I Am a Stalker (2022–…): Season 1, Episode 5 - Imminent Fear - full transcript

Mentally trying to hurt her.
That's all I thought about.

I did feel happy that she was...

scared.

I was questioning everyone.
Everyone around me.

It's terrifying.

Whoever is doing it
doesn't just want to bother you.

They are obsessed with you.

I had no idea what was gonna happen.

I genuinely thought that this would
end with me dead.

It just kind of fed my sick need to...

I don't even know what I needed,
but it fed something in me.



I would definitely call it revenge.

I'd rather be considered
a murderer than a stalker,

you know what I mean?

I wanted the intensity
of, like, of her feeling watched.

Anybody could be a stalker.

It's all boogeyman talk.

I'm not still that crazy. Like...

I've dealt with thousands
of women who have experienced stalking.

But women stalkers are very rare.

Eighty percent of the time,

men are the perpetrator
and women are the victims.

This is a unique case.

It meets all the qualifications
of stalking, certainly.

It was a pattern of behavior,
it was targeted to one individual,



and it caused fear.

But this particular case is also defined
as retaliatory stalking.

"I will get you. You will pay for this."

"You'll be sorry you ever messed with me"
kind of thing.

Very, very dangerous.

My name is Jaclyn Feagin.

I was charged with felony stalking.

I grew up all over East Texas.

There's churches and restaurants,
and there's not much more to do

than going to church, going to eat,
and going to shop.

If you don't believe
in the Christian God, you are evil.

It's a very "my way or the highway"
type of deal in the Bible Belt.

My childhood definitely was difficult.

My mother was really the only one
that was there for me.

So, yeah, it's a pretty
unbreakable bond there.

I met my husband through mutual friends.

It was kind of like
an intense relationship.

It... it progressed really fast.

We had our daughter in 2018,
and then we were married in 2019.

My husband and his ex,
they had a son together,

and once she found out we were dating,
she wanted to know who was around her son.

Straight off the bat, she told me
that if I ever hurt either one of them

that she would kill me,

and that it was not a threat,
that it was a promise.

I think that there were still feelings
left for each other,

and seeing a new girl
move into your ex's home

and with your ex and your son,
I think that can be...

That can be hard.
It can be hard to deal with.

My name is Sandra
and I live in Flint, Texas.

Jesse is my ex-boyfriend.

We met when we were teenagers.

We were friends for many years.

And about 2012 is when we decided
to develop a relationship.

In about 2015,
Jesse and I had a beautiful little boy.

But we didn't always
see eye to eye on things.

Uh, like, he was an atheist
and I was religious.

So we ended things at the end of 2016.

Just a few months after we ended things,
Jesse began a relationship with Jaclyn.

She was kind of in the shadows of things,

so I did not know her very well.

She was very quiet, very meek.

I did not mind him dating someone else.

I did mind how quickly she was brought
into my child's life,

and I was always concerned that,
because of her...

our son would be put on the back burner.

I was at work
when my cousin called.

The only thing she said was
my son's not breathing,

and that I needed to come.

I called Jesse as I was leaving
and told him, and Jesse came as well.

We beat the ambulance to the hospital.

We waited for a few minutes
for the doctor to come in,

and he told us that
my son had not had a heartbeat since...

they had picked him up.

My son passed away April 1st of 2017.

I was in absolute denial that he was dead.

My entire life fell apart.

I turned to drugs and alcohol.

I completely lost who I was.

I struggled every day...

with if I was going to get up and try...

to... live this life

or if I was just going to give up.

And I know that Jesse struggled
just the same as I did.

After their son died, um...

his mother became...

Uh, I don't know. She was grieving,
and I can completely understand that.

But there were a lot of messages
between her and my husband.

I had my suspicions
that they wanted to get back together

or rekindle their relationship.

It definitely put a strain on us.

I became very insecure,
and he became very defensive,

and so there was a lot of sneaking around
and then a lot of snooping on my part,

and a lot of other things were uncovered.

Our relationship became very volatile
after all of this.

I decided that boundaries needed to be set
to make our marriage work.

And one of those boundaries
was with his ex.

"Talk about your son only, and that's it.
Nothing else."

