WAS TELLING THE DETECTIVES
THAT THEY WERE AT THE BEACH,

AND NONE OF THAT WAS TRUE.

NIKKI CARVER ISN'T CHARGED
WITH ANYTHING IN CONNECTION

WITH CHARLIE'S MURDER,

BUT IT IS DISCOVERED THAT
SHE CALLS CHARLIE'S

CELLPHONE PROVIDER TO ASK FOR
HIS RECORDS AFTER

HE GOES MISSING,
POSING AS A DETECTIVE.

FOR THIS, SHE'S CHARGED
WITH IMPERSONATING AN OFFICER,

FOUND GUILTY,
AND IS ORDERED TO PAY $2,000

IN RESTITUTION IN 2018.

SHE'S ALSO PLACED ON PROBATION.

THE SENTENCE COMES ALMOST
TWO YEARS AFTER CHARLIE'S FAMILY

GETS THE NEWS ABOUT KALA'S
RESCUE AND THEIR SON'S MURDER.

HE'D BEEN MISSING 65 DAYS.

65 LONG DAYS.

I GOT A CALL FROM
THE ANDERSON CITY

POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND HE SAID,
"WE FOUND KALA."

HE SAID THAT THEY FOUND HER
AND SHE WAS ALIVE.

AND I SAID, "PRAISE THE LORD."

'CAUSE AT THAT POINT...

...I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO FIND
MY SON THE SAME WAY.

THEY TOOK US TO CITY HALL,

AND WE SAT THERE
AND WE WAITED AND WE WAITED.

THEY KEPT TRYING TO PREPARE US.

AND I DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR IT.

AT THE TIME,
INVESTIGATORS ARE SEARCHING

TODD'S WOODED LAND FOR VICTIMS.

EVENTUALLY, SOMEONE
FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE

LEADS CHARLIE'S PARENTS
TO THE PROPERTY,

WHERE THEY WAIT FOR NEWS
ON THE FATE OF THEIR SON.

WE STAYED UNTIL WAY PAST DARK
EVERY NIGHT.

THEY KEPT ASKING, YOU KNOW,
FOR IDENTIFYING FEATURES.

AND YOU KEEP THINKING BACK...

WHEN HE WAS LITTLE...
EVERY LITTLE SCAR,

EVERY LITTLE BIKE WRECK.

THEN THEY WOULD LEAVE US
AND GO BACK ON TO THE PROPERTY,

AND WE WOULD JUST BE
STANDING THERE, YOU KNOW,

JUST WAITING FOR THE NEXT
TINY PIECE OF NEWS.

IN FACT, NEWS WOULDN'T
COME FOR TWO DAYS,

AND IT CERTAINLY ISN'T THE NEWS
CHARLIE'S FAMILY WANTS TO HEAR.

AND THEN, ON THE FIFTH
OF NOVEMBER, IT WAS DARK...

IT WAS REALLY COLD.

AND THEY ALL CAME OUT.

IT WAS CHUCK WRIGHT AND THE
CORONER AND THE CHAPLAINS.

THEY GOT US ALL IN A CIRCLE.

AND THEY TOLD US.

AND I REMEMBER JUST FEELING
LIKE PART OF ME JUST FELL AWAY.

BUT THE ONLY THING THAT I WANTED
TO DO WAS TO THANK GOD

THAT THEY HAD FOUND HIM,
THAT HE WASN'T LOST ANYMORE.

CHARLIE CARVER'S BODY IS
RECOVERED IN A REMOTE LOCATION

ON TODD'S 95 WOODED ACRES,

FAR FROM THE SHIPPING CONTAINER
WHERE KALA BROWN WAS HELD,

CLOSER TO HIS SHOOTING TARGETS.

NEXT TO HIM,
AUTHORITIES FIND EVIDENCE

THAT TODD IS PREPARED
TO KILL AGAIN

IN THE FORM
OF A FRESHLY-DUG GRAVE,

WHICH THEY ASK HIM ABOUT.

AFTER AUTHORITIES FIND CHARLIE
AND THE EMPTY GRAVE,

THEY HAVE TROUBLE FINDING JOHNNY
AND MEAGAN COXIE'S BODIES,

WHO THEY NOW KNOW
ARE AMONG TODD'S VICTIMS.

WITH TODD'S HELP,
JOHNNY AND MEAGAN COXIE

ARE FOUND BURIED
NEXT TO EACH OTHER,

JUST A SHORT DISTANCE FROM THE
FRONT OF THE SHIPPING CONTAINER

WHERE KALA IS FOUND ALIVE.

WHEN ALL THREE BODIES
ARE EXHUMED,

AUTHORITIES FIND THEMSELVES
FACING ANOTHER GRUESOME SURPRISE

IN A WEEK THAT
HAS ALREADY BEEN FULL OF THEM.

BOTH OF THEM,
THEIR FEET WERE GONE.

SHOES, FEET...

WERE COMPLETELY GONE.

WE ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT.

IT BECAME APPARENT REAL QUICK

THAT HE DID NOT LIKE
TALKING ABOUT THAT.

THEN TODD MAKES A STATEMENT

THAT SEEMS TO MAKE
NO SENSE AT ALL.

HE MADE A COMMENT THAT,

"MY MOTHER TOLD ME
NEVER TO PLAY WITH MY FOOD."

HEARING THAT THE VICTIM'S
FEET ARE MISSING IS HORRIFYING.

TO THINK THAT TODD COULD HAVE
ALSO DONE THIS

CONJURES UP IMAGES
OF JEFFREY DAHMER.

IT MAKES THINGS EVEN WORSE
FOR CHARLIE CARVER'S FAMILY.

WE FOUND OUT THROUGH
THE AUTOPSY REPORTS

THAT CHARLIE'S FEET
WERE MISSING.

AND THAT BOTHERED ME A LOT.

I READ IT, AND I READ IT.

AND SO I CALLED THE CORONER.

I TRIED TO PLAY
EVERY SCENARIO TO HIM.

I SAID, "WAS IT FROM AN ANIMAL?"

YOU KNOW, "WHAT WAS IT?"

HE SAID, "NO,
THERE'S NO TEETH MARKS."

I SAID, "WERE THEY CUT OFF?"

HE SAID, "THERE'S NO SAW MARKS."

HE SAID, "IT' LIKE WHEN YOU..."

HE SAID, "IF YOU TWIST YOUR ARM
AND SEE THE SKIN TURNING,

IF YOU LOOK HERE, YOU CAN SEE
WHERE THE SKIN WAS TURNING,

AND HE FEET JUST CAME OFF."

AND I WAS LIKE,
"HOW'S THAT POSSIBLE?"

SOMETIMES OFFENDERS, YOU KNOW,
KEEP SECRETS.

THEY WON'T ALWAYS TELL YOU
100% OF THE CRIME

THAT THEY'RE PERPETRATED.

THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS
THEY MAY NOT FEEL GOOD ABOUT.

IT'S KIND OF BIZARRE.
WHAT WOULD HE DO WITH THE FEET?

I MEAN, I'VE INTERVIEWED
FOOT-FETISH KILLERS.

JERRY BRUDOS,
WHO HAS A FOOT FETISH,

AND HE CUT THE FEET
OFF OF VICTIMS.

BUT THEN HE MADE MOLDS
OUT OF THEM.

I DON'T... HE'S NOT THAT KIND
OF A FETISH KIND OF GUY,

TODD KOHLHEPP.

THE ONLY THING TODD WOULD
COME BACK WITH IS,

"MY MOTHER ALWAYS TOLD ME
NEVER TO PLAY WITH MY FOOD."

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHO KNOWS?

YOU CAN ANALYZE...
IT'S LIKE, ANALYSIS PARALYSIS.

YOU CAN TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT,

AND THE ONLY PERSON THAT
WOULD KNOW WOULD BE HIM.

AND IT'S A QUESTION OF,
IS HE TELLING THE TRUTH TO US?

I ASK TODD ABOUT THE FEET,

AND HE RESPONDS TO ME IN
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LETTERS.

HE SAYS "I KILL.
I DON'T PLAY WITH BODIES.

THIS ISN'T 'CRIMINAL MINDS.'
NO TROPHIES.

ALL PARTS WERE ATTACHED
WHEN I PUT THEM IN THE GROUND.

AND I THINK THE BACKHOE
THEY DUG THEM UP WITH DID THAT.

I DIDN'T CAUSE IT."

EVEN IF YOU'RE USING A BACKHOE,
I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE ODDS

YOU'RE GONNA CUT THE SAME WAY
ON TWO SETS OF FEET?

I ASK SPARTANBURG COUNTY
CORONER RUSTY CLEVENGER

ABOUT THE BACKHOE THEORY.

WERE YOU THERE WHEN THE ACTUAL
BODIES WERE REMOVED?

YES.

COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED
WHEN THE BODIES

WERE BEING
REMOVED FROM THE GROUND?

THERE WERE NOTABLE DAMAGE
ON ONE OF THE BODIES,

BECAUSE THE BUCKET
GOT A LITTLE TOO CLOSE,

BUT IT WAS NOT
IN THE AREA OF THE FEET.

I HAD TEAMS OF FIVE-GALLON
BUCKETS AT A TIME SIFTING TO SEE

IF WE COULD FIND ANY ELEMENT
OF THE FEET, AND WE FOUND NONE.

AS AN INVESTIGATOR THAT HAS
DONE HOMICIDE INVESTIGATIONS,

THE FACT THAT TWO MALES
ARE ABSENT THEIR FEET

WHEN THE FEMALE STILL HAS HER
FEET WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE

THAT THERE'S SOMETHING
SUSPICIOUS THERE.

ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN...

IF TODD KOHLHEPP KNOWS
MORE ABOUT THE FEET,

HE HAS NO DESIRE TO TELL...

...EVEN DURING
THE INTERROGATIONS

WHERE HE CONFESSES
TO MURDERING SEVEN PEOPLE.

TODD GIVES US PERMISSION
TO VISIT HIS PROPERTY,

WHICH AT THIS POINT
HE STILL OWNS,

AND I DECIDE I WANT TO SEE SO I
CAN BETTER VISUALIZE HIS CRIMES.

GARY GARRETT, HIS BIOGRAPHER,
GOES WITH ME.

IT'S LIKE, TODD HAS
TRESPASSING SIGNS EVERYWHERE.

DID HE HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE

WITH PEOPLE COMING OUT HERE?

YEAH, HE SAID
HE HAS A LOT OF PROBLEMS

WITH HUNTERS MOSTLY.

IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE,
BUT BETWEEN THE THICK WOODS,

THE TEMPERATURE PUSHING 90,

AND THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT
HAPPENED HERE, IT'S OMINOUS.

IT'S THE MOST DIFFICULT
THING I'VE DONE

IN THIS ENTIRE
INVESTIGATION SO FAR...

TO BE WHERE PEOPLE SPENT
THEIR LAST MOMENTS.

BUT I WANT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND

HOW AND WHERE THE KILLINGS
AND KALA'S CAPTIVITY TOOK PLACE.

SO, WHEN YOU TALKED TO TODD,

HE TOLD YOU WHERE EVERYTHING
HAPPENED ON THE PROPERTY?

YEAH, HE TOLD ME WHERE
THE SHOOTINGS HAPPENED,

WHERE HE BURIED THE BODIES.

WHEN HE TALKS TO YOU ABOUT IT,
IS HE MATTER OF FACT?

IS HE REMORSEFUL?

HE'S MORE MATTER OF FACT.
I DON'T...

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT REMORSE.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE
NECESSARILY FEELS REMORSE.

AFTER A 20-MINUTE TREK

FROM THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY
PAST CRIME-SCENE TAPE

AND THE PLACE WHERE
CHARLIE CARVER WAS BURIED,

WE FINALLY GET TO TODD'S GARAGE.

BEING OUT HERE AND EVERYTHING
THAT HAPPENED HERE,

AND THEN, IT'S LIKE,
THERE'S A BARBECUE GRILL.

YOU KNOW, IS HE GRILLING?
IS HE HAVING A HAMBURGER?

LIKE, THERE'S JUST
SOMETHING SO WRONG.

THAT DOOR?
THE DOOR'S NOT OPEN, IS IT?

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK SO.

OH. IT IS OPEN.

I'M NOT PREPARED
FOR WHAT'S INSIDE.

TO LAND THE LAND
OF A SERIAL KILLER

THAT NATURE HAS NOW
SOMEWHAT RECLAIMED IS ONE THING,

BUT TO STEP INSIDE HIS PRIVATE
LAIR IS QUITE ANOTHER.

THIS IS ALL HIS STUFF.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING IN HERE.

YEP.

POSTERS ON THE WALL. THE TOOLS.

LOOK AT THIS.

THAT'S A CHRISTMAS COFFEE CUP.

