Maxine (2022–…): Season 1, Episode 3 - Episode #1.3 - full transcript
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Two ten-year-old girls went
missing yesterday evening
in Soham, Cambridgeshire. It's
Holly and Jessica from my class.
They came by our house.
I-I-I spoke to them.
I'll say I was here.
You were here. I
was in the bath.
A 28-year-old man and
a 25-year-old woman
have been taken to help the
police with our enquiries.
Maxine Carr, I am arresting you on
suspicion of abduction and murder.
No, no!
They're not dead, though. How
do you know if they're dead?
INSECTS BUZZ
MAN COUGHS
Oh, God! Oh, my God.
Oh! Police!
Two bodies have been found.
I want to change my statement.
I said I was in
Soham that weekend...
..but I wasn't.
I was in Grimsby.
He told me last night, "If they
arrest you, tell the truth."
So I am now, and I
am sorry I did lie,
but only to stop Ian being accused
when he's done nothing, and...
And it's better for you to
go and find the real person.
The real person?
Who's done it.
This'll be read out in
front of the church.
"I suggest that we pause
for a moment of silence
"in memory of these
two little girls.
"The heartfelt sympathy of
the whole police service
"goes out to Holly's
parents and brother
"and to Jessica's parents and
sisters at this ghastly time.
"A man and a woman are under
arrest for their murder."
Has Ian ever expressed
interest in children?
Yeah.
We wanna start a family.
I mean a sexual interest.
No, that's disgusting.
He says them people want
shooting or castrating,
like what everyone says.
See, I know him, better than
anyone, better even than his mum.
And he couldn't have done
what you're saying he's done
and then carry on as normal.
He couldn't... unless
you helped him.
I didn't bloody help him.
You did. You admit it.
You lied for him. Because
I know he's innocent.
You cleaned his house.
It's my flaming house!
I'm the cleaner!
What, am I not allowed to
clean my own house now?
And even now Sadie's in season,
you know, spreading everywhere.
What, just leave it?
Well, you think that I'd
get on my hands and knees
and scrub something that
I knew had happened?
Well, would you?
No, I bloody wouldn't.
I haven't got anything
at all to do with this
and he ain't got nowt either.
We can tie him to
the girls' clothes.
We found their bodies
dumped in a ditch
where we now know he
goes plane-spotting.
It's not nice to think of children
you know, that you've hugged.
It wasn't him.
Come on, Maxine. You're
wearing blinkers.
I'm not wearing blinkers.
You are. I'm not!
Well, we have to tell you
that he has now been charged
formally charged, with the
two murders of Holly Wells
and Jessica Chapman.
Mm-mm.
No! SHE SOBS
No!
SOBS: He can't have.
He can't have!
SHE SOBS
Maxine, over here! SHOUTING
MAGISTRATE: Maxine Ann
Carr, you have been charged
with conspiring to pervert
the course of justice
by lying about your
whereabouts on August 4th
and August 5th of this year.
You will be remanded in custody at
Holloway Prison until your trial.
ON TV: "How has this happened?"
This is the question and
thought that one can see
on all the faces in Soham.
It is not just the locals
who are wondering this
but the many hundreds of
visitors who have travelled
from far and wide to the
small Cambridgeshire village
to sign books of condolence.
The long queue that forms
outside St Andrews Church
is a quiet and
sombre procession.
Hey. Hey. You seen all
the flowers at the church?
Yeah, amazing. They just
keep coming, don't they?
It's like Diana.
National grief and rage.
Yeah.
You see the Attorney
General's warning? Yeah.
"Condemn Huntley or Carr in print
and you jeopardise the trial."
Outrageous! Protect
press freedom.
What, to publish, "My
kinky night with Maxine"?
Get the feeling you
want to defend her.
What, like a damsel in distress?
No, no, I just...
I don't wanna see her
get torn limb from limb.
She's not the one who's
been charged with murder.
Mm.
Well, Soham will be
glad to see us gone. Mm.
You off back to London?
Maybe one more
trip up to Grimsby.
OK, well, maybe see you
next year at the trial.
Yeah. Hey, before you
go, if you were me,
how would you approach
the bereaved families?
I wouldn't. People want
to hear their story.
And so, reluctant as you are
to intrude on private grief...
I can offer big money.
Sorry. Wish I could help you.
No, you don't.
INMATE: Maxine! Hey!
We're going to get you!
SECOND INMATE: You
hurt kids, we hurt you.
SHOUTING CONTINUES
ON PHONE: Ian should
be standing up for you.
Ian wasn't even at the court.
He's not well enough, mentally.
Oh, so he's left you
to carry the can.
It's not his fault,
Mum! He's traumatised.
And no wonder - being blamed
for something he's never done.
Right.
His worst nightmare come true.
POUNDING ON DOOR
Come on, Shirley!
Let's have an interview!
My neighbour's told the police
she saw you and Ian looking in the
boot of his car and you were crying.
KNOCK ON DOOR
And there's reporters
knocking, day and night.
Maxine? Maxine?
So she saw me crying.
It's not a crime to cry.
No, but the question arises,
"Why were you crying?"
Are we to believe that
you never suspected
Ian could have killed
Holly and Jessica?
Correct.
Not for a second. Not
in a million years.
And now?
He's being framed.
Someone else put their clothes in
that hangar and them in that ditch.
Well, I have to tell
you that's a theory
a jury may find hard to
believe. He didn't kill them.
OK. What you will say
is that all you know,
the only thing he told you, is
what he told everybody else.
He talked to the girls
outside the house
and then they walked away.
Correct.
REPORTER: Ely Cathedral
has been a site of prayer
stretching back many centuries.
Today, it was a place of
mourning for the people of Soham.
Hundreds travelled
from the small village
to pay their respects
and share their grief.
They were joined on the
journey by two families,
their fellow townsfolk,
two families who have
lost beloved daughters
in the inexplicable tragedy.
"Dear Ian, I think about
marrying you every day.
"I love you, Ian, and I miss
you with my whole heart.
"Your letters are what are
keeping me going in here.
"Soon, we'll be together
again, my love."
Huntley's been transferred to prison
and declared fit to stand trial.