And she did not like that.

After my son passed,
Jaclyn and I did not speak.

At my son's funeral,

she was very uncomfortable to see
Jesse and I standing together,

and I did hold Jesse's hand
as a comfort for our son.

She walked out of the funeral
in the middle of it,

because she was so filled with jealousy.

And that should have been a red flag
right there.

After the service, weeks went by.

Jaclyn did not want Jesse and I talking.

She felt there were
leftover feelings, which, of course,

after so many years together,

and having a son together
and then losing your son together,

of course there's leftover feelings.

The way Jesse and I did talk could have
definitely made her feel very insecure.

You know,
there's just a bond there that you...

that you can't break.

I blocked Sandra
on all of my husband's social media,

so there was no way she could
get into contact with my, um... my husband.

Sandra had a girlfriend.

She had sent a picture of her girlfriend
in her bra and panties to my husband.

And when I said, "Okay, well,
if you're only talking about your son,

then why is your girlfriend's pictures
in my husband's messages?"

And that's where she got nasty with me.
Uh...

I can't remember the choice words
she decided to use against me,

but she did.

I sent a picture
of another girl to Jesse.

It wasn't of me, it was of another woman.

He... he did flirt.

And I may have...

flirted back, but not with
the intention to get him back.

She did message me.

Um...

She was very aggressive about it.

She was very threatened.

She wanted to fight about it.

Like, she just wanted to argue.

And I didn't really wanna argue with her,

so I said my piece, which was...

"I messed up."

"But I will continue to talk to him
as long as he'll talk to me."

Which I think enraged her.

That was the last time I have spoken
to Jaclyn to this day.

Messages came in.

Really nasty messages.

And I felt like I snapped.

In that moment,
it was like a switch went off.

So I decided to, uh... to get revenge.

The goal was to scare her.

To anonymously leave things, scary items,
to her, on her property,

and she would have to wonder,
"Who did this? Is someone watching me?"

Just to mess with her mentally.

The first time I made something,
it was very simple, very easy.

It was a piece of paper with her picture
and her name on it.

And I think... I'm pretty sure

I drew a pentagram over her face
with a red marker.

So the first item, I think it was
about one or two o'clock in the morning...

and on the way over, I was nervous,
I was definitely nervous.

I knew I was doing something wrong,
but I went ahead with it.

Yeah, it was definitely like a...
like a high,

like a feeling of...

I... I don't know exactly how I felt.

I just know I felt good to leave that,

and that she would be waking up
the next morning,

trying to figure out who did what to her.

I woke up to go to work,
and I opened my front door,

and there was a paper with a picture of me
and a pentagram drawn on my face.

There was a candle that had been burnt,

and it said, "Hi, Sandra."

I saw it laying on the ground.

My stomach sank.

I didn't know who had done it.
I didn't know why someone would do it.

I felt very panicky.

I went and woke my husband up
and brought him outside to show him.

Our children were there,

so we had to make sure that they did not
come to the door to see it,

because I do not want my children exposed.

My husband immediately called the cops.

I was very scared. I felt threatened.

I felt like there was somebody
following me that I was not aware of.

I remember driving to work that morning
and just shaking

and watching every car that drove past me,

and watching every person
that came near me,

and trying to figure out if it was them,
or who it could possibly be.

And I was just rattling my brain
the whole time I'm trying to work,

and it was just...

It was... it was pretty terrifying.

Over the next couple of days,
it kind of took over my thought process.

That's the only thing
I was thinking about, is,

you know, if she was scared.

So yeah, it became, uh, a really...

sick thought process concerning her.

I can't explain
how or why the obsession came about.

It just did. I think it was because

I was trying to see what she had
that I didn't that my husband wanted.

And then, once that...
that feel-good feeling wore off,

that's when I was planning the... the second
attack, or whatever you wanna call it.

I don't exactly remember
what I dropped off to her the second time.

I had some twine left over,
and I kind of fixed it into a doll.

And I put pins through the head
and the heart,

and then I put it in a jar
with graveyard dirt,

and then sealed it.

And then put, um... sigils all over the jar.

Honestly, I cannot tell you
what most of these things mean.

