Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 8, Episode 1 - Red & Jalissa - full transcript

- Red thinks
she's been talking to

Jalissa, Shekinah,
and Tamar Braxton

from "Braxton Family Values"
for six years.

- I'm like, maybe this is,
like--she's all these people.

- Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

- Hello?
- That's not her.

I've been busy, Nev.
- What'd you find?

- I found her.
- What?

- I'm ready.
Oh, my God. Some [bleep].

- I need your help.
Help.

For almost a decade, "Catfish"



has brought desperate hopefuls
the answers they deserve.

- Thank you, guys, so much
for bringing us together.

- This time around, though,
we flipped the script.

Now I'm heading out
with my co-host Kamie.

- Who's ready to go fishing?

- We're helping people
who need us the most.

Let's do it!

Only they have no idea.

- She doesn't know
I reached out to you guys.

- Oh, my goodness.

- This season, we're being
tipped off by friends...

- I care about him a lot.
- Family...

- My brother is really
in love with her.

- And even anonymous sources.



Whoa.
- What?

- This is from
the whistle blower.

Ride or dies who will not
sit back

while their loved ones
get played.

- ♪ Come on and catch me now ♪

- Why can't you meet?
- I don't want to hurt you.

- Homie
is getting played.

- So many layers.

- 'Cause even when
you don't know it...

- [bleep].
- Chill, chill, chill.

- Come on, man.
- Take a second.

"Catfish" has your back.

♪ ♪

- Want to come with me
over here?

- Wait, what are we--oh,
my God, no.

You're gonna
get me hate mail.

- It's only fitting now
that you're here.

- "Catfish" fans,
this was not my idea.

This was not my play.
This is not my strategy.

- Max who?
- Please do not DM me.

- It's like he never existed.
- Stop!

- All right,
fire up the Max Cam.

All right, we're rolling.

It's official.
I have an Instagram message.

- Instagram? That's different.

- "Hey, Nev and Kamie.

"This is Janae.

"And my friend Red is totally
getting catfished by Jalissa,

a woman she's never met
or even FaceTimed with."

- ♪ Nothing I can say or do
to change your mind ♪

- "But after six years,
she refuses to see it."

- ♪ Feeling like I must have
tried a thousand times ♪

- Six years? Whoa.

"What's worse is Red
just got on a plane

"and is flying to Los Angeles
by herself to a city

she doesn't know in order
to meet Jalissa."

- ♪ I don't wanna
be in love now ♪

♪ You don't wanna
just be friends ♪

♪ Probably shouldn't see
each other, each other again ♪

- "Apparently, Jalissa is in
L.A. this week doing hair,

"and Red is going down there
since it's not far from where

she lives in Portland, Oregon."

I mean, that's pretty far.
- That's still a trip.

- "That's crazy 'cause Jalissa

"has stood Red up
multiple times before.

"Red is going
to get hurt again.

"She doesn't see it.

I don't know
what to do to help her."

- ♪ The girl you want,
she just doesn't exist ♪

- But I told her
I was going to write to you

if she got on the plane.

Please give me a call

if you can help at this
phone number or on Skype.

- ♪ And it's all
in your head ♪

Wow.

- Um, this is a very
dangerous thing.

To get on a plane
to go meet up with someone

that you've never talked
on the phone.

- Who stood you up before.
Shouldn't Janae

have gone with her?
- Yeah.

But then maybe she's like,
"I don't want to get killed.

So if you want to go
and do that, bye."

- Sure. Let's call the friend.

[Skype ringing]

Here we go. Hey.
- Hey.

- What's up, Janae?

- Oh, [bleep]. Okay.

I don't want
to keep you too long.

Can you just quickly explain
what's going on here?

- I'm really concerned
about Red because she just

kind of flew down to L.A.
by herself

to go meet this stranger.

And I know, like,
she's getting catfished.

- What's up with, Jalissa?
What does she do?

- She's a hairstylist.

She's told Red that she was
Tamar's Braxton's hairstylist.

- Tamar from
"Braxton Family Values"?

- Yeah.
- Did you tell Red

that you reached out to us?
- Yeah.

But I told her that it's
crazy, so...

I really, really hope
you guys can help her.

- I'm glad you reached out.

I think you're doing
the right thing.

Send us her info.

Obviously, something
is going on here.

- Yeah.
- And we need to figure it out.

I hope you guys can help her.

- Thank you.
- Thank you.

- Bye. Wow.

I don't even know
where to start.

We don't have a lot of info yet

just because Janae was
clearly kind of in a rush.

[message chime]

Okay, we got her
cell phone number.

Let's call Red.

- She might be like,
"Stay out of my business."

[line ringing]

- Yeah, hi. Is this Red?

- This is Nev and Kamie
from "Catfish."

And we actually just spoke
to your friend Janae

who kind of filled us in
a little bit on your situation.

- Yeah.

- Very for real,
and we want to help.