Oh, and by the way,
his phone records show
he was trying to cheat on Carr
that weekend but had no luck.
Right. She won't like that.
How are we doing putting
the girls in the house?
Working on forensics, but it's
been so thoroughly cleaned.
By the immaculate Miss Carr.
Who worked franticly to remove all
traces while claiming, like him,
the girls never went inside.
We need to refute that.
We need them in there.
SHE RETCHES
SHE RETCHES
"Dear Ian, why are you not
responding to my letters?
"Is it true what my
solicitor told me?
"Were you trying to see another woman on
Saturday night when I was in Grimsby?"
Thank you. That was very nice.
"After everything I've
done, it's not fair."
I'm worried, Lynda.
It's been two months. Is
he getting my letters?
ON PHONE: I'll ask him
when I see him, darling.
I know it's hard.
So, that weekend...
..was it the Monday he
called you to discuss lying?
Yeah, he said he
wanted me to come home.
He says, "There's kids gone
missing," and the thing is...
The thing is?
The bad thing is...
..they came in our house.
They came in the
house? Yeah, they did.
One of them had a nosebleed.
You know I've had blackouts.
But I remember now why
they came into the house.
I... I don't know if
Maxine told you that.
No. No, she...
She didn't, lovey.
One of them had a nosebleed.
But on the CCTV
thing on the telly...
..they're leaving the sports
centre just before getting to you
and none of them have
a nosebleed then.
Well, no, that's
because it started
when she was talking
to me about Maxine.
And they say they found fibres
from the football shirts
in the boot of my car.
That's because the girls
sat on the edge of it when I
went indoors to get tissue.
So the boot was open?
Yeah. And the bleeding didn't
stop and I said, "Come in."
I haven't done this, Mum.
Cos I remember them
leaving my house.
Well, if you're adamant
on that... I am adamant.
I am 100% remembering them
girls leaving my house.
And would I be
physically capable
of restraining two
healthy young girls?
Yeah, it's not like
you're a 15st guy.
Well, I am 12st and fit.
But, yeah, question is,
was someone following them?
Don't look at me like that.
What I need...
What I need from you lot is some
bloody faith and confidence in me.
I am telling you the truth, Mum,
as best I can, what I remember.
I don't ever want you to think
that I might have done this -
because I haven't. I
could never hurt anybody.
I never have, I never will.
Finally, I am telling you this,
about them coming into the house.
I weren't gonna, but I felt...
..that's the risk I had to take
just to put your mind at rest.
Thank you.
ON RECORDING: Don't say anything,
Mum. It will give the police time
to counteract everything I'm saying
and build the case against me.
The girls are in the house.
CLATTER
The papers are calling
it a suicide attempt?
"She's guilty and she
can't live with it."
It's my eating disorder,
I can't help it!
Well, yes, there should
be some... sympathy.
I'm like Princess Diana.
So, things have
changed a little bit.
The prosecution have tape recordings
of you talking to Ian's mother Lynda
over the phone.
What? That can't be legal.
Recording a private
conversation? That's shocking.
Well, it is legal, I'm afraid,
and they have you admitting to
knowing the girls were in the house.
So, as well as conspiring to
pervert the course of justice,
you're also being charged
with assisting an offender.
But I haven't
assisted an offender.
You cleaned the house,
hid the traces of two dead
young girls, girls you knew,
making you in the eyes of many
as bad as him, or even worse.
He's not bad. They
went in the house.
They went out again,
on their merry way.
Really? Because if they
didn't... They did.
..your life together is over.
Acknowledge he's done what he's
done and distance yourself from him
and you can still
survive. Ian's not a...
He's not interested
in young girls.
He's got no whatsit -
no previous, no history.
That's not true.
What I'm about to tell you can't
be used in court against him.
Enquiries through Humberside
Police and social services
are revealing several cases
against him involving sex
with underage girls
whilst in his 20s.
These are girls he groomed,
one as young as 13,
and allegations of rape.
He took a girl for a
walk in an orchard,
where she says he sexually
assaulted her, when he was 24...
..and she was 11.
Let people see - he's
the monster, not you.
SHE SOBS
SOBBING CONTINUES
I think I've made a
huge mistake, Mum.
CRIES: I thought he was the best
thing that ever happened to me.
Tell anyone who asks it's over.
She wrote to the prison
governor. It was read out to me -
"I no longer wish to have any
communication with Mr Ian Huntley."
Oh, Ian, that's all you need.
Yeah.
What a fucking bitch.
So we now have fibre transfers
to and from the football shirts.
And thanks to Pat, pollen from the
deposition site on Huntley's shoes,
car footwells and petrol can.
Plus, chalk from the track caught
under the car. PHONE VIBRATES
And the fact that he changed
all four tyres on the Monday,
that'll speak to the jury.
I'll share duties with
Karim in court. What?
Well, how did he do it?
He's on suicide watch.
Huntley's taken an overdose.
He sees this as his only option,
testament to the
work we're all doing.
So we keep doing it and
pray he pulls through.
He can't escape justice.
REPORTER: It's a short journey
for Huntley from hospital
back to Woodhill Prison, where he
will again be put on suicide watch.
He will spend the next
number of days and nights
in the hospital wing.
The Home Secretary has demanded
that the Prison Service...
It's all over the news.
Have you seen it? Oh,
love, it's terrible.
Typical him, Mum.
Trying to take the easy way out,
leaving me to carry the can.
Too bad, Ian.
Didn't work.
Tough fucking luck.
I'll see you in court.
Thanks for meeting me. Still
waiting for that scoop?
Eve of the trial, emotions running
high, maybe a chink opens up.
And then you pounce, yeah?
That's my job.
The judge rejected
the defence claim.
They've already been
convicted by the media.
But he still criticised them.
Them?
Us.
So the editors just ignore
the sub judice laws, do they?
No, not totally.
And all this stuff coming out now
about Huntley's past in Humberside,
we're sitting on it
until after the trial.
Mm. The authorities are
going to get roasted.
They weren't communicating.
Police, social
services, schools.
How did he get a job as a school
caretaker with his history?
No actual convictions.
There was one
though, for burglary.
