Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 7, Episode 35 - Matthew & Chance - full transcript

- We got a very special co-host this week.
Super talented actress, Kimiko Glenn.
- Oh, I'm so nervous.
- I'd feel that Chance is that right one.
- Uh-oh. - Oh, my God.
Were we just blocked? - What?
- There's something definitely
amiss about this guy.
- I want some answers.
- Chance could be the most
thorough, sophisticated,
convincing catfish we ever had.
[dramatic music]
- Hey, guys, Nev here and we're back
with a brand new batch of all new "Catfish" episodes.
Let's do it!
We've been making this show for over seven years,
we've done over 125 episodes,
- You're a coward, man! - And what's amazing is,
we're still encountering things we've never seen before.
"He was dead for a couple days."
What? - Everybody in Hawaii
is in on this. - ♪ What we see ♪
♪ Is just the tip of the iceberg ♪
- New ways to fall in love.
We've never had two hopefulshook up.
All new deceptions.
- You just lied about so much [bleep].
- And new what-the-[bleep] firsts that are going
to completely flip the script on what you think
you know about "Catfish."
- He has a twin? - An identical twin?
So join me and all our favorite co-hosts.
- Are we gonna get jumped? - Oh, my God.
- To dive headfirst into an all new season of episodes,
each with a unique Catfish First.
- ♪ What we see is just the tip of the iceberg ♪
♪ ♪
- I'm very excited. My co-host this episode
is the super talented actress Kimiko Glenn.
Hey! - Hi.
How's it going? - What's up?
- [indistinct]
- Kimiko Glenn is an award-winning actress
who played Brook Soso on the hit series
"Orange Is the New Black."
She's a movie star, a Broadway performer,
an incredibly singer and now a "Catfish" co-host.
- You've done lots of stuff.
- I have a really impressive résumé.
- You have an impressive résumé but I do feel like
you're still known primarily for "Orange is The New Black."
- Oh, yeah. - And I think it's time to,
like, break free from that. - Uh-huh.
- So I have a little plan here.
Okay, so... - [laughing]
So this is you. - Okay.
- In Netflix prison. - Mm-hmm.
- We're gonna get you out. I'm waiting here...
- Aww. - In my MTV car.
- Netflix prison. That's so good.
- Thank you. All right.
- I'm really excited. - You watch the show?
- I do watch the show. - So this is your camera.
- Nice. - I've never seen anyone
hold a camera like that. [laughter]
Should we see who needs our help?
- Yes, please. - All right, here we go.
- "Dear team Nev." I like that.
- Nice. - "My name is Matthew.
"I'm 29 years old, currently living in Atlanta...
"I met someone online three years ago.
"His name is Chance.
"He's 31 and he lives in New York.
"Chance and I met when our mutual friend,
Barbie, passed away."
- ♪ Hummingbird ♪
♪ Do you feel anything ♪
- "When I posted about her, Chance commented on it.
Chance seemed to care as much as I did so I sent him a DM."
- ♪ Let's be friends, hummingbird ♪
- "We swapped numbers and started texting
and talking every day." - Hmm.
- ♪ All I've ever wanted ♪
- "Started falling hard and I thought we'd meet soon
"'cause Chance comes to Atlanta all the time.
"Every time he's here he lets me know.
"But when I'm ready to meet, it's always,
'Oh, my car broke down,' or 'my root canal came out.'"
♪ ♪
- A root canal came out? - That sounds like a filling.
- Yeah. - "Then he said he wanted
"to move down to Atlanta,
"so I helped him look for a job and an apartment,
but all of a sudden he says it won't work out."
- ♪ Do you feel anything, hummingbird? ♪
- "I thought we'd finally get to meet in person,
"but he's not doing that
and he won't even FaceTime with me."
- That's a red flag.
- "Chance has shown me feelings and vibes
I have not felt in years."
- ♪ Stay a little bit, take a hit ♪
♪ While the sun's out ♪
- "I've been saving myself for him.
Hope you guys can help."
- Now does he mean I've been saving myself for him...
- Or since they started talking he's stopped
having sex. - Yeah, like, he's exclusive.
- Let's call Matthew.
[ringing]
- Hey, man. - Hi, how's it going?
- This is Kimiko. - Yeah.
- She's gonna be helping us out.
- What's going on?
- So tell us a little bit more about you.
What do you do in Atlanta?
- Right now I'm doing accounting,
but I was doing law enforcement.
- Wow! You were in law enforcement?
- I'm a Deputy Sheriff.
- Wait a second, so, like, you know about
background checks and investigations.
Like, can you use some of your police know-how
in this situation?
- Well, it's kind of illegal.
You cannot use, like, government sources
to do a background check on people.
- He plays by the rules. - Right, that's true.