- What's going on?

- Right.

- Hmm.

- Wow. Okay, so you're
hitting the streets.

You're on the case.

- Obviously, your friend thinks
you might be getting catfished.

And if you want us to try
and help you,

we're in Los Angeles, so--

- You would love that, okay.

- Why don't we meet you
at that salon

and we can pick up
the trail from there?

- All right, great.

We'll head over and then we'll
kind of decide what to do.

- Okay, bye.

- This girl is on a wild MFing
goose chase around Los Angeles.

- You know what, though?
I like it.

I like that she said,
"Enough is enough.

"You say you're in L.A.,
I'm gonna fly down there.

Boots on the ground."

I like this girl.

To the streets.
- Ready.

- ♪ Into the wild ♪

♪ Into the wild,
into the wild ♪

- Here it is, The Syndicate.

- Maybe I can get a little
touch-up, you know?

- All right.

I don't even know
what she looks like.

We're just gonna go in there
and ask for Red.

I hope she has red hair.
- Hi.

- Do you know that--if this
girl Red is here?

- Oh, yeah, no, she's actually
waiting for you in the back.

- Oh, good. Excuse us.
You're Red?

- Right.
- Perfect.

- Hi.
- Nice to meet you.

- You too.
- Kamie. Hi.

Nev.
- I'm Trenee.

- So wait, is this
who you were looking for?

- I'm Tamar's stylist.

- You are. Cool.

So you understand
she's been talking

to someone who says
they do Miss Braxton's hair.

- Tamar's hair.
- Right, right.

But I don't understand it
because I do Tamar's hair.

- Right.

- And I never met you before.
- Oh, it's not me.

- She makes the show with me.
- Oh, okay.

All right, all right.
- I'm Kamie.

- Okay. Hi, Kamie.
How you doing?

- Nice to meet you.
- Okay. I'm like--

- I don't do hair.

But if you want to do mine,
I'd be very happy.

- Okay.
Absolutely, please come.

Okay? You're very welcome.

- Is it possible someone else

could sometimes
also do her hair?

- I've been with Tamar
for the past couple of years.

- Okay. Got it.

- And it's just been me
and her.

- That is helpful.

And it at least kind of
gives us one definitive answer.

Thank you. Is there
a place that we can talk?

- Sure. We can go to the back.
- Thank you so much.

- Thank you.
- Nice to meet you.

- Thank you.
- You're welcome.

- Have a seat.
Nice to officially meet you.

- Right. You too.
- Wow, okay.

So kind of dove in in
the middle of everything here.

And how do you feel now
knowing

that Janae kind of
contacted us, like, are you--

- I didn't think she was gonna
do it, but she did.

I'm okay. I'm glad she did.

- So, Jalissa, can you like
take us back to the beginning?

- I will take you back to 2013.
- Okay.

- I met Shekinah on Facebook.

- Shekinah.

- Tamar's friend.
- Right.

- Got it.
- Whoa.

Oh.
- Hairstylist.

Who's like publicly
her friend, hairstylist.

- Right. Mm-hmm.
- Was on the show with her.

- She's a known TV personality.
- Mm-hmm.

- How long were you friends
with them

before Jalissa got in--

sort of mentioned,
or friended you or whatever?

- It was a few months.

She told Shekinah
that she liked me,

and it kind of
went from there.

I was like, she's gorgeous,
so we were talking

all the time,
which is very unusual for me.

♪ ♪

- Were you texting
and talking on the phone?

- Most of the time, the phone.

- Talking?
- Mm-hmm.

- Okay, so you've talked
to Jalissa many times?

- Mm-hmm.
- What about video chatting?

- Every time I asked her to
FaceTime, there was an excuse.

It's "I'm busy"
or "I'm playing with the kids"

or "I'm doing something."

- She has kids?
- Supposedly, she has twins.

And then one time,
I was on the phone with Jalissa

when she slipped and said,
"Oh, I'm actually engaged."

- To a man or a woman?
- A man.

- Whoa.
- After her engagement,

I backed off and I started
dating somebody else.

- In real life?
- Yeah.

I was dating her
for like over a year.

And then Jalissa comes back.

So I broke up
with her on my own.

- So many layers.

- She gets you to break up
with your real girlfriend?

- Why?
Like, what is it about

this girl that you're
so in love with?

- She's a go-getter.
She's a good mom.

She's gorgeous.
We made plans and everything.

We were gonna get married.
She wanted to have more kids.

Everything.

- So you're, like, in it
with this girl.

- Mm-hmm.

- You were saying
I love you, right?

- All the good stuff.

- You were all in.
- All in.

- What about your texts?
Can I see your recent chats?

Whoa. Look at this.
Look at this.

You said, on Monday,
"I'm packing."

She said, "I'm excited."

And you sent pictures yesterday
at 7:45 a.m.

of--at the airport.

"So we're linking up tonight."

