Horizon (1964–…): Season 39, Episode 16 - God on the Brain - full transcript

RUDI: I thought that I had died and I had gone to hell.

GWEN: I was almost thinking of my son as god.

BERNY: It then turned out she thought I was Joseph,

she was Mary and little Charlie was Christ.

NARRATOR (BARBARA FLYNN): These people suffer

from one of the strangest of all brain disorders.

It makes them think they have been touched by god.

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But their unusual condition is giving scientists a unique

insight into faith and the human mind.

As a result researchers are now asking one of them



most explosive questions of all ?

could it be that the physical makeup of our brain

programmes us to believe in god?

God on the Brain

RUDI: These are my temporal lobes where my epilepsy

is situated.

NARRATOR: Rudi Affolter has suffered from a severe

form of temporal lobe epilepsy all his life,

so severe that he almost died from his seizures when he was just 18 months old.

Seizures occur when there is abnormal electrical

activity in t he temporal lobes of the brain.

RUDI AFFOLTER: For a few minutes you will be

unaware and you're then quite often a bit giddy.

It goes on until you collapse to the ground and you're



writhing about for perhaps for a few minutes.

You might remain conscious or you might then be

completely unconscious.

NARRATOR: Temporal lobe epilepsy has one very

unusual side effect.

In a minority of patients it can induce religious

hallucinations.

These visions have led scientists to ask questions that

have never been asked before.

Rudi has always been a confirmed atheist, but even

so, when he was 43 years old he had a powerful

religious vision.

RUDI: I was lying on my bed in the wards in Crawley

Hospital when suddenly it seemed to me that

everything was changing.

The room was still the same size but it was becoming

something else.

I thought that I had to fight against this at first and I

tried very hard mentally to bring myself back to normal

because I thought that I was going mad.

I thought that I had died and I had gone to hell.

I was told that I had gone there because I had not

been a devout Christian, a believer in god.

I was quite shocked to find that the Christian religion

was the correct one.

I was very depressed and very alarmed, very worried

at what had happened, and at the thought that I was

going to remain here forever.

NARRATOR: Fortunately for Rudi, his vision ended and

he has never had another one.

He remains a firm atheist.

But Gwen Tighe has suffered from hallucinations which

have recurred over a number of years.

Unlike Rudi, she is a strong believer, a devout Roman

Catholic.

Over the years her husband, Berny, has been there to

witness the effect of these visions, the first of which

appeared just after their honeymoon when Gwen was

in hospital.

BERNY TIGHE: And she wanted to whisper to me that

the lady across the ward was the devil, and that's the

first I've ever heard of it.

She was the lady she was green skinned apparently, a

green colour - the devil!

GWEN TIGHE: It just was in my mind the devil and it

looked frightening.

It was brighter lights, not the dark lights like people

would usually associate with devil-like creatures.

It was very bright but overpowering and very

frightening.

BERNY: Crikey! (laughs) What do I...

what's going on? After that she had occasions when

she'd have a number of seizures or her medication

would go slightly wrong and she would be confused

then, and then she'd start talking about the devil.

NARRATOR: After several years the visions stopped

completely but then Gwen became pregnant.

BERNY: Gwen had a lovely pregnancy, nothing seemed

to be going wrong.

GWEN: We went to the car and just as we got in the

car my waters broke then, and after that I can't

remember anything.

BERNY: Got to the actual birth and Charles - that's our

son - got about half way out and his head was coming

out, the umbilical cord was wrapped around his neck

and he was strangling a bit.

She was too late to have a caesarean but they were

able to get Charles out eventually, no damage to him.

She was just sitting there smiling I think would be the

best description.

And I was sitting there and she turned around and

said: "Isn't it nice to be part of the Holy Family.

" I thought - Holy Family? It then turned out she

thought I was Joseph, she was Mary and little Charlie

was Christ!

And I was basically told if she didn't agree to go into the

local psychiatric hospital they'd section her.

At the time it was extremely scary.

I didn't know where I was going.

I've got to be honest.

GWEN: Now looking back on it, it is rather a strange,

to say the least, thing to have happen... been in my

thoughts at the time. I don't know why I said it.

NARRATOR: Rudi and Gwen's hallucinations may seem

very odd, but there is a growing belief amongst

researchers that their condition could help give answers

to one of the deepest philosophical questions of all.

Where does religious belief come from?

Divine revelation is crucial to all the great faiths.

Visions for mystics and seers have produced creeds

that people have lived and died for.

