Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 8, Episode 23 - Jake & Taylor - full transcript

- Jake is TikTok famous,
and he meets Taylor.

- To have someone, like,
actually, like, care...

she just seems to, like,
really like me.

- This girl has her teeth
sunk into him.

- There's hundreds
of Taylor Hollands.

We're never gonna find
this girl.

Like a needle in a haystack.

- There's three people
in the car.

- Holy...

Someone's definitely
coming towards us.

[tense music]



[dramatic musical sting]

- Did you hear
about the broom situation?

On Twitter yesterday,
it was trending

that you can make a broom
stand up straight

without having to do anything.

- Should we try it?
- Yes.

- Give me two minutes
to find a broom.

All right, I think
this should do it, so...

- I'm so nervous!

Don't stop trying.
[laughs]

- Might happen, might happen.

- [gasps]
- [laughs]

- See? Go, dude!
- [yells]

- Whoa!
- This is what I'm saying!



Isn't it crazy?
This is cool.

- Oh!
[both yell]

[laughter]

- Anyway, now that
we've balanced brooms...

- Let's do it.

- TikTok?
- I have a TikTok message?

- Whoa.

- My name is Jake.
I'm 18.

- He's cute.

- Nashville, Tennessee.

- Basically, I met this girl
named Taylor online

when she slid in my DMs.

She told me
we met at a convention,

but I don't remember her
at all.

She was really beautiful.

- ♪ I'm losing my view ♪

We started talking, like,

she was just really,
really nice.

She seemed to really
care about me,

which I don't get a lot of
sometimes in this business.

- ♪ I need something
to believe in ♪

- But there's been
a couple things

that's, like, really weird
about the relationship.

First off, when we FaceTime,

she'd always
show a black screen.

Really weird.

She told me she was gonna
come from Louisiana

to, like, meet me, and I was
really excited about that.

But then she was here for,
like, two weeks

and completely ghosted me.

Like, drove past my house.
It was really weird.

And a couple weeks ago,
my friend Emily told me

she's a catfish
and I should drop her.

- ♪ I need something
to believe in ♪

- So I don't know.

- ♪ I need something that can
keep me holding on ♪

- So I just wanna know
for sure, you know?

So, yeah.
Just hit me up on Skype.

It'd be really helpful.
Thanks so much.

- ♪ Something to believe in ♪

- Oh, my God, he has
400,000 TikTok followers.

- I do have a lot of dances
I wanna learn, so...

[laughs]

The TikTok children
are winning,

and I wanna be a part of that.

- All right, let's call Jake.
Okay.

[Skype ringing]

- Yo, what's up?
- Oh, hey!

- How are you?
- He's walking.

He know how to make
engaging video content.

Look at him.
Now he's in his car.

- Content creation.

- [laughs]

- I wanna know a little bit
more about this TikTok.

Are you actually
making money right now?

- As of right now,
the platform only is able to

give their creators money
through donations.

- Oh.

- But then I'll post, like,
a specific amount of videos

including a product,

and I'll get a certain
amount of money for it.

- So you've done that?
- Yeah, I have, yeah.

- So, wait, okay.
So tell us about this girl.

Like, are you guys dating?
Is she your girlfriend?

- Kind of.

With long-distance stuff,

I really only would have
a relationship with someone

if I'd actually met in person.

- Did you say you met her
through TikTok?

- Through Instagram.
- She DM'd you.

- Yes.

She mentioned a convention
that she met me at.

She brought up money
almost immediately.

Like, she wanted to
give me money, like, $5.

- For what?
Sorry, no offense.

- Yeah.

- So what'd you say to that?

- I said no.
[laughs]

- You did?
- I thought it was we--

I thought it was really weird.

- So has she brought that up
again since?

- Yeah, she's brought it up
a lot, actually, yeah.

- Huh.
And have you

subsequently let her
send you money?

- Not necessarily let her.

But, like, I'll wake up,

and I'll have, like,
$75 on my account.

- Weird.
That's crazy.

All right, so tell us a little
bit more about Taylor.

- She is 24.

It's, like, she's really
caring and she gets me.

And she's just nice,
and she doesn't try to use me

for, like, my "clout,"
I guess,

which I get a lot of.
- I'm sure.

- What's her deal?
Where does she live?

- She lives in Louisiana.
- Okay.

- But she was in Nashville

and made no plans
to come and see you?

- Oh, no, we made plans.

She just kept, like,
ghosting me.

And then a friend of mine,
Emily,

told me that
she was a catfish.

- Weird.
- Is she a TikToker too?

- Yes, yeah.

- Oh, wait, so you don't know
Emily in person?

- I've met her in person.
I met Emily at the convention.

- Oh, that was
the same convention

you supposedly met Taylor at?

