Epicly Later'd (2011–…): Season 1, Episode 7 - Andrew Reynolds - full transcript
Andrew Reynolds is pushing 40 and still skates huge gaps. In his early 20s his partying took its toll, but now he's become the poster child for skateboarding's fountain of youth.
I don't know if it's gonna work,
but I found this --
this scorpion.
'Cause what I want to do
is get it out,
and then maybe I could
make it into a graphic.
When --
Kids, when you do this at home,
number one, stay off the drugs.
Number two...
you need
to wear protective eyewear.
'Cause when you want
your graphics to be cool,
you know,
you got to do some things.
Jesus!
I thought --
I thought it would be,
like, solid solid.
Just kidding.
Hot day for graphics.
I feel like you
look at Dill and you would go,
"That guy's probably famous
or something."
It's the stinger.
There's something about Dill
that makes him unique
just by looking at him.
**
Dill always had that gift
of not being on the board
and then getting on it and then
looking sketchy for a second
and then doing
the gnarliest thing.
Dill came in, and he was like,
"Dude, I'm tellin' you,
this is my last few years
on the board.
You're gonna want to have it
on film."
**
He's just so alive
and, like, showman
and just fun to talk to
and so excited
and, like, that enthusiasm
is infectious.
Dill is a talker.
"You see these fuckin' calves?
I will fuckin' kick the
shit out of you."
He's just a fireball.
You could tell his brain
is just, like,
"This point, this point,
this point, this point.
I got this to say.
you see this? Blah, blah, blah.
Man, I just seen this.
This was cool.
I was walking down the street,
and I seen blah, blah, blah."
I got eyes like a cat.
I see everything.
Dill could talk your ear off,
but if you listen,
you'll learn some good shit.
Yeah, the joke is that
you can just probably sit him
down in a chair and go, like,
"So..."
and he'll take it from there.
All right, so, Patrick, Aaron,
how long you guys
been doing this?
Need to put your glasses down.
I love ice cream.
Henry, you're my main man.
Trip out. Trip out.
What's up?
Welcome back
to "Epicly Later'd."
This new series
is on television this time,
and we've done tons of episodes.
I c-- added them up once --
there's maybe 50 of them.
And 2 of those 50
have been on Dill.
What's up?
He was somebody
I wanted to revisit.
So much has changed in his life.
He lives in Los Angeles now.
L.A.'s hectic,
too, I guess.
He runs a company called F.A.
with Anthony Van Engelen.
Real stylish skater.
He's also known
for his personality.
He's kind of like
a-a polarizing,
controversial guy.
The world's fucked right now,
and everything's so fucked
in America.
White people are blowing it,
and it's just...
So, we are here
at his house in West Hollywood.
We're just gonna see
what's up with him,
so here we are
with a Jason Dill episode.
I was just
a little white-trash kid.
Like, that's just shitty.
I had, like, just started,
like, liking chicks
and, like, smokin' cigarettes
with my friends and being bad
and listening
to fuckin' "Master of Puppets"
and drawing the cover and shit.
**
When you, as a child,
8, 9 years old,
come across a skill
and people start
patting you on the back for it,
people start telling you,
"You better keep doing that
because you're really good
at it,"
and you become obsessed
with that one thing that you do,
you're a weirdo now.
**
For sure, like, you're --
you're different now.
You're experiencing life
differently
'cause you're putting in
so many hours of practice
into one, fixated thing
while other kids are, you know,
putting toy cars up their butt.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you are...
**
...pattern.
Skateboarding's all pattern,
and it's over-repetition.
Makes you fuckin' crazy.
**
Right around, like,
9 or 10 -- no, 8 --
I found myself living across
the street from Ed Templeton,
and, um...
they were skateboarding,
and that went from there.
Think about it.
Like, it's crazy.
I was seeing Ed Templeton
and Jason Lee,
and, like, they were
older dudes, you know?
Fuckin' jerkin' off
and all that fuckin' shit.
They were always talkin' about
shit like that and, like, chicks
and fuckin' this and that
and, like --
I remember this one kid,
Davis --
he was incredible,
incredible skateboarder,
and I remember, um, like,
that age,
and he's like,
"Last night, I had sex
with this girl on mushrooms,
and her face was melting,
and I was --"
I was like, "Yes!"
Like, it was just
a sick education.
It was so cool.
And then that's when I started
to go to contests,
and I got, like,
sponsored, sponsored,
and that's when I really started
to, like,
realize that, like, "Fuck.
I'm, like,
an amateur skateboarder.
I'm sponsored.
This is really cool.
I can, like,
make something out of this."
**
* I heard my master
* Spoke with your master
Being on 101 was, um...
Yeah, it was definitely
my first big-deal sponsor.
It was fuckin' not as --
Not to take anything away
from Black Label,
but it was -- 101's a company
that turned me pro.
* There we are
I've heard stories
of maybe, stealing boards.
I was 19 years old.
19 years old, I lived on my own,
I took 36 boards from World
and probably
a bunch of other product.
I sold it
so I could pay my rent and shit.
It's lame, whatever.
It's -- I felt -- I felt like
it was lame for they didn't --
they didn't pay me,
and I needed dough,
and then, at the same time,
I took 36 boards,
so I totally understand now,
being older, like...
I don't take it back, but...
* To see if my master
* Had a happy
We would buy boards from Dill.
One time,
I tried to trade him dirt weed,
saying it was, like,
old good shit for some boards,
and he was, like,
"This shit's shit,
but you can take those
three boards for it. Whatever."
**
By that time, like,
"Trilogy" had come out.
Like, I really was like,
"Man, Dill's sick."
Like, he was someone I looked
up to and fuckin' ripped.
He's always had flavor.
He was, like, one of those dudes
that, like, didn't have
that much footage come up,
but when he did,
it was always sick.
It was like he knew just to
put out less but make it dope,
you know?
It would be like every 411.
There'd be a gnarly trick in.
Like, Dyrdek kept hitting him up
about, like,
riding for the Workshop.
**
Alien Workshop is and was,
you know,
the smartest
skateboard company ever.
Like, I mean,
it sounds silly saying that,
but if you really
think about it, actually,
it was, the only
serious skateboard company.
The quest
for the New World Order
is, in part, a challenge
to keep the dangers
of disorder at bay.
1990, "Memory Screen" came out.
It just shifted... my thinking.
Everything I saw in that...
This is the Alien Workshop.
...from the beginning with the
jud-duh jud-duh
jud-duh jud-duh jud-duh,
"Quest for the New World Order,"
all that,
when you're a kid
and something comes across
that you've never fuckin'
even known about,
and that -- that's coming in,
there's nothing like that.
And that's exactly
what "Memory Screen" was.
Just like if you were
to watch a film at home,
and you're like, "Fuck, man.
That fucked me up."
Skateboarding can do that
to you.
You can be watching it at
fuckin' someone's video party,
you're like...
"My God!
He didn't just fuckin' do that."
And then, like, you see that
cocksucker riding away, like,
"Yeah, motherfucker, I did it."
It's like murder.
It's like legal murder
sometimes, in a beautiful way.
**
But there was just
nothing like the Workshop.
It just really was, like,
in neon lights,
just about the best company
you could ride for.
Those were, like,
the best times of my life,
those early Alien years.
And, like,
I felt like I finally was, like,
a part of something
that meant something, you know?
1998 to 2000, we made
the "411 Industry Section"...
**
..."Feedback,"
and "Photosynthesis."
**
Now, I'm not asking
for a fuckin' award.
I'm just fuckin' sayin'
that's fuckin' gnarly.
And you told me
that "Feedback" was your --
was your, like, throwaways...
No, I never said that.
But you said --
Nothing I've ever put out's
a fuckin' throwaway.
Everything I've ever put out
was hard for me to do.
Okay.
Wrong word.
Um, when we were filming
"Feedback,"
me and Anthony didn't think
TransWorld videos
were that good.
I mean, come on.
I'm sorry, Ty, but real quick,
I love "Feedback,"
but that song fuckin' sucks
to this day.
What the fuck is that song?
So, we had some Brian Eno song
on the European release,
then it comes out here,
and it's, like, some fuckin'...
* Take a ride on a...
That fuckin' song sucks so bad,
but the video part...
is still okay.
And the editing's great.
That song
I still can't get over, Ty.
I'm sorry.
I'm never gonna forgive anyone
for that song.
Now we've got ourself clear.
I'm about
to make this video pop.
See, you got to love New York.
Fuckin' free bagels.