Believers are convinced that such revelations come from god;

atheists that they are no more than the

product of superstition and social conditioning.

What neither side has ever thought is that religion

might actually be as fundamentally a part of us as the

desire to eat, sleep or have sex.

But now that view may be changing, and temporal lobe

epilepsy is turning out to be key.

The condition is being used to help explain the start of

at least one of the world's most thriving religious groups:

the Seventh Day Adventist Movement which

currently has over 12 million members.

Locked within the archives of the church lies the story

of how it all began, with the revelations of a young

woman called Ellen White.

MERLIN BURT (Ellen G. White, Estate Branch Office, Loma Linda)

Ellen White is one of the principal

founders of the Seventh Day Adventist Church.

She had unique visionary experiences that gave

guidance to the movement in what they understood to

be a supernatural way.

The religious visions remain critically important to the

Seventh Day Adventist Church.

NARRATOR: Ellen White was born in 1827 and during

her life wrote about 100,000 pages about her religious

faith, believing she was inspired by god she laid out a

strict moral code which lectured on everything from the

sins of tea drinking to masturbation.

She also gave detailed accounts of hundreds of intense

religious visions that she'd experienced.

ELLEN WHITE: While I was praying there was - as has

been a hundred times or more - a soft light circling

around in the room, and a fragrance like the fragrance

of flowers, and I knew god was close.

NARRATOR: These visions so convinced her followers

that they believed she had to be a prophet from god.

But when scientists began to study Ellen's past, they

started to wonder if instead she had been a sufferer of

temporal lobe epilepsy.

Because one day, something happened that might have

induced the condition.

When she was 9 years old Ellen was chased home from

school by an older girl.

ELLEN: I turned to see how far she was behind me, and

as I turned a stone hit me on the nose.

A blinding, stunning sensation overpowered me and I

fell senseless.

My mother says that I noticed nothing but lay in a

stupid state for three weeks.

As I roused to consciousness it seemed to me I had

been asleep. I was shocked.

Every feature of my face seemed changed.

NARRATOR: Ellen was so severely affected by the

injury she was never able to return to school.

Her personality changed dramatically.

She became highly religious and moralistic.

And for the first time in her life she began to have

powerful religious visions.

Typically the visions began suddenly, she would have a

change in facial expression, she would often stare upward.

During her vision she was really unaware of

what was happening around her, and often she would

have what are called automatisms of repetitive

movements from which the patient has very little

memory for after the event.

NARRATOR: Professor Gregory Holmes, one of the

world's leading experts in paediatric neurology believes

the fact that Ellen White's visions followed the head

injury is no coincidence.

HOLMES: The bones behind the eyes are quite weak

and brain tissue behind the eyes is quite susceptible to

an injury due to the fragile nature of these bones.

Often someone that's hit in the face with a stone will

have an actual shifting of the brain, you know..

the head will be hit very hard, it'll bounce back, and

the brain is bouncing back and forth.

NARRATOR: The personality changes, the highly

religious tone, and the visions convinced Holmes there

could be only one diagnosis for Ellen White's condition.

HOLMES: Her whole clinical course to me suggests a

highly probability that she had temporal lobe epilepsy.

This would indicate to me that the spiritual vision she

was having would not be genuine, would be due to the

seizure.

NARRATOR: This is a shattering diagnosis for the

Seventh Day Adventist Movement who still insist that

Ellen White was divinely inspired. Their spokesman, a

neurologist as well as a Seventh Day Adventist

dismisses Professor Holmes' claim.

The reasons why I don't feel that Ellen White's

visions were the result of temporal lobe seizures are

several. One is that her injury was clearly to the nose

area and this would be quite far away from the

temporal lobes, another would be that the visions

started 8 years after the head trauma and we'd expect

most people with seizures following head trauma to

have their seizures start 1 to 3 years after the head

trauma. Finally, in Ellen White's visions last from 15

minutes to 3 hours or more. She never apparently had

any briefer visions. That's quite unusual for seizures.

NARRATOR: It is impossible to prove absolutely that

Ellen White had temporal lobe epilepsy, but the length

of her visions and the fact that they started 8 years

after the accident are consistent with the disorder.

Controversially, it is now being suggested that other

religious leaders too may have suffered from this

condition.

It's possible that many great

religious leaders had temporal lobe seizures and this

predisposes them to having visions, having mystical

experiences.

NARRATOR: St Paul is a case in point.

He famously encountered god who appeared to him in

a blinding flash on the road to Damascus.

