Scott & Bailey (2011–2016): Season 3, Episode 4 - Episode #3.4 - full transcript

Helen Bartlett comes to see Janet and tells her that over thirty years ago,as a little girl,her father Joe accidentally killed her brother Michael and forced her to bury him in their cellar. The police actually find two male corpses and DSI Julie Dodson is brought in to head the enquiry,seeing Helen as victim more than offender. More male bodies are found of which Helen claims to know nothing but Joe,on remand for killing Eunice,calls her a liar. Two witnesses come forward - a man who took Helen and her sister in to protect them from their violent parents and a former lodger of the Bevans,one of several young men picked up and abused by them,though he claims Helen was not so innocent. With her house failing to sell and seeing young Rob Masterson promoted to sergeant over her head the last thing Janet wants is Helen,drunk and upset after the press have leaked her identity,arriving at her house at night.

- You know Dom's in prison?
- What do you mean?

He murdered somebody.

your mother was found dead
at home on Peverall Street.

Is there anything else you'd like to
tell me about Michael or Sheila, Joe?

I've said all I know, love.

I'm arresting you on suspicion
of murder.


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500 quid, Mum. Come on!
It's not like you can't afford it.

All right!
Seeing as it's you.

Hang on, Mum.
If you give me Regent Street,

I'll let you off the 1,200.

But on condition you don't sell
Trafalgar Square to Granny.

I'll give you £1,000, Janet,
for Trafalgar Square.

Let me off 1,200,
give me 500 cash

and I won't sell
her Trafalgar Square.

- And I get Regent Street?
- And you get Regent Street.


That's just petty,
small-minded insider dealing.




The woman up the road

told me you lived here and...


I wondered if I could talk to you.

What's it to do with?



The house.

I think my brother... in there.

Buried under the f...
under the floor.

In the cellar.

So how long's she had this idea
he was there?

Ever since she helped
Joe bury him 33 years ago,

when she was 13.

He said...
He said they'd had a fight

and he'd accidentally hit him,

harder than he meant to.

Smacked his head against a wall.

He made me...
help him, then...

he said I
couldn't tell anyone...

about it.

Because, if I did...

I'd be in as much trouble as him.

But then, over the years,

I half convinced meself
it never happened...

..and that I'd dreamt it,
made it up, imagined it.

I just...

I wanted to look.
I wanted to know.

We searched the cellar, presumably,
when Eunice got battered.

Sure, but we were looking
for a murder weapon, not bodies.

She's odd, Helen,
but who wouldn't be.

I didn't disbelieve her.

We should take it seriously.

We hit brick walls every
time we try to trace Michael,

which is odd,

not to find out a damn
thing about somebody

other the fact they were born.

Same with Sheila,
the elder sister.


I'll pull in the CSM,

Forensics and the officer
from the original job.

Then I'll ring the
Resource Centre,

see if we can have a
poke about in the cellar.

- Is it worth taking Helen down there?
- God no!

She offered to
pinpoint where she...

- She offered?
- Yeah.

If you do find anything, you'll be
cautioning her for concealing a burial.

Cautioning her?
But she's the victim.

Well, personally, I'd
say the dead brother,

if he's there, is the victim.

So, now, we don't want her
contaminating it.

We want to prove she's been in
there before, even 33 years ago.

Did you not get her
to draw you a diagram?

I can give her a ring.

Do you remember
Frankie Waddington?

- No.
- Right. Well, his son

is on a fast-track.
He's called Rob Waddington.

He's lovely.
He's just like Frankie.

This is the thing,
He's going to be our new sergeant.

You'll love him.
Everybody will love him.

When he smiles,
it's like the sun coming out.

I want to be his mother.
Me? How nutty is that?

- OK!
- Well, I don't mean that literally, obviously.

I mean, he tried it on with
me a few times, did Frankie.

He did with everyone.

But the feeling
was never mutual.

Frankie? Frankie
Waddington. Hands everywhere.

Rob is arriving at 12.

Show him the ropes.
Bring him up to speed on all the jobs.

