Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 7, Episode 35 - Matthew & Chance - full transcript

- We got a very special
co-host this week.

Super talented actress,
Kimiko Glenn.

- Oh, I'm so nervous.

- I'd feel that Chance
is that right one.

- Uh-oh.
- Oh, my God.

Were we just blocked?
- What?

- There's something definitely

amiss about this guy.

- I want some answers.

- Chance could be the most

thorough, sophisticated,



convincing catfish
we ever had.

[dramatic music]

- Hey, guys, Nev here
and we're back

with a brand new batch
of all new "Catfish" episodes.

Let's do it!

We've been making this show
for over seven years,

we've done over 125 episodes,

- You're a coward, man!
- And what's amazing is,

we're still encountering things
we've never seen before.

"He was dead
for a couple days."

What?
- Everybody in Hawaii

is in on this.
- ♪ What we see ♪

♪ Is just the tip
of the iceberg ♪

- New ways to fall in love.



We've never had two hopefulshook up.

- You just lied
about so much [bleep].

- And new what-the-[bleep]
firsts that are going

to completely flip the script
on what you think

you know about "Catfish."

- He has a twin?
- An identical twin?

So join me
and all our favorite co-hosts.

- Are we gonna get jumped?
- Oh, my God.

- To dive headfirst into
an all new season of episodes,

each with a unique
Catfish First.

- ♪ What we see is just
the tip of the iceberg ♪

♪ ♪

- I'm very excited.
My co-host this episode

is the super talented actress
Kimiko Glenn.

Hey!
- Hi.

How's it going?
- What's up?

- [indistinct]

- Kimiko Glenn is
an award-winning actress

who played Brook Soso
on the hit series

"Orange Is the New Black."

She's a movie star,
a Broadway performer,

an incredibly singer and now
a "Catfish" co-host.

- You've done lots of stuff.

- I have a really impressive
résumé.

- You have an impressive résumé
but I do feel like

you're still known primarily
for "Orange is The New Black."

- Oh, yeah.
- And I think it's time to,

like, break free from that.
- Uh-huh.

- So I have a little plan here.

Okay, so...
- [laughing]

So this is you.
- Okay.

- In Netflix prison.
- Mm-hmm.

- We're gonna get you out.
I'm waiting here...

- Aww.
- In my MTV car.

- Netflix prison.
That's so good.

- Thank you.
All right.

- I'm really excited.
- You watch the show?

- I do watch the show.
- So this is your camera.

- Nice.
- I've never seen anyone

hold a camera like that.
[laughter]

Should we see who needs
our help?

- Yes, please.
- All right, here we go.

- "Dear team Nev."
I like that.

- Nice.
- "My name is Matthew.

"I'm 29 years old,
currently living in Atlanta...

"I met someone online
three years ago.

"His name is Chance.

"He's 31 and he lives
in New York.

"Chance and I met when
our mutual friend,

Barbie, passed away."

- ♪ Hummingbird ♪

♪ Do you feel anything ♪

- "When I posted about her,
Chance commented on it.

Chance seemed to care as much
as I did so I sent him a DM."

- ♪ Let's be friends,
hummingbird ♪

- "We swapped numbers
and started texting

and talking every day."
- Hmm.

- ♪ All I've ever wanted ♪

- "Started falling hard
and I thought we'd meet soon

"'cause Chance comes
to Atlanta all the time.

"Every time he's here
he lets me know.

"But when I'm ready to meet,
it's always,

'Oh, my car broke down,'
or 'my root canal came out.'"

♪ ♪

- A root canal came out?
- That sounds like a filling.

- Yeah.
- "Then he said he wanted

"to move down to Atlanta,

"so I helped him look
for a job and an apartment,

but all of a sudden he says
it won't work out."

- ♪ Do you feel anything,
hummingbird? ♪

- "I thought we'd finally
get to meet in person,

"but he's not doing that

and he won't even
FaceTime with me."

- That's a red flag.

- "Chance has shown me
feelings and vibes

I have not felt in years."

- ♪ Stay a little bit,
take a hit ♪

♪ While the sun's out ♪

- "I've been saving myself
for him.

Hope you guys can help."

- Now does he mean I've been
saving myself for him...

- Or since they started talking
he's stopped

having sex.
- Yeah, like, he's exclusive.

- Let's call Matthew.

[ringing]

- Hey, man.
- Hi, how's it going?

- This is Kimiko.
- Yeah.

- She's gonna be
helping us out.

- What's going on?

- So tell us a little bit
more about you.

What do you do in Atlanta?

- Right now I'm doing
accounting,

but I was doing
law enforcement.

- Wow!
You were in law enforcement?

- I'm a Deputy Sheriff.

- Wait a second, so, like,
you know about

background checks
and investigations.

Like, can you use some
of your police know-how

in this situation?

- Well, it's kind of illegal.

You cannot use, like,
government sources

to do a background check
on people.

- He plays by the rules.
- Right, that's true.

Well, you said in your email
that you met this guy, Chance.