- Yes.
- Interesting.

- Now I'm intrigued.

- Do you think you are falling
in love with this girl?

- If she is
who she says she is,

then I'd like to pursue
a relationship with her.

- All right.
So, look.

We'll come down to Nashville
and we'll meet you.

- Okay.
- And we'll figure this out.

- All right, it's on.
Goodbye.

- Later, Jake.
- Bye.

- He seems sweet.
- He does seem sweet.

He seems like
the hopeless romantic type.

- Right.
- You guys will get along.

- [laughs softly]
- [chuckles]

- All right, well,
Nashville, here we come.

- ♪ Whoa-oh-whoa-oh,
whoa-oh-whoa-oh ♪

- My sensors are up...

- About Jake?
- From the start.

I don't know, the whole thing.

- Well, I wonder what part of
the story he's left out.

I want the tea.

- Ooh, he lives in this
fancy little community here.

Here it is.

- Hey! Hey!
- ♪ Whoa-oh-whoa-oh ♪

[upbeat music]

- MTV Cribs.

[knocking on door]

- Hi.
- Hello.

- Hi!
- How are you?

- Oh, my God,
the whole family's here.

- What's up?
- I'm Jeff, how you doing?

- All right.
Nev and Kamie.

- Nice to meet you.
- Hi, my name's Dawn,

and this is Elizabeth.
- Nice to--

- Come on in!
- Come on in, guys, come on in.

- Beautiful home.
- Where's Jake?

- He's upstairs.
- Oh.

- Jake!
- Hey!

- Hi.
- What's up?

- You're grounded.
- Oh, no.

- Just kidding.
- Damn.

- Nice to meet you.
I'm Kamie.

- Nice to meet you too.

- This is Nev.
- Nice to meet you.

- So we are gonna
get out of your hair.

Nice to meet you.
It was nice to meet you.

- Wait, show us your room.

I wanna see
how a TikToker lives.

- Oh, okay.
Alexa, hello.

Here it is.

- This is where
the magic happens.

- The TikTok stand.
- The office.

- The blue button right there,
yeah.

- Make your magic.
- Yeah, give me--

- Wait, let's--I don't know.
- Renegade, renegade.

This isn't the fame
that we're looking for.

- No, I don't think
you're material.

Sorry, man.
- No, I missed that boat.

- Yeah.
[laughs]

- All right, well,
let's get down to business.

- This is lovely.

- Tell us how it all started
with a little bit more detail,

'cause we kinda skimmed through
a lot of it.

- Taylor slid into my DMs
on Instagram.

She said she met me
at a social media convention,

about--probably a week earlier.

She's all like,
"Hey, you're cute."

And she immediately started
offering up,

like, little bits of money.

- In the first message?

- In, like--the probably
the first five minutes, yeah.

- Okay.

- And I was like,
"I don't know what to--

- Anyone ever said that
to you before?

- No, I went through her page
and thought

like, she's
an attractive person.

She seemed really nice.

And so I got her number and
we started talking from there.

- Right.

- And then she told me she's
gonna come down here to see me.

She's like,
"Okay, I'm coming."

I wait for about
probably two hours.

I get a text saying,
"Your house is massive."

I was like, "Wait,
you drove past my house,

saw it, gave me a description,
and then left?"

I was like, "Why?

That makes absolutely
no sense."

- Well, that's what she says.
- Right.

- That's what she says, yes.

- When she left,
what did she say?

- "I'm going back
for Christmas."

- And weren't you like,
"We never hung out"?

- Yeah, I was like,
"What the crap?"

I was, like--
I was kinda pissed off.

- What happened?

- And then I spent all of
Christmas with my family.

I wasn't on my phone at all.
That night I get a call.

She is drunk.

She is screaming in the phone

and she's like, "I'm gonna
ruin your entire career."

- Wha--why?

- 'Cause I didn't talk to her
for, like, two days.

- Oh, my God.
What else was she saying?

- That she's gonna pay people
thousands of dollars

to expose me online.

- Expose you?
For what?

- Did she have any compromising
information to worry about?

- No.
- Okay, well, I don't know.

How did that resolve?

- Well, that night I told her,
I was like,

"I can't talk to you
for a couple days.

"I have to, like,
let this simmer down.

I have to be able to
trust you again."

And so a week later,

I texted her
and I was like, "Hey."

We start talking again.
- Hmm.

- Putting up with a lot.

I mean, what's so great
about this girl?

- For the last couple
of months,

I've dealt with
a lot of people, like,

trying to, like, kinda use me.

And so to have someone to,
like, actually, like, care,

and even though, like,
she can be overdramatic,

yeah, she just seems to, like,
really like me.

- She is taking
your time, though.

