Kindred Spirits (2016–…): Season 2, Episode 4 - Uninvited Guests - full transcript
A terrified couple calls for help after witnessing a chair levitate in their home. Amy endures a chilling paranormal experience in an upstairs bedroom. A psychic's visit later reveals a horrifying truth that leaves Adam and Amy shocked.
[ MOTION DETECTOR BEEPING ]
BRUNI: Did someone walk in front
of the motion detector?
THAT'S NOT ME.
I DO NOT
SEE ANYBODY.
****
WHATEVER IT IS ALWAYS
TOUCHES ME ON MY RIGHT ARM.
Stephanie: I SAW A MAN STANDING
IN THAT BACK CORNER.
HE KIND OF JUST
WANTS ME TO GO AWAY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE
RUNNING AGAINST THE DOOR.
♪♪
'This whole bed
is shaking.
♪♪
[ DOOR CREAKS ]
Bruni: I'M AMY BRUNI.
I WAS ONLY 8
WHEN A PARANORMAL INCIDENT
CHANGED MY LIFE FOREVER.
[ GIRL LAUGHS ]
SINCE THEN,
I'VE DEDICATED MY TIME
TO SOLVING THE MOST TERRIFYING
HAUNTINGS IMAGINABLE.
Berry: I'M ADAM BERRY.
MORE THAN A DECADE AGO,
AN ENCOUNTER AT GETTYSBURG
ROCKED MY BELIEFS
ABOUT THE SUPERNATURAL.
Bruni: TOGETHER,
WE UNCOVER THE TRUTH
- BEHIND THE UNEXPLAINABLE.
- OH.
OH, MY GOD.
NOW WE ARE ON
OUR MOST IMPORTANT MISSION YET.
♪♪
HELPING FAMILIES
OVERCOME THEIR FEAR,
TAKE BACK THEIR HOMES,
AND RECLAIM THEIR LIVES.
♪♪
Berry: SO, UM, I HAVE TO
TELL YOU ABOUT CARL AND CINDY.
Bruni: OKAY.
SO, THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE
FIVE YEARS AGO,
AND THE ACTIVITY
IS ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.
REALLY?
YEAH.
LISTEN TO THIS.
THIS IS HIS VOICEMAIL.
YOU CAN HEAR IT
IN HIS VOICE.
♪♪
♪♪
THIS JUST HAPPENED --
THE STOVE THING.
THAT'S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS,
BUT THE FREAKIEST THING
THAT HE TOLD ME
WAS THAT HE WAS WORKING ON
CHAIRS THAT HE HAD JUST BOUGHT.
RIGHT.
AND THEY WERE ON THE TABLE
BUTT-SIDE DOWN,
WITH THE LEGS UP,
AND NEXT TO HIM,
THIS CHAIR LIFTS US
A LITTLE BIT,
FLOATS OUT,
FLIPS UP LIKE THIS,
AND THEN SITS
RIGHT BACK DOWN.
AND THAT IS HONESTLY
THE CRAZIEST CLAIM
THAT I'VE EVER HEARD
IN TERMS OF AN OBJECT MOVING
IN FRONT OF SOMEONE
WHO IS HAVING PARANORMAL
ACTIVITY IN THEIR HOUSE.
WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE
WHATEVER'S THERE
IS FRANTICALLY TRYING
TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM
OR LET THEM KNOW
THAT IT'S THERE.
RIGHT.
HE'S WORRIED,
YOU KNOW --
HE'S WORRIED
THAT IT'S GONNA PICK UP.
HE'S WORRIED THAT
THE ACTIVITY'S GONNA KEEP GOING.
I CAN SEE WHY
THAT WOULD BE ALARMING.
YEAH.
SO WE HAVE TO HELP THEM.
YEAH.
♪♪
Berry:
IT SOUNDS LIKE CARL AND CINDY
DEAL WITH ACTIVITY EVERY DAY.
BUT NOW, WHATEVER'S CAUSING THE
DISTURBANCE IS GETTING WORSE.
THE ACTIVITY IS ACTUALLY
FRIGHTENING THEM.
THE SCARY PART --
THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW
IF THE INTENTION
IS POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.
BUT THE STOVETOP TURNING ON
AND OFF COULD BE DANGEROUS.
AND THEY DON'T WANT
THE ACTIVITY TO PICK UP,
SO THERE'S A LOT AT STAKE HERE.
LET'S START
FROM THE BEGINNING,
AND YOU JUST TELL US
EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
AFTER WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE --
WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE ABOUT 2012,
AND THERE WAS SOMEBODY
WHO HAD BEEN LIVING HERE
AND WAS REALLY A MESS,
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
Bruni: MM-HMM.
AND I TORE
EVERYTHING OUT.
IS THAT ABOUT WHEN
THE ACTIVITY STARTED?
YEP.
BUT I DON'T THINK
IT'S SURE OF ME.
OKAY.
I THINK
IT LIKES CARL BETTER.
OKAY, AND WHAT
MAKES YOU SAY THAT?
IT'S MORE AROUND HIM
THAN IT IS FOR ME.
MM-HMM. OKAY.
ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY
HAPPENING IN THIS SPACE?
YES.
MM-HMM.
I WAS LYING ON THE COUCH,
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN,
SOMEBODY SAID,
"CARL, HI.
I'M HERE."
Bruni:
THE VOICE --
IT SOUNDED LIKE
IT WAS FAMILIAR WITH YOU?
OR...
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE
IT WAS COMFORTABLE, OR...
IT SOUNDED LIKE
IT WAS COMFORTABLE BEING HERE.
OKAY.
AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE,
I'LL HEAR, LIKE, MUSIC.
YOU HEAR THE MUSIC
REGULARLY, OR...
YES.
DOES IT SOUND LIKE
IT HAS A FILTER
IN BETWEEN YOU AND ITSELF,
OR IS IT CLEAR?
- IT'S NOT CLEAR.
- OKAY.
Cindy: BUT YOU DEFINITELY
KNOW IT'S MUSIC.
OKAY.
AND IT'S BEEN AMPING UP.
WE'VE HAD KNOCKING,
WE'VE HAD...
FOOTSTEPS.
TOUCHING.
WHERE IN THE HOUSE
DOES THE TOUCHING HAPPEN?
UPSTAIRS.
OKAY.
♪♪
Cindy: THE TOUCHING HAPPENS
UP HERE.
THE KNOCKING
HAPPENS UP HERE.
THE SOUNDS --
THE BOOMS --
THEY'RE ALWAYS AT A --
STRONG.
WHAT DOES IT
SOUND LIKE, EXACTLY?
IT SOUNDS LIKE, SAY,
- SOMEONE RUNNING AGAINST THE DOOR.
- MM-HMM.
LIKE THE THUD.
AND THEN THE KNOCKING
IS DIFFERENT.
Berry: IT'S JUST
DEFINITE KNOCKS?
IT'S DEFINITE KNOCKS.
WHERE IN THIS --
WHERE?
IT'S COME OUT
OF THIS ROOM.
THIS IS OUR DRESSING ROOM.
OUT OF THE CLOSET.
IN THE CLOSET,
THE KNOCKS?
- Cindy: YES.
- YEAH.
OKAY. LIKE...
[ KNOCKING ON DOOR ]
RIGHT, YEAH.
AND IT WAS ON
THE ACTUAL DOOR HERE?
Bruni: AND THAT ONLY HAPPENED
THAT ONE TIME?
Cindy: NO, ABOUT THREE TIMES
THAT HAS HAPPENED.
[ KNOCKING ON DOOR ]
Berry:
LIKE THAT?
YES,
JUST LIKE THAT.
♪♪
THIS WAS THE WORKSHOP,
AND IT WAS PROBABLY
LIKE RIGHT ABOUT HERE
WHERE THAT CHAIR WAS.
AND I WAS STANDING
ABOUT HERE,
AND THAT'S WHEN
IT JUST SLID OUT
AND TURNED RIGHT-SIDE-UP
AND THEN CAME DOWN
TO THE FLOOR.
AND IT DIDN'T EVEN SLAM --
WHICH I CAN'T UNDERSTAND.
SO, SOMEONE, LIKE,
SET IT DOWN ALMOST?
LIKE THEY
SET IT DOWN, RIGHT.
ALMOST AS IF
THEY WERE PULLING OUT A CHAIR
AT A DINING-ROOM TABLE
AND SITTING DOWN --
THEY'RE GONNA TALK TO ME
OR SOMETHING.
OKAY.
SO, THIS WAS WHAT TIME
OF THE DAY?
IT WAS AT NIGHT.
IT WAS AT NIGHT.
AND HOW SOON AFTER
YOU MOVED IN DID THAT HAPPEN?
IT WASN'T THAT LONG.
YEP.
HMM.
Berry: ANY IDEA WHO
YOU MIGHT THINK IT IS?
Bruni: MM-HMM.
Carl:
I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW
WHEN MY GRANDMOTHER HAD DIED,
WE WERE
VERY, VERY CLOSE.
WHAT WAS YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S
NAME, REALLY QUICK?
MY GRANDMOTHER'S NAME
WAS HELEN.
OKAY.
Bruni: SOMETHING DOESN'T FEEL
QUITE RIGHT.
WE KNOW FROM PAST CASES
THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS
THE MOST LIKELY SUSPECT,
AND IF IT WAS
A LOVING FAMILY MEMBER,
WHY WOULD CARL AND CINDY
FEEL SO THREATENED BY IT?
I NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH CINDY
AND SEE IF THERE IS
SOMETHING ELSE AT PLAY HERE.
HOW DOES IT FEEL
TO HAVE THIS THING
THAT'S HERE WITH YOU?
INTIMIDATING.
IT'S LIKE AN INVASION.
RIGHT.
VERY, LIKE,
VERY MUCH SO.
HAS THERE EVER
BEEN ANYTHING
THAT YOU FELT
ESPECIALLY AFRAID OF?
UPSTAIRS,
I DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE
SOMEONE'S STANDING
NEXT TO ME,
WATCHING ME.
AND WHATEVER IT IS ALWAYS
TOUCHES ME ON MY RIGHT ARM.
MM-HMM.
WHEN ALL THE ACTIVITY
REALLY STARTED RAMPING UP,
I GOT MORE WORRIED
ABOUT WALKING UPSTAIRS
OR WALKING DOWNSTAIRS.
HOW MUCH FURTHER
WAS IT GONNA GO?
THAT'S WHAT REALLY
MADE ME AFRAID.
RIGHT.
YOUR OWN PERSONAL SAFETY
AT THAT POINT.
YEAH, FOR ME.
YES.
IS THERE ANYBODY
THAT YOU CAN THINK OF
THAT MAYBE
YOU HAVE LOST
OR BEEN CONNECTED TO
OVER THE YEARS?
THE ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF
IS MY GRANDMOTHER.
WHEN SHE PASSED AWAY,
NOBODY KNEW
THAT SHE WAS ILL,
AND NONE OF US KIDS
GOT TO GO TO SEE HER.
HER NAME WAS MARY.
ALL RIGHT.
DO YOU THINK
IT'S SOMETHING
OR SOMEONE
THAT KNEW CARL
OR DO YOU THINK
IT CAME WITH THE HOUSE?
IF I HAD TO GUESS
IF IT WAS ONE PERSON,
IT WOULD BE
HIS GRANDMOTHER.
DOES IT EVER
MAKE YOU WORRY FOR HIM?
I DO,
BUT I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING.
YEAH.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT HIM
TO KNOW HOW MUCH I WORRY.
♪♪
♪♪
Bruni: CINDY'S WATCHED
OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS
AS THIS ACTIVITY HAS ESCALATED.
THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP IS THAT
THIS THING GETS PHYSICAL.
SHE SAID SHE'S AFRAID
SOMETHING'S GONNA
PUSH THEM DOWN THE STAIRS,
AND THAT'S KIND OF
HER WORST NIGHTMARE.
Bruni: DO YOU WANT
TO START UPSTAIRS?
Berry: YEAH,
LET'S DO THAT.
IN THE BEDROOM?
OR...
I THINK
THAT'S THE MOST LOGICAL PLACE.
THAT'S WHERE
CINDY FEELS LIKE
SHE GETS TOUCHED
THE MOST -- UP THERE.
DO YOU THINK THAT FREAKS HER OUT
MORE THAN SHE'S LETTING ON?