Well, you said in your email that you met this guy, Chance.
- Yes. Chance and I,
we ended up meeting under one of my posts.
And from there we went to texting
and then it just started picking up.
The more we started talking more on a daily level,
found out we had more things in common,
We're both twins.
My twin ended up dying after birth.
- He has a twin? - Yeah, Chance is a twin.
We found out we were twins, we found out, like,
we both, you know, have a thing for both sexes.
Just the more personal we got, the more I started catching
more and more feelings.
Chance is like, "Yeah, I'm down to meet."
We can meet when I come to Atlanta."
But something miraculously happens.
Either, "Oh, my car got hit,"
or it's like, "Oh, my root canal came out."
- You're a smart guy who has dealt with
criminals and people who lie.
Doesn't it feel kind of like BS?
- The excuses don't add up, but when Chance was like,
"Yeah, I'm thinking about moving to Atlanta,"
that was something that literally
won me over right there.
Those type of things were just leading me
to believe more that there's a possible chance that we will
actually build something together.
- Now, this "Been saving myself for him..."
- Yeah? - Was that for Chance?
- That's to keep myself preserved
for that right person.
Someone that I could actually see myself
building a whole future or whole family with.
And honestly, I feel that Chance
would be that right one.
- Wow, I feel like we should meet up and we should dig in.
- Yeah. - We should go to Atlanta
and then have an excuse why we can't meet up.
- Yeah. [laughter]
- All right, Matt. We'll see you soon.
Bye. - Bye.
- Bye. - All right,
are you ready to go to Atlanta? - Yeah!
[upbeat music]
- Okay, we made it to the airport.
There she is.
- ♪ And I've seen you, you know what, I see you ♪
♪ But you're a hey, heartbreaker ♪
- We're good. - ♪ Hey, heartbreaker ♪
♪ Hey, heartbreaker ♪
♪ Yes, you, heartbreaker ♪
♪ Hey, heartbreaker ♪
♪ Hey, heartbreaker ♪
- Why would you... - Come to Atlanta so often...
- Right. - Visit friends
and not this really special, special friend.
- Right, it's suspicious.
Here we are.
Matt's house.
[knocks] Oh.
Hey, sorry, I-- - What's going on? Come on up.
- Hi. - Breaking and entering.
- What's up, buddy? - What up, my man?
- Big guy. - Yes.
- Where can we sit? Over here?
So what's a guy like you, handsome,
smart guy with a good job,
good head on his shoulders, doing with some guy
who can't show up? Like, I don't get it.
- First, I thought, like, some of the reasons Chance
was not showing up is because Chance is a trans man.
- Okay. - I kind of thought--
- Okay, whoa, whoa. Sorry.
This is a big piece of information.
Can you go back and explain
how you became aware of that?
- Well, like, on social media
I would see, like, a little hashtag that was FTM.
- Like female to male, male to female?
- Yeah, and I didn't have a problem with it or anything
but I know sometimes it's hard for people to,
you know, talk about that.
And I kind of thought that was one of the reasons
behind Chance not showing up.
- What if Chance is just not ready to meet you because he's
not comfortable yet with his body?
- I did consider that,
and, of something like that, I'm very understanding.
That's something personal that you're going through
to make you become the person that you want to
be fully.
But I feel that from Instagram it looks like...
I mean, I don't know what more Chance could be doing.
Like, the facial hair
and then on the phone you hear the voice,
the voice like, [deep voice] "Yeah, what's up?
This, this, or that." Like...
- Does he know that you would be into that
or okay with that? - Yeah, we discussed that
prior 'cause to me it's cool and I was, like,
very receptive to it.
- How deep have things gone?
Like, do you consider yourself together?
- Yeah, like, I'll wake up to, like a "good morning" text
and I'm just sitting there, like, waking up smiling.
And we text all day every day.
- How often do you talk on the phone?
- Maybe once or twice a day sometimes?
- Wait, what? That's a lot.
- Yeah. - Not texting, like talking.
- Like talking, yeah. We'll talk.
- Oh, my God.
Sounds like then you guys are in a relationship.
- Yes, that is something that I would like
and now that it's coming down to, like, okay,
Chance wanted to move to Atlanta
and I helped Chance with the résumé,
I helped Chance looking up different jobs here.
It's like a possibility of a relationship
when Chance gets here to Atlanta.
- Right. He says he's in Atlanta pretty often.
When he talks about being down here
is he referencing specific things or places?
- Yeah. We were supposed to meet up
at Magic City one time. - The famous strip club?
- Yeah, and I end up going up there to Magic City.
Took a Uber up there and that's when
the root canal came out. - The "root canal"?
- I mean, come on. You've got to know
that some of this stuff is bogus.
- That right there, that's when
I reached out for help. - Right.