Have you talked to
any other girls

while you were talking to her?

- Not really, no.

- Are you guys saying,
"I love you"?

- Yeah, I mean, that's
the whole reason why she came

to Nashville in the first
place, so I can meet her.

- Okay.

Can I see Taylor?
- Mm-hmm, yeah.

- All right, so let's see.
Okay.

Taylor Holland.

- She's got the tits out.
- [laughs]

- Here's her face.

- Something tells me that
the girl whose face this is

isn't taking these body shots.

- That's true, 'cause there are
a lot of body shots

that don't have her face
in them.

- Mm-hmm.

- Someone's definitely cropped
out of that photo.

I don't know.
It's--yeah, it's a little sus.

Well, yeah, okay.

So what led you to finally,
like, reach out to us?

- Well, I met Emily
at the same convention

that Taylor said she met me at.
- Right.

- And--about three weeks ago,
I think,

she was like, "Wait,
Taylor's a total catfish."

- How did Emily find that?

- I believe one of her friends

told her who, like,
Taylor really was.

- But isn't that
a wild coincidence?

- Yeah.

- Unless Emily made the whole
thing up and she is Taylor.

- Like, it's weird.
It's real--

it's--it's suspicious,
it really is.

But I want it to be real,
you know?

You gotta--

- So you have very strong
feelings for her.

- Yeah.

- Enough to stay
in this relationship despite

the red flags
and the oddity of it all.

- Mm-hmm, yeah.

- All right, I wanna do
some research on Taylor.

Start investigating
first thing in the morning.

- Okay.

That was--
- All right, bud.

- It was good meeting you.
- Good to meet you.

See you.

- Here's what's really
the issue here.

He's sort of TikTok famous,

and he has no idea
who his real friends are,

so here's one person
who likes him for him.

But, like,
she won't let him go.

- I think he is afraid of her
a little bit.

- Yeah.

- This girl has her teeth
sunk into him.

- She's got him wrapped around
her finger for sure.

- Good morning.

[upbeat music]

Yo!
Wait.

Oh, my God, where is he?

Come out.
- [laughs]

- No, I don't like
being scared.

Nev?

- [yells]
- [screams]

[laughter]

Nev, I saw your arms
and I was like,

"That's a weird curtain."

[laughter]

- All right.
So Jake is 18.

He gets into TikTok
and meets Taylor,

a 24-year-old woman who hits
him up on Instagram and says,

"Hey, we met
at the convention."

- "You're cute."
- "You're so cute."

They start talking.

Then Jake's talking
to his friend Emily,

and mentions that he's been
talking to this girl Taylor.

And Emily says, "Wait a second.
Taylor Holland?

She's not real.
She's a catfish."

- What if Emily
actually is Taylor?

- Yeah, I think there is
a chance that Emily has been

trying to get Jake
to stop talking to her, right?

To, like, try to end it.
- Right.

- All right,
here's the email from Jake.

"She had the same number the
whole time we've been talking."

And it's 225 area code.

"Here is her Instagram account.

"I have also attached
some pictures of her.

"If you want to try
to get ahold of Emily,

here is her phone number."

So should we just do
a phone search?

[tense music]

Boom.
Hmm?

- Who?
- "Brig."

- 46.
- "Shady Lane"?

Do we need to look any further?

[laughter]

The catfish literally lives
on Shady Lane.

- I mean, I feel like that's
where all catfish should live.

- Ooh, but wait.
There's another result here.

Wait a second, there's three.

Israel comes up
as a possible person,

and also Troy [bleep].
- What?

- All right, so that's weird.

So we got a lot of random,
weird, different hits

on the phone number.

I think this is a dead end.
- Yeah.

- Getting a little warm.

I'm gonna take off
this sweater, guys.

- It's getting hot
on Shady Lane.

- Oof--heating up.
- [chuckles]

- All right, so hold on.
Let's download these pictures.

- This girl's gonna be, like,
a blogger that I follow.

- She looks like a blogger.

All right, so here, let's just
search a couple of these pics.

Hmm, no.

[suspenseful music]

No.

♪ ♪

Come on.

So that's not really
gonna be very helpful.

I guess we can do
a search on Facebook.

"Taylor Holland Louisiana."

A lot of--here's Missouri.
Nothing.

- It's weird that there are
so many Taylor Hollands

with no profile picture.
- Yeah, that is weird, right?

It looks like
Taylor Holland is a name

that a lot of people use
to make, like, empty profiles.

I've never seen this many.

And we're never gonna
find this girl.

It's like a needle
in a haystack.

We should reach out to Emily,
Jake's friend.

[line trilling]

- I'm sorry,
but the person you called

has a voicemail box...

- "Hey, Emily, this is Nev
from 'Catfish.'"

