Moonshiners (2011–…): Season 8, Episode 7 - Mid-Season Secret Summit - full transcript

Narrator: tonight,
From an undisclosed location,

The moonshiners risk it all
To meet for a secret summit,

Hashing things out
And settling scores.

Mike finally gets to tell his
Side of the story

About the feud with mark
And digger.

So who do you think
Took your still?

These two
Never crossed my mind.

Unless they had
Kelly do it.

It's no pain, no gain,
As one battered moonshiner

Details a lifetime
Of backwoods bodily harm.

Did you ever think,
In a million years,



A nipple will grow back?

-[ laughs ] I don't want to.
-nipples grow back.

Mark and digger see how well
They really know each other.

[ laughter ]this game's rigged.

-it is not!
-there ain't no way.

-I promise.
-I promise you it's not rigged.

Okay, it's a lucky guess.

No, it's not. I mean, I --
Hell, we shop together!

Narrator:
Then, a first-time-ever
Moonshiner showdown

For a "Shot"
At whiskey bragging rights.

I know what tickles my fancy.

Narrator:
Josh, digger and mark,
Tim, and mike sit down

With executive producer
Matthew ostrom to dig into

The stories behind
Their outlaw activities.



Sometimes you just gotta jerk
The slack out,

Get the lead out of your ass,
And let's get to work.

Narrator:
It's all coming up on...

Captions paid for by
Discovery communications

A lot has gone on in just
A short time on the new season,

And tonight we're gonna
Dig into all of it.

Welcome to
"Moonshiners: secret summit."

I'm matthew ostrom,

The executive producer
Of "Moonshiners."

Guys, thank you very much
For being here.

-thanks for having us, man.
-thank you.

-thanks for having us.
-appreciate it.

We've seen a lot,
But let's be honest,

The big story this season
Has been about the bad blood

Between mark, digger,
And mike.

Let's catch the viewers up
On what's been going on.

Mike: I've come down here
And I've found kelly's still.

So I'm gonna retaliate.

Little bit of dynamite.
I'm gonna blow him sky high.

I'mma come in here
And give him a little surprise.

I'd stay right there
If I was you.

This is gonna get ugly.[ flicks lighter ]

[ hisses ]

Digger: what's got you
So damn stirred up, son?

Yinz ain't gonna like this.

-why?
-I ain't got no still.

What do you mean
You ain't got no still?

It's blowed up.

Damn that son of a bitch.Really?

Digger: before we could make
A drop of liquor this year,

We've got a situation
We've got to rectify.

What we need out of you
Right now is we need --

We need him brought to us.

We want mike in front of us.

Do you think
You can get him here?

I hear him.

Well, well.

Howdy, boys.

Ramsey:
Good to see you.

Who told you
To sit down, son?

All right, brother.

That's the first damn time
Anybody's ever told me

I couldn't sit down
Somewhere.

Well, you can
Consider yourself told.

Well, I'm here
To talk to you, brother.

You've got two eyes
And two ears, one mouth.

You're supposed to do
Twice as much listening

And looking
As you are talking.

I want to get this stuff
Over with, you know?

May I sit down?

Go right ahead.

You seem to have pissed right on
Our front steps.

Kelly: why don't you want
To apologize to me?

You thought you was blowing
My still up.

I don't give a damn,
Brother.

You're on my turf, son.

And there's that.

Mark, you wanna remind us
How this all started?

Mike was selling liquor
In our county,

We met,
We had an agreement.

You know, unfortunately,
Mike's still went missing.

And I guess it was just
A good assumption on his part

That kelly had taken it.

And, you know, then things
Really went south then.

He took the time to find
Where the still was,

Not his, but ours,
Which he thought was kelly's,

And, uh, blew it up.

I think he acted in haste.

You know, didn't put
A lot of thought into it.

But, you know, that's the damn
Things that'll really

Get you hurt or in trouble.

What do you have to say?
What's your side?

Yeah, I was selling some liquor
In cocke county.

I wasn't going after
Particular customers.

They was calling me
To come to them,

And I was doing that.

But kelly set me up
With a sale deal.

So I drove over, met kelly,
And here comes mark and digger

Walking in on me in a barn.

And then that's when we,
You know, made the agreement.

And then, obviously,
Just a couple of weeks later,

My still comes up stole.

So who do you think
Took your still?

At this point in time,
You know,

I'm already upset with kelly
For getting them to just

Sneak in on me,
When I would've, you know,

Faced these guys
And talked to 'em.

So is that the issue?

Is that you could've resolved
This face-to-face?

I could have.

Do you feel there was a lot of
People going behind your back?

I thought there was a lot
Of backstabbing going on

With -- with kelly,
You know, pretty much.

I don't have any problem with
These two guys right here.

None whatsoever.

I felt it was kelly
At the point in time.

And when they come in,
We made that deal and stuff,

You know, two weeks later,
My still gets stole.

So, put two and two together.

I mean, at the point in time,
The way I was feeling,

With my emotions running wild
And everything like that,

I could've banked on it,

That kelly done it
Or he had somebody do it.

These two
Never crossed my mind.

Unless
They had kelly do it.