She said, "So we're linking up
tonight around 4 or 5?"

You said, "Okay.
So what's the restaurant

we are going to?"
No response.

Then at 5:30,
"You flaking on me?"

- 'Cause she stopped
texting me.

- Right.
You then sent your location.

No response.

"What are you doing?
Why aren't you responding?"

- And I haven't heard
from her since.

- [groans]

- And then Shekinah and Tamar,

they all stopped texting me
yesterday at the same time.

- Oh, you also texted Tamar?
- Mm-hmm.

- But not like talking
on the phone?

- No.
- So now I'm like,

"Maybe this is, like--
she's all these people."

- Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

- And these are all obviously
different phone numbers?

- Yes.

- But we just met Tamar's
actual hairstylist.

- Tamar and the number she has
for Tamar don't even match.

- Okay, so you compared
phone numbers?

- I did.
- And for Tamar,

the number you have is not
the same number that she has.

- No.
- So we already know

that Jalissa is lying to you
about the Tamar thing.

- Have you popped off
on her at all yet?

- No. This was my last thing
right here.

I just had to come here
to see if it was gonna happen.

- All right, send us
everything you got.

We'll dive in tomorrow morning.

See what we can find out
on our own.

You talk to Janae.
Let her know we're helping.

- Okay.

- We're gonna get
to the bottom of this.

All right,
let's get out of here.

- Let's do it.
- Thank you.

- You go back to your hotel.

Send us that stuff.
We'll talk to you tomorrow.

- I will. Thank you, guys.

- Wow.
What a story.

- That was a lot.

It's either one person
coming up

with a bunch of people and
making all these storylines.

Or it's multiple people
in a group

who are, like,
just [bleep] with her.

- Right.
Whoever this person is,

she's going to great lengths
to lie to Red for something.

- It's a slippery one.

- ♪ Take my mind
you can have it ♪

- Laura just made me sign up
for this astrology app

The Pattern.
- [gasps] Oh, my God.

We should be friends
on Pattern.

- Oh, God.

See if the Pattern
app thinks we're a good pair.

- It better.
- What do I do? I go here.

- It says, "You and Nev
are very similar people

with similar temperaments."

It's because we're--
- Oh, here's one.

"There's potential conflict.
Kamie may do

or say things you find
incredibly irritating."

- It does not say that.
- "Try to be patient."

- This not on there. Liar.

- Anyway, all right.

- So Janae reached out to us
because her friend Red

has been talking to Jalissa
for six years.

- Right.
- Jalissa is also saying

that she's BFF with
Tamar Braxton and Shekinah.

Jalissa's also engaged
on and off

and she got pregnant
with twins.

- Red gets down here.
She starts to unravel...

- The lies.
- The lies. All right.

"Hey, Nev and Kamie, I'm glad
you guys came out to help me

"because I now realize
I really need it.

"Here is the information
on Jalissa and her friends.

"Shekinah introduced me
to Jalissa.

"Here's her Facebook.
Jalissa's phone numbers

"are this and this.
The most recent numbers

"I have for the others.
I'm attaching the photos

that Jalissa recently
sent me below."

All right, let's run
the numbers

of all the people
she's been talking to.

- They're all different
area codes.

- All right.
So let's just look up

the Jalissa phone numbers.

Hey. Look at this.

First one of them
comes back with a match.

- [bleep] Taylor.
- Yeah.

- This is a person
who is 66 years old.

- This person is 66.

All right,
let's see what happens

when we run our other number.

Okay.
This comes back Temple, Texas.

All right, let's look up
Shekinah's phone number.

- Richmond, Texas.
It says landline.

- That's usually what happens
if it's a text app.

- Right.
- I don't know.

I'm just gonna finish just in
case something comes up.

- Georgia.
- Also landline. Yeah.

So it looks like all the
numbers except for one are...

All right, so she met
Shekinah on Facebook first

and she gave us
Shekinah's Facebook.

Let's just see if this is real

'cause Shekinah
is a well-known hairstylist.

- Yeah, yeah.
And TV personality.

- Yeah, right.
- Oh, okay.

She's got 10,000 followers.
That's not nothing.

Studied at Empire Beauty School
in Gwinnett.

Went to Booker T. Washington
High School. Lives in Atlanta.

In a relationship.
So this seems pretty legit.

But this isn't
a verified account.

So wait, let's just do
a Google Search for Shekinah

and see if, like,
a verified page comes up.

Oh, yeah. Wow.

Look at this, @thatshekinah
is her Instagram, right?

Is this her? She's verified.

Oh, okay. She's got over
3 million followers, okay.

So let me go to her Instagram.
Send a message.

"We're filming an episode
of 'Catfish'

"right now,
could use your help.

Can you give me a call,
please?"

So that's Shekinah.

So now let's go
to Jalissa's Facebook page.

Okay.
So this is Jalissa [bleep].

Not much on here.

