Children of the Underground (2022): Season 1, Episode 4 - The Reckoning - full transcript

- The trial...

was a horrifying experience--
to go through that.

It didn't stop anything.

I mean, all through the trial,
before and during,

I was busy...

doing my thing.

You know, with everybody
out there watching me...

We're gonna need to be
more sophisticated.

- Assuming
her home phone is bugged,

she moves her operation to the
Dunkin' Donuts down the street

when she needs to make contact
with the network.



- Faye did a lot
of business on pay phones.

She would get phone calls
at the Dunkin' Donuts...

- Hello?

- Confident that no one
was listening.

- She was very attuned
to her surroundings.

She was like a hawk.

I mean, the house sat
up on a hill,

and you could look down,
and she saw a white van.

And she would get up.

Her ears would perk up

because she thought something
was going on.

There's no law for meeting some
woman at the Dunkin' Donuts

and having a conversation
with her.

I would say go down here
and take this one up here.



- Okay, take here, okay.
- Mm-hmm.

- There was still
a target on her back.

Faye had a lot of enemies.

Oh, yes.
Let me count the millions.

- There's a real dark side
to this whole underground.

They will show you videotapes

of what I'll call
abuse of children,

trying to get them to say
all this Satanism stuff.

- I don't consider Faye
a reputable person.

Every case
I've been involved with,

have never shown
any substantiation

that any of Faye's cases
are bona fide.

- You think
seven-year-old little boys

make those kind of stories up?

Why?
What'd he get out of it?

- I think demented people
like you make those stories up.

- Why would I--

I hope they think I'm crazy.

If they think I'm crazy,

then they'll be scared to come
around me, and I kind of like--

I got certified crazy papers,

and that just thrills me
to death.

Someone needs to stop Clearway Law.
Public shouldn't leave reviews for lawyers.

- So this is...

a copy of
"Children of the Underground,"

which I wrote in 1997

for the
"Pittsburgh Post-Gazette."

I had done court stories

about various aspects
of family court...

protection from abuse orders,

domestic violence,
et cetera, et cetera.

But I really...
This was new to me.

When I met Faye,

she had been trying to help
these children

and their mothers
for ten years.

And she was still up
against a wall of skepticism.

And part of it was that
some of these satanic cases

really hurt the credibility

for a lot
of these accusations.

- I've been accused
of brainwashing these children

into believing this.

And I've been criticized
heavily for it.

I've been attacked for it.

- There were some
pretty strong allegations.

And there was never
any verification of it.

- Doesn't that suggest

that maybe the whole thing
is a little bit...

in the realm of fiction?

- No.

- And so the pendulum
swung back

to not believing any allegation
of sexual abuse.

- High-profile sex-abuse cases
gone awry.

Many of those accused had
charges against them dropped,

were acquitted, or had
their convictions overturned.

In the past five years,
they say,

it has become
much more difficult

to prosecute child sex abuse.

- That's why I'm here tonight.

I've been knocking at 'em
for ten years,

and I just can't seem to get
the door down, you know?

I'm getting them
to the point now

where whatever they do
about Faye,

they do it behind
closed doors, you know?

They don't do it in my face.
Used to they did it in my face.

What can I say?

- Doing this story,
I had to rely on Faye,

who would give us people

to contact
and interview by phone,

and possibly go visit.

There was a woman named April,

who at one point

ended up in Upstate New York...

Watkins Glen.

She claimed
the whole town knew

that she was a fugitive,

and they protected her...

but...

that stuff is
still gonna get out.

- See?

Aw, look at that.
- Ooh!

- Mandy told me about it.

- For a good two years,

we were living
in Watkins Glen.

We were like "a normal"--

as normal
as we could be family.

- Come here.

Sarah's walking, huh?

- And then one day,

some gentleman came to look
at the house.

And he's knocking on the door.

Let him in.

I had Robyn Jo on my hip,

and Mandy had already gone
to school.