SHE SAYS SHE WORRIES
THAT BECAUSE IT'S ESCALATED
OVER THE YEARS,
LIKE SINCE THEY GOT HERE,
SHE'S AFRAID THE NEXT STEP
WILL BE AT, LIKE,
ACTUALLY HARMING THEM.
♪♪
WHATEVER'S HERE
SEEMS VERY PHYSICAL.
WE HOPE IT WILL USE
THAT ENERGY TO REACH OUT.
SINCE WE DON'T KNOW
HOW IT WILL COMMUNICATE,
WE'LL USE A RECORDER TO CAPTURE
ANY ELECTRONIC VOICE PHENOMENA
AND A K II METER TO DETECT
ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS GENERATED
WHEN A SPIRIT COULD BE PRESENT.
OKAY, I WOULD LIKE
TO START DOING EVP WORK.
- HEY, UH, ADAM?
- YES?
THE K-II METER
IS GOING OFF.
♪♪
Bruni: HELLO,
IS SOMEONE IN HERE?
CAN YOU MAKE THIS
GO ALL THE WAY UP TO RED?
♪♪
YOU CAN LET IT GO.
MAKE IT STOP.
♪♪
Berry: I'M SORRY.
IT JUST STOPPED.
I'M GONNA ASK YOU
SOME QUESTIONS.
IT IT'S
A "YES" ANSWER,
I WANT YOU
TO LIGHT IT UP, OKAY?
ARE YOU STILL HERE
WITH US?
[ CREAKING ]
- HEAR THAT? - NO.
- DID YOU HEAR THAT?
WHAT DID YOU JUST HEAR?
I DON'T KNOW.
♪♪
ARE YOU STILL HERE
WITH US?
♪♪
[ CREAKING ]
- HEAR THAT? - NO.
- DID YOU HEAR THAT?
WHAT DID YOU JUST HEAR?
I DON'T KNOW.
IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS
COMING FROM, LIKE, OVER THERE.
WHY DON'T YOU
SIT IN THERE?
BYE.
♪♪
I'M HEARING MOVEMENT
IN THIS ROOM.
- IN WHAT ROOM?
- HERE.
♪♪
I NEED TO, LIKE,
OPEN THIS DOOR.
♪♪
THE DOOR THAT'S ALWAYS
TAPPED ON IS THAT ONE.
THIS IS --
OKAY, LET ME LISTEN.
OKAY, NO, ADAM.
SERIOUSLY.
NO.
I JUST HEARD TAPPING
ON THIS DOOR.
NO, THERE'S, LIKE,
SOMETHING RUMMAGING, LIKE,
KEH, KEH, KEH,
LIKE, ON THE DOOR.
I'M GONNA BRING THE K-II
IN HERE JUST TO...
♪♪
I'M GONNA
RUN THIS, TOO.
♪♪
ALL RIGHT.
WHOEVER'S HERE...
CAN YOU
KNOCK ON THAT DOOR AGAIN?
MAYBE UP TOWARDS
THIS AREA?
DO YOU KNOW HELEN?
WHAT ABOUT MARY?
IS THERE SOMEONE HERE
NAMED MARY?
[ STATIC ]
- WAIT, GO BACK.
- WHOA.
WHAT WAS THAT?
I'M SORRY, WHAT?
[ INDISTINCT VOICE ]
MARY IS HERE!
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
WAIT.
[ CHUCKLES ]
MARY IS HERE.
WHO IS MARY AGAIN?
MARY WAS
CINDY'S GRANDMOTHER.
LET ME -- UP HERE.
YEAH.
LET'S PUT IT
RIGHT HERE.
♪♪
IF YOU'RE HERE WITH US,
CAN YOU JUST LET US KNOW
BY GRABBING THAT
GREEN LIGHT THERE, YOU SEE?
IF YOU GRAB IT,
HOLD ON TO IT.
- IT WILL GO FROM --
- THERE WE GO.
ARE YOU
CINDY'S GRANDMOTHER?
NO, YOU DON'T WANT TO GRAB
THAT GREEN LIGHT?
DO YOU WANT
TO TALK TO US?
IT'S WEIRD HOW SOMETIMES
IT JUST GOES TOTALLY SILENT.
♪♪
IT'S SO WEIRD
THAT THE ACTIVITY STOPPED
WHEN WE ASKED
IF IT WAS CINDY'S GRANDMOTHER.
SO, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER MARY
ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOUSE
THAT WE JUST
HAVEN'T FOUND YET.
THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN DUG INTO
THE HISTORY YET, THOUGH.
RIGHT.
WELL, WHAT I'LL DO
IS TOMORROW,
I'M GONNA GO TO,
LIKE, THE TOWN HALL,
AND I'LL START
DIGGING INTO THE DEEDS
AND GET NAMES
ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOUSE.
MM-HMM. MM-HMM.
OKAY.
I'M GOING TO SET UP
AN EXPERIMENT IN THE BASEMENT
AND SEE
IF ANYTHING HAPPENS.
ALL RIGHT, WELL,
LET'S DO THAT, THEN.
♪♪
Bruni: YOU KNOW,
LIKE ALL THE CASES WE DO,
WE RELY INTENSELY ON RESEARCH.
I'M GONNA DIG INTO
THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE,
THE FORMER OWNERS, THE LAND.
♪♪
I'M GONNA SET UP THE CAMERA
HERE IN THE BASEMENT
BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE
THAT CHAIR WAS ON THE TABLE
AND IT KIND OF
FLIPPED OFF BY ITSELF.
I'M GONNA PUT A CHAIR
ON THAT TABLE,
AND WE'RE GONNA MONITOR IT AND
SEE IF WE CAN CATCH ANYTHING.
♪♪
WHAT DID YOU
COME ACROSS?
WELL, THE MAN
WHO LIVED IN THIS HOUSE
BEFORE CARL AND CINDY
WAS NAMED JIM.
HE DIED OF CANCER
IN 2010.
HE WAS 58.
BASICALLY, WHAT HAPPENED WAS
THIS HOUSE ORIGINALLY --
IN 1930--
A GROUP OF PEOPLE,
THEY WERE PROBABLY RELATED,
THEY BOUGHT THIS PLOT.
THE PREVIOUS OWNER JIM --
THAT WAS HIS FAMILY.
IT HAS BEEN IN HIS FAMILY
SINCE 1930.
TWO OF THE WOMEN
WHO ORIGINALLY BUILT THE HOUSE
AND WERE IN THIS ORIGINAL
GROUP OF PEOPLE --
ONE WAS NAMED MARY,
AND ONE WAS NAMED MARIE.
- Berry: IN THIS HOUSE?
- IN THIS HOUSE.
OUR CLIENTS ARE
THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT LIVED HERE
THAT WERE NOT
RELATIVES OF JIM.
THAT COULD BE WHY THE ACTIVITY
STARTED WHEN THEY MOVED IN.
LET'S FOCUS ON FIGURING OUT
WHICH MARY IS HERE.
YOU WANT TO START
IN THE BASEMENT?
YEAH.
♪♪
Berry:
WATCH YOUR HEAD.
Bruni: OH ****
WATCH YOUR HEAD.
WATCH YOUR HEAD.
♪♪
Bruni: I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER --
THEY HAD THE FOOT--
THEY HEAR FOOTSTEPS UPSTAIRS
WHILE THEY'RE DOWN HERE, RIGHT?
AND THEN HE HAD THE CHAIR
INCIDENT HAPPEN DOWN HERE.
THAT WAS
THE MAJOR THING.
OKAY, I WANT TO TRY
THE SPIRIT BOX FOR A LITTLE BIT.
Bruni: LAST NIGHT, SOMETHING
DEFINITELY SPOKE TO US.
SINCE THIS ENTITY WANTS TO TALK,
WE'RE USING THE SPIRIT BOX
TO MAKE IT EASIER.
THIS DEVICE QUICKLY
SWEEPS THROUGH RADIO CHANNELS.
SPIRITS CAN SOMETIMES
MANIPULATE THAT WHITE NOISE
IN ORDER TO GET
A MESSAGE ACROSS.
♪♪
SO, IF YOU'RE IN HERE
WITH US,
MY NAME IS ADAM.
THIS IS AMY,
AND IF YOU TALK,
MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU
THROUGH THIS LITTLE DEVICE
THAT AMY'S HOLDING,
OKAY?
[ STATIC ]
CAN YOU TELL US
YOUR NAME?
[ RADIO CHATTER ]
[ DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS ]
CAN YOU
TRY THAT AGAIN?
CAN YOU TELL US
YOUR NAME?
[ STATIC ]
IS THIS YOUR HOUSE?
DO YOU KNOW
WHO MARY IS?
[ STATIC STOPS ]
DID YOU JUST
HEAR SOMEONE UPSTAIRS?
YEAH, I HEARD,
LIKE, A THUD.
IT'S LIKE A KNOCK
OR SOMETHING.
IT'S RIGHT ABOVE US.
♪♪
♪♪
RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE IS WHERE IT
SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS COMING FROM.
WAIT!
♪♪
OVER HERE.
♪♪
HELLO?
HELLO?
♪♪
I HEARD IT AGAIN,
BUT UP HERE.
HELLO?
♪♪
♪♪
DEFINITELY CAME
FROM THE BEDROOM.
LIKE, FIRST IT WAS
IN THE KITCHEN,
THEN IT GOES UP HERE
IN THE BEDROOM.
I HEARD ANOTHER, LIKE, THUD.
LIKE, SOMETHING STOMPING AROUND.
HELLO?
Bruni: ADAM?
YEAH.
I HEARD IT
ALL THE WAY UP IN THE BEDROOM.
SO I WENT RUNNING UP THERE
AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
THAT'S EXACTLY
WHAT THEY KEEP HEARING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING
IS, LIKE, THAT'S --
I WAS WAITING FOR THAT
BECAUSE THEY KEPT TALKING ABOUT
THIS THUD
THAT THEY HEARD ALL THE TIME.
AND WE'VE BEEN HERE NOW
FOR TWO DAYS
- AND HAVEN'T HEARD IT.
- THERE IT WAS.
AND THAT'S WHAT
THEY'RE HEARING.
MM-HMM.
IT WAS WEIRD BECAUSE IT HAPPENED
IN THE KITCHEN FIRST,
AND THEN I WENT
CHASING AFTER IT.
AND SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE
WHATEVER IT WAS, LIKE,
WAS GOING UPSTAIRS
TO GET AWAY FROM ME.
♪♪
LET'S USE THIS.
WHOEVER IS HERE,
ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE FROM US?
WE KNOW YOU GET CARL AND CINDY'S
ATTENTION BY BIG THUDS,
AND WE JUST HEARD ONE.
WAS THAT YOU?
CAN YOU
TELL US YOUR NAME?
MNH-MNH.
NOTHING'S TALKING
TO US RIGHT NOW.
♪♪
ALL RIGHT.
WELL --
OH, GOD.
OKAY.
♪♪
I CAN HONESTLY SAY RIGHT NOW
THAT WE HAVE NOT
HEARD FROM HELEN,
CARL'S GRANDMOTHER.
AT ALL?
NOT A PEEP.
BUT WE DO HAVE
THAT "MARY" EVP.
AND THE ONLY MARY
THEY REALLY CONFIRMED FOR US
WAS CINDY'S GRANDMOTHER.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS
HER GRANDMOTHER AT THIS POINT.
WE DID FIND A LOT --
A MARY FOR SURE
IN THE RESEARCH.
BUT WE GOT NOTHING
ON THAT.
WE NEED
MARY'S LAST NAME.
I THINK THAT
I'M GOING TO CALL STEPHANIE,
MY FRIEND,
THE PSYCHIC.
WE'LL JUST HAVE HER
DO A WALK-THROUGH
REAL QUICK TOMORROW.
JUST SEE
WHAT SHE COMES UP WITH.
♪♪
I'VE INVITED
MY FRIEND STEPHANIE HERE.
SHE'S A VERY GIFTED
PSYCHIC MEDIUM.
I JUST WANT HER TO COME AND DO
A WALK-THROUGH OF THE HOUSE
AND GIVE US HER IMPRESSIONS
AND HER FEELINGS
OF WHAT MIGHT BE GOING ON HERE.
PIECES OF EVIDENCE
AND EXPERIENCES
THAT WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR --
NONE OF THEM HAVE POINTED
TO ANYTHING DEFINITIVE.