He is wet behind the ears,

but he sailed through
his sergeant's exams.

We need to bear in mind he'll be
ACPO rank within ten or 11 years,

so let's try and rise
to the occasion.

- Me mother moved in yesterday.
- Good.

Her house was on the
market for three weeks.

She's had two offers.
How long's ours been on for?

- Seven months and not a dickybird.
- I know.

We can't afford to ask less.

We're already in
negative equity.

Whereas, her and
me dad gave £2,000

for that house in 1972.

So it's a snip for somebody,
what she's asking.

Yeah, course.

The idea was, in my head,
she'd move in.

She'd be there to cook tea
and look after the girls,

not that they need
looking after so much now,

but if I'm ever on lates or...

Plus, I could keep an eye
on her, since her operation,

and, in my head, with that extra bit
of support at home, I could...

Could what?

Rise to the challenge of this...

being a sergeant.

Oh, right.
So what?

Are you going to do it
properly, permanently full-time?

Well, no, because she's
appointed somebody else.

- Frankie Waddington's lad.
- Who's Frankie Waddington?

Oh, he's this old DCI.
Last of the old school.

- That doesn't mean that his boy is...
- No.

- He could be...
- Yep.

- Not that Frankie wasn't nice.
- Old school.

did Godzilla know?

- That was the plan with your mother?
- No. No.

I kept telling her
I didn't want the job.

Only now I'm thinking that extra bit of
cash has been coming in handy every month.

Right. Well, you mistimed
that one then, didn't you?

She's not psychic.

I'm 49 years old and
I live with my mother.

That doesn't sound
good, does it?

So, Sheila -

the sister, the one
that never turned up -

is she buried in
the cellar as well?

It makes you wonder, don't it?

Strictly speaking,

your mother's living with you, so
that doesn't sound as crap, does it?

To be honest with you, I wasn't
even trying that hard in the exam.

Cos, to be honest with you,
there's no future in it, is there?

- Well...
- The police.

- Well...
- Not under this government.

And, to be frank with you,
with this bias towards... women.

Yes! Some of us dare say it.

People, hard working,
dedicated, like me,

are always going to
be at a disadvantage,

and this place is the worst!
I'm telling you.

She has it in for me
because I'm a bloke.

She, more or less, told me.

A few weeks ago.
She said,

"Are you sure MIT is the
right place for you, Kevin?"

And Rachel, who hasn't got two brain
cells to keep each other company,

she's like flavour of the month,
every day. Ain't she?

Hiya. I'm Rob Waddington,
the new sergeant.

Janet Scott, acting sergeant.
How do you do?

- Where's Gill?
- She went out with...

Is it Denice? ..the CSM on the Eunice
Bevan job and a couple of others.

- Have you met everyone?
- Well...

We've got a big court case on...

It's the Doreen Blake murder.

78 years old. Two teenage girls, 13
and 14, suffocated her, trussed her up,

wedged her in a wheelie bin
and dropped her in the canal.

Excuse me.

- DC Bailey. Rachel.
- Nice to meet you.


They've opened up that
house on Peverall Street.

There's a bobby standing
on guard at the gate.


I'm just keeping you up to speed.

Good. Right.
Well, thanks for that!

Oh, I'm more than happy.
I'll let you know if there's
any developments.

Still I expect you'll know
ahead of me, wouldn't you?

- It's possible.
- Well, keep me informed!

Roger. Copy that. Over and out.


Me mother!

She lives with her mother.

- Just come inside.
- How many?

- Hello. Mary Jackson.
- Mary. Good afternoon. It's Gill.

Murray. MIT.

I've got something
that might interest you.

The Eunice Bevan job,
Peverall Street.

We found human remains
in the cellar.

Unless we've unearthed
somebody with three hands,

we're looking at
more than one body.

- What's going on?
- Don't know.

What the hell is she doing here?

Don't know.

Good evening.
Thank you all for staying behind.

I wouldn't have asked you to do

so unless something
significant was going down.