For sure,
when he moved to New York,
there was a whole
New York Jason, for sure.
You know?
It all got put together
right there.
**
We're on Bowery right now, and,
I used to live right here.
138.
Shit. Okay. So it was...
It's gone now.
Ha! Just like everything.
It's all -- Sorry, man.
It's okay.
It's fuckin' gone.
**
Early New York, in --
as a teenager,
I would basically have to...
bite my tongue
'cause I was so excited
by everything I was seeing.
Everything I --
Everything I saw was like,
"My God!"
Like, it was just, like --
I was so...
blown away.
New York knocked me off my feet.
I needed to be there more often,
and then, once I was, you know,
financially capable
of being there
and not being completely broke,
there's nothing like being in
your early 20s in New York City.
Holy shit.
This area's Tribeca.
You know, it's, like,
the most expensive neighborhood
in the world.
I lived here. Yep.
But I had to live
with a parrot named Walter.
And he was a fuckin' asshole.
Walter was such a dick.
I hated Walter.
He was the meanest parrot
you ever could've met.
**
I used to walk around these
streets at such a young age,
just flyin' high.
You know what I mean?
Like, didn't really think.
I just...
would get fucked up and just...
I think, at that time,
there was a lot of, like,
partying and shit going on,
and, like, meeting a lot of,
like, different people
even outside of skate and stuff,
like --
I mean, he's always Dill,
but, you know,
Extra New York Party Dill.
I think the scene at
the time when I first moved here
and Dill was here,
I think that scene
was just so fuckin' powerful,
and it felt like, "Dang.
There's a whole world out here
that I didn't know,"
meeting
all these different people
that have nothing to do
with skating,
and we were just going out
every single night
and just having the be--
the best nights of our lives,
really.
There was like 30 of us
at every party every night,
like, you know.
It was crazy.
It was like a web of craziness.
I would go stay at Dill's
when they lived
on Broadway and Canal,
and I remember,
one time, he had, like --
like board shorts and, like,
penny loafers.
And then he was just telling me,
like,
"I'm never doing cocaine again,"
like, "That shit's gross.
I hate people
that are doing cocaine,"
and literally
five minutes later,
comes out of --
out of the fuckin' bathroom,
he's like, "I just snorted
a bunch of coke."
So he's wearing penny loafers
and trunks,
and I was just like,
"Man, you are fucked."
I'm abouts to do --
I'm abouts to do
whatever the hell...
I goddamn please.
I don't remember if he said it
or I said it, but someone
was like, "Do you like to do
drugs?" and I was like, "Yeah."
And then, we went on
this like 17-day bender.
We just did whatever we wanted.
**
And it's insane
that we're alive.
**
That time period,
from 1998 to 2003,
was just... mayhem.
I took so much Valium
on the flight here
that it's taking its toll.
Finally,
money started coming in.
It was like, "Holy shit!"
It was like I'm buying
a pair of Jordans every day,
and I have
my own bags of cocaine.
It's not someone else's
bag of cocaine
I'm borrowing to go to
the bathroom with. It's, like --
You know what I mean?
Like, and then, like,
you meet all these people
who do not skateboard.
Let's get crazy.
Let's get nuts.
Let's do it.
That's why I like New York,
and I like that shit
where, like, you could be
in the mix of something.
You never really knew
what everyone did.
**
Yeah!
I really liked that.
I thought that was cool.
It's a new era --
new era in skateboarding,
and, I have to say
it's a new era in life.
**
Things, - Things have changed.
See?!
For me!
For me!
For me!
We're on Canal Street,
and we're coming up on,
-- on Broadway.
And that's -- that's where
I lived for a long time.
Like, on 9/11, I lived here.
So, on 9/11, I woke up
hearing my roommate say,
"What do you mean a plane flew
into the World Trade Center?"
Like,
'cause he was on the phone.
Our walls were super thin.
And I just put my pants on.
I was like, "I need to see it."
But I thought -- I thought
it'd be, like, a little plane.
Pd-bd-bd-bd!
Like, once I turned the corner,
I saw both buildings on fire.
The closer you would get
walking down,
you'd see people
start walking toward you
covered in white soot.
From here, you -- at first,
you thought it was just debris,
like, falling, like --
And a lot was debris.
But then,
once you get close enough
and you could, like --
it's like...
You know, "My God.
That's a man
and a woman jumping."
Like, he's wearing a blue suit
and, like --
You could start to see,
like, you know --
Like, it really, actually --
Hold on.
Da da da da da da da da! Cha!
My hero!
I knew it was gonna happen.
Thank you.
That's right.
I'm the best, totally.
By the time
that I walked back down
and I ran into my roommate
and my girlfriend,
you know, that's when...
He was like, "Turn around,"
like, just...
That was that.
We didn't do that photo
to, like...
out of disrespect
or anything like that.
It was...
I mean, it was a f--
I mean -- I mean, that's --
it was -- it was so insane.
You know what I mean?
I -- You know, I don't really --
I don't know.
I don't talk about this shit
too much,
'cause it's, like,
it's real fucked up, man.
Real life, TV.
You'll never see something
so psycho.
You know what I mean?
Like... you hope not to.
What's happening
with your video part, buddy?
I'm gonna tell you this
one more time.
I want this video part so bad.
I want it to be so good.
Now, you -- you call me
more often than not
not sure
what day of the week it is.
Connor, it is Friday the 10th.
I'm just telling you, Dill,
my observations,
and I'm worried about you.
I know, Connor, but it's not --
I think it's --
I think it's more me
being more, flamboyantly,
extravagantly...
I don't know.
Maybe I am that fucked up.
Skateboarding needs personality,
and you need dudes like him,
you know?
Everything that I like
about skateboarding,
he's, like, fit that.
You know what I mean?
There was something about him
that was magnetizing
for me, at least, and I think
a lot of other people, too.
I think when his
"Photosynthesis" part came on,
I think everyone was like,
"Dude,
this part is fuckin' sick."
Whoa!
Filming for "Photosynthesis"
with Bill was the best.
It was so great, because
"Photosynthesis" just happened.
We would just go out and skate,
and we'd get tricks
or we wouldn't.
And then, at night,
we'd go get fucked up.
It was great.
There was no,
"You need a last trick,"
or, like,
"You need another line, or..."
None of that.
It all just came together.
It wasn't, like, a job, really.
We'd just be out, like,
having fun all the time,
and then it'd be like, "Dude,
deadline's in two months,"
or, like, "Dude,
we got to get it together."
Like, "Let's go out skating."
I'd be like, "All right."
He would just try shit
and get it done.
I knew I wasn't gonna make
a better video part,
and that's tough
when you're in your early 20s
and you, you know,
you don't want to...
**
...peak, you know, too soon.
**
"Photosynthesis" was the last
video that j-- it just came out,
and it didn't feel like work.
Everything else after that
felt like a lot of work.
**
Fuck off.
My time on the board
was getting further apart.
Tricks landed and film.
**
It was the beginning
of the worst of the worst.
Tempo, cruise kibble,
cruise kibble, cruise kibble.
Pbht!
**
He would show up on trips,
and I could tell, like,
he'd just ain't been skatin',
partyin'.
20 bucks to open the restaurant
to get me cigarettes.
I'll give you 50 bucks, you o--
It's -- It's closed. 50 bucks.
But then, like,
he'd be a few days in the trip,
and he's fuckin' rippin'.
**
You know, and he's gettin' shit,
and you're just like, "What the fuck?"
Like, "I've never seen you do that trick."
**
I'm not ashamed of "Mindfield,"
but I most certainly got by
on the skin of my teeth
for that part.
And I really owe Greg Hunt
an apology for just being so...
I mean, I would say "Mindfield"
was probably a challenging time
for Dill.
He was still kind of, like,
drinking a lot and stuff,
so he wasn't, I would say,
like, in tip-top shape.
Whoo!
You're alive?
Yeah, yeah!
A-fuckin'-gain!
A-fuckin'-gain!
He would kind of
not skate for a while,
and then he would come on a trip
and try to skate,
and he would sometimes get hurt.
**
Like, his wrist.
I think he broke his wrist
a couple times.
Yeah, I was a mess
during "Mindfield."
I was a fuckin' mess.
It's still good, though.
That's the thing about Jason.
It's, like,
it's still out of that video,
like, one of the parts
that I would watch --
You know what I mean? --
and that I like,
so he has that, you know,
whether his effort level
is at 20% or 100%, you know?
People want to see it.
Between 2006 and '09,
I probably developed
my worst drug addiction.