DO YOU THINK THAT
THAT'S THERE SINCE...

THE DAY HE KILLED MEAGAN.

...THE DAY HE KILLED MEAGAN?

HE'S EVEN GOT... IT'S LIKE,
THE STOCKPILE OF STUFF.

I MEAN, ALL THIS...

IT LOOKS LIKE THEY CAME THROUGH
AND JUST LOOKED...

DUMPED IT....AND JUST DUMPED IT.

IT'S EVERYWHERE.

HE'D BRING KALA IN HERE.
AND THIS WAS THE BED.

HE HAD A U-BOLT THAT WENT
THROUGH THE WALL,

WHERE HE COULD CHAIN HER
WHEN SHE WAS HERE.

WHERE THAT HOLE IS.WHERE THAT HOLE IS.

TO BE CHAINED UP IN HERE

OR CHAINED UP
IN THAT SHIPPING CONTAINER?

I JUST CAN'T...
I JUST CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.

GOING THROUGH THE GARAGE,

THERE ARE THINGS THAT REMIND ME
OF EACH OF THE CRIMES

TODD COMMITTED... A MOTORCYCLE
MODEL FOR SUPERBIKE,

THE MATTRESS HE USED
IN KALA'S ASSAULT,

THE CHRISTMAS COFFEE CUP
FROM MEAGAN COXIE,

KILLED ON CHRISTMAS DAY,

DRAWERS FILLED
WITH WEAPONS MANUALS.

BUT IN THE END,
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY

WHETHER BEING INSIDE OR OUTSIDE
THE GARAGE IS MORE UNSETTLING.

THIS LEADS UP TO THE FRONT GATE,
AND ON THE WAY,

IT LEADS RIGHT AROUND
TO THE SHIPPING CONTAINER.

RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THE SHIPPING
CONTAINER WAS SITTING.

ON THESE BLOCKS.RIGHT BACK THERE?

YEP.SO, I KNOW HE BURIED

JOHNNY AND MEAGAN
NEAR THE SHIPPING CONTAINER.

DO YOU KNOW...
DID HE TELL YOU WHERE THAT WAS?

HE DID. HE SAID
IT WAS RIGHT ACROSS

FROM THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

SO, RIGHT OVER IN THIS AREA.

HE BURIED JOHNNY
RIGHT OVER IN HERE.

AND THEN, HE SAID MEAGAN WAS
ABOUT 20 FEET TO THE LEFT,

SO SHE WOULD HAVE
BEEN OVER IN THAT AREA.

SO THEIR GRAVE SITES THEN
WERE RIGHT OVER HERE

BY WHERE ALL THIS
CRIME-SCENE CAUTION TAPE IS.

THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH.

TODD TELLS ME THAT AFTER
HE KILLS MEAGAN,

HE THROWS THE HONEY BUNS
AND DR. PEPPER HE'D GOTTEN HER

AS A TREAT THAT DAY
INTO HER GRAVE,

THEN HE CLEANS UP
THE SHIPPING CONTAINER,

WHICH HE WILL USE AGAIN NINE
MONTHS LATER TO KEEP KALA BROWN.

WHEN IT COMES TO
SOME OF THE MURDERS,

TODD TELLS ME HE HAS REGRETS.

FOR OTHERS, NOT SO MUCH.

RIGHT.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT JOHNNY...

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
JOHNNY COXIE IN PARTICULAR

AND HIM PULLING A KNIFE ON YOU,
YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU GO SO FAR

SO SAY YOU FEEL LIKE
HE DESERVED TO DIE?

LOOKING BACK AT WHAT
YOU'VE DONE,

WHAT REGRETS, IF ANY,
DO YOU HAVE?

AND WHAT ABOUT BEVERLY GUY?

YOU'VE MENTIONED HER
TO ME BEFORE.

IT'S A STRANGE THING TO HEAR

HOW A SERIAL
KILLER VIEWS THINGS.

HOW HE DECIDES WHETHER
SOMEONE SHOULD LIVE OR DIE.

TOM CLARK, THE MAN
WHO INTERROGATED TODD,

BELIEVES PART OF HIS MOTIVATION

CAME DOWN
TO SOMETHING QUITE BASIC.

MY OPINION IS,
JOHNNY AND CHARLIE

WERE IN TODD'S WAY FROM HIM
GETTING THE WOMEN THE HE WANTED.

FROM HIM GETTING THE POSSESSIONS
THAT HE WANTED.

TODD SEEMS TO BE GETTING
MORE AND MORE CANDID,

TELLING ME ABOUT THE CRIMES
THE WORLD KNEW ABOUT,

AS IF WE'VE REACHED A STAGE
WHERE NOTHING IS OFF LIMITS.

IN OUR VERY FIRST PHONE CALL,
HE SAYS THERE ARE MORE VICTIMS,

BUT AS TIME GOES ON,
I WONDER IF IT'S TRUE.

IS HE EVER GOING TO COME CLEAN?

HE TELLS ME HE PARTICIPATED
IN A HUMAN HUNT CLUB IN 2005,

KILLING DRUG DEALERS
IN JUáREZ, MEXICO,

IN THE YEARS AFTER
THE SUPERBIKE MURDERS.

SOMETHING THE FBI
ACTIVELY INVESTIGATING.

BUT AS FOR MURDERS
BEFORE THE BIKE SHOP,

IT TURNS OUT
THERE'S ANOTHER HUNT CLUB

I SHOULD BE ASKING ABOUT.

THERE'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX
IN SPARTANBURG

ACTUALLY CALLED
THE HUNT CLUB APARTMENTS.

TODD IS LIVING THERE IN 2003,

WHEN SOMEONE FINDS OUT
HE'S A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER.

IT'S UPON HIS RETURN
FROM ARIZONA

WHERE HE SERVED A 15-YEAR
PRISON SENTENCE

FOR RAPING HIS TEENAGE NEIGHBOR.

DID SOMETHING HAPPEN AT THE
APARTMENT COMPLEX AFTER THIS?

CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THAT?

WHAT DID THEY...

AND THEY'RE NO LONGER WITH US.

WHEN TODD KOHLHEPP SAYS
TWO PEOPLE WHO HARASSED HIM

ARE NO LONGER WITH US, I BELIEVE
I KNOW WHAT HE MEANS...

HE KILLED THEM.

BUT HOW DO I KNOW THAT TODD
IS TELLING THE TRUTH?

I TRY TO PIN HIM DOWN
ABOUT THE DETAILS.

WHAT DID THEY LOOK LIKE?
DID YOU KNOW THEM, OR...?

AND WHAT HAPPENED?

TODD NEVER GIVES ME
THE MEN'S NAMES,

AND THEIR WALLETS
ARE NEVER FOUND

IN ANY SEARCH
OF TODD'S PROPERTIES.

STILL, SOME OF WHAT TODD ALLEGES
ENDS UP CHECKING OUT.

HE HAD BEEN HARASSED,

WHICH IS VERIFIED BY POLICE
REPORTS HE FILES AT THE TIME.

NOT ONLY THAT, TODD CLARK,
THE SAME MAN WHO INTERROGATED

TODD IN 2016 ABOUT SUPERBIKE,
THE COXIES,

AND CHARLIE CARVER,
HEARS AT THE TIME

THAT TODD IS BEING HARASSED FROM
THE APARTMENT COMPLEX'S MANAGER.

I WAS THE COURTESY OFFICER
FOR HUNT CLUB APARTMENT COMPLEX

AND FOUND OUT
THAT HE WAS LIVING THERE.

THE MANAGER AT THE APARTMENT
COMPLEX HAD MADE COMMENT TO ME

THAT HE WAS UPSET
AND HAD MADE COMMENTS TO HER

THAT HE WAS BEING HARASSED.

HE WANTED TO KNOW

HOW HE COULD BE TAKE OFF
OF THE SEX-OFFENDER REGISTRY.

DIDN'T GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL.

BUT HE WAS VERY UPSET.

FOR THE RECORD, FEW STATES
ALLOW SOMEONE TO BE REMOVED

FROM A SEX-OFFENDER LIST
ONCE THEY'RE ON IT.

TODD ENDS UP TELLING
HIS BIOGRAPHER GARY GARRETT

MUCH MORE ABOUT THE ALLEGED
MURDERS OF TWO VICTIMS

AT THE HUNT CLUB APARTMENTS,
WHICH HE THEN SHARES WITH ME.

TODD CONTENDS THAT THE TWO MEN
APPROACHED HIM FIRST.

SOMEWHERE
BETWEEN 10:30 AND 11:30,

THEY APPROACHED HIM
IN THE PARKING LOT.

THE CLOSET ONE TO HIM, HE SAID
THE GUY REACHED OUT HIS KNIFE,

HE SLASHED HIM
ON THE BACK SIDE OF HIS ARM,

STABBED HIM RIGHT UP IN THE LEG,

AND HE SAID THAT
HE HIT ARTERIES THERE,

AND THEN HE STABBED
A GUY IN THE CHEST.

ANOTHER GUY WAS BEHIND HIM.

HE SAID HE STABBED HIM
IN THE NECK.

HE RAN INTO HIS APARTMENT,
CARRIED PITCHERS OF WATER

AND DUMPING PITCHERS OF WATER
ON THE BLOOD IN THE PARKING LOT.

THEN TODD TELLS GARY
HOW DISPOSED OF THE BODIES.

TOOK THEM DOWN A FRONTAGE ROAD

WITH A ROAD AT THE END,
AND AT THE END THERE'S LIKE

A BIG SIGN ACROSS THE ROAD.

HE SAYS HE PULLED UP THERE

AND THEN DRUG THE BODIES
BACK BEHIND THERE.

HE DIDN'T GIVE, LIKE,
A SPECIFIC LOCATION,

BUT HE SAID
HE WENT DOWN INTERSTATE 26.

NEAR WHAT PART
OF THE INTERSTATE?

NEAR WHAT CITY
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

BEFORE COLUMBIA.

HE DID NOT THINK
THEY'D EVER BEEN FOUND.

IT'S VERY UNSETTLING
INFORMATION,

BUT I ALSO BELIEVE
IT'S IN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY

THAT TODD HAS DONE THIS.

I'M LEFT WITH TWO QUESTIONS.

FIRST, WAS ANYONE REPORTED
MISSING IN OR AROUND THE AREA

OF THE HUNT CLUB APARTMENTS
IN THE SUMMER OF 2003?

WE CHECKED WITH
THE CITY OF SPARTANBURG,

ALL OF THE COUNTIES
IN THE STATE, AND ON NamUs,

WHICH IS THE NATIONAL MISSING
AND UNIDENTIFIED PERSONS SYSTEM,

AND WE CAN'T FIND ANY MATCHING
MISSING-PERSONS REPORTS.

SECOND, WE ASK IF ANY
UNIDENTIFIED REMAINS

HAVE BEEN FOUND BURIED
NEAR EACH OTHER

THAT COULD MATCH UP
TO THESE TWO ALLEGED VICTIMS.

AND THE ANSWER IS NO.

SO, IF THIS IS A TRUE STORY,
IF WE ARE TO BELIEVE

TODD KOHLHEPP, THESE VICTIMS
HAVE YET TO BE FOUND.

ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN...

I FEEL LIKE MY TIMING
OF MY INTERVIEW

WITH THE SHERIFF
COULDN'T BE BETTER.

IT'S FINALLY MAY 8, 2018...
THE DATE OF THE INTERVIEW.

TODAY'S THE DAY THAT I'M GONNA
SIT DOWN WITH

SHERIFF CHUCK WRIGHT.

I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS
ABOUT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CASES

THAT ARE ALL WRAPPED UP
WITH TODD KOHLHEPP.

WE'LL SEE WHAT THE SHERIFF
HAS TO SAY.

IT DID TAKE ME ABOUT A YEAR

TO GET THIS INTERVIEW WITH YOU.

WAS THERE A HESITANCY
TO DO THIS?

WAS THERE A HESITANCY FOR ME
TO DO THIS INTERVIEW?

YES, THERE WAS.

THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE,
FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE CASE,

BASICALLY, THEY HAD
THEIR OWN THEORIES,

AND SOME OF THEM
DIDN'T TRY TO MAKE US LOOK LIKE

WE WERE TRYING REAL HARD.

IT WAS A LITTLE STRENUOUS TO
THINK ABOUT DOING ANOTHER

INTERVIEW BECAUSE OUR TEAM
DID THE BEST THAT WE COULD DO,

AND I JUST THOUGHT...

I SAID, "WELL, IF I WANT
THE TRUTH TO BE OUT THERE

MAYBE I'M THE ONE
THAT SHOULD BE TELLING IT."

