Dispatches (1987–…): Season 26, Episode 7 - Let Our Dad Die - full transcript

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My name is Tony Nicklinson
and this is my house,

but it is also my prison.

Seven years ago,
I had a major stroke.

It left my body completely
paralysed, but my mind unharmed.

I can only communicate by computer
that follows my eye movements.

That is how I am talking to you now.

I have what is known as
locked-in syndrome.

There is no cure.

I want to commit suicide, but I am
so severely disabled, I can't.

I need someone else to kill me.

If they did,
they could be charged with murder.



That is why my family and I
are going to court tomorrow -

to fight for the right to die.

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ORGAN MUSIC PLAYS

When Tony Nicklinson married his
wife Jane more than 25 years ago,

he was a fit and healthy
civil engineer.

Open your pants!

No, that's for later.

Tony regularly travelled for work
and settled in Dubai,

where he and Jane began a family.

The 6'4" father of two
was a keen rugby player

and loved extreme sports.

Tony was the life and soul
of the party, he was very outgoing,

always had an answer for everything.



He always thought he was right

and usually he was,

which was really annoying.

But yeah, he was a great character.

He was really fun and loud
and he's a massive show-off.

They used to like silly
rugby games as well,

like sing rude rugby songs
and they used to go bar sliding...

That's the sort of person he is -
a bit of a wally, to be honest.

Everyone loved him,
because he wasn't one to shy away,

so everyone knew about him -
he made sure of that.

Yes, I can't stress like, how big
a character he actually was,

he was absolutely brilliant.

He had a huge impact on a lot
of people's lives, in a good way.

In 2005, Tony travelled to Athens

on a business trip.

When he got to his hotel,

he developed a blinding headache

and lost consciousness.

He was rushed to hospital.

The phone rang and I was told that

a foreigner, 51 years old,
had a stroke.

He was completely conscious,
but he wasn't able to move anything,

except his eyes.

He could only open and close his eyes

and move them up and down -
that was all.

This is a stroke called
locked-in syndrome.

Well, it was the first for me to see.

And I think it was...

..something really bad.

Life as we knew it was over.

We would have to get him home,

we would have to pack up
our life back in Dubai

and for a long time, I mean, I would
say for well over a year, I used to

wake up in the mornings,
and it was... For a split second,

it was like I'd had a bad dream

and it wasn't real and
everything was back to normal.

Then, you sort of gather
your thoughts and realise no,

it wasn't, it was the real thing.

Where once Tony travelled the world,

life is now confined to a single
room at his home in Wiltshire.

He is paralysed from the neck down
and can barely control

the movement of his head.

But his mind functions
just as it did before.

His wife Jane, who used to be
a nurse, is now his full-time carer.

When he's eating, you see
I'm constantly wiping his lips

and everything,
and it's not keep him looking clean,

it's because when you put stuff
in his mouth,

if you didn't do anything,
it would just sit there.

He needs something to get him going.

There's lots of little tricks you
can do, but one is wiping his lips.

(COUGHS)

Um, if that doesn't work,
you can put the spoon in his mouth

and press it on his tongue -
that'll work.

(CHOKES)

He quite often almost chokes.

He's actually been really good
tonight.

He always gets a lot of wind
when he eats, because he gulps,

so I release it with his peg.

AIR RATTLES THROUGH TUBE

Tony's stroke also left him
unable to speak.

He communicates through a computer
that tracks his eye movements

using infrared cameras.

He selects letters and words by
looking at them and then blinking.

I find it immensely frustrating
that I write so slowly.

What do you miss the most
about being a husband

and about being a dad?

I miss the most not being able
to hug my wife and kids.

Also I will miss not being able
to hold my grandchildren.

You obviously love Jane
and your family a lot,

but still want to die.

The mental anguish I suffer every day

by knowing that I don't have
a way out far outweighs

the little amount of pleasure
there is in my life.

No-one wants their dad to die,
obviously, but...

Dad said point-blank,
this is what he wants -

he's tried to live life the way
he is now and he doesn't like it.

We knew that this is
the decision he'd make.

We always knew.