- Yes.
Chance and I,

we ended up meeting
under one of my posts.

And from there
we went to texting

and then it
just started picking up.

The more we started talking
more on a daily level,

found out we had more things
in common,

We're both twins.

My twin ended up dying
after birth.

- He has a twin?
- Yeah, Chance is a twin.

We found out we were twins,
we found out, like,

we both, you know,
have a thing for both sexes.

Just the more personal we got,
the more I started catching

more and more feelings.

Chance is like,
"Yeah, I'm down to meet."

We can meet when I come
to Atlanta."

But something miraculously
happens.

Either, "Oh, my car got hit,"

or it's like,
"Oh, my root canal came out."

- You're a smart guy
who has dealt with

criminals and people who lie.

Doesn't it feel
kind of like BS?

- The excuses don't add up,
but when Chance was like,

"Yeah, I'm thinking about
moving to Atlanta,"

that was something that
literally

won me over right there.

Those type of things were
just leading me

to believe more that there's
a possible chance that we will

actually build something
together.

- Now, this "Been saving myself
for him..."

- Yeah?
- Was that for Chance?

- That's to keep myself
preserved

for that right person.

Someone that I could actually
see myself

building a whole future
or whole family with.

And honestly,
I feel that Chance

would be that right one.

- Wow, I feel like we should
meet up and we should dig in.

- Yeah.
- We should go to Atlanta

and then have an excuse
why we can't meet up.

- Yeah.
[laughter]

- All right, Matt.
We'll see you soon.

Bye.
- Bye.

- Bye.
- All right,

are you ready to go to Atlanta?
- Yeah!

[upbeat music]

- Okay, we made it
to the airport.

There she is.

- ♪ And I've seen you,
you know what, I see you ♪

♪ But you're a
hey, heartbreaker ♪

- We're good.
- ♪ Hey, heartbreaker ♪

♪ Hey, heartbreaker ♪

♪ Yes, you, heartbreaker ♪

♪ Hey, heartbreaker ♪

♪ Hey, heartbreaker ♪

- Why would you...
- Come to Atlanta so often...

- Right.
- Visit friends

and not this really special,
special friend.

- Right, it's suspicious.

Here we are.

Matt's house.

[knocks]
Oh.

Hey, sorry, I--
- What's going on? Come on up.

- Hi.
- Breaking and entering.

- What's up, buddy?
- What up, my man?

- Big guy.
- Yes.

- Where can we sit?
Over here?

So what's a guy like you,
handsome,

smart guy with a good job,

good head on his shoulders,
doing with some guy

who can't show up?
Like, I don't get it.

- First, I thought, like,
some of the reasons Chance

was not showing up is because
Chance is a trans man.

- Okay.
- I kind of thought--

- Okay, whoa, whoa.
Sorry.

This is a big piece
of information.

Can you go back and explain

how you became aware of that?

- Well, like, on social media

I would see, like, a little
hashtag that was FTM.

- Like female to male,
male to female?

- Yeah, and I didn't have
a problem with it or anything

but I know sometimes
it's hard for people to,

you know, talk about that.

And I kind of thought that
was one of the reasons

behind Chance not showing up.

- What if Chance is just not
ready to meet you because he's

not comfortable yet
with his body?

- I did consider that,

and, of something like that,
I'm very understanding.

That's something personal
that you're going through

to make you become the person
that you want to

be fully.

But I feel that from Instagram
it looks like...

I mean, I don't know what
more Chance could be doing.

Like, the facial hair

and then on the phone
you hear the voice,

the voice like, [deep voice]
"Yeah, what's up?

This, this, or that."
Like...

- Does he know that you
would be into that

or okay with that?
- Yeah, we discussed that

prior 'cause to me it's cool
and I was, like,

very receptive to it.

- How deep have things gone?

Like, do you consider yourself
together?

- Yeah, like, I'll wake up to,
like a "good morning" text

and I'm just sitting there,
like, waking up smiling.

And we text all day every day.

- How often do you talk
on the phone?

- Maybe once or twice a day
sometimes?

- Wait, what?
That's a lot.

- Yeah.
- Not texting, like talking.

- Like talking, yeah.
We'll talk.

- Oh, my God.

Sounds like then you guys
are in a relationship.

- Yes, that is something
that I would like

and now that it's coming down
to, like, okay,

Chance wanted
to move to Atlanta

and I helped Chance
with the résumé,

I helped Chance looking up
different jobs here.

It's like a possibility
of a relationship

when Chance gets here
to Atlanta.

- Right. He says he's
in Atlanta pretty often.

When he talks about being
down here

is he referencing specific
things or places?

- Yeah. We were supposed
to meet up

at Magic City one time.
- The famous strip club?

- Yeah, and I end up going
up there to Magic City.

Took a Uber up there
and that's when

the root canal came out.
- The "root canal"?

- I mean, come on.
You've got to know

that some of this stuff
is bogus.

- That right there,
that's when

I reached out for help.
- Right.

