Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 7, Episode 32 - Angel & Remy - full transcript
Nev and co-host Elle King help Angel find her online love, Remy, but the closest Angel has gotten to Remy was when he was creepily watching her from outside her car. Angel needs answers but may not be ready for the truth.
- Angel gets a message from a cute boy, Remy.
- And we pull around to the apartment that he was at,
and he was like, "Are you wearing
the highlight yellow jacket in a Nissan?"
- Like creepy stalker style?
What was the unit number?Is it...
- 2056. - 2056? Check it out.
- I'm nervous. - Yeah.
- 2056, right there. - It is right here.
[knocks on door]
Someone's here.
[dramatic music sting]
Hey, guys, Nev here, and we're back
with a brand-new batch of all-new "Catfish" episodes.
Let's do it.
We've been making the show for over seven years.
We've done over 125 episodes.
- You're a coward, man. - And what's amazing is
we're still encountering things we've...
He was dead for a couple days. What?
- Everybody in Hawaii is in on this.
- ♪ What we see is just the tip of the iceberg ♪
- New ways to fall in love.
We've never ever had two hopefuls hook up.
All-new deceptions.
- He just lied about so much [bleep].
- And new "what the [bleep]" firsts
that are gonna completely flip the script
on what you think you know about "Catfish."
- He's a twin. - An identical twin.
- So join me and all our favorite co-hosts...
- Are we gonna get jumped? - Oh, my God.
- As we dive head first into an all-new season of episodes,
each with a unique...
- ♪ What we see is just the tip of the iceberg ♪
[screams]
- How you doing? - I'm doing great.
I had an injury.
I tore my knee in three places. - Extreme sports injury.
- 'Cause I just like to go full throttle...
- [laughs] And I'm back.
- Welcome back. - I'm on one crutch,
but we're gonna be chill about it.
- Shall we crush this episode? - Yeah.
- Ooh, "Jeepers Creepers." - Oh, my God.
- Does this mean we're gonna deal with some,
like, paranormal stuff, you think?
- Finally. - "Hi, Nev and Elle.
"My name is Angel.
"I'm 18, and my 3-month-old son and I
"live with my mom just outside of Dallas, Texas.
"Just after I gave birth, I was lonely
"and went on PlentyOfFish
"to see if I could find someone to talk to.
I got a message from this guy named Remy."
- ♪ Feel my heart skippin'...
- "He's my age, lives nearby, and he thought I was cute.
"He was the first guy I talked to since I had my son,
"and it was a relief that someone was interested in me.
- ♪ Just give it a try... ♪
- "So we made plans to go to the movies
"along with my best friend Mari.
"But when I went to the theater, he wasn't there.
"I messaged him and he told me he was at home.
"He sent his address.
So Mari and I went over, but we couldn't find him."
What? Very not cool.
"I told Remy I was there.
And he then started saying he could see us..."
- ♪ Sometimes I feel like I'm lookin' at you... ♪
"And he was in a car right by us.
I looked for him but no one was there."
Ooh, creepy. - [gasps]
Oh, my God. - "I'm a new mom,
"and I really don't have time for all this drama.
"If Remy and I are gonna have any chance at making this work,
I need to figure this out, ASAP."
- ♪ Sometimes I feel like I'm lookin' at you ♪
- The creepy aspect of it is a little heavy.
- Right. - Especially for a new mom.
- We got to call Angel. [computer chiming]
- I hope she likes us. - Hey!
- Hey. - What's up, Angel?
How you doing? - I'm great.
- This is Elle. - Hi.
- Hi. - Congratulations on the baby.
- How old is your son? - He's three months now.
- And you're finding time to drive around town,
trying to find Remy? That's a lot.
- That's actually why I wrote in
'cause I don't have time for all of this,
so I need to know what's real and what isn't.
- So tell us a little bit about Remy.
- He's 18, he works at Amazon,
and we connect on, like, a deep level.
Like, when it comes to having serious conversation,
like, about kids or the future,
he definitely seems to have his head on straight.
- Would you consider yourself in a relationship with Remy?
- I do. He told me, "I love you.
You really seem like this really nice girl."
He just-- he makes me really happy.
- Do you talk to him on the phone or just text?
- We talk on the phone and we text.
- Okay. And how often do you guys talk?
- We talk every day, basically.
Like, we'll be on the phone from the time
I'd be home from school to the time he has to go to work.
Like, I fall asleep on the phone, basically.
- Have you FaceTimed him?
- I have FaceTimed him, but when we FaceTime,
I only saw his forehead and up.
- Does it match the photos?
Like, the same sort of hair and--
- No. And that was another weird--
- Okay. So you kind of know
that he's probably not the guy in the pictures?
- I mean, people change up their hairstyles every day.
So I'm just like maybe-- - Angel, come on.
- I change my hair a lot,
but my face stays the same.
[laughter]
- So wait a second. Let's talk about the time
that you went to where he s-- he gave you the address.
What happened?
- I'm like, "Okay, I'm here,"
and he was like, "Well, do you see me?"
And I'm like, "No.
I see a lot of people walking around,
but I don't think that it's you."
He was like, "Well, are you wearing
"a highlight yellow jacket
in a Nissan with a black bumper?"
And I'm looking around like,
"Yeah, but where are you?"
So I'm like, "Which one?" And he never replied.
[ominous music]
I was gonna go over there a second time,
but my friend was like, "No, he's wasting your time.
Don't go over there."
- That's Mari, right? - This--Mari.
She sounds like a good friend.
She sounds like a keeper. She sounds smart.
- Yeah, she is.
She's like a little investigator.
- And what explanation does he have
for not meeting you?
- He says that he has a girlfriend
that he's not with,
but they stay together because she pays for the rent.
- Okay, wow, so Remy lives with his ex-girlfriend.
- Mm-hmm.
- You don't think that after getting stood up
that you'd be like, "Well, screw that.
I'm beautiful. I can find another guy."
- Yeah, but the time before I had my son
was one of my lowest points
because I didn't really have too many people
I could go to besides my best friend.
- So what are you hoping to get out of this?
- It's gonna be heartbreaking if it's not him,
but it's not gonna be just a deal breaker
because my feelings are real,
and I'm just hoping that they're the same with him.
- We'll find out. I want to know.
- Yeah. All right, Angel, sit tight,
and we'll see you really soon.
- All righty. - Toodles.
- Bye.
- Ah. - Sweetheart.
- She's so sweet, she's young,
and she wants companionship... - Right.
- But, I don't know. Something seems fishy.
- I feel like Remy is a puzzle, and right now,
we only have this piece of the puzzle.
- Yeah.[laughs]
- All right, you ready to crack--hold on.
Let me get you your crutch. - Thank you.
- It's gonna take us a while to get there, but we'll get there.
- Yeah, if we start walking now,
we'll get there by next Thursday or something.
- ♪ All this magic in the air ♪
♪ Got me on another wave... ♪
- Texas. - Oh, it's beautiful.
- ♪ So don't wait until it's too late... ♪
- That's a cute little house. - It is cute.
- ♪ Oh-oh-oh-oh ♪
Yo! - Hi!
- Hi! - How you doing, Angel?
- I'm great.
You can come in. - Oh, wow.
- Very nice. - Hi.
- Hi. - Hi, I'm Tasha.
- Hi, I'm Elle. So nice to meet you.
- Nice meeting you. I listen to your music.
I love your music. - Oh, awesome.
Oh, thank you. - Hello, Tasha.
- Tasha. - Tasha, Nev.
- And I watch your show all the time.
- Hey, are you guys... - Sisters?
- No, I'm the mom...
- You're the mom. - Ashe's the daughter.
- Little Angel. - And this is Caiden.
It's amazing that we're meeting y'all in person.
- Yeah. - I didn't think--
sorry it's under these conditions.
- You're probably more worried than--
- I am. - You should be.
- I'm very concerned because I don't know
what's really going on anymore. - Right.
- But at the end of the day, she's 18.
She's grown, and so, she can make her own decisions.
- Well, we are gonna try and figure out who this guy is.
- Please do. - Why don't we sit down?
- Say bye-bye, buddy. - Thanks for having us.
Your home is lovely. - Thank you.
- Let's sit over here.
I want to just go back to the beginning for a second.
So you went on PlentyOfFish and you see this message from Remy.
Tell us how that went.
- I was scrolling through my messages,
and I actually saw his picture on there.
I was like, "Oh, he's a nice-looking guy."
So I gave him my phone number.
- Right after that? - Right.
So when we text, he'd ask me if I was with the dad still.
I was like, "No, we're just co-parenting,"
and he was like, "Well, I don't mind
being there for you and the baby."
That's what caught me because
it takes a lot for someone else to just step up
and be, like, another dad
to someone else's kid. - Right.
- And so me and my best friend Mari
went to the movies one night.
And I'm like, "Hey, do you want to go?"
And he was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."
So it's maybe ten minutes until the movie starts
and I'm like, "Where are you?