Yeah, what kind of drugs
are we talking about?
I'd smoke speed,
I'd smoke crack,
I'd take pills,
I'd do whatever you got.
But the main thing that would
keep me kind of, like,
buzzin' throughout my days
was -- was Vicodin, Percocets
mixed with booze and...
**
It would get larger in quantity
as you went on,
and the years would go on,
you'd do more
and all that bullshit.
**
You know, I wasn't
talking to him very much,
and, um...
He, had that morning
where he woke up fuckin'
throwing up blood and shit.
Um, it was Jameson and Vicodin,
and, - that caused
a hole in my belly.
And I woke up one morning,
and I threw up blood everywhere.
And I ended up at a New York
downtown hospital for a bit,
and they were like,
"You had a gastric hemorrhage.
Your insides kind of look like
a 60-year-old bum's.
You got to cut the shit out.
You're gonna die."
**
He ended up in L.A., and I was
living in Venice at the time.
And then he stayed in this,
like, weird motel
in Santa Monica,
and I'd pick him up.
Man, he looked like shit.
He was, like,
fuckin' grayish yellow.
He wasn't good, you know?
And...
Whatever. Long story short,
ended up staying with me
for a year
and gettin' his shit together
and skatin' a lot.
We ate, slept,
breathed skateboarding.
That's all we did.
We'd come home, watch videos,
fall asleep on the couch,
like, get up, go skate.
We skated every single day
for like a year.
That's when he really got
his shit together, you know?
Like, of all the times
I've spent with Dill,
that was the most epic of times,
and it was rad.
2013 came flying in.
And, I... quit...
Alien Workshop after 15 years
to do F.A.
Dill's told me even before,
he's just like, "If it all
ended today, I'd be happy.
'Cause you know why? We did it."
Whoa! Whoo!
**
I think it was in London,
and I was drunk
in the back of a taxi cab.
And I was with my now partner,
Mikey Piscitelli.
And, um, I said, "I want to make
a clothing company.
I want to call it
Fucking Awesome."
And he was like,
"Wow. That's dumb."
And I was like, "Yep."
And then he went back
to America,
and I remember calling him
from a pay phone.
And I was like,
"What are you doing?"
He's like, "I'm trying
to make this logo for you."
**
From 2000 to 2005,
we were making shirts
pretty sporadically.
And, I mean, small amounts --
like, 300 of something.
And, only selling it
to Supreme
in New York and in Japan.
I'd say the first three rounds
of shirts,
they were all printed by us
in our apartment.
But 2005, we had, like,
a big spike in popularity
in that streetwear world,
and it got a little too big
where it wasn't manageable
between everything else
we had going on,
so we just didn't do anything
for a year
when I think most people
would've jumped at that.
Doing it that way allowed us to
not fall into any trends or die,
and because we never did it
as a source of income,
it stayed pure where we were
able to do whatever we wanted,
to the point
when Dill and Ave decided
that they were gonna leave
Workshop.
Dill was like, "I want to turn
F.A. into a board company."
Yeah! There you go!
At that time, we were just
so sick of, across the board,
with s-skate companies.
Like, everything got so
fuckin' soft and watered down
because there was so much money,
and everything got built up
and, like, you know, there was
these huge infrastructures
for these companies that,
you know,
"We have to make product
that sells to fucking zoomies,
'cause we have to."
We want that stuff we came from,
and we still thought
that there was skaters out there
that weren't jocks
and, like,
were attracted to skateboarding
for the same fuckin' reasons
we were and needed that.
Skateboarding...
sold itself to the mall.
You just can't contain
a whole culture of a thing
inside of your Spencer's Gifts.
We already had an idea
of team riders,
and, like,
it was all right there.
But it was a gnarly idea
of leaving the Workshop
after 14, 15 years.
There was definitely a time...
when I was like,
"Guys, I don't know.
I'm fuckin' scared."
**
And Bill and Anthony
stayed on me.
They really,
really stayed on me.
**
We quit May 1, 2013.
Um, no bullshit, man. It was...
That was gnarly.
It was sad.
That was so hard for him,
and I think that also added
to the fear of everything, like,
"I'm leaving this place
that I've always been,
and I'm gonna do my own thing,"
which is awesome,
but then, with that,
there was a lot of weight
that I think he felt
he had to carry on his own.
**
Yeah, he was crazy for a while.
**
Stuff.
Stuff. Stuff.
It's all a mess.
Believe it or not,
this is all unused material.
All -- Most all of it's
been scanned, but...
F.A. graphics --
like, everything that ends up
being something for sale
comes from here.
Like, it comes from this area.
I just like anything
that's physical.
I like --
I like that you can cut things
and, like, rearrange them.
At least the idea's there.
He got a very clear idea
of what he thought was cool
in skateboarding.
And the clearer that idea got,
the more fixated he got
on separating himself
from everyone else.
B-Basically, what I mean is,
he's got a clear understanding
for what he thinks is cool
and what he thinks sucks.
And right now, in skateboarding,
what he thinks is cool
is it's the most popular
things out, you know?
So I think that his genius
was on par for the timing
of where popular culture's at
and where skateboarding's at.
One big thing I really enjoy
about owning my own company,
I no longer have to answer
the question of,
"What do you do for a living,"
with, "I'm
a professional skateboarder."
'Cause it just sounds like --
I might as well say, like,
"I'm a fuckin' professional
pogo stick." You know?
Now I can be like,
"I'm a company owner."
"Really?
Well, is -- is -- is it
a lucrative business?"
"Well, yeah, Poindexter,
actually, it is.
I'm doing fuckin' pretty good
owning a skateboard company."
But you know what I mean?
I no longer have to be, like,
"Pro skateboarder,
blah, blah, blah,"
and then people are like,
"Are you on ESPN?
Do you do the X Games?"
It's, "No. No. No."
"Do you know Tony Hawk?"
Ding! "I do."
And that's the one que--
You know, like,
"I -- I -- I know Tony.
Yeah, he's a good guy.
I love Tony Hawk."
**
Why did they turn her pro?
Why wouldn't you turn her pro?
Look at this picture.
You wouldn't --
You wouldn't turn this pro?
Um, I-I just want to show it,
this,
because if anyone's ever seen
one of these episodes
that Patrick's done
with me before,
I never had a kitchen
that looked like this.
That episode begins with,
like, a blood spit on the wall.
Yeah.
Did you fix your teeth? Yeah.
For the most part, I mean...
We're looking at
about $18,000 later.
**
Even back then,
when he was in New York,
he would always have stuff
hanging up
in his apartments and stuff,
like,
photos that he had cut together,
little collages,
just random gnarly Polaroids
of somebody all bloody
or, like, him naked,
weird stuff just hanging up
all over.
And the F.A. graphics
look a lot like
the stuff he just had hanging up
in his apartment.
**
There's a whole room in my house
I won't let you see,
'cause it all looks like this.
No one goes in there.
It's just me.
I basically accumulated
my own thrift store back there.
So -- Why can't we go in?
It's too much. It's too crazy
right now, because I def--
I feel so good
about how together I now appear
compared to when I was on
this thing when I was younger.
It's funny.
If you make everything at home,
you're stuck at home,
and you're making everything
within your patterns --
all your views
and all your weird opinions
and everything to you
that you're making
to show the general public
whatever point of view this is
or this has, whatever this says.
But you know everybody's gonna
be judging it, and it's like,
I fuckin' judge
every fuckin' skateboard company
when they fuck up.
I think a lot of people in
the industry make my job easy.
But then it's -- it's not easy.
It's tough.
If I don't make the boards,
there's no boards.
If I don't make the shirts,
there's no shirts.
You have to come up with an idea
every day, kind of.
I don't know what I'm doing.
I don't know what I'm doing.
I've done it from
a month-by-month basis.
I'm only doing
whatever I'm doing in the moment
that feels right, like,
whether it be doing ads
a certain way
or making a video come out
a certain way or doing --
I can only base it
on -- on right now.
**
Dill's got an eye
for what's good,
and he won't let anyone else
do it, you know?
So he's the one that's just
sitting there doing it.
That's what keeps him
in the mix.
But he's, you know, constantly
looking at everything, like,
"Like,
I see what Kevin's doing."
Like, I'll want to kind of
try to incorporate
somethin' like that
for his graphic, you know?
Everybody tells me all the time,
like, F.A. has the best
graphics, and it's --
I don't even put stickers
on my boards.
You see? If you can't tell.
I always was like, "Damn, I'm
gonna get my first pro graphic
tattooed on my arm right here.