- And then, like,
even more recently

I've been trying to find Chance

on social media
and there's no Chance.

Like--
- Wait.

- What you mean by that?

- I can't get
to Chance's profile.

- Wait, on Instagram anymore?
- On Instagram.

- Did he block you?
- I asked Chance.

I'm like, "Hey,"
I'm like, I can't get--"

And he's like, "Well, no,
did you block me?"

- And I'm like, "No."

I was like,
"Well, check your block list."

- Whoa.
Wait, so how long

have you been blocked?
- Almost two weeks now.

- Did the social media
disappear

at a certain time
that you remember?

Like, you had a conversation
or something.

- Well, I made a joke,
and I was just like,

"If you don't come down
this weekend,

I'm gonna call 'Catfish.'"

Chance was like,
"Mm-hmm, go ahead."

- Ooh.
- Yeah.

- I gotta see this guy.
Kimiko, you have your phone.

- Yeah.
- Let's see if we can find him.

- It's [bleep] Chance [bleep].

- I know, I'm so curious.

- Oh.
Wait, there he is.

So he's definitely still up.

Oh, okay, that's him.
- Mm-hmm.

- All right, so what about
just your text conversations?

Can we just see that
for a second?

So you guys text a lot.
This is only in the last month.

- One month.
- Okay. "Hey, good morning."

You said, "You know donuts
are the way to my heart.

Ooh.
- [laughs]

- And then he said,
"Oh, this pic is for you.

"You have me smiling
like a little kid

in the candy store."
Aww.

Wow, very flirty.
- Yes.

- You seem like you're ready
to, like,

quickly move
into a serious relationship.

- I don't want to do anything
with anyone until

I'm with that right one.

And I do feel that Chance
is that right one.

- All right,
we got our marching orders.

- Thank you for stopping by.
- Thank you.

- Send us everything you have.
- Yes.

- Hopefully
we'll figure this out.

- Thank you.

- Okay, well, we got our work
cut out for us.

- I like Matt.
I want to believe

that it's gonna work out.

There's a chance.
- There is a chance.

- But there's something
definitely

amiss about this guy.

- What's up with him
getting blocked?

- That is a telltale sign.
- Well, he said he was

gonna reach out to "Catfish"

and then he gets blocked.
- Yeah. Yeah.

- I just want to know
what Chance is hiding.

- Okay, what do we got?

Matthew's talking to Chance
for three years.

Matthew is excited because
Chance, who lives in New York,

is gonna come down
to Atlanta,

Matthew even tried to help
Chance find a job in Atlanta

but Chance always had
some excuse not to come.

- Chance has a twin.
That's an important

part of the puzzle.
- You're right.

- I think.
We'll find out.

- All right, so Matthew sent us

all the info we need.
Here's his phone number.

"He was born Leslie
but goes by Chance Armani."

- Mm-hmm.
- "I'm still blocked.

"But here's his Instagram.

I also attached Chance's résumé
that I helped him with."

Wow, we've never had
someone's résumé.

- Yeah.
- That's, like, perfect.

- This is the name
he put on it.

Leslie [bleep].
Interesting.

That's probably still
his legal name.

- Yeah.
- So here's his résumé.

Work experience: United States
Postal Service.

Oh, look.
A supervisor.

Brianna--I mean, we
could--that's crazy.

- Should we call Brianna?

- We could not ask for a better

piece of information

then a résumé
with former bosses

who we can call
as references.

All right, let's see.

[busy call tone]

- Oh, no.
- Busy?

How can you even get a busy?

I haven't heard that in
so long.

- That's so weird.
- All right.

Well, let's try
another résumé item.

He said he worked for
the New York Police Department?

As an auxiliary officer?

- Yeah.
- Let's try the New York City

Police Department?
Officer Yvonne Graham.

Let's call her.
I mean, I'm--you know,

I'm a New Yorker.
I live in Brooklyn.

- Yeah, you got this.

- Okay.
[busy tone]

- Whoa.
- What?

Let's look up Yvonne Graham's
phone number.

This is very strange.

Whoa...Yvonne [bleep].

Same last name as Chance.

- Oh, my gosh.
- Wait a second.

Leslie [bleep] is a relative.
- [gasps]

- That's Chance.
We're on to something.

- What is this?
Age 57.

So this could be his mom.
- Okay.

- Wait, so this is bull[bleep]
then?

- Mm-hmm.
- Because that means he gave

the phone number for his mom
as a reference.

It could all be a lie.

- We gotta look
a little further into this.

- Elizabeth, Leslie, and John.

Jamaica, New York.
- And that's his twin.

'Cause 32, 32.
- [gasps]

Elizabeth--
God, you're so great!

- It's almost like
I've been doing this

as long as you, if not longer.
- Oh, my God, you're right.

So Elizabeth is the twin.

All right,
so his Police Officer

supervisor Yvonne--
- His mom.

- What's crazy
is if I were Matthew

and he gave me
all this information

I would not
second guess it.

It feels very legit.

- I mean, don't we all lie
a little bit on our résumés.