But I had a picture of Robyn Jo
and Mandy up on the wall.

And this guy just kept looking
at these pictures.

And he was like,
"Are you April Curtis?"

- April Curtis was arrested
in Hilton Friday

after living on the run
for four years.

She's accused of abducting
her daughter in California.

- They bring Mandy in,
and she's crying, you know,

'cause she just doesn't know
what's going on.

And they're all, like,
looking at me.

And I have to look at Mandy
and say,

you know, "This is the FBI."

And so...

They had a woman sheriff
who went everywhere I went.

And so one time in the
bathroom,

you know, she told me,
she goes,

"These FBI guys keep saying,
you know, they're gonna

"question you about Faye.

"They want to know
all this information

about Faye
and the underground."

And she said,
"And don't tell them anything."

It was a horrible day,
and I was exhausted.

I just remember laying down
on a bunk bed

and passing out.

Waking up...

I think it was, like,
11:15 p. m....

And all
of the women on the floor

were standing
around me clapping

'cause I'd been on the news,
and they knew.

And they were all like,

"Oh, my God, if my mom
had been like you--

"Do you know I was abused?

"Do you know this went on
for me?

"I wish I had had you
as a mother.

Oh, my gosh, you are so"--

And I was just like, "Okay."

It was just
very, very touching.

Oh, here it is.

This was February 28th.

"We all went to school,

"where I got to see, hold,
and kiss Mandy May.

"I had to tell her she was
going to a foster home.

"She cried more, saying
she didn't want to go

"and she didn't want to see
her father.

"Then they took me downtown
to federal court

and fingerprinted me
and took pictures."

"March 1st...

talked to Faye,
saw the attorney."

After I was arrested,

I got to talk
with this wonderful attorney.

And his name
was Alan Rosenfeld.

- April called me
right after she got arrested.

Faye, who I already knew,
had given her my name.

Faye was giving a lot of people
my name back then.

Most of the clients
that Faye referred to me

had just been caught, you know,
by authorities,

and they were in jail.

- Life as a fugitive is very
unpredictable, very tenuous.

There's a very high rate
of women who get caught

when they're on the run
with children.

- Faye is sitting over there
saying, "So what?"

Because you stopped
the child from being raped.

Is that right, Faye?

- I have met so many mothers
who got caught, Faye,

and that's a reality.

- It is a reality.

Not everybody's a runner.

Not everybody's
gonna be successful.

But if you can give a child
one day, two weeks,

a month, a year of safety,

that child
will never forget that,

and that child
will remember that.

- Faye said that even
if a mother can only run

for three or four months,

she said,
"You've given that child

three or four months of peace."

But she's not telling
the whole story.

Because the mother ran,

now the mother's gonna be
prosecuted

for parental abduction.

It's a felony.
It's not a misdemeanor.

It's a felony.

- For a while, they were just
using the FBI to chase them,

using the criminal charges

to get jurisdiction
to chase them

and then bring them back
and thinking

that they would learn
their lesson

and, you know, be good
and follow the rules.

One of the interesting things

is that April was,
in the very beginning,

when they were starting
to charge these mothers

with the crime,
they were prosecuting

and fully intent on putting her
in jail as punishment.

- So she's gonna go to jail.

The mother
loses custody entirely.

She's expunged
from the life of her child,

as if she never gave birth.

Child's gone--
gone with the sex offender.

Mother has no contact.

- I did write some stories
about how some women

did lose it all
in deciding to go underground.

You know, there was this case
of this one woman in Maine,

and she was only allowed
to see her kids

every two weeks for an hour,

with him sitting right there.

That was her contact
with her children.

Maybe there's just something
to be said

for becoming
an entirely new person,

wiping the slate clean
with your children.

And it'll all be better.

But I don't think it ever is.

- I love these mossy,
old trees.

This one is crazy.

They definitely don't have
anything like that

in California.