IN THIS INTERVIEW, WHICH
HAS TAKEN ALMOST A YEAR TO GET,

I WANT TO GIVE
SHERIFF CHUCK WRIGHT

THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT,
A FAIR CHANCE TO RESPOND

TO SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS,

BUT FIRST, I WANT TO REMIND HIM

OF THE ONE AND ONLY TIME WE MET,

AT TODD'S SENTENCING
BACK IN 2017.

I ONLY MET YOU
ONCE UP UNTIL NOW.

IT WAS IN A NEWS CONFERENCE
RIGHT AFTER

TODD KOHLHEPP'S SENTENCING.

AND I DON'T KNOW
IF YOU REMEMBER ME.

IN ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS
YOU'VE HAD WITH HIM,

YOU'RE CONFIDENT THAT
THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER VICTIMS?

YOU'RE WEARING A NICE DRESS.

AND I AIN'T GONNA
ANSWER THAT ONE.

SHERIFF WRIGHT DOESN'T
SEEM TO WANT TO DISCUSS

THAT EXCHANGE, BUT HE SEEMS
TO BE MAKING A GENUINE ATTEMPT

TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES
THAT HAVE HAUNTED THIS CASE.

I TELL HIM I STILL WANT
AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION...

WHETHER HE THINKS TODD KOHLHEPP

COULD HAVE
MURDERED OTHER PEOPLE.

YOU DIDN'T ANSWER
QUESTION, AND...

I'LL ANSWER IT TODAY,
IF YOU WANT TO ASK IT.

I'D LIKE TO ASK
THAT QUESTION AGAIN.

DO YOU THINK, TODAY, THAT
TODD KOHLHEPP HAS MORE VICTIMS

THAN THE SEVEN
THAT WAS SENTENCED FOR?

UM, I AM NOT SURE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE
TO POINT TO ANYBODY,

OR ELSE WE WOULD BE OUT
TAKING CARE OF IT TODAY.

IT'S VERY POSSIBLE
THERE'S MORE VICTIMS.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR
THAT THE SHERIFF IS OPEN

TO THAT POSSIBILITY.

AND EVEN THOUGH I'VE FORMED
MY OWN CONCLUSIONS,

I ALSO WANT TO ASK HIM
ABOUT SUPERBIKE

AND SOME OF
THE LINGERING INCONGRUITIES

BETWEEN TODD'S STORY
AND THE CRIME SCENE.

TODD KOHLHEPP HAD SAID HE SHOT
EVERYONE IN THE FOREHEAD.

THEY WERE SHOT IN THE HEAD
BUT NOT THE FOREHEAD.

DO YOU THINK THAT IS

REASON TO BELIEVE
HE DIDN'T DO SUPERBIKE?

NO. BECAUSE IT WAS 13 YEARS AGO.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD ENOUGH
REASON TO NOT BELIEVE HIM.

THE AMMO THAT HE USED,
IT MATCHED IT EXACTLY.

IT WAS SPECIFICALLY
EXACTLY AS HE SAID IT WAS.

SO TODD INDICATED HE HAD USED

THE REMINGTON BRASS
SUBSONIC 147-GRAIN BULLETS

AND FEDERAL 135-GRAIN
HYDRA SHOK BULLETS

THAT WERE NICKEL.

ALL THAT MATCHED.
ALL THE SPECIFICS ON THE BRASS,

THE CALIBERS, THE SUBSONICS,
ALL OF THAT MATCHED PERFECTLY.

THE SHERIFF IS RIGHT.

THE TYPES OF BULLETS
TODD SAYS WERE USED ARE A MATCH

TO THOSE AT THE SCENE,
BUT THE SHERIFF CAN'T COMMENT ON

THE FACT THAT THE ORDER IN WHICH
TODD SAYS HE FIRED THEM

AND FROM WHERE DOESN'T MATCH UP
WITH THE EXACT PLACEMENT

OF THE CASINGS
LEFT BEHIND AT THE SHOP.

THERE WAS A LOT OF DETAILS
THAT HE TALKED WITH

THE INVESTIGATORS
AND OUR SOLICITOR ABOUT,

THAT HONESTLY,
I WASN'T PRIVY TO.

I ASKED THE TEAM, I SAID,
"ARE WE 100% SURE

THAT HE'S NOT JUST TRYING TO
MAKE A NEWS STORY FOR HIMSELF?"

AND THEY CAME BACK,
AND THEY SAID,

"100% THIS IS OUR GUY."

IT WAS TO MY UNDERSTANDING
THAT THE LUCAS FAMILY

GAVE A LIST
TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

THIS CUSTOMER LIST
WASN'T PROVIDED

TO THE SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT IN 2005.

YOU KNOW, HIS NAME DID
APPEAR ON THIS LIST.

HE PURCHASED A BIKE THERE BACK
IN APRIL OF THAT YEAR.

RIGHT.

WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS
LOOK AT THAT?

WHAT DO YOU SAY?

I'M NOT SURE THAT IT WASN'T
BY THE OTHER TEAM

BEFORE I TOOK OVER
AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT WASN'T DOCUMENTED
THAT IT WAS.

COULD WE HAVE TALKED TO TODD
AND GOT THE CASE SOLVED EARLIER?

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T THINK SO.

WE REACHED OUT TO THAT LIST
BY LETTERS,

ASKING THEM TO PLEASE
COME FORWARD.

I THINK THAT THE LETTERS
THAT WENT OUT WERE

AFTER THE 10-YEAR ANNIVERSARY,
IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

ACCORDING TO
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE,

TODD KOHLHEPP NEVER RESPONDS
TO THE LETTER.

THERE WAS NOTHING IN
HIS BACKGROUND OF TODD KOHLHEPP

OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD SAY,
YEAH, HE'S GONNA BE

PROBABLY OUR NUMBER-ONE SUSPECT.

YOU KNOW, HE'D HAD THE CRIMINAL
SEXUAL CONDUCT THING

WHEN HE WAS A YOUNGER TEENAGER
IN ARIZONA.

THAT DIDN'T SCREAM,
"I CAN KILL FOUR PEOPLE."

DO I THINK MISTAKES WERE MADE
BEFORE I INHERITED THE CASE?

YEAH, I DO.

MATTER OF FACT,
I KNOW THERE WAS.

THERE WAS AN ENTIRE ROOM
THAT WASN'T EVEN PROCESSED.

THE ROOM THAT WAS MISSED
WAS AN OFFICE.

THE SHERIFF SAYS THERE
ISN'T ANYTHING IMPORTANT

TO THE CASE ULTIMATELY
FOUND IN THAT OFFICE.

HE ALSO WANTS TO ADDRESS

THE MISTAKE THAT WAS MADE
WITH THE BLOOD SAMPLES

THAT TEMPORARILY RESULTED
IN MELISSA BRACKMAN,

THE WIFE OF SUPERBIKE OWNER
SCOTT PONDER,

BEING TREATED LIKE A SUSPECT
IN HER OWN HUSBAND'S MURDER.

THERE WAS A MIS-LABELING
OF THE BLOOD.

THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO
WITH OUR TEAM.

THAT CAME FROM ANOTHER AGENCY.

THANK GOD,
BECAUSE OF SOME THINGS

THAT WE WERE STILL TRYING
TO WORK OUT ON THE CASE,

IT CAME OUT BEFORE IT WAS,
YOU KNOW, REALLY A HUGE ISSUE.

EVERYBODY WAS A SUSPECT UNTIL
WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHO DID IT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT
MEAGAN AND JOHNNY COXIE

FOR A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK THAT THEIR FAMILIES,

IN TERMS OF JUST
MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM,

I THINK THEY FEEL LIKE
THEIR MISSING-PERSONS CASES

WEREN'T TAKEN AS SERIOUSLY
AS KALA AND CHARLIE CARVER'S.

THAT'S NOT FAIR TO SAY.

WE HAVE TO GO ON WHAT WE CAN...
WHAT PEOPLE PROVIDE US.

WE RAN DOWN EVERY LEAD
THAT WE COULD FIND,

AND THEN WHEN IT RAN OUT,
YOU KNOW,

THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WERE STUCK AND
DIDN'T HAVE ANY MORE ANSWERS.

ONE OF THE WAYS KALA
WAS FOUND HAD TO DO

WITH THE PINGING
OF THE CELLPHONES

AND TRYING TO TRACK WHERE
THE CELLPHONES WERE.

THE SEARCH WARRANT FOR
THE COXIES' PHONES,

AT LEAST THE ONE
THAI I CAN FIND,

ISN'T DATED UNTIL
AFTER KOHLHEPP WAS ARRESTED.

YEAH, CAN I TAKE
A BREAK, TOO, PLEASE?

DO YOU MIND?

NO, THAT'S FINE. I KNOW... OKAY.

I ACTUALLY WANT TO CALL
WILLIAM GARY

AND ASK HIM ABOUT THE COXIES

AND WHY WE HADN'T
PINGED THEIR PHONES.

THAT IS PROBABLY A GOOD
QUESTION YOU SHOULD ASK.

WILLIAM GARY,
THE LIEUTENANT HE LEAVES

TO GO CALL, IS AN INVESTIGATOR
ON THE COXIE CASE.

I DON'T BLAME THE SHERIFF
FOR WANTING TO REACH OUT

TO HIM TO GET
THE STORY STRAIGHT.

I WANT THAT, TOO.

HE COMES BACK WITH AN ANSWER.

LOOK, YOU SAID THE FAMILY THINKS
THAT IF WE PINGED

THE CELLPHONES
OF THE COXIES EARLIER,

WE MIGHT HAVE COULD HAVE
SOLVED IT, OKAY?

WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THEM IS THEY
WERE PANHANDLING

ON BLACKSOD ROAD.

NO MENTION OF A CELLPHONE
THAT WE HAVE ON RECORD.

SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A REASON TO
KNOW THAT THEY EVEN HAD A PHONE.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE PANHANDLING,
MOST OF THE TIME,

YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY
FOR A CELLPHONE.

IF WE DIDN'T KNOW
THEY HAD A CELLPHONE,

WE DON'T KNOW TO PING IT.

WHAT THE SHERIFF SAYS
ABOUT HIS INVESTIGATORS

NOT KNOWING
MEAGAN COXIE HAD A PHONE

WHEN SHE DISAPPEARED
SIMPLY ISN'T TRUE.

A POLICE REPORT SHOWS
INVESTIGATOR MICHAEL WALSH

CALLED MEAGAN'S PHONE
ON DECEMBER 23rd,

FOUR DAYS
AFTER SHE WENT MISSING,

AND LEARNED HER VOICEMAIL
BOX WAS FULL.

AT THE TIME, MEAGAN'S MOTHER

MARY McCRAW WANTED THEM
TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER.

I SPECIFICALLY ASKED HIM
TO PING HER PHONE.

AND HE SAID HE COULDN'T DO IT

BECAUSE IT WAS AN INVITATION
OF HER PRIVACY.

AND I SAID, "EVEN IF I PAY
THE BILL ON THE PHONE,

IT'S AN INVASION
OF HER PRIVACY?"

AND HE WAS LIKE, "YEAH."

I DIDN'T LOCATE THE REPORT

STATING INVESTIGATORS
CALLED MEAGAN'S PHONE

UNTIL AFTER MY MEETING
WITH THE SHERIFF,

OR I WOULD HAVE ASKED HIM
MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.

TODD HIMSELF SAYS
HE THREW MEAGAN'S PHONE AWAY.

AT THE TIME OF OUR INTERVIEW,
THE SHERIFF WAS CONFIDENT

HIS TEAM DID EVERYTHING
THEY COULD.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU
WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY

SPARTANBURG COUNTY
SHERIFF'S OFFICE

TOOK THAT CASE
AS SERIOUSLY AS AN OTHER

MISSING-PERSONS CASE.

IN THE COXIE CASE,
WE REALLY DID.

AND WE CAN ONLY GO ON THE
INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GIVEN.

YEAH, WE TOOK IT VERY SERIOUSLY.

THE INTERVIEW I CONDUCT
WITH THE SHERIFF LASTS

OVER TWO HOURS.

WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF
THE DISCOVERIES

I'VE MADE BY TALKING TO PEOPLE
CONNECTED TO THAT CASE

AND BY GOING THROUGH THE FILES

I ACCESSED THROUGH MY
FREEDOM-OF-INFORMATION REQUEST.

IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT
THE SPARTANBURG COUNTY

SHERIFF'S OFFICE
HAS AT TIMES BEEN OVERWHELMED

BY TODD KOHLHEPP'S MULTIPLE AND
EXTREMELY DISTURBING HOMICIDES.

ONE OF THE MOST POIGNANT
PARTS OF THE INTERVIEW

IS HIS REFLECTION ON THE DAY
KALA BROWN IS FOUND ALIVE.

IT WAS A LIFE-CHANGING
EXPERIENCE.