So let's assume
we don't hear from Emily.

I'm not sure
what else there is to do.

I mean, is there any way to
find out information

about "Taylor" based on
what Jake knows about her

using our current resources?

- Digital wanted poster.

- Yes!

- You take Twitter.
- I'll do Twitter.

- I'll take Insta Stories.
- You can do Insta Stories.

"Does anyone know
who this woman is?

Please @ her."

I'm saying, "Any of my blogger
girls follow this beauty?

Send me her @!"
It works.

- All right, I'm gonna do it.

- Done.

- I mean, I think we should
find out pretty fast

- Yeah.
This is exciting.

I like this.

- This is how we shou--I know.
- We should do this more.

- Hold on a second,
I'm getting a lot--

I'm getting--
- You getting hits?

- I'm getting activity,
it's just--

I don't have an answer yet.
- Ah.

- My blogger girls,
three of them are like,

"Uh, I don't know.
I don't think so.

She doesn't look familiar
from first glance."

Wait!

"I follow this girl.
I think it's Jenny [bleep].

- What--wait,
is that on Instagram?

- On Instagram.
Somebody just DM'd it to me.

- We got a hit, we got a hit.
- [gasps]

- Oh--oh!
- [gasps]

- [exhales]
- That's the--

- Mm--that's her!
- Dee-dee-dee-dee-dee!

- Wow, that's her.
- Thank you.

- That is definitely her.
- Thank you, Captain Sunshine.

- Do you know
who that person is?

- I have no idea
who they are.

- That's so random.

Okay, we need to message Jenny.

[dramatic music]

So we're sending a message
to Jenny's page.

Well, okay, so this proves that

the girl in the pictures
is someone else.

Doesn't help us find out
who he's actually talking to.

[cell phone rings]

Whoa!
Hello?

- Hey, Jenny.

Wow, thanks so much
for getting back to me.

- Can you by any chance
FaceTime right now?

- Hey!
- Hey!

- So this is Kamie.
- Nice to meet you.

- Do you know the show?
- Yes, I do.

- So we are helping
a guy in Nashville,

who, for the last, like,
four or five months,

has been talking to this girl

who says her name is Taylor
from Louisiana

who has a whole Instagram
account with your face.

- Oh.

- Do you know about
this account?

Has anyone brought it
to your attention?

- Yeah, so I don't know
who it is, obviously,

but people have
direct messaged me saying,

"Oh, this girl's
stealing your photos"

- Have you seen the page?

- No, I don't know the page.

- Well, look, I'm just gonna
show you Taylor Holland's page.

Like, is that you?
Like, did you post that?

- No, no.

See, I never post
something like that.

That's me.
- Right.

- And you don't know
a Jake from Nashville, 18...

- No, I've never heard
that name, ever.

- This must be
super annoying for you.

- It is.
It's frustrating.

It's been happening
for a while now.

- Damn, girl.

It's the price you pay
when you're a bad bitch.

- Yes, it is!
- It's hard out here.

- All right, well,
we're gonna find them.

We're gonna catch them.
- Thank you.

- See you, Jenny.
- Bye, thank you.

- Thanks.
- Thank you, guys.

- Okay, so we've got something.

Now we've got
some hard evidence.

- So then is Emily
telling the truth, then?

Does she not have anything
to do with this, like...

- This is a lot of stuff.
Let's go talk to Jake,

show him what we've got,

figure out
what we wanna do next.

At least now we know
who Taylor isn't.

- Hey--oh.
- Oh, hello.

- There he is.

[light music]

All right, we're gonna
hit up this little café

for some food.

Let's do this.

♪ ♪

All right.

Well, let's show you
what progress we've made.

We ran the phone number
that you have for Taylor.

Came back registered to someone
named Brig in their 40s.

They live on Shady Lane.

- [laughs]

- But we also got Israel
and then this guy Troy.

So that was weird.

Sometimes the results from
those things are not accurate.

- Right.
- I don't know.

So then we just searched
Taylor Holland.

And on Facebook,

there's hundreds and hundreds
of Taylor Hollands.

And weirdly, a lot of them
are just, like,

dead profiles that
don't even have pictures.

I don't know
if that's just, like,

a name a lot of people have
or the name

that a lot of people use
to make empty profiles,

which is kind of creepy.

Like, it felt like
a Taylor Holland graveyard.

All right, so after that,
we reached out to Emily,

but we haven't heard
anything back yet.

So at this point,
finding Taylor Holland

is like searching
for a needle in a haystack.

So we decided to do something
we don't generally do.

We took a photo of Taylor...
- Okay.

- Kamie put it
on her Instagram Story,

and I put it on my Twitter
and I said,

"Does anyone know
who this girl is?"