- And then, like, even more recently
I've been trying to find Chance
on social media and there's no Chance.
Like-- - Wait.
- What you mean by that?
- I can't get to Chance's profile.
- Wait, on Instagram anymore? - On Instagram.
- Did he block you? - I asked Chance.
I'm like, "Hey," I'm like, I can't get--"
And he's like, "Well, no, did you block me?"
- And I'm like, "No."
I was like, "Well, check your block list."
- Whoa. Wait, so how long
have you been blocked? - Almost two weeks now.
- Did the social media disappear
at a certain time that you remember?
Like, you had a conversation or something.
- Well, I made a joke, and I was just like,
"If you don't come down this weekend,
I'm gonna call 'Catfish.'"
Chance was like, "Mm-hmm, go ahead."
- Ooh. - Yeah.
- I gotta see this guy. Kimiko, you have your phone.
- Yeah. - Let's see if we can find him.
- It's [bleep] Chance [bleep].
- I know, I'm so curious.
- Oh. Wait, there he is.
So he's definitely still up.
Oh, okay, that's him. - Mm-hmm.
- All right, so what about just your text conversations?
Can we just see that for a second?
So you guys text a lot. This is only in the last month.
- One month. - Okay. "Hey, good morning."
You said, "You know donuts are the way to my heart.
Ooh. - [laughs]
- And then he said, "Oh, this pic is for you.
"You have me smiling like a little kid
in the candy store." Aww.
Wow, very flirty. - Yes.
- You seem like you're ready to, like,
quickly move into a serious relationship.
- I don't want to do anything with anyone until
I'm with that right one.
And I do feel that Chance is that right one.
- All right, we got our marching orders.
- Thank you for stopping by. - Thank you.
- Send us everything you have. - Yes.
- Hopefully we'll figure this out.
- Thank you.
- Okay, well, we got our work cut out for us.
- I like Matt. I want to believe
that it's gonna work out.
There's a chance. - There is a chance.
- But there's something definitely
amiss about this guy.
- What's up with him getting blocked?
- That is a telltale sign. - Well, he said he was
gonna reach out to "Catfish"
and then he gets blocked. - Yeah. Yeah.
- I just want to know what Chance is hiding.
- Okay, what do we got?
Matthew's talking to Chance for three years.
Matthew is excited because Chance, who lives in New York,
is gonna come down to Atlanta,
Matthew even tried to help Chance find a job in Atlanta
but Chance always had some excuse not to come.
- Chance has a twin. That's an important
part of the puzzle. - You're right.
- I think. We'll find out.
- All right, so Matthew sent us
all the info we need. Here's his phone number.
"He was born Leslie but goes by Chance Armani."
- Mm-hmm. - "I'm still blocked.
"But here's his Instagram.
I also attached Chance's résumé that I helped him with."
Wow, we've never had someone's résumé.
- Yeah. - That's, like, perfect.
- This is the name he put on it.
Leslie [bleep]. Interesting.
That's probably still his legal name.
- Yeah. - So here's his résumé.
Work experience: United States Postal Service.
Oh, look. A supervisor.
Brianna--I mean, we could--that's crazy.
- Should we call Brianna?
- We could not ask for a better
piece of information
then a résumé with former bosses
who we can call as references.
All right, let's see.
[busy call tone]
- Oh, no. - Busy?
How can you even get a busy?
I haven't heard that in so long.
- That's so weird. - All right.
Well, let's try another résumé item.
He said he worked for the New York Police Department?
As an auxiliary officer?
- Yeah. - Let's try the New York City
Police Department? Officer Yvonne Graham.
Let's call her. I mean, I'm--you know,
I'm a New Yorker. I live in Brooklyn.
- Yeah, you got this.
- Okay. [busy tone]
- Whoa. - What?
Let's look up Yvonne Graham's phone number.
This is very strange.
Whoa...Yvonne [bleep].
Same last name as Chance.
- Oh, my gosh. - Wait a second.
Leslie [bleep] is a relative. - [gasps]
- That's Chance. We're on to something.
- What is this? Age 57.
So this could be his mom. - Okay.
- Wait, so this is bull[bleep] then?
- Mm-hmm. - Because that means he gave
the phone number for his mom as a reference.
It could all be a lie.
- We gotta look a little further into this.
- Elizabeth, Leslie, and John.
Jamaica, New York. - And that's his twin.
'Cause 32, 32. - [gasps]
Elizabeth-- God, you're so great!
- It's almost like I've been doing this
as long as you, if not longer. - Oh, my God, you're right.
So Elizabeth is the twin.
All right, so his Police Officer
supervisor Yvonne-- - His mom.
- What's crazy is if I were Matthew
and he gave me all this information
I would not second guess it.