I know it has to do
with the Wiccan belief, I'm pretty sure.

But I also knew that she was Christian,

and so having these things show up on
your doorstep would be particularly scary.

I knew if someone left that
on my porch, I would be scared.

They left a jar full of sand,

and a voodoo doll with needles
shoved through its face and its heart.

My initials and my birthday were also
written on the jar in red paint,

and some other satanic symbols.

It was two days prior
to my son's birthday,

so I knew whoever it was knew that,

and I knew that they knew that I would
be in a vulnerable state, grieving.

The timing made it so much worse.
Um, and it... it...

It's evil.

They wanted to... punish me
for something, and I wasn't sure what.

That's what put more fear into me,

because I didn't know who would be
so cruel as to do something like that.

I was sitting at home

thinking about how scared she was,

and I didn't think that
I had scared her enough.

So, I wanted the intensity of, like...

of her feeling watched,

I wanted to kind of up that.

So I had made a fake Facebook profile of,
I think, one of her old work friends,

and I took one of her private photos
that no one else could get

unless you were friends with her
on social media,

and I printed that off and I tied it
to a scroll,

and I Googled some kind of Latin curse...

And I put it on a scroll, and I put
her picture and tied it together,

and I left that on her car.

I remember the Latin curse
having something to do

with pestilence and bloodshed.

I don't know much more after that.

I didn't memorize it
or anything like that.

I... I had an idea that, you know,

what I was doing was criminal.

I didn't take it as seriously
as I should have.

Without hesitation,
my husband and I called the cops,

and they immediately came
and got the scroll.

They sent me images of what was inside,

and there was a spell written in Latin.

It essentially said
that they wanted me dead.

At this point, I thought they were never
gonna get caught.

My fear just escalated.

I was so sure that
somebody was gonna mess with my car

and that I was gonna be taking my kids
to their daycare

and my brakes were gonna give out, or...

anything.

I was so worried
somebody was going to try and kill me,

and my children would get harmed
in the process.

I've been a police officer
for about 13, almost 14 years.

And I've seen quite a broad spectrum
of what people are capable of.

And with stalking, you never know
how far someone will go.

It'll start off petty, but it can
eventually cost someone their life.

My name is Josh Hill,
and I was the lead detective on this case.

Before my involvement,
I came in, there were, I believe,

five other instances
where, uh, the victim had called 911

to report this kind of behavior.

So it was my job to protect Sandra
and her family.

Initially we were unable to determine
who the suspects were,

but then, when Sandra came to my office
and I interviewed her there,

then it just kind of put
everything together.

Okay, today's date is
October the 11th, 2019, around 8:30 a.m.

I'm gonna interview.

Reference to case number 22280.

All right, I wanted
to show you what I was lookin' at.

And I was gonna ask you
to kind of look at...

Help me look at what I was lookin' at,

just to make sure
we're lookin' at the same thing.

This little car, it's a hatchback.

Whose car is that?

- That's Jesse's.
- Jesse's.

What's his wife's name?

Oh, Jaclyn.

- J-A-C-L-Y-N, Jaclyn?
- Mm-hm.

I mean, that's their car.

It's their car.
I mean, there's no way around it.

So the body frame, I don't...
I don't know who your ex is,

but whoever it is walks like a girl.

Mm-hm.

You can tell by the way
they swing their arms,

the way the hips move
when a woman walks, you can just tell.

The arms swaying, that's a female.

One thing led to another,

and I'm basically
putting this puzzle together,

trying to figure out where the items
came from.

And this is what led me
to go and interview Jaclyn.

Hey. Sorry to wake you up.

It's okay.

You work late last night?
What time do you get off?

- I got off at 9:30.
- Okay.

It was a very interesting
interview.

Tell me...
I know you know why we're here.

You deny it, or what?

Because they have game cameras up.

Uh-huh.

Honestly, okay,
I'm not gonna to lie to you, like...

It's really stupid now...
- Mm-hm.

...because of all of this...

And, so, yeah, I was messing with her.

So, was it Jesse that was... that went
with you when y'all were doing this?

- My mom.
- Okay.

- Is Mom here?
- Yes.

Can I chat with Mom, too?

- I'll get her.
- Thank you.