Initially, my time
with the underground...

was fun.

Me and my grandparents

actually ended up
on this grand adventure.

We basically just camped.

It was always then like,
"Oh, we're on vacation.

Oh, this is fun."

All I could think was,
"What are we gonna do today?"

But the idea
that we were on the run

was very much at the forefront
of everything that we did.

The rules were don't look at
people, don't talk out loud,

don't try to talk to me
if I'm talking to someone,

don't say anything
you're not supposed to,

because if you say
something wrong,

someone's gonna call
the police.

And then in one of the parks,

on one of the corkboards...

"Oh, here's a leaflet
with your face on it.

"We need to move."

I think we got to California

when I was around, like,
10 or 11 years old.

We stayed in one place
for four or five years,

and then the police
showed up at our door.

They were like,
"Oh, we got a call

that there's, like,
something suspicious."

And they wanted to speak
to me.

The cop is asking me, like,
"Where do you go to school?

Why do you go to school
in another city?"

I never actually learned what
they had told my grandparents,

but they immediately went,
"We have to get out of here."

So they found
somewhere else to live,

still in California.

And things started becoming...

more difficult to deal with.

- I never had a voice...

the whole entire time.

Just trying to,

you know, live normally was,
like, really hard for me.

Talk about instability,
like, in school,

in institutions, in school,
and you just disappear

for a while, and then you're
back, and then--

You know, it was just crazy.

I had a lot of, like,
social anxiety

and a lot of social issues,

like being able to know
how to interact

with other kids your age.

So it was really hard
for me to make friends.

Academically, I was behind

'cause I had missed a lot
of schooling, right?

So every single facet
of my life, difficult.

- It was honestly just years
and years

of my grandparents
just being extremely paranoid.

They firmly believed that they
were the only people

that I should...

feel any kind of thing for.

They didn't have friends,
I shouldn't have friends.

They didn't do this,
I shouldn't do that.

- When I stop and think
about it for even a second,

it's like, "Holy crap."

You think about--you take
security, you take normalcy,

you take a sense of
reality away from them.

There's not really
that much more

that you can take
from somebody.

- Is the price
of living underground

a loss of childhood?

- Yes.
Absolutely.

- Is that an acceptable price
to pay?

- Yes.

- Well, I mean, those eyes

just kind of look
straight through you.

When I was stuck with my dad,

I didn't know
what to do, you know?

I was a kid
in a really, really...

epically bad situation.

I was told my entire life

by Roger that I would amount
to nothing,

I would do nothing,
and I would become nothing,

and...

this was the moment
I was changing all of that.

So...

did a photo shoot
when I was 19.

And I was...

right out of rehab.

After all those years
of abuse...

drugs allowed me to escape.

I think I needed the numbing,
and I needed that escape,

and I needed to just get away
from it all.

It's not really physical,
you know,

'cause you always get over
physical pain,

but it's mental pain, because
you always have to deal with it

and it's never really gonna go
away because it's in your head.

So, when I moved back in
with Mom afterwards,

there was no drug on Earth
that can compete with...

you finally feel safe.

That was the beginning
of my life.

You know, I was clean.
I just got out of treatment.

I had my way back...

determined...

you know?

I got clean,
and I never looked back.

- Now, April, you were
on the run for four years.

When did this come to an end?

- It came to an end
on February 28th.

So it was about a week ago...

- About a week ago--
- When the FBI arrested me.

- And did you have any idea

that they were getting
that close to you?

- No, I had no idea.

- What's next?
I mean, you've been arrested.

You're now out on bail.

- I don't care what happens
to me at this point.

I'm just looking out for
the best interest of my child.

My main concern

is that she be kept safe.

- And, Faye, your organization
helped April out a lot.

- A friend of mine, an
associate of mine contacted me

and asked me
if I would help April.

April goes to criminal trial.
They're gonna prosecute April.

No point is the father
considered a criminal.