My dad is of sound mind,
he knows what he wants.

He's thought about this for...
I don't know how many years.

I don't think that life should be
forced upon people

if they don't want it.

There are people out there,
some in worse condition than him -

that have a full and meaningful
life, which is great for them,

absolutely wonderful for them,
but it's not for Tony.

It's an individual choice.

It's the kind of person that he is.

Life's just not worth living
for him.

Here?

(GROANS)

Because Tony is
so severely disabled,

he is unable to take his own life.

He would need someone else
to do it for him,

but that's against the law.

We're actually asking for someone
to be allowed to end his life

and it's never been done before.

It's not assisted suicide.

It is, in effect murder, really,
so we're asking for -

in circumstances like this -
for murder to be legal.

Tomorrow, at the Royal Courts
of Justice in London,

the Nicklinsons' request
will be considered

by three High Court judges.

This is the first
right-to-die hearing of its kind.

Previous cases have helped clarify
the law on assisted suicide.

But Tony's case goes further.

It's also a fundamental challenge
to the law on murder.

Nobody has brought this sort of case
before the courts before.

The judge at first instance
described it as a case

which would involve
crossing the Rubicon

and it would involve setting
a major legal precedent.

Tony would like to be able to die
at a moment of his own choosing

in a dignified way,
with his family around him.

But he needs help from,
preferably, a doctor.

However, that doctor would be liable
to a charge of murder,

so Tony is putting forward
the argument that a doctor

who helps him in those circumstances

should have a defence of necessity
available to him.

Tony wants the court to agree

that it is necessary
for a doctor to kill him,

because the alternative - forcing
him to stay alive - would be worse.

The government is asking for
Nicklinsons' plea to be thrown out.

They say a decision about
such a controversial issue

should not be taken
by the courts, but by Parliament.

Start again.

We'll start again.

How do you think you'll feel
if you don't win the court case?

The hearing is my only chance
for a pain-free death.

The alternative is starvation,

and that would probably
be my next move,

but because
it will involve some discomfort,

I will have to think about it
very carefully.

But you would consider it?

Yes,
because I am not given any choice.

What will you do if you win?

Probably go sometime in 2014.

Why 2014?

Because I think
I can tolerate my life until then

but if I find that I cannot,
I will go sooner.

Earlier this year,
for the first time,

an independent commission
on assisted dying

concluded that certain people
should be helped to die.

But this was no use to Tony.

The report stressed that the
individual who wished to die

had to be terminally ill

and able to take
the final fatal step themselves.

The former Lord Chancellor, Lord
Falconer, chaired the commission.

Do you support Tony's case?

I don't, because ultimately
the way that Tony puts his case

is to say he wants somebody
to kill him.

Ultimately, my view is,

and it was also the view of the
Commission On Assisted Dying,

there needs to be a line drawn

and the line has to be drawn subject
to other safeguards

in people taking their own lives
rather than somebody killing them.

And that is the big split
between the views I've expressed

and the views that Tony has.

Does Lord Falconer
support your case?

No.

Do you think
you could change his mind?

Yes.

Hello, Tony. How are you?

Nice to see you again.

Welcome. It's good to see you again.

Thank you for coming.

Lord Falconer, I was really
disappointed with your report.

In Britain, everybody
is legally allowed to commit suicide,

but I'm denied the right, only
because I am so severely disabled.

How do you defend
this discrimination against me?

I don't think it's discrimination
in the strict sense,

because what the law was saying is,

"We're not going to interfere
if people want to kill themselves."

That's an entirely private matter.

But for everybody,
the law is the same -

they can't kill somebody else.

So it depends
which side of the telescope

you're looking at it from, in a way.

I appreciate
that we are looking at it

from slightly different ends
of a rather different telescope.

I can't move. I can't talk.

I am in constant mental anguish,

yet you would have me live like this
for another 20 or 30 years.

Be...
How would you feel if it was you,

with no possibility of a way out?

Well, I...

The force of that argument
is very, very, very strong.

And I know this will not sound like
an answer that deals with your case

but in determining
how the law should be, we do,

I think, have to look at how
it would apply to everybody.

