In Therapy (2005–…): Season 1, Episode 4 - Episode #1.4 - full transcript
Wednesday. 6:00 pm.
Orna and Michael
hey, Itay,
how's it going?
About two hours. Hey,
did mom leave yet?
She wasn't home?
She won't answer
the phone.
What, what are
you eating?
Doesn't sound like an
apple, sounds like bamba,
are you
eating bamba?
Okay... okay...
Don't start, okay?
We'll talk when i'm
back, alright...
Yeah... yeah,
okay, okay.
Okay, Itay, okay, we'll
talk when I'm back
okay, bye.
She's fattening him,
it drives me crazy
she'll probably get here soon...
She was late last time too.
Hi, you reached Orna,
messages after the beep.
Orna, it's me, i'm
at Reuven's, what...
What's
happening?
You want to sit down? She'll
probably be here in a moment.
This time of
day sucks.
Orna... you didn't forget the
appointment at Reuven's, right? Call me.
Okay, bye.
She knows about the meeting, we
talked about it in the morning.
Anat, how are you?
Michael. Orna's Michael.
Hey, did she
leave yet? When?
What do
you mean?
About? About twenty minutes
or about three hours?
Ah, do you know
where she went?
Ah... did
she go alone?
Alone means without
other people.
Ah. You see? When
you want to you can.
Okay, okay, okay.
Thanks. Alright, bye.
Go fuck
yourself.
Her work?
Yeah, a bunch of uppity
farts, can't stand them.
What, what is it
that Orna does?
She's vice-something,
vice-manager something,
I don't know. Since we
stopped the treatments
she dived
into her work.
Itay barely
sees her.
Does it make you uncomfortable
to be here alone, without Orna?
No. We said that we won't start
until we're both here, no?
So we're not
starting.
Look, we can start if
it's alright with you
that Orna later hears
what we talked about.
No, no, no.
You know, usually one
member of of a couple
comes in first, they
always try to start first,
you know, to earn point
with the therapist.
What, you think this
is a game our baby?
What's this
"earn points"?
No, it's not a game, no. I just
feel that it's difficult for you
to be here without Orna. I thought that
we could maybe try to understand why,
that's all.
No, not
difficult.
Tova? How are you?
Everything's fine.
Can you hear me better now? Great.
Hey, do you know where Orna is?
If I knew then
I wouldn't ask.
Because she won't
answer her phone.
So, do you know
where she is, or not?
Okay.
Okay, tova, I'm here in
the middle of, i'm...
I'll tell here,
yeah. Okay, bye.
Her mom, another uppity fart.
- Her too? -Yeah...
Everyone's an uppity fart,
huh? Everything around Orna.
They have money, right? You can hear
by how they talk that they have money.
It drips right out out of their
mouth when they talk, the money.
- So Orna is an uppity fart too?
- What else?
Lucky for her, I keep her balanced.
- So, really, you like uppity farts.
Her mom.
Yes, tova, what's up? What
do you mean terrorist attack?
Why are you always imagining
the worst, tova? Huh?
Okay, so be
worried...
I am not.
'Cause I'm not, what can you
do? I'm not worried, tova,
what can you
do, make me?
Okay, tova, I'm in the middle of
something. Okay, okay. Okay, bye.
Now I'm in trouble with
her hysterical mother?
- She's worried?
- Hysterical.
Skipping through the
stages of anxiety.
What's that? - I don't know,
I read in this novel once that...
There are stages of anxiety. Let's
say you're waiting for someone
first, you're thinking, "wait,
is this the right time?"
Then, it turns into anger, "where
is she? We did set this time..."
And only then the real worry sets
in that maybe something happened
to someone that
you care about.
I think that I'm gonna
go, I don't see that...
You don't want to wait a
little longer? I don't know.
Maybe it's silenced? No,
her mom called. Idiot.
Well.
You're going?
- I'm going outside,
I'm going to see what's happening.
- Are you worried?
You mean what act
of anxiety I'm in?
No, no, i'm... I'm really trying
to understand what's worrying you.
No worried,
just upset.
Why did you say act?
What's that?
- You said "what act of anxiety I'm in"
because it's an act, not a
stage, what you said before.
It's by... what's his
name. That uppity fart fag.
Right. By Roland barthes.
- Yeah.
I didn't know you like philosophy.
- "Like". What's to like.
What's there to like? Like.