- But if he lied on his résumé,

he could be lying
about everything.

Chance could be the most
thorough, sophisticated,

convincing Catfish we ever had.

- I just wish that someone
could say, "Yes, he exists,"

or something.
- Right.

- I want to go
to his social media.

- I know, I was thinking let's
go check out his Instagram.

So here's his page.
We're not blocked.

These are nice pictures.

- And who's that?
- Hasina says,

"Stranger, hit me up!"

Sounds like she knows him.

Okay, let's message
this person.

All right,
message sent to Hasina.

- Should we try and see
if his Facebook is...

- Find his Facebook?
- Yeah.

Let's look up Leslie [bleep]

or Chance.

[tense music]

- Nothing for Leslie.
So what about Chance Armani?

Oh!
- Ooh.

- Is that him?
- Yeah!

- Jamaica, New York.
- Yeah.

These are recent photos, too.

The weird thing to me is,
why is Matthew blocked--

[phone ringing]

[whispering indistinctly]
Hello?

- That was so fast.
Thanks for calling me

back so quickly.

We're looking for
your friend Chance.

Can you just tell us
how you know him?

- Okay, so you've never
hung out in person?

- Oh, well, we're trying
to help

a young man
who lives in Atlanta.

He kept trying to meet him
but it wasn't happening.

- Magic City...
- I think it was, like,

Randa or Wanda.
- Okay.

- She might do hair there
I think.

- Oh, okay.
Well, thank you so much.

- All right.
- Bye.

Interesting.
Matt said that he was gonna

meet Chance at Magic City.

- Should we try and find

Magic City Wanda or Randa?

- Magic City adult
entertainment club.

I mean, I guess we could call.
It's a little early.

Let's see if anyone answers.

[line trilling]

- Yes, hi.
This is Nev.

Who's this?

- Are you familiar
with the show "Catfish"?

- Aww, thanks so much.
[laughter]

Well, we are in Atlanta now,
trying to help a young man

who's been talking to someone
who might have a friend

who works there
named Randa or Wanda?

They might do, like, hair?

- Sheranda, okay.

- Do you happen to know any way
to get in touch with her?

- All right,
let's see if we can find that.

We're doing it right now.
Oh, here we go.

Randa.
Randa [bleep].

- Great,
well this was super helpful.

Thank you so much.
Bye.

- Great.
Now we gotta hit this woman up

because if she's friends
with Chance

she should be able
to tell us something.

This is Nev from "Catfish."
My co-host desperately needs

a new hairstyle.

[laughter]
- Stop...

- Message sent to Randa.
All right.

We got some good leads.
- Yeah.

[phone ringing]

- Hello.

- Sheranda!
Hi--yes.

- We're doing an episode now,
and we're trying to help

a young man who lives
in Atlanta

who has been talking
to your friend Chance.

- Oh, um, you might know him
as Leslie.

- Okay. Hmm. Weird.
[disconnection beeps]

- She's quick to get
off the phone.

That's suspicious.
- What's going on?

Something about
that conversation

leads me to believe
that there's more information

we're not getting.

Yeah, let's go back
to his Facebook page.

How come I'm not seeing it now?

Uh-oh.

- Oh, my God.
Were we just blocked?

Oh, no!
- Randa probably told Chance

and Chance blocked us.
- [bleep].

Clearly something's up here.

Seems like Chance is aware
that we're sniffing around.

- They're hiding something.

- This guy is
making up lots of stuff,

his résumé, the phone numbers,
disappear on people.

Maybe Chance is just some sort
of con artist.

This story just keeps
getting weirder and weirder.

[upbeat hip-hop music]

♪ ♪

- Hey, guys.
- What's up?

All right, well.
How you feeling about all this?

Did you get your, like,
"good morning" text today?

- No, but I know that his dad
was in the hospital.

- Oh.
- Just waiting to see

what's going on.

I'm ready to find out
something good.

- Yeah.
- So, I wish

we had specific answers

but now I almost feel like
we just kind of have

new questions.
- [chuckles]

Let's get to it.
- All right, well,

so we went to the résumé
you sent us.

Feels very legitimate--
the jobs, the supervisors

with names and phone numbers.
- Yes.

- So we just thought,
let's call his references

and see if anyone
can, like, vouch for him.

- Okay.
- So we started with

his most recent job
at the post office.

We called this number,
and then we got a busy signal.

- Like a fax number?
- Like,

[together]
Beep, beep, beep.

- I haven't heard a busy signal
in years.

- The '90s.
- Right.

So we thought
that was kind of weird.

So then we were like, okay,

what about this
police department position?

So we called that number.
We got the same thing.

A busy signal.
Weird.

And then when we looked up
the phone number for Yvonne,

the police department,
it came back Yvonne [bleep].

Chance's name is
Leslie [bleep].

- Yes.
- The same last name.

- Yeah.
- We looked at

Yvonne's profile on here

and it had some relatives.

Elizabeth, 32, and Leslie, 32.

- Elizabeth must be
his twin sister.