People are saying that
You got off too easy.

What about your county,
Josh?

I don't know, man.

Just everybody takes things
In their own hands

In different ways, but.

Well, you mess with
A man's family

And you're messing with
Your own family.

Yeah. How are the payments
Going to these guys?

Are we on track?

Mike:
We're on track, man.

I'm working
My ass off every day.

Daniel's been, you know,
Kinda scared here and there,

Back and forth about certain
Different things.

But I told him just
To stick with me.

It wasn't his debt
To start with.

And he come on board with me and
And took that debt on, and I --

So, it feels like
There's friction

Between you and daniel,
Right?

Let's just take a look
At those clips.

Let's look at it.

So I made a big,
Badass boo-boo.

I'd stay right there
If I was you.

This is gonna get ugly.

Well, I owe mark
And digger $7,500.

I want to show these boys
That I can get them paid off,

And I'm a man of my word,
So I intend to do just that.

Well, damn.

Right now,
Mike's really pissing me off.

Come on. Let's go.

You know, you can kiss me
Right in the crack of the ass.

How you like that, big boy?

Well, me and that *bleep*
Got *bleep* to do.

Either you gonna work with me
Or you gonna work without me.

Well, I ain't gonna work
With a smartass, either.

I --
I ain't smartassed ya.

You're smartassing me
Right now.

I said
Let's get in a hurry.

Right now,
You're smartassing.

No, you smartassed me.We're both are.

"I ain't gonna get
In no damn hurry."

I ain't goin' to.

He gets in no hurry for nothin'.

It irks my nerves the way
Daniel is just nonchalant.

That's the only way
I can put it.

Really, in all honesty,
This is not my debt.

This is mike's debt.

And I'm sure it's tight on mike,

But there's some things in life
That you can do fast,

And makin' liquor's
Not one of 'em.

God almighty! Damn!

So I understand you're
Being tough on daniel,

But let's be honest, it's not
His debt, it's yourdebt.

That's absolutely correct.

It's not daniel's debt,
But he took it on to help me

And to help me produce
This liquor.

No, you can't run liquor fast,
But in the process

Of getting to point a to point b
To get ready to run your liquor,

Sometimes you just gotta
Jerk the slack out,

Get the lead out of your ass,
And let's get to work.

And I've got a debt to pay off,
And that's what I intend to do.

I've gotta get these men
Right here paid off.

Tim, back in the day,

How would this
Have been resolved?

Uh, well, I mean, if you'da
Been caught, you know,

Then it'd been probably
A physical altercation there.

You know,
If you know where he live,

You know, he may not have
A house to go back to.

You know, it could --
It could get --

Especially how much
Money's involved.

You know, it's always about
The value, too, you know.

There's more of the point
Of what happened,

What took place,
I guess.

-it was the price of education.
-right. Right.

That's more of the point.

Digger: there's been people
That didn't make it home,

Didn't live another minute
Over less of a infraction.

You know, and see,
The thing is about it,

Is I didn't just set out
Intentionally to go

Blow somebody's still up just
Because they was making liquor.

And, you know, it was
A simple fact and reason

That I thought that
Kelly stole my still.

-right.
-I was retaliatin'.

In my mind
And in my heart,

I could'a swore
That's who done it to me.

Right.

If anything else,
The deal would'a went on.

I would'a been giving 'em my
Money, like they asked me to.

But when my still
Come up stolen,

I had it in my mind, "Well,
Somebody's done me dirty.

Somebody stepped on mytoes."
-sure.

"Now it's time for me
To get you back."

Honestly,
The way that it ended up,

The final deal,

The $7,500
Was about three times

What that still was worth.

What we were trying to
Instill in mike,

Was the fact that, you know,
We're really the good guys

In this situation.

I mean, we've advanced
With the times, you know?

Like, say,
30 years ago,

He'd 'a probably woke up
With his pillow on fire.

You know, times have changed,
But really and truly,

In our eyes,
The code hasn't.

It's still there.

You've got to work your way
Into a situation.

It's not for anyone
To come in and say,

"Well, I'm just coming into
This county, too."

It's been kinda that
You come in first

And you're kinda accepted
By a group.

Donnie from parchment, michigan
Asks mike,

"Did you ever think
Mark and digger

Were gonna kill you
For blowing up their still?"

Of course.
You know, I mean,

Not that I'm scared
Of nobody,

But I realized
I had done a bad deed,

And I thought they was gonna be
On my trail to get my hide.

Back in the old days,
I could've very well,

For the stupid mistake
That I made, been strung up.

This one's for tim, from derrick
In gardner, florida.

"Why don't you ever
Wear a shirt?"

First part of the question.
Second part,

"Don't the overalls irritate
Your nipples?"

[ laughter ]

I'm jus-- I'm just
Reading the questions.

[ laughter ]

They do when you ride
A motorcycle.

No, I don't have any problems.

I feel just as comfortable
As I can be.

You know, I've been wearing them
Since I was a kid like this,

So, uh, I guess they just
Wear right in, I guess.

Just tradition.

Yeah, it doesn't bother me
Whatsoever, you know.

I guess nipples
Get calluses too.