- How do you know about him?
I think that you're surprised
that I can even read.
- Her mom...
- Her mom.
Hey, I'm late.
I'm so embarrassed.
Who's that? Why
don't you answer. Hi.
Where are you? -Here. You're worried?
- You're not picking up.
Really?
Oh, I'm so stupid, turned
it off during the meeting,
forgot to turn it back on.
- Where were you?
Work, where
was I?
So what, did you pass the
time with some mud wrestling?
- Why wrestling?
- Looks like.
Just a terrible
time of day.
What?
- Anat said that you left a while ago.
There was
traffic, what?
You didn't wear that
dress in the morning.
You noticed. I bought it.
- You just decided to buy a dress? -Yes.
I had coffee spill on me at the meeting.
- Which meeting?
Would you sit
down already?
Told you, there was traffic.
- At two.
What? -Anat said that you left at two.
- Right, I told you
I had a meeting.
Who with?
- What is this?
With Sidar, what's the difference?
- No difference.
- Where?
- Coffee place.
Isn't this a waste of
time at Reuven's?
Should have thought of
that before you were late.
Are you usually late?
- Fashionably late sometimes.
You were actually late on all
three of our appointments.
I apologize. - No, I thought that
maybe you're delaying
because you don't want to come.
- Don't flatter yourself.
So it's consistent. And do you
usually react like this?
That's how he
is. Suspicious.
So do you feel that she'is
hiding something from you?
That's why you were so uncomfortable?
- I wasn't uncomfortable.
Maybe its... it was
just my feeling.
Maybe you were uncomfortable
to be alone in the room with me
but when Orna came in you
weren't upset at her. - Well...
At least not initially.
Not when she came in.
When Orna came in I saw
that you weren't upset,
you were just worried about her.
- Hysterical.
I don't think so.
I think that it came
from elswhere,
I think...
- Where's the dress from?
You don't see
that he's talking?
Where's the dress from? - I told you.
I had a coffee spill. I bought it.
Where were you sitting at the coffee place?
- You see what I'm talking about?
The place near the
office. I had a latte.
He had tea with lime, I had
a croissant with walnuts
he had toast. - In the petach tikva
industrial park. -Yes.
There aren't any clothing stores there.
- So, and?
So you drove out just because
you had a coffee spill?
Where, Tel Aviv? - Big deal.
- Where, kikar hamedina? -Yes.
How much do we owe you?
- What's with you?
How much do we owe to, Reuven?
- What's happening?
What?
It's a waste of time.
That's what, she
completed the abortion.
I didn't.. You see, we're
waiting for her here
to talk about yes
abortion or not abortion,
and she went to Dr. Asia
to complete the abortion.
I didn't complete anything.
- Liar. -I bought a dress.
You weren't
with Dr. Asia?
I was with Dr. Asia, but I
didn't complete anything.
So what did you do with him?
- I want to get
a committee referral.
- And you call me suspicious.
We're here to talk
about yes abortion, no abortion,
and in you're going to
complete that abortion?
You get why I'm hiding from from you?
Because you react like a crazy person.
I just want the option
to decide on my own!
It's not an abortion yet, it's
just in case we decide to abort,
so that the state can't stop us.
- Stop you.
When's the committee? - Tomorrow,
that's why I had to go today. -Tomorrow?
So you planned it like that?
- No! I just found out it's tomorrow
and I wanted to be done with it.
- How did you know about tomorrow?
Asia told me.
- You just happened to go to him today
he said it's tomorrow?
- I was with him today
because of the committee. I told you.
- You talked to him first?
I called him this morning, and
he said that there's a committee.
And he set you from today
to tomorrow?-He's connected.
And he uses
them for you.
5 years of fertility treatments,
what's so surprising
that he does something for me?
- With a dress like that,
nothing surprises me. Did
he lift it up for you?
What?
- Examined you for the committee note?
Tell me, what kind
of shit are you?
When she swears you
know shes's lying.
Is it possible
not to lie to you?
I think that she is saying that
she's... she can't debate with you
about the
abortion.
She's feeling that you suspect her
from the start and she has to lie.
The more you suspect,
the more she hides.
Just because of that you're
not having a real dialogue.
So it's my fault? She sets
a committee behind my back
and it's my fault,
is she paying you something
behind my back?
- Yes, I bought him
to get an
abortion.
And still, you're also helping
Michael to be suspicious.