Me and her are sitting in the parking lot,"
and he's like, "I'm with my girlfriend,
"but I don't want to be with her,
"and she wants to come over there and confront you
and I'm trying to keep her over here."
- Whoa, red flag. - Wait.
Telling me-- both: Whoa!
- Yeah. - Saying what?
- "You need to come over here" and "we gonna fight,"
and I'm like, "Mari, you're not gonna believe this."
She's like, "Well, I guess we're rolling over there."
I'm just like-- - You went--no.
- Wait, so you went over there as much to meet Remy
as to, like, fight this girl over him.
- It's not more that I wanted to fight,
it's more that I want to see is he being for real.
Like, is this story actually true.
- Right.
- So we get there,
but the apartment number that she gave me didn't exist.
- And that was when he was watching you, right?
But you couldn't see him. - Mm-hmm.
- No explanation for the fact that, like,
he just... - No.
- Stood you up, basically?
Okay, so you started on PlentyOfFish.
- Yes. - Then you were texting.
- Yes. - You got Snapchat.
- Yeah, we started snapping,
but there was a Snapchat on his Facebook page.
I'm like, "Well, that's not the Snapchat
he's been talking to me off of."
And I texted it and I'm like, "Hey."
But he didn't reply to me.
- Did you confront Remy about that?
- No, I didn't tell him 'cause I'm like,
"Mm, I kind of want to catch you in the act
and see if...
- Right. - This is the same person."
- Okay, I guess I want to see what he looks like
because he must be the hottest guy in the world.
- Let's see the guy.
- All right, here's his Facebook right there.
- Okay. - Okay, I see it.
He's cute. - [laughs]
- Wait. Why is his name D Jackson?
- Yeah, what--
- I'm assuming that Remy's like a nickname.
- Did he tell you his last name is Jackson?
Like, he goes by Remy Jackson? - Mm-hmm.
- Look, it's got Snapchat here, right?
- Mm-hmm. - Lives in Chicago.
- He said he was from there.
So I'm like, "Okay, well." - Okay.
- Do you message with this Facebook?
- I sent a friend request, but it hasn't been accepted.
- [groans]
- Come on! - He did tell--
- Angel, come on. - He told me--
- Come on.
It looks like Remy sent you the real guy's Facebook page.
I've never seen a Catfish do this.
I mean, this runaround
with the different profiles and the "come meet me"
and then never showing up, this is weird.
- Yeah, that's not normal stuff.
- Yeah, it's...
- Send us everything you have, and, tomorrow,
I guess we'll just have to see what we can find.
Let's get to work.
- All righty.
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you, Angel.
- [grunts]
- Wow, wow, wow.
It's just nuts. - And she gets it.
She knows that, like, he's definitely suss.
But she's not ready to pull the plug on this guy.
- When you're 18 and you have a baby
and you're sitting at home... - Right.
- Like, a little bit of drama is kind of exciting...
- Yeah. - But there's no way it's him.
There's just no way. - Well, right.
So the real question is, is he really into her?
- I would hate for this to go badly for her.
- It's okay. Watch this, watch this.
- Oh, jeez.
- What? I've got tricks, man.
I'll even go up the step. Killing it.
[upbeat music]
- Okay. What do we got?
Angel, she's 18, she's got a baby.
She goes on PlentyOfFish,
gets a message from a cute boy, Remy.
They start talking, they click right away.
Tries to meet up. He says, "I'll come down."
Never comes down, but he can see her
because he's described what she's wearing.
So we know he's there.
But this guy seems to be lying about something,
most likely his pictures.
- Most likely everything, yeah. - Most likely everything.
All right, here is the email from Angel.
Remy's phone number-- great--
and the D Jackson Facebook page--
which is potentially the real guy's page--
and then, "The Snapchat account Remy gave me
"and this is the one I've spoken to the whole time.
"The one I found on the D Jackson page,
though, is Devn [bleep].
So the address Remy says he lives at is in Dallas.
He told me he lived in apartment 2056.
But there aren't any apartment--"
Okay, so he just made up a number.
All right, let's just start with
the "D Jackson" Facebook page.
He's got 4,200 followers.
- That seems legit. - He said he's 19.
He's got his Snapchat, right, devn [bleep].
I mean, there's a lot of photos on his page.
- Okay, true. - And a lot of people tagged.
- Do you think that Remy is D?
- I think there's a 0% chance that it's actually this kid.
I think D is very clearly a kid
that somebody here in Texas found and was like,
"Oh, this kid's perfect because he's cute,
"posts tons of content,
and, like, is easy to pretend to be."
I don't understand why Remy would give her
the real guy's Facebook page and not just either say
I don't have Facebook or make a fake one."
- What if we just send a snap to D?
- So yeah, let's just hit him up.
All right, "Hey, D, this is Nev from Catfish...
Okay. So now we've got a chat going.
Let's run the phone number, see what we get.
- Texas. - Right.
Celina, Texas. Does say it's a landline.
- So then it's like a text app. - Right.
Maybe the person she's talking-- [phone clicks]
Oh, we got a Snapchat notification.
[phone chiming] - [gasps]
- Oh, okay, there we go.
- Hey, what's up? - What's up?
- Basically, we're doing an episode of the show,
and I think someone's pretending to be you.
We found your page because somebody in Texas
who calls themselves Remy
has been talking to this girl in Dallas.
Do you know anybody named Angel?
No.
It wasn't me. both: Okay.
- Just wanted to confirm that it's not you.
- Okay, coo--
Oh, I think-- - Yeah, I think we got enough.
Well, as what we suspected that he's real
and that the person here is not them.
- Yeah, I can't believe he gave her
the real guy's Facebook page.
That's a first. This is so lazy.
So we know who Angel isn't talking to.
Now the question is who is she talking to.
- Okay. I mean, all we have left to do
is, like, search the address and see if anything comes up.
- Okay. Since the apartment number
they had for Remy doesn't exist,
let's just search the address for the apartment complex.
- Right. - Wow, here it is.
So let's just see. Here are the units.
- Residents--Jackson. R Jackson.
- Wow. R Jackson.
Could be Remy.
So at this point, we've got a lot of evidence
suggesting that he does stay or probably lives in this area.
- Just go there.
- Just drive other there and, like, check it out?
- Yeah. Yeah.
[gasps] Okay?
- Right, so then I think we should go.
- Okay.
All right, time to do some old-fashioned investigation.
- My favorite. - Right.
So what's the plan here? Just ask if anyone knows Remy?
- Say we're looking for Remy.
- Right, so here's the apartment complex.
- So this is the place that she came to that he gave,
the, like, bogus apartment number.
[suspenseful music]
- So this-- - Just drive around.
- Right over here-- someon--you ask her.
You can just roll down the window.
- Hey, excuse me. Hi.
Do you know somebody named Remy who lives here?
- Someone named Remy?
- No? Okay.
Ask them.
- Hey, what's up, guys?
- Do you guys know someone named Remy?
- No?
- All right, thank you.
- 2056.
- Yeah, what was the unit number?
- 2056. - Is it--2056?
- So that's right here. - No way.
I guess the girls just missed it.
Let's just park here... - Yeah.
- And check it out.
♪ ♪
- It's gotta be on the second floor.
- 2056, right there.
- It is right here.
I'm nervous.
♪ ♪
[knocks on door]
Someone's here.
[knocks on door]
Someone's here.
[suspenseful music]
Hey, how you doing? [baby fusses]
- Do you know if someone named Remy lives here?
- No?
- Okay. I think I got the wrong spot.
Sorry.
[door closes]
The guy answered the door. - What did he look like?
- He just looked like a normal dude
in his, like, 30s.
- Did it look like he was telling the truth?
- Yeah, it did. [laughs]
both: Okay.
- So we can cancel that out?
- Well, there's no way you would know that address
and a unit number in that complex
if you hadn't been there.
- Right. - And if he--
- Do you think you just spoke to Remy?
- There's a chance I just spoke to Remy.
- Should we call him and say,
"We're at your apartment complex.
Do you want to meet us"?
- I think we should call Angel first
and see what she wants to do now that we know it's not even
the guy in the pictures. - Yeah.
[line trilling]
- Hey, it's Nev and Elle.
We found some stuff that we want to show you,
so we'll head over that way.
- Anybody home?
- My friend Mari's here. - Oh!
- Hello. - Hi.
- Mari, right? - Yeah.
both: Hi. - Nev.
Nice to meet you. - Hi, I'm Elle.
So nice to meet you. How's it going?
- So nice to meet you too.
- What's up? - Nothing much.
- If you want, we can sit down
and we can kind of walk you through everything
'cause we've been on the case.
- We definitely want our answers.
- Oh, we want answers now.
- Yeah. - You're invested.
- I care about her and her safety.
- Why don't we sit down?
We can show you what we did and what we found.
- All righty. - We can sit down over here.
- Okay. - Well, so wait.
So just before we get into all this like,
Angel told us the story. - Mm-hmm.