And in, like, five minutes,
someone was like,

"Yeah, I think
I follow that girl,"

and gave us her Instagram.

And here it is.

Jenny [bleep],

who, sure enough...

- Yeah, no, that's where all
of--those are all her pictures.

- Is "Taylor."

We FaceTimed with her,

and Jenny is the girl
in the picture.

- Yeah.

[Kyson's
"Innocence Arrogance"]

Wow.

- You've been
talking to someone

who's been using
this woman's photos.

- ♪ My arrogance battles
with my innocence ♪

- Huh.

- ♪ A surrogate
to every thought ♪

- She's been lying to me for,
like, what?

Like, seven to eight months.

- She could also be lying about
ever having met you.

She might have not even been
at that convention.

- Right.

- ♪ And all I needed to say ♪

♪ ♪

- Sorry to be a bearer of
not-great news.

The only thing
left for us to do

would be just to
reach out to Taylor.

Is that okay?
- Yeah, go for it.

[line trilling]

- Hi, is this Taylor?

- This is Nev from "Catfish."

And I'm in Nashville
with your friend Jake,

trying to help Jake
finally meet you.

- We're just trying to see if
we can help make that happen.

Where do you live?

- Okay, big state.
Anywhere specific?

- Can we come meet you there?

- What are your feelings
towards Jake at this moment?

- [laughs]

Exactly.

Knew that was gonna
[bleep] happen.

- That was so weird.

She couldn't even
come up with a [bleep] city?

- 'Cause she's not there.
- Right.

All right, so, look.
She knows what we want.

I guess it's just
sort of up to her.

Keep your eye out.

We'll check in
with you tomorrow.

I guess that's that.

[dramatic music]

♪ ♪

Oh.
Taylor?

Whoa.

[suspenseful music]

Interesting turn of events.

Got a text.

- From who?
- Guess.

- Taylor?
- Yeah, look at this.

"I'm two hours away.

Should I meet you
at Jake's house?"

- Okay, first of all,

the fact that she's
suggesting up Jake's house...

- Is weird.
- Is weird.

- "Probably best to meet
somewhere neutral."

♪ ♪

At this point, let's pack up.

We'll head over there,
we'll scoop--

[cell phone chimes]

She wrote back.
"Okay, sounds good," she said.

All right, let's go.
Let's do this!

[foreboding music]

- Hello!
Hello, hello!

- Oh, there he is.
So Taylor texted me.

- "I'm two hours away."
- What?

- We found a park,
and we can meet her there.

- Okay.
- Someone is coming to meet us.

- Someone.
- Just don't know who.

- Well, I guess
let's go wait for her.

♪ ♪

- [sighs deeply]

- Make sure no one's in here.
- [laughs]

[tense music]

I like this,
so we can see who's coming.

- She could just be
[bleep] us around.

She could not even
be here at all.

- [sighs deeply]

♪ ♪

- It's been a few minutes.
Could this be her?

- The dog?
I wish.

- The blue car.
- Here's a car.

- Where?
[gasps]

There's three people
in the car.

- There were three people
in that car.

- There's three girls in there.
- But it's stopping here.

[bleep].

Someone's definitely
coming towards us.

♪ ♪

And coming inside.

♪ ♪

- Here's a car.
- Where?

[tense music]

There's three people
in the car.

- There were three people
in that car.

- There were three girls
in there.

- But it's stopping here.
[bleep].

Someone's definitely
coming towards us.

And coming inside.

♪ ♪

- Hi.

- I know that voice.
- What's up?

I'm Nev.

- Nice to meet you, I'm Amanda.
- Amanda, okay.

- Amanda, Kamie.

- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.

- Obviously, Jake.

- Hi.

- So are you Taylor?

- Sorry, I'm nervous.
- I understand.

Where were you coming from?
- Louisiana.

- That's far.

- It's, like,
an eight-hour drive.

- Did you drive?
- You drove?

- Whoa.
Who is in the car with you?

We saw two other people.

- They're two
of my best friends.

- Is one of them Emily?

- I don't know who Emily is.

- Emily [bleep].

♪ ♪

- So you didn't have
any interaction with Emily?

She's not involved in all this?

She told Jake someone told her
you were a catfish.

How does she know that?

- There are people that know
that my account is fake.

I turned the comments off
so they can't comment.

- Okay.

We're trying to figure out
what's been going on, so...

- Well, I wanna apologize
to you first.

I'm sorry.
I didn't--

I didn't think that he would,
like, talk to me as me,

because I'm very insecure
about, like, what I look like.

- Okay, well, who is "me"?
- I'm 24.

- Okay, so you are 24, okay.
- Mm-hmm.

I started catfishing
about four or five years ago.

- Okay.