It'll toughen them up like
Breastfeeding, in other words.

It toughens 'em up a little bit.
-I-I guess so.

All right.
There you have it.

All right.
More "Secret summit" to come.

Narrator: coming up,
Josh charts every battle scar.

Were you fully concussed?

-concussed?
-yeah.

I don't know.

That, I would say,
Is a yes.

Then, a first-time-ever
Interview

With two legendary
Outlaw shiners.

When the man jumps on your back
And you get away, it's a rush.

It's a rush
That I can't explain.

Narrator: and later,
It's down the hatch

When the shiners go
Shot for shot

On a whiskey-tasting
Challenge.

Tickles the olfactory
As well as the palate.

When "Moonshiners:
Secret summit" returns.

♪♪

Welcome back to
The"Moonshiners" secret summit.

I'm the executive producer,
Matthew ostrom.

And in a little while,
We're gonna test the strength of

Mark and diggers' friendship,
But first,

We're gonna
Talk about josh.

Because season 8 has not been
Kind to you, right?

You've had motorcycle accidents,
Huge medical bills,

A bear ransacked
Your still site.

You're still making more
Moonshine than anybody else

This season.
That's the good news.

Then, all of a sudden,
Red dog pulls the rug

Out from under you,
Right?

-yeah.
-let's take a look.

I was thinking about maybe
Putting some sort of still

In the very front of the trailer
Right here.

-yeah.
-oh, yeah.

To where I could take it
Anywhere I want it.

A mobile still site?A mobile still site.

Josh: I'm gonna be able to
Make liquor and sell liquor

At any biker rally,
At any festival.

Just makes sense to be able
To take my operation

Anywhere I want to go.

There's no better man for
The job other than sid single.

This mobile still unit,
It's never been done before.

Well, I'm a little bit nervous
About hitting the switch.

Here, I'll hit one,
You get the other.

You do one,
And I'll do one.

[ clicks ]all right?

-and we got power.
-yeah.

Fill the worm up.

All right.
Let 'er rip, tater chip.

There you go.
You're running.

It's about time we got to damn
Fill this thing up with mash.

You can feel where it's hot
And where it's cold at.

It's already condensing,

And it won't be long before it
Comes out that worm right there.

I need to go home.

-thank you so much.
-you're welcome.

Explain the thought
Behind going mobile.

All right, well,
Every time I set up,

I spend all this time
Setting up somewhere.

And, lo and behold,
I don't give a dang,

Something comes along
And knocks me out of my spot.

I don't care whether it's trees,
Bears, people, money,

Something comes in my way.

I'm not trying to bring up
Something bad in your past.

-yeah, my trailer burnt?
-yeah.

But your track record
With trailers isn't great.

Well...[ laughs ]

That was kind of a --
Ah, god.

Especially when you're gonna
Light a fire in one on purpose.

All right. Well, just wait
A minute, now. Stop. Stop.

-all right.
-what do y'all want me to do?

Lay down and die?
-no!

I'm just -- we're -- I'm just
Asking the question.

I'm just saying --
-just because I have

A trailer fire and a truck fire
And some other fires

Don't mean that I'm gonna
Have another one.

All right. One thing we've seen
Over the years

Is when fate
Is handing out injuries,

You tend to be
First in line.

So, we've put together
A compilation

Of some of
Your greatest...Breaks.

-great.
-let's take a look.

[ laughter ]

[ wood clatters ]oh!

Josh: you all right?That'll get you a pay cut, now.

Did it hit you in the face?

No. I was too damn fast
For you.

I forgot I didn't have
That finger.

I was using a side grinder,
And when I --

I caught the wheel sideways,
And I was just about to hit

The metal with it again,
But before I ever touched it,

The wheel just blew off of it.

And it pretty much destroyed
My one finger.

I'm just lucky that
It wasn't a lot worse.

It could'a got
Every one of my fingers.

This ain't my *bleep* luck, man.

All my stuff's burning!

Look! Aah!

I got frickin' heat exhaustion,
Heat stroke.

Yeah, I was dizzy.

I got sick to my stomach.

[ retches ]

All I remember
Was getting to the hospital

And people dragging me in.

The rest is pretty much a blur.

Please help me.
I'm so sick.

[ tires screech ]

I went over the handlebars,
Pancaked the pavement,

And tumbled into the wall.

I'm broken six ways from sunday.

Here's my broken nose.

My black eyes.

Six punctured ribs
Are not cool at all.

Ostrom: this is just
The tip of the iceberg,

So I wanted to play
A little game here.

I had a half-sized doll
Of you made.

-oh, my!
-I call it "Little josh."

-god, I thought you cloned him.
-[ indistinct speech ]

-do I look like that?
-yeah, you do.

[ laughter ]

-you need a mirror?
-all right.

So, josh, I want you to go,
Head to toe,

And tell me every body part
You've broken or hurt.

And I'm gonna put
A little red "X" on it.

I got those right here.

I don't know if you've got
Enough x's.

All right, now,
What I want you guys to do

Is I want you to write down
How many red x's you think

I'm gonna put
On little josh.

All right? And we'll find out
Who comes closest.