- She mentioned you... - Yeah.
- As the friend who was there
that went to the apartment with her.
- Mm-hmm. - But, like, what do you think
about him and the relationship that they're having?
- When she first told me about him,
she said that he was gonna help take care of Caiden,
he was gonna be there for her.
I was like, "Good. That's great.
"You finally found someone
that's gonna be there for you, that's gonna comfort you,"
and then it just kind of veered off to the left.
- He FaceTimed you? - Mm-hmm.
And all I saw was this part of his head.
- Okay, so what did it look like?
- It didn't match the Facebook person at all.
Then he tried to turn us against each other.
- Oh. - What?
- He told her
that me and him were talking... - [gasps]
and was like-- both: Whoa.
- He was like we done slept together.
This, this, and that. - Oh!
- What? Why wouldn't you tell us that?
- She was so conflicted. She started crying.
I was like, "Angel, it's not true.
"I'm telling you. It's not true.
I wouldn't do that to you.
I wouldn't do something that hurtful to you."
- What's your relationship like with him?
- I'm just the friend of her.
I don't really care for him.
- I mean, you made him sound like a real sweetheart...
- [sighs] - When you told us the story.
While I think, at the beginning, he seemed great--
- At first, he was talking all sweet, and then it just--
- You sort of saw a darker side.
- Yeah. - To be lying already
and taking advantage of someone and, you know,
wasting their time, and then turning around
and trying to do something to hurt them even more...
- Mm-hmm.
- That's scary. - Yeah, it is.
- All right, now that we have the whole story,
we found some stuff we want to show you.
So we searched his phone number.
Didn't come back with any registered name,
but it is obviously a Texas area code,
and it says that it's a landline.
Now usually when we see that,
it's because the number is like a text app number.
- Mm.
- But you FaceTimed on that number.
- He FaceTimed me from the email.
- So it was like an Apple ID or something?
- Mm-hmm. - Do you remember what that was?
- Mm...no.
- Mari, do you think it could still be in,
like, your phone log? - Let me see.
[gasps] Here it is. - Oh.
- Oh. - No way.
- This was at 4:00 in the morning?
- Whoa.
- What?
- What were you doing talking to him so late?
- Because he called.
- Was he flirting with you? - Probably, but I don't care.
- Mm-hmm. - But that's messed up.
- I'm not worried about him flirting with me.
- No, but I'm worried. If he's flirting with you
and he's supposed to be talking to her--
- Also, just calling at 4:00 a.m. is...
- Right.
- I mean, not necessarily normal behavior.
♪ ♪
Doesn't make any sense, you know?
- I was trying to get him to send pictures of the apartment
where he said he was, and he wouldn't.
- Then that brings us to the next thing we did was
we did a search for that apartment.
- Uh-huh.
- And the only thing that jumped at us
was someone named R Jackson
'cause his name might be Remy Jackson.
So we just thought, like, let's drive over there.
- Mm-hmm. - And so we did.
And we did find the unit,
and I knocked on the door, and some guy answered it.
All I could think to say was like,
"Do you know someone named Remy?"
And he looked at me and I--
in what I believe to be an honest response,
was just like, "No."
So that means either that guy is a great liar
and that could have been Remy
or his name's not Remy
or that's not what he goes by.
both: Right.
- The most important thing we did was contact him
on that Snapchat from his Facebook page,
sent him a message, just like, "Hey, hit me up,"
and he did,
and we talked to "D," the guy in the pictures.
And I asked him if he has talked to
or knows a girl named Angel, and he said, "No."
- [quietly] Oh.
Oh, my God. - Which basically confirms
that the guy you've been talking to...
both: Is not him.
[somber music]
- [sighs forcefully]
- [clicks tongue, sighs] Good God.
- What's weird to me is why would he then send you to
the real page of the kid
if it's not him. - Exactly.
- Is that just lazy
or was he hoping you'd figure it out.
- 'Cause he went to the trouble
to make his own Snapchat account...
- Mm-hmm. - He could have easily made
a fake Facebook page. - Right.
- It's just weird. - Yeah.
- That's never happened on the show where the Catfish
has told the person they're talking to
the real profile
of the person they're pretending to be...
- Right.
- And, like, sent you to their Facebook.
That's crazy.
The real question now though is if he lied about the pictures,
what else is he lying about.
- Right.
- Because, basically, all we know about Remy
is that we don't know anything.
- ♪ You out of my brain... ♪
- Okay. - ♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh ♪
- You all right?
- ♪ You out of my brain... ♪
♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh ♪
- [sighs] I'm just tired.
- ♪ I can't trust myself ♪
- Hey, you're going through a lot right now.
- This situation isn't normal, obviously,
but the way that you're feeling and what you're seeking
is 100% normal.
- I think this guy has it coming.
He messed with you and your friendship
and deserves to be called out.
He needs to be accountable for this.
- I think this guy has it coming.
He messed with you and your friendship
and he needs to be accountable for this.
So I can call him, and we can make an effort
to meet up with him if you're down with that.
All right, I'm gonna go see if I can get him on the phone.
- Oh, yeah.
- [quietly] You really do deserve a lot more.
[line trilling]
- Hello.
- Hey, this is Nev. Is this Remy?
Hey, Remy.
I don't know if you are familiar with the show "Catfish,"
but I'm with your friend Angel.
I was just trying to see if maybe you'd be down to meet up.
Okay.
We know that you're not the guy in the pictures.
I think, you know, you should tell her the truth.
- Um, all right, well, I-- [line beeps]
Oh.
Wow.
[clears throat, sighs] Um... I spoke to him,
basically, he said, "I can't do the show.
I don't want to meet up with her,"
and then he basically hung up and maybe doesn't care
or maybe he does really care about you,
but, like, he's trying to take the easy way out--
- Instead of you rejecting him. - Right.
- Some of the things that he said,
I just can't see someone just saying it
because they're playing around.
- You could text him.
- I said, "So you can't just meet with me
"and give me an explanation for all of this?
You owe me that much."
And he's just sitting there. - He's looking at it.
- Send him another message and just be like,
"So is this really it?" - "If you wanna, like, man up."
- Right, right. - "Be a man."
Something a little more concrete.
- How about, "Hey, why don't you stop being a little bitch"?
- Ooh, I'll say it.
- "And grow a [bleep] pair of balls."
- Yeah. - I'll say it.
- Yes. Give it to him.
- I said, "So I'll give you till the end of the day.
"If you want to stop being a little bitch about it,
man up, and come forward."
- That's not crazy at all
'cause he's acting like a little bitch.
- [gasps] He's typing.
- What did he say? - He said, "O."
- "O"? Don't write back. - Yeah.
- Don't even watch it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That worked. High-five all around.
Okay, but...
the only way that you're gonna speak to that guy,
whoever he is, is if it's face to face.
- Okay.
- Let him sit in it for a while. - Yeah.
- And that would be punk rock as hell.
That would be awesome. [both laugh]
- Okay. - All right, well, look.
Let us know if you hear from him
or if you hear from him.
[tense music]
We will talk to you in the morning,
see if he's got anything to say.
Okay.
♪ ♪
- What the [bleep].
- I didn't realize how involved Mari had been.
The whole like thing when he tried to tell them
that he slept with her to like start a fight between them.
- Are we 100% sure that Mari is not more involved?
- That would be worse 'cause then--
- That's two people that have lied
and hurt her. - Right, right.
- Like best worst-case scenario,
this guy's just a dick
and she'll get her time to confront him.
- Right.
Either way, this is a girl who has a hard time
saying no, who doesn't want to hurt people's feelings,
who can't stand up forherself.
- Even at the cost of her own-- - Right.
Angel needs to stand up for herself
and learn how to say no.
[knock on door] - Good morning.
- What's up? - What happened?
- Text... - Okay. I'll take it.
- From Remy.
- "I changed my mind. I'll meet today."
So what are we gonna do?
- Well, I think we should, first, check in with Angel.
You can call her.
[line ringing]
- Angel. We heard from him this morning.
He said that he changed his mind
and he has agreed to meet with us.
We're just leaving it up to you to see what you want to do.
Okay, so I guess we'll head over to you.
Okay, bye. - All right.
We should write him back. - Okay, I'll let you do that.
- "We're going to meet Angel now.
"We can meet you in an hour.
"There's a park near her place called Lakeside Park.
Let's meet there." See if he responds.
[phone chime] Ooh!
- What did he say? What did he say?
- He said, "Cool."
All right, let's go.
Let us go.
- I'm nervous. - Yeah. I mean, this guy
is really a livewire.
We know he's dramatic. The whole thing
with getting her ready to fight his ex-girlfriend,
then trying to get between Angel and Mari.
- I can't stop thinking that Mari knows something.
I just think that it's fishy.
Like why would someone's best friend be talking
to their best friend's boyfriend at 4:00 a.m.
and like FaceTiming and stuff?
- I thought that was weird too. - I got Angel's back.
Who needs two good legs?
- Okay, there she is.