Helping? Why am I helping?
- Because you're behaving like someone
who has something to hide.
- Because she lies.
You don't let me deliberate.
- Actually, why is he
not letting?
- You see, he won't even listen
about the abortion option.
You see how he reacts to me,
no, you don't hear
how he talks to me?
It's possible that his aggressive
responses are also an expression
of his need to know what's
happening with you? Where you are?
Of his need to share
in your decision,
maybe it's an expression of love?
- Love? So now swearing is love?
I don't swear,
you lie.
Oh, yeah? And you're an
oaf. You spend too much time
with your horses probably.
- At least they don't lie. -Yeah.
It's convenient that
they don't have opinions.
I'm going to the committee tomorrow.
Then I will think about it.
Maybe you can tell us what
you are going to say to them?
Everything we said
here. That I'm not sure
that I want to continue
this pregnancy.
That she doesn't want the child.
- That I am not sure if I do.
That I don't have the strength, I
told you, I don't have the strength.
You can't think of anything
other than yourself?
Why do I need to think about
anything other than myself?
When it's my pregnancy, my body?
- It's our pregnancy, not yours.
Oh, yeah? Wow.
- And the hemorrhoids are whose? Yours?
Nine months of
nausea are whose?
Fifty extra pounds
are whose, yours?
But the committee will probably
want to know why you really can't
have the child.
I'm afraid that
I might harm him.
I'm afraid, I'm afraid of
what I might be capable of.
I think that I'm depressed.
I'm afraid that I might
hurt this child.
I don't feel well.
I don't think that I
will be able to love it,
I'm already angry at
him, do you understand?
It just
shoved in.
From the moment I got pregnant,
I can feel the hormones
running through my
head, driving me crazy.
I know that I will
have post partum.
I see it coming and
it paralyzes me.
I won't make it, I won't be
able to take care of this child.
I don't love it.
I don't know what
I'm capable of.
I'm scared to
death of myself.
That, that sounds
really very scary.
So I
convinced you?
I think that you can
pass the committee, yeah,
if that's
what you want.
You're mental.
Good, because I want
do decide for myself.
You're just mental.
- Yeah? Your really think so? -Yeah.
Well, if so, assuming
that you are sane,
what so important to you to
have another child from me?
What's so wrong about wanting
to have my own life a little?
What is it so awful
that I want to be thin?
And maybe a career for a change?
- Maybe you can tell her, huh?
Maybe you can tell her that making
up a psycho speech about depression
is a little
bit not normal?
I want to pass the
committee, I'm sorry I lied.
- Really?
- What? -You lied?
Natural
born liar.
I'm not sure I believe you.
We said enough about this, no?
I lied, I'm sorry, I'll stand in
the corner first chance I get.
No, no, no, I am not sure that
I believe you that you lied. - What?
No... I lost you.
- I think that it's possible
that in that story that
you told, maybe it has
also something real. The fear that
you described sounded very real.
Look at that... here's
the psychologist.
Maybe.
Maybe I hear what Orna
is trying to tell you.
What am I trying to say?
- That maybe you really
really are afraid of
having this child.
You don't
hear that?
And on another hand, the
fear also seem exaggerated.
What does that mean?
- What does that mean?
It means it's not normal that a woman
after 5 years of treatments
would become pregnant and then
want to toss away the baby
because she's afraid
of hemorrhoids!
I think that he doesn't understand
where your want to have a child went.
Look at your description.
You truly cannot see
anything positive about
having this child.
Like there is nothing
positive left.
Maybe it has more to do with
the struggle between you two?
The more he wants it, the
less you do, and vice versa.
So what are you saying, that I
really do want to have the child?
I'm saying that I'm sure that
both of you have a wider range
of feelings about
this pregnancy.
I'm sure that Michael
has some fears about it.
And if he wasn't so preoccupied
with you desire to abort
he would express them. On the
other hand, I'm sure that you too,
again, if you weren't so preoccupied
with pushing Michael away,
would find that you have
some sides that maybe
do want to
keep the child.
What's so difficult for you twp
to accept that a woman is capable
of preferring her
body and her career
and her I don't know
what over having a child?
Because it's unnatural for a women
who will waste a quarter of her life
trying to get pregnant, get pregnant,
and then want to get rid of it.
Hah, here's the animal
raiser. You and your kind
think that women are
genetically engineered
to want to have
kids all the time.