- She has to be.
- But more importantly,

police officer supervisor
Yvonne--

- Is his mom.
- That means he gave

the phone number for his mom
as a reference.

Which is crazy.
It could all be bull[bleep].

- You know, now you have me
thinking, like,

what's really going on?
- Mm-hmm.

- So then we looked through
his Instagram...

- Mm-hmm.
- And we found

this girl Hasina.
We messaged her.

Hasina called us and we asked
how they knew each other.

She said, "Well, we kind of
just know each other

through Instagram."

She also said he talks
about Atlanta a lot.

He's always talking about
some friend at the Magic City.

- Mm.
- And you had mentioned that--

- Magic City.
- Supposed to meet him up

so we were like,
"Whoa. Who's the friend?"

- Okay.
- And she was like, "Well,

"I think it's like Wanda,

or Randa
or something like that."

Hasina said, like, "I think
his friend that works there

is, like, a hairdresser."
- Okay.

- We called Magic City,
and they kind of confirmed

that there was a Sheranda,
kind of pointed us

to her Instagram.
- Right.

Do you know this person?
- Mm-mm.

- We reached out to her
and she called...

- Okay.
- And was kind of short.

- Right, she was like,
"What is this about?"

And she said,
"I don't know Chance.

I'm busy, I'm at work,
I gotta go, bye."

So that's a little
suspicious.

- [wry chuckle]
- Yeah, that's weird.

- Is Randa covering for Chance?

Or was she weirded out
and didn't wanna, like,

say the wrong thing?

- That's weird.

[sighs]
I want some answers.

- I think we should call
Chance.

- I think so.
- See if he answers.

- Oh, lord.
- All right.

[line trilling]

- You have reached
the voice mailbox of 347--

- I'm gonna send a text.

♪ ♪

Blue.
Delivered.

- Come on, Chance.
I want those dots to pop up.

- Is that--uh--
[phone ringing]

- I don't know who that is.
Is this Chance?

Hello.

- Oh, yeah, hey.
How you doing?

- I understand.

- Yeah, we can meet you there.

All right, great. Bye.

Whoa, what are the odds
she calls

right after we text Chance?

Is she in on this?
- Yeah.

- She has more to say for sure.
We should just go meet Randa.

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

- All right, let's roll out.

[tense music]

- How you feeling?
- I don't know.

- It's like, I want to see
what she has to say.

- Prepare yourself
for anything.

- What do we need to know
from Randa?

- What does she know
about Chance?

Is Chance actually in Atlanta

when, you know, he says
he's in Atlanta?

- She's got some connection
to him for sure.

- Yeah.
- Is Randa in on this?

Or is she, like,
covering for him somehow?

- I don't know.
Just--I would kind of

want to get a vibe
off what she says.

Skin...
There's something with skin.

- Oh, yeah.
Skin spa.

Right.
That must be it.

- You ready?
- As ready as I can get.

- Let's get in there.

[tense music]

Hi.
- Hi.

- We're looking for Ron-da.
- Randa.

- Randa, excuse me.
Nice to meet you.

- Nice to meet you too.
- This is Kimiko.

- Hi.
- Hi, Kimiko.

- And this is Matt.
- Hello, nice to meet you.

- Nice to meet you.
- So yeah, we were just really

excited that
you called us back--

- Right.
- And wanted to sort of

just hear you out--
- Hear me out?

- Well--
- You guys contacted me.

I'm curious to know why.
- We're here to just

kind of get some questions
answered.

- So Matthew has been talking
to a guy named Chance

for, like,
the last three years.

Chance had mentioned to him
that he was thinking about

moving down to Atlanta because
he comes down here a lot

and Matthew was gonna help him
find a job and get settled

into an apartment
and, you know, who knows?

- I'm sorry.
It's, like, real confusing...

- I understand, there's a lot.

Yeah, right.
- As to why Matthew

would want to contact "Catfish"

for Chance.
- Matt really wants

to meet Chance.
- Why?

- Matt was thinking it could

turn into something more.

- I'm Chance's girlfriend.
- Oh.

- Oh.
- Chance had never mentioned

that he had a girlfriend.
- Never?

- No,
I know at one point Chance

was talking to someone here.

That was, like,
a long time ago, though.

- Okay.
- How long have you guys

been dating?
- We've been talking

about 2 years, 2 1/2 years.

- Is there a reason that Chance

wouldn't have mentioned

to Matt
that he has a girlfriend?

- I mean--
[uncomfortable laugh]

I don't really know
what to tell you.

- So is Chance in New York?
- Yeah.

- That's where he lives.
- He's in New York now.

- 'Cause he always say
he's in Atlanta.

- With me.
He's always with me

when he comes here.

- We would like to meet him.

- He's going through
a rough time right now.

- I know his father's
in the hospital.

- Yes, it's very bad timing.
- Yeah.

- Forgive me for asking,
but are you trying to get us

not to meet up with Chance?

- Okay, I'm sorry--what--
what does that matter, though?