And then, my first pro graphic
was a fuckin' picture of my face
as a child,
and I was like,
"I'm not about to get that."
They're all great, man.
Like, Nakel's?
Kevin Bradley's.
Kush Cowboy has got
his weed diploma.
Sage's.
Look at this.
Original Chlo board.
Why did you
wanna give her a board?
Because Chloe fuckin' rules.
She just is great.
Like, Chloe's just the best.
She's just, you know...
It's like that Stevie Nicks
super sick, like,
you can't put your finger on it,
but it's the fuckin' business.
You're a pro skater?
I know. I am a pro skater.
I have a pro deck.
I have to thank him for, like
keeping me relevant, in a way,
with the young kids, you know?
I'm pretty grateful
that he did that, you know?
Aah!
Whoa.
I remember skating this board.
It was so good.
Like, I got, like, a lot
of good clips on this board
that I really liked.
This is...
the only board that I skated.
It's one of my favorite boards.
This is a painting.
It's not a photo.
And it's so insane.
Dylan's kid picture.
I used to have
the painting of this.
I wanted to do a board that's
really special for Dylan when...
he got sick, and, um...
And so I got with this artist,
Delphin, who's really great,
and, um, I said, "I want modern
Dylan close on a child Dylan."
We got photos from Dylan's mom,
and, I said,
"Let's do this one,"
and put it on, like,
a leather jacket
with a button-up shirt,
and he did it,
and it came out really great.
Dylan was so fuckin' special.
Just one of the greatest ever.
[ Cat Power's
"Metal Heart" plays ]
* Losing the star
without a sky *
**
* Losing the reasons why
We put him on Alien
when he was young,
so he was on Alien with us.
* You're losing the calling
that you've been faking *
As we went along, like,
Dylan would come to New York
and, like, visit me
and, like, hang out, Bill,
and he kind of became...
kind of known, you know?
Like, coming out to New York
and just kickin' ass.
**
* It's damned if you don't,
and it's damned if you do *
* Be true, 'cause they'll
lock you up in a sad, sad zoo *
**
My God!
That shit was insane to watch
in person, man.
He just, like --
just a level up so hard.
**
It's like the best of the best.
* Metal heart,
you're not hiding *
The response after Dylan
passed away was, like --
It was, um...
It was really, really beautiful.
It was just, like...
I'm so glad that we were able
to do what we were able to do
with Dylan,
the amount of time
that he was alive.
I mean, I got to go on
so many fuckin' tours with him.
I got to see, like,
him, like, blossom.
I remember
when he had no tattoos,
and, you know, all that shit,
like, all that stuff that --
that you, like, see someone
going from, like a kid
into a man and all that stuff,
you know?
So I really appreciate that.
It's great.
His ashes are right there.
Like, I have some of his ashes,
and Bill has some, and...
Yeah, no,
his mom gave them to us,
and I keep that little picture
there and the little --
I love that picture
of me and Dylan.
**
But, yeah, Super Dylan.
He's the best.
Dill's contribution
to skateboarding
is reminding people
that it's skateboarding
and you can do
whatever the fuck you want.
So, we're supposed to
meet Jason Dill here,
and he got arrested on
the way here for, a joint.
"Got arrested.
I'll be there
by 12:30 or 1:00."
I thought getting arrested
takes longer than that.
We're passing
by the Bowery Mission,
whatever that is,
and he didn't get a chance
to tell me what that was,
'cause the police
came up out of nowhere.
He wasn't even smoking
'cause he was telling me about
all this shit, like --
So the shit
had went out already.
So he's like,
"Yeah, blah, blah, blah."
Next thing you know,
police came and grabbed him.
Free Dill. He locked up.
I didn't even get a chance
to hit it like that, like...
That's not why I'm bummed.
I mean, it sucks that Dill's
locked up, but he'll get out.
The joint is gone, for sure.
That shit's never coming back.
Free the joint, really.
The cool thing
about Fucking Awesome
and seeing sort of it as being
this kind of
little personal thing
that Dill did for so long
and now what it is,
this huge board company
with this massive team,
and I think more than anything,
it stokes me out to see
that he has such a solid group
of young kids on his team
who he really, like,
loves and respects.
**
Whoa!
A lot of these kids
have known each other
for a long time.
They've known Dill
for a long time.
And now these kids
are just so good.
And now they're influencing
a whole generation.
It's really cool to see
what it's become.
**
Hey, Free Dill!
Free Dill!
Fuckin' cops, man!
The fuckin' cops, man.
Yeah.
Like, of anything
to get fuckin' bagged for.
It's such bullshit, man.
Just like...
Sorry.
It was just like -- I'm
sorry to be so late.
How about --
How about this for a shot?
I love these guys.
These guys are my best friends.
When I got the chance to do
the video for Supreme,
"Cherry," I was so psyched.
Just like, kind of like,
felt like the time.
Like, I felt the energy,
and no one knew
the footage I had.
So I was kind of just trying
to tell Dill, like,
"Dude, you're gonna --
you gotta do something
with these kids right now."
I'm like, "Just trust me."
Respect the youth.
Youth are getting restless.
Ba dum bum.
I've always called them my kids
because, people kind of
refer to them --
They be like, "I seen
your kids, I seen your kids."
Like, I used to give Sage
Alien Workshop, like, you know,
a lot of them would get boards
from me.
And then, you know,
you got to understand,
when -- when they were filming
"Cherry," Tyshawn was 13.
I think a lot of people
in the skateboarding industry
thought I was fuckin' trippin'.
Look at him now.
You know what I mean?
Like, no one can touch them.
They're the fuckin' best.
**
Dill's really good with people,
and, like --
and he's been through
a ton of shit, so --
And a lot of these kids, too,
like, they're --
they're going through shit,
so he has that type
of relationship with them, too.
You know,
you drop out of school,
smoke the pot, take the acid,
go pro one day.
How about that?
America.
I don't know about
the acid, but...
This is America!
Get used to it, white people!
Fuck you!
He'll also get on their ass
about shit, too.
I have a word
to say to you, too.
Jesus.
You better behave these days.
If you do some shit
that he don't like,
he gonna say how he feel.
Period.
I -- You got to respect that.
Dill is very passionate.
And that's what happens
when you have passion.
You know, a lot of people in the
industry are just fake as fuck.
He's someone
that they look up to.
He's not perfect,
and he doesn't claim to be.
Well...
maybe claims to be a little bit.
But at the same time,
he's such a, like, good person
to be learning from
'cause he's been through it.
My --
Like, all the time, man.
Father-- No.
He say that shit,
but that nigga ain't my father.
My father name is Tyshawn Jones.
That ain't my father.
That's -- That's my big homey.
That ain't my dad.
The best one is when
I was skating with Alex Olson,
and I was, like,
arguing with this guy
who had parked his car
in the way,
and I was like,
"Yo, get out of here."
But little did I know
that by doing that,
I was making the whole process
just take longer, you know?
So word got back to Dill
that I was being annoying
on the session,
and Dill was like, "When you
go skate with those dudes,
you're a fucking ghost!
You sit in the corner,
and you fuckin' watch!"
Like, hell, yeah.
All right.
What was filming --
Good skate etiquette, though.
I feel it.
Dill is so dramatic.
Yeah.
Dill's a drama queen.
You got to like --
He's a master of theater.
Dill showed me more of the art
in the other stuff
around skateboarding
and even the art
in skateboarding,
like, telling me things
like nobody should ever
have bad flat ground.
Like, if you have bad flat
ground, you're a trash skater.
**
I-I always say, like,
I love them all so much,
and altogether,
they make my favorite skater.
You know what I mean?
- Whoo!
- Yeah!
I'm at awe of it all the time.
Like, I can't believe this.
This is so cool to see them
go from where they are to now.
It's like...
you couldn't ask for anything
cooler than that.
I'm so proud of them.
They're the new pros.
And, I couldn't be
fucking happier with, like,
who they are, what they are,
what this is, what we've done.
It's fucking great!
**
What I really like now
is how they'll go
to different countries
on tours for shoe companies
that they have contracts with,
whatever,
and they'll stay for like
another month and shit.
I'm like... that's what I did!
And, like, just, like,
eating in nice restaurants
where they never thought
they were gonna eat at
and just getting high
all around the planet
and just landing it
and ripping and living.
That's all I wanted
out of this whole shit.
**
Everything that happened
outside of my drug use,
I wanted these kids
to experience
the professional
skateboarding experience
that I got to experience,
which was psycho and beautiful
and scary and dangerous and...