If there were people who might
be persuaded to kill themselves

or be killed,

then ultimately protecting them
is an important aspect

that the law's got to deal with.

And that's why I'm saying
I think we shouldn't cross the line

which says that people can kill
other people and it not be murder.

I can't live like this.
What would you suggest I do?

Er... I...

I...I don't have any suggestions

in relation to what you can do

and I'm deeply, deeply sympathetic
to your position.

The only suggestion I can make,
having had this discussion,

you might like to think about
becoming a member of the English Bar

because you put the case more
effectively than anybody else does

and you put the case effectively

because people should be confronted
with what it means in practice

by having a face-to-face
conversation with you, Tony.

Because you've been
incredibly impressive with me.

Because you've been
incredibly impressive with me.
Thank you.

We still agree to disagree.

Thank you.

And I'm quite sure
we'll be discussing this again.

Very, very nice to see you. Bye-bye.

The Netherlands is one
of the few countries in the world

where doctors are legally allowed
to help people die.

The change in law there
came about not through Parliament

but through setting gradual legal
precedents, as Tony is trying to do.

I'm glad that I'm living
in the Netherlands

where we have the possibility
to do that,

where it is legal to do that,
under conditions.

And I think the countries around the
Netherlands where it is not allowed,

for it is not only Britain -

Germany, France, it's always
the same, it is not allowed -

I think they do a bad thing
to their citizens.

Dr van Hasselt has helped
several people end their lives

and is providing evidence
to the Nicklinsons' hearing.

The procedure is that you give
the patient, by injection, a drug,

in which he is in a deep coma.

Then you give a drug
which paralyses his whole body

so he can't breathe any more
and he will suffocate.

Of course, you will not...

that patient will be aware
that he is choking.

That's why the coma
has to be very, very deep.

Dutch doctors now help more
than 3,000 people a year to die.

But they have to follow
strict criteria.

The first one, very important,

is that the request
must be on free will.

There must be unbearable suffering
without any prospect of improvement

and that there is no alternative

to end the suffering
than ending the life.

You've got to face up to the fact
that if we do win, Dad dies,

if we don't win, he lives, and...

each are actually equally
as horrific as the other.

It's a no-win situation,
really, whatever happens.

< It's like abortion.

< When that all happened,
everyone was up in arms about it,

< but now it's just commonplace,
isn't it?

I mean, there are still those
that are against it

and there always will be but...

just have to wait
and see what happens.

Kevin Fitzpatrick
is a disability rights campaigner

for the anti-euthanasia
pressure group Not Dead Yet UK.

Put yourself there, cos Tony...

Put yourself there, cos Tony...
Course I can, yeah.

I can do that, certainly.

Mr Nicklinson, Tony...

Is it all right to call you Tony?

Yeah.

I represent the views
of a lot of disabled people

who are very, very afraid

that if you get what you want,

it will open a radical change

in the way that people
think about killing other people.

It will change how people view
the value of the lives of people

like myself and yourself,

and more and more and more people
will be open to attack.

It won't make any difference
unless you need help to die.

If the law is voluntary,
what is there to worry about?

What they've got
at the minute is protection.

What they will have
the minute the law is changed

is all that protection
taken away from them.

If the lessons
of history teach us anything,

it's when people
actually develop a society

where other people judge
some lives are not worth living.

That's the Rubicon, that's the
difficult bit that will be crossed -

some people will be empowered to say
of some other people,

"You should not stay alive."

The choices you
and people like you give me

is to live an increasingly miserable
life until I die of natural causes,

starve myself to death

or ask the court
for a pain-free death

by getting somebody else to kill me.

Now, imagine that it is you
who I have just described.

What would you do?

Were I to be in your situation,

I don't actually
know how I would react.

I might say that watching my kids

and maybe staying
around long enough

to enjoy the sight of them
having their own children

would be sufficient.

What happens if, like me, at 17,

you go from being six foot four
to four foot six overnight,

what do you do?
What do you think about?

But then the question is...

whether or not, when you get past
that, the next day is different.