RAMACHANDRAN: Many religious mystics, including St

Paul, some of the experiences they describe sound

quite similar to the sorts of things you hear from

patients, so it's quite possible that he had seizures.

NARRATOR: And what about Moses, the bringer of the

Ten Commandments, believed he heard the voice of

god speak to him from a burning bush.

RAMACHANDRAN: It's possible that even Moses did,

and many religious mystics in India may have had

seizure activity in the brain that predisposed them to

such beliefs and enriched their mental lives enormously

as a result.

NARRATOR: Bishop Stephen Sykes believes that

thousands of years on its almost impossible to know for

sure whether past religious figures had temporal lobe

epilepsy.

The description of their states of mind is by people of their

times, and their frames of ref are very different from

ours, and I like to be gently sceptical, I mean it's very

easy to say in the past they thought that these people

were having religious experience, now in our infinite

wisdom we know that in fact they were suffering from a

form of epilepsy. Well I just think a bit of humility

wouldn't go amiss actually.

NARRATOR: We may never learn the truth about Moses

or St Paul, but Professor Ramachandran of the

University of California decided to pursue the link

between the temporal lobes of the brain and religious experience.

So he set up an experiment to compare the

brains of people with and without temporal lobe

epilepsy.

RAMACHANDRAN: What we did was first take normal

volunteers who did not have epileptic seizures.

Put two electrodes on their finger tips to measure the

changes of skin resistance.

This essentially measure how much they sweat

when they look at different words on the screen.

In a normal person, if I flashed the word 'table' the person will not sweat.

But if I flash the word 'sex' then the person starts

sweating and this registers as a change of resistance

called the 'galvanic skin response'.

Now the question is, what would happen if you do the

same experiment with patients with temporal lobe

epilepsy?

NARRATOR: The epileptic patients were given three

different groups of words: sexually loaded words,

neutral words and religious words.

Professor Ramachandran found that the neutral words,

as expected, produced little emotional effect, but was

astonished by the response he got when he started

showing patients sexual and religious words.

RAMACHANDRAN: What we found to our amazement

was, every time they looked at religious words like

'god' they get a huge big galvanic skin response.

Conversely, if you showed them a sexually loaded

word, these patients showed a slightly lower response.

In other words, their response was higher to words

about god and religion and lower to sexual words,

whereas in most normal people it's the other way around

NARRATOR: This was the very first piece of clinical

evidence revealing that the body's physical response to

religious imagery was definitely linked to activity in the

temporal lobes of the brain.

RAMACHANDRAN: So what we suggested was, there

are certain circuits within the temporal lobes which

have been selectively activated.

Their activity is selectively heightened in these

patients, and somehow the activity of these specific

neural circuits is more conducive to religious belief and

mystical belief. It makes them more prone to religious

belief.

NARRATOR: Scientists now believe what happens inside

the minds of temporal lobe epileptic patients may just

be an extreme case of what goes on inside all our brains

for everyone. It now appears that temporal

lobes are key in experiencing religious and spiritual belief

This explosive research studying how religious

faith affects the brain is the inspiration for a completely

new field of science - neurotheology.

In a remote region of Northern Canada a scientist put

this controversial new science of neurotheology to the test

Dr Michael Persinger claims that by stimulating

the temporal lobes he can artificially induce religious

experience in almost anyone.

Dr Persinger has developed a device which produces an

electromagnetic field across the temporal lobes.

He says he can induce a moment that feels just like a

genuine religious revelation with a machine unlike any other

The helmet was basically designed t generate weak

magnetic fields across the hemispheres, specifically the

temporal lobe. So the way it's set up is that each pair

of the solenoids are connected so that at any given

time a magnetic field passes through the helmet and

hence through the brain.

NARRATOR: Before the experiment could go ahead, Dr

Persinger took his subjects into a silent room where

they were blindfolded. Don Hill had little idea of what

he was about to go through as he entered the testing

chamber.

DON HILL: In the chamber I had a number of

experiences: my hands getting very clammy, waves of

fear inexplicable that I couldn't put my finger on,

tingling effects, rushes of energy up and down my

spine, burping (laughs) which is kind of embarrassing,

and a general feeling of malaise.

NARRATOR: But as Dr Persinger manipulated the

magnetic fields, Don began to get a very strange feeling

a feeling that perhaps he was not alone.

HILL: My shoulders are very tense up to my ears right now

It's not so much I felt like there was somebody or

something in the chamber with me because my

commonsense to me that this could not be.