What I'm trying to say is that
I'm sure that for you both
things are less clear than
how you are presenting them
towards each other.
- Bullshit, that's bullshit,
come on, you are talking to a
couple that spend five years
doing fertility
treatments.
Do you know what that's like,
five years of treatments?
But here now you’re pregnant, isn't it
a shame to waste all that suffering?
Five years they injected
me, hurt me, pushed into me,
took from me, told when
to rest, when to breath,
when to eat, when to fuck,
you know how many hands
entered me in these five
years? Five years. And nothing.
And when we stopped the
treatments, not because I said so,
because the doctor said so, then
the whole world including him
tried to comfort me and convince
me that maybe I don't need to,
maybe it's okay, and I already have
one kid and what about a career?
You know what happened?
I got convinced.
Here, I'm repeating myself. And
a year passed, I lost weight.
I am more happy, and for
the first time in my life
as far as I can imagine, not
see but at least imagine,
the possibility that I'm becoming
someone who is not just working
for the few extra shekels
to cover the nanny
but someone who has a life,
who is fulfilling herself,
who has a career.
- Someone who doesn’t want a child.
From an animal raiser.
You understand?
When she cheated with me on her
first husband, I was a sexy cowboy.
I developed into
an animal raiser.
I still think that you're sexy.
- Yeah, but not more sexy
than Sidar, right?
- Not right. Trust me.
For a pathological liar,
you sure do use a lot of
"trust me".
You called me a liar, mental, and
egotistical, and you are telling me that I
am the one who doesn't like an
animal raiser. Think about it.
You are the one who doesn't
want my child. Think about that.
It sounds like you are
not talking about a child.
You are talking
about yourselves.
About your difficulty
to accept one another.
You know, I don't understand what
you're doing, truly, excuse me.
You know, we came here a few
week ago with a deliberation.
And as times passes you are convincing
us that we don't have deliberations
we have "problems". You haven't
helped us at all to decide
if yes abortion or no
abortion, but did a great job
at making
us fight.
I think you've risen...
- We didn't come her to rise,
we came to consult with you about
keeping or not keeping the child,
that's all.
You... are looking
for yes or no answers?
I want to talk about the pregnancy. I
don't want to talk about relationships.
I want to here
what you think.
I understand you both, the
question is if you two can
understand each other.
- We came to talk about the pregnancy,
not about companionship.
How do you sleep at night?
Am I supposed to not sleep well?
- If you are making us
talk about separation, then
you should sleep very badly.
I wasn't talking about separation...
- Why are we talking about separation?
I don't know, we cam here
to talk about the pregnancy
and you're talking to me about all
things, relationships, not relationships.
Enough, I'm fucking sick of all this,
listen. I'm asking you to tell us
something concrete because me
personally, I'm fucking sick of it
and it's costing me too
much money to hear...
To hear all these
fuzzy things.
Say what
you think.
Yes pregnancy, no pregnancy,
yes abortion, no abortion,
say, say something already!
- You want an answer right now?
Yes.
- You're putting a gun to my head.
I want to hear
what you think,
I want you to speak
clearly, I want to hear yes,
I want to hear no,
yes to keep the child,
not to keep the child,
say what you think.
I think that you should
have an abortion.
What?
Have an abortion.
- What do you mean? What is this?
That's what
you think?
Do you understand why Orna
reacts to you this way?
You pushed me to a corner, and all
I could say is the opposite of you.
I can't tell you to
have an abortion or not.
No, no, you did, you gave an answer.
- I didn't!
I don't have an answer!
- You said "have an abortion",
you did. You could have
said anything else,
but that's what you said,
"have an abortion".
That's what you
said, right? Huh?
Your opinion came out,
you said "have an abortion",
that's what
you said.
You're murdering our child,
you get what you're doing?
Leave him
alone already!
Well, come on, let's go, you
got what you wanted, right?
We're done here, we're
wasting our time.
Maybe you got
what you wanted.
You didn't want to be here,
you don't want to give
any room for her
deliberation.
You know why I can't tell you
to have an abortion or not?
Not because I'm a psychologist
and I'm not allowed.
Because it's a terribly grave
decision. Huge and personal.
There is not
right or wrong.
I can only help you look for
what's right for you two.
Okay.
- See you.
- Bye.
Hello, you reached the
office of Dr. Gila abulafia.