- Because I was bullied
in high school,

so I had to be home-schooled.

Because of that I don't have
very many friends,

so that's kind of the mindset
I had when going into it.

And I know it was wrong.

I know it's not the best way
to make friends, but...

- Sure, maybe in high school,
when it was happening,

you did it to, like,

get away from the feelings
you were having.

But then you had, you know,

six years to grow up
and stop doing that.

[melancholy music]

- I just don't understand where
you think it was gonna go.

And I mean, like, you know,
like, we have had conversations

where I've been like,
"Yo, like, trust."

Massive thing for me.

You break it,
you gotta earn it back.

It's gonna be hard
to earn it back.

Why not just try to start
a conversation as yourself?

Like, just try?

- I mean, you're right.

♪ ♪

- But why him?

- Well, we have had--

we met in person in October
at an event.

I had a party in my hotel room.

I used the Taylor account

and told him to come
to the party, and he came.

- So you guys
actually hung out?

Do you remember her now,
that you--

like, she gave you
that reference?

- Very, very briefly.

- I just don't get it.
What are you, like--

why are you making friends
with kids at, like,

fake hosting parties
and sending them money, like...

- I have a hard time
talking to people.

- But are you really
trying to make

genuine friendships
with regular people?

Or is it all just people who
have a bunch of followers that

you wish you could've been
friends with in high school?

- Kamie sort of said, it feels
like you're kind of trying to,

like, correct and relive
your high school years.

- I think so.
I am.

♪ ♪

- Okay, so in the time that
you've been talking to Jake,

have you been to Nashville?

- No.

- Did you just Google Maps
his house?

- Okay.

He mentioned that there was
at least one time

where you got
really upset with him,

said some things that were
kind of, like, aggro.

Did that happen?

- Yes, but something did happen

that I'd rather not
talk about right now.

- He told us that
you were, like,

threatening to blackmail him.

- I did do that,
but I did apologize,

because I do realize
it was wrong of me

to put him in that position.
- [laughs]

- I did apologize.
- Okay, well, I just--what--

- Right, but what were you
planning on

blackmailing him with
that holds so much weight

that it would
ruin his entire career?

- I mean, I-I don't
really feel comfortable

talking about that.

♪ ♪

- Look, I know this is a lot.

I think that there's
still some more stuff

to kind of just iron out.

Let's just plan on meeting
back up tomorrow at some point

if it suits everyone.
- That's fine.

- Nice to meet you.
- Nice meeting you.

- Amanda.
- Mm-hmm.

- Good to meet you.
- You too.

Bye, Jake.

[tense music]

- What was--what was the thing?
What ha--what did she--

- Yeah, what does she have--
- She's talking about

the blackmail,
that's what she's saying.

- Did you do something first
that may have upset her?

- I don't know.

- I'm getting the feeling that
she has something against you,

something you did.

[tense music]

- Hey, Amanda, how you doing?
Good morning.

- Oh, okay, cool.
What's up, Chelsey?

- We had a feeling that there
was more to the story.

Are you with her?

- Can we come
meet up with you?

- All right, send us where
you're at, and we'll head over.

- All right.
Thanks, Chelsey.

- Amanda's got
something to say.

She's not giving
the full picture.

- I want answers!
And I want them now!

♪ ♪

both: Hi.
- Hello.

- What's up?
- So good to meet y'all.

- Are you Chelsey?
- Yes, I'm Chelsey.

- Kamie.
- There's--yeah--

there's three of you.
Right, okay.

- Oh, hi.
- Chelsey, hi--meet you.

- These are the friends
from the car yesterday?

- You're...
- I'm Kelsey.

- Kelsey, Kamie.
- Oh, my God, that's crazy.

- Are you twins?

- Yes.
- No, I don't know her.

- No, she followed me home
from the hospital, I don't--

- Stop.

- My mom was just like,
"We'll keep her."

- That's funny.
Hi.

Sorry I took so long to say hi.
How are you?

- Good.

- So you're a real jokester.
- [laughs]

- Obviously.
- I love it.

You have great friends.
- I do.

- So, okay, so
what we're here to find out--

'cause I definitely feel like

there was something you wanted
to say yesterday--

- I basically--I don't want to
make Jake look bad

for the things
that he's done to me.

- Okay.
- But [bleep] that.

This is a safe space;
your friends are here.

We're here, we're open.
- Yeah.

You have a right to speak for
yourself and defend yourself.

Let me ask you.

Yesterday, though,
you brought up--

that there was
something that came up

that you didn't wanna
talk about.

Is there--do you still feel you
don't wanna talk about it?

Or do--is it--
- Oh, I'll talk about it.