I mean, that should have flagged
up and barred him from the job.
All those other
complaints though.
I mean, all those girls.
Mm, I mean it needs
a public inquiry.
Needs a whole new system.
You're not coming down
to cover the trial?
I'm not allowed
to. I'm a witness.
Of course. You met them.
Mm. I talked to his parents.
They showed me this Christmas
card Maxine sent them
after she dumped him.
"I shared my life, my bed and
all my dreams with that man.
"I have been living a lie."
Wow. Tragic heroine.
Rehearsal for the courtroom.
Now, a warning to media.
Report this trial
dispassionately,
or jeopardise it.
Do not describe emotion.
The Crown may present
it's opening statement.
It may not be disputed that
Carr provided a false account
of Huntley's movements
that Sunday night,
but we have to prove
that she did so knowing,
or believing that he had a hand
in the killing of the girls.
She lied and covered up for him.
Forensically cleaned
the house of the man
who murdered two
ten-year-old girls.
The man who dumped and burned
their bodies in a ditch.
You say there was
significant press presence,
hundreds of reporters every day.
Did this put a strain on
the caretaker at the school?
He did seem stressed.
He said he felt harassed
by the press and...
..by the daily press conferences
the police were holding.
And one time asked me if
they could be held elsewhere.
And you appointed him?
Correct.
Would you say he struck you
as a very good candidate
when you appointed him?
Yes. He did.
And that's a decision
I live with every day.
That's all.
Thank you.
All done.
Love you. Love you.
How did Miss Carr seem
when you spoke to her?
Smiling.
Cheerful, friendly.
Eager to help.
And what about Mr Huntley?
He was very wary.
He refused to have
his photo taken.
She was much more convincing.
Happy to pose with the
card Holly had made her.
So when she told me she was
in the house, in the bath,
when the girls came by...
..it was easy to believe her.
God, I can't do anything right.
She was too close to the kids. They
loved her too much. Ooh, sorry.
And that reporter, the
press, they sweet-talk you,
they manipulate you
to get what they want.
You know, they say I'm
bad. They're worse.
You're doing well in there.
Keeping calm. Used to it.
You know, be nice, look nice.
No-one likes you when you're mad.
So swallow it.
You should be prepared for the discoveries
of the bodies and the pathologist's evidence.
It could be quite upsetting.
Should I not get upset?
No, it's fine to get upset.
Shows you care.
You the jury have been
provided with evidence packs?
Could you please refer to the
pathologists report by Dr Nat Carey?
As you have told the court,
the bodies exposed for so long were
too badly decomposed even for you,
an experienced pathologist to
determine the cause of death.
But the skulls and
skeletons revealed no signs
of blunt force
trauma or stabbing.
Which leaves us with?
Something involving interference
with the mechanism of breathing.
Such as?
Strangulation or smothering.
And as for sexual assault?
Due to decomposition I cannot,
from the physical findings,
confirm or refute
that possibility.
Thank you, Dr Cary.
Erm...
My Lord, my client would be
grateful for a very short break.
Very well, Mr Coward.
This is the last time Mr
Huntley will be permitted
to disrupt the court.
The court will
reconvene in 15 minutes.
Should possible causes of
death not include drowning?
Yes, it should be on the list.
Thank you.
I'm going to put to
you my client's account
of what actually happened
on 4th of August last year.
At the material time Holly
Wells had a nosebleed.
And because it wouldn't stop,
she and Jessica and the
defendant, Mr Huntley,
went up to the bathroom,
where the girls sat on
the edge of the bath
while he cooled pieces of toilet
paper under the tap in the basin
and handed them to Holly.
And on one of his
turns, he slipped.
And it seems he may well have banged
into her and she went backwards.
He has no recollection of a bang,
but he does remember a splash.
When Holly went into the bath,
which had roughly 18
inches of water in it
because Mr Huntley was
going to wash the dog,
Jessica started screaming, "You
pushed her, you pushed her!"
He then turned towards Jessica
putting his hand, or hands out,
his memory is, over her
mouth, to stop her screaming.
He let her go and she
went to the ground.
He then lifted Holly
out of the bath...
..and looked for signs of
breathing and found none.
He turned his attention
towards Jessica,
looked for signs of
breathing and found none.
That is the whole account.
I don't believe a word of it.
As an experienced pathologist,
I find it wholly implausible
that Jessica could have been
smothered to death as described.
And as to the suggested
drowning of Holly,
I measured the bath overnight.
The overflow is 11 inches.
Even if that was blocked,
the depth you mentioned
of 18 is unrealistic.
And at a depth of barely a foot,
total immersion of the nose and
mouth through a passive accident
is very unlikely.
And the nose, we are
told, is bleeding.
And she is fully clothed.
So there would be blood in
the water soaking the clothes.
Even extremely diluted,
this would be detectable.
None was.
And why no rescue?
Accidental drownings in bathrooms
tend to be solitary affairs
because, by definition...
..human beings
rescue one another.
What's he like? Trying to get off
murder with a story like that.
"It was an accident, it was
only..." What is it? Manslaughter.
The evidence suggests that if the
bodies had been less decomposed
it might be clearer
what happened.
Some people may
blame you for that
because your lies
delayed his arrest.
But his arrest didn't
lead to the bodies.
They were found by accident.
And he'd never have admitted
where they were, so...
Not as thick as I look.
I was knelt down on the
doorstep, brushing Sadie,
directly behind the car.
I heard two voices
and I stood up to look
and there was two girls in
football tops stood there.
They asked me how Miss Carr was
and I found that quite funny
because I weren't used to hearing
Maxine referred to in that way.
I noticed Holly put
her hand up to her face
and there was some blood
on it and under her nose.
I asked if she would
like some tissue.
To which she replied,
"Yes, please".
So what did you do?
I said, "Plonk your bums on
there and I'll get you some."
Could you repeat that?
A lot of us didn't get that.
Yes, erm...
I said, "Plonk your
bums on there."
Plonk your bums there?
Yes.
On the rim of my boot.
What did you do with Sadie?
Secured her in the
downstairs toilet.
You came out and gave
the tissue to Holly.
Did it do the trick?
Sorry?