It's starting to look
very much like it is.

Last night, Helen Bartlett -

Eunice and Joe
Bevan's daughter -

alerted us to the fact that she,
under duress, she's telling us,

was forced to assist her father
in burying her brother, Michael,

in the cellar at their house on
Peverall Street 33 years ago.

This afternoon,
we found, in the cellar,

the remains of not one,
but two bodies.

Wasn't there a sister - Sheila?

- Yes. However, Professor Jackson...
- Scary Mary!

Professor Jackson attended the scene
and examined the remains

and she concluded that what
we'd found was, in fact,

the bodies of two male adults,

which wasn't exactly
what we'd anticipated.

Both somewhere between the ages
of 17 and 25.

As a result of this discovery,

and in consultation with the head of MIT
and the Assistant Chief Con,

we have taken the decision to
excavate the rest of the cellar.

This will inevitably
take several days of job,

but, meanwhile, we are starting
the investigation

into what appears, at the least,
to be a double murder.

As such, it's been categorised
as a Class A-plus,

so Detective Superintendent Dodson
is going to be the SIO on this one

and I am going to
be the Deputy SIO.

So, if you've got
any questions before...

So we are anticipating
finding other bodies?

Presumably, that's
why we're excavating.


Along with the fact that, once we realised
there were two bodies there,

along with the fact that we were
anticipating Sheila Bevan being one of them,

and she clearly isn't,

what was found in the grave,
along with the remains,

were ligatures.

Short lengths of rope.
Three so far.

There may be more once the
forensic archaeologist is finished.

They're all approximately
12, 14 inches long

and we're anticipating that they
could have been used to restrain
the victims.

We've also found no zips
or buttons in the grave,

this suggest when they were
buried, they were naked.

We're potentially looking
at something very macabre

and with wide-reaching
repercussions here.

So, yes, sadly,
we are anticipating

the possibility of
finding other remains.

Needless to say, the media will be
all over this big time and soon.

I want you to be ready for them.

Nothing discussed in this building
goes outside this building.

I know you know that,
but let's be clear.

The only person talking to the media
will be the Assistant Chief Con.

Is the search confined
to the cellar, Ma1am?

At the moment, yes.

As that goes on, there's three
areas we need to focus on.

Helen Bartlett needs to be
brought in and interviewed

properly under caution.

- Subsequent to that...
- Ma'am,

are we treating Helen as
a witness or a suspect?

Good question and the answer,
at this stage, is I don't know.

We've got to caution her.
She's admitted committing a criminal offence.

- But...
- Depending on what information

we get from Helen we'll then
talk to her father, Joe Bevan.

He's on remand in Strangeways,
so we can bide our time.

He's not going
anywhere any time soon.

The other main line
of inquiry, of course,

is identifying the two sets
of remains we have unearthed.

DNA will tell us whether
one of them is Michael, but -

At the moment as
regards the other,

we have very little to go on.

When I say "very little", what
I actually mean is... nothing.

- Rob seems nice.
- Who?

The new sergeant.


Hello, Helen.
Can we come in?

Helen, based on the information
you gave me last night,

some of our colleagues have
excavated part of the cellar

at your parents' house
in Peverall Street

and we have found something.

So I have to tell
you at this time,

largely for your own protection,

you're going to be interviewed
under caution and I'm arresting you

for the unlawful burial
of your brother, Michael.

- What?!
- You don't have to say anything,

but it may harm your defence if
you do not mention, when questioned,

- something you rely on in court.
- Helen, we'll get to the bottom of this.

We're talking to
your father very soon,

but we have
procedures we have to follow

when someone's admitted
committing a criminal offence.

I didn't have to tell you anything.

I don't know why I was there,
on my own with him,

in the house in the
middle of the day.

I don't know where she was -
me mother.

Perhaps it was a Saturday.

I had my school uniform on.

I must have come
home for some reason.

I don't know why I
remember that, but I do.

So he was on his own in the house.
Where was he?

The cellar door was open,
which was odd.

Normally, it was locked.