WE SUPER APPRECIATE
YOU COMING OUT.
Stephanie: I'M EXCITED
TO BE WITH YOU GUYS AGAIN.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND
JUST DOING YOUR THING
AND JUST WALKING AROUND.
YOU GOT IT.
- I'M GOING TO GO THIS WAY.
- OKAY.
Berry: OKAY.
♪♪
ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GO THIS WAY.
MM-HMM.
WE'RE GOING UPSTAIRS.
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
♪♪
ALL RIGHT,
I'M GOING TO GO THIS WAY.
♪♪
Berry:
WATCH YOUR HEAD.
♪♪
OKAY.
WHEW.
I FOUND IT.
I SAW A MAN STANDING
IN THAT BACK CORNER.
♪♪
♪♪
ALL RIGHT,
I'M GOING TO GO THIS WAY.
OKAY.
WHEW.
I FOUND IT.
I SAW A MAN STANDING
IN THAT BACK CORNER.
♪♪
HE KIND OF JUST WANTS ME
TO GO AWAY.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND
WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SAY TO ME,
BUT I'M GOING TO GO
WITH, LIKE, A "J" NAME.
SO HE'S JUST SAYING,
"LIKE, I'M DOWN HERE.
LIKE,
LEAVE ME BE."
MM-HMM.
HE COMES UP, HE DOES HIS THING,
IS WHAT HE SAYS.
LIKE, "NOBODY GETS IN MY WAY.
I DO WHAT I NEED TO.
SOMETIMES,
I BUMP INTO THINGS."
BUT HE'S TALKING ABOUT
A MUSIC CONNECTION, TOO.
- A MUSIC CONNECTION?
- YEAH.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT
THE MUSIC.
EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE,
I'LL HEAR, LIKE, MUSIC.
THAT MAKES SENSE,
ACTUALLY.
- Stephanie: DOES IT?
- MM-HMM.
- THAT DOES MAKE SENSE.
- MM-HMM.
OKAY.
YEP.
I MEAN,
I'VE ASKED HIM
EVERY QUESTION
IN THE BOOK AT THIS POINT,
AND HE'S JUST KIND OF
SHOOING ME OUT THE DOOR.
OKAY.
HE HAS THE HOMEOWNERS
RIGHT NOW,
WHO ARE
VERY SWEET PEOPLE --
THEY KEEP KIND OF
SECOND-GUESSING THEMSELVES.
THE WAY
HE'S ACTING IS LIKE,
- "I'M JUST GOING ABOUT MY DAILY..."
- YEAH.
"...THING. LIKE, I'M NOT..."
LIKE ALMOST TAKEN ABACK BY,
LIKE, HIM UPSETTING SOMEBODY.
YEAH.
HE'S ACKNOWLEDGING THAT
THEY'RE NOT IN HIS WAY.
RIGHT. MM-HMM.
BUT HE'S STILL
DOING HIS JOB.
OKAY.
I'M GOING TO
GO THIS WAY.
[ CLEARS THROAT ]
UP HERE, I FEEL LIKE
THERE'S DIFFERENT ENERGIES
THAT ARE COMING IN --
COMING FROM UP HERE AND THEN
DOWN IN THE BASEMENT ROOM.
♪♪
[ SIGHS ]
SO THE OLDER GUY THAT I SAW
IN THE BASEMENT...
♪♪
...WANTS REALLY NOTHING
TO DO WITH TALKING TO ME.
I WOULD SAY --
I MEAN, I SAY, "OLDER,"
BUT HE'S SHOWING ME HIMSELF
ALMOST LIKE 50s, 60s.
OKAY,
HE'S SHOWING ME HIS HANDS,
AND HE'S SHOWING ME
THAT THEY'RE DIRTY.
♪♪
HE DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM
GETTING HIS HANDS DIRTY --
WORKED WITH SOMETHING THAT
CAUSED HIS HANDS TO BE DIRTY.
HE'S NOT
REALLY COMFORTABLE
WITH THE OVERFLOW
OF PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE.
Bruni: OKAY.
AT ALL.
Bruni:
UP UNTIL NOW,
WE'VE ONLY BEEN
INVESTIGATING ONE SPIRIT.
STEPHANIE PICKING UP ON
A SECOND ONE CHANGES EVERYTHING.
♪♪
Bruni: THIS HAS GONE
TOTALLY A DIFFERENT DIRECTION
THAN I EXPECTED.
I WAS WORRIED AT FIRST
BECAUSE IT TOOK HER A MINUTE.
THERE'S A LOT
OF ENERGY GOING ON.
YES,
AND SHE SAID THAT.
SHE SAID THERE'S
MULTIPLE ENERGIES IN HERE,
WHICH MAKES
A LOT OF SENSE.
THE NAME MARY
KEEPS COMING UP.
I REALLY THINK
SHE PICKED UP ON JIM.
SHE SAID THAT HE WAS
IN HIS 50s OR 60s.
MM-HMM.
THE "J" NAME.
- A "J" NAME.
- RIGHT.
- IT MAKES SENSE WHY HE'S NOT
TALKING TO US A LOT. - MM-HMM.
HE'S NOT INTERESTED IN US.
HE'S JUST DOING HIS THING.
LIKE, THIS IS HIS HOUSE STILL.
RIGHT.
SO...
IT MAKES SENSE TO ME
THAT JIM WOULD STILL BE HERE.
HE'S LIVED HERE
HIS ENTIRE LIFE.
BUT I THINK WE NEED
TO LOOK INTO JIM.
♪♪
Berry: BASED ON WHAT STEPHANIE
SAYS, I MEAN, WHO KNOWS?
MAYBE JIM STILL IS HERE.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW YET.
I MEAN, OUR INSTINCTS
ARE TELLING US THAT OBVIOUSLY,
JIM WOULD BE THE CULPRIT
IN THIS HOUSE
BASED ON THE THINGS
THAT WE KNOW.
BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY
DETERMINE EXACTLY WHO IS THERE
UNTIL WE GET CONFIRMATION.
HI!
YOU MUST BE DAVID.
- HI, HOW ARE YOU? HOW YOU DOING?
- HI, I'M AMY.
HI, AMY. I'M ADAM.
HI, ADAM.
HOW ARE YOU?
Berry:
THIS IS JIM'S COUSIN DAVE.
HE HAS BEEN IN THE HOUSE.
HE KNEW JIM VERY WELL,
AND WE'RE GOING TO GET A CHANCE
TO SPEAK WITH HIM
ABOUT WHO JIM WAS
AND GET TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT
MORE ABOUT THE HOUSE.
Bruni: YOU SPENT
A LOT OF TIME HERE, I TAKE IT?
- I SPENT SOME TIME HERE.
- YEAH. YEAH.
IT WAS A LOT DIFFERENT.
WE HEARD
HE HAD A LOT OF STUFF.
OH, MY GOD.
HE HAD SO MUCH STUFF IN HERE.
- IT WAS, LIKE, UNBELIEVABLE.
- MM-HMM.
- JIMMY WAS A GREAT GUY.
- YEAH.
Berry: YEAH.
YOU KNOW, HE WAS.
JIMMY WAS A GREAT GUY.
THE WAY HE WENT,
IT WASN'T...
YEAH, WE HEARD.
IT WAS A BAD THING.
WE HEARD
HE DIED OF CANCER.
THAT'S TERRIBLE.
AND THEY PUT HIM UNDER --
HE WAS IN A COMA.
MM. MM.
AND HE NEVER --
HE NEVER CAME OUT OF IT.
NO.
HE NEVER CAME OUT.
YOU KNOW, HE CAME TO MY HOUSE
WHEN HE GOT SICK.
MM.
MM-HMM.
AND HE BEGGED ME
TO TAKE HIS BUSINESS OVER.
- OHH. SO HE HAD A BUSINESS?
- YES.
WHAT WAS HIS BUSINESS?
HE DID CONSTRUCTION.
OKAY.
DID JIM HAVE
A CONNECTION TO MUSIC
AT ALL
THAT YOU WOULD KNOW OF?
I MEAN, WE USED TO GO UPSTAIRS
IN THE ATTIC
AND, YOU KNOW,
LISTEN TO MUSIC.
HE HAD -- ALL HIS MUSIC STUFF
WAS UPSTAIRS.
I KNOW HE HAD
DRUM SETS UP THERE,
HE HAD REEL-TO-REEL,
HE HAD --
YOU NAME IT,
HE HAD IT.
YEAH,
HE -- HE --
GOD, LOVED GOING AROUND
LISTENING TO MUSIC.
OKAY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK JIM
WOULD THINK OF THE HOUSE NOW?
JIM WOULD PROBABLY SAY...
"FINALLY."
YEAH.
YOU KNOW?
JIMMY WOULD BE VERY HAPPY
TO SEE THIS HOUSE LIKE IT IS.
- WELL, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME.
- NO PROBLEM.
IT'S BEEN SUPER HELPFUL.
IT'S ALWAYS NICE
TO GET SOME BACKGROUND
ON WHO
WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
Berry: DAVE'S INFORMATION
ABOUT JIM BACKS UP
STEPHANIE'S FINDINGS, BUT WE
STILL DON'T KNOW WHO MARY IS.
♪♪
WE ALREADY INVESTIGATED
TWO SEPARATE MARYS --
CINDY'S GRANDMOTHER
AND THE FORMER HOMEOWNER.
WE'RE PUTTING MOTION DETECTORS
IN THE KITCHEN,
WHICH IS WHERE
THEY HEAR THE FOOTSTEPS
AND WHERE THE STOVE TURNED OFF.
[ MOTION DETECTOR BEEPING ]
IT'S TOTALLY WORKING.
Bruni: ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE GOOD.
AND SINCE THE FEMALE VOICE
CALLS OUT TO CARL,
WE NEED TO GET HIM BACK IN HERE.
MAYBE HE'LL HAVE
SOME MORE INFORMATION FOR US.
I DID HAVE
A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
- IS THERE ANYBODY IN YOUR HISTORY
NAMED MARY? - YES.
WHO WOULD THAT BE?
I HAVE AN AUNT
NAMED MARY.
SO, YOUR AUNT, THOUGH,
IS STILL LIVING?
NO.
MY AUNT MARY IS DEAD.
Berry:
WHAT WAS HER LAST NAME?
McCARDLE.
AND THAT WAS
A BAD DEATH.
SHE VEERED
OFF THE ROAD --
OH, MY GOD.
OHH. OKAY.
AND WERE YOU CLOSE
WITH HER?
- YES. - OKAY.
- YEP.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S HELPFUL.
- I CAN'T SAY ANY DETAILS
REALLY FURTHER BEYOND... - OKAY.
...THE QUESTION.
WE'LL SEE WHAT
WE GET TO TELL YOU TOMORROW.
OH.
SOUNDS GOOD.
♪♪
SO FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU THINK
THAT'S OUR MARY?
I MEAN,
IT'S ANOTHER MARY,
AND IT'S MORE CONNECTED
TO HIM.
MAYBE POTENTIALLY,
WE'LL KNOW MORE TONIGHT
WHEN WE INVESTIGATE,
BUT, I MEAN, I KNOW
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MARYS,
- BUT WHAT ARE THE ODDS?
- RIGHT.
OBVIOUSLY,
WE HAVE TO INVESTIGATE IT
AND WE HAVE TO SEE,
BUT WE HAVE
A FIRST AND LAST NAME.
♪♪
♪♪
ALL RIGHT,
HERE WE ARE.
♪♪
WE'LL DO
AN EVP SESSION FIRST.
WHAT IF I DO IT
BY MYSELF SOMEWHERE?
BECAUSE --
YES, YES. GO.
I MEAN, LIKE,
COMPLETELY BY MYSELF.
YEAH.
WOMEN-TO-WOMEN -- IT'S FINE.
YOU WANT TO JUST DO IT
IN HERE BY YOURSELF?
OKAY.
- YOU GOOD?
- YEP.
♪♪
OKAY, AMY, I AM
WATCHING YOU ON THE DVR.
SO RIGHT NOW,
AMY IS ALONE IN THE BEDROOM,
AND SHE'S GONNA TRY
TO SPEAK TO WHOEVER IT IS --
WHATEVER MARY THAT'S BEEN
REACHING OUT TO US --
ALL BY HERSELF.