It feels very legit.
- I mean, don't we all lie a little bit on our résumés.
- But if he lied on his résumé,
he could be lying about everything.
Chance could be the most thorough, sophisticated,
convincing Catfish we ever had.
- I just wish that someone could say, "Yes, he exists,"
or something. - Right.
- I want to go to his social media.
- I know, I was thinking let's go check out his Instagram.
So here's his page. We're not blocked.
These are nice pictures.
- And who's that? - Hasina says,
"Stranger, hit me up!"
Sounds like she knows him.
Okay, let's message this person.
All right, message sent to Hasina.
- Should we try and see if his Facebook is...
- Find his Facebook? - Yeah.
Let's look up Leslie [bleep]
or Chance.
[tense music]
- Nothing for Leslie. So what about Chance Armani?
Oh! - Ooh.
- Is that him? - Yeah!
- Jamaica, New York. - Yeah.
These are recent photos, too.
The weird thing to me is, why is Matthew blocked--
[phone ringing]
[whispering indistinctly] Hello?
- That was so fast. Thanks for calling me
back so quickly.
We're looking for your friend Chance.
Can you just tell us how you know him?
- Okay, so you've never hung out in person?
- Oh, well, we're trying to help
a young man who lives in Atlanta.
He kept trying to meet him but it wasn't happening.
- Magic City... - I think it was, like,
Randa or Wanda. - Okay.
- She might do hair there I think.
- Oh, okay. Well, thank you so much.
- All right. - Bye.
Interesting. Matt said that he was gonna
meet Chance at Magic City.
- Should we try and find
Magic City Wanda or Randa?
- Magic City adult entertainment club.
I mean, I guess we could call. It's a little early.
Let's see if anyone answers.
[line trilling]
- Yes, hi. This is Nev.
Who's this?
- Are you familiar with the show "Catfish"?
- Aww, thanks so much. [laughter]
Well, we are in Atlanta now, trying to help a young man
who's been talking to someone who might have a friend
who works there named Randa or Wanda?
They might do, like, hair?
- Sheranda, okay.
- Do you happen to know any way to get in touch with her?
- All right, let's see if we can find that.
We're doing it right now. Oh, here we go.
Randa. Randa [bleep].
- Great, well this was super helpful.
Thank you so much. Bye.
- Great. Now we gotta hit this woman up
because if she's friends with Chance
she should be able to tell us something.
This is Nev from "Catfish." My co-host desperately needs
a new hairstyle.
[laughter] - Stop...
- Message sent to Randa. All right.
We got some good leads. - Yeah.
[phone ringing]
- Hello.
- Sheranda! Hi--yes.
- We're doing an episode now, and we're trying to help
a young man who lives in Atlanta
who has been talking to your friend Chance.
- Oh, um, you might know him as Leslie.
- Okay. Hmm. Weird. [disconnection beeps]
- She's quick to get off the phone.
That's suspicious. - What's going on?
Something about that conversation
leads me to believe that there's more information
we're not getting.
Yeah, let's go back to his Facebook page.
How come I'm not seeing it now?
Uh-oh.
- Oh, my God. Were we just blocked?
Oh, no! - Randa probably told Chance
and Chance blocked us. - [bleep].
Clearly something's up here.
Seems like Chance is aware that we're sniffing around.
- They're hiding something.
- This guy is making up lots of stuff,
his résumé, the phone numbers, disappear on people.
Maybe Chance is just some sort of con artist.
This story just keeps getting weirder and weirder.
[upbeat hip-hop music]
♪ ♪
- Hey, guys. - What's up?
All right, well. How you feeling about all this?
Did you get your, like, "good morning" text today?
- No, but I know that his dad was in the hospital.
- Oh. - Just waiting to see
what's going on.
I'm ready to find out something good.
- Yeah. - So, I wish
we had specific answers
but now I almost feel like we just kind of have
new questions. - [chuckles]
Let's get to it. - All right, well,
so we went to the résumé you sent us.
Feels very legitimate-- the jobs, the supervisors
with names and phone numbers. - Yes.
- So we just thought, let's call his references
and see if anyone can, like, vouch for him.
- Okay. - So we started with
his most recent job at the post office.
We called this number, and then we got a busy signal.
- Like a fax number? - Like,
[together] Beep, beep, beep.
- I haven't heard a busy signal in years.
- The '90s. - Right.
So we thought that was kind of weird.
So then we were like, okay,
what about this police department position?
So we called that number. We got the same thing.
A busy signal. Weird.
And then when we looked up the phone number for Yvonne,
the police department, it came back Yvonne [bleep].
Chance's name is Leslie [bleep].
- Yes. - The same last name.
- Yeah. - We looked at
Yvonne's profile on here
and it had some relatives.