Nobody ever went down
into the cellar.

What happened?

I don't know.

Next thing, I remember
being in the cellar with him.

- Had you never been down there before?
- No.

And he was saying it was
an accident and...

What was it like in the cellar?


You must have been intrigued if
no-one was ever allowed down.


What was it like down there?

He just had a torch.
I don't know.

Wasn't there a proper light?

I assumed it didn't work.

Go on.

He said it was an accident and... was Michael's fault
for arguing and...

Did you see Michael?

He was wrapped in a...

curtain... an old curtain.

How did you know it was him?

- Because me dad told me.
- Did you see him?

- No.
- Did you see his face?

I didn't want to look.

But you had no doubt it was Michael?


Me dad said they'd argued and...

Michael said he
was leaving and... dad wouldn't let him.

the hole in the cellar, the...

had already been dug?


Me dad made me...

put the earth...

He made me...

I had to...

..cover him up...

..with dirt.

And I remember thinking,
"I'm glad it's me..."

"I'm glad it's me doing this.

"At least he's being covered up
by somebody who loves him.

"Not by him."

The bastard!

- Did you tell anyone?
- No.




We're going to take a five-minute
break there, Helen.

This interview is being suspended...

Why DIDN'T she tell someone sooner?

When I was ten this
girl got me on the floor

and kicked me in the fanny. Some
scuzzy bitch from another school.

I felt so ridiculous, so humiliated,

I pretended I'd been
kicked in the stomach

when the grown-ups arrived.

Some things you can't say,
even when you know the words.

Yeah, but 30-odd years?

How's she coming across to you?

- Early to say.
- She worries me.

- Why?
- It just the timing.

Sitting on the
information for so long.

So why now?
If she didn't know the words,

why has she come
up with them now?

Ma'am, you've just had a
call from Denice, the CSM.

She says the GPR shows
other sites in the cellar

where the ground's
been disturbed.

- Good God!
- And from the lab...

there's a DNA match with Joe and
Eunice with the first set of remains -

the one that was on top, but there's
no matches for the second one.

It'd have been a miracle
if it had been, wouldn't ir?

Ask Denice to come in.

Ask her to stand the lads digging
down till tomorrow,

while we work out the order
to approach things.

I'll need a structural engineer.

Don't want the house to start
sagging or I'll be bollocked.

Right, we need to make a decision,
one way or the other, about Helen.

Surely, she's more
use as a witness.

As soon as she got that key
she went straight round there.

What would she have done
if she'd got in?

Was she scared the
house would sell

when her dad was sent down and
somebody would find the body?

Was there something she wanted
to remove that implicates her?

Then she gets there,

realises there's
nothing she can do.

She can't get inside
to move any evidence,

so she thinks she'd
better admit to something,

headed the game,
concoct a story,

damage limitation before somebody
does move in and finds...whatever.

And look at these two lassies
I've got in court right now.

13 and 14 years old,

and they both knew damn
well what they were doing.Mm.

Get back in there with her.

Disclose the fact that we
found more than one body.

Let see how she reacts.

Would it surprise you, Helen,

if I told you that, earlier today,
while excavating the cellar,

we found the remains
of more than one person?

Not our Sheila?

Do you think Sheila
might be buried down there?

At the moment, what we've found are
the remains of two young male adults.

One of them we're assuming, subject
to DNA analysis, is Michael.


The other one, we don't know.

So it's not...not Sheila?

No, it's not Sheila.

- Who is it, then?
- We don't know yet.

She's a witness.

Right. I'm going to speak to the
CPS first thing in the morning

and suggest to them that it isn't
in the public interest to charge
Helen Bartlett.

Early indications from the site

suggest we are looking
at more human remains.

If that is the case,
the workload will go stellar

and I'll be bringing in
a whole other syndicate

to work alongside you.

Tomorrow morning, first thing,

we will be going into Strangeways
and arresting Joe Bevan,

so go home, get some sleep.

I want you here at 7:00am.