Just start up top.

Well, I hit my head really hard
On a motorcycle brake,

But I didn't
Crack my skull,

So I ain't gonna start there.
I guess I --

But were you
Fully concussed?

-concussed?
-yeah.

I don't know.

I cussed when I did it.[ laughter ]

That, I would say, is a yes.
Okay.

I broke my nose four times.

I'm putting a four
On that x.

-four x.
-that's four x.

That's a big improvement
Right there.

[ laughter ]

-that'll hold your glasses up.
-thanks a lot.

[ laughter ]so, I fractured my jaw

And I broke my jaw,
So that's twice on my jaw.

Um, let's see.
I broke my collarbone twice.

I got my scapula.
-scapula?

Yeah, it's the bone behind
This shoulder back here.

So I got all these ribs
On this side.

And punctured my lung.

I crushed my hand.
That's like a number four there.

-four times?
-yeah.

-four times.
-yeah.

-okay.
-I broke this wrist once.

I'm gonna be honest --
You didn't break it, it's gone.

I broke it before.

-you broke it?
-yes.

Wait, wait, wait,
We ain't got there yet.

Oh, I'm getting --
Okay, all right.

Wait a minute, now.

If that finger's
No longer there,

Doesn't that nullify
Those injuries?

That's why I brought this.
I feel like we can just --

Which one is -- that one?
-yeah.

There you go.
-out of the way.

-ripped off.
-there we go ripped off.

That's what happened.
-all right.

It's realistic.

I've broke fingers and fingers
And fingers on my hands before,

So I don't even know if you
Wanna claim those.

We'll just let those go.

I'm gonna say 10.

That's pushing it.

You think 10
Is pushing it?

Yeah, let's just
Say four or five

So we can keep it down
To a realistic number.

Oh, yeah.[ laughter ]

-I broke this kneecap in half.
-ohh.

And then I got shot
In this knee.

How'd you get shot?

Gun went off.

That's exactly
How it got shot.

Okay.

The guy drawed down on me
With a pistol,

And I looked at him, I said,
"Damn, are you gonna --"

Before I could say "Shoot me,"
He shot me in the kneecap.

-holy --
-I got stabbed right up in here

Somewhere, right below the
Heart, with a butter knife.

That was a pissed-off
Girlfriend.

I broke my big toe.
-yeah.

And then I broke my side toes.
-okay.

And then I broke my foot.

You said side toes.
That's two.

Yeah, like my pinky toe
And my --

What's the little toe called
Beside that?

That's the other little piggy.
-yeah.

And then, uh, I was riding
Motorcycles one time,

And I was doing about 130 miles
An hour, and for some reason,

My motorcycle locked up.
-okay.

And when it did that, it kinda
Started hopping a little bit,

And then it kicked out
To the side.

When it kicked out,
It did like that.

It sent me flipping
Through the air.

I did have a helmet on,
But I didn't have a shirt on.

-okay.
-and let me tell you something,

That pavement ate me alive,
Buddy.

It ate my shoulder flat.

It tore my tips
Of my fingers off,

The pads out of my hand.

My nipple was dangling by just a
Little old bitty piece of meat.

It was just dangling,
And...

That's street pizza.That's one?

That's street pizza
With a hanging nipple?

I'll give that a one.

The hanging nipple's
A nice touch.

I'd at least give him a two.
-all right, we'll give you it.

Would you ever think,
In a million years,
A nipple would grow back?

-[ laughs ] I don't want to.
-nipples grow back.

Road rash with a missing nipple
That grows back.

I don't know if there's any --
-is that it?

I think that's it.

Got one x left.

All right.
-who wants to buy it?

Nobody is hurting me.
Leave me alone.

Okay.

Our scientific survey
Says 48.

48 major injuries.

Let's start with you,
Mr. Ramsey.

What did you guess?

Hell, I ain't even close.

Before I show you this,
Do you have any objection

To changing your name
From josh to lucky?

[ laughter ]

I said 16.
-16?

Yeah, and I thought I was
Battin' an eye.

Okay. All right.

I didn't count all the doubles
And triples and quadruples.

But 37 is pretty close.

How'd you do -- hold on.
-we talk a lot about injuries.

-okay, tim smith.
-I put the same thing.

-37?
-whoa.

Guess who copied me?

[ laughter ]I'd already turned mine over.

All right. Well, I mean,
I'm gonna give it

To the two of you
At the end of the table,

'cause you came closest.

Josh, I'm glad
You're still with us.

Let's take it easy, okay?

We need you with us.

I can't take it easy.

Listen, here's my thing.

I'm 41 years old,

And I feel like
That my time's running thin,

So I got a lot to do and
A short time to get there,

And if I slow down,
The damn wolves will catch me.

Well, now, let me
Mention this to you --

Mark lost
A nut to cancer.

I don't see him
Smoking cigarettes

Because life's gonna
Pass him by.

Did you want that revealed
On television?

-it already has been.
-oh, I...

There's a lot more to go
With all our moonshiners.

We'll be right back.

...I figured
That wouldn't be appropriate.

Narrator: coming up,
Mark and digger get personal.