Maybe the sun is shining,
maybe the kids are coming,

maybe there's something else
that moves on and distracts you.

OK, but people
like you are condemning me

to a slow and painful death

and I will do all in my power
to make it different.

I'm not condemning you at all.

I am not responsible for the fact
that you had a stroke.

Let me ask you a counter question.

If, as a result of your campaigning
to change the law,

another person dies
who shouldn't have died,

you're responsible for that death,
is that true?

What you say is ridiculous
and I wish I could speak,

so that I could respond properly.

I think that's a little unfair,
Tony.

I'm sorry that you find it
ridiculous, because I don't.

These fears are real,
they're genuine,

and it's a pity to be dismissed
as ridiculous.

'People fear that if we got
the murder laws changed,'

all of a sudden,
anyone with a slight disability

could walk into a doctor's surgery,

ask for a lethal injection
and be done with it.

Absolutely not true.

'I mean, that's just ridiculous.'

This would only be for people
that are so physically disabled

that they cannot do it themselves

and they cannot even do it
with help.

It won't just be a case of saying,
"Right, I want to die,

"come and give me a lethal dose
of something,"

there will be a long process
to go through

to get approval from the courts
for it to be done.

Alec Hutchins is providing evidence
at the Nicklinson hearing.

He is giving personal testimony,

based on his experience
with his daughter, Carol,

who had advanced multiple sclerosis.

I think this...this is the very spot

where she pulled her wheelchair in

close up against this rail,

raised the chair to
its highest position,

raised the arm, undid the lap strap

and rolled over into
this Kennet and Avon canal.

This is only the second time
I've been here.

And I just...

just trying to get used to the fact
that this is where she ended it all.

Had assisted suicide been an option,

it definitely would have been
a more dignified way to go

than throwing yourself
into this river.

I understand that your daughter
suffered unnecessarily,

but if the law was different,
she would have had a better death?

That's right, Tony. She would.

She could have planned all her
financial side of it.

She could have said goodbye
to her friends,

she could have said goodbye
to her family,

we could have been there with her.

It would still have been hard for
the family to say goodbye to her,

but the alternative that she chose,

to throw herself into the canal...

..that's a horrendous way to die.

I don't know how
she found the courage to do that.

But she did.

Do you think my circumstances
justifying somebody else killing me?

Yes, I think probably you could
justify somebody else killing you...

..if you can't do it yourself.

But that's going to take
a big change in the law to do that.

If we fail, Tony's only option,
really, is to starve himself.

God.

But it takes a long time to do that.

And it wouldn't be pleasant.

< I know, I know.

You don't know my care arrangements,

but in general, do you think

that better care and more of it
is the answer?

No.

Tony, I think you're receiving
the maximum care that you can have.

I can't imagine anybody
could be more caring than your wife.

Sorry. Pleased to meet you.

I really do hope you're successful.

Bye.

Tomorrow, Tony and his family
will finally have their case heard

in the High Court.

Three judges will decide

whether someone can kill Tony
without being charged with murder.

If they agree, it will set
a landmark precedent

that could start Britain on the road
to legalised voluntary euthanasia.

While the Nicklinsons
await the judgement,

they've had some words of support

from the Greek doctor who saved
Tony's life seven years ago.

Death is more normal

than to stay alive
in this condition.

So when I was informed
that he was still alive,

I was surprised and...

sad also, because I...

..well, I wouldn't...

..I wouldn't like,
even for my worst enemy,

to stay alive in this condition
for so many years.

I think that we owe him.

He is paying for our mistakes,
in a way.

We have not done medical mistakes,
but...

it is a mistake that he survived.

When it does happen,
it will be horrible

but then we've been thinking
about it for so long now,

to an extent, I've already lost him.

I think it will be worse
if we don't get this

and we've all got to accept
the fact that he's got 30 years

of a really horrible life
ahead of him, locked in.

I hope he gets the outcome
that he wants.

Not for my sake
or anyone else's, but for his.

He might not even want to use it,
in the end.

He just wants the choice.

But I definitely do hope

that he gets the outcome
that we're fighting for.

It's the Nicklinsons
against the world, I'll tell you.

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