IT WAS PRETTY EMOTIONAL
TO SAY THE LEAST.

YOU KNOW, SHE WAS CHAINED
LIKE A DOG.

SHE HAD A CHAIN AROUND HER NECK.

LOOKING BACK ON IT NOW,
I HAD NO IDEA

WHAT KIND OF THINGS
THAT WE WERE ABOUT TO UNCOVER.

TODD KOHLHEPP WAS BROUGHT
TO THE PROPERTY

AND SHOWED US
WHERE THE COXIES WERE.

I WENT OVER.
HE WAS HANDCUFFED, OBVIOUSLY,

AND SHACKLED, AND...

HE WAS IN THE BACK
OF ONE OF OUR SUVs.

AND I WENT OVER AND OPENED
THE DOOR AND TALKED TO HIM,

AND HE SAID,

"I'VE ALWAYS HAD A GREAT DEAL
OF RESPECT FOR YOU, SHERIFF."

AND I JUST LET HIM TALK, AND...

I PRAYED WITH HIM.

WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT
SUPERBIKE, WE GOT ON OUR

HANDS AND KNEES AND SAID
A PRAYER OF THANKSGIVING

ABOUT THIS CASE BEING SOLVED.

AND IT WAS VERY EMOTIONAL,
I DON'T MIND TELLING YOU.

IT TOOK US A LONG TIME THAT DAY
TO RUN ALL THE FAMILIES DOWN.

AND I WAS NOT GONNA TELL ANYONE

THAT THIS CASE HAD BEEN SOLVED
UNTIL THEY KNEW FIRST.

NOW, THE SHERBERT FAMILY,
WE NEVER GOT TO GET TO THEM.

AND I WASN'T AWARE OF THIS UNTIL
AFTER THE NEWS WAS MADE PUBLIC.

I FELT VERY BAD THAT
THE SHERBERT FAMILY

HAD TO HEAR THIS ON THE NEWS.

JUST LIKE IN 2003,
WHEN THE FAMILY HAD TO LEARN

ABOUT CHRIS SHERBERT'S DEATH
WHEN IT HIT THE NEWS,

THEY HAD TO LEARN OF THE
KILLER'S ARREST THE SAME WAY.

DO YOU THINK THAT WITHOUT
TODD KOHLHEPP COMING FORWARD

AND ADMITTING TO SUPERBIKE,

WOULD THAT CASE
HAVE BEEN SOLVED?

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY YES,
WE WOULD HAVE,

BUT THAT'S SIMPLY A GUESS.

I HAD SAID SOMETHING TO SOME
PEOPLE AND TO THE FAMILY, TOO.

I SAID, "THAT IS TOO HEAVY.

YOU CANNOT SNUFF OUT FOUR LIVES,

YOU CANNOT TAKE FOUR LIVES

WITHOUT BEING ABLE
TO TALK ABOUT IT."

AND I WAS RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME.

WHAT THE SHERIFF SAYS
MAKES ME WONDER IF THE REASON

TODD TELLS ME HE KILLED
TWO MORE VICTIMS

AT THE HUNT CLUB APARTMENTS
IN 2003 IS BECAUSE THAT IS NOW

WEIGHING HEAVILY ON HIM, TOO.

IF I'M EVER GOING TO GET
TO THE TRUTH,

I NEED THE SHERIFF'S HELP.

HE'S KNOWN FROM
THE MOMENT I WENT TO

THE SPARTANBURG COUNTY JAIL
A YEAR EARLIER THAT

TODD IS TALKING TO ME
FOR THIS DOCUMENTARY.

IN A RECENT CONVERSATION
WITH ME,

HE TALKED ABOUT TWO INDIVIDUALS

WHO WERE HARASSING HIM
ARE NO LONGER WITH US.

AND I SAID, "DID YOU
KILL THESE PEOPLE?"

HE EXPLAINED THAT.

AND HE SAID, "WELL,
THEY'RE NO LONGER WITH US."

AND I PRESSED HIM
FOR SOME DETAILS.

AND THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN
IN THE TIME FRAME

BEFORE THE SUPERBIKE MURDERS

BUT AFTER HIS MOTORCYCLE
WAS STOLEN, IN 2003.

TWO INDIVIDUALS ASSAULTED HIM

AT THE HUNT CLUB APARTMENTS.

ONE OF THEM HAD A HAMMER.

ONE OF THEM HAD A KNIFE.

I ASKED HIM IF HE KNEW
WHO THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE.

HE SAID HE HAD THEIR WALLETS,
HE HAD THEIR NAMES.

HE DOESN'T REMEMBER
WHO THEY WERE.

DIDN'T KNOW THEM.

I HAVEN'T HAD ANY SPECIFIC
INFORMATION AT ALL ABOUT,

YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE
THAT HAVE WENT MISSING.

FROM DAY ONE, I HAVE SAID
ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS,

AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN,
WHEN HE REACHES OUT

AND WANTS TO TELL ME
IF THERE ARE MORE VICTIMS,

ON IT RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, IF I GET THE PHONE CALL
WHILE SITTING IN THIS INTERVIEW,

I'LL HAVE SOMEBODY
GO GET HIM NOW.

BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET,

SO A LOT OF
IT'S JUST SPECULATION.

IF I AM ABLE TO BRING YOU
MORE INFORMATION FROM HIM,

THAT YOU COULD ALSO GO
INVESTIGATE OBVIOUSLY...

ABSOLUTELY I WILL.

ABSOLUTELY YOU WILL?

YES.

I DON'T REALLY CARE HOW
THE INFORMATION GETS TO ME.

I DO CARE THAT THE INFORMATION
DOES GET TO ME.

I DON'T HAVE A PRIDE
ISSUE HERE, YOU KNOW?

THIS IS ABOUT THE VICTIMS.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHO LOOKS
GOOD AND WHO DID WHAT.

AND IF YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE
TO ESTABLISH A RELATIONSHIP

WITH HIM, YOU KNOW, GOOD.

AND IF YOU CAN HELP US
WITH THAT, EVEN BETTER.

EVER SINCE I STARTED
INVESTIGATING THE LIFE

AND CRIMES OF SERIAL KILLER
TODD KOHLHEPP TWO YEARS AGO,

THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A BIG
MYSTERY LURKING IN THE SHADOWS.

DID HE KILL MORE PEOPLE
THAN THE SEVEN WE KNOW ABOUT?

HE ALLUDED TO IT IN THE FIRST
PHONE CONVERSATION

I HAD WITH HIM IN MAY OF 2017.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT
IT'S MORE THAN SEVEN?

WHEN HE TELLS ME HE STABBED
TWO ADDITIONAL VICTIMS

AT HUNT CLUB APARTMENTS
BACK IN 2003

AND DISPOSED OF THEIR BODIES,

IT SEEMS TODD KOHLHEPP MIGHT
FINALLY BE COMING CLEAN.

I HAVE THE SPARTANBURG
COUNTY SHERIFF'S PROMISE

THAT HE WILL INVESTIGATE

IF KOHLHEPP CAN NARROW DOWN
A SEARCH AREA.

HE ASSIGNS CAPTAIN STEVE COOPER
TO BE MY LIAISON

WITH THE DEPARTMENT, AND WE TALK
ABOUT HOW TO PROCEED.

INVESTIGATORS ARE WILLING
TO SPEND THE TIME AND MONEY

TO SEARCH FOR THE TWO BODIES,

BUT THEY'RE STILL WARY OF
TODD'S NEW CLAIMS.

IN FACT, THERE'S
A MAJOR CONTRADICTION.

IF TODD REALLY STABBED
TWO PEOPLE TO DEATH

AT THE HUNT CLUB APARTMENTS,

IT WOULD MEAN HE LIED IN
HIS INTERROGATION WITH TOM CLARK

WHEN HE SAID
HE NEVER STABBED ANYONE.

SO IS HE TELLING THE TRUTH NOW,

OR WAS HE TELLING
THE TRUTH THEN?

IT'S NO WONDER THE SPARTANBURG
COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE

IS SKEPTICAL, AND SO AM I.

BUT JUST WHEN I THINK
HE MIGHT BE LYING,

I GET AN UNEXPECTED REMINDER

THAT TODD OFTEN
DOES TELL THE TRUTH.

IT COMES FROM A WOMAN
IN TEMPE, ARIZONA,

WHO SUSPECTED
HE RAPED HER BACK IN 1986.

HER ATTACK OCCURRED
AROUND THE SAME TIME

AND IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD

WHERE HE RAPED HIS
14-YEAR-OLD NEIGHBOR, KRISTIE.

ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SUSPICIONS
TO THE CONTRARY,

TODD HAS ALWAYS SAID HE DIDN'T
COMMIT THIS SECOND RAPE.

BUT THERE WAS NO WAY
TO PROVE IT,

SINCE EVIDENCE IN THE UNSOLVED
CASE HAVE BEEN DESTROYED.

OR SO THE VICTIM THOUGHT.

ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO,
I RECEIVED A REGISTERED LETTER

IN THE MAIL FROM
THE TEMPE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THEY HAD FOUND THIS FINGERPRINT
CARD BACK FROM MY CASE IN 1986.

AND THEY JUST RECENTLY RAN IT,

AND THAT IT MATCHED A MAN BY
THE NAME OF PAUL WAYNE BARNES.

HE WAS A SERIAL RAPIST,

AND HE IS A LEVEL-3
SEX OFFENDER,

AND THAT HE LIVES
IN PRESCOTT VALLEY.

THIS APPEARS TO BE
DEFINITIVE PROOF

TODD KOHLHEPP HADN'T COMMITTED
THAT RAPE IN ARIZONA,

AND THAT HE WAS
TELLING ME THE TRUTH.

BECAUSE THE STATUE
OF LIMITATIONS

HAS RUN OUT ON THIS CASE,

PAUL WAYNE BARNES CAN'T
BE CHARGED FOR THIS CRIME.

BUT AT LEAST THIS WOMAN, WHO
PREFERS TO REMAIN UNIDENTIFIED,

NOW HAS SOME ANSWERS.

IT'S BECAUSE OF
YOUR PUSHING, FOR SURE.

LIKE, ABSOLUTELY.

THEY... THEY HAD NO INTEREST
IN EVEN PURSUING IT.

I TELL TODD WHAT I LEARNED.

AND IN AN E-MAIL FROM
JUNE 25, 2018, HE SAYS...

SO IF HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH
ABOUT THIS RAPE,

SHOULD I BELIEVE HE'S ALSO
TELLING THE TRUTH

ABOUT STABBING TO DEATH TWO MEN
HE SAYS HARASSED HIM

AT THE HUNT CLUB APARTMENTS
BACK IN 2003?

THIS IS WHAT HE TOLD ME
IN A PREVIOUS CALL.

WHOEVER THEY WERE,
TODD SAYS HE KILLED THEM.

I WANT TO ASK FORMER
FBI PROFILER JOHN DOUGLAS

WHAT HIS OPINION IS ON
WHETHER OUR QUEST

FOR THESE NEW ALLEGED VICTIMS
MIGHT BE A WILD GOOSE CHASE.

BUT BEFORE I DO, I TELL HIM

THAT TODD WAS APPARENTLY
TELLING THE TRUTH

ABOUT NOT RAPING
A SECOND VICTIM IN TEMPE,

WHO SUSPECTED
HE WAS HER ASSAILANT.

SHE GOT INFORMATION THAT
A FINGERPRINT

THAT WAS TAKEN
FROM HER BEDROOM DOOR

MATCHED TO A DIFFERENT
LEVEL-3 SEX OFFENDER.

TODD WAS TELLING THE TRUTH,
WHICH THERE WAS SOME DOUBT

AT THE TIME
THAT HE DID NOT DO THAT RAPE.

AND SO THAT TELLS YOU
HE'S TRUTHFUL.

HE'S NOT TRYING TO
VOLUNTEER CASES THAT, YOU KNOW,

HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH.

RIGHT, AND I THINK
THAT'S IMPORTANT

WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT THE NEXT THING.

HE DID REVEAL SOME INFORMATION
ABOUT A COUPLE OF GUYS

THAT HE SAYS HE KILLED
AT THE HUNT CLUB APARTMENTS,

WHICH IS WHERE HE WAS LIVING

AFTER HE MOVED BACK
FROM ARIZONA.

JOHN SAYS HE NEEDS TO HEAR
EVERY DETAIL OF TODD'S ACCOUNT

TO DECIDE IF HE FEELS
LIKE TODD'S BEING HONEST.

THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS
WHO CAME AT HIM AT HUNT CLUB

WERE HARASSING HIM.

ONE GUY HAS A KNIFE.
THE OTHER HAS A HAMMER.

TODD SEES THEM.

HE GRABS TWO KNIVES
WHICH HE HAS IN HIS POCKETS.