OKAY, MARY.
IT'S JUST ME NOW,
AMY.
AND...
I'M JUST WONDERING
IF MAYBE
WOULD YOU PREFER
TO JUST TALK TO ME?
[ MOTION DETECTOR BEEPS ]
♪♪
[ MOTION DETECTOR BEEPING ]
THAT'S NOT ME.
I DID NOT SEE ANYBODY
MOVING IN THE KITCHEN,
AND I'M STARING
AT THE KITCHEN.
♪♪
This whole bed
is shaking.
♪♪
SO RIGHT NOW AMY IS ALONE
IN THE BEDROOM.
OKAY, MARY.
IT'S JUST ME NOW,
AMY.
I'M JUST WONDERING
IF MAYBE WOULD YOU PREFER
TO JUST TALK TO ME?
♪♪
[ MOTION DETECTOR BEEPING ]
THAT'S NOT ME.
I DID NOT SEE ANYBODY
MOVING IN THE KITCHEN,
AND I'M STARING
AT THE KITCHEN.
This whole bed
is shaking.
♪♪
****
♪♪
WELL,
IF YOU'RE HERE,
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE
TRYING TO REACH OUT TO THEM
SO THEY CAN TELL
YOUR STORY
OR IF YOU'RE JUST CONFUSED
OR A LITTLE LOST.
- I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN SPLIT UP FOR...
- MAYBE FIVE MINUTES?
[ MOTION DETECTOR BEEPING ]
THE MOTION SENSOR
KEEPS GOING OFF.
THAT'S NOT ME.
I'm going to
listen to the recorder.
Adam,
it's quiet.
I mean, I didn't get anything
on the recorder.
I think
you should come back.
[ DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS ]
HI.
SO WHILE
YOU WERE DOWN THERE
AND I WAS UP HERE BY MYSELF,
IT WAS JUST --
ALL THIS STUFF
STARTED HAPPENING ALL AT ONCE.
Berry: OKAY.
SO STUFF WAS HAPPENING,
BUT MY EVP SESSION
CAME UP EMPTY.
OKAY.
USE THAT
AS A BACKUP,
AND I'M GOING TO PUT OUT
TWO MORE K-IIs
AND SEE
IF WE GET ANYTHING.
LET'S DO THIS.
BY THE WAY,
IF YOU'RE IN HERE
AND YOU WANT
TO INTERACT WITH US,
YOU CAN GRAB ANY
OF THESE DEVICES THAT YOU SEE.
WE KNOW --
WE KNOW SOMEONE IS HERE
WITH CARL AND CINDY.
AND WE REALLY
NEED TO TELL THEM
WHO YOU ARE
AND WHY YOU'RE HERE.
SO PLEASE, CAN YOU JUST TELL US
YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME?
WHY ARE YOU HERE?
SO, WHOEVER'S HERE,
I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD
CARL AND CINDY TALK ABOUT
HOW FRUSTRATED THEY ARE
BECAUSE OF WHATEVER IT IS
THAT YOU DO.
I THINK THAT IF
THEY JUST KNEW WHO YOU WERE
AND THAT YOU DON'T
MEAN ANY HARM,
THEY WOULDN'T BE
SO FRUSTRATED.
THE K-II
JUST WENT OFF.
OKAY,
SO LET ME RECORD.
♪♪
IS THIS
MARY McCARDLE
THAT'S GRABBING
THESE BOXES IN FRONT?
IF THAT'S YOU, CAN YOU GRAB ON
TO THOSE BOXES AGAIN, PLEASE?
♪♪
CAN YOU DO IT
ON THE COUNT OF THREE?
♪♪
ONE...
TWO...
THREE.
♪♪
IS THIS MARY McCARDLE?
IF THAT'S YOU,
CAN YOU GRAB ONTO THOSE BOXES?
♪♪
CAN YOU DO IT
ON THE COUNT OF THREE?
ONE...TWO...THREE.
♪♪
THAT'S INSANE TO ME.
THEY'RE BOTH GOING OFF.
ARE YOU MARY McCARDLE?
♪♪
MARY McCARDLE,
IF THAT'S YOU --
♪♪
MARY McCARDLE?
EVERY TIME.
EVERY TIME.
WHY ARE YOU HERE?
♪♪
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE CARL
A MESSAGE NOW?
WOULD YOU LIKE
TO STAY HERE?
ARE YOU STILL HERE?
I KNOW IT TAKES
A LOT OF ENERGY.
SHE MIGHT HAVE USED IT UP
COMMUNICATING WITH THE K-IIs.
WHY WOULD SHE BE HERE?
WHY WOULD SHE PICK CARL
TO COMMUNICATE WITH?
WE HAVE
A LOT OF GREAT THINGS.
LIKE, WE HAVE A LOT
OF GOOD THINGS...
MM-HMM.
...TO TALK ABOUT.
- OH, YEAH!
I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE TO REVIEW
THE EVIDENCE FROM TONIGHT.
THE REAL QUESTION IS,
WILL THEY FIND COMFORT
IN WHAT WE'RE TELLING THEM?
- MM-HMM. LET'S PACK IT UP...
- ALL RIGHT.
...AND RECONVENE TOMORROW.
♪♪
♪♪
Bruni: WELL,
I CAN TELL YOU
THAT OF ALL THE CASES
WE'VE DONE,
THIS ONE LEFT US
SCRATCHING OUR HEADS
- UNTIL THE LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT.
- WOW.
Berry: MM-HMM.
WE HAD EXPERIENCES
THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HAD
ON MANY OCCASIONS,
AND SO WE'RE ABLE
TO VALIDATE A LOT OF THAT.
WE BOTH EXPERIENCED
FOOTSTEPS UPSTAIRS
- WHILE WE WERE DOWN HERE.
- YEAH.
AND WE DEFINITELY
GOT THE VIBE
THAT WHATEVER IT WAS
WAS KIND OF AVOIDING US,
WHERE WE WOULD BE
IN ONE PLACE,
IT WOULD BE MAKING NOISE
SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Carl:
YEAH. YEAH, YEAH.
Bruni:
WE THINK WE KNOW WHY.
AND SO WE'LL PLAY
SOME OF THIS EVIDENCE FOR YOU.
Berry: THE FIRST THING
I'LL SHOW YOU IS
WE WERE INVESTIGATING
IN YOUR BEDROOM.
Bruni: HAVE YOU SEEN
ONE OF THESE BEFORE?
IF YOU HAVE,
MAKE IT LIGHT UP.
♪♪
WOW.
Bruni: AND ON THE SAME NIGHT,
WE GOT THIS.
THIS WAS
THE FIRST EVP
THAT WE CAUGHT
AS WE WERE INVESTIGATING.
SO, AND YOU CAN JUST TELL ME
WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS.
WHAT ABOUT MARY?
IS SOMEONE HERE
NAMED MARY?
[ INDISTINCT VOICE ]
MARY IS HERE.
OH, MY GOD.
Berry: RIGHT?
Carl: YEAH.
- MARY. IS. HERE.
- MM-HMM.
WOW.
BECAUSE THE ACTIVITY
SEEMED TO BE AROUND YOU SO MUCH,
SO WE THOUGHT, "IS IT A MARY
THAT'S ASSOCIATED YOU?"
SO THAT'S WHY
WE DID ASK YOU THAT.
WE WENT BACK
TO THE K-IIs
BECAUSE IT WAS GETTING
SUCH A GOOD RESPONSE.
AND SO I SAID,
"IS THIS MARY McCARDLE?"
BA-DA-DING!
AND I SAID,
"MARY McCARDLE."
BA-RING!
ARE YOU MARY McCARDLE?
♪♪
EVERY TIME.
WOW!
THAT WAS, LIKE, KIND OF
THE FINAL -- WE HAVE OUR MARY.
WOULD YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHY
SHE WOULD BE HANGING AROUND YOU?
MY GOD.
SHE WAS MY GODMOTHER.
All: OH!
OH, MY GOD.
THERE WE GO.
I GET GOOSEBUMPS.
I FEEL --
- Berry: THERE IT IS!
- Bruni: MM-HMM.
GET OUT, OH, MY GOD.
I GOT WICKED GOOSEBUMPS.
[ CHUCKLES ]
SHE'S PROBABLY
CHECKING IN ON YOU.
I MEAN, EVEN IF SHE'S NOT HERE
ALL THE TIME,
SHE'S PROBABLY,
LIKE,
DOING HER
GODMOTHERLY DUTIES, YOU KNOW?
YEAH.
YOUR AUNT
POPS IN AND OUT,
BUT THE THUDS,
THINGS BEING MOVED,
THE STOVE,
DOESN'T SEEM LIKE MARY.
AND AS WE HAVE LEARNED,
MANY TIMES,
WHO WE EXPECT
IS NOT USUALLY WHO IT IS.
SO WE WERE TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT WHO MARY WAS,
AND WE BROUGHT IN
ONE OF MY GOOD FRIENDS.
Bruni:
STEPHANIE IS --
I CONSIDER TO BE
A VERY GIFTED PSYCHIC.
AND SHE DID A WALK-THROUGH
OF YOUR HOUSE.
AND IMMEDIATELY,
SHE WALKED IN,
AND SHE SAID
THERE WAS A MAN HERE.
I SAW A MAN
STANDING IN THAT BACK CORNER.
HE COMES UP, HE DOES HIS THING,
IS WHAT HE SAYS.
LIKE, "SOMETIMES,
I BUMP INTO THINGS."
AND SHE WAS ABLE
TO EXACTLY DESCRIBE
THE FORMER HOMEOWNER JIM.
THAT'S COOL.
SO, YEAH.
WE THINK, LIKE, MOST OF
YOUR ACTIVITY IS ATTRIBUTED
PROBABLY TO JIM.
WE THINK HE'S THE ONE
THAT'S MOVING THINGS AROUND.
- MAYBE ACCIDENTLY HITTING THE BED
AS HE GOES BY, LIKE... - YES.
Cindy: AH!
WHICH ALSO
COULD EXPLAIN THE STOVE.
HE'S BUMPING INTO THINGS --
MOVING THEM.
BUT THAT HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW
HE'S DOING IT.
IF YOU EXPERIENCE SOMETHING,
YOU KNOW, SAY OUT LOUD --
JUST LET HIM KNOW
WHAT HIS --
WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE,
'CAUSE HE MAY NOT REALIZE IT.
Cindy: THAT MAKES ME
FEEL GOOD.
Carl: YEAH.
BUT I THINK NOW THAT YOU KNOW
THE MOTIVATION
AND NOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND
WHO IS BEHIND IT,
IT KIND OF PUTS IT INTO
A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
YEAH.
AND THERE'S NO MALICE BEHIND IT.
NONE.
AND ALONG THOSE LINES,
WE DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANYTHING
TO WORRY ABOUT
AS FAR AS IT ESCALATING
TO SOMETHING
MORE SERIOUS.
SO WE BROUGHT STEPHANIE
HERE WITH US TODAY.
WE WERE HOPING WE COULD JUST
KIND OF ALL OF US GET TOGETHER,
AND SHE'LL KIND OF BE
THE GO-BETWEEN.
♪♪
Bruni: CARL AND CINDY
ACCEPT THE FORMER HOMEOWNER JIM
JUST WANTS TO STAY IN THE HOME
WHERE HE GREW UP.
WELCOMING JIM AND ESTABLISHING
CLEAR BOUNDARIES
SHOULD CUT DOWN ON THE ACTIVITY
THAT BOTHERED THEM.
HE HAD SAID THAT IT WASN'T
NECESSARILY A FAMILY CONNECTION,
BUT HE CONSIDERED
YOU GUYS FAMILY.
BEAUTIFUL.
- OH, THAT'LL WORK.
- Berry: YEAH.
Bruni: I LOVE SEEING THE SHIFT
TO JUST FULLY ACCEPTING IT.
Carl:
MM-HMM. YEAH.
AND REALIZING
THE MOTIVATION.
- I FEEL PEACEFUL.
- I -- YEAH.
I DO.
I HAVEN'T REALLY FELT LIKE THIS
IN A LONG TIME.
IT IS
A DIFFERENT FEELING.
Bruni: WE CONNECTED
WITH CARL'S AUNT MARY.
KNOWING SHE'S HERE TO
WATCH OVER HIM GAVE HIM PEACE.