I don't understand how I made it
to be sitting in this chair now,
'cause it was really
fucking insane.
**
**
**
but I found this --
this scorpion.
'Cause what I want to do
is get it out,
and then maybe I could
make it into a graphic.
When --
Kids, when you do this at home,
number one, stay off the drugs.
Number two...
you need
to wear protective eyewear.
'Cause when you want
your graphics to be cool,
you know,
you got to do some things.
Jesus!
I thought --
I thought it would be,
like, solid solid.
Just kidding.
Hot day for graphics.
I feel like you
look at Dill and you would go,
"That guy's probably famous
or something."
It's the stinger.
There's something about Dill
that makes him unique
just by looking at him.
**
Dill always had that gift
of not being on the board
and then getting on it and then
looking sketchy for a second
and then doing
the gnarliest thing.
Dill came in, and he was like,
"Dude, I'm tellin' you,
this is my last few years
on the board.
You're gonna want to have it
on film."
**
He's just so alive
and, like, showman
and just fun to talk to
and so excited
and, like, that enthusiasm
is infectious.
Dill is a talker.
"You see these fuckin' calves?
I will fuckin' kick the
shit out of you."
He's just a fireball.
You could tell his brain
is just, like,
"This point, this point,
this point, this point.
I got this to say.
you see this? Blah, blah, blah.
Man, I just seen this.
This was cool.
I was walking down the street,
and I seen blah, blah, blah."
I got eyes like a cat.
I see everything.
Dill could talk your ear off,
but if you listen,
you'll learn some good shit.
Yeah, the joke is that
you can just probably sit him
down in a chair and go, like,
"So..."
and he'll take it from there.
All right, so, Patrick, Aaron,
how long you guys
been doing this?
Need to put your glasses down.
I love ice cream.
Henry, you're my main man.
Trip out. Trip out.
What's up?
Welcome back
to "Epicly Later'd."
This new series
is on television this time,
and we've done tons of episodes.
I c-- added them up once --
there's maybe 50 of them.
And 2 of those 50
have been on Dill.
What's up?
He was somebody
I wanted to revisit.
So much has changed in his life.
He lives in Los Angeles now.
L.A.'s hectic,
too, I guess.
He runs a company called F.A.
with Anthony Van Engelen.
Real stylish skater.
He's also known
for his personality.
He's kind of like
a-a polarizing,
controversial guy.
The world's fucked right now,
and everything's so fucked
in America.
White people are blowing it,
and it's just...
So, we are here
at his house in West Hollywood.
We're just gonna see
what's up with him,
so here we are
with a Jason Dill episode.
I was just
a little white-trash kid.
Like, that's just shitty.
I had, like, just started,
like, liking chicks
and, like, smokin' cigarettes
with my friends and being bad
and listening
to fuckin' "Master of Puppets"
and drawing the cover and shit.
**
When you, as a child,
8, 9 years old,
come across a skill
and people start
patting you on the back for it,
people start telling you,
"You better keep doing that
because you're really good
at it,"
and you become obsessed
with that one thing that you do,
you're a weirdo now.
**
For sure, like, you're --
you're different now.
You're experiencing life
differently
'cause you're putting in
so many hours of practice
into one, fixated thing
while other kids are, you know,
putting toy cars up their butt.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you are...
**
...pattern.
Skateboarding's all pattern,
and it's over-repetition.
Makes you fuckin' crazy.
**
Right around, like,
9 or 10 -- no, 8 --
I found myself living across
the street from Ed Templeton,
and, um...
they were skateboarding,
and that went from there.
Think about it.
Like, it's crazy.
I was seeing Ed Templeton
and Jason Lee,
and, like, they were
older dudes, you know?
Fuckin' jerkin' off
and all that fuckin' shit.
They were always talkin' about
shit like that and, like, chicks
and fuckin' this and that
and, like --
I remember this one kid,
Davis --
he was incredible,
incredible skateboarder,
and I remember, um, like,
that age,
and he's like,
"Last night, I had sex
with this girl on mushrooms,
and her face was melting,
and I was --"
I was like, "Yes!"
Like, it was just
a sick education.
It was so cool.
And then that's when I started
to go to contests,
and I got, like,
sponsored, sponsored,
and that's when I really started
to, like,
realize that, like, "Fuck.
I'm, like,
an amateur skateboarder.
I'm sponsored.
This is really cool.
I can, like,
make something out of this."
**
* I heard my master
* Spoke with your master
Being on 101 was, um...
Yeah, it was definitely
my first big-deal sponsor.
It was fuckin' not as --
Not to take anything away
from Black Label,
but it was -- 101's a company
that turned me pro.
* There we are
I've heard stories
of maybe, stealing boards.
I was 19 years old.
19 years old, I lived on my own,
I took 36 boards from World
and probably
a bunch of other product.
I sold it
so I could pay my rent and shit.
It's lame, whatever.
It's -- I felt -- I felt like
it was lame for they didn't --
they didn't pay me,
and I needed dough,
and then, at the same time,
I took 36 boards,
so I totally understand now,
being older, like...
I don't take it back, but...
* To see if my master
* Had a happy
We would buy boards from Dill.
One time,
I tried to trade him dirt weed,
saying it was, like,
old good shit for some boards,
and he was, like,
"This shit's shit,
but you can take those
three boards for it. Whatever."
**
By that time, like,
"Trilogy" had come out.
Like, I really was like,
"Man, Dill's sick."
Like, he was someone I looked
up to and fuckin' ripped.
He's always had flavor.
He was, like, one of those dudes
that, like, didn't have
that much footage come up,
but when he did,
it was always sick.
It was like he knew just to
put out less but make it dope,
you know?
It would be like every 411.
There'd be a gnarly trick in.
Like, Dyrdek kept hitting him up
about, like,
riding for the Workshop.
**
Alien Workshop is and was,
you know,
the smartest
skateboard company ever.
Like, I mean,
it sounds silly saying that,
but if you really
think about it, actually,
it was, the only
serious skateboard company.
The quest
for the New World Order
is, in part, a challenge
to keep the dangers
of disorder at bay.
1990, "Memory Screen" came out.
It just shifted... my thinking.
Everything I saw in that...
This is the Alien Workshop.
...from the beginning with the
jud-duh jud-duh
jud-duh jud-duh jud-duh,
"Quest for the New World Order,"
all that,
when you're a kid
and something comes across
that you've never fuckin'
even known about,
and that -- that's coming in,
there's nothing like that.
And that's exactly
what "Memory Screen" was.
Just like if you were
to watch a film at home,
and you're like, "Fuck, man.
That fucked me up."
Skateboarding can do that
to you.
You can be watching it at
fuckin' someone's video party,
you're like...
"My God!
He didn't just fuckin' do that."
And then, like, you see that
cocksucker riding away, like,
"Yeah, motherfucker, I did it."
It's like murder.
It's like legal murder
sometimes, in a beautiful way.
**
But there was just
nothing like the Workshop.
It just really was, like,
in neon lights,
just about the best company
you could ride for.
Those were, like,
the best times of my life,
those early Alien years.
And, like,
I felt like I finally was, like,
a part of something
that meant something, you know?
1998 to 2000, we made
the "411 Industry Section"...
**
..."Feedback,"
and "Photosynthesis."
**
Now, I'm not asking
for a fuckin' award.
I'm just fuckin' sayin'
that's fuckin' gnarly.
And you told me
that "Feedback" was your --
was your, like, throwaways...
No, I never said that.
But you said --
Nothing I've ever put out's
a fuckin' throwaway.
Everything I've ever put out
was hard for me to do.
Okay.
Wrong word.
Um, when we were filming
"Feedback,"
me and Anthony didn't think
TransWorld videos
were that good.
I mean, come on.
I'm sorry, Ty, but real quick,
I love "Feedback,"
but that song fuckin' sucks
to this day.
What the fuck is that song?
So, we had some Brian Eno song
on the European release,
then it comes out here,
and it's, like, some fuckin'...
* Take a ride on a...
That fuckin' song sucks so bad,
but the video part...
is still okay.
And the editing's great.
That song
I still can't get over, Ty.
I'm sorry.
I'm never gonna forgive anyone
for that song.
Now we've got ourself clear.
I'm about
to make this video pop.
See, you got to love New York.
Fuckin' free bagels.
For sure,
when he moved to New York,
there was a whole
New York Jason, for sure.
You know?
It all got put together
right there.
**
We're on Bowery right now, and,
I used to live right here.