- Hi. You look beautiful.
- Thank you. - Hi.
- How you doing? - Good.
- Feeling tough? - Yeah. I'm good in there.
- Let's load it up. - Okay.
- Are you nervous or do you feel ready?
- Mmm...a little bit of both.
- Obviously, I have a lot of questions
just about his whole story, how much of it is true.
- Right. - Is the girlfriend thing true?
What's up with that apartment? - Where was he that day
when he saw what you're wearing in the car?
- Right. - Right.
- Did he ever really plan on meeting you at all?
Lakeside Park.
All right. Shall we text him?
Hey, we just got here.
[phone chimes]
Oh, he said, "I'm by the lake."
Which is, I believe, over there.
- You can do this. You got this.
- Okay.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
- There's a wooded glen over here.
I do see what looks to be like a hooded...
- Yeah. - Individual.
See that guy?
- Mm-hmm. - That must be our guy.
- You got this. You got this. You can do this.
- Remy?
- Must be our guy. - You got this. You got this.
You can do this.
- Remy? - Yeah.
- I'm Nev.
- I'm Elle.
- How you doing? - Hey, how's it going?
- And this is Angel.
[tense music]
♪ ♪
Is your real name Remy? - No, it's not my real name.
- What is your name? - I don't want to say it.
- You're really not gonna tell us your name?
- No. - Should we just call you
Remy then I guess? - Yeah, you call me Remy.
- You guys already know each other?
- Mm-mm. - Oh, okay.
How much of the story that you told her was true?
- I mean, really, everything except for the who I am.
- So your girlfriend is a real person?
- Yeah, I got a girlfriend for real.
- Then why are you messing with people on PlentyOfFish?
I don't get it.
- It wasn't for a relationship.
It was more like a--It was a joke to me.
I made an account to see how long it'll take somebody
to figure out that it was fake.
- That's a weird hobby. - It was just something
to do in my downtime.
- So I imagine you talk to lots of people.
- No, it was just her. She was the first one to reply.
- I mean, you guys talked all the time.
There had to be something real in that.
- No, it wasn't.
- Obviously, if you have a girlfriend,
you're not gonna come on TV
and say that you had feelings for her.
But like, I think it's very clear,
based on the fact that you were talking as much as you were,
that you guys had a relationship.
You can tell me whatever you want,
but, like, you can't pretend,
for the three months that you guys were talking,
it never meant something to you.
- It really didn't. - Yeah.
I've heard you say that already,
but I don't believe it.
- I basically talked to you
like I talked to my best friend.
I'm telling you things that nobody else knows.
Like I go through enough
and then for someone to just sit here
and tell me that it's a game to you, it's not funny.
- I also don't believe that you have no feelings towards her.
No offense, you may be a good liar,
but I don't think you're that great of an actor.
Something is really--I can see you kind of squirming.
I know you feel bad.
- I feel bad a little bit, but not enough for me
to sit here and like apologize
and tell her I'm wrong for everything I did.
- So you wouldn't apologize for that?
- No. - Really?
Don't you think it's pretty [bleep] up to be like,
"I want to help you take care of your baby.
I want to be there"?
- I never took it as like we're like a committed relationship.
She just wasn't catching on quick enough.
- Yeah. But if the game was to mess with people,
you would have just moved on.
- No, it was interesting to see her
come around the house and like not find me,
like I'd be sitting inside a car somewhere else.
- Where did you get the D Jackson profile from?
- Found it on Facebook. - Just found
some random person? - Yeah.
- Sent her the kid's real profile
with a different name, a different Snapchat.
He lives in Chicago. I mean, like, that's a first.
- That's daring.
You sent her the real profile. - I don't know.
I didn't take it seriously. Like, I thought it was funny.
- What about when you told her that you slept with Mari?
- I didn't. When I told her Mari texted me
and she wanted to plan to come over,
like, a hook-up, I tried to warn Angel.
Mari came on to me.
She ended up sending me messages and videos,
pictures saying how she wanted me.
- Really? - Yeah talking about
she wanted to pull up, come out sex
and just like everything.
But when I tried to warn Angel,
she didn't want to believe anything I was saying.
- But why should we believe you?
- I mean, I have the messages of her trying
to come over alone.
Do you want to see the text messages?
- Yeah.
- Here you go. - All right, so--
- I had to screen grab 'em.
- Uh, wow.
Okay. These texts are pretty flirty.
And they definitely seem to be pictures of Mari.
Did Mari know that you were not the guy in the pictures?
- Yeah. We FaceTimed before. - And you showed your face?
- Yeah. She saw me. - She saw you?
- I set the phone up on my TV
and I set up for a good five minutes.
- With your face in the camera? - Yes.
- Wow. - I thought there was
something fishy of them talking at 4:00 in the morning.
- Yeah, we talked almost every night,
saying how she was gonna do sexual acts to me.
- Clearly, we have some stuff to address with Mari,
but it's important for you
to know that you've really hurt her.
- Yeah, I realize that. - You've created a lot
of heartache and damage in her life.
And that's [bleep] up.
- Yeah.
- What made you change your mind
about coming and meeting up today?
- Once in a lifetime.
- Okay. I think that's it then.
Your part of the story, I think, is over.
- All right.
[somber music]
♪ ♪
- [sobbing]
- Sucks to feel like we came here
and that it's not over yet.
But at least you can cut him out of your life.
- ♪ I must sever these ties ♪
- Do you want to text Mari
and see if we can meet up with her?
- Yeah, that's fine.
- All right.
- Hey, Angel, do you want to talk, just you and me?
- Okay. - Yeah.
Why don't you guys just talk a little bit?
- Okay, it's just us.
- I'm just really upset. - He was a dick.
Really didn't believe most of what he said.
Nobody devotes all their time like that...
- ♪ I must sever...♪
- And has those long conversations
if he doesn't care. - ♪ These ties ♪
He had to have cared somewhere. But it doesn't matter.
It really doesn't, you know? It's not about him anymore.
- Yeah. Right now, I'm worried about Mari.
- I have a couple questions I'd like to ask her.
- Yeah.
- Well, that was interesting and crazy.
But I don't really see why he would lie about Mari.
I mean, so much of it we know
is true based on pictures and texts.
- She tells me everything else.
I don't know why she would keep that from me.
- Oh, here's Mari.
- You got this.
- Hello. How's it going?
- Not great. We met "Remy."
- Really?
- He said you and he FaceTimed and you saw his face.
- No. I didn't see his face.
- But most importantly, he told us that you and he
had a whole side thing going,
that you were flirting with him and sending pictures.
- I wouldn't do something like that to her.
- He showed us the pictures.
- I don't know how he got those pictures
'cause I didn't never send them to him.
- I mean--
- I mean, that guy is not a hacker.
- I have had people
that I've dated send out my pictures.
But I don't know who has them or what.
- I can't see--
I just can't see them just circulating around like that.
- It's a little farfetched. - Yeah, it is.
But it's possible.
- You sent it. - No.
- Doesn't make sense to me.
- It's gonna be hard to work through things
and keep friendships built on a lie.
- I mean, it wasn't like I was coming on to him.
He would always text me first and talk to me first.
- That's not true. I saw the text messages.
- I mean...
[melancholy music]
♪ ♪
I'm sorry for not being real with you.
- I just don't know why you didn't tell me till now.
- I just didn't want to hurt your feelings.
- It's just like I can't dismiss it.
You know this has always been a deal breaker for me.
Now I don't know how to feel.
I just need like to do a lot of thinking right now.
- That's understandable.
- I'm just feeling like a terrible friend.
I should have just been truthful.
- Angel, you need to spend some time to think about everything.
Why don't we say good-bye to Mari?
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you too. Okay.
- You're gonna be okay.
You'll just get stronger from this.
Take time and think about how you feel.
Experience the feelings because that's important
so that you don't have to
go through something like this again.
- There are, I'm sure, many guys who would be thrilled
and lucky to be in a relationship with you.
Just make sure they do things to make you feel confident
and secure that they are legit and are gonna do right by you.
- They can work for it, 'cause you're worth it.
I hope you know that. - Yeah.
[computer chimes]
- Hey! - Hey, blondie.
- Hey. - How's it going?
- It's good.
- I'm assuming you and Remy aren't communicating anymore.
- No. - Okay.
What's going on with Mari? Ooh.
- After everything went down,
I found out that things like this have been going on
basically since we've known each other.
- Whoa.
- And I just--I wasn't gonna stand for that.
- That was a pretty big band-aid
to rip those two people out of your life.
In the long run, I mean, maybe you're just better off
without a friend like that. But that sucks.
- Yeah. - How's the baby doing?
- Caiden, he's doing really good.
He's growing up really fast.
- Wow. Nice talking to you, Angel.
Take care of yourself first. It's all good stuff.
- Bye, Angel. - Bye.
- Not a day goes by
that I don't think about her. - Damn.
- Cayden and Adriana met on the cruise.
- They met in real life
and then their relationship became digital.