You know, that's what
I'm trying to get at.

I'm Chance's girlfriend.

Why, um...why you want
to contact Chance?

- 'Cause they've been trying
to meet up for a long time.

- I just wanted to see
what was the reason.

I don't want to be rude
or any--like, you know.

I'm not a disrespectful
type of person or anything.

- Right.

- Well, look, if you talk
to Chance

let him know we'd love to go up
to New York and meet him.

- Okay.
- Okay.

I will thank you.

We'll hopefully hear
from him soon.

- Thank you.

♪ ♪

- How you feeling?

- Whew.
That was a lot.

- Well, yeah.
It kind of felt off.

It's like, how do we know
that's really his girlfriend?

- Yeah.
It's like, wow.

- Is she telling the truth?
Are you upset with Chance?

- I'm confused.

- If Chance has feelings
for you--

You guys are supposed to be
so close

and tell each other
everything,

and here he has this girl
that he's never mentioned.

- I don't want to be, like,
fully upset and not know

if she could have just been
saying that.

- I have a feeling
she's trying to get us

not to go meet this guy.
- Yeah.

- I want to know
the true truth.

- I have no update
unfortunately.

- Really?

- I don't think we're getting
the whole story.

- Well, definitely not.

- Something about Randa

saying, like, "Oh, yeah,
Chance, that's my boyfriend."

I think there's a possibility
that she was covering.

Like, that may have
all been BS.

- I mean, that's a possibility.

- It's just, like,
a little convenient

that she gave us
this, like, perfect--

"It's all true, he's my
boyfriend," like, I don't know.

- Chance has some explaining
to do.

- I think we gotta just
try calling him.

[line trilling]

[tense music]

♪ ♪

- Yeah, good morning.
Is this Chance?

- Hey, it's Nev calling.

[dramatic sting]

So, um...

- Oh, I'm so sorry.
Did your father pass away?

So...
- Wow, okay.

I'm really sorry.

- I don't really know
what to say right now.

I guess we'll sort
of have to regroup

and when you're up for it
we could all go meet up.

Hm.

Oy.
- That's...

- I mean...

We've had people give
crazy excuses not to meet up.

- I don't want to assume that.

- I don't either, but...
- That's really dark.

- So what do we do?

- I mean, we've heard
crazy excuses

of people dying
all the time.

Maybe this was an excuse,

but I think we should
pause this.

- Right.
That's a first for us.

We've never done that.
- Yes.

- I guess there's a version
of meeting up with him

when Chance is up for it.
- Mm-hmm.

- Let's call Matt.

[line trilling]

- Hey, Matt.
We just talked to Chance.

Did he tell you
that his dad died?

- I don't know if that's true
or not but if it is,

it doesn't feel like now

is really an appropriate time

to kind of show up

and put him on TV.

- We should all just meet up.

- Then why don't we just meet
you over there?

- We'll see you soon.
Bye.

- Hello, hello.
- Hello.

- Welcome back.

- How are you feeling?
- Lost.

My mind is kind of all over
because I was expecting

to meet Chance,

and then I get hit
with bad news

and it was just like
a flashback and a replay

of every time
we're supposed to meet.

- We've had people lie
on the show

who were in Chance's position,

who were afraid to meet,

and made up some wild stuff.

But...

I think we have to assume
that that's true.

- I don't think
they would just lie about...

- Right.
- That because that would be--

that would be harsh.

At the same time,

I still want to meet Chance.

- Maybe he is down to meet.

Um, just maybe not now.

- Do you think you can

put your feelings
about all this

on ice at least
for the next couple weeks

while he deals with his dad
grieving, and then...

- I'm very--
- Try to pick back up.

Never done that before,
but...

that's our last real option.

- I just hope he does still
agree to meet up.

- Rest assured, we won't stop
till we figure this out.

♪ ♪

- One...

- Chance?
Hold on a second.

♪ ♪

- And you're down to meet up
in New York?

- Okay, so let me--
let me make the arrangements,

let me call Matt,
get him up to New York,

and Kimiko,
and we can all meet up.

- All right, great.
Thanks, man.

- Yep. Whoa.

- I'm surprised he called back
to continue.

That's crazy.
Isn't that crazy?

- Right, so let me call Matt

and see what he knows
or doesn't know.

[line trilling]
Hey, Matt.

- I just got a call
from Chance.

- He said if you want to meet,
he's ready to meet.

[electronic music]

- Hey, Kimiko, what's up?

- Remember Chance?
He just called me.

He's finally ready.

- Matt's very excited,
obviously.

Tomorrow, we should finally...

[laughs] Figure this all out.

- Right?

- All right, bye.

- ♪ Yeah ♪

- Going to JFK.
[laughs]

- What's up?
Look at us.

Reunited.

- I know at last.
- We're back--back on the case.

- How you feeling, Nev?
- I'm excited.

- Oh, there he is.
Hi!

- There he is!
- Hey.

- Hello.
[laughs]

- We have so much
to talk about.

Where are things
with you and Chance?