Elizabeth, 32, and Leslie, 32.
- Elizabeth must be his twin sister.
- She has to be. - But more importantly,
police officer supervisor Yvonne--
- Is his mom. - That means he gave
the phone number for his mom as a reference.
Which is crazy. It could all be bull[bleep].
- You know, now you have me thinking, like,
what's really going on? - Mm-hmm.
- So then we looked through his Instagram...
- Mm-hmm. - And we found
this girl Hasina. We messaged her.
Hasina called us and we asked how they knew each other.
She said, "Well, we kind of just know each other
through Instagram."
She also said he talks about Atlanta a lot.
He's always talking about some friend at the Magic City.
- Mm. - And you had mentioned that--
- Magic City. - Supposed to meet him up
so we were like, "Whoa. Who's the friend?"
- Okay. - And she was like, "Well,
"I think it's like Wanda,
or Randa or something like that."
Hasina said, like, "I think his friend that works there
is, like, a hairdresser." - Okay.
- We called Magic City, and they kind of confirmed
that there was a Sheranda, kind of pointed us
to her Instagram. - Right.
Do you know this person? - Mm-mm.
- We reached out to her and she called...
- Okay. - And was kind of short.
- Right, she was like, "What is this about?"
And she said, "I don't know Chance.
I'm busy, I'm at work, I gotta go, bye."
So that's a little suspicious.
- [wry chuckle] - Yeah, that's weird.
- Is Randa covering for Chance?
Or was she weirded out and didn't wanna, like,
say the wrong thing?
- That's weird.
[sighs] I want some answers.
- I think we should call Chance.
- I think so. - See if he answers.
- Oh, lord. - All right.
[line trilling]
- You have reached the voice mailbox of 347--
- I'm gonna send a text.
♪ ♪
Blue. Delivered.
- Come on, Chance. I want those dots to pop up.
- Is that--uh-- [phone ringing]
- I don't know who that is. Is this Chance?
Hello.
- Oh, yeah, hey. How you doing?
- I understand.
- Yeah, we can meet you there.
All right, great. Bye.
Whoa, what are the odds she calls
right after we text Chance?
Is she in on this? - Yeah.
- She has more to say for sure. We should just go meet Randa.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- All right, let's roll out.
[tense music]
- How you feeling? - I don't know.
- It's like, I want to see what she has to say.
- Prepare yourself for anything.
- What do we need to know from Randa?
- What does she know about Chance?
Is Chance actually in Atlanta
when, you know, he says he's in Atlanta?
- She's got some connection to him for sure.
- Yeah. - Is Randa in on this?
Or is she, like, covering for him somehow?
- I don't know. Just--I would kind of
want to get a vibe off what she says.
Skin... There's something with skin.
- Oh, yeah. Skin spa.
Right. That must be it.
- You ready? - As ready as I can get.
- Let's get in there.
[tense music]
Hi. - Hi.
- We're looking for Ron-da. - Randa.
- Randa, excuse me. Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you too. - This is Kimiko.
- Hi. - Hi, Kimiko.
- And this is Matt. - Hello, nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you. - So yeah, we were just really
excited that you called us back--
- Right. - And wanted to sort of
just hear you out-- - Hear me out?
- Well-- - You guys contacted me.
I'm curious to know why. - We're here to just
kind of get some questions answered.
- So Matthew has been talking to a guy named Chance
for, like, the last three years.
Chance had mentioned to him that he was thinking about
moving down to Atlanta because he comes down here a lot
and Matthew was gonna help him find a job and get settled
into an apartment and, you know, who knows?
- I'm sorry. It's, like, real confusing...
- I understand, there's a lot.
Yeah, right. - As to why Matthew
would want to contact "Catfish"
for Chance. - Matt really wants
to meet Chance. - Why?
- Matt was thinking it could
turn into something more.
- I'm Chance's girlfriend. - Oh.
- Oh. - Chance had never mentioned
that he had a girlfriend. - Never?
- No, I know at one point Chance
was talking to someone here.
That was, like, a long time ago, though.
- Okay. - How long have you guys
been dating? - We've been talking
about 2 years, 2 1/2 years.
- Is there a reason that Chance
wouldn't have mentioned
to Matt that he has a girlfriend?
- I mean-- [uncomfortable laugh]
I don't really know what to tell you.
- So is Chance in New York? - Yeah.
- That's where he lives. - He's in New York now.
- 'Cause he always say he's in Atlanta.
- With me. He's always with me
when he comes here.
- We would like to meet him.
- He's going through a rough time right now.
- I know his father's in the hospital.
- Yes, it's very bad timing. - Yeah.
- Forgive me for asking, but are you trying to get us
not to meet up with Chance?
- Okay, I'm sorry--what-- what does that matter, though?