For me, that's where I guess my emotional
attachment to this case came into play,

because as a father and a husband,
I'm all about protecting my family.

And to have a mother of an adult daughter

allow and help culprit
this kind of behavior,

I mean, that definitely changed
the... the tone of the game.

Hey, Mom. Did we wake you up, too?

Uh, I was awake,
but I was enjoying a quiet time.

Oh, well, I'm sorry.

- I'm... I'm Josh.
- Hi.

- I'm from the sheriff's office.
- Mm-hm.

- I talked with Jesse, and your daughter.
- Mm-hm.

- So I kind of know the whole thing.
- Mm-hm.

But I'm curious, did she tell you why?
Did she tell you what you guys were doin'?

- Yeah, I knew what was goin' on.
- Okay.

I explained to her what was goin' on.
I explained to her the allegations.

And, you know,
she had a smirk on her face.

I'm not trying to tell you to be a parent.
I understand there's a bad history.

- Oh, yeah.
- I'm not naïve.

- Honestly, I thought it was...
- In a sense...

I thought it was funny,

and I thought maybe it would teach her
a lesson and she'd leave them alone.

- Mm-hm.
- That's why I went along.

Just like Jaclyn, she downplays it.
You know, "Well, it was just a joke."

Well, I'm sorry, it's not just a joke.

This was a prolonged, constant barrage of
torture, torment, harassment, annoyance,

and it ultimately put...
put Sandra and her family

in fear of imminent
bodily injury or death.

I am Kristi Ferguson,

and my daughter is Jaclyn Feagin.

When Jaclyn was younger,
she would let people run over her.

I would constantly ask her,

"Why are you lettin' that person
do you that way?"

It took us years of pushing her
to even order her own food,

because she was so shy
and timid and quiet.

Now she's a little quicker to anger,
thank goodness.

But for the most part,
it really takes a lot to get her... upset.

I honestly cannot remember
how the whole idea came about.

We may have been watchin' a movie.

But we were talking one night
and she's like,

"You know, at some point,
this has to be brought out."

She said she was sick of all the lies.

It was just one of those things where
it was like, "You know, enough is enough."

And she's all, "Maybe if I push back
and mess with her a little bit,

maybe, you know, she'll confront me

and everything can be brought out
in the open."

I did suggest just knocking on her door,

but, um... my daughter felt that
that would not put an end to things.

Honestly,
when I was arrested, uh...

it ticked me off, it made me angry.

It... it was kind of a shock of...

"You're goin' through all of this just
for us droppin' off a couple of items?"

Honestly, we were not thinking of it
in anything more than possible harassment.

Uh, did we go in with intentions
to get caught and be arrested?

No. No.

No one was tryin' to harm anyone.

I wasn't, and neither was my daughter.

I just thought that it was funny.

My understanding is
that it was put out there

that they were fearing for their lives,
they were fearing for their children.

I guess that's what her thing was,
is, "Because I'm such a Christian, uh...

you know, this is really scaring me."

You know, the whole...
The whole situation.

That's why I... I'm like, "No."
They... they blew things out of proportion.

To meet the elements of stalking
in the state of Texas,

you need someone
who has a reasonable belief

that they are in some type of danger.

Then you make a determination, "Okay,
what was the intent of doing this?"

"Was it done to alarm, threaten,
harass that individual?"

This case meets all of the elements.

My name is Heath Chamness.

Uh, I am one of the assistant
district attorneys

here in Smith County, Texas,

and this was a case
that was assigned to me.

Before this case,
I had handled a few stalking cases.

But this case is a little different,

because you've got a mother
and a daughter that are co-defendants.

They never denied their, uh... involvement,

but they kind of nonchalantly blew it off,

as if though, "Ah, it was just a prank
and we didn't think anything of it."

And, um...

You know, it...
it doesn't change the fact

that the offense of stalking
had been committed.

Really, at the end of the day,
in talking to my victim,

she wanted to be left alone.

She wanted peace.

So, for both Jaclyn and for Kristina,

I made an offer,
a plea offer on the case.

Jaclyn and her mother were both offered
either three years in prison

or eight years of
deferred adjudicated probation,

and they both elected to take the eight
years' deferred adjudicated probation.