- I don't know
where they're at

because with Chance's father
passing...

- Right.
- The communication from there

was, like, just kind of scarce.

I was, you know, checking
like "Hey, how are you doing?"

Like, "Are you good?"
- Sure.

- And I would get, like,

one- or two-word responses.
- Right.

- And do you know for sure

that the dad died?

- I don't know for sure,

but it was just so coincidental

that that happened,

you know, at the time
when we're supposed

to try to meet up.
- Right.

If he lied about everything,

this guy is one
of the craziest catfish liars

I think we've ever seen.

All right, I think it's just
down this street

here somewhere.

- [sighs]
- Oh, wait, there it is.

I'll pull over.
- Oh, my gosh.

- My heart is, like, racing.
[laughs]

This is it.

- Ah, here we are.

- All right, let's do it.

[suspenseful music]

- Whew.

- All right.

♪ ♪

Oh.

[suspenseful music]

♪ ♪

- Oh.

What's up?
- What's up?

- How you doing?
- What's going on?

How are you?
- Nice to meet you.

- Nice to meet you, too.

- Uh...
- Wow.

- This is Matthew,
as you know.

- What's up, Matt?

- What's going on?
- Yeah.

Ah...

- So I know this is not
easy for you,

and I appreciate
you being here,

but clearly, we are here
for the main reason,

which is that you guys
have been talking for a while,

and in an effort to clear up
any loose ends,

your dad did pass away, right?

- Yes.

- Okay, I'm really sorry.
- Yes.

- I can understand

not wanting to deal
with all this right now.

- I'm doing all right.

- That's good.

- So we have some questions.

- Yes.
- You'd been in Atlanta

a few times.
- Yeah, I was in Atlanta

a few times,
visiting my girlfriend.

[dramatic sting]

- Sheranda.
You guys are...

- You guys are together.
- Exclusive.

- Yes, we are.
So...

- Which came as a bit
of a surprise

to Matthew,
'cause you had never mentioned

having a girlfriend.

- I mean, you should've, like,

kind of figured it out.

- Figured it out?

- Is it crazy that Matthew

was under the impression
that there was attraction

and a potential for something
to happen between you guys?

- Well, through texts
and stuff, like, it--

like, every day, we'll send
little stuff here and there

but it's like, you know,
I do that with everybody.

- In my mind, I'm like,
"Oh, when he gets to Atlanta,

"maybe it could be
something more.

"Or we can get to know
each other more, you know.

"Who knows what can,
you know, transpire

once he gets to Atlanta."

- Well, I mean,
you should've, like,

kind of got the hint

when you would send me,
like, messages like...

and I wouldn't
really respond to it.

- But you did neglect to say
that you had a girlfriend.

- True.
- [sighs]

- Just feels weird to me,
'cause, like,

if you live in New York

and you're talking to someone
who lives in Atlanta

and you're talking
pretty often,

and then you tell him
you're gonna come down

to Atlanta
and you wanna see him...

- Yeah, like, I--
- To me, that sounds

like you are giving
very clear signals

that you like that person.
- No, you're--you're saying,

like, I want to see him.

I'd be like,
you know, "We should meet up."

- Well, sure.
- Don't say it like...

- Well--
- Don't say it like that.

- Okay, well, why don't
we go inside and sit--

- Yeah, please.
- And--yeah.

Let's--let's do that.

Okay, well, yeah, Matt,
hold this--wait one second.

Kimiko, you go in
and settle in for a second.

- Okay.

- I just don't feel
like he's being fair...

- Mm-hmm.
- And, like, kind of making it

almost feel like
I gave you signals.

Like, what is that?
That's bull[bleep].

I just don't want to see you
let him, like...

- Run over.
- Just--yeah.

Just sort of, like, disregard
all this [bleep]...

- Yeah.
- That you felt,

and that he said,
and that, like, happened,

because, like, he doesn't wantto admit

that he had feelings for you.
- Yeah.

- You weren't
romantically involved

with Matt at all?

- Uh, no.

- I mean, we saw
some text messages,

and it seemed pretty flirty
back and forth.

- I wasn't.

It wasn't like that at all.

You know, I don't want
to date a dude.

- So you don't date men at all?
- Mm-mm.

- Oh, okay.

- No.
- We were under the impression

that you were bisexual.

- That's not true.
He lied.

That's not true.

- Okay.

- You know, now I'm mad
about that,

because that's...

- I didn't mean
to make you mad.

- That's not, like...
- Yeah.

- Wow.

- I just don't feel like
we're getting the whole story.

- Yeah, there's something
going on,

but it's just...
- Right.

- How do we get that?

I'm like, "How do I get that
out of him?"

- Right.
Let's see what he has to say.

- [sighs]

- All right.

Much better in here.
- Mm-hmm.

- Mm.

So you're telling
these people

that I'm bisexual, Matthew?

- Well, I know in the past,

you've dated men and women.
- I don't...

I mean, if...

Matthew, I'm just really upset

about you giving these people

think--having them think

that I'm bisexual.