Two days ago,

one of our officers was informed
by a member of the public

that she had reason to believe
that there were human remains

buried in a house
on Peverall Street,

in the Littlewood area of Oldham.

I can confirm they are the remains
of two young, adult males.

During the course of the morning,
officers from MMP's
Major Incident Team

will be going into Strangeways Prison
in Manchester to make an arrest.

Are you all right?


My brother's in here.

Can you confirm that
Joseph Bevan's daughter,

Helen Bartlett
has been arrested?

I'll be making further statements
when we have something to tell you.

And there will be an opportunity
to ask questions at some
point later today.

Where have they got Helen
Bartlett's name from?

How do they
know we arrested her?

I don't know, ma'am.

That isn't going to help you
when you speak to the CPS.

What our...

senior investigating officer
is prepared to do, Helen,

this morning, is to ask the CPS
to drop the charges against you.

In return, we'd like
an account of everything

you can remember that
ever went on in that house.

- OK.
- We can't guarantee

the CPS will drop the charges.

We think they will.

If they don't, if they
insist on taking you to trial,

there are things we can do.

We can get it to court quickly.

We can ask the judge for leniency
in light of you having co-operated.

- I want to help.
- OK.


I want to take you back
to when you were 15.

When we were investigating
your mother's death,

if you remember, you said you
hadn't seen her since you were 15,

that you left the
house when you were 15.

Can you remember what happened

that made you leave
when you were 15?


We met Gerry.

Gerry McGonagal.

They've uncovered a third body,
underneath the second one.

Denice has just rung.
I phoned Mary.

She said she can meet you there
at Peverall Street in 35 minutes.

They've not established
a cause of death

on the bodies we
turned up yesterday,

but there are some
indications of dismemberment.

How'd it go?

Fine, except they know we've
arrested Helen Bartlett,

which Karen had skilfully
avoided mentioning.


I'm standing...where
the bodies...have been dug up.

We've no idea how many there are.

We're hoping...
might come forward...

- Ma'am, good afternoon.
- Rob, it's Gill.

We've had a few developments.
I thought I'd bring you up to speed.


We've exposed the other two sites
that show disturbance on the GPR

and we're looking at the
remains of four further bodies.

- Yeah.
- Seven in total.

Professor Jackson's
down there now.

On initial inspection, she's suggesting
they're all young, adult males.


No. No Sheila.
All similar to the others.

- Ligatures...
- Did she?

Evidence of dismemberment.
No evidence of clothing.

I'm not going to remove the
remains to the lab till after dark.

We've got increasing
numbers of photographers

and rubbernecks
gathering outside.

- OK.
- I believe so. Yes.

Where are we up to
interviewing Joe?

Rachel's just gone in with him.

DC Bailey's just gone in with him,

Yes, I have spoken to the CPS
regarding Helen.

They've asked for a few hours
to think things through.

Helen Bartlett's being
extremely co-operative.

But Helen Bartlett's being
extremely co-operative.

- Apparently.
- Good.

- Yeah.
- I will indeed.

Thank you, ma'am.

Perfect! Thank you. Good lad. Ta-ta.

Look at me!
I am...

I'm shaking.
I'm sweating.

An hour in a cellar with four corpses
and I'm cool as a cucumber.

30 seconds on the phone to Karen
Zalinski and I'm a nervous wreck.

Look at me! What's going on?

- You're ridiculous.
- Oh, sod off!

- Rob says Mitch remembered.
- Is it just me?

Does she not have this
effect on everyone?

It's just you.
Mitch remembered.

Mitch was the
exhibits officer -

- No, seriously.
- Seriously.

..The exhibits officer
when Eunice got battered.

He remembered during the search

we picked up a box of
old photos and albums.

Course they weren't especially
relevant when Eunice died.

But now we're trying to identify
people connected with this family,

should we get someone
to go through them,

- possibly with Helen?
- Yes, definitely.

- Good. And -
- I'm not accepting it's just me.

And Comms have been inundated.

People from all over the country

have had family go missing
in the last four decades.