You know, that's what I'm trying to get at.
I'm Chance's girlfriend.
Why, um...why you want to contact Chance?
- 'Cause they've been trying to meet up for a long time.
- I just wanted to see what was the reason.
I don't want to be rude or any--like, you know.
I'm not a disrespectful type of person or anything.
- Right.
- Well, look, if you talk to Chance
let him know we'd love to go up to New York and meet him.
- Okay. - Okay.
I will thank you.
We'll hopefully hear from him soon.
- Thank you.
♪ ♪
- How you feeling?
- Whew. That was a lot.
- Well, yeah. It kind of felt off.
It's like, how do we know that's really his girlfriend?
- Yeah. It's like, wow.
- Is she telling the truth? Are you upset with Chance?
- I'm confused.
- If Chance has feelings for you--
You guys are supposed to be so close
and tell each other everything,
and here he has this girl that he's never mentioned.
- I don't want to be, like, fully upset and not know
if she could have just been saying that.
- I have a feeling she's trying to get us
not to go meet this guy. - Yeah.
- I want to know the true truth.
- I have no update unfortunately.
- Really?
- I don't think we're getting the whole story.
- Well, definitely not.
- Something about Randa
saying, like, "Oh, yeah, Chance, that's my boyfriend."
I think there's a possibility that she was covering.
Like, that may have all been BS.
- I mean, that's a possibility.
- It's just, like, a little convenient
that she gave us this, like, perfect--
"It's all true, he's my boyfriend," like, I don't know.
- Chance has some explaining to do.
- I think we gotta just try calling him.
[line trilling]
[tense music]
♪ ♪
- Yeah, good morning. Is this Chance?
- Hey, it's Nev calling.
[dramatic sting]
So, um...
- Oh, I'm so sorry. Did your father pass away?
So... - Wow, okay.
I'm really sorry.
- I don't really know what to say right now.
I guess we'll sort of have to regroup
and when you're up for it we could all go meet up.
Hm.
Oy. - That's...
- I mean...
We've had people give crazy excuses not to meet up.
- I don't want to assume that.
- I don't either, but... - That's really dark.
- So what do we do?
- I mean, we've heard crazy excuses
of people dying all the time.
Maybe this was an excuse,
but I think we should pause this.
- Right. That's a first for us.
We've never done that. - Yes.
- I guess there's a version of meeting up with him
when Chance is up for it. - Mm-hmm.
- Let's call Matt.
[line trilling]
- Hey, Matt. We just talked to Chance.
Did he tell you that his dad died?
- I don't know if that's true or not but if it is,
it doesn't feel like now
is really an appropriate time
to kind of show up
and put him on TV.
- We should all just meet up.
- Then why don't we just meet you over there?
- We'll see you soon. Bye.
- Hello, hello. - Hello.
- Welcome back.
- How are you feeling? - Lost.
My mind is kind of all over because I was expecting
to meet Chance,
and then I get hit with bad news
and it was just like a flashback and a replay
of every time we're supposed to meet.
- We've had people lie on the show
who were in Chance's position,
who were afraid to meet,
and made up some wild stuff.
But...
I think we have to assume that that's true.
- I don't think they would just lie about...
- Right. - That because that would be--
that would be harsh.
At the same time,
I still want to meet Chance.
- Maybe he is down to meet.
Um, just maybe not now.
- Do you think you can
put your feelings about all this
on ice at least for the next couple weeks
while he deals with his dad grieving, and then...
- I'm very-- - Try to pick back up.
Never done that before, but...
that's our last real option.
- I just hope he does still agree to meet up.
- Rest assured, we won't stop till we figure this out.
♪ ♪
- One...
- Chance? Hold on a second.
♪ ♪
- And you're down to meet up in New York?
- Okay, so let me-- let me make the arrangements,
let me call Matt, get him up to New York,
and Kimiko, and we can all meet up.
- All right, great. Thanks, man.
- Yep. Whoa.
- I'm surprised he called back to continue.
That's crazy. Isn't that crazy?
- Right, so let me call Matt
and see what he knows or doesn't know.
[line trilling] Hey, Matt.
- I just got a call from Chance.
- He said if you want to meet, he's ready to meet.
[electronic music]
- Hey, Kimiko, what's up?
- Remember Chance? He just called me.
He's finally ready.
- Matt's very excited, obviously.
Tomorrow, we should finally...
[laughs] Figure this all out.
- Right?
- All right, bye.
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- Going to JFK. [laughs]
- What's up? Look at us.
Reunited.
- I know at last. - We're back--back on the case.
- How you feeling, Nev? - I'm excited.
- Oh, there he is. Hi!
- There he is! - Hey.
- Hello. [laughs]
- We have so much to talk about.