138.
Shit. Okay. So it was...
It's gone now.
Ha! Just like everything.
It's all -- Sorry, man.
It's okay.
It's fuckin' gone.
**
Early New York, in --
as a teenager,
I would basically have to...
bite my tongue
'cause I was so excited
by everything I was seeing.
Everything I --
Everything I saw was like,
"My God!"
Like, it was just, like --
I was so...
blown away.
New York knocked me off my feet.
I needed to be there more often,
and then, once I was, you know,
financially capable
of being there
and not being completely broke,
there's nothing like being in
your early 20s in New York City.
Holy shit.
This area's Tribeca.
You know, it's, like,
the most expensive neighborhood
in the world.
I lived here. Yep.
But I had to live
with a parrot named Walter.
And he was a fuckin' asshole.
Walter was such a dick.
I hated Walter.
He was the meanest parrot
you ever could've met.
**
I used to walk around these
streets at such a young age,
just flyin' high.
You know what I mean?
Like, didn't really think.
I just...
would get fucked up and just...
I think, at that time,
there was a lot of, like,
partying and shit going on,
and, like, meeting a lot of,
like, different people
even outside of skate and stuff,
like --
I mean, he's always Dill,
but, you know,
Extra New York Party Dill.
I think the scene at
the time when I first moved here
and Dill was here,
I think that scene
was just so fuckin' powerful,
and it felt like, "Dang.
There's a whole world out here
that I didn't know,"
meeting
all these different people
that have nothing to do
with skating,
and we were just going out
every single night
and just having the be--
the best nights of our lives,
really.
There was like 30 of us
at every party every night,
like, you know.
It was crazy.
It was like a web of craziness.
I would go stay at Dill's
when they lived
on Broadway and Canal,
and I remember,
one time, he had, like --
like board shorts and, like,
penny loafers.
And then he was just telling me,
like,
"I'm never doing cocaine again,"
like, "That shit's gross.
I hate people
that are doing cocaine,"
and literally
five minutes later,
comes out of --
out of the fuckin' bathroom,
he's like, "I just snorted
a bunch of coke."
So he's wearing penny loafers
and trunks,
and I was just like,
"Man, you are fucked."
I'm abouts to do --
I'm abouts to do
whatever the hell...
I goddamn please.
I don't remember if he said it
or I said it, but someone
was like, "Do you like to do
drugs?" and I was like, "Yeah."
And then, we went on
this like 17-day bender.
We just did whatever we wanted.
**
And it's insane
that we're alive.
**
That time period,
from 1998 to 2003,
was just... mayhem.
I took so much Valium
on the flight here
that it's taking its toll.
Finally,
money started coming in.
It was like, "Holy shit!"
It was like I'm buying
a pair of Jordans every day,
and I have
my own bags of cocaine.
It's not someone else's
bag of cocaine
I'm borrowing to go to
the bathroom with. It's, like --
You know what I mean?
Like, and then, like,
you meet all these people
who do not skateboard.
Let's get crazy.
Let's get nuts.
Let's do it.
That's why I like New York,
and I like that shit
where, like, you could be
in the mix of something.
You never really knew
what everyone did.
**
Yeah!
I really liked that.
I thought that was cool.
It's a new era --
new era in skateboarding,
and, I have to say
it's a new era in life.
**
Things, - Things have changed.
See?!
For me!
For me!
For me!
We're on Canal Street,
and we're coming up on,
-- on Broadway.
And that's -- that's where
I lived for a long time.
Like, on 9/11, I lived here.
So, on 9/11, I woke up
hearing my roommate say,
"What do you mean a plane flew
into the World Trade Center?"
Like,
'cause he was on the phone.
Our walls were super thin.
And I just put my pants on.
I was like, "I need to see it."
But I thought -- I thought
it'd be, like, a little plane.
Pd-bd-bd-bd!
Like, once I turned the corner,
I saw both buildings on fire.
The closer you would get
walking down,
you'd see people
start walking toward you
covered in white soot.
From here, you -- at first,
you thought it was just debris,
like, falling, like --
And a lot was debris.
But then,
once you get close enough
and you could, like --
it's like...
You know, "My God.
That's a man
and a woman jumping."
Like, he's wearing a blue suit
and, like --
You could start to see,
like, you know --
Like, it really, actually --
Hold on.
Da da da da da da da da! Cha!
My hero!
I knew it was gonna happen.
Thank you.
That's right.
I'm the best, totally.
By the time
that I walked back down
and I ran into my roommate
and my girlfriend,
you know, that's when...
He was like, "Turn around,"
like, just...
That was that.
We didn't do that photo
to, like...
out of disrespect
or anything like that.
It was...
I mean, it was a f--
I mean -- I mean, that's --
it was -- it was so insane.
You know what I mean?
I -- You know, I don't really --
I don't know.
I don't talk about this shit
too much,
'cause it's, like,
it's real fucked up, man.
Real life, TV.
You'll never see something
so psycho.
You know what I mean?
Like... you hope not to.
What's happening
with your video part, buddy?
I'm gonna tell you this
one more time.
I want this video part so bad.
I want it to be so good.
Now, you -- you call me
more often than not
not sure
what day of the week it is.
Connor, it is Friday the 10th.
I'm just telling you, Dill,
my observations,
and I'm worried about you.
I know, Connor, but it's not --
I think it's --
I think it's more me
being more, flamboyantly,
extravagantly...
I don't know.
Maybe I am that fucked up.
Skateboarding needs personality,
and you need dudes like him,
you know?
Everything that I like
about skateboarding,
he's, like, fit that.
You know what I mean?
There was something about him
that was magnetizing
for me, at least, and I think
a lot of other people, too.
I think when his
"Photosynthesis" part came on,
I think everyone was like,
"Dude,
this part is fuckin' sick."
Whoa!
Filming for "Photosynthesis"
with Bill was the best.
It was so great, because
"Photosynthesis" just happened.
We would just go out and skate,
and we'd get tricks
or we wouldn't.
And then, at night,
we'd go get fucked up.
It was great.
There was no,
"You need a last trick,"
or, like,
"You need another line, or..."
None of that.
It all just came together.
It wasn't, like, a job, really.
We'd just be out, like,
having fun all the time,
and then it'd be like, "Dude,
deadline's in two months,"
or, like, "Dude,
we got to get it together."
Like, "Let's go out skating."
I'd be like, "All right."
He would just try shit
and get it done.
I knew I wasn't gonna make
a better video part,
and that's tough
when you're in your early 20s
and you, you know,
you don't want to...
**
...peak, you know, too soon.
**
"Photosynthesis" was the last
video that j-- it just came out,
and it didn't feel like work.
Everything else after that
felt like a lot of work.
**
Fuck off.
My time on the board
was getting further apart.
Tricks landed and film.
**
It was the beginning
of the worst of the worst.
Tempo, cruise kibble,
cruise kibble, cruise kibble.
Pbht!
**
He would show up on trips,
and I could tell, like,
he'd just ain't been skatin',
partyin'.
20 bucks to open the restaurant
to get me cigarettes.
I'll give you 50 bucks, you o--
It's -- It's closed. 50 bucks.
But then, like,
he'd be a few days in the trip,
and he's fuckin' rippin'.
**
You know, and he's gettin' shit,
and you're just like, "What the fuck?"
Like, "I've never seen you do that trick."
**
I'm not ashamed of "Mindfield,"
but I most certainly got by
on the skin of my teeth
for that part.
And I really owe Greg Hunt
an apology for just being so...
I mean, I would say "Mindfield"
was probably a challenging time
for Dill.
He was still kind of, like,
drinking a lot and stuff,
so he wasn't, I would say,
like, in tip-top shape.
Whoo!
You're alive?
Yeah, yeah!
A-fuckin'-gain!
A-fuckin'-gain!
He would kind of
not skate for a while,
and then he would come on a trip
and try to skate,
and he would sometimes get hurt.
**
Like, his wrist.
I think he broke his wrist
a couple times.
Yeah, I was a mess
during "Mindfield."
I was a fuckin' mess.
It's still good, though.
That's the thing about Jason.
It's, like,
it's still out of that video,
like, one of the parts
that I would watch --
You know what I mean? --
and that I like,
so he has that, you know,
whether his effort level
is at 20% or 100%, you know?
People want to see it.
Between 2006 and '09,
I probably developed
my worst drug addiction.
Yeah, what kind of drugs
are we talking about?
I'd smoke speed,
I'd smoke crack,
I'd take pills,
I'd do whatever you got.