This is what I wanted to avoid.

You can always rely on the media
for a bit of hysteria, can't you?

Karen Zalinski's got a PhD in
clinical forensic psychology,

course she's scary.

Thank you!

If none of these bodies on the cellar
are looking like they're Sheila,

and we've already done
a pretty detailed search

to this building
after Eunice died,

are you thinking what I'm thinking?

We're going to have to tear
the place apart.

So, Joe, based on information
that we received two days ago,

we undertook a search in your
cellar at Peverall Street.

And then we started
excavating the floor.

Can you tell me what you think
we might have found down there?



When did you move into that house, Joe?
Can you remember?

Year we won the World Cup.

How old would Michael be then?


I don't...

I don't...
Seven, eight.

And Sheila?
How old would Sheila be?

She were born in 19...


Joe, how would you respond
if I told you

that we'd found human remains
in the ground beneath the cellar

in your house at Peverall Street?

I don't know.

You don't know?

OK. Well, I have to tell you, Joe,
that we have found human remains

and, through familial DNA,
we've identified that you would appear to be... are,

the father of one of the people
that we've found buried down there.

Do you want to tell me
anything about that, Joe?

- Are you making this up?
- No.

Well, who are they?

Well, as I say, one of them
is one of your children.

- Which one?
- Michael.

Your son, Michael.


We never did know what happened
to Michael.

So the last time
Michael was seen,

apparently, you'd had
an argument with him.

- Do you want to tell me anything about that?
- No!


Who told you that?
Our Helen?

You know you can't believe
a bloody word she says?

Can you tell me when
you last saw Michael?

It were Eunice he argued with.

At it all the time.
I stayed out of it.

Could you talk me

through the last time
you saw Michael alive?

No! I...

I don't remember...


How old would he have been
the last time you saw him?

18, 19.

Did you ever report him missing
to the police?

We always thought he'd just
cleared off.

We didn't think of him as missing.

Joe, did you kill Michael?

- No.
- Do you know who did kill Michael?

- No.
- Did you bury Michael?

- No.
- Do you know who did bury Michael

in your cellar at your house?

Well, I wouldn't put it past
our Helen.

Or our Julie.

Or Eunice.

What makes you say that?

Well, I know it wasn't me.

Would you put it past your Sheila?

Yes, yes.

I don't think she would have
done that.

Why is that?

Why is that, Joe?

What was different
about your Sheila?


She wasn't nasty, same as them.

Joe, how would you
react if I told you...

that Helen told us...

that as a 13-year-old...

she came home from school
early one day, unexpectedly

and found you in the cellar
with Michael, who was already dead?

How would you react to that, Joe?

That you told her that
you'd had an argument with him

and you'd hit him harder
than you intended.

And you'd smacked his head
against a wall in the kitchen

and he'd died.

What would your
response be to that, Joe?

She's a lying little bitch.

She always was.

Any road, if that was the case,

why did she not come straight
to you lot, eh?

And tell somebody...


at the time, eh?

She was 13 years old!

She had a tongue in her head.

Later this afternoon,

following the discovery of the
four further sets of human remains,

the decision was
taken to conduct

a full forensic search
of the entire property.

This will be carried out
over the next few days.

I can confirm a woman
who has been helping us

with our inquiries

was this afternoon
released without charge.

That'll be her.
That'll be Helen.

That woman that came
round here the other night.

My God!

So them bodies have been
in that house since, like,

- before we even moved in here.
- Yeah! That's...

- Yeah.
- Since, like, before we were even born.

Can you imagine growing up in a house
and there's people buried in the cellar?

He must be a right...

- ..bastard.
- It's understood the human remains

unearthed today will be removed
from the house later this evening

and taken to a pathology
lab in the city...

I might just pop out
and buy the Evening News.

..The onerous task
that now lies ahead

for the Manchester

How have they got hold of this?

How the hell on earth
have they got hold of this?!

"Helen Bartlett, pictured, who the
police have released without charge,

"is known to have visited
female prostitutes

"in the Ardwick Road
area of Oldham."