So on Christmas Eve,
he called me,

and he was freaking out
because he was like,

"I don't have money to get
my family Christmas presents,

and I can't go home
without presents for them."

So I sent him $300.

So then he was like, "Okay,
I'll call you when I get home,"

and he never called me.

And that is when I got mad
and told him I was gonna

basically put him on blast,

because I felt like
he was using me for money.

- Wow, that definitely was
not the story Jake told us.

- And then there's--
just the other day,

he had asked Amanda for,
what was it,

$600 or something for a phone,

however much, you know,
a phone costs.

And Amanda was like,
"I only have 300."

And he was like, "That's fine.
Send it."

There's other times where,
like, he's requested money

and she's declined
multiple times,

and he made her feel bad
for declining his requests.

- So he sent requests?

- He sent me requests for $300
to bail his friend out of jail.

- Like, why would you
even ask Amanda?

Like, that's not
her responsibility.

- But has he demanded
money from you?

- He's called me a few times

and he's asked me to send him
food to his house, and I do,

because he's like,
"I'm hungry, babe, I'm hungry.

Can you send me food?"
And I'm like, "Okay, sure."

- So why do you keep
sending him [bleep]?

♪ ♪

- It definitely helps me
understand why you were upset,

'cause he didn't obviously tell
the story exactly the same way.

But not in his defense,
you initiated the concept

of giving him money.
- Right, right.

- It's not right, but when you
put yourself in the position

to be used on purpose,
it's kind of hard

to then double back and
be like, "You're using me,"

when you've allowed it
to happen.

You have to know
when to decipher like,

"Okay, this is
not really a friend."

[melancholy music]

- I think it's more of just
having somebody there.

- But you have
real people here.

Yesterday,
when we were talking to you,

you made it seem like
you didn't have any friends,

and you didn't have anybody
that you could go to.

But you had two friends
that drove with you seven hours

to meet
some 18-year-old TikToker.

Stop talking to Jake.
Do not send him anything.

- I'm not.
- Or anybody else.

Start investing in yourself.

- And yesterday,

what you probably really
should've been doing

is standing up for yourself.

And say, "Hey, you know what?
Yes, I lied to you.

"I shouldn't have done that.

But you've really
treated me badly."

- Right.
- I do have a problem

when it comes to
standing up for myself.

- Where does that come from,
where you feel like you deserve

to be treated the way
that you're being treated?

- Well, I'm
a very sheltered person.

I don't get out much.

- Was that just from
being home-schooled?

- I was born with spina bifida,

and the doctors said
I'd never walk.

They said I'd never be over
three feet tall

and I walk like that sometimes
when I walk.

And people would laugh at me
and make fun of me in school,

and it just got
too much for me.

So I don't know how to, like,
really act

when it comes to, like,
true friendships.

And I guess I'm so used to
having to pay people

because that's what I've been
doing since high school.

- I'm sure that that in itself
has to be a hit

at your self-esteem
and your confidence.

- It definitely has
made it worse.

That makes me feel like
I'm not worth, like,

having an actual,
true friendship.

- 'Cause it's conditional.

That would make
anybody feel like crap.

- So what do we do about Jake?

'Cause I still think,
if you're up for it,

this would be a good
opportunity

for you just to say,
"Hey, I know I [bleep] up,

but I also feel like
you took advantage of me."

Because he needs to know that.

- Like, I'm owning up to
what I did, so it's his turn.

- Right.
- Right.

- So why don't you guys
go to the café

where we did our investigation?
- Mm-hmm.

- I'll go pick up Jake.
- Sounds good to me.

- It was nice meeting you.
- Let's go.

- ♪ To hold it all together ♪

- Today's your day.

- ♪ The limit of
a one-way street ♪

You're gonna
stand up for yourself,

'cause if today's the last day
that you ever speak to him,

you wanna leave
with no regrets.

- Right.

- ♪ To hold it all together ♪

- Okay, here we go.

[soft tense music]

Hey.

- Where's Kamie?

- Kamie went with Amanda

to a café where
we're gonna meet them now.

We talked to Amanda
this morning,

and there's definitely
some stuff

we all should
talk about together.

- That sounds fun.
[laughs]

♪ ♪

- All right.
Ready?

- Yup.
[inhales deeply]

- Hello.
- Hello.

- Welcome.
- We made it.

- Have a seat.

- All right.

Yesterday was about Amanda

taking ownership of her role
in all this.

But we spoke to Amanda earlier,
and it just became clear to us

that there's more to this story
than what you told us.

There's more she just wants
and needs to say to you

in regards
to this whole situation.

[tense music]

- So I do feel like
you were just using me,

because, like,
you would call me

when you wanted, like,
food or something.

But as soon as you
got the food,

you'd be like, "Okay, babe,
I'll call you later."

And you never did.