Please leave a message, and we
will return to you promptly.
Hi, Gila, it's
Reuven... dagan...
Ah, I'd like to
set an appointment.
My number is
still the same.
Thanks.
Orna and Michael
hey, Itay,
how's it going?
About two hours. Hey,
did mom leave yet?
She wasn't home?
She won't answer
the phone.
What, what are
you eating?
Doesn't sound like an
apple, sounds like bamba,
are you
eating bamba?
Okay... okay...
Don't start, okay?
We'll talk when i'm
back, alright...
Yeah... yeah,
okay, okay.
Okay, Itay, okay, we'll
talk when I'm back
okay, bye.
She's fattening him,
it drives me crazy
she'll probably get here soon...
She was late last time too.
Hi, you reached Orna,
messages after the beep.
Orna, it's me, i'm
at Reuven's, what...
What's
happening?
You want to sit down? She'll
probably be here in a moment.
This time of
day sucks.
Orna... you didn't forget the
appointment at Reuven's, right? Call me.
Okay, bye.
She knows about the meeting, we
talked about it in the morning.
Anat, how are you?
Michael. Orna's Michael.
Hey, did she
leave yet? When?
What do
you mean?
About? About twenty minutes
or about three hours?
Ah, do you know
where she went?
Ah... did
she go alone?
Alone means without
other people.
Ah. You see? When
you want to you can.
Okay, okay, okay.
Thanks. Alright, bye.
Go fuck
yourself.
Her work?
Yeah, a bunch of uppity
farts, can't stand them.
What, what is it
that Orna does?
She's vice-something,
vice-manager something,
I don't know. Since we
stopped the treatments
she dived
into her work.
Itay barely
sees her.
Does it make you uncomfortable
to be here alone, without Orna?
No. We said that we won't start
until we're both here, no?
So we're not
starting.
Look, we can start if
it's alright with you
that Orna later hears
what we talked about.
No, no, no.
You know, usually one
member of of a couple
comes in first, they
always try to start first,
you know, to earn point
with the therapist.
What, you think this
is a game our baby?
What's this
"earn points"?
No, it's not a game, no. I just
feel that it's difficult for you
to be here without Orna. I thought that
we could maybe try to understand why,
that's all.
No, not
difficult.
Tova? How are you?
Everything's fine.
Can you hear me better now? Great.
Hey, do you know where Orna is?
If I knew then
I wouldn't ask.
Because she won't
answer her phone.
So, do you know
where she is, or not?
Okay.
Okay, tova, I'm here in
the middle of, i'm...
I'll tell here,
yeah. Okay, bye.
Her mom, another uppity fart.
- Her too? -Yeah...
Everyone's an uppity fart,
huh? Everything around Orna.
They have money, right? You can hear
by how they talk that they have money.
It drips right out out of their
mouth when they talk, the money.
- So Orna is an uppity fart too?
- What else?
Lucky for her, I keep her balanced.
- So, really, you like uppity farts.
Her mom.
Yes, tova, what's up? What
do you mean terrorist attack?
Why are you always imagining
the worst, tova? Huh?
Okay, so be
worried...
I am not.
'Cause I'm not, what can you
do? I'm not worried, tova,
what can you
do, make me?
Okay, tova, I'm in the middle of
something. Okay, okay. Okay, bye.
Now I'm in trouble with
her hysterical mother?
- She's worried?
- Hysterical.
Skipping through the
stages of anxiety.
What's that? - I don't know,
I read in this novel once that...
There are stages of anxiety. Let's
say you're waiting for someone
first, you're thinking, "wait,
is this the right time?"
Then, it turns into anger, "where
is she? We did set this time..."
And only then the real worry sets
in that maybe something happened
to someone that
you care about.
I think that I'm gonna
go, I don't see that...
You don't want to wait a
little longer? I don't know.
Maybe it's silenced? No,
her mom called. Idiot.
Well.
You're going?
- I'm going outside,
I'm going to see what's happening.
- Are you worried?
You mean what act
of anxiety I'm in?
No, no, i'm... I'm really trying
to understand what's worrying you.
No worried,
just upset.
Why did you say act?
What's that?
- You said "what act of anxiety I'm in"
because it's an act, not a
stage, what you said before.
It's by... what's his
name. That uppity fart fag.
Right. By Roland barthes.
- Yeah.
I didn't know you like philosophy.
- "Like". What's to like.