Where are things with you and Chance?
- I don't know where they're at
because with Chance's father passing...
- Right. - The communication from there
was, like, just kind of scarce.
I was, you know, checking like "Hey, how are you doing?"
Like, "Are you good?" - Sure.
- And I would get, like,
one- or two-word responses. - Right.
- And do you know for sure
that the dad died?
- I don't know for sure,
but it was just so coincidental
that that happened,
you know, at the time when we're supposed
to try to meet up. - Right.
If he lied about everything,
this guy is one of the craziest catfish liars
I think we've ever seen.
All right, I think it's just down this street
here somewhere.
- [sighs] - Oh, wait, there it is.
I'll pull over. - Oh, my gosh.
- My heart is, like, racing. [laughs]
This is it.
- Ah, here we are.
- All right, let's do it.
[suspenseful music]
- Whew.
- All right.
♪ ♪
Oh.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
- Oh.
What's up? - What's up?
- How you doing? - What's going on?
How are you? - Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you, too.
- Uh... - Wow.
- This is Matthew, as you know.
- What's up, Matt?
- What's going on? - Yeah.
Ah...
- So I know this is not easy for you,
and I appreciate you being here,
but clearly, we are here for the main reason,
which is that you guys have been talking for a while,
and in an effort to clear up any loose ends,
your dad did pass away, right?
- Yes.
- Okay, I'm really sorry. - Yes.
- I can understand
not wanting to deal with all this right now.
- I'm doing all right.
- That's good.
- So we have some questions.
- Yes. - You'd been in Atlanta
a few times. - Yeah, I was in Atlanta
a few times, visiting my girlfriend.
[dramatic sting]
- Sheranda. You guys are...
- You guys are together. - Exclusive.
- Yes, we are. So...
- Which came as a bit of a surprise
to Matthew, 'cause you had never mentioned
having a girlfriend.
- I mean, you should've, like,
kind of figured it out.
- Figured it out?
- Is it crazy that Matthew
was under the impression that there was attraction
and a potential for something to happen between you guys?
- Well, through texts and stuff, like, it--
like, every day, we'll send little stuff here and there
but it's like, you know, I do that with everybody.
- In my mind, I'm like, "Oh, when he gets to Atlanta,
"maybe it could be something more.
"Or we can get to know each other more, you know.
"Who knows what can, you know, transpire
once he gets to Atlanta."
- Well, I mean, you should've, like,
kind of got the hint
when you would send me, like, messages like...
and I wouldn't really respond to it.
- But you did neglect to say that you had a girlfriend.
- True. - [sighs]
- Just feels weird to me, 'cause, like,
if you live in New York
and you're talking to someone who lives in Atlanta
and you're talking pretty often,
and then you tell him you're gonna come down
to Atlanta and you wanna see him...
- Yeah, like, I-- - To me, that sounds
like you are giving very clear signals
that you like that person. - No, you're--you're saying,
like, I want to see him.
I'd be like, you know, "We should meet up."
- Well, sure. - Don't say it like...
- Well-- - Don't say it like that.
- Okay, well, why don't we go inside and sit--
- Yeah, please. - And--yeah.
Let's--let's do that.
Okay, well, yeah, Matt, hold this--wait one second.
Kimiko, you go in and settle in for a second.
- Okay.
- I just don't feel like he's being fair...
- Mm-hmm. - And, like, kind of making it
almost feel like I gave you signals.
Like, what is that? That's bull[bleep].
I just don't want to see you let him, like...
- Run over. - Just--yeah.
Just sort of, like, disregard all this [bleep]...
- Yeah. - That you felt,
and that he said, and that, like, happened,
because, like, he doesn't wantto admit
that he had feelings for you. - Yeah.
- You weren't romantically involved
with Matt at all?
- Uh, no.
- I mean, we saw some text messages,
and it seemed pretty flirty back and forth.
- I wasn't.
It wasn't like that at all.
You know, I don't want to date a dude.
- So you don't date men at all? - Mm-mm.
- Oh, okay.
- No. - We were under the impression
that you were bisexual.
- That's not true. He lied.
That's not true.
- Okay.
- You know, now I'm mad about that,
because that's...
- I didn't mean to make you mad.
- That's not, like... - Yeah.
- Wow.
- I just don't feel like we're getting the whole story.
- Yeah, there's something going on,
but it's just... - Right.
- How do we get that?
I'm like, "How do I get that out of him?"
- Right. Let's see what he has to say.
- [sighs]
- All right.
Much better in here. - Mm-hmm.
- Mm.
So you're telling these people
that I'm bisexual, Matthew?
- Well, I know in the past,
you've dated men and women. - I don't...
I mean, if...
Matthew, I'm just really upset
about you giving these people
think--having them think
that I'm bisexual.