Did it stop the bleeding?
No.
So what happened next?
It was threatening rain and if
anything it was getting worse.
So, I... I said, "Would you like to come
inside and put some wet tissue on the nose?"
What did they say?
They said yes.
You returned home after
depositing the bodies.
Then what did you do?
Had several cigarettes.
And what were you thinking?
What have I done?
Have you ever told Maxine what
you've told us here today?
I wanted to.
But I couldn't.
You approached Holly's
father, Kevin Wells,
near the school three days
after she disappeared.
You said, "I'm sorry Kev, I
didn't know it was your daughter.
"I hope they come home soon".
What should we call that?
An apology? Inexcusable?
Yes.
Like this story you've come
up with to fit the evidence.
What does a ten-year-old girl
do when she's got a nosebleed
and is a few hundred
yards from home?
I can't speak for the mind
of ten-year-old girls.
Go into a stranger's house? Did you
tell them that Maxine was inside?
No. You knew, as
school caretaker,
you were forbidden from having
schoolchildren in your house?
Yes. And yet you
invited them in.
Yes.
You have been telling lies from start
to finish in this case, haven't you?
You say you somehow
suffocated Jessica,
trying to stop her
from screaming.
Screaming because you
were murdering Holly? No.
And when you accidentally knocked her into the
bath, why couldn't you just reach out and help her?
That would have
been the normal...
In these circumstances it is very
rational to know what you were doing.
In those circumstances
it is not so rational.
Believe me, I know.
You can get very angry,
can't you, Mr Huntley?
That's because you...
You have your opinion.
Did you lose your temper with one
of the girls that Sunday evening?
Did you become the assertive
individual that you became just now?
You lied to the journalists.
You lied to the police?
Yes, sir, I did.
You now admit you knew a lot.
The girls had been in the
house, which he'd cleaned.
The car, too.
There was bedding in
the washing machine.
He was the last person to see
them and he wanted you to lie.
And yet, you claim
you had no suspicions?
Suspicions he had a
woman round, maybe.
But no, not that.
You claim that all the
guilt should be his to bear
and you should go scot-free?
I know exactly what
I've done, sir.
And I cannot be blamed for
what that thing in the box
has done to me or
those children.
It is noticeable, Miss Carr, how
much you embellished your lies
to the press and the police
to make them more convincing.
Not only were you in the
house, but you were in the bath
and "wished I had popped out
and had a chat with the girls".
I do wish though
I had been there.
I'll be feeling
very guilty, sir,
for a long, long time
that if I was there
I could have stopped
them from dying.
You were so obsessed by him
and so obsessed with
preserving your relationship
and your home and your future,
that you had to divert
attention away from him.
Only because I truly
believed he was innocent.
Mr Latham has suggested to you
that by that Tuesday
evening, the 6th,
you had worked it out that
the children were dead... No.
..and that Ian Huntley
was responsible. No.
Now, let's just examine that.
Did you sleep in the same bed as
Ian Huntley on that Tuesday night?
Yes. And all the following days?
Yeah.
Mm.
Would you have been in the same
bed if you believed for a moment
that he had killed
those children?
I wouldn't be in the same house.
No further questions.
The court will take a break
and reconvene in 30 minutes.
You should fucking hang!
You bastard!
Given you admitted you
conspired with Ian to lie
and he's already pleaded
guilty to that charge,
I have to advise you as your counsel
that perhaps you should, too.
But I wasn't perverting
the course of justice.
I was trying to stop the police from
wrongly accusing him, I thought.
OK, but you do realise the jury
are likely to find you guilty?
Of that charge, yeah,
OK. If they do, they do.
But not assisting an offender,
not cleaning up after knowing he'd
killed the girls, because I didn't.
And I don't want to be
damned for what I never done.
Miss Carr, Maxine,
feels guilty every day,
wishing she had been there that day
and saved those children's lives.
Is it not now time to release
her from this man and his crimes?
If you think she has continued right
through her evidence to tell lies,
that she is not being
frank with you...
..you have to ask why?
Defendants rise.
How do you find the
defendant, Ian Kevin Huntley,
on the charge of the
murder of Jessica Chapman?
Guilty.
The murder of Holly
Wells? Guilty.
How do you find the
defendant, Maxine Ann Carr,
on the charge of conspiracy to
pervert the course of justice?
Guilty.
How do you find the
defendant, Maxine Ann Carr,
on the charge of assisting an offender
in the case of Jessica Chapman?
Not guilty.
In the case of Holly Wells?
Not guilty.
Forget her. She doesn't matter.
We will take a short adjournment
and sentencing will
commence tomorrow morning.
To the parents of
Holly and Jessica,
your grief at the
loss of such bright
and life-enhancing
daughters cannot be imagined
and cannot be shared.
Those of us who have been
compelled to listen to
so dispiriting and
merciless a tale
will have had some glimpse
of what you have suffered
and continue to suffer.
Our thoughts are with you all.
Hi, Principle Gilbert.
Just a few words, now
that the verdict's in?
No. Thank you.
How have the students and
community reacted to it?
The girls' siblings go to
the school. Can you comment
on how they're coping? The
families must still have questions.
I'd rather just get on with it.
Right, there we go.
That's everything.
PHONE RINGS
I'll get it.
Brian Farmer's phone,
this is Millie.
Hi, Millie, can I
speak to your dad?
Here he is. Thanks.
For you. Thank you.
Hello. Hey, it's
Jane. I'm in Soham.
But I don't, I don't feel...
CAR HORN Sorry. Hang on a sec.
Have you got everything?
Yep. Bye. Bye.
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Don't stay up too late.
I will.
Sorry.
You don't feel what?
Right. I'm supposed to be
knocking on the parents' doors
to offer them a million
quid for their stories.
Well, it's not for me to tell
you what to do, is it? No.
But you know they don't
want money. I know, but...
They want their daughters back.
And they'll never know what
really happened to them.
Would you want to know
if it was your daughter?
The truth?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The whole truth? Every detail?
Yeah.
Just to be there with her.
Yeah.
Maxine?
Maxine?
I know it's you.
One question and
I'll leave you alone.
Did you know?