This game's rigged.

Hell, we shop together.

Let's keep going.
Come on, we're on a roll.

Narrator: and later, our shiners
Compete in a drinking game

For ultimate bragging rights.

I don't know anything
About anything,

But number one's the best.

Narrator: when "Moonshiners:
Secret summit" returns.

♪♪

Welcome back to the
"Moonshiners" secret summit.

I'm the executive producer,
Matthew ostrom.

And we're joined
By some special guests.

Tim, let's have you
Introduce these fellas.

Well, I think we have two of the
Best moonshiners in probably --

At least the east coast
Of the united states, anyway,

Or maybe even
The whole united states.

Uh, we have
Henry and kenny law here.

They're from
The law family.

The law family's very famous
In our neck of the woods.

Amos law, henry's father here,
Goes way back

As one of the biggest kingpins
On the east coast

Of probably supplying all of
The major cities on this side

Of the united states
With moonshine

For probably,
What, 60 years?

Well, thank you very much
For making the trip

And joining us here.

-thanks for havin' us.
-thank you for invitin' us.

Sure.
You guys, I think,

Have had a pretty tough start
To the season,

Especially when it comes
To the law, right?

-absolutely.
-yeah, let's take --

Let's take a look back
And see what you guys

Have been up against.

[ suspenseful music plays ]

[ birds chirp ]

J.T.: thought I might've
Seen somebody.

I gotta get them outta here.

♪♪

Tim: j.T. Calls me,
And the phone is breaking up.

He's telling me
That he saw somebody.

I gotta get down there.

You know, what if they's gonna
Raid the place?

I just gotta get in there
And see what's going on.

What's going on?
-we're in trouble.

-what are you doing, j.T.?
-we're in trouble.

We're trying to get
This stuff loaded up.

Oh, no, no, no.

I told you,
Don't be in here.

You ain't supposed
To be in here.

-he got close, I mean --
-kenny, get the axe, man.

Let's get out of here.

-we got to roll.
-let's roll.

♪♪

Henry: when an agent comes down
Through the woods,

He's not looking around
For a squirrel up in a tree.

He's creeping down
Through the woods.

Once we find something
Like that,

We have to grab our stuff
And move out.

Tim: get that shotgun.

Let's get the hell
On out of here.

There's no time
To be playing around.

Let's roll.

How long did it take
You guys to get out?

Didn't take long,
You gotta move fast.

The reason we do that is,

Once you cut the still
Like that,

And get down to
The major equipment,

Like the caps and worms,
Stuff like that,

Then the landowner can't be
Charged for manufacturing.

Because it's not
In operational shape.

You have a lot of family history
With the law.

Maybe you can tell me a little
Bit about your experiences.

Well, I went to prison twice.

And first time, it was to
The like of 12,000 gallons.

So, tim, why have you let
J.T. Work with these guys?

Well, um, you know,
It's a thin line, I guess.

There was a period of time when
I was on this side of the fence

Like these guys.

J.T. Was too young

To actually comprehend of what
Is actually going on.

And the only way you gonna get
This knowledge,

Of what we're talking about
Is hands on.

-somebody's gotta teach you.
-yeah.

And you want somebody good,
You know?

-right.
-he's learning the legal way

And the outlaw way
At the same time.

So, was your childhood --

I mean, I've spoken to tim
About his childhood.

He woke up
With the revenuers

Knocking on the door, you know,
When he was 5 years old.

That was his childhood.

As far back as I could
Remember, dad was --

They were raiding our house.

Kickin' doors in,
Drag dad out.

I remember the last time
They got grandpa.

What, he was like 80, 82,
And they come and got him.

We'd visit him in prison,
And daddy'd come out

And go right back to work.

How many generations does it
Go back in your family?

Goes back three generations.

And the fourth generation
Actually was a revenue officer.

-really?
-yeah.

So it started with
A revenue officer?

-that was grandpa's brother.
-yeah.

And it didn't last long.

The story is that he caught
A still place that'd been found

And came down,

And the bootleggers
Followed him down,

The moonshiners
Followed him down,

And there was
A little shootout.

-uh-huh.
-and our great-great-grandmother

Said that's the end of it.

So, when you look at
A still site,

You're not just looking at a
Still site for water source,

For a good place
To put the still,

You're looking at it
And thinking,

"How are they gonna --
How are they gonna raid me?"

-yeah.
-exactly.
-right?

You gotta look
At defense.

Kenny: spot out which way
You're gonna escape.

It's a rush.

It's a rush
That I can't explain.

When a man jumps on your back
And tries to bulldog you

Into the ground,
Whew, and you get away,

It's a good feeling,
Isn't it?

They're only human,
Just like us.

The first instinct for anyone,
If danger's running at you,

Is to, what, run in
The opposite direction.

-right.
-which is the wrong way.

You go out there 100 yards,
And they got them spaced out.

Got about 10 standing out there
Waiting on you.

Wait, so, it's like
They scare you off the site,

Scare you this way,
And it's right into their trap?

Right into their trap.

So, you know, you had to
Destroy your operation inside,

And now you're going
Back into the woods, right?

To re-establish
What you're doing?