THE FIRST GUY, TODD
SLICES HIM ON HIS WRIST.

AND THEN HE SAYS HE STABS
THIS MAN IN THE CHEST.

OTHER GUY WITH THE HAMMER
TRIES TO RUN AWAY.

TODD STABS HIM IN THE SIDE
OF THE NECK.

I TELL JOHN TODD SAYS HE GOES
TO HIS APARTMENT,

GETS THINGS TO WRAP
THE BODIES IN,

PLACES ONE VICTIM
IN THE PASSENGER SEAT,

AND THE OTHER IN THE TRUNK.

HE WASHES AWAY WHATEVER
BLOOD EVIDENCE WAS LEFT THERE,

AND THEN HE TAKES OFF
WITH THESE TWO GUYS IN HIS CAR.

THEN I TELL JOHN THE DETAILS
OF HIS CLAIM

ABOUT DUMPING THE BODIES

SOMEWHERE ALONG A FRONTAGE ROAD
NEXT TO I-26.

HE SAYS, "I PUT THE BODIES

BEHIND THE BARRICADE
IN A RAVINE.

I'M SURPRISED NO ONE
EVER FOUND THEM."

WHAT DO YOU THINK...
TELLING THE TRUTH,

MAKING UP A STORY?

MAYBE YOU'LL BE SURPRISED
AT MY ANSWER,

BUT I REALLY THINK HE'S, UH...

I THINK HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH.

HE'S JUST VERY, VERY SPECIFIC.

AND LITTLE THINGS LIKE GETTING
WATER AND COMING BACK DOWN,

AND WASHING AWAY THE BLOOD
IN THE PARKING LOT.

THE OTHER THING TO IT IS
IT'S NOT A FORM OF

BRAGGING LIKE, "THESE TWO BIG
GUYS CAME UP TO ME,"

YOU KNOW, "AND THEY GOT
THE BIGGEST KNIVES."

ONE GUY HAS A SMALL KNIFE.

THE OTHER GUY HAS A HAMMER.

I DON'T SEE BOASTING.

WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT HIM
AND, LIKE, WHEN

AND WHY HE DOES THESE THINGS,
THESE ARE TRIGGERING EVENTS.

THERE'S ALWAYS A TRIGGERING
EVENT AROUND A PARTICULAR CRIME.

SO IN THIS CASE,
THE HARASSMENT, POTENTIALLY,

IF HE REALLY WAS BEING
HARASSED BY THESE PEOPLE.

HE'S GONNA GO BACK TO
SURVIVAL TECHNIQUES HERE.

HE'S GONNA, YOU KNOW...
AND IT'S REVENGE.

IT'S RETALIATION.

THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TOLD ME
IF HE CAN IDENTIFY THE LOCATION,

WE CAN ALL GO OUT THERE
AND LOOK FOR THESE PEOPLE.

AND HE SHOULD RECOGNIZE
THE PLACE BECAUSE WAS NIGHTTIME.

AND GENERALLY, WHAT THEY DO
IS THEY GO BACK.

THEY GO BACK TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEY'RE CONCEALED.

AND SO HE WOULD'VE BEEN
BACK THERE,

I WOULD SAY, MORE THAN ONE TIME.

DOUGLAS BELIEVES THERE'S ONE
THING WORTH TRYING

TO FIND THESE VICTIMS QUICKLY.

GET HIM OUT THERE IN SHACKLES,

AND LET HIM POINT OUT THE AREA.

THAT'S THE WAY
TO SOLVE THE CASE.

I'M ENCOURAGED BY
JOHN DOUGLAS' ASSESSMENT

THAT TODD MIGHT BE
TELLING THE TRUTH.

WHILE I AGREE THAT THE BEST WAY
TO PROCEED

WOULD BE TO BRING TODD OUT
TO POSSIBLE LOCATIONS

IN SHACKLES, I KNOW
THAT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN,

AT LEAST RIGHT AWAY.

I HEAD BACK
TO SPARTANBURG COUNTY

TO WORK WITH GARY GARRETT,
TODD KOHLHEPP'S BIOGRAPHER,

TO FIND FREEWAY EXITS
THAT FIT THE DESCRIPTION

WHERE TODD SAYS HE PUT THE
BODIES OF HIS ALLEGED VICTIMS.

THE SPARTANBURG COUNTY
SHERIFF'S OFFICE WANTS A MAP

OR PHOTOS OF THE LIKELY PLACES

TODD MIGHT HAVE DISPOSED
OF THOSE BODIES BACK IN 2003.

SO GARY AND I POOL THE BITS
AND PIECES OF THE STORY

HE'S TOLD EACH OF US...

THAT HE LEFT THE TWO BODIES
SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SPARTANBURG

AND COLUMBIA LATE AT NIGHT
IN A RAVINE NEAR

A "ROAD ENDS" SIGN.

I KNOW HE SAYS
HE DOESN'T REMEMBER.

I DON'T KNOW, THOUGH.

HOW COULD YOU NOT REMEMBER?

I MEAN, HE'S FROM HERE.

I THINK HE DOES KNOW.

WE NEED TO GET TODD
TO LOOK AT THE PHOTOS

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE
OF THE LOCATIONS

THAT FIT THE DESCRIPTION,

TO SEE IF ANYTHING
LOOKS FAMILIAR TO HIM.

BEFORE WE START OUT,
WE FIND SIX POSSIBLE LOCATIONS

THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE
BASED ON THE FACT

THAT HE SAYS HE TOOK
A RIGHT OFF THE INTERSTATE

AND A LEFT DOWN A FRONTAGE ROAD.

THREE OF THEM DON'T END UP
MATCHING THE REST

OF THE DESCRIPTION TODD'S GIVEN.

THE OTHER THREE... 28, 41, 54...
HAVE FEATURES THAT DO.

THE FIRST IS EXIT 28 IN ROEBUCK.

IT MATCHES THE GENERAL
DESCRIPTION OF RAVINES

BENEATH THE THICK TREE CANOPY,

BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER
THE BARRICADE HERE TODAY

HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 2003.

ALRIGHT. NEXT ONE.

THE SECOND IS EXIT 41 IN ENOREE.

THIS WOODED EXIT HAS RAVINES
AND A BARRICADE

ACROSS A CRUMBLING ROAD.

THE ROAD ITSELF ENDS ABOUT
100 YARDS BEYOND THE SIGN.

IT SEEMS SECLUDED ENOUGH
TO HIDE A BODY.

BUT LIKE EXIT 28, WE DON'T KNOW
IF THIS SIGN WAS HERE IN 2003.

EXIT 54 IN LAURENS COUNTY
IS THE LAST ON OUR LIST.

I'M READY TO RULE IT OUT

BECAUSE THE AREA LOOKS
RECENTLY DEVELOPED,

AND LIKE ANYTHING BURIED HERE

WOULD'VE TURNED UP
IN CONSTRUCTION.

BUT THEN, I SPOT SOMETHING
IN THE WOODS

THAT DEFINITELY CHANGES MY MIND.

THAT IS INTERESTING.

GARY GARRETT AND I ARE
TRYING TO LOCATE PLACES

THAT MATCH THE DESCRIPTION

OF WHERE TODD KOHLHEPP
MAY HAVE BURIED TWO BODIES.

WE'RE AT EXIT 54 OFF 1-26
IN CLINTON, SOUTH CAROLINA.

LOOK AT THAT.

THAT IS INTERESTING.

THAT LOOKS LIKE
A "ROAD CLOSED" SIGN.

OR "ROAD ENDS."YEAH, "ROAD ENDS."

YEAH.

SHOULD WE GO BACK THERE? YEAH,
LET'S GO BACK IN THERE.

IS IT IN THE GROUND,
OR IS IT...?

THAT TREE HAS GROWN THROUGH IT.

WHAT? THIS HAS BEEN HERE A WHILE.

SEE, THAT TREE'S
GROWN THROUGH IT.

SO THIS HAS DEFINITELY BEEN... NO WAY.

IT'S GONE THROUGH HERE
AND WEAVED ITSELF UP.

WHAT? THESE PINES GROW QUICK.

THESE HAVE BEEN HERE A WHILE,

SO THAT ROAD CAME DOWN HERE
AT SOME POINT.

WITH EVERYTHING I'M SEEING,
I HAVE TO WONDER,

ARE WE WALKING ON A BURIAL SITE?

SEE, THERE'S A RAVINE OVER HERE.

BUT THAT JUST SEEMS
LIKE A LONG WAY

TO DRAG A BODY FROM OVER THERE.

WELL, YOU'D WANT THEM TO BE
BACK FAR ENOUGH, RIGHT?

YEAH, YEAH.

WELL, WHAT KIND OF SHAPE
WAS HE IN THEN?

HE WAS IN REALLY
GOOD SHAPE THEN.

HE HADN'T BEEN
OUT OF PRISON LONG.

HE WAS... HE WAS
A PRETTY STRONG GUY.

I MEAN, IF YOU WERE DRAGGING...
AND THEY WERE SUPPOSEDLY

WRAPPED UP, RIGHT, IN LIKE,
A COMFORTER OR SOMETHING.

YEAH, COMFORTER.

WE'LL SEND THESE PHOTOS TO TODD
AND ASK HIM TO DECIDE

IF A SPECIFIC LOCATION
LOOKS PROMISING.

ONCE HE'S WEIGHED IN,

WE'LL MEET WITH THE SHERIFF'S
INVESTIGATORS TO DECIDE

IF THERE'S ENOUGH TO GO ON
TO WARRANT A SEARCH.

IT ONLY TAKES A COUPLE OF WEEKS
FOR TODD KOHLHEPP

TO GET THE PHOTOS
GARY AND I TOOK,

AND TO WEIGH IN ON
WHERE THE BODIES OF THE ALLEGED

HUNT CLUB APARTMENT VICTIMS
FROM 2003 MIGHT BE.

FROM THE FRONTAGE ROADS
ALONG 1-26 BETWEEN SPARTANBURG

AND COLUMBIA THAT MATCH
HIS INITIAL DESCRIPTION,

TODD CHOOSES TO POSSIBLE
BURIAL SITES...

EXIT 41 IN ENOREE,
AND EXIT 54 IN CLINTON.

THE SPARTANBURG COUNTY SHERIFF'S
OFFICE ASSEMBLES A TEAM

THAT WILL ASSESS
THE INFORMATION WE HAVE

AND DECIDE WHETHER IT'S ENOUGH
TO WARRANT A SEARCH.

BEFORE WE MEET,
THEY ASSIGN INVESTIGATORS

TO GO TO THE PRISON
AND TALK TO TODD.

FOR THE MOST PART,
WHAT HE TELLS THEM

ABOUT THE ALLEGED
HUNT CLUB APARTMENT MURDERS

SEEMS TO MATCH THE ACCOUNTS

BOTH GARY GARRETT
AND I HAVE HEARD BEFORE.

HE TOLD THAT HE DIDN'T
RECOGNIZE THE GUYS.

ALL HE WOULD TELL US IS THAT,
UM, THAT IN ESSENCE,

HE DISPOSED OF BOTH OF THEM.

HE DID TELL US HE GOT ON AND OFF
THE INTERSTATE SEVERAL TIMES,

DRUG THEM INTO THE WOODS,
AND LEFT THEM IN A DEPRESSION,

AND THREW BRUSH ON TOP OF THEM.

AND THAT'S, IN ESSENCE,
HIS STORY TO US.

THE PROBLEM I HAVE
WITH THIS WHOLE THING...

I THINK YOU'RE GONNA REMEMBER
EVERY MINUTE DETAIL,

INCLUDING WHERE
YOU PUT THE BODIES.

DID YOU ASK HIM IF
HE WOULD COME AND SHOW YOU

WHERE THIS HAPPENED,
WHERE HE DID THIS?

AND WHAT...
WHAT WAS HIS RESPONSE?

YES, AND AGAIN, HE REVERTED BACK
TO THAT HE WOULD NOT ASSIST

IN LOCATING THE BODIES
UNLESS HE WAS GIVEN IMMUNITY.

IMMUNITY FROM EITHER
THE DEATH PENALTY

OR PROSECUTION,
SHOULD THE BODIES BE FOUND,

IS NOT SOMETHING THE SPARTANBURG
COUNTY SOLICITOR,

BARRY BARNETTE, IS WILLING
TO GIVE TODD KOHLHEPP,

EVEN IF IT MEANS
FINDING THE VICTIMS.

ANOTHER INTERESTING THING
THAT HE SAID...

HE SAID,
"I DON'T WANT THEM FOUND.

THEY DON'T DESERVE TO BE FOUND."