Did you know he'd killed them?
No comment.
Mum!
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Two ten-year-old girls went
missing yesterday evening
in Soham, Cambridgeshire. It's
Holly and Jessica from my class.
They came by our house.
I-I-I spoke to them.
I'll say I was here.
You were here. I
was in the bath.
A 28-year-old man and
a 25-year-old woman
have been taken to help the
police with our enquiries.
Maxine Carr, I am arresting you on
suspicion of abduction and murder.
No, no!
They're not dead, though. How
do you know if they're dead?
INSECTS BUZZ
MAN COUGHS
Oh, God! Oh, my God.
Oh! Police!
Two bodies have been found.
I want to change my statement.
I said I was in
Soham that weekend...
..but I wasn't.
I was in Grimsby.
He told me last night, "If they
arrest you, tell the truth."
So I am now, and I
am sorry I did lie,
but only to stop Ian being accused
when he's done nothing, and...
And it's better for you to
go and find the real person.
The real person?
Who's done it.
This'll be read out in
front of the church.
"I suggest that we pause
for a moment of silence
"in memory of these
two little girls.
"The heartfelt sympathy of
the whole police service
"goes out to Holly's
parents and brother
"and to Jessica's parents and
sisters at this ghastly time.
"A man and a woman are under
arrest for their murder."
Has Ian ever expressed
interest in children?
Yeah.
We wanna start a family.
I mean a sexual interest.
No, that's disgusting.
He says them people want
shooting or castrating,
like what everyone says.
See, I know him, better than
anyone, better even than his mum.
And he couldn't have done
what you're saying he's done
and then carry on as normal.
He couldn't... unless
you helped him.
I didn't bloody help him.
You did. You admit it.
You lied for him. Because
I know he's innocent.
You cleaned his house.
It's my flaming house!
I'm the cleaner!
What, am I not allowed to
clean my own house now?
And even now Sadie's in season,
you know, spreading everywhere.
What, just leave it?
Well, you think that I'd
get on my hands and knees
and scrub something that
I knew had happened?
Well, would you?
No, I bloody wouldn't.
I haven't got anything
at all to do with this
and he ain't got nowt either.
We can tie him to
the girls' clothes.
We found their bodies
dumped in a ditch
where we now know he
goes plane-spotting.
It's not nice to think of children
you know, that you've hugged.
It wasn't him.
Come on, Maxine. You're
wearing blinkers.
I'm not wearing blinkers.
You are. I'm not!
Well, we have to tell you
that he has now been charged
formally charged, with the
two murders of Holly Wells
and Jessica Chapman.
Mm-mm.
No! SHE SOBS
No!
SOBS: He can't have.
He can't have!
SHE SOBS
Maxine, over here! SHOUTING
MAGISTRATE: Maxine Ann
Carr, you have been charged
with conspiring to pervert
the course of justice
by lying about your
whereabouts on August 4th
and August 5th of this year.
You will be remanded in custody at
Holloway Prison until your trial.
ON TV: "How has this happened?"
This is the question and
thought that one can see
on all the faces in Soham.
It is not just the locals
who are wondering this
but the many hundreds of
visitors who have travelled
from far and wide to the
small Cambridgeshire village
to sign books of condolence.
The long queue that forms
outside St Andrews Church
is a quiet and
sombre procession.
Hey. Hey. You seen all
the flowers at the church?
Yeah, amazing. They just
keep coming, don't they?
It's like Diana.
National grief and rage.
Yeah.
You see the Attorney
General's warning? Yeah.
"Condemn Huntley or Carr in print
and you jeopardise the trial."
Outrageous! Protect
press freedom.
What, to publish, "My
kinky night with Maxine"?
Get the feeling you
want to defend her.
What, like a damsel in distress?
No, no, I just...
I don't wanna see her
get torn limb from limb.
She's not the one who's
been charged with murder.
Mm.
Well, Soham will be
glad to see us gone. Mm.
You off back to London?
Maybe one more
trip up to Grimsby.
OK, well, maybe see you
next year at the trial.
Yeah. Hey, before you
go, if you were me,
how would you approach
the bereaved families?
I wouldn't. People want
to hear their story.
And so, reluctant as you are
to intrude on private grief...
I can offer big money.
Sorry. Wish I could help you.
No, you don't.
INMATE: Maxine! Hey!
We're going to get you!
SECOND INMATE: You
hurt kids, we hurt you.
SHOUTING CONTINUES
ON PHONE: Ian should
be standing up for you.
Ian wasn't even at the court.
He's not well enough, mentally.
Oh, so he's left you
to carry the can.
It's not his fault,
Mum! He's traumatised.
And no wonder - being blamed
for something he's never done.
Right.
His worst nightmare come true.
POUNDING ON DOOR
Come on, Shirley!
Let's have an interview!
My neighbour's told the police
she saw you and Ian looking in the
boot of his car and you were crying.
KNOCK ON DOOR
And there's reporters
knocking, day and night.
Maxine? Maxine?
So she saw me crying.
It's not a crime to cry.
No, but the question arises,
"Why were you crying?"
Are we to believe that
you never suspected
Ian could have killed
Holly and Jessica?
Correct.
Not for a second. Not
in a million years.
And now?
He's being framed.
Someone else put their clothes in
that hangar and them in that ditch.
Well, I have to tell
you that's a theory
a jury may find hard to
believe. He didn't kill them.
OK. What you will say
is that all you know,
the only thing he told you, is
what he told everybody else.
He talked to the girls
outside the house
and then they walked away.
Correct.
REPORTER: Ely Cathedral
has been a site of prayer
stretching back many centuries.
Today, it was a place of
mourning for the people of Soham.
Hundreds travelled
from the small village
to pay their respects
and share their grief.
They were joined on the
journey by two families,
their fellow townsfolk,
two families who have
lost beloved daughters
in the inexplicable tragedy.
"Dear Ian, I think about
marrying you every day.
"I love you, Ian, and I miss
you with my whole heart.
"Your letters are what are
keeping me going in here.
"Soon, we'll be together
again, my love."
Huntley's been transferred to prison
and declared fit to stand trial.