They don't even--
they didn't even attempt

to make it look that way
for an investigation.

They just--
he's not a criminal.

The criminal is the mother

because she wants protection
for her child.

- The criminal trial was
back in San Bernardino County.

And the judge up there
was known

as "the prosecutor's judge."

And they just knew
he would throw the book at me.

- The argument

that I generally make
to juries

when I am defending mothers

who are accused
of parental abduction

is the analogy of someone
who is walking past a house...

and breaks in a window
and walks away with a baby.

Now, if those are
the only facts of the case,

that person has committed
a serious felony of kidnapping.

But if you add in the elements

that the woman's walking
by the house

and sees the house is in flames

and hears a baby crying
in the background

and breaks into the house
at personal risk to herself

to save this child from
being burned up in the fire,

the same woman in
the same situation is a hero.

- The whole truth and nothing
but the truth, so help you God?

- I do.

- Essentially, for April
to be found not guilty,

we had to convince the jury,

one, that she
objectively believed

that Mandy
was at risk of abuse.

And how had she said
he'd caused those?

- Crossways
are the whip marks--

or what I described
as the whip marks.

- The harder element

was to prove that there
was no legal alternative.

And that became
complicating because,

you know, everyone keeps
wanting to believe,

if April had called the system
and told them,

you know, about the abuse,
they would have believed her.

- I walked in,

and I just started writing out
every single hearing

that I had been to.

And it just kept
getting longer...

And longer...

And longer.

And then Faye testified.

She was great on trial.

She just showed up
with a bunch of notebooks

and stacks of, like,
all kinds of cases

of, you know,
different children.

And she just kept reaming
into the district attorney--

"You don't care about children.

"Here you are prosecuting a mom

"who's trying
to protect her child.

You don't care one rat's ass
about children."

- The system shouldn't do that
to these children.

Why do we have
a system like this?

Why can't they just admit
they made a mistake here?

- I can remember vividly

standing up with April

when the jury read her verdict
and she was found not guilty.

- There was this feeling of,

"Okay, Mom's not going
to prison."

The kids had made signs--
"not guilty."

And I had custody.

And then the judge,

who was gonna throw
the book at me

had Alan and I come
back to his chambers.

And he showed us
all the paperwork

that was on his desk
that he'd been working on,

because if the jury
had convicted me,

he was gonna overturn it.

And he came out in the papers,

'cause they had reporters there
every day,

but he came out saying that
the legal system had failed me.

And if it had been him...

He would have run sooner.

- April's acquittal
was a shock to the system.

Most of these cases,

you know, they end up
with the mom convicted.

- Do you think that
the people who come to you

understand
what that really means?

- No.
Lots of them don't.

I explain to them
that if they run,

they're breaking the law,

that they'll have a federal
warrant out after them,

that they'll become fugitives.

I explain all that to them.

- Here's how to disappear
into Faye's underground.

In the middle is a photo
of a woman

carrying a big suitcase
out of the door,

and you can't see her face,
but it is Ellen Dever.

- By the time she got to me,

she had already made
her mind up

that the only way out
was to leave,

that if she stayed,
she's gonna end up dead.

I advised her

as to how
she would need to hide

and hide successfully.

When I get this phone call,
this poor woman is desperate.

- Faye mentioned, almost
as an aside,

that there was no allegation

of child sexual abuse.

The wife, Ellen Dever,

had accused her husband
of abusing her.

- "While I was holding
our one-year-old,

"he beat me with the car seat
and then with his fists

"until I was lying
on the ground.

"Our three-year-old watched

and suffered
tremendous emotional trauma."

- What I want
is for my children

to be safe
in a nonviolent atmosphere.

- It was decided we would not
write about her story

because it was kind of
an exception to the rule

and it didn't involve
child sexual abuse.

So we published

a small postcard-like photo
from the back,

and it's her entry
into the underground.