NOTHING IN THIS HOUSE
IS AGGRESSIVE OR NEGATIVE,
AND CARL AND CINDY
CAN FINALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE
IN THEIR OWN HOME.
♪♪
BRUNI: Did someone walk in front
of the motion detector?
THAT'S NOT ME.
I DO NOT
SEE ANYBODY.
****
WHATEVER IT IS ALWAYS
TOUCHES ME ON MY RIGHT ARM.
Stephanie: I SAW A MAN STANDING
IN THAT BACK CORNER.
HE KIND OF JUST
WANTS ME TO GO AWAY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE
RUNNING AGAINST THE DOOR.
♪♪
'This whole bed
is shaking.
♪♪
[ DOOR CREAKS ]
Bruni: I'M AMY BRUNI.
I WAS ONLY 8
WHEN A PARANORMAL INCIDENT
CHANGED MY LIFE FOREVER.
[ GIRL LAUGHS ]
SINCE THEN,
I'VE DEDICATED MY TIME
TO SOLVING THE MOST TERRIFYING
HAUNTINGS IMAGINABLE.
Berry: I'M ADAM BERRY.
MORE THAN A DECADE AGO,
AN ENCOUNTER AT GETTYSBURG
ROCKED MY BELIEFS
ABOUT THE SUPERNATURAL.
Bruni: TOGETHER,
WE UNCOVER THE TRUTH
- BEHIND THE UNEXPLAINABLE.
- OH.
OH, MY GOD.
NOW WE ARE ON
OUR MOST IMPORTANT MISSION YET.
♪♪
HELPING FAMILIES
OVERCOME THEIR FEAR,
TAKE BACK THEIR HOMES,
AND RECLAIM THEIR LIVES.
♪♪
Berry: SO, UM, I HAVE TO
TELL YOU ABOUT CARL AND CINDY.
Bruni: OKAY.
SO, THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE
FIVE YEARS AGO,
AND THE ACTIVITY
IS ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.
REALLY?
YEAH.
LISTEN TO THIS.
THIS IS HIS VOICEMAIL.
YOU CAN HEAR IT
IN HIS VOICE.
♪♪
♪♪
THIS JUST HAPPENED --
THE STOVE THING.
THAT'S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS,
BUT THE FREAKIEST THING
THAT HE TOLD ME
WAS THAT HE WAS WORKING ON
CHAIRS THAT HE HAD JUST BOUGHT.
RIGHT.
AND THEY WERE ON THE TABLE
BUTT-SIDE DOWN,
WITH THE LEGS UP,
AND NEXT TO HIM,
THIS CHAIR LIFTS US
A LITTLE BIT,
FLOATS OUT,
FLIPS UP LIKE THIS,
AND THEN SITS
RIGHT BACK DOWN.
AND THAT IS HONESTLY
THE CRAZIEST CLAIM
THAT I'VE EVER HEARD
IN TERMS OF AN OBJECT MOVING
IN FRONT OF SOMEONE
WHO IS HAVING PARANORMAL
ACTIVITY IN THEIR HOUSE.
WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE
WHATEVER'S THERE
IS FRANTICALLY TRYING
TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM
OR LET THEM KNOW
THAT IT'S THERE.
RIGHT.
HE'S WORRIED,
YOU KNOW --
HE'S WORRIED
THAT IT'S GONNA PICK UP.
HE'S WORRIED THAT
THE ACTIVITY'S GONNA KEEP GOING.
I CAN SEE WHY
THAT WOULD BE ALARMING.
YEAH.
SO WE HAVE TO HELP THEM.
YEAH.
♪♪
Berry:
IT SOUNDS LIKE CARL AND CINDY
DEAL WITH ACTIVITY EVERY DAY.
BUT NOW, WHATEVER'S CAUSING THE
DISTURBANCE IS GETTING WORSE.
THE ACTIVITY IS ACTUALLY
FRIGHTENING THEM.
THE SCARY PART --
THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW
IF THE INTENTION
IS POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.
BUT THE STOVETOP TURNING ON
AND OFF COULD BE DANGEROUS.
AND THEY DON'T WANT
THE ACTIVITY TO PICK UP,
SO THERE'S A LOT AT STAKE HERE.
LET'S START
FROM THE BEGINNING,
AND YOU JUST TELL US
EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
AFTER WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE --
WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE ABOUT 2012,
AND THERE WAS SOMEBODY
WHO HAD BEEN LIVING HERE
AND WAS REALLY A MESS,
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
Bruni: MM-HMM.
AND I TORE
EVERYTHING OUT.
IS THAT ABOUT WHEN
THE ACTIVITY STARTED?
YEP.
BUT I DON'T THINK
IT'S SURE OF ME.
OKAY.
I THINK
IT LIKES CARL BETTER.
OKAY, AND WHAT
MAKES YOU SAY THAT?
IT'S MORE AROUND HIM
THAN IT IS FOR ME.
MM-HMM. OKAY.
ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY
HAPPENING IN THIS SPACE?
YES.
MM-HMM.
I WAS LYING ON THE COUCH,
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN,
SOMEBODY SAID,
"CARL, HI.
I'M HERE."
Bruni:
THE VOICE --
IT SOUNDED LIKE
IT WAS FAMILIAR WITH YOU?
OR...
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE
IT WAS COMFORTABLE, OR...
IT SOUNDED LIKE
IT WAS COMFORTABLE BEING HERE.
OKAY.
AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE,
I'LL HEAR, LIKE, MUSIC.
YOU HEAR THE MUSIC
REGULARLY, OR...
YES.
DOES IT SOUND LIKE
IT HAS A FILTER
IN BETWEEN YOU AND ITSELF,
OR IS IT CLEAR?
- IT'S NOT CLEAR.
- OKAY.
Cindy: BUT YOU DEFINITELY
KNOW IT'S MUSIC.
OKAY.
AND IT'S BEEN AMPING UP.
WE'VE HAD KNOCKING,
WE'VE HAD...
FOOTSTEPS.
TOUCHING.
WHERE IN THE HOUSE
DOES THE TOUCHING HAPPEN?
UPSTAIRS.
OKAY.
♪♪
Cindy: THE TOUCHING HAPPENS
UP HERE.
THE KNOCKING
HAPPENS UP HERE.
THE SOUNDS --
THE BOOMS --
THEY'RE ALWAYS AT A --
STRONG.
WHAT DOES IT
SOUND LIKE, EXACTLY?
IT SOUNDS LIKE, SAY,
- SOMEONE RUNNING AGAINST THE DOOR.
- MM-HMM.
LIKE THE THUD.
AND THEN THE KNOCKING
IS DIFFERENT.
Berry: IT'S JUST
DEFINITE KNOCKS?
IT'S DEFINITE KNOCKS.
WHERE IN THIS --
WHERE?
IT'S COME OUT
OF THIS ROOM.
THIS IS OUR DRESSING ROOM.
OUT OF THE CLOSET.
IN THE CLOSET,
THE KNOCKS?
- Cindy: YES.
- YEAH.
OKAY. LIKE...
[ KNOCKING ON DOOR ]
RIGHT, YEAH.
AND IT WAS ON
THE ACTUAL DOOR HERE?
Bruni: AND THAT ONLY HAPPENED
THAT ONE TIME?
Cindy: NO, ABOUT THREE TIMES
THAT HAS HAPPENED.
[ KNOCKING ON DOOR ]
Berry:
LIKE THAT?
YES,
JUST LIKE THAT.
♪♪
THIS WAS THE WORKSHOP,
AND IT WAS PROBABLY
LIKE RIGHT ABOUT HERE
WHERE THAT CHAIR WAS.
AND I WAS STANDING
ABOUT HERE,
AND THAT'S WHEN
IT JUST SLID OUT
AND TURNED RIGHT-SIDE-UP
AND THEN CAME DOWN
TO THE FLOOR.
AND IT DIDN'T EVEN SLAM --
WHICH I CAN'T UNDERSTAND.
SO, SOMEONE, LIKE,
SET IT DOWN ALMOST?
LIKE THEY
SET IT DOWN, RIGHT.
ALMOST AS IF
THEY WERE PULLING OUT A CHAIR
AT A DINING-ROOM TABLE
AND SITTING DOWN --
THEY'RE GONNA TALK TO ME
OR SOMETHING.
OKAY.
SO, THIS WAS WHAT TIME
OF THE DAY?
IT WAS AT NIGHT.
IT WAS AT NIGHT.
AND HOW SOON AFTER
YOU MOVED IN DID THAT HAPPEN?
IT WASN'T THAT LONG.
YEP.
HMM.
Berry: ANY IDEA WHO
YOU MIGHT THINK IT IS?
Bruni: MM-HMM.
Carl:
I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW
WHEN MY GRANDMOTHER HAD DIED,
WE WERE
VERY, VERY CLOSE.
WHAT WAS YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S
NAME, REALLY QUICK?
MY GRANDMOTHER'S NAME
WAS HELEN.
OKAY.
Bruni: SOMETHING DOESN'T FEEL
QUITE RIGHT.
WE KNOW FROM PAST CASES
THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS
THE MOST LIKELY SUSPECT,
AND IF IT WAS
A LOVING FAMILY MEMBER,
WHY WOULD CARL AND CINDY
FEEL SO THREATENED BY IT?
I NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH CINDY
AND SEE IF THERE IS
SOMETHING ELSE AT PLAY HERE.
HOW DOES IT FEEL
TO HAVE THIS THING
THAT'S HERE WITH YOU?
INTIMIDATING.
IT'S LIKE AN INVASION.
RIGHT.
VERY, LIKE,
VERY MUCH SO.
HAS THERE EVER
BEEN ANYTHING
THAT YOU FELT
ESPECIALLY AFRAID OF?
UPSTAIRS,
I DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE
SOMEONE'S STANDING
NEXT TO ME,
WATCHING ME.
AND WHATEVER IT IS ALWAYS
TOUCHES ME ON MY RIGHT ARM.
MM-HMM.
WHEN ALL THE ACTIVITY
REALLY STARTED RAMPING UP,
I GOT MORE WORRIED
ABOUT WALKING UPSTAIRS
OR WALKING DOWNSTAIRS.
HOW MUCH FURTHER
WAS IT GONNA GO?
THAT'S WHAT REALLY
MADE ME AFRAID.
RIGHT.
YOUR OWN PERSONAL SAFETY
AT THAT POINT.
YEAH, FOR ME.
YES.
IS THERE ANYBODY
THAT YOU CAN THINK OF
THAT MAYBE
YOU HAVE LOST
OR BEEN CONNECTED TO
OVER THE YEARS?
THE ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF
IS MY GRANDMOTHER.
WHEN SHE PASSED AWAY,
NOBODY KNEW
THAT SHE WAS ILL,
AND NONE OF US KIDS
GOT TO GO TO SEE HER.
HER NAME WAS MARY.
ALL RIGHT.
DO YOU THINK
IT'S SOMETHING
OR SOMEONE
THAT KNEW CARL
OR DO YOU THINK
IT CAME WITH THE HOUSE?
IF I HAD TO GUESS
IF IT WAS ONE PERSON,
IT WOULD BE
HIS GRANDMOTHER.
DOES IT EVER
MAKE YOU WORRY FOR HIM?
I DO,
BUT I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING.
YEAH.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT HIM
TO KNOW HOW MUCH I WORRY.
♪♪
♪♪
Bruni: CINDY'S WATCHED
OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS
AS THIS ACTIVITY HAS ESCALATED.
THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP IS THAT
THIS THING GETS PHYSICAL.
SHE SAID SHE'S AFRAID
SOMETHING'S GONNA
PUSH THEM DOWN THE STAIRS,
AND THAT'S KIND OF
HER WORST NIGHTMARE.
Bruni: DO YOU WANT
TO START UPSTAIRS?
Berry: YEAH,
LET'S DO THAT.
IN THE BEDROOM?
OR...
I THINK
THAT'S THE MOST LOGICAL PLACE.
THAT'S WHERE
CINDY FEELS LIKE
SHE GETS TOUCHED
THE MOST -- UP THERE.
DO YOU THINK THAT FREAKS HER OUT
MORE THAN SHE'S LETTING ON?