She's got
200-and-something friends.

So then let's look up Jalissa

and see if that's
a real person.

A lot of stuff comes up
when you Google her.

And look. Look at this.
Here's another Facebook page.

- Ah.
- Okay, so here's Jalissa.

This is her.

There's the picture
that she sent Red.

- Mm-hmm, Red has.
- "Mother, wife,

artist, creator."

And this one's more active.

- Yeah.
- These are, like, shares

from yesterday.

And there's 4,500 friends.

Okay, so this feels like
it could really be

the Facebook page
for the real Jalissa [bleep].

- But also if real Jalissa
is a hairstylist,

there's nothing on this page
that says anything

about her doing hair.
- That's true. That's true.

There doesn't seem to be any
indication that she does hair.

She's an artist.

- Right.
- She's got photos here.

Twins.
Oh, those are twins.

- They're twins.

- There's also a guy
on these pictures.

- Right.
- This is the real

Jalissa [bleep].
We should message her here.

"Hey, Jalissa.

"I believe someone
is pretending to be you.

Please give me a call.
Thanks."

- My question is why is someone

obviously impersonating
this woman?

- Weird.
- Like she's not Tamar Braxton.

She's a normal woman.

She has a good amount
of followers,

probably because of her artwork
and stuff like that.

But why steal her life?

- Oh. Shekinah wrote me back.

She said, "Hi. What? Catfish?

What do you mean?
I'm not catfishing anyone."

- No, sis.
That's not what we're saying.

- I'm gonna say, "No, no, no.
Call and I'll explain."

- Oh, she's FaceTiming.
- Ooh.

- Hey!
- Hey!

- How you doin'?
- Oh, you're driving.

- Yeah. I'm driving.
I had to call y'all back

because this is like--I don't
understand what's going on.

- I know. It's a lot.
I'll explain it to you.

Now is an okay time?

- Okay, this is Kamie.
- Hey.

- She's my co-host on the show.

- Love every show
you've been on.

- So basically, there's a girl
who has been talking

to someone named Jalissa.

She also thinks she's been
talking to you and Tamar.

- So mainly,
we just wanted to confirm

that you aren't friends
with a girl named Jalissa.

- And you don't talk to a girl
either named Red?

- Right.
We're trying to figure out

who is pretending
to be Jalissa.

- She's claiming
to be Tamar's hairstylist.

And she also has
a Facebook page of you.

- She's got a Facebook page
with 10,000 followers.

- Well, we can use it.
- I receive that. Thank you.

- I appreciate your time.

- Thank you.
- Bye.

- So--okay.

She doesn't have
a friend named Jalissa,

which means that if Shekinah
introduced Jalissa to Red,

that page is fake,
which also means

that the Jalissa page is fake.

- It has to be one person
doing all of this [bleep].

- I think it's pretty clear
to us

and to everyone watching
that Red is definitely

not talking to Jalissa
or any of these other people.

- This isn't gonna end well.

[knock on door]

- Hey.
- What's up?

- Oh, wow. All right.
Nice shirt.

- Thank you. How's it going?

- I feel like there's a hint
of red

in every outfit.
- Yeah.

- Absolutely.
- It's a brand.

You're branding.
- This is cozy.

So okay, so obviously, still
no contact back from Jalissa.

- Nope. And it's frustrating.
- Yeah.

For you to fly somewhere
and even then to not say like,

"I'm so sorry.
I should have told you not to

"come here or I should have
been honest with you.

Like, here's the truth."

- It doesn't matter if you are
who you say you are

or if you're not...
- Right.

- You don't have
to be an asshole.

You could just say like--
- Tell me something.

- Keep making things up
if that's what you're doing.

- You're on the moon,
I don't care.

- Right.
- Tell me something.

- All right, so look,
I just want to show you

quickly kind of what we did.
I don't want to waste

too much time and kind of get
to the point of everything.

So we ran her phone number,
and her phone number,

weirdly, came back
registered to [bleep] Taylor.

- Don't know that person.

- I just wanted to make sure
on the off chance

that you know who that is.

But sometimes,
this isn't accurate.

So then we thought, "Okay,"

we just did a Google Search
for Shekinah.

And there are a couple pages.

One of which
is the one you have.

We also found
Shekinah's Instagram.

This obviously is real.
It's verified.

So I sent her a DM 'cause if
she introduced you to Jalissa,

that means she knows Jalissa.

- Right.
- And she knows you.

So we actually FaceTimed
with Shekinah.

And the takeaway:
she doesn't know who you are.

She also doesn't know
a person named Jalissa.

So whoever you've been
talking to that says

they're Shekinah is not her.

So that was a big...

- Yeah, that's huge.
- Piece of information.

Then we went to
the Facebook page

that you interacted
with Jalissa on.

- Mm-hmm.
- They only have a few photos,

not a lot of friends.

Definitely don't feel
very real.