DOES HE NOT WANT THEM FOUND
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THERE,

OR DOES HE NOT WANT THEM FOUND

BECAUSE, LIKE YOU SAID,

HE BLAMES HIS
PLIGHT ON LIFE WITH THEM.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME

TO DECIPHER
A SERIAL KILLER'S MOTIVES,

BUT I GO OVER EVERYTHING
WE'VE DONE SO FAR WITH THE TEAM

AND SHOW THEM THE TWO LOCATIONS

TODD CHOSE AS POSSIBLE
DUMP SITES FOR THE BODIES.

THE FIRST ONE WAS
THIS EXIT 41 IN ENOREE.

THIS WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE
IN TODD'S DESCRIPTION

OF WHERE HE PUT THEM,
THERE'S A "ROAD ENDS" SIGN.

SO WE CAME UPON THIS
"ROAD ENDS" SIGN,

AND IT IS PAVED FURTHER HERE.

THE NEXT PROPERTY THAT HE
INDICATED, HE'S THOUGHT EXIT 54.

SO THIS WAS THE ONE
AT THE CLINTON EXIT.

AND INITIALLY, I THOUGHT,

"WELL, THIS SEEMS
A LITTLE MORE POPULATED.

THIS SEEMS A LITTLE MORE
DEVELOPED OUT HERE."

THEN YOU FIND THIS
"ROAD ENDS" SIGN,

WHICH IS COMPLETELY BURIED
IN THE WOODS

AND LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE
FOR A LONG TIME.

THERE'S TREES
GROWING THROUGH THE SIGN.

MAYBE THAT SIGN COULD'VE
BEEN THERE AS FAR BACK AS 2003.

DIDN'T ONE OF YOU...
EITHER MARK OR YOU...

ASK HIM IF HE HAD
WENT AS FAR AS CLINTON?

AND HE SAID THAT HE DIDN'T GO
TO THE CLINTON EXIT.

CORRECT. HE SAID,
"NO, I DIDN'T GO THAT FAR."

I THINK WE'VE GOT TO STICK
WITH WHAT WE KNOW TO...

BASED ON WHAT HE'S TELLING US.

WE DON'T WANT TO GET TO
LOOKING FOR THAT PROVERBIAL

NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK.OKAY.

LET'S TAKE THIS...
JUST THE FLIP SIDE OF THIS.

SO, YES, HE TOLD YOU HE DIDN'T
GO AS FAR AS CLINTON.

BUT WHEN HE WAS PROVIDED PHOTOS
OF ALL SIX EXITS BETWEEN HERE

AND COLUMBIA THAT MATCH,
HE SELECTED THAT EXIT.

SO YOU HAVE HIM TELLING YOU...
TELLING US, "LOOK HERE."

AND NOW YOU DON'T WANT TO
LOOK THERE.

NO, I NEVER SAID
WE DIDN'T WANT TO LOOK THERE.

I'M JUST SAYING,
LOGISTICALLY SPEAKING,

IF YOU THINK THAT HE'S ON
A TRAIL OF DECEPTION,

WHO'S TO SAYING
THAT HE'S GIVING YOU THESE TO...

I DON'T THINK HE'S ON
A TRAIL OF DECEPTION.

I... I DON'T KNOW
WHAT TO BELIEVE

AS TO WHETHER
HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH.

DO I THINK HE'S INTENTIONALLY
MISLEADING US TO EXITS

WHERE HE DIDN'T
PUT THESE PEOPLE?

NO.

I GUESS IF YOU ASKED ME
THAT QUESTION, I WOULD SAY NO.

BUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
WHICH LOCATIONS ARE WORTH

A FULL-ON SEARCH STIRS A LOT
OF CONTROVERSY FOR THE GROUP.

STILL, THERE IS AGREEMENT THAT
IF A ROAD THAT IS CLOSED TODAY

WAS ALSO CLOSED
AND BARRICADED BACK IN 2003,

AS TODD AS DESCRIBED,
IT'S WORTH A SECOND LOOK.

SURELY, WE CAN FIND OUT
THESE "ROAD CLOSED" SIGNS...

GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE HOW
LONG HAS THAT ROAD BEEN CLOSED.

THE THING THAT GETS ME
ON THIS EXIT 54...

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT SIGN,
THERE'S JUST...

BEEN THERE A WHILE.IT'S
BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.

EXIT 28 IS PUT BACK
ON THE TABLE, TOO.

EVEN THOUGH TODD
DIDN'T CHOOSE IT,

INVESTIGATORS WANT TO SEE IT.

WE NEED TO PUT SOMEBODY ON...
ACTUALLY, ON ALL THREE OF THESE,

FINDING OUT
WHEN THE ROADS WERE CLOSED.

HERE, LET ME GET THIS.

AND THEN LET'S...
LET'S RIDE DOWN

AND KIND OF LOOK, UM,
TO SEE WHAT LOGISTICALLY

WE'LL NEED TO PERFORM
THESE SEARCHES.

AND THEN, HOPEFULLY,
WE CAN START SEARCHING TOMORROW.

AS A NEXT STEP,
THE INVESTIGATORS DECIDE

TO VISIT THE SITES IN PERSON
TO LOOK FOR OTHER CLUES

THAT COULD RULE AN EXIT
IN OR OUT

BEFORE THEY BRING IN THE DOGS
AND A LARGER SEARCH TEAM.

I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE
THIS IS HAPPENING...

THAT WE MAY HAVE THE POTENTIAL

TO FIND THESE VICTIMS
AND CLOSE NEW CASES.

AFTER STARTING AT
THE HUNT CLUB APARTMENTS,

WE STOP AT EXIT 28...
THE EXIT TODD DID NOT CHOOSE

AS THE PLACE
HE TOOK THE TWO BODIES,

BUT THAT WE ALL THINK
FITS THE CRITERIA.

OR AT LEAST MOST OF IT.

I HAVE NO IDEA
WHAT'S BACK THERE.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE FURTHEST
WE EVER WENT,

WITH ALL THIS SIGNAGE.

LET'S JUST WALK BACK HERE
FOR A MINUTE, BRANDON.

WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT IS THE FACT

THAT IT'S OFF THE INTERSTATE
AND YOU CAN SEE THE INTERSTATE,

WHICH IS THE WAY
THAT HE DESCRIBED IT TO US.

ONE THING THAT I DON'T
LIKE ABOUT IT...

IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT
WHAT HE SAID...

BEING ABLE TO EXIT OFF
THE INTERSTATE

A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE
HE REACHED HIS DESTINATION.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING
THAT DISCOURAGES ME ABOUT THIS.

ALRIGHT, TAKE A LOOK
AT THE NEXT ONE.

EXIT 41 IN ENOREE IS
ANOTHER 12 MILES UP THE ROAD.

SO, THIS IS WHERE
THE SIGN IS NOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT LOOKS LIKE
IT'S BEEN HERE 15 YEARS.

IS THIS THE ONLY
"ROAD ENDS" SIGN ON HERE?

ON THIS ROAD?

YEAH. YES.

THERE'S NOT ANOTHER ONE
DOWN THERE?

LET'S WALK DOWN HERE.

THERE ISN'T ANOTHER BARRICADE,

BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD SEE WHAT
HAPPENS WITH THE ROAD.

IT CURVES, AND SO THERE'S
A LITTLE MORE SEPARATION

FROM 26.

EVERYONE'S IMPRESSED
WITH THE SITE OFF EXIT 41.

IT CHECKS A LOT OF THE BOXES...

THE SIGN, THE RAVINE,
AND A CLEAR END TO THE ROAD.

THE CONSENSUS IS THAT
WE SHOULD FIND OUT

IF THIS ROAD
WAS CLOSED BACK IN 2003.

IF IT WAS, THIS SITE
IS DEFINITELY A CONTENDER.

AFTER EXIT 41,
IT'S ON TO THE LAST SITE...

EXIT 54 IN CLINTON,

THE SITE WHERE THE "ROAD ENDS"
SIGN IS BURIED IN THE WOODS.

THIS IS THE ONE HE PICKED, YEAH.

AND YOU'LL SEE THIS SIGN
BACK HERE,

AND WE CAN WALK BACK IN HERE.

WOW.

YOU CAN SEE THAT ENTIRE TREE
HAS GONE AROUND ONE SIDE,

THROUGH THE BACK,
AND ALL THE WAY UP.

THE TREE GROWING THROUGH IT
IS ONE THING.

BUT EVEN, LIKE, THIS FATTER TREE
IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

LIKE, YOU WOULDN'T BE PUTTING
A "ROAD CLOSED" SIGN IN BETWEEN

TWO TREES THAT
ARE ALREADY THERE.

- OH, YEAH. NO DOUBT.
- YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

LIKE, SOMETHING'S GOING ON
WITH THIS SITE.

THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SPENDS
MOST OF THE DAY

DIGESTING WHAT THEY'VE SEEN.

IN THE AFTERNOON, I GET A CALL
FROM CAPTAIN COOPER.

WE CAN'T CORROBORATE
ANYTHING AT EXIT 28

THAT LEADS US TO BELIEVE

THAT THAT'S WHERE
WE NEED TO SEARCH.

EXIT 28's OUT.

EXIT 54 IN CLINTON
IS RULED OUT, TOO,

DESPITE THE FACT THAT
TODD HIMSELF IDENTIFIED

THAT LOCATION.

INVESTIGATORS LEARNED THERE
USED TO BE A DIRT ROAD

THERE LEADING UP
TO THE "ROAD ENDS" SIGN.

BUT BECAUSE TODD NEVER MENTIONED
DRIVING ON A DIRT ROAD,

THEY RULED IT OUT.

THERE'S ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT

BOOTS ON THE GROUND AT.
IT'S GONNA BE EXIT 41.

WHEN IT COMES TO INVESTIGATING
HIS NEW CLAIM,

ONE THING TODD TELLS AUTHORITIES
IS HE DOESN'T WANT THE MEDIA,

OUTSIDE OF MY CREW, INVOLVED.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENS.

"GREENVILLE NEWS" REPORTER
DANIEL GROSS GETS A TIP

FROM A SOURCE
HE REFUSES TO IDENTIFY

AND BREAKS THE STORY,
WHICH IS PICKED UP QUICKLY

BY LOCAL AND NATIONAL MEDIA.

INFAMOUS SERIAL KILLER
TODD KOHLHEPP,

KNOWN FOR MURDERING
SEVEN PEOPLE IN THE UPSTATE,

TOLD A TV DOCUMENTARY CREW

HE HAD HIDDEN THE BODIES
OF MORE VICTIMS IN ENOREE.

THE LEAK IS
DEFINITELY A PROBLEM.

IT'S NOT THE WAY
WE WANTED THINGS TO GO.

JOHN DOUGLAS AGREES TO GO
ON THE UPCOMING SEARCH.

AND ONCE HE ARRIVES IN TOWN,

WE'RE CALLED INTO
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE

UNDER CLOAK-AND-DAGGER TO TALK.

ALL OF A SUDDEN,
ONE OF THE REPORTERS,

DANIEL GROSS,
PUBLISHES AN ARTICLE IN

"THE GREENVILLE NEWS" THAT
SHERIFF WRIGHT IS QUOTED IN,

THAT SAYS TODD KOHLHEPP
HAS CONFESSED TO

KILLING TWO ADDITIONAL VICTIMS.

WHICH JUST BLEW MY MIND.

I MEAN, NOW EVERYBODY KNOWS.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK
THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT'S

ATTITUDE'S GONNA BE
WHEN WE GO SEE THEM?

THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY.

THEY SAID I COULD BRING YOU,
BUT WE HAVE TO GO IN

NO-RECORDING,
NO-CAMERAS, NO-AUDIO.

I CAN'T HAVE MY PHONE.

PART OF ME IS WORRIED
THEY'LL SAY,

"WELL, NOW BECAUSE OF THIS
MEDIA FRENZY, WE'RE EITHER..."

YOU KNOW, "WE'RE NOT
GONNA DO THIS SEARCH

WHILE YOU'RE HERE
OR YOU CAN'T BE PART OF THAT."

JOHN DOUGLAS BELIEVES
TODD'S CLAIMS

NEED TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY,

IN PART BECAUSE OF
A QUESTIONNAIRE THAT

HE GAVE TODD TO FILL OUT
JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.

IT'S A PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT

THAT DOUGLAS GIVES TO ALL
OF THE SERIAL KILLERS

HE COMMUNICATES WITH
TO EVALUATE HOW THEY THINK.

HE PUT MORE IN ON THAT FORM
THAN ANY OTHER OFFENDER

WHO I'VE EVER INTERVIEWED,
AND IT'S HIM TALKING HONESTLY.

AND I JUST BELIEVE HIM.

HE'S... HE'S KILLED.

HE'S KILLED BEFORE.