SHE SAYS SHE WORRIES
THAT BECAUSE IT'S ESCALATED
OVER THE YEARS,
LIKE SINCE THEY GOT HERE,
SHE'S AFRAID THE NEXT STEP
WILL BE AT, LIKE,
ACTUALLY HARMING THEM.
♪♪
WHATEVER'S HERE
SEEMS VERY PHYSICAL.
WE HOPE IT WILL USE
THAT ENERGY TO REACH OUT.
SINCE WE DON'T KNOW
HOW IT WILL COMMUNICATE,
WE'LL USE A RECORDER TO CAPTURE
ANY ELECTRONIC VOICE PHENOMENA
AND A K II METER TO DETECT
ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS GENERATED
WHEN A SPIRIT COULD BE PRESENT.
OKAY, I WOULD LIKE
TO START DOING EVP WORK.
- HEY, UH, ADAM?
- YES?
THE K-II METER
IS GOING OFF.
♪♪
Bruni: HELLO,
IS SOMEONE IN HERE?
CAN YOU MAKE THIS
GO ALL THE WAY UP TO RED?
♪♪
YOU CAN LET IT GO.
MAKE IT STOP.
♪♪
Berry: I'M SORRY.
IT JUST STOPPED.
I'M GONNA ASK YOU
SOME QUESTIONS.
IT IT'S
A "YES" ANSWER,
I WANT YOU
TO LIGHT IT UP, OKAY?
ARE YOU STILL HERE
WITH US?
[ CREAKING ]
- HEAR THAT? - NO.
- DID YOU HEAR THAT?
WHAT DID YOU JUST HEAR?
I DON'T KNOW.
♪♪
ARE YOU STILL HERE
WITH US?
♪♪
[ CREAKING ]
- HEAR THAT? - NO.
- DID YOU HEAR THAT?
WHAT DID YOU JUST HEAR?
I DON'T KNOW.
IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS
COMING FROM, LIKE, OVER THERE.
WHY DON'T YOU
SIT IN THERE?
BYE.
♪♪
I'M HEARING MOVEMENT
IN THIS ROOM.
- IN WHAT ROOM?
- HERE.
♪♪
I NEED TO, LIKE,
OPEN THIS DOOR.
♪♪
THE DOOR THAT'S ALWAYS
TAPPED ON IS THAT ONE.
THIS IS --
OKAY, LET ME LISTEN.
OKAY, NO, ADAM.
SERIOUSLY.
NO.
I JUST HEARD TAPPING
ON THIS DOOR.
NO, THERE'S, LIKE,
SOMETHING RUMMAGING, LIKE,
KEH, KEH, KEH,
LIKE, ON THE DOOR.
I'M GONNA BRING THE K-II
IN HERE JUST TO...
♪♪
I'M GONNA
RUN THIS, TOO.
♪♪
ALL RIGHT.
WHOEVER'S HERE...
CAN YOU
KNOCK ON THAT DOOR AGAIN?
MAYBE UP TOWARDS
THIS AREA?
DO YOU KNOW HELEN?
WHAT ABOUT MARY?
IS THERE SOMEONE HERE
NAMED MARY?
[ STATIC ]
- WAIT, GO BACK.
- WHOA.
WHAT WAS THAT?
I'M SORRY, WHAT?
[ INDISTINCT VOICE ]
MARY IS HERE!
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
WAIT.
[ CHUCKLES ]
MARY IS HERE.
WHO IS MARY AGAIN?
MARY WAS
CINDY'S GRANDMOTHER.
LET ME -- UP HERE.
YEAH.
LET'S PUT IT
RIGHT HERE.
♪♪
IF YOU'RE HERE WITH US,
CAN YOU JUST LET US KNOW
BY GRABBING THAT
GREEN LIGHT THERE, YOU SEE?
IF YOU GRAB IT,
HOLD ON TO IT.
- IT WILL GO FROM --
- THERE WE GO.
ARE YOU
CINDY'S GRANDMOTHER?
NO, YOU DON'T WANT TO GRAB
THAT GREEN LIGHT?
DO YOU WANT
TO TALK TO US?
IT'S WEIRD HOW SOMETIMES
IT JUST GOES TOTALLY SILENT.
♪♪
IT'S SO WEIRD
THAT THE ACTIVITY STOPPED
WHEN WE ASKED
IF IT WAS CINDY'S GRANDMOTHER.
SO, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER MARY
ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOUSE
THAT WE JUST
HAVEN'T FOUND YET.
THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN DUG INTO
THE HISTORY YET, THOUGH.
RIGHT.
WELL, WHAT I'LL DO
IS TOMORROW,
I'M GONNA GO TO,
LIKE, THE TOWN HALL,
AND I'LL START
DIGGING INTO THE DEEDS
AND GET NAMES
ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOUSE.
MM-HMM. MM-HMM.
OKAY.
I'M GOING TO SET UP
AN EXPERIMENT IN THE BASEMENT
AND SEE
IF ANYTHING HAPPENS.
ALL RIGHT, WELL,
LET'S DO THAT, THEN.
♪♪
Bruni: YOU KNOW,
LIKE ALL THE CASES WE DO,
WE RELY INTENSELY ON RESEARCH.
I'M GONNA DIG INTO
THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE,
THE FORMER OWNERS, THE LAND.
♪♪
I'M GONNA SET UP THE CAMERA
HERE IN THE BASEMENT
BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE
THAT CHAIR WAS ON THE TABLE
AND IT KIND OF
FLIPPED OFF BY ITSELF.
I'M GONNA PUT A CHAIR
ON THAT TABLE,
AND WE'RE GONNA MONITOR IT AND
SEE IF WE CAN CATCH ANYTHING.
♪♪
WHAT DID YOU
COME ACROSS?
WELL, THE MAN
WHO LIVED IN THIS HOUSE
BEFORE CARL AND CINDY
WAS NAMED JIM.
HE DIED OF CANCER
IN 2010.
HE WAS 58.
BASICALLY, WHAT HAPPENED WAS
THIS HOUSE ORIGINALLY --
IN 1930--
A GROUP OF PEOPLE,
THEY WERE PROBABLY RELATED,
THEY BOUGHT THIS PLOT.
THE PREVIOUS OWNER JIM --
THAT WAS HIS FAMILY.
IT HAS BEEN IN HIS FAMILY
SINCE 1930.
TWO OF THE WOMEN
WHO ORIGINALLY BUILT THE HOUSE
AND WERE IN THIS ORIGINAL
GROUP OF PEOPLE --
ONE WAS NAMED MARY,
AND ONE WAS NAMED MARIE.
- Berry: IN THIS HOUSE?
- IN THIS HOUSE.
OUR CLIENTS ARE
THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT LIVED HERE
THAT WERE NOT
RELATIVES OF JIM.
THAT COULD BE WHY THE ACTIVITY
STARTED WHEN THEY MOVED IN.
LET'S FOCUS ON FIGURING OUT
WHICH MARY IS HERE.
YOU WANT TO START
IN THE BASEMENT?
YEAH.
♪♪
Berry:
WATCH YOUR HEAD.
Bruni: OH ****
WATCH YOUR HEAD.
WATCH YOUR HEAD.
♪♪
Bruni: I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER --
THEY HAD THE FOOT--
THEY HEAR FOOTSTEPS UPSTAIRS
WHILE THEY'RE DOWN HERE, RIGHT?
AND THEN HE HAD THE CHAIR
INCIDENT HAPPEN DOWN HERE.
THAT WAS
THE MAJOR THING.
OKAY, I WANT TO TRY
THE SPIRIT BOX FOR A LITTLE BIT.
Bruni: LAST NIGHT, SOMETHING
DEFINITELY SPOKE TO US.
SINCE THIS ENTITY WANTS TO TALK,
WE'RE USING THE SPIRIT BOX
TO MAKE IT EASIER.
THIS DEVICE QUICKLY
SWEEPS THROUGH RADIO CHANNELS.
SPIRITS CAN SOMETIMES
MANIPULATE THAT WHITE NOISE
IN ORDER TO GET
A MESSAGE ACROSS.
♪♪
SO, IF YOU'RE IN HERE
WITH US,
MY NAME IS ADAM.
THIS IS AMY,
AND IF YOU TALK,
MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU
THROUGH THIS LITTLE DEVICE
THAT AMY'S HOLDING,
OKAY?
[ STATIC ]
CAN YOU TELL US
YOUR NAME?
[ RADIO CHATTER ]
[ DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS ]
CAN YOU
TRY THAT AGAIN?
CAN YOU TELL US
YOUR NAME?
[ STATIC ]
IS THIS YOUR HOUSE?
DO YOU KNOW
WHO MARY IS?
[ STATIC STOPS ]
DID YOU JUST
HEAR SOMEONE UPSTAIRS?
YEAH, I HEARD,
LIKE, A THUD.
IT'S LIKE A KNOCK
OR SOMETHING.
IT'S RIGHT ABOVE US.
♪♪
♪♪
RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE IS WHERE IT
SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS COMING FROM.
WAIT!
♪♪
OVER HERE.
♪♪
HELLO?
HELLO?
♪♪
I HEARD IT AGAIN,
BUT UP HERE.
HELLO?
♪♪
♪♪
DEFINITELY CAME
FROM THE BEDROOM.
LIKE, FIRST IT WAS
IN THE KITCHEN,
THEN IT GOES UP HERE
IN THE BEDROOM.
I HEARD ANOTHER, LIKE, THUD.
LIKE, SOMETHING STOMPING AROUND.
HELLO?
Bruni: ADAM?
YEAH.
I HEARD IT
ALL THE WAY UP IN THE BEDROOM.
SO I WENT RUNNING UP THERE
AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
THAT'S EXACTLY
WHAT THEY KEEP HEARING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING
IS, LIKE, THAT'S --
I WAS WAITING FOR THAT
BECAUSE THEY KEPT TALKING ABOUT
THIS THUD
THAT THEY HEARD ALL THE TIME.
AND WE'VE BEEN HERE NOW
FOR TWO DAYS
- AND HAVEN'T HEARD IT.
- THERE IT WAS.
AND THAT'S WHAT
THEY'RE HEARING.
MM-HMM.
IT WAS WEIRD BECAUSE IT HAPPENED
IN THE KITCHEN FIRST,
AND THEN I WENT
CHASING AFTER IT.
AND SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE
WHATEVER IT WAS, LIKE,
WAS GOING UPSTAIRS
TO GET AWAY FROM ME.
♪♪
LET'S USE THIS.
WHOEVER IS HERE,
ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE FROM US?
WE KNOW YOU GET CARL AND CINDY'S
ATTENTION BY BIG THUDS,
AND WE JUST HEARD ONE.
WAS THAT YOU?
CAN YOU
TELL US YOUR NAME?
MNH-MNH.
NOTHING'S TALKING
TO US RIGHT NOW.
♪♪
ALL RIGHT.
WELL --
OH, GOD.
OKAY.
♪♪
I CAN HONESTLY SAY RIGHT NOW
THAT WE HAVE NOT
HEARD FROM HELEN,
CARL'S GRANDMOTHER.
AT ALL?
NOT A PEEP.
BUT WE DO HAVE
THAT "MARY" EVP.
AND THE ONLY MARY
THEY REALLY CONFIRMED FOR US
WAS CINDY'S GRANDMOTHER.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS
HER GRANDMOTHER AT THIS POINT.
WE DID FIND A LOT --
A MARY FOR SURE
IN THE RESEARCH.
BUT WE GOT NOTHING
ON THAT.
WE NEED
MARY'S LAST NAME.
I THINK THAT
I'M GOING TO CALL STEPHANIE,
MY FRIEND,
THE PSYCHIC.
WE'LL JUST HAVE HER
DO A WALK-THROUGH
REAL QUICK TOMORROW.
JUST SEE
WHAT SHE COMES UP WITH.
♪♪
I'VE INVITED
MY FRIEND STEPHANIE HERE.
SHE'S A VERY GIFTED
PSYCHIC MEDIUM.
I JUST WANT HER TO COME AND DO
A WALK-THROUGH OF THE HOUSE
AND GIVE US HER IMPRESSIONS
AND HER FEELINGS
OF WHAT MIGHT BE GOING ON HERE.
PIECES OF EVIDENCE
AND EXPERIENCES
THAT WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR --
NONE OF THEM HAVE POINTED
TO ANYTHING DEFINITIVE.
WE SUPER APPRECIATE
YOU COMING OUT.