It's kind of coming off confusing.
- You would do, like, the heart eyes.
- Right, the heart eyes.Well...
- Yeah, and all that, and that was like,
kind of drawing me in even more.
- Listen, I'm never gonna date you.
- Why, then, were you talking to him at all?
This is the first time it's been clear to you
that he likes you? - Yes, this is the first time.
- Really? Wow. - Yep.
- It seems there's a couple issues here
that amazingly, hadn't been brought up
until now.
One is that you're not bisexual,
but you were having
a very flirtatious relationship.
You're intentionally not mentioning a girlfriend
when you could easily,
because you're trying to kind of maintain
a possible
romantic relationship. - No.
No. I--you know, I blocked you
on Instagram, dude, and it's like--
- That was only recently.
- Whatever, but-- - You seem upset.
I'm not getting that, because, like,
if the worst thing this guy has done
has been really liked you,
and, like, hoped to be in a relationship with you,
then, like, can you be a little nicer to him
and, like-- - I am being nice to him.
- No, I feel like you're not being nice to him,
which is weird, because, like, what's the big deal?
He--so he has a crush on you.
- He's a catfish himself.You are.
- And how am I a catfish?
- You know how you're a catfish.
- How?
- I mean...
- You're not a catfish at all? - No.
- So what is this?
What is it? - Oh, my God.
- [bleep]. - Oh, wow.
Wow. - [bleep]
Like, get the [bleep] out of here.
I never told you I dated men.
That's nobody's [bleep] business.
- What the [bleep]?
- You seem okay, considering
how aggressive and [bleep] up that was.
Are you okay? - Yeah, I'm okay.
- I don't understand why he's so upset.
The worst thing that's happened is that a sweet guy
has told him that he has a crush on him.
I can't figure out what his problem is.
Wanna go out there? - Oh, my God.
All right.
[melancholy music]
Listen. I was not expecting that.
I just want to know what's making you so upset.
- It's a number of things, you know.
I lost my father.
You know, I'm on anxiety medication
because I'm having panic attacks.
I'm--I'm stressed out.
I just felt like he wasn't being, like, honest.
This bisexual stuff pissed me off, you know?
But I want to apologize to him, to Matthew.
[dramatic music]
[grunts]
[sighs]
- First of all, what you did is wrong.
It's [bleep] up.
And if the worst thing this guy has done
has been really liked you
and, like, hope to be in a relationship with you,
then you're kind of being a dick.
- I'm thinking the whole thing with him assuming
that maybe I could be bisexual or had relations with a man--
- Well, that's not weirdest thing to think.
And I think you can understand that that's not unreasonable.
- No, I mean, it's not. - Right. Okay.
And physical altercation--
it's [bleep] up. - Yeah.
♪ ♪
- I just want to apologize to you
for being a, you know, you know, a douchebag.
- I still--like, I'd never seen that side of you--
that blowing up.
It was just like, "What the [bleep]?"
- Right. Well, I'm sorry.
♪ ♪
- A lot to take in.
♪ ♪
[breathes deeply]
- Hopefully I didn't hurt your scalp.
- No, I have a scalp protector on.
- All right, but I am sorry.
- I'll accept that.
- How we feeling?
- I got the truth and the answers that I--
I mean, I didn't, like, want that exact answer,
but at least I know where we stand as two individuals
and where to go forward from here.
- We can all agree that this relationship--
- Yeah, it's not gonna-- - It's done.
- Clearly.
- All right. [inhales sharply]
- All right, later, man. - All right.
[somber piano music]
That was interesting.
- Are you okay with this being the end--
not talking to him anymore?
That has to happen. Like, you got to move on from this.
- Yeah, I got what I needed,
and I'm ready to take my time right now
and see what the future might have in store for me.
- Right. - But there's no chance at all
that I'll have a real chance with Chance.
- Right. - [chuckles]
[computer ringing]
- Hey!
- Hey, what's going on? - Hi.
- What's up? Look at that nice, clean haircut.
- Did you dye your hair? - Oh, yeah.
I dyed my hair. What do you think?
- Did the roots well. - I like it--a lighter color.
- Matthew, what's going on with you?
- I've been out a few times.
- Ooh. - And...
it was a girl that I've been out on a date with twice.
So that's good.
- Wow. All right. And what about Chance?
Where did you leave things with him?
- We had one conversation.
It was just, like, I think more of, like, an apology.
- How do you feel now--Chance is no longer in your life?
- I took it as a lesson,
and I learned my lesson.
- Right. All right, well, cool. Good catching up with you, man.
- Same here. - You deserve to find love.
So keep putting yourself out there,
and you'll either find it, or it'll find you.
- It will. - [smooches] Bye, guys.
- See you. - See you.
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