JOHN DOUGLAS SAYS THAT
TODD'S ANSWERS

THROUGHOUT THE 69-PAGE
QUESTIONNAIRE

ARE MORE CANDID THAN THOSE
OF SERIAL KILLERS

LIKE TED BUNDY
AND CHARLES MANSON.

TODD GOES INTO DETAIL
ABOUT HIS ABUSIVE CHILDHOOD,

HIS FANTASIES, AND HIS MURDERS.

AND SOMETHING MORE TELLING...

HE INCLUDES THE VICTIMS
OF THE HUNT CLUB MURDERS

HE'S NOW ALLEGING
IN HIS TALLY OF KILLS,

WHICH JOHN DOUGLAS THINKS
ADDS TO HIS CREDIBILITY.

ONCE WE GET TO THE SHERIFF'S
OFFICE, WE DO AS INSTRUCTED,

ENTERING THROUGH THE BACK DOOR

AS OTHER MEDIA
IS ASSEMBLED OUT FRONT.

ALRIGHT, WE JUST WANT TO
MAKE SURE.

WE CAN'T...
WE CAN'T BRING A CAMERA,

EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE IT ON,
IN CASE WE CHANGE OUR MI... OKAY.

ONE HOUR AFTER WE ENTER
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE,

WE'RE BACK OUT.

THEY'VE GOTTEN ABOUT 25 CALLS
FROM DIFFERENT MEDIA OUTLETS

WANTING TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON,
WHAT DID TODD CONFESS TO.

THEY ARE GOING TO STILL
CONDUCT THE SEARCH TOMORROW.

WE'RE STILL ABLE TO
GO ALONG WITH THAT.

THE OTHER MEDIA IS NOT.

BECAUSE NOW THE MEDIA
IS ALL OVER THIS...

THIS CASE, THEY ARE...
THEY'RE PAINTED IN A CORNER.

I TOLD THEM, I SAID,
I DO BELIEVE, IN FACT,

THAT KOHLHEPP IS RESPONSIBLE
FOR OTHER MURDERS.

AND I DO BELIEVE THE STORIES
THAT HE HAS TOLD.

AFTER THE SHERIFF IS BRIEFED
ON THE SEARCH PLAN,

HE AGREES TO MEET WITH ME
ONE MORE TIME.

I THINK HE JUST WANTS TO GO
OVER EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED.

AND PERHAPS NOW HE BELIEVES
WE WANT THE SAME THINGS.

WE NEEDED A PLACE THAT BRINGS
THE WHOLE INVESTIGATION

FULL CIRCLE.

THE SHIPPING CONTAINER.

IT'S WHERE KALA BROWN WAS
CHAINED BEFORE HER RESCUE

SHED LIGHT ON TODD'S MURDEROUS
PAST FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE.

IT'S PRETTY SOMBER, ACTUALLY.

WOW.

IT'S VERY EERIE TO BE HERE.

THE SHIPPING CONTAINER
IS MUCH LARGER THAN

I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FROM THE
STORIES ABOUT KALA'S RELEASE.

IN FACT, THE TRACTOR TODD USED
TO BURY JOHNNY AND MEAGAN COXIE

AND CHARLIE CARVER
ON HIS PROPERTY IS INSIDE.

YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK
AT THIS FARM EQUIPMENT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY NOT
ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY.

BUT WHEN IT'S USED FOR
WHAT HE'S USING IT FOR,

IT CERTAINLY IS.

THERE'S A MAKESHIFT SHEET
PUT UP, OR WHATEVER IT IS.

BACK THERE'S WHERE
HE WAS HOLDING MS. KALA.

THE SHERIFF REMEMBERS HOW THE
NOW-INFAMOUS RESCUE CAME ABOUT.

IT WAS THERE SEPARATING THE...

EVERYTHING IS THE SAME AS IT
WAS THERE, EXCEPT FOR THE CAGE.

I THINK WE TOOK THE CAGE OUT.

SHE WAS CHAINED TO THE WALL.

I'M REALLY PROUD
OF THE TEAM FOR,

THEY WENT OUT THERE TO SEARCH.

YOU KNOW, THEY HEARD...

AND THERE WERE TREES AROUND
WITH PINE CONES FALLING.

ONE OF THE OFFICERS SAID,
"I HEAR SOMETHING."

AND SHE WAS TAKING A CHANCE
THAT IT WASN'T HIM.

RIGHT.AND THEN SHE STARTED SCREAMING,

AND THAT'S WHEN
IT STARTED ROLLING.

IT'S HARD BELIEVE.

I MEAN, SEEING THIS
AND SEEING THE TRACTOR,

IT'S ONE OF THOSE
THINGS WHERE READING THROUGH

THE CASE FILE AND EVEN
DOING INTERVIEWS...

PUTTING EYES ON IT
MAKES IT DIFFERENT, DON'T IT?

IT MAKES...
IT'S JUST A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

I MEAN, JUST TO PICTURE
HIM ON THERE PUTTING BODIES

IN A TARP, AND I MEAN...

YOU CAN'T MAKE NO RHYME
OR REASON OUT OF THIS STUFF.

WILL YOU ALWAYS WONDER
IF THERE'S MORE VICTIMS,

EVEN NOT KNOWING WHAT HAPPENS
WITH THE SEARCH TOMORROW?

I'LL JUST KEEP THE OPTIONS
OPEN, LIKE I ALWAYS HAVE.

AND WE'LL SEE YOU OUT
THERE TOMORROW?

YOU WILL.

YEP.

THANK YOU, MS. MARIA.THANK YOU.

A NEW REVELATION FROM
SERIAL KILLER TODD KOHLHEPP.

WE HAVE LEARNED MORE VICTIMS
COULD BE IN THE UPSTATE.

WHEN THE MORNING
OF THE SEARCH ARRIVES,

I'M STILL NOT SURE IF I THINK
TODD IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

GOT THE NEWSPAPER THIS MORNING.

THIS IS THE
SPARTANBURG HERALD-JOURNAL...

BIG ARTICLE,
"MORE BODIES POSSIBLE."

SHERIFF SAYS, "TODD KOHLHEPP
SAYS HE BURIED

TWO MORE VICTIMS NEAR THE 1-26."

I THINK THERE'S A HIGH LEVEL
OF SKEPTICISM

GOING INTO THIS THAT WE'RE
GONNA FIND ANYTHING TODAY.

BUT I ALSO THINK, HOW DO YOU NOT
TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY

WHEN YOU HAVE A SERIAL KILLER
WHO'S KILLED SEVEN PEOPLE,

TELLING YOU THERE'S TWO MORE?

THE FIRST THING WE SEE
WHEN WE ARRIVE

AT THE SCENE IS THE SHERIFF,

WHO'S HOLDING A PRESS CONFERENCE
FOR OTHER MEDIA

CLAMORING FOR DETAILS ABOUT
WHAT LED TO TODAY'S SEARCH.

THIS TIP IS NOT
COMING DIRECTLY FROM HIM.

YOU GUYS GOT A TIP,
AND THEN WENT TO HIM WITH IT?

WE DID GO TO HIM WITH IT.
HE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO US,

BUT HE'S TALKING
TO SOMEONE ELSE.

FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK
TODD DOES TELL THE TRUTH...

OR AT LEAST, HIS VERSION OF IT.

I THINK HE WAS THE SOLE SHOOTER
AT SUPERBIKE MOTORSPORTS,

AND THAT THE REASON
SOME OF THE EVIDENCE

DOESN'T MATCH HIS CONFESSION
EXACTLY IS BECAUSE HE WASN'T

AS ORGANIZED OF A KILLER AS HE'S
LED US ALL TO BELIEVE.

OR MAYBE HE DOESN'T REMEMBER
THE DETAILS

AS CLEARLY AS HE SAYS HE DOES,
NOW 15 YEARS LATER.

WHEN HE SAYS HE DIDN'T RAPE
KALA, I THINK IN HIS MIND

THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE SHE APPEARED
TO HIM TO BE WILLING.

HE'S UNABLE TO CONSIDER
SHE MIGHT JUST HAVE BEEN DOING

WHAT SHE HAD TO DO TO SURVIVE.

BUT DID HE REALLY DO THIS...

A BLOODY DOUBLE-HOMICIDE
IN AN OPEN-AIR PARKING LOT,

FOLLOWED BY A HURRIED BURIAL
AT A LOCATION

HE CAN'T QUITE RECALL?

I'M NOT SO SURE.

BUT AT EXIT 41 IN ENOREE,
WE NOW HAVE A CHANCE

TO SNIFF OUT THE TRUTH...
LITERALLY.

TELL ME ABOUT YOUR TEAM
THAT'S OUT HERE TODAY.

WE'RE A K-9 UNIT, SOUTH CAROLINA
FOOTHILLS SEARCH & RESCUE.

THE DOGS ARE
ACTUALLY TRAINED ON BONE...

THE ODOR OF THE BONE.

THEY'RE TRAINED ON FLESH, BLOOD,

TISSUES AT ALL DIFFERENT LEVELS
OF DECOMPOSITION.

AS THEY'RE GOING
THROUGH THE WOODS,

YOU'RE INITIALLY GONNA SEE
A CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR.

IT COULD BE A NECK JERK
OR SOMETHING.

THAT'S A FIRST SIGNAL THAT,
"OH, MY DOG IS SMELLING

SOMETHING THAT'S OUT
OF THE ORDINARY."

IN THIS CASE, IT'S 15 YEARS OLD.

YEAH.IS THAT A PROBLEM?

IT DOESN'T MATTER TO THE DOG.

THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE
BELIEVES THIS SITE,

EXIT 41 IN ENOREE,
IS THE MOST-LIKELY LOCATION.

THEY DECIDE TO PLACE
CADAVER DOGS NEAR THE INITIAL

"ROAD ENDS" BARRIER,
AND ALSO IN THE AREA

WHERE THE ROAD ACTUALLY ENDS.

THEY'LL USE A THIRD DOG TEAM
AS NEEDED.

SEARCHING SOUTH CAROLINA
IN THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST

IN THE WOODS IS NO JOKE.

I FEEL LIKE I'M IN, UH,
THE JUNGLE.

YEAH.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR A DEPRESSION

WHERE THE BODIES
COULD'VE BEEN PLACED.

WITH JAMIE WANNEMACHER,
ONE OF THE DOG TEAM HANDLERS,

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR WALLETS,
REMNANTS OF CLOTHING,

AND MOSTLY FOR HER DOG, NOLAN,
AND THE OTHER DOGS TO ALERT...

WHICH IS INDICATED
BY CHANGES IN THEIR BEHAVIOR.

SO, THIS'LL BE THE AREA WHERE
WE KIND OF NEED TO...

- SPREAD?
- 'CAUSE THIS IS A LITTLE EASIER

TO WALK IN.

SO LIKE I SAID, WE'LL KIND OF
GO UP THIS WAY,

AND EVERYBODY ELSE JUST FAN OUT.

THEY'RE JUST GONNA COME BACK
UP THIS WAY.

WE'RE GONNA GO ACROSS THE CREEK
AND WORK LEFT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK
THE CHANCES ARE

OF REALLY FINDING SOMETHING
IN TERRAIN LIKE THIS

THAT IS AS OLD AS 2003?

I MEAN, IF IT'S THERE,
WE SHOULD FIND IT.

OKAY. GOOD.

THERE'S A LOT OF TRASH
THAT'S BEEN LEFT RECENTLY

ALONG THE ROADSIDE NEARBY,
PROBABLY FROM PARTIERS.

BUT THERE'S NOTHING LIKE
THAT FURTHER INTO THE WOODS.

THAT'S WHY SOMETHING STANDS OUT

TO ONE OF JAMIE'S
TEAM MEMBERS UP AHEAD.

WHAT'S HAPPENING?

SHE SAID SHE SEES A PIECE
OF A T-SHIRT

OR SOMETHING KIND OF
COMING OUT OF THE GROUND.

OH.

SAID THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE,
SO WE'LL GO CHECK IT.

NOLAN?

THERE'S A T-SHIRT
STICKING OUT OF THE GROUND.

- WHERE?
- RIGHT THERE.

BUT HE THREW HIS HEAD UP
A COUPLE TIMES IN THAT AREA,

SO MAYBE JUST PULL IT OUT
OF THE GROUND AND SEE.

IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG
TO DETERMINE THAT THE T-SHIRT

SHOWS NO EVIDENCE OF BEING
ASSOCIATED WITH A DEAD BODY.

WE MOVE ON.

HOW MUCH GROUND DO YOU THINK
THAT WE'VE COVERED SO FAR?

UM, PROBABLY A LITTLE OVER
A QUARTER-OF-A-MILE.

OKAY.

I'M GONNA GO DOWN THIS WAY
JUST A LITTLE BIT,

AND THEN WE'LL CUT BACK LEFT.