That's weird that she would
send you her number and then unsend it.
- Oh! - What is this?
- Are we gonna get jumped? - Uh-oh.
- And we pull around to the apartment that he was at,
and he was like, "Are you wearing
the highlight yellow jacket in a Nissan?"
- Like creepy stalker style?
What was the unit number?Is it...
- 2056. - 2056? Check it out.
- I'm nervous. - Yeah.
- 2056, right there. - It is right here.
[knocks on door]
Someone's here.
[dramatic music sting]
Hey, guys, Nev here, and we're back
with a brand-new batch of all-new "Catfish" episodes.
Let's do it.
We've been making the show for over seven years.
We've done over 125 episodes.
- You're a coward, man. - And what's amazing is
we're still encountering things we've...
He was dead for a couple days. What?
- Everybody in Hawaii is in on this.
- ♪ What we see is just the tip of the iceberg ♪
- New ways to fall in love.
We've never ever had two hopefuls hook up.
All-new deceptions.
- He just lied about so much [bleep].
- And new "what the [bleep]" firsts
that are gonna completely flip the script
on what you think you know about "Catfish."
- He's a twin. - An identical twin.
- So join me and all our favorite co-hosts...
- Are we gonna get jumped? - Oh, my God.
- As we dive head first into an all-new season of episodes,
each with a unique...
- ♪ What we see is just the tip of the iceberg ♪
[screams]
- How you doing? - I'm doing great.
I had an injury.
I tore my knee in three places. - Extreme sports injury.
- 'Cause I just like to go full throttle...
- [laughs] And I'm back.
- Welcome back. - I'm on one crutch,
but we're gonna be chill about it.
- Shall we crush this episode? - Yeah.
- Ooh, "Jeepers Creepers." - Oh, my God.
- Does this mean we're gonna deal with some,
like, paranormal stuff, you think?
- Finally. - "Hi, Nev and Elle.
"My name is Angel.
"I'm 18, and my 3-month-old son and I
"live with my mom just outside of Dallas, Texas.
"Just after I gave birth, I was lonely
"and went on PlentyOfFish
"to see if I could find someone to talk to.
I got a message from this guy named Remy."
- ♪ Feel my heart skippin'...
- "He's my age, lives nearby, and he thought I was cute.
"He was the first guy I talked to since I had my son,
"and it was a relief that someone was interested in me.
- ♪ Just give it a try... ♪
- "So we made plans to go to the movies
"along with my best friend Mari.
"But when I went to the theater, he wasn't there.
"I messaged him and he told me he was at home.
"He sent his address.
So Mari and I went over, but we couldn't find him."
What? Very not cool.
"I told Remy I was there.
And he then started saying he could see us..."
- ♪ Sometimes I feel like I'm lookin' at you... ♪
"And he was in a car right by us.
I looked for him but no one was there."
Ooh, creepy. - [gasps]
Oh, my God. - "I'm a new mom,
"and I really don't have time for all this drama.
"If Remy and I are gonna have any chance at making this work,
I need to figure this out, ASAP."
- ♪ Sometimes I feel like I'm lookin' at you ♪
- The creepy aspect of it is a little heavy.
- Right. - Especially for a new mom.
- We got to call Angel. [computer chiming]
- I hope she likes us. - Hey!
- Hey. - What's up, Angel?
How you doing? - I'm great.
- This is Elle. - Hi.
- Hi. - Congratulations on the baby.
- How old is your son? - He's three months now.
- And you're finding time to drive around town,
trying to find Remy? That's a lot.
- That's actually why I wrote in
'cause I don't have time for all of this,
so I need to know what's real and what isn't.
- So tell us a little bit about Remy.
- He's 18, he works at Amazon,
and we connect on, like, a deep level.
Like, when it comes to having serious conversation,
like, about kids or the future,
he definitely seems to have his head on straight.
- Would you consider yourself in a relationship with Remy?
- I do. He told me, "I love you.
You really seem like this really nice girl."
He just-- he makes me really happy.
- Do you talk to him on the phone or just text?
- We talk on the phone and we text.
- Okay. And how often do you guys talk?
- We talk every day, basically.
Like, we'll be on the phone from the time
I'd be home from school to the time he has to go to work.
Like, I fall asleep on the phone, basically.
- Have you FaceTimed him?
- I have FaceTimed him, but when we FaceTime,
I only saw his forehead and up.
- Does it match the photos?
Like, the same sort of hair and--
- No. And that was another weird--
- Okay. So you kind of know
that he's probably not the guy in the pictures?
- I mean, people change up their hairstyles every day.
So I'm just like maybe-- - Angel, come on.
- I change my hair a lot,
but my face stays the same.
[laughter]
- So wait a second. Let's talk about the time
that you went to where he s-- he gave you the address.
What happened?
- I'm like, "Okay, I'm here,"
and he was like, "Well, do you see me?"
And I'm like, "No.
I see a lot of people walking around,
but I don't think that it's you."
He was like, "Well, are you wearing
"a highlight yellow jacket
in a Nissan with a black bumper?"
And I'm looking around like,
"Yeah, but where are you?"
So I'm like, "Which one?" And he never replied.
[ominous music]
I was gonna go over there a second time,
but my friend was like, "No, he's wasting your time.
Don't go over there."
- That's Mari, right? - This--Mari.
She sounds like a good friend.
She sounds like a keeper. She sounds smart.
- Yeah, she is.
She's like a little investigator.
- And what explanation does he have
for not meeting you?
- He says that he has a girlfriend
that he's not with,
but they stay together because she pays for the rent.
- Okay, wow, so Remy lives with his ex-girlfriend.
- Mm-hmm.
- You don't think that after getting stood up
that you'd be like, "Well, screw that.
I'm beautiful. I can find another guy."
- Yeah, but the time before I had my son
was one of my lowest points
because I didn't really have too many people
I could go to besides my best friend.
- So what are you hoping to get out of this?
- It's gonna be heartbreaking if it's not him,
but it's not gonna be just a deal breaker
because my feelings are real,
and I'm just hoping that they're the same with him.
- We'll find out. I want to know.
- Yeah. All right, Angel, sit tight,
and we'll see you really soon.
- All righty. - Toodles.
- Bye.
- Ah. - Sweetheart.
- She's so sweet, she's young,
and she wants companionship... - Right.
- But, I don't know. Something seems fishy.
- I feel like Remy is a puzzle, and right now,
we only have this piece of the puzzle.
- Yeah.[laughs]
- All right, you ready to crack--hold on.
Let me get you your crutch. - Thank you.
- It's gonna take us a while to get there, but we'll get there.
- Yeah, if we start walking now,
we'll get there by next Thursday or something.
- ♪ All this magic in the air ♪
♪ Got me on another wave... ♪
- Texas. - Oh, it's beautiful.
- ♪ So don't wait until it's too late... ♪
- That's a cute little house. - It is cute.
- ♪ Oh-oh-oh-oh ♪
Yo! - Hi!
- Hi! - How you doing, Angel?
- I'm great.
You can come in. - Oh, wow.
- Very nice. - Hi.
- Hi. - Hi, I'm Tasha.
- Hi, I'm Elle. So nice to meet you.
- Nice meeting you. I listen to your music.
I love your music. - Oh, awesome.
Oh, thank you. - Hello, Tasha.
- Tasha. - Tasha, Nev.
- And I watch your show all the time.
- Hey, are you guys... - Sisters?
- No, I'm the mom...
- You're the mom. - Ashe's the daughter.
- Little Angel. - And this is Caiden.
It's amazing that we're meeting y'all in person.
- Yeah. - I didn't think--
sorry it's under these conditions.
- You're probably more worried than--
- I am. - You should be.
- I'm very concerned because I don't know
what's really going on anymore. - Right.
- But at the end of the day, she's 18.
She's grown, and so, she can make her own decisions.
- Well, we are gonna try and figure out who this guy is.
- Please do. - Why don't we sit down?
- Say bye-bye, buddy. - Thanks for having us.
Your home is lovely. - Thank you.
- Let's sit over here.
I want to just go back to the beginning for a second.
So you went on PlentyOfFish and you see this message from Remy.
Tell us how that went.
- I was scrolling through my messages,
and I actually saw his picture on there.
I was like, "Oh, he's a nice-looking guy."
So I gave him my phone number.
- Right after that? - Right.
So when we text, he'd ask me if I was with the dad still.
I was like, "No, we're just co-parenting,"
and he was like, "Well, I don't mind
being there for you and the baby."
That's what caught me because
it takes a lot for someone else to just step up
and be, like, another dad
to someone else's kid. - Right.
- And so me and my best friend Mari
went to the movies one night.
And I'm like, "Hey, do you want to go?"
And he was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."
So it's maybe ten minutes until the movie starts
and I'm like, "Where are you?
Me and her are sitting in the parking lot,"
and he's like, "I'm with my girlfriend,
"but I don't want to be with her,
"and she wants to come over there and confront you
and I'm trying to keep her over here."