But I could not get rid of the feeling that there was

something there. It was lurking, it was watching me.

I felt like I was under surveillance. And it was.. felt like

coming from behind.. you know.. like what's over

there. That's what it felt like. Yeah, how could this be?

There's nothing there. I'm in a space that's safe.

NARRATOR: Don had experienced one of the most

common and bizarre effects in the chamber, a feeling

that someone else was in there with him.

Dr Persinger called this feeling the "sensed presence".

PERSINGER: The fundamental experience is the sensed

presence, and our data indicate that the sensed

presence, the feeling of another entity of something

beyond yourself, perhaps bigger than yourself, bigger

in space and bigger in time, can be stimulated by

simply activating the right hemisphere, particularly the

temple lobe.

NARRATOR: To ensure that it was genuinely the

electromagnetic field that caused the sensed presence,

Dr Persinger ran the experiment with the field switched

both off and on. Crucially no one was told what the true

purpose of the experiment was, merely that it was to do with relaxation.

When the results came back, they were impressive.

When the machine was on, 80% sensed something.

Dr Persinger has taken his research

a stage further. He believes naturally occurring

electromagnetic fields might also be capable of

generating the sensed presence. This, he argues, could

explain not just our sense of god, but perhaps other

supernatural experiences too - like ghosts.

PERSINGER: We were called by an individual who was

concerned about her daughter who was having an

experience and people were concerned that she was crazy.

NARRATOR: The girl was having terrible trouble sleeping

Every night she was visited by the most

horrific supernatural experience.

She would become more and more terrified,

convinced that a spirit was in the room with her.

Increasingly traumatised, she dreaded going into her bedroom.

So Dr Persinger decided to visit the house.

He was convinced that the girl's hallucinations had to

be the result of hidden, fluctuating, electromagnetic fields

These could be caused, perhaps, by an overhead

pylon or an underground fault line.

The challenge for Dr Persinger and his colleague, Stan Koren

was to track down the source of these fields.

The team used their specially adapted measuring

equipment - a plastic milk crate and a roll of copper wire.

PERSINGER: What's your beat frequency for the gigahertz - 15?

KOREN: 15 kilohertz - that's right.

PERSINGER: In certain situations electromagnetic fields

are being generated that overlap at what the brain

normally generates. Certain individuals, if their brains

are sensitive, their brains can interact with these fields

to produce all kinds of powerful, very meaningful,

experiences that can be called a god, or a haunt,

depending upon their interpretation.

Talk about quietude!

So we walk about the house trying to find out where

the areas are that may be the sources of the signals.

Usually the people tell us on the basis of their

experience, they'll say: "This is where it happens."

NARRATOR: Initially the readers the team found were

inconclusive, but then they noticed a clock radio in the girl's bedroom.

PERSINGER: We went over and measured and we

found that she slept near a clock, and we measured the

clock, and the clock had a particular, unusual pattern to it.

It was the same basic pattern that we were using to

generate the presence in the laboratory.

The clock was removed, the phenomena itself terminated.

NARRATOR: Dr Persinger's story sounds almost

unbelievable, but there is some evidence that backs up

the idea of a connection between supernatural visions

and electromagnetic fields.

The spectacular Northern Lights are produced when solar storms occur on the sun.

These storms can also alter the earth's magnetic

fields, and whenever this happens, an increased

number of ghostly sightings are reported.

And several other scientists have claimed that these

fluctuating fields can cause seizures in the brain.

PERSINGER: We know geomagnetic activity influences

the temple lobes because when we look at correlational

data there's an increase in seizures, temporal lobe

seizures and convulsions when there's an increased

global geomagnetic activity all over the earth.

NARRATOR: Controversially Dr Persinger argues that

most, if not all, spiritual and religious experience can

be explained away by the effect of electromagnetic

fields on the temporal lobes of the brain.

PERSINGER: Most of my colleagues tell me why do you

study this because you'll never get grant money, why

do you study this because your reputation will be put

on the line because you're looking at things that should

not be studied, religious experience, paranormal

experiences, they should never be studied because

they're outside of science. And my question is: why

not, why shouldn't we study them? The experimental

method is the most powerful tool that we have, that's

how we find truth and non-truth.

NARRATOR: So Horizon decided to set Dr Persinger's

theories and his machine the ultimate test,

to give eligious experience to one of the world's most strident

atheists - Professor Richard Dawkins.

In Professor Dawkins' opinion the struggle of atheism

against religion is nothing less than the battle of truth

against ignorance.