Stephanie: I'M EXCITED
TO BE WITH YOU GUYS AGAIN.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND
JUST DOING YOUR THING
AND JUST WALKING AROUND.
YOU GOT IT.
- I'M GOING TO GO THIS WAY.
- OKAY.
Berry: OKAY.
♪♪
ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GO THIS WAY.
MM-HMM.
WE'RE GOING UPSTAIRS.
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
♪♪
ALL RIGHT,
I'M GOING TO GO THIS WAY.
♪♪
Berry:
WATCH YOUR HEAD.
♪♪
OKAY.
WHEW.
I FOUND IT.
I SAW A MAN STANDING
IN THAT BACK CORNER.
♪♪
♪♪
ALL RIGHT,
I'M GOING TO GO THIS WAY.
OKAY.
WHEW.
I FOUND IT.
I SAW A MAN STANDING
IN THAT BACK CORNER.
♪♪
HE KIND OF JUST WANTS ME
TO GO AWAY.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND
WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SAY TO ME,
BUT I'M GOING TO GO
WITH, LIKE, A "J" NAME.
SO HE'S JUST SAYING,
"LIKE, I'M DOWN HERE.
LIKE,
LEAVE ME BE."
MM-HMM.
HE COMES UP, HE DOES HIS THING,
IS WHAT HE SAYS.
LIKE, "NOBODY GETS IN MY WAY.
I DO WHAT I NEED TO.
SOMETIMES,
I BUMP INTO THINGS."
BUT HE'S TALKING ABOUT
A MUSIC CONNECTION, TOO.
- A MUSIC CONNECTION?
- YEAH.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT
THE MUSIC.
EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE,
I'LL HEAR, LIKE, MUSIC.
THAT MAKES SENSE,
ACTUALLY.
- Stephanie: DOES IT?
- MM-HMM.
- THAT DOES MAKE SENSE.
- MM-HMM.
OKAY.
YEP.
I MEAN,
I'VE ASKED HIM
EVERY QUESTION
IN THE BOOK AT THIS POINT,
AND HE'S JUST KIND OF
SHOOING ME OUT THE DOOR.
OKAY.
HE HAS THE HOMEOWNERS
RIGHT NOW,
WHO ARE
VERY SWEET PEOPLE --
THEY KEEP KIND OF
SECOND-GUESSING THEMSELVES.
THE WAY
HE'S ACTING IS LIKE,
- "I'M JUST GOING ABOUT MY DAILY..."
- YEAH.
"...THING. LIKE, I'M NOT..."
LIKE ALMOST TAKEN ABACK BY,
LIKE, HIM UPSETTING SOMEBODY.
YEAH.
HE'S ACKNOWLEDGING THAT
THEY'RE NOT IN HIS WAY.
RIGHT. MM-HMM.
BUT HE'S STILL
DOING HIS JOB.
OKAY.
I'M GOING TO
GO THIS WAY.
[ CLEARS THROAT ]
UP HERE, I FEEL LIKE
THERE'S DIFFERENT ENERGIES
THAT ARE COMING IN --
COMING FROM UP HERE AND THEN
DOWN IN THE BASEMENT ROOM.
♪♪
[ SIGHS ]
SO THE OLDER GUY THAT I SAW
IN THE BASEMENT...
♪♪
...WANTS REALLY NOTHING
TO DO WITH TALKING TO ME.
I WOULD SAY --
I MEAN, I SAY, "OLDER,"
BUT HE'S SHOWING ME HIMSELF
ALMOST LIKE 50s, 60s.
OKAY,
HE'S SHOWING ME HIS HANDS,
AND HE'S SHOWING ME
THAT THEY'RE DIRTY.
♪♪
HE DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM
GETTING HIS HANDS DIRTY --
WORKED WITH SOMETHING THAT
CAUSED HIS HANDS TO BE DIRTY.
HE'S NOT
REALLY COMFORTABLE
WITH THE OVERFLOW
OF PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE.
Bruni: OKAY.
AT ALL.
Bruni:
UP UNTIL NOW,
WE'VE ONLY BEEN
INVESTIGATING ONE SPIRIT.
STEPHANIE PICKING UP ON
A SECOND ONE CHANGES EVERYTHING.
♪♪
Bruni: THIS HAS GONE
TOTALLY A DIFFERENT DIRECTION
THAN I EXPECTED.
I WAS WORRIED AT FIRST
BECAUSE IT TOOK HER A MINUTE.
THERE'S A LOT
OF ENERGY GOING ON.
YES,
AND SHE SAID THAT.
SHE SAID THERE'S
MULTIPLE ENERGIES IN HERE,
WHICH MAKES
A LOT OF SENSE.
THE NAME MARY
KEEPS COMING UP.
I REALLY THINK
SHE PICKED UP ON JIM.
SHE SAID THAT HE WAS
IN HIS 50s OR 60s.
MM-HMM.
THE "J" NAME.
- A "J" NAME.
- RIGHT.
- IT MAKES SENSE WHY HE'S NOT
TALKING TO US A LOT. - MM-HMM.
HE'S NOT INTERESTED IN US.
HE'S JUST DOING HIS THING.
LIKE, THIS IS HIS HOUSE STILL.
RIGHT.
SO...
IT MAKES SENSE TO ME
THAT JIM WOULD STILL BE HERE.
HE'S LIVED HERE
HIS ENTIRE LIFE.
BUT I THINK WE NEED
TO LOOK INTO JIM.
♪♪
Berry: BASED ON WHAT STEPHANIE
SAYS, I MEAN, WHO KNOWS?
MAYBE JIM STILL IS HERE.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW YET.
I MEAN, OUR INSTINCTS
ARE TELLING US THAT OBVIOUSLY,
JIM WOULD BE THE CULPRIT
IN THIS HOUSE
BASED ON THE THINGS
THAT WE KNOW.
BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY
DETERMINE EXACTLY WHO IS THERE
UNTIL WE GET CONFIRMATION.
HI!
YOU MUST BE DAVID.
- HI, HOW ARE YOU? HOW YOU DOING?
- HI, I'M AMY.
HI, AMY. I'M ADAM.
HI, ADAM.
HOW ARE YOU?
Berry:
THIS IS JIM'S COUSIN DAVE.
HE HAS BEEN IN THE HOUSE.
HE KNEW JIM VERY WELL,
AND WE'RE GOING TO GET A CHANCE
TO SPEAK WITH HIM
ABOUT WHO JIM WAS
AND GET TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT
MORE ABOUT THE HOUSE.
Bruni: YOU SPENT
A LOT OF TIME HERE, I TAKE IT?
- I SPENT SOME TIME HERE.
- YEAH. YEAH.
IT WAS A LOT DIFFERENT.
WE HEARD
HE HAD A LOT OF STUFF.
OH, MY GOD.
HE HAD SO MUCH STUFF IN HERE.
- IT WAS, LIKE, UNBELIEVABLE.
- MM-HMM.
- JIMMY WAS A GREAT GUY.
- YEAH.
Berry: YEAH.
YOU KNOW, HE WAS.
JIMMY WAS A GREAT GUY.
THE WAY HE WENT,
IT WASN'T...
YEAH, WE HEARD.
IT WAS A BAD THING.
WE HEARD
HE DIED OF CANCER.
THAT'S TERRIBLE.
AND THEY PUT HIM UNDER --
HE WAS IN A COMA.
MM. MM.
AND HE NEVER --
HE NEVER CAME OUT OF IT.
NO.
HE NEVER CAME OUT.
YOU KNOW, HE CAME TO MY HOUSE
WHEN HE GOT SICK.
MM.
MM-HMM.
AND HE BEGGED ME
TO TAKE HIS BUSINESS OVER.
- OHH. SO HE HAD A BUSINESS?
- YES.
WHAT WAS HIS BUSINESS?
HE DID CONSTRUCTION.
OKAY.
DID JIM HAVE
A CONNECTION TO MUSIC
AT ALL
THAT YOU WOULD KNOW OF?
I MEAN, WE USED TO GO UPSTAIRS
IN THE ATTIC
AND, YOU KNOW,
LISTEN TO MUSIC.
HE HAD -- ALL HIS MUSIC STUFF
WAS UPSTAIRS.
I KNOW HE HAD
DRUM SETS UP THERE,
HE HAD REEL-TO-REEL,
HE HAD --
YOU NAME IT,
HE HAD IT.
YEAH,
HE -- HE --
GOD, LOVED GOING AROUND
LISTENING TO MUSIC.
OKAY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK JIM
WOULD THINK OF THE HOUSE NOW?
JIM WOULD PROBABLY SAY...
"FINALLY."
YEAH.
YOU KNOW?
JIMMY WOULD BE VERY HAPPY
TO SEE THIS HOUSE LIKE IT IS.
- WELL, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME.
- NO PROBLEM.
IT'S BEEN SUPER HELPFUL.
IT'S ALWAYS NICE
TO GET SOME BACKGROUND
ON WHO
WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
Berry: DAVE'S INFORMATION
ABOUT JIM BACKS UP
STEPHANIE'S FINDINGS, BUT WE
STILL DON'T KNOW WHO MARY IS.
♪♪
WE ALREADY INVESTIGATED
TWO SEPARATE MARYS --
CINDY'S GRANDMOTHER
AND THE FORMER HOMEOWNER.
WE'RE PUTTING MOTION DETECTORS
IN THE KITCHEN,
WHICH IS WHERE
THEY HEAR THE FOOTSTEPS
AND WHERE THE STOVE TURNED OFF.
[ MOTION DETECTOR BEEPING ]
IT'S TOTALLY WORKING.
Bruni: ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE GOOD.
AND SINCE THE FEMALE VOICE
CALLS OUT TO CARL,
WE NEED TO GET HIM BACK IN HERE.
MAYBE HE'LL HAVE
SOME MORE INFORMATION FOR US.
I DID HAVE
A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
- IS THERE ANYBODY IN YOUR HISTORY
NAMED MARY? - YES.
WHO WOULD THAT BE?
I HAVE AN AUNT
NAMED MARY.
SO, YOUR AUNT, THOUGH,
IS STILL LIVING?
NO.
MY AUNT MARY IS DEAD.
Berry:
WHAT WAS HER LAST NAME?
McCARDLE.
AND THAT WAS
A BAD DEATH.
SHE VEERED
OFF THE ROAD --
OH, MY GOD.
OHH. OKAY.
AND WERE YOU CLOSE
WITH HER?
- YES. - OKAY.
- YEP.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S HELPFUL.
- I CAN'T SAY ANY DETAILS
REALLY FURTHER BEYOND... - OKAY.
...THE QUESTION.
WE'LL SEE WHAT
WE GET TO TELL YOU TOMORROW.
OH.
SOUNDS GOOD.
♪♪
SO FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU THINK
THAT'S OUR MARY?
I MEAN,
IT'S ANOTHER MARY,
AND IT'S MORE CONNECTED
TO HIM.
MAYBE POTENTIALLY,
WE'LL KNOW MORE TONIGHT
WHEN WE INVESTIGATE,
BUT, I MEAN, I KNOW
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MARYS,
- BUT WHAT ARE THE ODDS?
- RIGHT.
OBVIOUSLY,
WE HAVE TO INVESTIGATE IT
AND WE HAVE TO SEE,
BUT WE HAVE
A FIRST AND LAST NAME.
♪♪
♪♪
ALL RIGHT,
HERE WE ARE.
♪♪
WE'LL DO
AN EVP SESSION FIRST.
WHAT IF I DO IT
BY MYSELF SOMEWHERE?
BECAUSE --
YES, YES. GO.
I MEAN, LIKE,
COMPLETELY BY MYSELF.
YEAH.
WOMEN-TO-WOMEN -- IT'S FINE.
YOU WANT TO JUST DO IT
IN HERE BY YOURSELF?
OKAY.
- YOU GOOD?
- YEP.
♪♪
OKAY, AMY, I AM
WATCHING YOU ON THE DVR.
SO RIGHT NOW,
AMY IS ALONE IN THE BEDROOM,
AND SHE'S GONNA TRY
TO SPEAK TO WHOEVER IT IS --
WHATEVER MARY THAT'S BEEN
REACHING OUT TO US --
ALL BY HERSELF.
OKAY, MARY.
IT'S JUST ME NOW,
AMY.
AND...