What's there to like? Like.
- How do you know about him?
I think that you're surprised
that I can even read.
- Her mom...
- Her mom.
Hey, I'm late.
I'm so embarrassed.
Who's that? Why
don't you answer. Hi.
Where are you? -Here. You're worried?
- You're not picking up.
Really?
Oh, I'm so stupid, turned
it off during the meeting,
forgot to turn it back on.
- Where were you?
Work, where
was I?
So what, did you pass the
time with some mud wrestling?
- Why wrestling?
- Looks like.
Just a terrible
time of day.
What?
- Anat said that you left a while ago.
There was
traffic, what?
You didn't wear that
dress in the morning.
You noticed. I bought it.
- You just decided to buy a dress? -Yes.
I had coffee spill on me at the meeting.
- Which meeting?
Would you sit
down already?
Told you, there was traffic.
- At two.
What? -Anat said that you left at two.
- Right, I told you
I had a meeting.
Who with?
- What is this?
With Sidar, what's the difference?
- No difference.
- Where?
- Coffee place.
Isn't this a waste of
time at Reuven's?
Should have thought of
that before you were late.
Are you usually late?
- Fashionably late sometimes.
You were actually late on all
three of our appointments.
I apologize. - No, I thought that
maybe you're delaying
because you don't want to come.
- Don't flatter yourself.
So it's consistent. And do you
usually react like this?
That's how he
is. Suspicious.
So do you feel that she'is
hiding something from you?
That's why you were so uncomfortable?
- I wasn't uncomfortable.
Maybe its... it was
just my feeling.
Maybe you were uncomfortable
to be alone in the room with me
but when Orna came in you
weren't upset at her. - Well...
At least not initially.
Not when she came in.
When Orna came in I saw
that you weren't upset,
you were just worried about her.
- Hysterical.
I don't think so.
I think that it came
from elswhere,
I think...
- Where's the dress from?
You don't see
that he's talking?
Where's the dress from? - I told you.
I had a coffee spill. I bought it.
Where were you sitting at the coffee place?
- You see what I'm talking about?
The place near the
office. I had a latte.
He had tea with lime, I had
a croissant with walnuts
he had toast. - In the petach tikva
industrial park. -Yes.
There aren't any clothing stores there.
- So, and?
So you drove out just because
you had a coffee spill?
Where, Tel Aviv? - Big deal.
- Where, kikar hamedina? -Yes.
How much do we owe you?
- What's with you?
How much do we owe to, Reuven?
- What's happening?
What?
It's a waste of time.
That's what, she
completed the abortion.
I didn't.. You see, we're
waiting for her here
to talk about yes
abortion or not abortion,
and she went to Dr. Asia
to complete the abortion.
I didn't complete anything.
- Liar. -I bought a dress.
You weren't
with Dr. Asia?
I was with Dr. Asia, but I
didn't complete anything.
So what did you do with him?
- I want to get
a committee referral.
- And you call me suspicious.
We're here to talk
about yes abortion, no abortion,
and in you're going to
complete that abortion?
You get why I'm hiding from from you?
Because you react like a crazy person.
I just want the option
to decide on my own!
It's not an abortion yet, it's
just in case we decide to abort,
so that the state can't stop us.
- Stop you.
When's the committee? - Tomorrow,
that's why I had to go today. -Tomorrow?
So you planned it like that?
- No! I just found out it's tomorrow
and I wanted to be done with it.
- How did you know about tomorrow?
Asia told me.
- You just happened to go to him today
he said it's tomorrow?
- I was with him today
because of the committee. I told you.
- You talked to him first?
I called him this morning, and
he said that there's a committee.
And he set you from today
to tomorrow?-He's connected.
And he uses
them for you.
5 years of fertility treatments,
what's so surprising
that he does something for me?
- With a dress like that,
nothing surprises me. Did
he lift it up for you?
What?
- Examined you for the committee note?
Tell me, what kind
of shit are you?
When she swears you
know shes's lying.
Is it possible
not to lie to you?
I think that she is saying that
she's... she can't debate with you
about the
abortion.
She's feeling that you suspect her
from the start and she has to lie.
The more you suspect,
the more she hides.
Just because of that you're
not having a real dialogue.
So it's my fault? She sets
a committee behind my back
and it's my fault,
is she paying you something
behind my back?
- Yes, I bought him
to get an
abortion.