Will Dr Persinger succeed where the Pope, the Archbishop

of Canterbury and the Dalai Lama have failed?

If I were turned into a devout religious believer, my wife

would threaten to leave me.

I've always been curious to know what it would be like to have a mystical

experience. I'm looking forward to the attempt this

afternoon.

NARRATOR: Dr Persinger planned to apply a range of

different magnetic fields across Richard Dawkins' brain.

DAWKINS: I've so far experienced nothing unusual at all.

NARRATOR: The fields must be adjusted because Dr

Persinger's work suggests that different shapes of field

and whether they're applied over the left or right

temporal lobe can make a difference to whether the

subject experiences god or not.

DAWKINS: I'm slightly dizzy.

NARRATOR: Initially Dr Persinger applied a field to the

right-hand side of Richard Dawkins' head.

DAWKINS: Quite strange.

NARRATOR: Then to increase the chances of feeling a

sensed presence, Dr Persinger started to apply the

magnetic field to both sides of the head.

DAWKINS: Sort of a twitchiness in my breathing.

I don't know what that is. My left leg is sort of moving,

right leg is twitching.

NARRATOR: So after 40 minutes had Richard Dawkins

been brought closer to god?

DAWKINS: Unfortunately I didn't get the sensation of a

presence.

It pretty much felt as though I was in total darkness

with a helmet on my head and pleasantly relaxed, and

occasionally feeling the sensations which I described as

they occurred into the microphone.

But I would be hard put to it to swear that those were

not things that could happen to me any time on a dark night.

night. I'm very disappointed. It would have been

deeply interesting to me to have experienced

something of what religious people do experience in the

way of a mystical experience, a communion with the

universe. I would have liked to have experienced that.

NARRATOR: But Dr Persinger believes that there was a

particular reason why the experiment failed for Richard Dawkins

PERSINGER: We developed a questionnaire a few years

ago called temporal lobe sensitivity and what we found

is a continuum of sensitivities from people who are not

temporal lobe sensitive to those who are very sensitive,

and the experience end being the temporal lobe

epileptic. In the case of Dr Dawkins his temporal lobe

sensitivity is much, much lower than most people we

run than the average person, much, much lower.

It may not be open to everybody in the same degree to

have particular kinds of religious experience.

There is a very interesting dispute at the moment

about whether one can have a talent for religion and

whether that is something like a musical talent which

some people have and other people don't have.

NARRATOR: Despite the setback with Professor

Dawkins, Dr Persinger's research on over 1000 human

guinea pigs has gone further than any other to

establish a clear link between spiritual or religious

experience and the temporal lobes of the human brain.

It has put his research at the very cutting edge of

neurotheology.

But religious believers argue that there is a world of

difference between a motorcycle helmet that induces

feelings and a genuine religious experience.

BISHOP SYKES: If I thought that my mind had been

manipulated into having a certain set of experiences,

and that somebody was out there doing it to me, then I

would be very inclined, I think rationally, to think that

although the experience might be pleasurable, have

good consequences, relaxing, whatever, whatever, I

would want to say I wouldn't think it had much to do

with religion, with my faith.

NARRATOR: What is almost certainly true is that

religious experience is far more complex than can be

explained simply by activity in one area of the brain.

Dr Persinger's work is only the beginning.

Many scientists now suspect there must be far more to

the relationship between the brain and belief.

A research team has come up with a unique way of

exploring this relationship. They examined what

happened at the precise moment the brain had a

genuine religious experience.

It was the mind of Michael Baime that provided the

moment of insight.

DR MICHAEL BAIME: You could describe this experience

of meditation, of really deep meditation, as a kind of a oneness

NARRATOR: Michael is a Buddhist, a faith that requires

its followers to enter into the spiritual through

meditation.

BAIME: As you relax more and more and let go of the

boundary between oneself and everything else begins

to dissolve, so there's more and more of a feeling of

identity with the rest of the world and less and less

separateness.

NARRATOR: Researcher Dr Andrew Newberg set up a

brain imaging system that could for the very first time

track exactly what happened inside Michael's brain as

he meditated.

When the subject first comes into our

laboratory, what we normally do is bring them into a

fairly quiet room.

They would then begin the mediation.

We were normally not even in the room so that we

would actually minimise any kind of distractions to

them. The only way that we had some kind of contact

with them is that they had a little piece of string that

would sit next to their side. They would tug on this

string a little bit which meant that now they were

beginning to head towards their peak of meditation.

NARRATOR: The pulling of the string was the cue for

the team to inject a radioactive tracer into Michael's body.