I'M JUST WONDERING
IF MAYBE
WOULD YOU PREFER
TO JUST TALK TO ME?
[ MOTION DETECTOR BEEPS ]
♪♪
[ MOTION DETECTOR BEEPING ]
THAT'S NOT ME.
I DID NOT SEE ANYBODY
MOVING IN THE KITCHEN,
AND I'M STARING
AT THE KITCHEN.
♪♪
This whole bed
is shaking.
♪♪
SO RIGHT NOW AMY IS ALONE
IN THE BEDROOM.
OKAY, MARY.
IT'S JUST ME NOW,
AMY.
I'M JUST WONDERING
IF MAYBE WOULD YOU PREFER
TO JUST TALK TO ME?
♪♪
[ MOTION DETECTOR BEEPING ]
THAT'S NOT ME.
I DID NOT SEE ANYBODY
MOVING IN THE KITCHEN,
AND I'M STARING
AT THE KITCHEN.
This whole bed
is shaking.
♪♪
****
♪♪
WELL,
IF YOU'RE HERE,
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE
TRYING TO REACH OUT TO THEM
SO THEY CAN TELL
YOUR STORY
OR IF YOU'RE JUST CONFUSED
OR A LITTLE LOST.
- I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN SPLIT UP FOR...
- MAYBE FIVE MINUTES?
[ MOTION DETECTOR BEEPING ]
THE MOTION SENSOR
KEEPS GOING OFF.
THAT'S NOT ME.
I'm going to
listen to the recorder.
Adam,
it's quiet.
I mean, I didn't get anything
on the recorder.
I think
you should come back.
[ DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS ]
HI.
SO WHILE
YOU WERE DOWN THERE
AND I WAS UP HERE BY MYSELF,
IT WAS JUST --
ALL THIS STUFF
STARTED HAPPENING ALL AT ONCE.
Berry: OKAY.
SO STUFF WAS HAPPENING,
BUT MY EVP SESSION
CAME UP EMPTY.
OKAY.
USE THAT
AS A BACKUP,
AND I'M GOING TO PUT OUT
TWO MORE K-IIs
AND SEE
IF WE GET ANYTHING.
LET'S DO THIS.
BY THE WAY,
IF YOU'RE IN HERE
AND YOU WANT
TO INTERACT WITH US,
YOU CAN GRAB ANY
OF THESE DEVICES THAT YOU SEE.
WE KNOW --
WE KNOW SOMEONE IS HERE
WITH CARL AND CINDY.
AND WE REALLY
NEED TO TELL THEM
WHO YOU ARE
AND WHY YOU'RE HERE.
SO PLEASE, CAN YOU JUST TELL US
YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME?
WHY ARE YOU HERE?
SO, WHOEVER'S HERE,
I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD
CARL AND CINDY TALK ABOUT
HOW FRUSTRATED THEY ARE
BECAUSE OF WHATEVER IT IS
THAT YOU DO.
I THINK THAT IF
THEY JUST KNEW WHO YOU WERE
AND THAT YOU DON'T
MEAN ANY HARM,
THEY WOULDN'T BE
SO FRUSTRATED.
THE K-II
JUST WENT OFF.
OKAY,
SO LET ME RECORD.
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IS THIS
MARY McCARDLE
THAT'S GRABBING
THESE BOXES IN FRONT?
IF THAT'S YOU, CAN YOU GRAB ON
TO THOSE BOXES AGAIN, PLEASE?
♪♪
CAN YOU DO IT
ON THE COUNT OF THREE?
♪♪
ONE...
TWO...
THREE.
♪♪
IS THIS MARY McCARDLE?
IF THAT'S YOU,
CAN YOU GRAB ONTO THOSE BOXES?
♪♪
CAN YOU DO IT
ON THE COUNT OF THREE?
ONE...TWO...THREE.
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THAT'S INSANE TO ME.
THEY'RE BOTH GOING OFF.
ARE YOU MARY McCARDLE?
♪♪
MARY McCARDLE,
IF THAT'S YOU --
♪♪
MARY McCARDLE?
EVERY TIME.
EVERY TIME.
WHY ARE YOU HERE?
♪♪
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE CARL
A MESSAGE NOW?
WOULD YOU LIKE
TO STAY HERE?
ARE YOU STILL HERE?
I KNOW IT TAKES
A LOT OF ENERGY.
SHE MIGHT HAVE USED IT UP
COMMUNICATING WITH THE K-IIs.
WHY WOULD SHE BE HERE?
WHY WOULD SHE PICK CARL
TO COMMUNICATE WITH?
WE HAVE
A LOT OF GREAT THINGS.
LIKE, WE HAVE A LOT
OF GOOD THINGS...
MM-HMM.
...TO TALK ABOUT.
- OH, YEAH!
I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE TO REVIEW
THE EVIDENCE FROM TONIGHT.
THE REAL QUESTION IS,
WILL THEY FIND COMFORT
IN WHAT WE'RE TELLING THEM?
- MM-HMM. LET'S PACK IT UP...
- ALL RIGHT.
...AND RECONVENE TOMORROW.
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♪♪
Bruni: WELL,
I CAN TELL YOU
THAT OF ALL THE CASES
WE'VE DONE,
THIS ONE LEFT US
SCRATCHING OUR HEADS
- UNTIL THE LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT.
- WOW.
Berry: MM-HMM.
WE HAD EXPERIENCES
THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HAD
ON MANY OCCASIONS,
AND SO WE'RE ABLE
TO VALIDATE A LOT OF THAT.
WE BOTH EXPERIENCED
FOOTSTEPS UPSTAIRS
- WHILE WE WERE DOWN HERE.
- YEAH.
AND WE DEFINITELY
GOT THE VIBE
THAT WHATEVER IT WAS
WAS KIND OF AVOIDING US,
WHERE WE WOULD BE
IN ONE PLACE,
IT WOULD BE MAKING NOISE
SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Carl:
YEAH. YEAH, YEAH.
Bruni:
WE THINK WE KNOW WHY.
AND SO WE'LL PLAY
SOME OF THIS EVIDENCE FOR YOU.
Berry: THE FIRST THING
I'LL SHOW YOU IS
WE WERE INVESTIGATING
IN YOUR BEDROOM.
Bruni: HAVE YOU SEEN
ONE OF THESE BEFORE?
IF YOU HAVE,
MAKE IT LIGHT UP.
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WOW.
Bruni: AND ON THE SAME NIGHT,
WE GOT THIS.
THIS WAS
THE FIRST EVP
THAT WE CAUGHT
AS WE WERE INVESTIGATING.
SO, AND YOU CAN JUST TELL ME
WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS.
WHAT ABOUT MARY?
IS SOMEONE HERE
NAMED MARY?
[ INDISTINCT VOICE ]
MARY IS HERE.
OH, MY GOD.
Berry: RIGHT?
Carl: YEAH.
- MARY. IS. HERE.
- MM-HMM.
WOW.
BECAUSE THE ACTIVITY
SEEMED TO BE AROUND YOU SO MUCH,
SO WE THOUGHT, "IS IT A MARY
THAT'S ASSOCIATED YOU?"
SO THAT'S WHY
WE DID ASK YOU THAT.
WE WENT BACK
TO THE K-IIs
BECAUSE IT WAS GETTING
SUCH A GOOD RESPONSE.
AND SO I SAID,
"IS THIS MARY McCARDLE?"
BA-DA-DING!
AND I SAID,
"MARY McCARDLE."
BA-RING!
ARE YOU MARY McCARDLE?
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EVERY TIME.
WOW!
THAT WAS, LIKE, KIND OF
THE FINAL -- WE HAVE OUR MARY.
WOULD YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHY
SHE WOULD BE HANGING AROUND YOU?
MY GOD.
SHE WAS MY GODMOTHER.
All: OH!
OH, MY GOD.
THERE WE GO.
I GET GOOSEBUMPS.
I FEEL --
- Berry: THERE IT IS!
- Bruni: MM-HMM.
GET OUT, OH, MY GOD.
I GOT WICKED GOOSEBUMPS.
[ CHUCKLES ]
SHE'S PROBABLY
CHECKING IN ON YOU.
I MEAN, EVEN IF SHE'S NOT HERE
ALL THE TIME,
SHE'S PROBABLY,
LIKE,
DOING HER
GODMOTHERLY DUTIES, YOU KNOW?
YEAH.
YOUR AUNT
POPS IN AND OUT,
BUT THE THUDS,
THINGS BEING MOVED,
THE STOVE,
DOESN'T SEEM LIKE MARY.
AND AS WE HAVE LEARNED,
MANY TIMES,
WHO WE EXPECT
IS NOT USUALLY WHO IT IS.
SO WE WERE TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT WHO MARY WAS,
AND WE BROUGHT IN
ONE OF MY GOOD FRIENDS.
Bruni:
STEPHANIE IS --
I CONSIDER TO BE
A VERY GIFTED PSYCHIC.
AND SHE DID A WALK-THROUGH
OF YOUR HOUSE.
AND IMMEDIATELY,
SHE WALKED IN,
AND SHE SAID
THERE WAS A MAN HERE.
I SAW A MAN
STANDING IN THAT BACK CORNER.
HE COMES UP, HE DOES HIS THING,
IS WHAT HE SAYS.
LIKE, "SOMETIMES,
I BUMP INTO THINGS."
AND SHE WAS ABLE
TO EXACTLY DESCRIBE
THE FORMER HOMEOWNER JIM.
THAT'S COOL.
SO, YEAH.
WE THINK, LIKE, MOST OF
YOUR ACTIVITY IS ATTRIBUTED
PROBABLY TO JIM.
WE THINK HE'S THE ONE
THAT'S MOVING THINGS AROUND.
- MAYBE ACCIDENTLY HITTING THE BED
AS HE GOES BY, LIKE... - YES.
Cindy: AH!
WHICH ALSO
COULD EXPLAIN THE STOVE.
HE'S BUMPING INTO THINGS --
MOVING THEM.
BUT THAT HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW
HE'S DOING IT.
IF YOU EXPERIENCE SOMETHING,
YOU KNOW, SAY OUT LOUD --
JUST LET HIM KNOW
WHAT HIS --
WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE,
'CAUSE HE MAY NOT REALIZE IT.
Cindy: THAT MAKES ME
FEEL GOOD.
Carl: YEAH.
BUT I THINK NOW THAT YOU KNOW
THE MOTIVATION
AND NOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND
WHO IS BEHIND IT,
IT KIND OF PUTS IT INTO
A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
YEAH.
AND THERE'S NO MALICE BEHIND IT.
NONE.
AND ALONG THOSE LINES,
WE DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANYTHING
TO WORRY ABOUT
AS FAR AS IT ESCALATING
TO SOMETHING
MORE SERIOUS.
SO WE BROUGHT STEPHANIE
HERE WITH US TODAY.
WE WERE HOPING WE COULD JUST
KIND OF ALL OF US GET TOGETHER,
AND SHE'LL KIND OF BE
THE GO-BETWEEN.
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Bruni: CARL AND CINDY
ACCEPT THE FORMER HOMEOWNER JIM
JUST WANTS TO STAY IN THE HOME
WHERE HE GREW UP.
WELCOMING JIM AND ESTABLISHING
CLEAR BOUNDARIES
SHOULD CUT DOWN ON THE ACTIVITY
THAT BOTHERED THEM.
HE HAD SAID THAT IT WASN'T
NECESSARILY A FAMILY CONNECTION,
BUT HE CONSIDERED
YOU GUYS FAMILY.
BEAUTIFUL.
- OH, THAT'LL WORK.
- Berry: YEAH.
Bruni: I LOVE SEEING THE SHIFT
TO JUST FULLY ACCEPTING IT.
Carl:
MM-HMM. YEAH.
AND REALIZING
THE MOTIVATION.
- I FEEL PEACEFUL.
- I -- YEAH.
I DO.
I HAVEN'T REALLY FELT LIKE THIS
IN A LONG TIME.
IT IS
A DIFFERENT FEELING.
Bruni: WE CONNECTED
WITH CARL'S AUNT MARY.
KNOWING SHE'S HERE TO
WATCH OVER HIM GAVE HIM PEACE.
NOTHING IN THIS HOUSE
IS AGGRESSIVE OR NEGATIVE,
AND CARL AND CINDY
CAN FINALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE
IN THEIR OWN HOME.
♪♪