It's kind of coming off
confusing.

- You would do, like,
the heart eyes.

- Right, the heart eyes.Well...

- Yeah, and all that,
and that was like,

kind of drawing me in
even more.

- Listen, I'm never
gonna date you.

- Why, then, were you talking
to him at all?

This is the first time
it's been clear to you

that he likes you?
- Yes, this is the first time.

- Really? Wow.
- Yep.

- It seems
there's a couple issues here

that amazingly,
hadn't been brought up

until now.

One is that
you're not bisexual,

but you were having

a very flirtatious
relationship.

You're intentionally
not mentioning a girlfriend

when you could easily,

because you're trying
to kind of maintain

a possible

romantic relationship.
- No.

No. I--you know, I blocked you

on Instagram, dude,
and it's like--

- That was only recently.

- Whatever, but--
- You seem upset.

I'm not getting that,
because, like,

if the worst thing
this guy has done

has been really liked you,

and, like, hoped to be
in a relationship with you,

then, like, can you be
a little nicer to him

and, like--
- I am being nice to him.

- No, I feel like
you're not being nice to him,

which is weird, because, like,
what's the big deal?

He--so he has a crush on you.

- He's a catfish himself.You are.

- You know
how you're a catfish.

- How?

- I mean...

- You're not a catfish at all?
- No.

- So what is this?

What is it?
- Oh, my God.

- [bleep].
- Oh, wow.

Wow.
- [bleep]

Like, get the [bleep]
out of here.

I never told you I dated men.

That's nobody's
[bleep] business.

- What the [bleep]?

- You seem okay, considering

how aggressive
and [bleep] up that was.

Are you okay?
- Yeah, I'm okay.

- I don't understand
why he's so upset.

The worst thing that's happened
is that a sweet guy

has told him that he has
a crush on him.

I can't figure out
what his problem is.

Wanna go out there?
- Oh, my God.

All right.

[melancholy music]

Listen.
I was not expecting that.

I just want to know
what's making you so upset.

- It's a number of things,
you know.

I lost my father.

You know,
I'm on anxiety medication

because I'm having
panic attacks.

I'm--I'm stressed out.

I just felt like he wasn't
being, like, honest.

This bisexual stuff
pissed me off, you know?

But I want to apologize to him,
to Matthew.

[dramatic music]

[grunts]

[sighs]

- First of all,
what you did is wrong.

It's [bleep] up.

And if the worst thing
this guy has done

has been really liked you

and, like, hope to be
in a relationship with you,

then you're kind of
being a dick.

- I'm thinking the whole thing
with him assuming

that maybe I could be bisexual
or had relations with a man--

- Well, that's not weirdest
thing to think.

And I think you can understand
that that's not unreasonable.

- No, I mean, it's not.
- Right. Okay.

And physical altercation--

it's [bleep] up.
- Yeah.

♪ ♪

- I just want
to apologize to you

for being a, you know,
you know, a douchebag.

- I still--like, I'd never seen
that side of you--

that blowing up.

It was just like,
"What the [bleep]?"

- Right. Well, I'm sorry.

♪ ♪

- A lot to take in.

♪ ♪

[breathes deeply]

- Hopefully I didn't hurt
your scalp.

- No, I have
a scalp protector on.

- All right, but I am sorry.

- I'll accept that.

- How we feeling?

- I got the truth
and the answers that I--

I mean, I didn't, like, want
that exact answer,

but at least I know where
we stand as two individuals

and where to go forward
from here.

- We can all agree
that this relationship--

- Yeah, it's not gonna--
- It's done.

- Clearly.

- All right.
[inhales sharply]

- All right, later, man.
- All right.

[somber piano music]

That was interesting.

- Are you okay
with this being the end--

not talking to him anymore?

That has to happen. Like, you
got to move on from this.

- Yeah, I got what I needed,

and I'm ready to take my time
right now

and see what the future
might have in store for me.

- Right.
- But there's no chance at all

that I'll have a real chance
with Chance.

- Right.
- [chuckles]

[computer ringing]

- Hey!

- Hey, what's going on?
- Hi.

- What's up? Look at that nice,
clean haircut.

- Did you dye your hair?
- Oh, yeah.

I dyed my hair.
What do you think?

- Did the roots well.
- I like it--a lighter color.

- Matthew, what's going on
with you?

- I've been out a few times.

- Ooh.
- And...

it was a girl that I've been
out on a date with twice.

So that's good.

- Wow. All right.
And what about Chance?

Where did you leave things
with him?

- We had one conversation.

It was just, like, I think
more of, like, an apology.

- How do you feel now--Chance
is no longer in your life?

- I took it as a lesson,

and I learned my lesson.

- Right. All right, well, cool.
Good catching up with you, man.

- Same here.
- You deserve to find love.

So keep putting yourself
out there,

and you'll either find it,
or it'll find you.

- It will.
- [smooches] Bye, guys.

- See you.
- See you.

- Shirlene grew up
on a Navajo reservation,