And, like, you asked me
to send you money

to bail your friend
out of jail.

That was a little bit too much.

That's why I felt
I was being used

for just food and for money.

And I was very hurt about it,

and I guess
I just don't understand.

- And we don't either,
because you told us that

you spent Christmas
with your family

and didn't talk to her
for a few days,

and that she then freaked out.
- Mm-hmm.

- Her version
of that timeline

is completely different.
- Okay.

- Which is that you
called her in a frenzy,

"Oh, my God, I gotta
get gifts today, right now.

Can you please send me money?"
She did.

And then she didn't hear
from you for a few days,

and she really felt like,
"Wow, that feels [bleep]."

- That's not what happened.

- Well, I don't know that,
right?

So that was her version
of the story.

And there's always two sides
to a story,

but after talking to Amanda
and her friends,

it sounds like you were
asking her for stuff

and getting mad at her
when she didn't deliver.

She felt like the relationship
that you guys had

was very one-sided,
and I agree with her.

- Okay.

But let's be honest.

You can't, like, offer up money

and then get upset when people
expect you to give them money.

[dramatic music]

- But at the same time,

she's still a real person
who has feelings.

It's understandable why
you would be hurt and upset.

♪ ♪

- Sorry.

[sobbing softly]

[sniffles]

Sorry,
I'm a little overwhelmed.

- This is a learning
opportunity for both of you,

moving forward,
'cause it's a [bleep] feeling.

And although it's not fair
to be used by people,

it's also not fair for you
to allow yourself to be used.

- Yeah.

[clears throat]

- I get the sense,
and we kind of have

this the whole time that, like,
you probably kind of knew

whatever relationship
you were having with Taylor

was never really gonna
lead to anything.

She probably wasn't even the
girl she was saying she was.

And you would've been right.
So, okay.

You took advantage of that.
- Yup.

- You have to be able to just
say like, "You know what?

"Yes, I continued
to talk to you

because you were
giving me [bleep]."

Can you own that?
- Yeah, I can own that, yeah.

- Okay, right.

- You're right.
I [bleep] up.

And I can tell right now that
you're a genuine person.

And I completely
took advantage of that.

I do care about you.
I did care about you.

I don't want to defend myself,
but I truly 100% apologize.

- ♪ Pain is like the rain
that falls down ♪

- Okay.
I respect that.

- We're all growing up
at this table.

- I just want you to know the
relationship wasn't 100% fake.

There was at least, like,
a friendship there.

- And possibly a friendship
that could continue,

if that's what you guys want.

- I mean, obviously,
we're both gonna need time,

but I feel like there could
possibly be a friendship...

- Yeah, so far.
- If it's not forced.

- All right, look.
So life goes on.

You're both very young.

Very promising futures
ahead of you.

You did the right thing,
I think,

coming here and coming clean.

Hopefully, pressure yourself
now to stop using anybody

but yourself to engage with
and talk to people.

- Right.

- ♪ Don't be afraid to love ♪

- Amanda.
- Good to meet you.

- You too.
- Safe travels back.

- ♪ I promise
that you're enough ♪

♪ ♪

- [indistinct]
- Thank you.

- All right, bye.

- Have a safe drive.

See you on TikTok.

- [laughs]

[upbeat music]

- Jake!
- Hey!

- Hey, what's up?

- Renegade, renegade.
- [chuckles]

- How are you feeling
with all this sort of

post-Amanda fallout?

- Me and her did FaceTime,
like, officially,

and, like, had, like,
an actual good conversation.

- What about how much
she felt used?

- Right, I just feel really bad
about that, actually.

And I do plan on
paying her back.

- All right, well, cool.

So you'll be
a better person for it.

- Yeah.
- All right, later, Jake.

- Bye.
- Bye.

- Hey!
- Hey!

- How are you guys?
- Aw, you look happy.

You look good.
- Thank you, thank you.

- We heard you talked to Jake.
- He FaceTimed me.

We never really talked since.

- Is Taylor still a thing?
Is that profile still up?

- It is still up,
but I logged out of it.

- Baby steps.

- I learned that
I should be myself,

and I should have
people love me for me.

- So the whole
giving people money

to be your friend thing
is done?

- Yeah, I haven't done that
since,

so we're making progress here.

- Yes, girl.
- That's great.

It's nice to see you.
Good luck with everything.

- You too.
- Bye.

- Bye.
- Bye, Amanda.

- Tony's been talking to this
girl Tiana for two years now.

- I got real deep feelings.
- But it's not adding up.

- Oh, boy.
- [gasps]

She's a liar!
She's a liar!

[tense music]

- What are you doing?

- I know you're in there.
This is weird.

- Hold up, what?

[bleep].

♪ ♪

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