-yeah.
-take me through that. How's
That feel? What's that like?

-well...
-it's -- it's terrible.

We got people
Wanting their brandy,

So we had to go outside.

Which is the worst thing in
The world you can do right now.

There's too many people
Outside.

Years ago, that's all we did,
Was work outside.

Yeah,
We hated to work inside

Because we were --
Gettin' away from the law.

In a building,
You can't get away.

You're gonna be caught.

Right.

But now,
Inside is the place to be.

So, as you know --
Mike, he sold shine

In another man's county,
And then, eventually,

He ended up
Blowing up his still.

How would that go down
If that happened to you guys?

To blow up
Someone else's still --

I mean, you know, that's just --
That's unheard of.

But, now, as far as going
Into another county,

If I got customers
In that county,

The county can be mine.

It can be ours.

You know, people try to control
Certain counties and stuff,

Which we pretty much...
-yeah.

Well, we had a run.
-we pretty much did.

-a few times.
-because we made so much liquor.

But as far as saying,
"Okay, I completely control it,"

It's not worth the fight.

It's the difference between
Getting caught with liquor

Than it is blowing something up.
-sure.

-or killing somebody.
-yeah.

It's a big difference.

What about your father's
Generation?

How do you think --
Have times changed?

Yeah,
Time's changed a lot.

Lightening will strike
A lot of buildings,

I remember when
I was a little boy.

Yeah, the guy
Turned a still in.

Did you say lightening struck
A lot of buildings?

Yeah, that's the way we put it,
You know?

I think -- I mean,
We all know what that means.

We got a fire chief
At the table.

We know what
That means, right?

Yeah, the guy -- he pulls
His tobacco the whole season

After reporting us,

And then, about the time come
To sell it,

They had a thunderstorm,
And it hit their barns

And burned up all the tobaccer.
-lot of sugared vehicles.

Lot of sugared vehicles.

We hated it for him.

-yeah, I felt real bad.
-yeah, I mean, you know.

It's a act of nature.
You know, things happen.

All right,
There you have it.

We'll be back with
More "Secret summit"
Right after this.

Narrator: coming up,
Mark and digger's friendship

Is put to the test.

I've been around him for longer
Than I have anybody in my life,

Except my daddy.

And the shiners down whiskey
In a drinking competition

To challenge their taste buds.

Sassy, yet unpretentious.

Plus, a look at what's
Still to come this season.

-well, well, well.
-stand away from that gun.

When "Moonshiners:
Secret summit" returns.

♪♪

Welcome back to
Our "Secret summit."

A reoccurring theme on
"Moonshiners" this year

Is keeping up heritage,
Right?

The moonshiners are all about
Rediscovering old recipes

And creating new recipes.

Mark and digger, I know,
You two, you're working on

An irish sipping cream
That has some heritage in it.

Can you tell me about that?

During a little research
From the 1700s,

When the scots-irish came to
Our part of the country,

We found out
That they indeed

Made a product
Out of maple syrup

That they called
A sipping cream.

Digger suggested we try
To make some of it,

Even though
It's extremely new to us.

It's really
Stepping outside our box.

But we're trying to keep
That tradition alive.

You know,
We're big on heritage.

I mean, we like to keep our
Roots sunk into our corn liquor

And our rye liquor.

But, if you stay static,
Then you're gonna be passed up

In the race.

And, josh, I know
You have a lot of tradition

Around your cherry bounce.

I sure do, man.

My uncle amos
Brought the recipe,

Just like these guys.

He was a scotch-irish,
And the owens family's

Been making cherry bounce
Since the --

Well, ever since they came
To the united states.

Hell, I carry uncle amos
Everywhere I go, so.

All right.

You gonna get a tattoo
Of me on your arm?

Uh, negative,
Ghost rider.

[ laughter ]

-just checkin'.
-okay, words we repeat here

Often are "Heritage," "Loyalty,"
And "Brotherhood."

Nowhere is brotherhood
More evident,

And let's frankly say,
Sometimes a little bit weird,

Than with mark and digger.

Let's take a look.

Mark: I'm a little curious,
Sourpuss.

What have you got
In the little suitcase?

Oh, this little fella
Right here?

-yeah.
-extra pair of panties for you,

In case you pitch one of your
Hissy fits and piss on yourself.

Digger and myself
Been friends for, what, digger?

15, 17 years.

A partnership
That's going to work,

You got to find
The humor in it.

♪ na, na, na, na, na,
Na, na, na, na ♪

♪ na, na, na, na, na,
Na, na, na, na ♪

You know that
Them city fellows are here

When they hear that rafting,
Don't you?

Hell yeah.

-paddle faster.
-paddle faster.

Paddle faster.

You got
A pretty mouth, boy.

[ laughs ]

Everything has got
A little bit of humor in it.

Hell, the first three letters
In funeral is "Fun."

[ both laugh ]

Digger: we enjoy being out here
Working with each other.

I've got by in this business
As long as I have

Simply because I had
Digger for a partner.

Are you *bleep* me?

I wouldn't *bleep* you.
You're my favorite turd.