And still, you're also helping
Michael to be suspicious.
Helping? Why am I helping?
- Because you're behaving like someone
who has something to hide.
- Because she lies.
You don't let me deliberate.
- Actually, why is he
not letting?
- You see, he won't even listen
about the abortion option.
You see how he reacts to me,
no, you don't hear
how he talks to me?
It's possible that his aggressive
responses are also an expression
of his need to know what's
happening with you? Where you are?
Of his need to share
in your decision,
maybe it's an expression of love?
- Love? So now swearing is love?
I don't swear,
you lie.
Oh, yeah? And you're an
oaf. You spend too much time
with your horses probably.
- At least they don't lie. -Yeah.
It's convenient that
they don't have opinions.
I'm going to the committee tomorrow.
Then I will think about it.
Maybe you can tell us what
you are going to say to them?
Everything we said
here. That I'm not sure
that I want to continue
this pregnancy.
That she doesn't want the child.
- That I am not sure if I do.
That I don't have the strength, I
told you, I don't have the strength.
You can't think of anything
other than yourself?
Why do I need to think about
anything other than myself?
When it's my pregnancy, my body?
- It's our pregnancy, not yours.
Oh, yeah? Wow.
- And the hemorrhoids are whose? Yours?
Nine months of
nausea are whose?
Fifty extra pounds
are whose, yours?
But the committee will probably
want to know why you really can't
have the child.
I'm afraid that
I might harm him.
I'm afraid, I'm afraid of
what I might be capable of.
I think that I'm depressed.
I'm afraid that I might
hurt this child.
I don't feel well.
I don't think that I
will be able to love it,
I'm already angry at
him, do you understand?
It just
shoved in.
From the moment I got pregnant,
I can feel the hormones
running through my
head, driving me crazy.
I know that I will
have post partum.
I see it coming and
it paralyzes me.
I won't make it, I won't be
able to take care of this child.
I don't love it.
I don't know what
I'm capable of.
I'm scared to
death of myself.
That, that sounds
really very scary.
So I
convinced you?
I think that you can
pass the committee, yeah,
if that's
what you want.
You're mental.
Good, because I want
do decide for myself.
You're just mental.
- Yeah? Your really think so? -Yeah.
Well, if so, assuming
that you are sane,
what so important to you to
have another child from me?
What's so wrong about wanting
to have my own life a little?
What is it so awful
that I want to be thin?
And maybe a career for a change?
- Maybe you can tell her, huh?
Maybe you can tell her that making
up a psycho speech about depression
is a little
bit not normal?
I want to pass the
committee, I'm sorry I lied.
- Really?
- What? -You lied?
Natural
born liar.
I'm not sure I believe you.
We said enough about this, no?
I lied, I'm sorry, I'll stand in
the corner first chance I get.
No, no, no, I am not sure that
I believe you that you lied. - What?
No... I lost you.
- I think that it's possible
that in that story that
you told, maybe it has
also something real. The fear that
you described sounded very real.
Look at that... here's
the psychologist.
Maybe.
Maybe I hear what Orna
is trying to tell you.
What am I trying to say?
- That maybe you really
really are afraid of
having this child.
You don't
hear that?
And on another hand, the
fear also seem exaggerated.
What does that mean?
- What does that mean?
It means it's not normal that a woman
after 5 years of treatments
would become pregnant and then
want to toss away the baby
because she's afraid
of hemorrhoids!
I think that he doesn't understand
where your want to have a child went.
Look at your description.
You truly cannot see
anything positive about
having this child.
Like there is nothing
positive left.
Maybe it has more to do with
the struggle between you two?
The more he wants it, the
less you do, and vice versa.
So what are you saying, that I
really do want to have the child?
I'm saying that I'm sure that
both of you have a wider range
of feelings about
this pregnancy.
I'm sure that Michael
has some fears about it.
And if he wasn't so preoccupied
with you desire to abort
he would express them. On the
other hand, I'm sure that you too,
again, if you weren't so preoccupied
with pushing Michael away,
would find that you have
some sides that maybe
do want to
keep the child.
What's so difficult for you twp
to accept that a woman is capable
of preferring her
body and her career
and her I don't know
what over having a child?
Because it's unnatural for a women
who will waste a quarter of her life
trying to get pregnant, get pregnant,
and then want to get rid of it.
Hah, here's the animal
raiser. You and your kind
think that women are
genetically engineered
to want to have
kids all the time.