I can tell you that being on probation,
at least in this county, is not easy.

You have regular drug tests.
You have to go through community service.

There are various programs,

depending upon the type of crime
that you commit, that you must complete.

Uh, so the idea that probation
is just merely a slap on the wrist,

for a normal person, it is not.

It is disruptive.

It changes your life.

In this particular case,
they were co-defendants,

and so we put in a provision
that did not allow them

to have contact with each other
or the victim.

I think, had they come in
and been truly remorseful,

then maybe our position
would have been a little different.

Uh, but at the end of the day,

they still think
it was nothin' more than a joke.

And because they don't recognize

the severity and the significance
of what they did,

I don't think that they need to be
in communication with each other.

It's... it's that simple.

With this sentence,
my daughter and I cannot have contact.

And you go from being in the same home
every day to not being able to speak.

It is very hard. It is very hard.

Do I think the sentence was a statement?
Oh, yeah.

I am a spiritual person, but...

I don't believe in organized religion,

and I feel like they wanted
to teach me a lesson.

Um...

Show me that if I don't conform
to their Christian beliefs,

then I'm gonna be punished.

I personally think it had nothing
to do with stalking.

You're not supposed to be anything more

than a "do as you're told" Christian
in this area.

I did not know
that the news had covered the story

until I was at work
and I went on my break, my lunch break.

I had, like, a whole lot of missed calls
on my phone.

They were like, "What is happening?
Get on Facebook."

Because we were
in the Bible Belt of Texas,

things like witchcraft, voodoo, satanist,

that is one of probably the worst things
that you can be called here.

There were people that were saying
that we deserved to die,

that we deserved to be thrown
in a padded cell.

All of these crazy things.

From outsiders looking in,

I could see how you could make
those judgments,

but I just felt that they were unfair.

I definitely feel like
it was a very one-sided story,

and it was made to look like...

like a... like a vicious attack
on a innocent girl.

I think that the notoriety
of this case came from the fact

that those...
those choices of weapon for Miss Feagin

um, had to do with witchcraft
and satanic worship.

And I would say that their choices
were strategically planned out

because of who her victim is.

A stalker knows that person.

If my faith is the most important,

that's what an abuser or a stalker
will come after.

And that's what I saw in Jaclyn's case,

that she was trying to make her victim,
a devout Christian, pay.

There were a couple of comments
about how things affected the victim.

But, I mean, the reality is I don't care.

I don't care how it affected her.

I think that she was being overly dramatic

and claiming things
that were not really there.

And this is gonna sound horrible.

I don't care if she's dead or alive.
She is not a significant part of my life.

I think most stalkers
minimize their actions.

"Couldn't have been that big of a deal.
You're makin' too big a deal out of this."

"You're so hysterical. Why are you..."

"Why'd you call the police?
This is so stupid. You're so stupid."

It's that minimization.

It is transferring the blame, that,

"This is obviously your problem,
because this is not that big of a deal."

How could she possibly know
how the victim felt, Sandra felt?

It's not for the perpetrator of the crime
to decide

how it has impacted somebody else's life.

It's been around two years now,

and I still have trauma
from what happened,

and I still have a fear instilled in me
that I'm not sure will ever go away.

I don't believe probation was enough.

I believe it would be more fitting for
them to sit in prison for a little while

and think about their actions.

The justice system doesn't take stalking
as seriously as they should.

Stalking is not a man
sittin' in the bushes with binoculars.

It could be anybody. You never know.
You never know what people are capable of.

I feel like I had a very lucky escape.

I took it upon myself
to look at the news stories,

and that's where I later found that she
had checked herself into counseling

because she felt traumatized
by the experience.

I thought once she found out
that it was me,

that she wouldn't take it
very seriously anymore.

And then, you know,
it would all kinda... go away.

I didn't think there would be any, like,
long-lasting trauma or pain.

But now, I do believe that what I did
could have traumatized her, yeah.

I do believe that.

There's not enough apology in the world
to make what I did okay.

I deeply affected her life
in a negative way.

And I'm going to have
to live with what I did,

just like she's going to have to live
with what I did to her.

But I am 100% remorseful.