Oh, and by the way,
his phone records show
he was trying to cheat on Carr
that weekend but had no luck.
Right. She won't like that.
How are we doing putting
the girls in the house?
Working on forensics, but it's
been so thoroughly cleaned.
By the immaculate Miss Carr.
Who worked franticly to remove all
traces while claiming, like him,
the girls never went inside.
We need to refute that.
We need them in there.
SHE RETCHES
SHE RETCHES
"Dear Ian, why are you not
responding to my letters?
"Is it true what my
solicitor told me?
"Were you trying to see another woman on
Saturday night when I was in Grimsby?"
Thank you. That was very nice.
"After everything I've
done, it's not fair."
I'm worried, Lynda.
It's been two months. Is
he getting my letters?
ON PHONE: I'll ask him
when I see him, darling.
I know it's hard.
So, that weekend...
..was it the Monday he
called you to discuss lying?
Yeah, he said he
wanted me to come home.
He says, "There's kids gone
missing," and the thing is...
The thing is?
The bad thing is...
..they came in our house.
They came in the
house? Yeah, they did.
One of them had a nosebleed.
You know I've had blackouts.
But I remember now why
they came into the house.
I... I don't know if
Maxine told you that.
No. No, she...
She didn't, lovey.
One of them had a nosebleed.
But on the CCTV
thing on the telly...
..they're leaving the sports
centre just before getting to you
and none of them have
a nosebleed then.
Well, no, that's
because it started
when she was talking
to me about Maxine.
And they say they found fibres
from the football shirts
in the boot of my car.
That's because the girls
sat on the edge of it when I
went indoors to get tissue.
So the boot was open?
Yeah. And the bleeding didn't
stop and I said, "Come in."
I haven't done this, Mum.
Cos I remember them
leaving my house.
Well, if you're adamant
on that... I am adamant.
I am 100% remembering them
girls leaving my house.
And would I be
physically capable
of restraining two
healthy young girls?
Yeah, it's not like
you're a 15st guy.
Well, I am 12st and fit.
But, yeah, question is,
was someone following them?
Don't look at me like that.
What I need...
What I need from you lot is some
bloody faith and confidence in me.
I am telling you the truth, Mum,
as best I can, what I remember.
I don't ever want you to think
that I might have done this -
because I haven't. I
could never hurt anybody.
I never have, I never will.
Finally, I am telling you this,
about them coming into the house.
I weren't gonna, but I felt...
..that's the risk I had to take
just to put your mind at rest.
Thank you.
ON RECORDING: Don't say anything,
Mum. It will give the police time
to counteract everything I'm saying
and build the case against me.
The girls are in the house.
CLATTER
The papers are calling
it a suicide attempt?
"She's guilty and she
can't live with it."
It's my eating disorder,
I can't help it!
Well, yes, there should
be some... sympathy.
I'm like Princess Diana.
So, things have
changed a little bit.
The prosecution have tape recordings
of you talking to Ian's mother Lynda
over the phone.
What? That can't be legal.
Recording a private
conversation? That's shocking.
Well, it is legal, I'm afraid,
and they have you admitting to
knowing the girls were in the house.
So, as well as conspiring to
pervert the course of justice,
you're also being charged
with assisting an offender.
But I haven't
assisted an offender.
You cleaned the house,
hid the traces of two dead
young girls, girls you knew,
making you in the eyes of many
as bad as him, or even worse.
He's not bad. They
went in the house.
They went out again,
on their merry way.
Really? Because if they
didn't... They did.
..your life together is over.
Acknowledge he's done what he's
done and distance yourself from him
and you can still
survive. Ian's not a...
He's not interested
in young girls.
He's got no whatsit -
no previous, no history.
That's not true.
What I'm about to tell you can't
be used in court against him.
Enquiries through Humberside
Police and social services
are revealing several cases
against him involving sex
with underage girls
whilst in his 20s.
These are girls he groomed,
one as young as 13,
and allegations of rape.
He took a girl for a
walk in an orchard,
where she says he sexually
assaulted her, when he was 24...
..and she was 11.
Let people see - he's
the monster, not you.
SHE SOBS
SOBBING CONTINUES
I think I've made a
huge mistake, Mum.
CRIES: I thought he was the best
thing that ever happened to me.
Tell anyone who asks it's over.
She wrote to the prison
governor. It was read out to me -
"I no longer wish to have any
communication with Mr Ian Huntley."
Oh, Ian, that's all you need.
Yeah.
What a fucking bitch.
So we now have fibre transfers
to and from the football shirts.
And thanks to Pat, pollen from the
deposition site on Huntley's shoes,
car footwells and petrol can.
Plus, chalk from the track caught
under the car. PHONE VIBRATES
And the fact that he changed
all four tyres on the Monday,
that'll speak to the jury.
I'll share duties with
Karim in court. What?
Well, how did he do it?
He's on suicide watch.
Huntley's taken an overdose.
He sees this as his only option,
testament to the
work we're all doing.
So we keep doing it and
pray he pulls through.
He can't escape justice.
REPORTER: It's a short journey
for Huntley from hospital
back to Woodhill Prison, where he
will again be put on suicide watch.
He will spend the next
number of days and nights
in the hospital wing.
The Home Secretary has demanded
that the Prison Service...
It's all over the news.
Have you seen it? Oh,
love, it's terrible.
Typical him, Mum.
Trying to take the easy way out,
leaving me to carry the can.
Too bad, Ian.
Didn't work.
Tough fucking luck.
I'll see you in court.
Thanks for meeting me. Still
waiting for that scoop?
Eve of the trial, emotions running
high, maybe a chink opens up.
And then you pounce, yeah?
That's my job.
The judge rejected
the defence claim.
They've already been
convicted by the media.
But he still criticised them.
Them?
Us.
So the editors just ignore
the sub judice laws, do they?
No, not totally.
And all this stuff coming out now
about Huntley's past in Humberside,
we're sitting on it
until after the trial.
Mm. The authorities are
going to get roasted.
They weren't communicating.
Police, social
services, schools.
How did he get a job as a school
caretaker with his history?
No actual convictions.
There was one
though, for burglary.
I mean, that should have flagged
up and barred him from the job.