But the main thing that would
keep me kind of, like,
buzzin' throughout my days
was -- was Vicodin, Percocets
mixed with booze and...
**
It would get larger in quantity
as you went on,
and the years would go on,
you'd do more
and all that bullshit.
**
You know, I wasn't
talking to him very much,
and, um...
He, had that morning
where he woke up fuckin'
throwing up blood and shit.
Um, it was Jameson and Vicodin,
and, - that caused
a hole in my belly.
And I woke up one morning,
and I threw up blood everywhere.
And I ended up at a New York
downtown hospital for a bit,
and they were like,
"You had a gastric hemorrhage.
Your insides kind of look like
a 60-year-old bum's.
You got to cut the shit out.
You're gonna die."
**
He ended up in L.A., and I was
living in Venice at the time.
And then he stayed in this,
like, weird motel
in Santa Monica,
and I'd pick him up.
Man, he looked like shit.
He was, like,
fuckin' grayish yellow.
He wasn't good, you know?
And...
Whatever. Long story short,
ended up staying with me
for a year
and gettin' his shit together
and skatin' a lot.
We ate, slept,
breathed skateboarding.
That's all we did.
We'd come home, watch videos,
fall asleep on the couch,
like, get up, go skate.
We skated every single day
for like a year.
That's when he really got
his shit together, you know?
Like, of all the times
I've spent with Dill,
that was the most epic of times,
and it was rad.
2013 came flying in.
And, I... quit...
Alien Workshop after 15 years
to do F.A.
Dill's told me even before,
he's just like, "If it all
ended today, I'd be happy.
'Cause you know why? We did it."
Whoa! Whoo!
**
I think it was in London,
and I was drunk
in the back of a taxi cab.
And I was with my now partner,
Mikey Piscitelli.
And, um, I said, "I want to make
a clothing company.
I want to call it
Fucking Awesome."
And he was like,
"Wow. That's dumb."
And I was like, "Yep."
And then he went back
to America,
and I remember calling him
from a pay phone.
And I was like,
"What are you doing?"
He's like, "I'm trying
to make this logo for you."
**
From 2000 to 2005,
we were making shirts
pretty sporadically.
And, I mean, small amounts --
like, 300 of something.
And, only selling it
to Supreme
in New York and in Japan.
I'd say the first three rounds
of shirts,
they were all printed by us
in our apartment.
But 2005, we had, like,
a big spike in popularity
in that streetwear world,
and it got a little too big
where it wasn't manageable
between everything else
we had going on,
so we just didn't do anything
for a year
when I think most people
would've jumped at that.
Doing it that way allowed us to
not fall into any trends or die,
and because we never did it
as a source of income,
it stayed pure where we were
able to do whatever we wanted,
to the point
when Dill and Ave decided
that they were gonna leave
Workshop.
Dill was like, "I want to turn
F.A. into a board company."
Yeah! There you go!
At that time, we were just
so sick of, across the board,
with s-skate companies.
Like, everything got so
fuckin' soft and watered down
because there was so much money,
and everything got built up
and, like, you know, there was
these huge infrastructures
for these companies that,
you know,
"We have to make product
that sells to fucking zoomies,
'cause we have to."
We want that stuff we came from,
and we still thought
that there was skaters out there
that weren't jocks
and, like,
were attracted to skateboarding
for the same fuckin' reasons
we were and needed that.
Skateboarding...
sold itself to the mall.
You just can't contain
a whole culture of a thing
inside of your Spencer's Gifts.
We already had an idea
of team riders,
and, like,
it was all right there.
But it was a gnarly idea
of leaving the Workshop
after 14, 15 years.
There was definitely a time...
when I was like,
"Guys, I don't know.
I'm fuckin' scared."
**
And Bill and Anthony
stayed on me.
They really,
really stayed on me.
**
We quit May 1, 2013.
Um, no bullshit, man. It was...
That was gnarly.
It was sad.
That was so hard for him,
and I think that also added
to the fear of everything, like,
"I'm leaving this place
that I've always been,
and I'm gonna do my own thing,"
which is awesome,
but then, with that,
there was a lot of weight
that I think he felt
he had to carry on his own.
**
Yeah, he was crazy for a while.
**
Stuff.
Stuff. Stuff.
It's all a mess.
Believe it or not,
this is all unused material.
All -- Most all of it's
been scanned, but...
F.A. graphics --
like, everything that ends up
being something for sale
comes from here.
Like, it comes from this area.
I just like anything
that's physical.
I like --
I like that you can cut things
and, like, rearrange them.
At least the idea's there.
He got a very clear idea
of what he thought was cool
in skateboarding.
And the clearer that idea got,
the more fixated he got
on separating himself
from everyone else.
B-Basically, what I mean is,
he's got a clear understanding
for what he thinks is cool
and what he thinks sucks.
And right now, in skateboarding,
what he thinks is cool
is it's the most popular
things out, you know?
So I think that his genius
was on par for the timing
of where popular culture's at
and where skateboarding's at.
One big thing I really enjoy
about owning my own company,
I no longer have to answer
the question of,
"What do you do for a living,"
with, "I'm
a professional skateboarder."
'Cause it just sounds like --
I might as well say, like,
"I'm a fuckin' professional
pogo stick." You know?
Now I can be like,
"I'm a company owner."
"Really?
Well, is -- is -- is it
a lucrative business?"
"Well, yeah, Poindexter,
actually, it is.
I'm doing fuckin' pretty good
owning a skateboard company."
But you know what I mean?
I no longer have to be, like,
"Pro skateboarder,
blah, blah, blah,"
and then people are like,
"Are you on ESPN?
Do you do the X Games?"
It's, "No. No. No."
"Do you know Tony Hawk?"
Ding! "I do."
And that's the one que--
You know, like,
"I -- I -- I know Tony.
Yeah, he's a good guy.
I love Tony Hawk."
**
Why did they turn her pro?
Why wouldn't you turn her pro?
Look at this picture.
You wouldn't --
You wouldn't turn this pro?
Um, I-I just want to show it,
this,
because if anyone's ever seen
one of these episodes
that Patrick's done
with me before,
I never had a kitchen
that looked like this.
That episode begins with,
like, a blood spit on the wall.
Yeah.
Did you fix your teeth? Yeah.
For the most part, I mean...
We're looking at
about $18,000 later.
**
Even back then,
when he was in New York,
he would always have stuff
hanging up
in his apartments and stuff,
like,
photos that he had cut together,
little collages,
just random gnarly Polaroids
of somebody all bloody
or, like, him naked,
weird stuff just hanging up
all over.
And the F.A. graphics
look a lot like
the stuff he just had hanging up
in his apartment.
**
There's a whole room in my house
I won't let you see,
'cause it all looks like this.
No one goes in there.
It's just me.
I basically accumulated
my own thrift store back there.
So -- Why can't we go in?
It's too much. It's too crazy
right now, because I def--
I feel so good
about how together I now appear
compared to when I was on
this thing when I was younger.
It's funny.
If you make everything at home,
you're stuck at home,
and you're making everything
within your patterns --
all your views
and all your weird opinions
and everything to you
that you're making
to show the general public
whatever point of view this is
or this has, whatever this says.
But you know everybody's gonna
be judging it, and it's like,
I fuckin' judge
every fuckin' skateboard company
when they fuck up.
I think a lot of people in
the industry make my job easy.
But then it's -- it's not easy.
It's tough.
If I don't make the boards,
there's no boards.
If I don't make the shirts,
there's no shirts.
You have to come up with an idea
every day, kind of.
I don't know what I'm doing.
I don't know what I'm doing.
I've done it from
a month-by-month basis.
I'm only doing
whatever I'm doing in the moment
that feels right, like,
whether it be doing ads
a certain way
or making a video come out
a certain way or doing --
I can only base it
on -- on right now.
**
Dill's got an eye
for what's good,
and he won't let anyone else
do it, you know?
So he's the one that's just
sitting there doing it.
That's what keeps him
in the mix.
But he's, you know, constantly
looking at everything, like,
"Like,
I see what Kevin's doing."
Like, I'll want to kind of
try to incorporate
somethin' like that
for his graphic, you know?
Everybody tells me all the time,
like, F.A. has the best
graphics, and it's --
I don't even put stickers
on my boards.
You see? If you can't tell.
I always was like, "Damn, I'm
gonna get my first pro graphic
tattooed on my arm right here.
And then, my first pro graphic
was a fuckin' picture of my face
as a child,
and I was like,
"I'm not about to get that."