How do they know that?
Who's told 'em?

Her? The prostitute?
I don't think so.

Someone's leaking information.

A case this sensitive,
this high profile,

and one of this lot's
taking backhanders!

- Yeah?
- Ma'am,

you wanted to know when
Gerry McGonagal turned up.

He's downstairs.
DC Broadhurst's going in with him.

I'm trying to
work out a strategy

to prioritise interviewing people
who are ringing in with information.

We have people from
the neighbourhood,

teachers who remember the
Bevan kids from school.

People we should
spend time with, but...

I'm struggling with the
number of officers I've got.

We could do with twice
as many even now...

- You need to use the matrix grid.
- Sorry, ma'am.

Use Janet. Pick her brains.
It's what she's there for.

Yes, ma'am.
Thank you.

I can't imagine anyone on this team
would talk to someone in the media.

That's how they're going to get away with it -
that failure of your imagination.

Sorry. I'm... I'm sorry.
That wasn't fair.

I'm just as disappointed
as you are, if it's true.

What's a matrix grid?
Apparently, I need one.

You've kind of been thrown in at the
deep end with this one, haven't you?

There's a fella been sitting
in reception for nearly two hours.

Says he lodged at the
Bevans' house in the '70s.

I haven't got one single officer
to take his details.

That you should have told me about.
That would have been a priority.

- What, you're going?
- I'll do it.

- You want me to do it?
- Yeah, yeah! Go!

- What's his name?
- Philip Cairns, I think.

They said they
thought he was drunk -

the lads on the desk.


Mr. Cairns?
Mr. Cairns.

I'm Detective Constable Scott.
Would you like to come through?

- We can have a chat.
- Yeah.

So, Gerry, we understand that you
used to know Julie and Helen Bevan?

Well, Helen Bartlett,
as she is now.

- Bartlett? Did she get married?
- No.

No, she changed her name.

- Yeah, I did know 'em.
- How did you meet them?

Woolworth's - I used to work there.

I caught Julie shoplifting
and it were love at first sight.

I persuaded the
boss to let her off.

Said I might have made a mistake.
I hadn't. But you know...

Anyway, I got her phone number
and we started seeing each other.

Then one day,
she turned up bruised.

She said, "It's me dad".

He knocked 'em about,
both of 'em, and worse.

You wouldn't believe the way
they lived.

Shit hole, and I have seen
some shit holes.

I wanted to help her.
She were better than that.

I thought she was.

But I guess if you've lived
like that for long enough.

What do you mean?

I found this flat over Burnley

and we lived together
for 18 months, but...

I couldn't cope with her -

She were wild, violent.


Obsessed with...

With anyone.
That's what I mean.

Why wouldn't you be like that
growing up the way they had?

- Did you know Michael Bevan?
- No.

Did you ever see him?

No, I was always told he'd gone,
moved out, cleared off.

Who told you that?

I don't know. They must have done -
Julie and Helen. I don't remember.

What about Sheila?
They had an older sister.

Same. Never saw her.
She cleared off.

How did they talk about her?


They'd mention stuff she'd done,
stuff she'd said.

She'd rowed with Joe and Eunice
and left. That was it.

People didn't have mobile phones
then, did they?

Didn't Facebook or Twitter.

They couldn't tell everybody
every time they farted,

even if they wanted to.
So, no,

- it was just accepted that she'd gone.
- And what about Helen?

She moved in with us.
This flat in Burnley.

Julie wouldn't go without Helen.

They looked after each other.
They had to. Nobody else did.

Helen were...

I always felt sorry for her.

Julie was noisy. She knew how
to get by, but Helen was quiet.

She had no chance there.

She was just as mad as Julie,
deep down.

Drank, violent...

Sex. Inappropriate, you know.

it took you longer to realise somehow
with Helen, with her being so quiet.

It weren't their fault.

They were nutters, Joe and Eunice.



They lived like pigs.

I lodged there.
I was a lodger.

- He took me in.
- Joe? Joe Bevan?