We're not world travelers,
But, you know, when we're both

In our old years,
I want us both to look back

And have a little chuckle
Over some of the silliness

We've done over the years.

Ah, he completes me.

All r--
[ laughs ]

All right. Well, I mean,
Speaking of that,

We decided we'd come up
With a little bit of a game

To see how well you actually
Know each other.

So, mark,
When you got here tonight,

We asked you
A series of questions.

Now we'll see if digger can
Match mark's answers.

Pressure's on, puss.

Pressure's on.

Ain't nothin' like it.

What would mark choose
For his last meal?

Oh, that's easy.

He would either want
A steak or...

Probably grits
As a side.

He's like me.
We both love grits.

Steak and grits?
All right, let's see.

What did you say?

Damn.

"Steak and grits."

[ laughter ]

That's an odd combination.

Well, now, we both --
We make a dish --

Mark makes it more than I do --
And it's grits and greens.

It's collard greens
Mixed in grits

With about 17 pounds of cheese
In a little 9x10 casserole.

I mean, it's --
It -- delicious.

And steak's just a given.

All right. Second one.
Here we go.

What's mark's biggest
Pet peeve about you?

I fart.

We're gonna go with fart.

All right,
Let's see what we got.

Well, that he does, but I don't
Think that's what I put.

"Thinks he's prettier
Than me."

[ laughter ]

I never think
I'm pretty.

I always tell you
You're a damn handsome man.

Oka-- okay.
Let's keep moving.

What's the one thing the two of
You can never agree on?

We don't disagree.

-nothing?
-nothing.

We talk *bleep* out.

Okay.

Let's see.
What did mark say?

"Agree on everything."

[ laughter ]

-I mean, we don't disagree.
-all right.

I mean, we may not see
Eye to eye, but we talk --

When we get -- you know,
That's a little more simple --

It sounds a little more simple
Than it is.

-yeah.
-we don't see eye to eye

All the time, but --he knows I'm right all the time.

This is true, but we --[ laughs ]

We end up -- you know,
We'll talk about it,

And we end up
In the same place.

Okay. Name a movie
That makes mark cry.

Damn.

Hmm.

"Lassie come home".

Let's see.

[ laughter ]

This game's rigged!

No, it's not!

Let me --
Let me say this --

This game's rigged.

-tell them how you know that.
-I can -- I can you.

The reason I know that --

'cause every time somebody says
"Well, that's sad,"

He said, "No.
You know what's really sad?"

They'll say, "What?"
And he'll say,

"The last 10 minutes
Of 'lassie come home.'"

[ laughs ]
It is not rigged.

-all right.
-I'll promise you that.

I've been around him for longer
Then I have anybody in my life,

Except my daddy.

How many pairs of overalls
Does mark own?

I'm gonna say
At least 20.

Let's take a look.

"20!"

[ laughter ]josh: this game's rigged.

-it is not.
-there ain't no way.

I promise you,
It's not rigged.

Okay, that's a lucky guess.

No, it's not.

I mean, I --
Hell, we shop together!

Let's keep going.
Come on, we're on a roll.

[ laughter ]

Which other moonshiner would
Mark partner with, if not you?

It ain't you.

[ laughter ]

Well, I'd like to get
A little older.

Ugh. Damn.

♪♪

I'm gonna say, because of his
Back-country ways, mark rogers.

Mark rogers.
Let's take a look.

"Mark rogers."

[ laughter ]

Does I know my baby man
Or not?

I would say you two know
Each other very, very well.

All right,
We'll be right back

With more "Secret summit"
After this.

Narrator: coming up,
The answer to a question

We've all been wondering.

Digger's
The coon pecker king.

Narrator:
Plus the first-time-ever
Whiskey-tasting showdown

You've been waiting for.

It was the smoothest flavor,

But I hadn't got
A good buzz on it yet,

So I don't really know
What the outcome is.

Narrator: when "Moonshiners:
Secret summit" returns.

♪♪

In the "Moonshiners" movie,
What celebrity would play you?

Jason stat-hum?
-jason statham.

Jasum -- jason statham

Who would I pick?

Well, realistically, it would
Probably be john goodman.

But --[ laughter ]

But ideally, I'd say, I would
Like it to be tom hardy.

What do you say, digger?

Um, it would have to be
Dom deluise.

-dom [laughs]
-just because the humor factor.

Okay.

I'm gonna go
With wolverine.

The wolverine?

Hugh jackman, wolverine.
I could see that.

Yeah, you got the sideburns,
Too. All right.

Everybody says I look a little
Like johnny depp.

Johnny depp.
All right, there you go.

So I'd like to put that
Out there.

This I a star-studded cast,
People.

Hey.[ laughter ]

♪♪

Welcome back to the
"Moonshiners" secret summit,

In a few minutes,
The shiners will be competing

In a first-time-ever
Whiskey-tasting challenge.

But first,
Viewer mail, guys.

You know.

You've been waiting
For the big questions.

Here we go.
First up,

Tyler in frost, west virginia,
Wants to know,

"Why use a raccoon penis bone
In your shine spout,"

And--
The most important part --

"How do you get them?"

You know, I've known this
Since I was a kid.