- Whoa, red flag. - Wait.
Telling me-- both: Whoa!
- Yeah. - Saying what?
- "You need to come over here" and "we gonna fight,"
and I'm like, "Mari, you're not gonna believe this."
She's like, "Well, I guess we're rolling over there."
I'm just like-- - You went--no.
- Wait, so you went over there as much to meet Remy
as to, like, fight this girl over him.
- It's not more that I wanted to fight,
it's more that I want to see is he being for real.
Like, is this story actually true.
- Right.
- So we get there,
but the apartment number that she gave me didn't exist.
- And that was when he was watching you, right?
But you couldn't see him. - Mm-hmm.
- No explanation for the fact that, like,
he just... - No.
- Stood you up, basically?
Okay, so you started on PlentyOfFish.
- Yes. - Then you were texting.
- Yes. - You got Snapchat.
- Yeah, we started snapping,
but there was a Snapchat on his Facebook page.
I'm like, "Well, that's not the Snapchat
he's been talking to me off of."
And I texted it and I'm like, "Hey."
But he didn't reply to me.
- Did you confront Remy about that?
- No, I didn't tell him 'cause I'm like,
"Mm, I kind of want to catch you in the act
and see if...
- Right. - This is the same person."
- Okay, I guess I want to see what he looks like
because he must be the hottest guy in the world.
- Let's see the guy.
- All right, here's his Facebook right there.
- Okay. - Okay, I see it.
He's cute. - [laughs]
- Wait. Why is his name D Jackson?
- Yeah, what--
- I'm assuming that Remy's like a nickname.
- Did he tell you his last name is Jackson?
Like, he goes by Remy Jackson? - Mm-hmm.
- Look, it's got Snapchat here, right?
- Mm-hmm. - Lives in Chicago.
- He said he was from there.
So I'm like, "Okay, well." - Okay.
- Do you message with this Facebook?
- I sent a friend request, but it hasn't been accepted.
- [groans]
- Come on! - He did tell--
- Angel, come on. - He told me--
- Come on.
It looks like Remy sent you the real guy's Facebook page.
I've never seen a Catfish do this.
I mean, this runaround
with the different profiles and the "come meet me"
and then never showing up, this is weird.
- Yeah, that's not normal stuff.
- Yeah, it's...
- Send us everything you have, and, tomorrow,
I guess we'll just have to see what we can find.
Let's get to work.
- All righty.
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you, Angel.
- [grunts]
- Wow, wow, wow.
It's just nuts. - And she gets it.
She knows that, like, he's definitely suss.
But she's not ready to pull the plug on this guy.
- When you're 18 and you have a baby
and you're sitting at home... - Right.
- Like, a little bit of drama is kind of exciting...
- Yeah. - But there's no way it's him.
There's just no way. - Well, right.
So the real question is, is he really into her?
- I would hate for this to go badly for her.
- It's okay. Watch this, watch this.
- Oh, jeez.
- What? I've got tricks, man.
I'll even go up the step. Killing it.
[upbeat music]
- Okay. What do we got?
Angel, she's 18, she's got a baby.
She goes on PlentyOfFish,
gets a message from a cute boy, Remy.
They start talking, they click right away.
Tries to meet up. He says, "I'll come down."
Never comes down, but he can see her
because he's described what she's wearing.
So we know he's there.
But this guy seems to be lying about something,
most likely his pictures.
- Most likely everything, yeah. - Most likely everything.
All right, here is the email from Angel.
Remy's phone number-- great--
and the D Jackson Facebook page--
which is potentially the real guy's page--
and then, "The Snapchat account Remy gave me
"and this is the one I've spoken to the whole time.
"The one I found on the D Jackson page,
though, is Devn [bleep].
So the address Remy says he lives at is in Dallas.
He told me he lived in apartment 2056.
But there aren't any apartment--"
Okay, so he just made up a number.
All right, let's just start with
the "D Jackson" Facebook page.
He's got 4,200 followers.
- That seems legit. - He said he's 19.
He's got his Snapchat, right, devn [bleep].
I mean, there's a lot of photos on his page.
- Okay, true. - And a lot of people tagged.
- Do you think that Remy is D?
- I think there's a 0% chance that it's actually this kid.
I think D is very clearly a kid
that somebody here in Texas found and was like,
"Oh, this kid's perfect because he's cute,
"posts tons of content,
and, like, is easy to pretend to be."
I don't understand why Remy would give her
the real guy's Facebook page and not just either say
I don't have Facebook or make a fake one."
- What if we just send a snap to D?
- So yeah, let's just hit him up.
All right, "Hey, D, this is Nev from Catfish...
Okay. So now we've got a chat going.
Let's run the phone number, see what we get.
- Texas. - Right.
Celina, Texas. Does say it's a landline.
- So then it's like a text app. - Right.
Maybe the person she's talking-- [phone clicks]
Oh, we got a Snapchat notification.
[phone chiming] - [gasps]
- Oh, okay, there we go.
- Hey, what's up? - What's up?
- Basically, we're doing an episode of the show,
and I think someone's pretending to be you.
We found your page because somebody in Texas
who calls themselves Remy
has been talking to this girl in Dallas.
Do you know anybody named Angel?
No.
It wasn't me. both: Okay.
- Just wanted to confirm that it's not you.
- Okay, coo--
Oh, I think-- - Yeah, I think we got enough.
Well, as what we suspected that he's real
and that the person here is not them.
- Yeah, I can't believe he gave her
the real guy's Facebook page.
That's a first. This is so lazy.
So we know who Angel isn't talking to.
Now the question is who is she talking to.
- Okay. I mean, all we have left to do
is, like, search the address and see if anything comes up.
- Okay. Since the apartment number
they had for Remy doesn't exist,
let's just search the address for the apartment complex.
- Right. - Wow, here it is.
So let's just see. Here are the units.
- Residents--Jackson. R Jackson.
- Wow. R Jackson.
Could be Remy.
So at this point, we've got a lot of evidence
suggesting that he does stay or probably lives in this area.
- Just go there.
- Just drive other there and, like, check it out?
- Yeah. Yeah.
[gasps] Okay?
- Right, so then I think we should go.
- Okay.
All right, time to do some old-fashioned investigation.
- My favorite. - Right.
So what's the plan here? Just ask if anyone knows Remy?
- Say we're looking for Remy.
- Right, so here's the apartment complex.
- So this is the place that she came to that he gave,
the, like, bogus apartment number.
[suspenseful music]
- So this-- - Just drive around.
- Right over here-- someon--you ask her.
You can just roll down the window.
- Hey, excuse me. Hi.
Do you know somebody named Remy who lives here?
- Someone named Remy?
- No? Okay.
Ask them.
- Hey, what's up, guys?
- Do you guys know someone named Remy?
- No?
- All right, thank you.
- 2056.
- Yeah, what was the unit number?
- 2056. - Is it--2056?
- So that's right here. - No way.
I guess the girls just missed it.
Let's just park here... - Yeah.
- And check it out.
♪ ♪
- It's gotta be on the second floor.
- 2056, right there.
- It is right here.
I'm nervous.
♪ ♪
[knocks on door]
Someone's here.
[knocks on door]
Someone's here.
[suspenseful music]
Hey, how you doing? [baby fusses]
- Do you know if someone named Remy lives here?
- No?
- Okay. I think I got the wrong spot.
Sorry.
[door closes]
The guy answered the door. - What did he look like?
- He just looked like a normal dude
in his, like, 30s.
- Did it look like he was telling the truth?
- Yeah, it did. [laughs]
both: Okay.
- So we can cancel that out?
- Well, there's no way you would know that address
and a unit number in that complex
if you hadn't been there.
- Right. - And if he--
- Do you think you just spoke to Remy?
- There's a chance I just spoke to Remy.
- Should we call him and say,
"We're at your apartment complex.
Do you want to meet us"?
- I think we should call Angel first
and see what she wants to do now that we know it's not even
the guy in the pictures. - Yeah.
[line trilling]
- Hey, it's Nev and Elle.
We found some stuff that we want to show you,
so we'll head over that way.
- Anybody home?
- My friend Mari's here. - Oh!
- Hello. - Hi.
- Mari, right? - Yeah.
both: Hi. - Nev.
Nice to meet you. - Hi, I'm Elle.
So nice to meet you. How's it going?
- So nice to meet you too.
- What's up? - Nothing much.
- If you want, we can sit down
and we can kind of walk you through everything
'cause we've been on the case.
- We definitely want our answers.
- Oh, we want answers now.
- Yeah. - You're invested.
- I care about her and her safety.
- Why don't we sit down?
We can show you what we did and what we found.
- All righty. - We can sit down over here.
- Okay. - Well, so wait.
So just before we get into all this like,
Angel told us the story. - Mm-hmm.
- She mentioned you... - Yeah.
- As the friend who was there
that went to the apartment with her.
- Mm-hmm. - But, like, what do you think
about him and the relationship that they're having?