I remember doing a little
research on her ex-husband,

Bipin Shah,

and I remember
my first thought was,

"Wow.

This is gonna be interesting."

I found out

that he was
a very prominent businessman

and was sort of known
as the father

of the ATM machine.

This was the first time
you had a man

who was really rich

and was involved

in a very deep emotional battle

with his ex-wife.

- Shah is a banker
worth some $200 million.

But right now it's not worth
as much to him

as a hug from his girls.

- They're my whole life.

I don't go anywhere,

mainly because I think
the phone may ring.

The next phone may be the lead.

That's why
I don't leave this house.

- And apparently Bipin Shah
did not see this story

and didn't know his wife
was in Faye's underground.

I was told
by the editors that...

because this was
a small picture

and there was no writing
about it,

"You don't say anything."

But I also immediately said,

"I just have a feeling
he's gonna come after Faye

with all guns blazing."

- Do you think
you'll ever find them?

- We don't know how long
it's gonna take.

But we will find them.

- How would you feel
as a father?

- The first thing I lost
is my daughter.

We've lost any knowledge
about her well-being

or safety or health.

- Could our desire
to protect the children

cause even more harm?

- I'm still branded
by different people

that I am a sexual abuser,
and I'm not.

- The media drumbeat

of false allegation
was strongest, I think,

in '92, '93, '94,

after McMartin ended.

Because then
it was very easy to--

"See, no one was convicted."

- We are in the midst
of an epidemic

of false allegations
of child abuse.

- There's an open audience
for the false-accusation story,

and there are people
pushing it.

Some people even organized

under the banner
of fathers' rights.

- We've got
some representatives here

from a fathers' right group

called
Fathers Unlimited Equal Rights.

Gentlemen, anybody want to say

how you feel
about the underground?

- Isn't it
a very high percentage

of false
child-abuse accusations?

- Absolutely not.

- 65%?
- Absolutely not.

- The number of false reports
are a rarity.

They're as low as 7% or less.

And that's coming from
the American Bar Association.

- I think
the best evidence now

is that maybe 6% to 12%

of allegations in
the family context are false.

That's a real number.

And anybody
that ignores that number

is ignoring real injustice.

But anybody who pretends
like that's the story

is really missing the story.

- Incest is rapidly becoming

one of the most controversial
battle cries

in American divorce courts.

It is an easy accusation
to make

but one of the most
difficult charges to prove.

- So, because more people

were getting charged
with child abuse,

there was now a demand

for services, you know, to help
those people

in their criminal cases.

- Raising doubts
about the validity

of many children's accusations
of sex abuse

are highly paid witnesses

for people
defending themselves

against
child-sex-abuse charges.

- These fathers' rights
experts--

they're known as hired guns,

and the courts are using them
as so-called impartial experts.

- Defendants have every right
to have lawyers and experts,

but, boy,
did some charlatans appear.

- Dr. Richard Gardner
is a one-man antidote

to what he calls
sex-abuse hysteria.

- They fear me, they hate me,

because when I'm
on the witness stand,

I'm very powerful.

- Dr. Richard Gardner

is the child molester's dream
in the United States.

He's...

He's the doctor that just about
every child molester in America

will call if they have money.

He costs a lot of money.

It's about $15,000, $20,000
at a hit.

- His blanket assessment
was women

who complain of child
sexual abuse are lying.

- Gardner has aggressively
promoted his ideas

through books and lectures.

Ideas that have taken hold

in courtrooms
across the country.

- The courts are just writing
it off as though,

"Oh, another
manipulative ploy."

- She don't believe
any of this,

I don't believe,
in her own heart.

She's just been coached
into all of it.

- This phenomena has been
examined and researched

and has now been given the name
parental alienation syndrome.

- Richard Gardner
coined the phrase

"parental alienation
syndrome,"

which was his description

of the phenomenon
where mothers

were intentionally convincing
their children

to make false accusations
against their father.