This tracer was then carried in the bloodstream

up to the brain producing an accurate freeze-frame

picture of the blood flow in Michael's brain just

moments after injection at the highpoint of his meditative climax

The scans measured blood flow with

red showing the areas with highest flow and yellow the

areas with lowest. The results revealed that as in other

experiments the temporal lobes were certainly

involved, but they showed something else.

As Michael's meditation reached its peak an area of the

brain called the parietal lobes had less and less blood

flowing into them. They seemed almost to be shutting down.

This was significant new information.

The parietal lobes help give us our sense of time and place.

NEWBERG: This part of the brain typically takes all of

our sensory information and uses that sensory

information to create a sense of ourselves.

When people meditate they frequently describe a loss

of that sense of self and that's exactly what we did see

in the meditation subjects was that they actually

decreased the activity in this parietal or this orientation

part of the brain.

NARRATOR: This strange sensation of a loss of self is

central to religious feelings in all the world's faiths.

Buddhists seek a feeling of oneness with the universe,

Hindus strive for the soul and God to become one and

the Catholics search for the Unio Mystica.

Dr Newberg wondered if these very different religions

might actually be describing the same thing.

To test this theory he took scans of Franciscan nuns at

prayer to see if there was any similarity between what

was going on in their brains and those of Buddhists.

NEWBERG: Interestingly when we look at the

Franciscan nuns we see a similar decrease in the

orientation part of the brain as we saw with the Tibetan Buddhists.

NARRATOR: Even though Buddhists and Catholics may

come from very different religious traditions, how their

minds react to deep meditation or prayer seems, in

terms of brain chemistry, to be exactly the same process.

Dr Newberg's research shows the first clear

scientific evidence that there are a number of different

areas in our brain involved in religious belief.

NEWBERG: The results from our study really point to

the fact that there is a large network of different

structures in the brain communicating with each other

during these spiritual experiences, and I think our

results do show that there are lots of different parts of

the brain that get turned on or turned off suggesting

that there really is an overall network of structures that

seems to be involved in these types of practices.

NARRATOR: The implications of Dr Newberg's research,

along with that of Dr Persinger, are huge.

They suggest that how or what we believe is deeply

controlled by the basic physical makeup of our minds.

It begs the question: why have we developed this ability?

Perhaps there is a simple evolutionary

explanation. Studies have shown that believers live

longer, are healthier, even that they may have lower

levels of cancer and heart disease.

Could it be we somehow evolved religious belief as a

survival mechanism?

DAWKINS: If you ask the question 'what's the survival

value of religious belief?' it could be that you're asking

the wrong question. What you should be doing is

asking what's the survival value of the kind of brain

which manifests itself as religious belief under the right

circumstances.

NARRATOR: But if religious faith is somehow a by-

product of evolution, does that mean belief in a god can

be dismissed as a quirk of nature?

The fact is, it is much too early to think of neurotheology as a means of

explaining away people's faith.

Although there is evidence to show that our brains are

hardwired for religions, this doesn't mean that god can

be dismissed as just a trick of brain chemistry.

RAMACHANDRAN: Just because there are circuits in

your brain that predispose you to religious belief does

not in any way negate the value of a religious belief.

Now it may be god's way of putting an antenna in your

brain to make you more receptive to god.

Nothing our scientists are saying about the brain or

about neural circuitry for religion in any way negates

the existence of god, nor negates the value of religious

experience for the person experiencing it.

BISHOP SYKES: It would be very surprising if we didn't

discover more about the physics and chemistry of those

parts of our bodies which are a process, the various

bits of enjoyment we receive from religious belief.

I think Christians and maybe other religious believers

have absolutely nothing to fear from further

investigation, indeed should be keen on it and canny

when it comes to the interpretation of it.

NARRATOR: What is beyond doubt is that the origins of

religion are even more complex than had been thought.

The science of neurotheology has revealed that it is too

simplistic to see religion as either spiritually inspired or

the result of social conditioning.

What it shows is that for some reason our brains have

developed specific structures that help us believe in god.

Remarkably it seems whether god exists or not,

the way our brains have developed, we will go on believing.

DAWKINS: The human religious impulse does seem

very difficult to wipe out, which causes me a certain

amount of grief. Clearly religion has extreme tenacity.

NEWBERG: Because the brain seems to be designed

the way it is, and because religion and spirituality seem

to be built so well into that kind of function, the

concepts of god and religion are going to be around for

a very, very long time.

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