- When she first told me about him,
she said that he was gonna help take care of Caiden,
he was gonna be there for her.
I was like, "Good. That's great.
"You finally found someone
that's gonna be there for you, that's gonna comfort you,"
and then it just kind of veered off to the left.
- He FaceTimed you? - Mm-hmm.
And all I saw was this part of his head.
- Okay, so what did it look like?
- It didn't match the Facebook person at all.
Then he tried to turn us against each other.
- Oh. - What?
- He told her
that me and him were talking... - [gasps]
and was like-- both: Whoa.
- He was like we done slept together.
This, this, and that. - Oh!
- What? Why wouldn't you tell us that?
- She was so conflicted. She started crying.
I was like, "Angel, it's not true.
"I'm telling you. It's not true.
I wouldn't do that to you.
I wouldn't do something that hurtful to you."
- What's your relationship like with him?
- I'm just the friend of her.
I don't really care for him.
- I mean, you made him sound like a real sweetheart...
- [sighs] - When you told us the story.
While I think, at the beginning, he seemed great--
- At first, he was talking all sweet, and then it just--
- You sort of saw a darker side.
- Yeah. - To be lying already
and taking advantage of someone and, you know,
wasting their time, and then turning around
and trying to do something to hurt them even more...
- Mm-hmm.
- That's scary. - Yeah, it is.
- All right, now that we have the whole story,
we found some stuff we want to show you.
So we searched his phone number.
Didn't come back with any registered name,
but it is obviously a Texas area code,
and it says that it's a landline.
Now usually when we see that,
it's because the number is like a text app number.
- Mm.
- But you FaceTimed on that number.
- He FaceTimed me from the email.
- So it was like an Apple ID or something?
- Mm-hmm. - Do you remember what that was?
- Mm...no.
- Mari, do you think it could still be in,
like, your phone log? - Let me see.
[gasps] Here it is. - Oh.
- Oh. - No way.
- This was at 4:00 in the morning?
- Whoa.
- What?
- What were you doing talking to him so late?
- Because he called.
- Was he flirting with you? - Probably, but I don't care.
- Mm-hmm. - But that's messed up.
- I'm not worried about him flirting with me.
- No, but I'm worried. If he's flirting with you
and he's supposed to be talking to her--
- Also, just calling at 4:00 a.m. is...
- Right.
- I mean, not necessarily normal behavior.
♪ ♪
Doesn't make any sense, you know?
- I was trying to get him to send pictures of the apartment
where he said he was, and he wouldn't.
- Then that brings us to the next thing we did was
we did a search for that apartment.
- Uh-huh.
- And the only thing that jumped at us
was someone named R Jackson
'cause his name might be Remy Jackson.
So we just thought, like, let's drive over there.
- Mm-hmm. - And so we did.
And we did find the unit,
and I knocked on the door, and some guy answered it.
All I could think to say was like,
"Do you know someone named Remy?"
And he looked at me and I--
in what I believe to be an honest response,
was just like, "No."
So that means either that guy is a great liar
and that could have been Remy
or his name's not Remy
or that's not what he goes by.
both: Right.
- The most important thing we did was contact him
on that Snapchat from his Facebook page,
sent him a message, just like, "Hey, hit me up,"
and he did,
and we talked to "D," the guy in the pictures.
And I asked him if he has talked to
or knows a girl named Angel, and he said, "No."
- [quietly] Oh.
Oh, my God. - Which basically confirms
that the guy you've been talking to...
both: Is not him.
[somber music]
- [sighs forcefully]
- [clicks tongue, sighs] Good God.
- What's weird to me is why would he then send you to
the real page of the kid
if it's not him. - Exactly.
- Is that just lazy
or was he hoping you'd figure it out.
- 'Cause he went to the trouble
to make his own Snapchat account...
- Mm-hmm. - He could have easily made
a fake Facebook page. - Right.
- It's just weird. - Yeah.
- That's never happened on the show where the Catfish
has told the person they're talking to
the real profile
of the person they're pretending to be...
- Right.
- And, like, sent you to their Facebook.
That's crazy.
The real question now though is if he lied about the pictures,
what else is he lying about.
- Right.
- Because, basically, all we know about Remy
is that we don't know anything.
- ♪ You out of my brain... ♪
- Okay. - ♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh ♪
- You all right?
- ♪ You out of my brain... ♪
♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh ♪
- [sighs] I'm just tired.
- ♪ I can't trust myself ♪
- Hey, you're going through a lot right now.
- This situation isn't normal, obviously,
but the way that you're feeling and what you're seeking
is 100% normal.
- I think this guy has it coming.
He messed with you and your friendship
and deserves to be called out.
He needs to be accountable for this.
- I think this guy has it coming.
He messed with you and your friendship
and he needs to be accountable for this.
So I can call him, and we can make an effort
to meet up with him if you're down with that.
All right, I'm gonna go see if I can get him on the phone.
- Oh, yeah.
- [quietly] You really do deserve a lot more.
[line trilling]
- Hello.
- Hey, this is Nev. Is this Remy?
Hey, Remy.
I don't know if you are familiar with the show "Catfish,"
but I'm with your friend Angel.
I was just trying to see if maybe you'd be down to meet up.
Okay.
We know that you're not the guy in the pictures.
I think, you know, you should tell her the truth.
- Um, all right, well, I-- [line beeps]
Oh.
Wow.
[clears throat, sighs] Um... I spoke to him,
basically, he said, "I can't do the show.
I don't want to meet up with her,"
and then he basically hung up and maybe doesn't care
or maybe he does really care about you,
but, like, he's trying to take the easy way out--
- Instead of you rejecting him. - Right.
- Some of the things that he said,
I just can't see someone just saying it
because they're playing around.
- You could text him.
- I said, "So you can't just meet with me
"and give me an explanation for all of this?
You owe me that much."
And he's just sitting there. - He's looking at it.
- Send him another message and just be like,
"So is this really it?" - "If you wanna, like, man up."
- Right, right. - "Be a man."
Something a little more concrete.
- How about, "Hey, why don't you stop being a little bitch"?
- Ooh, I'll say it.
- "And grow a [bleep] pair of balls."
- Yeah. - I'll say it.
- Yes. Give it to him.
- I said, "So I'll give you till the end of the day.
"If you want to stop being a little bitch about it,
man up, and come forward."
- That's not crazy at all
'cause he's acting like a little bitch.
- [gasps] He's typing.
- What did he say? - He said, "O."
- "O"? Don't write back. - Yeah.
- Don't even watch it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That worked. High-five all around.
Okay, but...
the only way that you're gonna speak to that guy,
whoever he is, is if it's face to face.
- Okay.
- Let him sit in it for a while. - Yeah.
- And that would be punk rock as hell.
That would be awesome. [both laugh]
- Okay. - All right, well, look.
Let us know if you hear from him
or if you hear from him.
[tense music]
We will talk to you in the morning,
see if he's got anything to say.
Okay.
♪ ♪
- What the [bleep].
- I didn't realize how involved Mari had been.
The whole like thing when he tried to tell them
that he slept with her to like start a fight between them.
- Are we 100% sure that Mari is not more involved?
- That would be worse 'cause then--
- That's two people that have lied
and hurt her. - Right, right.
- Like best worst-case scenario,
this guy's just a dick
and she'll get her time to confront him.
- Right.
Either way, this is a girl who has a hard time
saying no, who doesn't want to hurt people's feelings,
who can't stand up forherself.
- Even at the cost of her own-- - Right.
Angel needs to stand up for herself
and learn how to say no.
[knock on door] - Good morning.
- What's up? - What happened?
- Text... - Okay. I'll take it.
- From Remy.
- "I changed my mind. I'll meet today."
So what are we gonna do?
- Well, I think we should, first, check in with Angel.
You can call her.
[line ringing]
- Angel. We heard from him this morning.
He said that he changed his mind
and he has agreed to meet with us.
We're just leaving it up to you to see what you want to do.
Okay, so I guess we'll head over to you.
Okay, bye. - All right.
We should write him back. - Okay, I'll let you do that.
- "We're going to meet Angel now.
"We can meet you in an hour.
"There's a park near her place called Lakeside Park.
Let's meet there." See if he responds.
[phone chime] Ooh!
- What did he say? What did he say?
- He said, "Cool."
All right, let's go.
Let us go.
- I'm nervous. - Yeah. I mean, this guy
is really a livewire.
We know he's dramatic. The whole thing
with getting her ready to fight his ex-girlfriend,
then trying to get between Angel and Mari.
- I can't stop thinking that Mari knows something.
I just think that it's fishy.
Like why would someone's best friend be talking
to their best friend's boyfriend at 4:00 a.m.
and like FaceTiming and stuff?
- I thought that was weird too. - I got Angel's back.
Who needs two good legs?
- Okay, there she is.
- Hi. You look beautiful.
- Thank you. - Hi.
- How you doing? - Good.
- Feeling tough? - Yeah. I'm good in there.