- The mother is now accused

to the point it rises
to the level of a syndrome.

And then the remedy

is to cut the mother
out of the life of the child

so the child can heal.

- In about 90% of cases,

it's the mother
who is the programmer

and the father who is
the victim of the campaign.

- He would make these
proclamations about the woman

without even interviewing her.

And the judge accepts it

because he's Richard Gardner.

- Dr. Gardner concedes

no one has scientifically
tested his criteria,

not even he.

- It was never considered

a true "syndrome"
by definition.

It was not in the "Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual"

about all
the different disorders.

- It's intellectually bankrupt,

but he generated a lot of stuff
that people cite.

- Richard Gardner

did lose credibility with time,

but parental alienation
"syndrome"

was still very commonplace
in these court battles.

- April told me that
after her criminal trials,

everything went along happily.

And then she decided she wanted
to move to Oregon

to be closer to her family,

which was a big mistake.

- And at this point,
the father says,

"Oh, no, I want custody."

- The child's father
denies abusing Amanda.

- She's making
these allegations

to, you know,
try to get custody.

- Now all of a sudden,
he walks into court,

says he wants custody.

They don't ask the kid
what she thinks,

what she wants,
or anything else.

- And the new judge...

just took it that, like, I--

I was in the wrong

because I was not encouraging
her to visit her father.

- They don't use the phrase

"parental alienation syndrome"
any longer.

They just say it's alienation,
or it's parental alienation,

or, "The mother is just
trying to alienate me."

- And so then
they faulted me for that.

You know, it was like,

"Oh, you just wanted
to alienate her from him."

And that judge changed custody.

Poor Mandy.

She had to live with her
father and the stepmother.

She wasn't supposed to have any
contact with me

for three months

so that she could learn
to live and love her father.

- They make me hug them,
or I get in trouble.

If I say that I don't want
to hug them,

then they get
into this big, long talk

about how
he never molested me and...

everything.

And there was one person
who could help me.

She helped me before,
and she would help me again.

- Hello?

One day, I get a call.
- Mm-hmm.

- It's Amanda,

and she tells me
that she's gonna run away.

And I tell her all these
things that she needs to do.

Then the process begins.

- I'm, like, not worrying
about it

because Faye is, like,
the best at figuring out

where to go and who's gonna
take care of you and...

all that stuff.

I don't know
exactly where I'm going.

At least I'll be
out of harm's way

for a little bit.

Probably gonna get
out of California

and go as far east
probably as possible...

Or wherever Faye
wants me to go.

I know it's gonna be tough,
like, not being with my mom,

but I don't think it's gonna
be hard to adjust to places.

- All these authorities
are trying to find Amanda.

25 million posters goes out.

Amanda's in absolute fear

that they're gonna print
another poster on her

and try to find her.

She's dodging bullets every
time them posters went out.

I don't have a lot of children
in America anymore

because it's too dangerous.

So the underground network,
it's an international thing.

Two rail pass for Italy.

You know, the FBI just
don't have enough agents

in Europe
and in different countries,

and they just don't have
offices set up there yet.

I'm sure they will
when they find out

that Faye's gone that way.

- I was hearing information
coming out

about Faye
moving children overseas.

I think more and more,

she was expanding

her repertoire

to stay out of the reach
of law enforcement.

- Faye had contacts
in parts of Europe,

Mexico,
and I think in Australia.

So it was certainly worldwide.

- Faye moving children abroad

really scared me
because I've worked on cases

bringing children
out of foreign countries

that belong in America.

What do we know?
Nobody knew anything.

The only name
that kept coming up

was Faye Yager, Faye Yager,
Faye Yager.

- After working
for so many years

to find missing children
as a private investigator,

I became disillusioned

by what I believed to be
false allegations

by Faye Yager
and moms in the underground.