So we thought, like,

"Okay, let's just
google Jalissa [bleep]."

And a bunch of stuff came up.

We found this.

First page, Jalissa [bleep].

Look at this picture.
Set of twins.

"Mother, wife, artist."
Nothing about hair.

- Mm-hmm.

- It looks like she's married.
- That's crazy.

- She's clearly in
a relationship with this guy.

- Right. So this
is the real Jalissa [bleep].

That's just not
who you're talking to.

- This is so [bleep] stupid.

- So what are the chances

that the Jalissa
that you're talking to

and all of these
other characters

are the exact same person?

- So that seems to be
where this is all heading.

- I can't believe it.
Like, who has that much time?

- Now, there's a chance
she's doing it

'cause she's in love with you.

But she doesn't need
all the other characters.

Could have just been you
and Jalissa all this time.

- That's it.

[sighs]
I need a drink.

- So that's where we're at.

- So what do we do now?

- Traditionally,
we would reach out,

and we would just say,
"Hey, look.

You know Red's in L.A."
- Mm-hmm.

- "She really wants
to meet you.

"Where are you?

Can we come meet you there?"

- My only thing is,
she has to come to me.

I've done enough.
- Fair.

- Okay, we'll call her.
- Let's call her.

See what happens.

Went straight to--oh,
it's ringing.

That's a good start.

- Hi. Is this Jalissa?

- Hi, Jalissa. How you doing?

I don't know if you're familiar

with the show "Catfish."

But I'm the guy on the show,
Nev.

- Yeah, and we're in L.A.

making an episode
of the show right now,

trying to help your friend
Red meet you.

- So you were in L.A.?

- Got it. So where are you now?

- Texas.
Is that where you live?

- I'd still love to try
and figure out

a way to get you and Red
in the same city

and ideally
even in the same room.

- Right. Well, okay.

But since we're already
all in Los Angeles.

Would you be willing
to come back here?

- Great. So I'll have
a producer contact you.

- Okay.

- Are you kidding me?

Who's Ashley?

- Wait a second.
- That's not her.

- That's not her?
What do you mean?

- No, no.

- So you're telling me--
- That's not her voice?

- No.
- She knew the whole story.

- That's not her voice.
- How is that even possible?

- I can't believe that this

Ashley person is using
their actual name.

- Maybe her real name
is Ashley Taylor.

- But are we forgetting
the fact that she said,

"Book the fight
as Ashley Taylor,"

and that the person who's
number this is registered to

is [bleep] Taylor and that
they're probably related?

- Ooh. I forgot about that.

So that is her dad
or something.

- Somebody.
- That's the first clue, guys.

We got a clue.

Let's see if we can find
Ashley Taylor out of Austin.

Ooh, ouch.

I mean, there's
a lot of Ashley Taylors.

All right, there's too many
Ashley Taylors.

What's confusing me now
is that you are telling us

that the person
I just spoke to

is not the same person

that you've been talking to
for six years.

She answered the phone and she
totally played the part.

But you're telling me
that is not--

- At first, when you first
answered, I was like, "Yeah."

But nope. That's why
I wanted you to keep talking.

- Is there a chance that she
changes the way

her voice sounds
when she talks to you?

- Really?
- Yeah.

It happens all the time.
Here's the bottom line.

We're gonna fly Ashley Taylor,
whoever the hell that is,

to Los Angeles,

whether it's her
or she's somehow involved.

Hopefully, we'll get
an answer for you.

- Mm-hmm.
- And more importantly,

maybe put an end
to the countless fake profiles

that have been terrorizing your
life for the last six years.

- Mm-hmm.
But I'm ready.

- I just need to know why.
I need to know why.

- I need to know why too.

- Big day ahead.

♪ ♪

What a day.

- All right, well.

We're hell of a lot closer

to the truth now
than we were this morning.

- I just can't believe that
this Ashley person was so ready

and willing to just come out
about themselves.

And she's been playing
this game for six years.

- There's definitely a lot more

going on here
than meets the eye.

- Well, the buck stops here,
Miss Ashley Taylor.

- What's up?
- Hey, Red.

All red, everything. Wow.
- What's up?

- Feeling the color
coordination.

♪ ♪

- I've been busy, Nev.

- What do you mean
you've been busy?

- I've done my own
investigation.

- You did some homework.

- Yes.
- Good. What'd you find?

- Ashley Taylor. I found her.
- How?

- I can show you.
- What did you find?

- So I went to--
- You went to Facebook.

- Mm-hmm.
- Went to Shekinah's Facebook.

Ooh. And then you went to see
who's following her.

Smart.
- This is her.

That's all you see.
Nothing else.

- Okay. Can't see their face.
Just got one photo. That's it.

- You remember the name
on the phone thing, [bleep]?

It's her grandmother.
That's her cover photo.

- So--
- This is her, 100%.

- Obviously.
- And she's married.

- What?
- Yeah, it says she's married.