He picked me up behind
Piccadilly Station.

It was a Monday night, dark.

I had no money or nowhere to go.

17 years old.

He said he'd give
me something to eat

and a bed for the
night in exchange, obviously.

- For?
- Sex.

I did report it at the time,
what happened after.

What DID happen after?

Well, I'd been there a few nights
and then...

Well, one evening they got me drunk.

- Who did?
- Him and her.

- By "him" and "her" you mean...?
- Joe and Eunice.

I think,
whatever I was drinking,

they'd laced it with something,

cos when I woke up,
I felt like shit.

And me arms were tied up.


- Gagged.
- What happened?

- They used me.
- Who did?

All of 'em had a go.
They'd all come in and watch.

In where?

All of them, down in the cellar.

They all knew it was going on,

the little bitches.

That one you arrested -
Helen, the one you let go -

she knew.

They all knew.

Of course, I assumed I was
the only one they'd done it to.

Only, now I'm realising,
with all this stuff coming out...

..that I was lucky.

I was the one that got away.

He did report it at the time.

It was 1977,
January or February.

He remembers that
it was cold, anyway.

He reported it to some
tosser in a uniform,

who thought that
he'd made it up.

He doesn't think anyone even went
and knocked on Joe Bevan's door,

or, if they did,
they didn't get back to him.

He was sexually tortured
over a period of several days.

Had the guts to
report it afterwards

and then we, apparently,
did nothing.

And Helen and Julie were aware
of what was going on?

Oh, more than aware.
According to him, they joined in.

- Under duress?
- Well, that's not what he said.

I think, from the way
he describes it,

that they were so inured in the culture
of the house that they just...

went along with it.

But, if they did,

then it begs the question did
they know about the murders,

were they involved in them?

Certainly, more than Helen's
indicated to us that she was.

Let's see if we can get hold
of his statement...

- from 1970...
- Seven.

Whenever it was.

Let's see exactly what's in it.


Mum, you should go to bed
when I'm working this late.

Well, I would have, but...
we've got a visitor.

Helen, what are you doing here?

- I didn't know where else to go.
- She's been locked out.

Louise, she saw the...


- It was in the paper.
- What was in the paper?

- About me.
- Helen, you shouldn't be here.

How do they know that?
You must have told them.

The police must...
have told them.

We wouldn't do that. We'd never
release information like that
to the press.

Someone did.

Helen, you can't stay here.

I know you have no
other family, but...

You must have friends, a friend,

I was going down the bus station.

But they followed
me, the reporters.

I asked them to leave me
alone, but they wouldn't.

You should have gone to
a police station.

You think that's happening!

That's where we're going now.
Get your things.

I'm not going anywhere.

I'll contact Witness Protection.

We'll try and sort you out a B&B.

- I've got no money.
- Get your things.

Why don't I just stay here?
Just tonight. It's warm.

It's inappropriate.

I'm not going anywhere else.

- Where are the girls?
- In bed.

Will you go upstairs
and stay with them.

- You think I'm dangerous.
- I think you've had a lot to drink.

I'm going to find you a B&B.

You don't have to
worry about money.

Sean! Hello.
It's Janet.

Sorry to be ringing so late.
Can I speak to Rachel?

She's not here.

Right! She must have gone
for a drink with the lads.

- Shall I get her to call you?
- No, no. I'll try her mobile.

- I'm being a nuisance!
- You've had a lot to deal with.

- Hello.
- Rach,

can you come round to our house?

- Now? Why? I'm in bed.
- Are you?


Helen's at my house.
She's got nowhere else to go.

I don't want to ring 999.
She's had a bit to drink.

You couldn't come round
and give me a bit of a lift?

We need to get her into a B&B.


Just give me 15 minutes.

Rach, whose bed ARE you in?


They all underwent
some form of dismemberment.

Can you explain what you
used the cellar for?

- I don't mess up interviews.
- I'm not saying you did, Rachel.

No, I'm saying it!

She's trouble, that one.
I've told you before.

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