They're all great, man.
Like, Nakel's?
Kevin Bradley's.
Kush Cowboy has got
his weed diploma.
Sage's.
Look at this.
Original Chlo board.
Why did you
wanna give her a board?
Because Chloe fuckin' rules.
She just is great.
Like, Chloe's just the best.
She's just, you know...
It's like that Stevie Nicks
super sick, like,
you can't put your finger on it,
but it's the fuckin' business.
You're a pro skater?
I know. I am a pro skater.
I have a pro deck.
I have to thank him for, like
keeping me relevant, in a way,
with the young kids, you know?
I'm pretty grateful
that he did that, you know?
Aah!
Whoa.
I remember skating this board.
It was so good.
Like, I got, like, a lot
of good clips on this board
that I really liked.
This is...
the only board that I skated.
It's one of my favorite boards.
This is a painting.
It's not a photo.
And it's so insane.
Dylan's kid picture.
I used to have
the painting of this.
I wanted to do a board that's
really special for Dylan when...
he got sick, and, um...
And so I got with this artist,
Delphin, who's really great,
and, um, I said, "I want modern
Dylan close on a child Dylan."
We got photos from Dylan's mom,
and, I said,
"Let's do this one,"
and put it on, like,
a leather jacket
with a button-up shirt,
and he did it,
and it came out really great.
Dylan was so fuckin' special.
Just one of the greatest ever.
[ Cat Power's
"Metal Heart" plays ]
* Losing the star
without a sky *
**
* Losing the reasons why
We put him on Alien
when he was young,
so he was on Alien with us.
* You're losing the calling
that you've been faking *
As we went along, like,
Dylan would come to New York
and, like, visit me
and, like, hang out, Bill,
and he kind of became...
kind of known, you know?
Like, coming out to New York
and just kickin' ass.
**
* It's damned if you don't,
and it's damned if you do *
* Be true, 'cause they'll
lock you up in a sad, sad zoo *
**
My God!
That shit was insane to watch
in person, man.
He just, like --
just a level up so hard.
**
It's like the best of the best.
* Metal heart,
you're not hiding *
The response after Dylan
passed away was, like --
It was, um...
It was really, really beautiful.
It was just, like...
I'm so glad that we were able
to do what we were able to do
with Dylan,
the amount of time
that he was alive.
I mean, I got to go on
so many fuckin' tours with him.
I got to see, like,
him, like, blossom.
I remember
when he had no tattoos,
and, you know, all that shit,
like, all that stuff that --
that you, like, see someone
going from, like a kid
into a man and all that stuff,
you know?
So I really appreciate that.
It's great.
His ashes are right there.
Like, I have some of his ashes,
and Bill has some, and...
Yeah, no,
his mom gave them to us,
and I keep that little picture
there and the little --
I love that picture
of me and Dylan.
**
But, yeah, Super Dylan.
He's the best.
Dill's contribution
to skateboarding
is reminding people
that it's skateboarding
and you can do
whatever the fuck you want.
So, we're supposed to
meet Jason Dill here,
and he got arrested on
the way here for, a joint.
"Got arrested.
I'll be there
by 12:30 or 1:00."
I thought getting arrested
takes longer than that.
We're passing
by the Bowery Mission,
whatever that is,
and he didn't get a chance
to tell me what that was,
'cause the police
came up out of nowhere.
He wasn't even smoking
'cause he was telling me about
all this shit, like --
So the shit
had went out already.
So he's like,
"Yeah, blah, blah, blah."
Next thing you know,
police came and grabbed him.
Free Dill. He locked up.
I didn't even get a chance
to hit it like that, like...
That's not why I'm bummed.
I mean, it sucks that Dill's
locked up, but he'll get out.
The joint is gone, for sure.
That shit's never coming back.
Free the joint, really.
The cool thing
about Fucking Awesome
and seeing sort of it as being
this kind of
little personal thing
that Dill did for so long
and now what it is,
this huge board company
with this massive team,
and I think more than anything,
it stokes me out to see
that he has such a solid group
of young kids on his team
who he really, like,
loves and respects.
**
Whoa!
A lot of these kids
have known each other
for a long time.
They've known Dill
for a long time.
And now these kids
are just so good.
And now they're influencing
a whole generation.
It's really cool to see
what it's become.
**
Hey, Free Dill!
Free Dill!
Fuckin' cops, man!
The fuckin' cops, man.
Yeah.
Like, of anything
to get fuckin' bagged for.
It's such bullshit, man.
Just like...
Sorry.
It was just like -- I'm
sorry to be so late.
How about --
How about this for a shot?
I love these guys.
These guys are my best friends.
When I got the chance to do
the video for Supreme,
"Cherry," I was so psyched.
Just like, kind of like,
felt like the time.
Like, I felt the energy,
and no one knew
the footage I had.
So I was kind of just trying
to tell Dill, like,
"Dude, you're gonna --
you gotta do something
with these kids right now."
I'm like, "Just trust me."
Respect the youth.
Youth are getting restless.
Ba dum bum.
I've always called them my kids
because, people kind of
refer to them --
They be like, "I seen
your kids, I seen your kids."
Like, I used to give Sage
Alien Workshop, like, you know,
a lot of them would get boards
from me.
And then, you know,
you got to understand,
when -- when they were filming
"Cherry," Tyshawn was 13.
I think a lot of people
in the skateboarding industry
thought I was fuckin' trippin'.
Look at him now.
You know what I mean?
Like, no one can touch them.
They're the fuckin' best.
**
Dill's really good with people,
and, like --
and he's been through
a ton of shit, so --
And a lot of these kids, too,
like, they're --
they're going through shit,
so he has that type
of relationship with them, too.
You know,
you drop out of school,
smoke the pot, take the acid,
go pro one day.
How about that?
America.
I don't know about
the acid, but...
This is America!
Get used to it, white people!
Fuck you!
He'll also get on their ass
about shit, too.
I have a word
to say to you, too.
Jesus.
You better behave these days.
If you do some shit
that he don't like,
he gonna say how he feel.
Period.
I -- You got to respect that.
Dill is very passionate.
And that's what happens
when you have passion.
You know, a lot of people in the
industry are just fake as fuck.
He's someone
that they look up to.
He's not perfect,
and he doesn't claim to be.
Well...
maybe claims to be a little bit.
But at the same time,
he's such a, like, good person
to be learning from
'cause he's been through it.
My --
Like, all the time, man.
Father-- No.
He say that shit,
but that nigga ain't my father.
My father name is Tyshawn Jones.
That ain't my father.
That's -- That's my big homey.
That ain't my dad.
The best one is when
I was skating with Alex Olson,
and I was, like,
arguing with this guy
who had parked his car
in the way,
and I was like,
"Yo, get out of here."
But little did I know
that by doing that,
I was making the whole process
just take longer, you know?
So word got back to Dill
that I was being annoying
on the session,
and Dill was like, "When you
go skate with those dudes,
you're a fucking ghost!
You sit in the corner,
and you fuckin' watch!"
Like, hell, yeah.
All right.
What was filming --
Good skate etiquette, though.
I feel it.
Dill is so dramatic.
Yeah.
Dill's a drama queen.
You got to like --
He's a master of theater.
Dill showed me more of the art
in the other stuff
around skateboarding
and even the art
in skateboarding,
like, telling me things
like nobody should ever
have bad flat ground.
Like, if you have bad flat
ground, you're a trash skater.
**
I-I always say, like,
I love them all so much,
and altogether,
they make my favorite skater.
You know what I mean?
- Whoo!
- Yeah!
I'm at awe of it all the time.
Like, I can't believe this.
This is so cool to see them
go from where they are to now.
It's like...
you couldn't ask for anything
cooler than that.
I'm so proud of them.
They're the new pros.
And, I couldn't be
fucking happier with, like,
who they are, what they are,
what this is, what we've done.
It's fucking great!
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What I really like now
is how they'll go
to different countries
on tours for shoe companies
that they have contracts with,
whatever,
and they'll stay for like
another month and shit.
I'm like... that's what I did!
And, like, just, like,
eating in nice restaurants
where they never thought
they were gonna eat at
and just getting high
all around the planet
and just landing it
and ripping and living.
That's all I wanted
out of this whole shit.
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Everything that happened
outside of my drug use,
I wanted these kids
to experience
the professional
skateboarding experience
that I got to experience,
which was psycho and beautiful
and scary and dangerous and...
I don't understand how I made it
to be sitting in this chair now,
'cause it was really
fucking insane.
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