- Oh, my god.
It says she's married.

Wow. Good work.

- Jeez.

- Her name is Ashley Taylor.
[bleep] was her grandma.

All right, well, according
to flight tracker,

says she's officially
on the ground.

All right. So I think we should
text her.

"We found a nice park
to meet at.

See you soon."

Let's see what she writes back.

- She doesn't write back
sometimes.

- Oh, she said, "Okay."

Think you can do this?
- I'm hyped. I'm ready.

- Who's ready to go fishing?

- Let's go reel
this [bleep] in.

- Yeah. Here we go.

- There's no turning back.

- Nope. You guys ready?

- You never how much attitude
we're gonna get.

- Face to face
is totally different.

You can't [bleep] me no more.

- ♪ Show me where it hurts ♪

- Oh, I think this...
might be it.

♪ ♪

She should
be here any minute.

Okay.

Let's do it.

- Let's pop off.
- Let's pop off.

♪ ♪

It's a lot of nature
out here.

♪ ♪

- Is she gonna come out
the bushes or what?

- This works.

She's probably gonna just get
dropped off right there anyway.

- I do hope she enters humbly.
- She would want to.

- Well, here's a car
pulling in.

- It's very dramatic
with the dust.

- You scared me.

I'm ready.
- Got your back.

- We ain't even
going 12 rounds

- Well, get out.
- Is that--

- Oh, my God.
This is some [bleep].

- Here's a car pulling in.

- Wait. Well, get out.

♪ ♪

- Oh, my God.

This is some [bleep].
Oh, my.

- Hello.
- Hi.

- Hi, Ashley. How are you?
- I'm good.

- Nice to meet you. Nev.

both: Kamie.

- It is Ashley?
- Yeah.

- Right.

How'd it go, getting in?
- Good.

- Had you been to L.A. before?
- No.

- Never been to L.A.?
- I said no.

- I thought you were just here
doing hair for work.

- Okay, I'm gonna talk to you.
Okay.

- Oh, [bleep] me then.
That's fine.

- I'm sorry, I was just trying
to make some small talk

'cause...
- Right.

- I'm assuming you're nervous.

Anyway, we figured out
that a lot of the profiles

that Red has been talking to

for the past six years
are fake.

- Mm-hmm.
- We're assuming

you're behind
most or all of them.

- Mm-hmm.
- No one else is involved?

- No.
- Okay, so Shekinah, Tamar.

- Me, me,
me, me, me, me, me.

- Right, I just want to make
sure I know how many--

- Uh-huh.
- Are there some that

we don't even know about?
- Well, yeah.

- And are you doing this
to anybody else?

- Of course.
- Oh, my God.

♪ ♪

- I just want to know why.

Like, why?
What was the purpose?

♪ ♪

- It just started.
- Why?

- You hopped in my inbox first.
- Who, Jalissa's?

'Cause I don't even know you.

- Well, wait. When you say--

- And I didn't hop
in nobody's inbox.

- You did, though.
- As Jalissa? Was it Jalissa?

- You hopped into
Shekinah's inbox first.

- Oh, see.
You're not Shekinah.

- You skippity-skip-skip
hopped.

- But why?

- You did the bunny rabbit
and you hopped.

You hopped your ass in there.

- Really?
- Really?

- Don't flip this on me
'cause you did this.

- What is the attitude?
- I'm gonna talk to you.

He the host. You the help.
- Wow.

- You are the one
who is impersonating

other people on the Internet.
- Okay, I'm gonna talk to him.

It's his show not yours.
- Hey, it's our show now.

- But I'm talking to you,
and therefore, you are here...

- Okay, well,
I'm talking to him.

- On our show with our camera.
- This bitch, okay.

- You actually--
- You call me a bitch

one more time, we're
gonna have a serious problem.

So let's be respectful.

- Yeah.
- Jesus.

- Look, if you keep speaking
to her that way,

then you won't get the chance
to speak to any of us.

- Okay.
- Do you have kids?

- No.
- Are you married?

- No.

- We just happened to notice
on your Facebook page,

and we found that
it says you are married.

- I was married.
- Okay.

- We're just trying to find out
more about you.

- We're trying to figure
out the truth.

- Okay, Nev.
- So tell us who you are

so we know, like, what is real
and what isn't.

- I'm just me.
- How old are you?

- 24. I'm 24.
- 24.

Okay.
And you live in Texas.

- Yes, I do.
- So if you're 24 now,

that means you started
these when you were like--

or when did you first start?

- Like, 12 years old.
- What?

- Okay, so your first
fake profile when you were 12?

- Yeah.
- Whoa. Okay.

How did you
come across Jalissa?

- Jalissa.
- 'Cause she's a real person.

- Uh, Instagram.
- Okay.

She's not really famous.

- No, we're just friends
on Instagram.

- You know her personally?

- Oh, I do, yeah.
- You have met her in person?