What I'm trying to say is that
I'm sure that for you both
things are less clear than
how you are presenting them
towards each other.
- Bullshit, that's bullshit,
come on, you are talking to a
couple that spend five years
doing fertility
treatments.
Do you know what that's like,
five years of treatments?
But here now you’re pregnant, isn't it
a shame to waste all that suffering?
Five years they injected
me, hurt me, pushed into me,
took from me, told when
to rest, when to breath,
when to eat, when to fuck,
you know how many hands
entered me in these five
years? Five years. And nothing.
And when we stopped the
treatments, not because I said so,
because the doctor said so, then
the whole world including him
tried to comfort me and convince
me that maybe I don't need to,
maybe it's okay, and I already have
one kid and what about a career?
You know what happened?
I got convinced.
Here, I'm repeating myself. And
a year passed, I lost weight.
I am more happy, and for
the first time in my life
as far as I can imagine, not
see but at least imagine,
the possibility that I'm becoming
someone who is not just working
for the few extra shekels
to cover the nanny
but someone who has a life,
who is fulfilling herself,
who has a career.
- Someone who doesn’t want a child.
From an animal raiser.
You understand?
When she cheated with me on her
first husband, I was a sexy cowboy.
I developed into
an animal raiser.
I still think that you're sexy.
- Yeah, but not more sexy
than Sidar, right?
- Not right. Trust me.
For a pathological liar,
you sure do use a lot of
"trust me".
You called me a liar, mental, and
egotistical, and you are telling me that I
am the one who doesn't like an
animal raiser. Think about it.
You are the one who doesn't
want my child. Think about that.
It sounds like you are
not talking about a child.
You are talking
about yourselves.
About your difficulty
to accept one another.
You know, I don't understand what
you're doing, truly, excuse me.
You know, we came here a few
week ago with a deliberation.
And as times passes you are convincing
us that we don't have deliberations
we have "problems". You haven't
helped us at all to decide
if yes abortion or no
abortion, but did a great job
at making
us fight.
I think you've risen...
- We didn't come her to rise,
we came to consult with you about
keeping or not keeping the child,
that's all.
You... are looking
for yes or no answers?
I want to talk about the pregnancy. I
don't want to talk about relationships.
I want to here
what you think.
I understand you both, the
question is if you two can
understand each other.
- We came to talk about the pregnancy,
not about companionship.
How do you sleep at night?
Am I supposed to not sleep well?
- If you are making us
talk about separation, then
you should sleep very badly.
I wasn't talking about separation...
- Why are we talking about separation?
I don't know, we cam here
to talk about the pregnancy
and you're talking to me about all
things, relationships, not relationships.
Enough, I'm fucking sick of all this,
listen. I'm asking you to tell us
something concrete because me
personally, I'm fucking sick of it
and it's costing me too
much money to hear...
To hear all these
fuzzy things.
Say what
you think.
Yes pregnancy, no pregnancy,
yes abortion, no abortion,
say, say something already!
- You want an answer right now?
Yes.
- You're putting a gun to my head.
I want to hear
what you think,
I want you to speak
clearly, I want to hear yes,
I want to hear no,
yes to keep the child,
not to keep the child,
say what you think.
I think that you should
have an abortion.
What?
Have an abortion.
- What do you mean? What is this?
That's what
you think?
Do you understand why Orna
reacts to you this way?
You pushed me to a corner, and all
I could say is the opposite of you.
I can't tell you to
have an abortion or not.
No, no, you did, you gave an answer.
- I didn't!
I don't have an answer!
- You said "have an abortion",
you did. You could have
said anything else,
but that's what you said,
"have an abortion".
That's what you
said, right? Huh?
Your opinion came out,
you said "have an abortion",
that's what
you said.
You're murdering our child,
you get what you're doing?
Leave him
alone already!
Well, come on, let's go, you
got what you wanted, right?
We're done here, we're
wasting our time.
Maybe you got
what you wanted.
You didn't want to be here,
you don't want to give
any room for her
deliberation.
You know why I can't tell you
to have an abortion or not?
Not because I'm a psychologist
and I'm not allowed.
Because it's a terribly grave
decision. Huge and personal.
There is not
right or wrong.
I can only help you look for
what's right for you two.
Okay.
- See you.
- Bye.
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Ah, I'd like to
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My number is
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Thanks.