All those other
complaints though.
I mean, all those girls.
Mm, I mean it needs
a public inquiry.
Needs a whole new system.
You're not coming down
to cover the trial?
I'm not allowed
to. I'm a witness.
Of course. You met them.
Mm. I talked to his parents.
They showed me this Christmas
card Maxine sent them
after she dumped him.
"I shared my life, my bed and
all my dreams with that man.
"I have been living a lie."
Wow. Tragic heroine.
Rehearsal for the courtroom.
Now, a warning to media.
Report this trial
dispassionately,
or jeopardise it.
Do not describe emotion.
The Crown may present
it's opening statement.
It may not be disputed that
Carr provided a false account
of Huntley's movements
that Sunday night,
but we have to prove
that she did so knowing,
or believing that he had a hand
in the killing of the girls.
She lied and covered up for him.
Forensically cleaned
the house of the man
who murdered two
ten-year-old girls.
The man who dumped and burned
their bodies in a ditch.
You say there was
significant press presence,
hundreds of reporters every day.
Did this put a strain on
the caretaker at the school?
He did seem stressed.
He said he felt harassed
by the press and...
..by the daily press conferences
the police were holding.
And one time asked me if
they could be held elsewhere.
And you appointed him?
Correct.
Would you say he struck you
as a very good candidate
when you appointed him?
Yes. He did.
And that's a decision
I live with every day.
That's all.
Thank you.
All done.
Love you. Love you.
How did Miss Carr seem
when you spoke to her?
Smiling.
Cheerful, friendly.
Eager to help.
And what about Mr Huntley?
He was very wary.
He refused to have
his photo taken.
She was much more convincing.
Happy to pose with the
card Holly had made her.
So when she told me she was
in the house, in the bath,
when the girls came by...
..it was easy to believe her.
God, I can't do anything right.
She was too close to the kids. They
loved her too much. Ooh, sorry.
And that reporter, the
press, they sweet-talk you,
they manipulate you
to get what they want.
You know, they say I'm
bad. They're worse.
You're doing well in there.
Keeping calm. Used to it.
You know, be nice, look nice.
No-one likes you when you're mad.
So swallow it.
You should be prepared for the discoveries
of the bodies and the pathologist's evidence.
It could be quite upsetting.
Should I not get upset?
No, it's fine to get upset.
Shows you care.
You the jury have been
provided with evidence packs?
Could you please refer to the
pathologists report by Dr Nat Carey?
As you have told the court,
the bodies exposed for so long were
too badly decomposed even for you,
an experienced pathologist to
determine the cause of death.
But the skulls and
skeletons revealed no signs
of blunt force
trauma or stabbing.
Which leaves us with?
Something involving interference
with the mechanism of breathing.
Such as?
Strangulation or smothering.
And as for sexual assault?
Due to decomposition I cannot,
from the physical findings,
confirm or refute
that possibility.
Thank you, Dr Cary.
Erm...
My Lord, my client would be
grateful for a very short break.
Very well, Mr Coward.
This is the last time Mr
Huntley will be permitted
to disrupt the court.
The court will
reconvene in 15 minutes.
Should possible causes of
death not include drowning?
Yes, it should be on the list.
Thank you.
I'm going to put to
you my client's account
of what actually happened
on 4th of August last year.
At the material time Holly
Wells had a nosebleed.
And because it wouldn't stop,
she and Jessica and the
defendant, Mr Huntley,
went up to the bathroom,
where the girls sat on
the edge of the bath
while he cooled pieces of toilet
paper under the tap in the basin
and handed them to Holly.
And on one of his
turns, he slipped.
And it seems he may well have banged
into her and she went backwards.
He has no recollection of a bang,
but he does remember a splash.
When Holly went into the bath,
which had roughly 18
inches of water in it
because Mr Huntley was
going to wash the dog,
Jessica started screaming, "You
pushed her, you pushed her!"
He then turned towards Jessica
putting his hand, or hands out,
his memory is, over her
mouth, to stop her screaming.
He let her go and she
went to the ground.
He then lifted Holly
out of the bath...
..and looked for signs of
breathing and found none.
He turned his attention
towards Jessica,
looked for signs of
breathing and found none.
That is the whole account.
I don't believe a word of it.
As an experienced pathologist,
I find it wholly implausible
that Jessica could have been
smothered to death as described.
And as to the suggested
drowning of Holly,
I measured the bath overnight.
The overflow is 11 inches.
Even if that was blocked,
the depth you mentioned
of 18 is unrealistic.
And at a depth of barely a foot,
total immersion of the nose and
mouth through a passive accident
is very unlikely.
And the nose, we are
told, is bleeding.
And she is fully clothed.
So there would be blood in
the water soaking the clothes.
Even extremely diluted,
this would be detectable.
None was.
And why no rescue?
Accidental drownings in bathrooms
tend to be solitary affairs
because, by definition...
..human beings
rescue one another.
What's he like? Trying to get off
murder with a story like that.
"It was an accident, it was
only..." What is it? Manslaughter.
The evidence suggests that if the
bodies had been less decomposed
it might be clearer
what happened.
Some people may
blame you for that
because your lies
delayed his arrest.
But his arrest didn't
lead to the bodies.
They were found by accident.
And he'd never have admitted
where they were, so...
Not as thick as I look.
I was knelt down on the
doorstep, brushing Sadie,
directly behind the car.
I heard two voices
and I stood up to look
and there was two girls in
football tops stood there.
They asked me how Miss Carr was
and I found that quite funny
because I weren't used to hearing
Maxine referred to in that way.
I noticed Holly put
her hand up to her face
and there was some blood
on it and under her nose.
I asked if she would
like some tissue.
To which she replied,
"Yes, please".
So what did you do?
I said, "Plonk your bums on
there and I'll get you some."
Could you repeat that?
A lot of us didn't get that.
Yes, erm...
I said, "Plonk your
bums on there."
Plonk your bums there?
Yes.
On the rim of my boot.
What did you do with Sadie?
Secured her in the
downstairs toilet.
You came out and gave
the tissue to Holly.
Did it do the trick?
Sorry?
Did it stop the bleeding?
No.