You know, this was, you know,
The quintessential tool

Of a moonshiner
In our neck of the woods.

Of course, you know,
Coon huntin'

Was a big deal around there.

Well, the old timers

Even whittled
This little knob off,

And it was the original
Dental tool.

They'd make it sharp, and that's
How they cleaned their teeth.

-no kidding.
-it's ivory, basically.

It's bone
That has no marrow.

When you've got
A perfect stream of liquor,

It's about the size
Of a match stem --

Like a wooden match stem.

Well, if you're
Running it that slow

To make good liquor,

Sometimes it'll
Back around the spout

And miss your catch jug

Or whatever vessel
You catch it in.

Well, if you put this
In the worm,

The liquor'll strike
This bone right here

And it'll follow that crook
Right down,

And you can put your liquor
Right in the neck

Of a coca-cola bottle.

So, the real question,
Though, is, mike,

How do you get
One of these?

-well, you've got to hu--
-first you gotta kill the coon.

You gotta kill the coon,
You gotta hunt the coon,

And, uh, skin it out.

And those were made for maybe
A 1/2-inch or a 3/4 worm.

But that one right there
Is made for a 1-inch worm.

That's -- that's
A man rod right there.

I mean, that right there
Was a hell of a man.

Now, mark'll back me up on this.
We don't kill our coons.

-yeah.
-we take donors.

We see 'em on the side
Of the road.

Yeah. Hell, the road's just
Laying full of them.

Just stop and pick one out.
-we don't have to kill 'em.

-pick you one out.
-right.

You just look and give them
A little kick with your foot,

And you can tell in an instant
Whether they're a boy or girl.

-that is right.
-anybody that wants to

Try this at home, to get 'em
One laying in the road,

Digger's
The coon pecker king.

If it's already laying over
On its back,

Don't waste your time,
Digger's done been there.

All right, in just a second,
Our shiners are going to

Put their taste buds
To the test

In our first-ever
Whiskey showdown,

But first, here's a look
At what's in store

For the second half
Of the season.

Let's take a look.

Josh: here I am,
Going to an indian reservation.

Alcohol's kind of forbidden
Around the reservation,

But as long as I can
Stay out of trouble,

I can make some money.

Taylor: josh taylor, tribal ale.
How are you?

Josh:
I'm josh owens.

-I know who you are.
-your reputation precedes you.

This is what separates the boys
From the men, right here.

Hold, hold,
Hold it, hold it.

[ whirring ]

-chopper.
-damn straight it's a chopper.

-there's the law right there.
-we need to stay calm.

Man: oh, god, no.

You ever peed on a damn
Electric fence before?

[ laughs ]

Yeah, we've got a leak.

Henry: you lose mash,
You lose whiskey.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

♪♪

You fittin'
To come up with more?

I'm trying. You know,
I'm trying my hardest.

Hey, what's going on, tim?

I'm thinking
I get you closer up here

And we can
Work on something.

I can make moonshine
And be outta here?

That sounds good to me.

-well, well, well.
-hand away from that gun.

It's time
For the first-ever

"Moonshiners"
Taste bud challenge.

We've seen our moonshiners
Make endless varieties of shine.

These men are experts
At their craft,

So I thought I'd put
Their taste buds to the test.

One's a $20 bottle,

One's a $60 bottle,

And one is
A $120 bottle of bourbon.

I want you to
Take a sip of all three

And tell me which one's
The most expensive.

♪♪

What are you guys looking for
Right now?

Well, you're looking for one
That's not heavily oaked.

Not too heavy,
But aged well.

I'm looking at the color.

You know, to see the difference
In the char.

I'm not a bourbon drinker
On a big scale.

-what?
-right.

But I know what
Tickles my fancy.

-right.
-you know.

I don't know anything
About anything,

But number one's the best.

Sassy, yet unpretentious.

Tickles the olfactory
As well as the palate.

All right, guys,
Moment of truth.

Answers are in.

Tim, you're going with
Number one?

Yes, that's my order.
I'm going one, three, two.

Okay.

Mark?
-I also went with number one.

Matt, it just seemed smoother
And just more mellow.

Okay, digger?
You're going number one?

Mm-hmm,
Just because he did.

Josh?
Just because he did?

Well, I-I picked number one

Because it was
The smoothest flavor,

But I hadn't got
A good buzz on it yet,

So I don't really know
What the outcome is.

-okay.
-I imagine that,

Because number three
Tastes the worst,

It's probably
The most expensive.

[ laughs ]

Mike, what do you got?
You're going one?

And myself, I'm going
One, three, and two.

Because I'm with them.

All right, here it is,
The moment of truth.

Number three
Is the least expensive.

Good.

The most expensive...

Number two.

Number two.[ laughter ]

But number one
Tastes the best.

But this is why
You guys make moonshine.

-that's the worst one.
-that's the worst one.

Yeah, the most expensive's
The worst one.

All right, now that
You've all started drinking,

I think it's a good time
To wrap things up.

Shiners, thank you very much
For taking all the risk

To be here tonight.

Fans, stay tuned because
There's a new episode

Of "Moonshiners"
Coming up right now.