- Oh, my God. No, we--
- Okay.

- We follow each other.
- Yes.

- We know some
of the same people.

- Uh-huh.
- That's it.

- if you break it down
a little slower,

I might be able to understand
you even better.

- Okay.
- You seem upset.

- I'm a blunt person.

♪ ♪

This is my personality.

This is how I am.

- This is not being blunt.
- There's a difference

between being blunt
and being respectful.

And you're being
very disrespectful.

- I'm being respectful.
- No, you're not.

- No, you're not.
- How not?

- You're being very
disrespectful.

You came up here
disrespectful.

- How?

- Look how you
talking to her.

- Why she got to be a bird?

- Well, bawk-bawk, bitch,
here I am.

- What, bitch?
- Yes?

- 'Cause she's calling you
on [bleep].

- Okay, do you have
any more questions, Nev?

I'm not talking
to these two right now.

- There's a side
of your personality

that is different than this

because you've talked
to Jalissa in a different...

- I mean, yeah, I can be sweet.
I can be sweet.

- Did you know that
she was dating someone?

- I mean, yeah, I knew.

- Didn't you ever think like,

"I should probably
leave her alone?"

- I mean, yeah, and I did.
I got married.

And then I got bored and--

- We got the impression
from Red

and maybe you have a different
take on it that there was a lot

of talk, romantic conversation
about being together.

- Mm-hmm, I didn't mean it.
I didn't mean it.

- You may not have meant it,
but like--

- Hell, no.
- I hope you didn't.

- I'm not gay.
- Well, I'm gay as [bleep].

Like, I'm gay-gay.

- Okay, enjoy that.
Anyway.

- Red, you look like you've got
a lot on your mind.

You want to go talk in the car?

- Sure.
- Come on.

- Leave you two to it.

- She's hella rude.

- She's gonna look like
the asshole

because she
is a [bleep] asshole.

- I know. I want to knock
the [bleep] out her.

Like, she's hella
disrespectful.

- Let's get in the AC.

We don't have to burn
because of this bitch.

- Do you feel better now
than you did?

- I mean, yeah, I guess.

I mean, of course, you know,
she's gonna be mad or whatever.

But I don't know
what else to say.

- Are you buying
what she's selling?

Are you buying this whole like,
"I was just bored"?

- No.

- No, everybody has to come out
on their own time.

I'm sure you have
your own journey with that.

But it's a front.
I know people like that.

- She's never been
that way with me.

- People like that,

because they're
so insecure and unhappy...

- Mm-hmm.
- Will have that

boisterous, just rude,

like, defense mechanism
because it's a front.

But I don't even know
if she's open enough

to explain
her true self to tell us.

- What do you want to do now?

- I mean, like,
whenever she cool down,

I'll be open to talk to her.

But I'm not gonna talk
to her right now.

- Let me regroup with them.
- Okay, that's fine.

- I'll let them know that
you're willing to sit down

and talk a little bit more.

And then as soon as everybody
has calmed down,

maybe we can meet
somewhere nearby.

- Okay.
- You came in a little hot.

Especially on Kamie.
We got off to a bit more...

- Yeah, we did.

- Rough start
than we needed to.

- We did.
- Take some time

to really think, is this how

you want things
to end between you and Red?

- Thank you so much.
- Okay.

I'll talk to you
in a little bit.

- Okay.

- ♪ See you're just trying ♪

♪ To get under my,
under my skin ♪

♪ ♪

- Oh, did she leave?
- Yeah.

Probably best if we all just
take a breather.

I see her, and I see

the way she's acting,
I hear the things she's saying,

and like, I just want
to give her an opportunity

to try and like, think
a little bit more deeply about,

like, what she's done...
- Mm-hmm.

- And how she feels,

because if we don't
try to help her,

she'll just keep making people
unhappy around her...

- Hmm.
- Forever.

♪ ♪

- So Ashley said
she wants to talk?

- Yeah, she said she likes the
idea of sitting down to talk.

- She want to get this
off her chest, huh?

- We'll see.

- So how are you gonna
help this girl?

- I think we need to help
her deal with her feelings,

because I'm pretty confident
you'll be okay.

- Absolutely.
- Her, I'm not sure.

Okay, we're here.

♪ ♪

Hello.

[groans]

[tense music]

♪ ♪

Hi again.
- Hi.

Hi. Hi.
- Hello.

- If you're open to it,
I'd love to try

and get into what's been--
- Yeah. I'm better now.

I'm open to anything.
- Okay.

- I was just nervous
about the situation.

I shouldn't have took it out
on you guys, and I'm sorry.

I'm sorry I called you a bitch.

- Me too.
- I'm sorry.

You are a good friend to me.

Like, you helped me out a lot

in ways that
you don't even know.

I have a lot of [bleep]
going on with my mom and--

- Like what's going
on with her?

- My mom's in a nursing home.

She's been sick all my life.