So what happened next?
It was threatening rain and if
anything it was getting worse.
So, I... I said, "Would you like to come
inside and put some wet tissue on the nose?"
What did they say?
They said yes.
You returned home after
depositing the bodies.
Then what did you do?
Had several cigarettes.
And what were you thinking?
What have I done?
Have you ever told Maxine what
you've told us here today?
I wanted to.
But I couldn't.
You approached Holly's
father, Kevin Wells,
near the school three days
after she disappeared.
You said, "I'm sorry Kev, I
didn't know it was your daughter.
"I hope they come home soon".
What should we call that?
An apology? Inexcusable?
Yes.
Like this story you've come
up with to fit the evidence.
What does a ten-year-old girl
do when she's got a nosebleed
and is a few hundred
yards from home?
I can't speak for the mind
of ten-year-old girls.
Go into a stranger's house? Did you
tell them that Maxine was inside?
No. You knew, as
school caretaker,
you were forbidden from having
schoolchildren in your house?
Yes. And yet you
invited them in.
Yes.
You have been telling lies from start
to finish in this case, haven't you?
You say you somehow
suffocated Jessica,
trying to stop her
from screaming.
Screaming because you
were murdering Holly? No.
And when you accidentally knocked her into the
bath, why couldn't you just reach out and help her?
That would have
been the normal...
In these circumstances it is very
rational to know what you were doing.
In those circumstances
it is not so rational.
Believe me, I know.
You can get very angry,
can't you, Mr Huntley?
That's because you...
You have your opinion.
Did you lose your temper with one
of the girls that Sunday evening?
Did you become the assertive
individual that you became just now?
You lied to the journalists.
You lied to the police?
Yes, sir, I did.
You now admit you knew a lot.
The girls had been in the
house, which he'd cleaned.
The car, too.
There was bedding in
the washing machine.
He was the last person to see
them and he wanted you to lie.
And yet, you claim
you had no suspicions?
Suspicions he had a
woman round, maybe.
But no, not that.
You claim that all the
guilt should be his to bear
and you should go scot-free?
I know exactly what
I've done, sir.
And I cannot be blamed for
what that thing in the box
has done to me or
those children.
It is noticeable, Miss Carr, how
much you embellished your lies
to the press and the police
to make them more convincing.
Not only were you in the
house, but you were in the bath
and "wished I had popped out
and had a chat with the girls".
I do wish though
I had been there.
I'll be feeling
very guilty, sir,
for a long, long time
that if I was there
I could have stopped
them from dying.
You were so obsessed by him
and so obsessed with
preserving your relationship
and your home and your future,
that you had to divert
attention away from him.
Only because I truly
believed he was innocent.
Mr Latham has suggested to you
that by that Tuesday
evening, the 6th,
you had worked it out that
the children were dead... No.
..and that Ian Huntley
was responsible. No.
Now, let's just examine that.
Did you sleep in the same bed as
Ian Huntley on that Tuesday night?
Yes. And all the following days?
Yeah.
Mm.
Would you have been in the same
bed if you believed for a moment
that he had killed
those children?
I wouldn't be in the same house.
No further questions.
The court will take a break
and reconvene in 30 minutes.
You should fucking hang!
You bastard!
Given you admitted you
conspired with Ian to lie
and he's already pleaded
guilty to that charge,
I have to advise you as your counsel
that perhaps you should, too.
But I wasn't perverting
the course of justice.
I was trying to stop the police from
wrongly accusing him, I thought.
OK, but you do realise the jury
are likely to find you guilty?
Of that charge, yeah,
OK. If they do, they do.
But not assisting an offender,
not cleaning up after knowing he'd
killed the girls, because I didn't.
And I don't want to be
damned for what I never done.
Miss Carr, Maxine,
feels guilty every day,
wishing she had been there that day
and saved those children's lives.
Is it not now time to release
her from this man and his crimes?
If you think she has continued right
through her evidence to tell lies,
that she is not being
frank with you...
..you have to ask why?
Defendants rise.
How do you find the
defendant, Ian Kevin Huntley,
on the charge of the
murder of Jessica Chapman?
Guilty.
The murder of Holly
Wells? Guilty.
How do you find the
defendant, Maxine Ann Carr,
on the charge of conspiracy to
pervert the course of justice?
Guilty.
How do you find the
defendant, Maxine Ann Carr,
on the charge of assisting an offender
in the case of Jessica Chapman?
Not guilty.
In the case of Holly Wells?
Not guilty.
Forget her. She doesn't matter.
We will take a short adjournment
and sentencing will
commence tomorrow morning.
To the parents of
Holly and Jessica,
your grief at the
loss of such bright
and life-enhancing
daughters cannot be imagined
and cannot be shared.
Those of us who have been
compelled to listen to
so dispiriting and
merciless a tale
will have had some glimpse
of what you have suffered
and continue to suffer.
Our thoughts are with you all.
Hi, Principle Gilbert.
Just a few words, now
that the verdict's in?
No. Thank you.
How have the students and
community reacted to it?
The girls' siblings go to
the school. Can you comment
on how they're coping? The
families must still have questions.
I'd rather just get on with it.
Right, there we go.
That's everything.
PHONE RINGS
I'll get it.
Brian Farmer's phone,
this is Millie.
Hi, Millie, can I
speak to your dad?
Here he is. Thanks.
For you. Thank you.
Hello. Hey, it's
Jane. I'm in Soham.
But I don't, I don't feel...
CAR HORN Sorry. Hang on a sec.
Have you got everything?
Yep. Bye. Bye.
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Don't stay up too late.
I will.
Sorry.
You don't feel what?
Right. I'm supposed to be
knocking on the parents' doors
to offer them a million
quid for their stories.
Well, it's not for me to tell
you what to do, is it? No.
But you know they don't
want money. I know, but...
They want their daughters back.
And they'll never know what
really happened to them.
Would you want to know
if it was your daughter?
The truth?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The whole truth? Every detail?
Yeah.
Just to be there with her.
Yeah.
Maxine?
Maxine?
I know it's you.
One question and
I'll leave you alone.
Did you know?
Did you know he'd killed them?
No comment.
Mum!
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