- Let's load it up. - Okay.
- Are you nervous or do you feel ready?
- Mmm...a little bit of both.
- Obviously, I have a lot of questions
just about his whole story, how much of it is true.
- Right. - Is the girlfriend thing true?
What's up with that apartment? - Where was he that day
when he saw what you're wearing in the car?
- Right. - Right.
- Did he ever really plan on meeting you at all?
Lakeside Park.
All right. Shall we text him?
Hey, we just got here.
[phone chimes]
Oh, he said, "I'm by the lake."
Which is, I believe, over there.
- You can do this. You got this.
- Okay.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
- There's a wooded glen over here.
I do see what looks to be like a hooded...
- Yeah. - Individual.
See that guy?
- Mm-hmm. - That must be our guy.
- You got this. You got this. You can do this.
- Remy?
- Must be our guy. - You got this. You got this.
You can do this.
- Remy? - Yeah.
- I'm Nev.
- I'm Elle.
- How you doing? - Hey, how's it going?
- And this is Angel.
[tense music]
♪ ♪
Is your real name Remy? - No, it's not my real name.
- What is your name? - I don't want to say it.
- You're really not gonna tell us your name?
- No. - Should we just call you
Remy then I guess? - Yeah, you call me Remy.
- You guys already know each other?
- Mm-mm. - Oh, okay.
How much of the story that you told her was true?
- I mean, really, everything except for the who I am.
- So your girlfriend is a real person?
- Yeah, I got a girlfriend for real.
- Then why are you messing with people on PlentyOfFish?
I don't get it.
- It wasn't for a relationship.
It was more like a--It was a joke to me.
I made an account to see how long it'll take somebody
to figure out that it was fake.
- That's a weird hobby. - It was just something
to do in my downtime.
- So I imagine you talk to lots of people.
- No, it was just her. She was the first one to reply.
- I mean, you guys talked all the time.
There had to be something real in that.
- No, it wasn't.
- Obviously, if you have a girlfriend,
you're not gonna come on TV
and say that you had feelings for her.
But like, I think it's very clear,
based on the fact that you were talking as much as you were,
that you guys had a relationship.
You can tell me whatever you want,
but, like, you can't pretend,
for the three months that you guys were talking,
it never meant something to you.
- It really didn't. - Yeah.
I've heard you say that already,
but I don't believe it.
- I basically talked to you
like I talked to my best friend.
I'm telling you things that nobody else knows.
Like I go through enough
and then for someone to just sit here
and tell me that it's a game to you, it's not funny.
- I also don't believe that you have no feelings towards her.
No offense, you may be a good liar,
but I don't think you're that great of an actor.
Something is really--I can see you kind of squirming.
I know you feel bad.
- I feel bad a little bit, but not enough for me
to sit here and like apologize
and tell her I'm wrong for everything I did.
- So you wouldn't apologize for that?
- No. - Really?
Don't you think it's pretty [bleep] up to be like,
"I want to help you take care of your baby.
I want to be there"?
- I never took it as like we're like a committed relationship.
She just wasn't catching on quick enough.
- Yeah. But if the game was to mess with people,
you would have just moved on.
- No, it was interesting to see her
come around the house and like not find me,
like I'd be sitting inside a car somewhere else.
- Where did you get the D Jackson profile from?
- Found it on Facebook. - Just found
some random person? - Yeah.
- Sent her the kid's real profile
with a different name, a different Snapchat.
He lives in Chicago. I mean, like, that's a first.
- That's daring.
You sent her the real profile. - I don't know.
I didn't take it seriously. Like, I thought it was funny.
- What about when you told her that you slept with Mari?
- I didn't. When I told her Mari texted me
and she wanted to plan to come over,
like, a hook-up, I tried to warn Angel.
Mari came on to me.
She ended up sending me messages and videos,
pictures saying how she wanted me.
- Really? - Yeah talking about
she wanted to pull up, come out sex
and just like everything.
But when I tried to warn Angel,
she didn't want to believe anything I was saying.
- But why should we believe you?
- I mean, I have the messages of her trying
to come over alone.
Do you want to see the text messages?
- Yeah.
- Here you go. - All right, so--
- I had to screen grab 'em.
- Uh, wow.
Okay. These texts are pretty flirty.
And they definitely seem to be pictures of Mari.
Did Mari know that you were not the guy in the pictures?
- Yeah. We FaceTimed before. - And you showed your face?
- Yeah. She saw me. - She saw you?
- I set the phone up on my TV
and I set up for a good five minutes.
- With your face in the camera? - Yes.
- Wow. - I thought there was
something fishy of them talking at 4:00 in the morning.
- Yeah, we talked almost every night,
saying how she was gonna do sexual acts to me.
- Clearly, we have some stuff to address with Mari,
but it's important for you
to know that you've really hurt her.
- Yeah, I realize that. - You've created a lot
of heartache and damage in her life.
And that's [bleep] up.
- Yeah.
- What made you change your mind
about coming and meeting up today?
- Once in a lifetime.
- Okay. I think that's it then.
Your part of the story, I think, is over.
- All right.
[somber music]
♪ ♪
- [sobbing]
- Sucks to feel like we came here
and that it's not over yet.
But at least you can cut him out of your life.
- ♪ I must sever these ties ♪
- Do you want to text Mari
and see if we can meet up with her?
- Yeah, that's fine.
- All right.
- Hey, Angel, do you want to talk, just you and me?
- Okay. - Yeah.
Why don't you guys just talk a little bit?
- Okay, it's just us.
- I'm just really upset. - He was a dick.
Really didn't believe most of what he said.
Nobody devotes all their time like that...
- ♪ I must sever...♪
- And has those long conversations
if he doesn't care. - ♪ These ties ♪
He had to have cared somewhere. But it doesn't matter.
It really doesn't, you know? It's not about him anymore.
- Yeah. Right now, I'm worried about Mari.
- I have a couple questions I'd like to ask her.
- Yeah.
- Well, that was interesting and crazy.
But I don't really see why he would lie about Mari.
I mean, so much of it we know
is true based on pictures and texts.
- She tells me everything else.
I don't know why she would keep that from me.
- Oh, here's Mari.
- You got this.
- Hello. How's it going?
- Not great. We met "Remy."
- Really?
- He said you and he FaceTimed and you saw his face.
- No. I didn't see his face.
- But most importantly, he told us that you and he
had a whole side thing going,
that you were flirting with him and sending pictures.
- I wouldn't do something like that to her.
- He showed us the pictures.
- I don't know how he got those pictures
'cause I didn't never send them to him.
- I mean--
- I mean, that guy is not a hacker.
- I have had people
that I've dated send out my pictures.
But I don't know who has them or what.
- I can't see--
I just can't see them just circulating around like that.
- It's a little farfetched. - Yeah, it is.
But it's possible.
- You sent it. - No.
- Doesn't make sense to me.
- It's gonna be hard to work through things
and keep friendships built on a lie.
- I mean, it wasn't like I was coming on to him.
He would always text me first and talk to me first.
- That's not true. I saw the text messages.
- I mean...
[melancholy music]
♪ ♪
I'm sorry for not being real with you.
- I just don't know why you didn't tell me till now.
- I just didn't want to hurt your feelings.
- It's just like I can't dismiss it.
You know this has always been a deal breaker for me.
Now I don't know how to feel.
I just need like to do a lot of thinking right now.
- That's understandable.
- I'm just feeling like a terrible friend.
I should have just been truthful.
- Angel, you need to spend some time to think about everything.
Why don't we say good-bye to Mari?
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you too. Okay.
- You're gonna be okay.
You'll just get stronger from this.
Take time and think about how you feel.
Experience the feelings because that's important
so that you don't have to
go through something like this again.
- There are, I'm sure, many guys who would be thrilled
and lucky to be in a relationship with you.
Just make sure they do things to make you feel confident
and secure that they are legit and are gonna do right by you.
- They can work for it, 'cause you're worth it.
I hope you know that. - Yeah.
[computer chimes]
- Hey! - Hey, blondie.
- Hey. - How's it going?
- It's good.
- I'm assuming you and Remy aren't communicating anymore.
- No. - Okay.
What's going on with Mari? Ooh.
- After everything went down,
I found out that things like this have been going on
basically since we've known each other.
- Whoa.
- And I just--I wasn't gonna stand for that.
- That was a pretty big band-aid
to rip those two people out of your life.
In the long run, I mean, maybe you're just better off
without a friend like that. But that sucks.
- Yeah. - How's the baby doing?
- Caiden, he's doing really good.
He's growing up really fast.
- Wow. Nice talking to you, Angel.
Take care of yourself first. It's all good stuff.
- Bye, Angel. - Bye.
- Not a day goes by
that I don't think about her. - Damn.
- Cayden and Adriana met on the cruise.
- They met in real life
and then their relationship became digital.
That's weird that she would
send you her number and then unsend it.
- Oh! - What is this?
- Are we gonna get jumped? - Uh-oh.