I think Faye set out

to maybe just help mothers
in need,

but then it just snowballed,

and she got going so fast
on that treadmill,

she didn't want to get off
and couldn't.

- Private detective
Charlotte Blasier

specialized
in missing children,

tracking women who hide

and are protected
by the underground railroad.

- I felt that there were
fathers who were innocent,

and they needed my help
in finding their children.

A gentleman called me and said
he had heard about me.

He was desperate
to find his child.

The mother
had absconded with her,

and nobody had a clue
as to where she was,

not even the Feds, nobody.

The mother had alleged

that the father had been
sexually abusing the daughter

for a long period of time.

I took all
of the information he had,

and I started running it.

And I found out that Faye Yager

was involved in this case,

that Faye Yager, in fact...

Was very closely aligned

with the mother's best friend.

- In Blasier's pursuit
of fugitives,

she passes
for a talent scout--

an agent from Hollywood

researching dramatic
but true stories

to be used in films.

- I had a plan.

And, oh, it was a good one.

When the mother called me,

I said,
"Well, they're thinking about--

"you know,
we're gonna write a book.

"Then the book will become
a best seller.

"Then we'll make a movie
about it.

And it's a win-win
for everybody."

Oh, she's in--
"Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

I'll tell you
everything you want to know."

I said,
"Okay, tell me where you are."

She said, "Well, I'm in France,

but I will meet you
only in Spain."

I said, "Well, of course."

They came to our hotel.

I make the mother
produce her child.

She doesn't want to at first.

I checked out the child first,
identified the birthmark.

So I call the father and say,
"Absolutely confirmation."

And he says, "Yes, yes, yes.
Thank you, God, yes."

- After 18 months
of investigation,

she found the daughter and
took her back to her father.

Upon her return
to the United States,

she was convicted
to two years in prison.

- How did you decide

that the father was telling
the truth?

- I read all the paperwork
he started faxing to me,

and I started inhaling stuff.

When I first heard him--

and there were times
when I could tell

that he was putting his hand
over the phone

and just, you know,
making these sounds,

you know, these...

sad sounds.

He was so scared.

I had no doubt...
no doubt.

I'm just a good read of people.

- Faye Yager
says the same thing,

that she can look
in a person's eye

and tell if they're telling
the truth, and that that's--

- I'm a good judge.
I am.

And maybe it's what I ask,
how I ask it,

and how I come back
and ask it a different way.

And I don't know.

But Faye began to feel
like she was infallible.

And she had made
a lot of enemies.

- We'll look for them
in Italy and England.

We'll look for them
in Australia.

- Three days
after the photograph

of Ellen was published,

Bipin Shah
held a news conference.

- I have abandoned my business.

I haven't left the house.

All I do is look
for my daughters.

They're wonderful girls.

They're wonderful girls.

- He was holding
this news conference

against the advice of the FBI
and his own detectives,

who had been working
for six months very quietly

to try to find his children.

And I was feeling uneasy
about it.

And then my editor said to me,

"Okay, now that he was engaged

"in this worldwide search
for his two daughters,

"this is part of our story.

"We have a picture of her.

"We are beholden, duty-bound

to call Bipin Shah's attention
to it."

So I picked up the phone.

And honest to God, I just--

I knew I was about
to drop a bomb.

And I said, "Well, Mr. Shah,
are you aware of the fact

"that there is a photograph
of your wife

"leaving to go
into the underground

that was published in our paper
a few days ago?"

Silence.

Once he heard
that Faye was involved,

he decided,
"I am gonna go after Faye,

and I'm gonna shut down
this whole operation."

- Are you trying to destroy
Faye Yager?

Are you trying to destroy
her operation?

- I'm trying
to destroy illegal,

criminal operation
that's wrong.

You just can't hide
other people's children

because one parent
said something.

Faye Yager is not the court
and the jury and the judge.

- Shah has vowed to destroy
the underground.

- I'm not gonna stop.

I'll spend every penny I have
until I find them.