I'M WONDERING HOW
THE OTHER TEAMS ARE DOING.

THERE ARE DOZENS OF PEOPLE
AND A HANDFUL OF DOGS

SEARCHING THE AREA
AROUND EXIT 41.

HOW'S IT GOING DOWN
AT THE OTHER PART?

HAVE THEY SAID ANYTHING?

WE'RE GONNA WORK THAT WAY.

SO IN THEORY,
WE SHOULD RUN INTO THEM.

A COUPLE HOURS IN, WE DO MEET UP
WITH THE OTHER SEARCH TEAM

HEADING OUR DIRECTION
FROM THE AREA

OF THE "ROAD CLOSED" SIGN,

AND WE FIGURE OUT
WHAT'S LEFT TO SEARCH.

GO DOWN ABOUT ANOTHER 50 YARDS.

JUST WALK STRAIGHT.
GO ABOUT ANOTHER 50 YARDS.

AND I'LL GO ACROSS THE CREEK
AND HEAD LEFT.

AND THEN THAT WAY,
Y'ALL CAN FINISH GOING THAT WAY.

THREE HOURS INTO THE SEARCH,
OUR TEAM HAS NO LUCK

FINDING ANYTHING
THAT MIGHT SUGGEST THERE ARE

OR EVER WERE VICTIMS
BURIED OUT HERE.

BUT WHEN WE GET BACK
TO THE TEAM LEADER,

I FIND OUT ANOTHER TEAM
DID FIND SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT.

WE'VE HAD THREE DOG TEAMS
OUT IN SEPARATE AREAS.

WE HAVE LOCATED
FOUR BONES SO FAR.

EVERYTHING IS CRIMINAL
UNTIL WE DETERMINE IT'S NOT.

THERE'S A SOMBER DISCOVERY.

I'M EAGER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE
BONES FOUND AT ONE OF THE SITES.

COULD THEY BELONG TO ONE
OF TODD KOHLHEPP'S VICTIMS?

WERE THE BONES FOUND
IN ONE OF THE AREAS

WHERE THE DOGS WERE... YEAH,
THEY WERE CLOSE TO IT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE
LOCATED FOUR BONES,

THREE OF WHICH WE'VE
POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED AS ANIMAL.

THAT'S ONE MORE TASK
THAT WE'LL DO THIS AFTERNOON,

IS WE'LL CHECK THAT FOURTH BONE
TO DETERMINE WHAT IT IS.

AS WE WAIT FOR THE RESULTS,
JOHN DOUGLAS AND I TALK.

WE AGREE THAT NO MATTER
WHAT IS FOUND, THAT WE BELIEVE

TODD'S CLAIMS.

SEARCHING BLIND LIKE
WE'VE BEEN DOING

IS NO SUBSTITUTION
FOR HAVING HIM OUT HERE

IN PERSON TO POTENTIALLY
IDENTIFY A BURIAL SITE.

I DON'T THINK HE'S THE TYPE
WHO WANTS TO LIE.

HE NEEDS TODD KOHLHEPP
TO COME OUT HERE, HANDCUFFED,

AND POINT
DIRECTLY TO THE AREA...

WHETHER THIS WAS THE SPOT
OR SOME OTHER SPOT

ALONG THIS INTERSTATE.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
HE KILLED THESE PEOPLE.

HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO IS
GOING TO BE ABLE

TO TAKE INVESTIGATORS THERE.

AND THAT'S GONNA BE UP
TO THE SOLICITOR,

IF WHAT HE REALLY WANTS
IS A DEAL.

SOME POINT MAYBE
DOWN THE LINE HERE,

THEY WILL OFFER HIM SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, THEY WON'T GIVE HIM
THE DEATH PENALTY.

AND, UH, HE'LL FESS UP.

IF THERE ARE OTHER VICTIMS
THAT REALLY ARE OUT THERE,

YOU WANT TO FIND THOSE PEOPLE.

I WANT TO FIND THOSE PEOPLE.

AS WE'RE TALKING,
CAPTAIN COOPER COMES OVER

WITH THE NEWS
WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR,

ABOUT WHETHER THE LAST BONE
FOUND IS ANIMAL OR HUMAN.

WE THOUGHT WE HAD
A POSSIBILITY DOWN THERE.

THEY'VE BEEN ON THE PHONE
WITH THE FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST

FOR THE LAST LITTLE BIT,

AND HE HAS CONFIRMED
IT'S AN ANIMAL BONE.

HE SAID PROBABLY 20 MINUTES,
AND THEY'LL BE WRAPPED UP.

OKAY. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE
THE EXTENT OF IT, THEN.

YEAH, THAT'S IT.

YEAH. YEP.

WE HAD TO RUN OUT WHAT WE HAD.

AND UNLESS WE HAVE SOMETHING
THAT'S A LOT MORE CREDIBLE

THAN WHAT WE
CAME DOWN HERE ON TODAY,

UM, OUR JOB DOWN HERE
IS KIND OF DONE.

DOES IT FEEL LIKE ONE BIG TEASE?

I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT.

UM, HERE'S THE THING.

IS THERE VICTIMS OUT HERE?
ONLY HE KNOWS.

I DECIDE TO TALK TO
GARY GARRETT, TODD'S BIOGRAPHER,

FOR HIS TAKE
ON THE DAY'S EVENTS.

HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING
THE SEARCH COVERAGE?

I HAVE, YEAH. YEAH.

YOU KNOW WE DIDN'T
FIND ANYTHING.

IT WAS DISAPPOINTING,
TO SAY THE LEAST.

IT TOOK ABOUT...
I WOULD SAY FOUR,

FOUR-PLUS HOURS TO FINISH
SEARCHING THE WHOLE AREA.

I THINK WE'RE AT THE END
OF THE LINE,

UNLESS TODD DECIDES
HE'S GONNA COME CLEAN.

MM-HMM.

DO YOU THINK HE'S EVER GOING TO?

I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I TALKED TO HIM,

IT SEEMED HE DIDN'T KNOW
FOR CERTAIN.

HE SAID, "I THINK I MIGHT,
COULD TAKE YOU TO IT."

BUT TALKING ABOUT IT AND TELLING
THE EXACT LOCATION WAS...

SEEMED A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.

DO YOU BELIEVE TODD'S STORY
ABOUT THE HUNT CLUB VICTIMS?

I REALLY DO.

UM, HIS... EVER SINCE HE FIRST
TOLD ME ABOUT IT,

HE'S BEEN VERY CONSISTENT.

I THINK TODD PROBABLY
DID KILL OTHER PEOPLE.

EVEN THOUGH THERE
ARE INCONSISTENCIES

IN TODD'S MEMORY
OF THE SUPERBIKE MURDERS,

JOHN DOUGLAS AND I
BOTH THINK HE REMEMBERS

MORE THAN HE'S LETTING ON
IN THIS CASE.

IF THE HUNT CLUB
APARTMENT VICTIMS

ARE TODD'S FIRST TWO HOMICIDES,

HE WOULD REMEMBER
WHERE HE PUT THE BODIES.

AND IF THE STORY IS TRUE,

HE SPENT MORE TIME
WITH THESE VICTIMS...

CLEANING UP THE SCENE,
TRANSPORTING THEM IN HIS CAR,

AND BURYING THEM...
HOPING THEY'D NEVER BE FOUND.

DO I THINK TODD KOHLHEPP
DOESN'T KNOW EXACTLY

WHERE HE PUT THOSE TWO PEOPLE?

NO WAY.

THE FIRST TWO PEOPLE
THAT HE KILLED...

THE TWO PEOPLE THAT
HE BLAMES FOR HIS SORT OF

ENTIRE DOWNWARD SPIRAL...
HOW DOES HE NOT KNOW?

I DON'T BUY IT.

FOR ME, THIS IS A FRUSTRATING
END TO OVER A YEAR,

YOU KNOW, SPENT TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT, WHAT ELSE DID

TODD KOHLHEPP DO?

IT JUST FEELS SO UNSETTLED,

AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO THINK
THERE MAY NEVER BE CLOSURE.

YEAH.

THAT'S... I JUST SO WISH
IT COULD BE DIFFERENT.

I DO, TOO.

NOW BACK HOME IN MINNEAPOLIS,

I'VE HAD SOME TIME TO THINK OVER
EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED.

I'M LEFT WITH THE STRANGE
FEELING THAT TODD STILL HAS

THE POWER TO CHANGE THIS STORY,

THAT THERE STILL MAY BE
OTHER VICTIMS TO FIND OUT THERE.

BUT WE'LL FIND THEM IF HE'S
IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT.

WHEN TODD MENTIONS WANTING
A DEAL SIGNED BY

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL,
I CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER IF HE'S

GIVING ME A CLUE TO THE TRUE

WHEREABOUTS OF THE HUNT CLUB
APARTMENT VICTIMS.

NOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

VERSUS THE SOLICITOR.

IS THERE A REASON YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

VERSUS THE SOLICITOR
IN THIS CASE?

OKAY.

THAT IS TRUE
AND VERY INTERESTING.

DOES HE WANT THE STATE
ATTORNEY GENERAL TO SIGN A DEAL

INSTEAD OF THE SPARTANBURG
COUNTY SOLICITOR

BECAUSE THE BODIES AREN'T IN
SPARTANBURG COUNTY AFTER ALL?

I FEEL COMPELLED TO ASK TODD
MORE ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY.

DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE
EVEN FURTHER

THAN SPARTANBURG COUNTY?

DO YOU THINK YOU DROVE FURTHER?

AS TODD DESCRIBES THIS LOCATION,

ALL I CAN THINK OF
IS EXIT 54 IN CLINTON.

IT'S THE EXIT THE SHERIFF'S
OFFICE CHOSE NOT TO SEARCH.

BUT I'M NOT NAIVE.

THERE ARE STILL PROBLEMS
WITH TODD'S STORY.

THEY CAN'T FIND ANY MISSING
PEOPLE IN THAT TIMEFRAME.

THERE WEREN'T ANY REPORTS
OF A DISTURBANCE

AT THE HUNT CLUB APARTMENTS.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?

DID YOU PUT THE WALLETS
IN WITH THEM, OR JUST NEVER...?

OKAY. OKAY.

SO IF THEY WERE TO BE
FOUND TODAY,

THEIR WALLETS
WOULD STILL BE THERE.

10 MONTHS AFTER THE SEARCH
WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE,

I GET A NEW LETTER FROM TODD
POSTMARKED MARCH 26, 2019.

IT SEEMS TO CONFIRM SOME
OF MY EARLIER SUSPICIONS

ABOUT WHY HE WANTED THE
SOUTH CAROLINA ATTORNEY GENERAL

TO GIVE HIM IMMUNITY INSTEAD OF

THE SPARTANBURG COUNTY
SOLICITOR.

HE SAYS, "I DON'T TRUST
THE ATTORNEY IN SPARTANBURG,

AND NOT EVERYTHING I DID

ON A VARIETY OF LEVELS
WAS IN SPARTANBURG.

A LOT OF THINGS
I DON'T WANT TO ADMIT TO,

BUT LIKE A LOOSE STRING
ON A SWEATER,

ONCE THEY START PULLING, YOU
NEVER KNOW HOW FAR IT UNRAVELS.

I WAS LOOKING AHEAD TO WHAT ELSE
THEY EVENTUALLY FIND."

I THINK TODD KOHLHEPP
KILLED MORE PEOPLE.

AND I HOPE THAT SOME DAY,
SOMEHOW, THEY'LL BE FOUND.

FOR THE FAMILIES OF HIS
KNOWN VICTIMS,

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE STORIES
OF THEIR LOST LOVED ONES

ARE NOT FORGOTTEN...
THAT THEY LIVE ON.

IT'S LIKE YOU TURN A PAGE
AND START ANOTHER CHAPTER.

THE EVENTS OF WHAT HAD WENT ON,

JUST RELIVING MOMENTS...
IT'S STILL HARD TO BELIEVE.

EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T
FOUND MORE VICTIMS,

I'M STILL STRUCK
BY HOW BRUTALLY HONEST

TODD HAS BEEN WITH ME
ABOUT HIMSELF,

ABOUT HIS MOTIVES,
AND ABOUT HIS REGRETS.

AND HE HAS THEM.

I THINK TODD KOHLHEPP
IS A SERIAL KILLER

WHO SHOULD BE BELIEVED
MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.

HE'S A MURDERER WHO TOLD
HIS MOTHER

HE KILLED MANY MORE PEOPLE.

IS THERE MORE TO DISCOVER?

ONLY TODD KNOWS THE TRUTH.

LET'S HOPE HE DECIDES
TO SHARE IT.

AT LEAST, HE WANTS
TO KEEP TALKING.

I MAY HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES.

I HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING
TO DO TO OCCUPY MY TIME.