She has seizures,
and the last seizure

that she had,
she's never been the same.

Then a couple years later,
my grandma got cancer.

- That's very hard.

- It's extremely hard.

- So you take care of your mom.

- I try to.

I have a lot of health issues.

I suffer from depression.

Most days,
I don't get out of my bed.

Like, [bleep] is hard.

Like, I don't do
a lot of [bleep].

Like I'm alone.

I've always been alone.

The only person that ever
cared for me, she's gone.

- So were you just looking
for a friend?

- Yeah.
I don't have any friends.

Like, I got nobody.

- Look, I understand.

Having someone like Red
is helpful.

- Yeah. Yeah.

- But do you think

having all these profiles
is helping or hurting?

- It's not. It's hurting.

- Seems to me you're
at a crucial moment.

Time to start getting rid
of the things

that aren't helping you.

You did it today.
I mean, you came here

knowing full well that
you might cut this person...

- Yeah, I did.

- One of your only
close friends...

- I did.
- Out of your life.

- That's the hardest part
though.

- So wait, you started
the profiles when you were 12.

How many profiles you think
you've had since you were 12?

- 3,000.
- Oh, my God.

- 3,000 profiles?
- Yeah.

♪ ♪

Pick your chin up, Nev.

- 3,000?
- Wow.

- Three-comma-zero-zero-zero.
- Wow.

- I'm addicted, Nev.
- Well, at least you admit it.

- I think you need to cut
the [bleep] with yourself.

Hold on.

You have to start taking
responsibility for yourself.

It's just a choice you make.

Every time you start to slip
and you think, like,

someone made me feel bad
or I can't do that.

- You're right, like, each
time I get--the reason why

I have so many profiles
is 'cause each time I was sad,

I start making a new profile,

sitting alone
making a new profile,

as I was eating
the chocolate cake.

I'm addicted.

- Get it together,
because people will like you,

and you will have friends,
and you can be happy.

- Um, I know.

- But only when you stop
all these profiles.

- We could have been friends
just--just you.

You need to come
out the closet.

- Yeah.
- It's a lot nicer.

- For you, I will.
- So you do like her.

- Don't do it for me.
- I mean, yeah, I like her.

- In a romantic way?
- Yes.

- Have you dated women?
- No.

- Have you talked
to women online?

- Yes, I have.

- Does anyone know
that you're gay or--

- She's not gay.
- I'm not gay.

- Bi?
- I guess I'm bi.

- Does that feel good to just
at least admit that?

- Yup.
That's my coming out party.

- Good.
- Wow.

- What's gonna happen
with you guys now?

Would you like to stay friends?

- I would love
to be her friend.

- Okay.
What are your thoughts?

- No.
- That's fair.

- At the end of the day,
you have to keep in mind

that you hurt her.
- Yeah, I know. I hurt my boo.

- You know that what
you've been doing is wrong.

So get to work,
and in no time at all,

things can turn around.

- I'm gonna try, Nev.

- Is there anything
else right now?

- Nope.

♪ ♪

- Why don't we say goodbye?

- Thank you, Nev.
Go on, now.

- All right.
- Bye.

- Bye-bye.

♪ ♪

- Okay.

- I'm glad this is over.

- That was crazy that
you got her to admit...

- I'm just calling it
how I see it.

- That she liked you.

I guess that's that then.

- Absolutely.
- I have a feeling

we'll be hearing
from her again.

- Hey!
- What up?

- Red is in red.

- Wow.
- Once again.

- I like that color on you.

- I was talking about
the black hat.

What's up, girl?
How you doing?

- Oh, my...
- Oh.

- So cute. Anyway,
so what's going on with you?

- Talking to anybody new?
- No.

They're gonna have to
Skype me first.

- Or meet them in person.
- Right.

- So you're not talking
to a girl?

- And that profile, do we know
if that's still up?

- Oh, jeez.
- All right, we're gonna

call Ashley now, so--

- We will.

- Goodbye.

- Hello. Hey.
- Hello.

- What's going on?

- It's nice to see you again.

- So listen,
when we last spoke,

you told us you had a lot
of fake profiles, thousands.

Are you still using all those?

- Stop!

- I do think
you should try hard.

Doesn't sound
like you're trying.

- What are you doing
to try and stop?

- Some of them.
But not Jalissa.

- Look, as entertaining
as it might be to you,

it's bad behavior.

And it's hurtful.
And it's destructive.

And the person that gets hurt
the most is you.

- All right, good luck.
Try harder.

Get your stuff together,
and turn things around.

- For the last year, Alfred's
been talking to Adonis.

- He's been there.
He's supported me.

It's like peace.

- Who is it?
- [bleep] [bleep].

- Who is this?
- Get in your car.

Go home. Bitch.
- [bleep].

- Come on. Come on. Come on.
Guys, guys.

- Stop. Stop. Let go.
Let go, Alfred.

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