Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 6, Episode 5 - Marvin & Austin - full transcript

- I invited Chantal Claret.

She'’s literally a rock star.

Hi!

- Today I'’ll be playing the part
of Nev.

- So, Marvin met Austin,

and they'’ve been having
an "intimate" relationship--

very sexual.

- It was on fire.

- Ooh, then he just went for it!

I'’m excited
to image search this.

- I learned
that he was a model.



- [gasps]
- That'’s really suspicious.

Oh, these are hits.
- Ooh!

- See, who is this guy?

He could know the real Austin
in Missouri--

- He could be
the real Austin.

- He could be
the real Austin.

[phone ringing]
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

We'’re getting something.
- Oh, my God. 417--

- This is it.
- That'’s Austin?

How many twists and turns
can this take?

[dramatic musical sting]

[upbeat music]

- [laughs] It'’s lonely here
in "Catfish" HQ.

Nev is on paternity leave.



Who do I make jokes with?

Anyone have a deck of cards?
I could play solitaire.

Or I could play chess
against myself.

That'’s what I used to do
in prison.

[crew laughs]

All right, let'’s see
what Nev and Cleo are up to.

[ringtone]

Oh, hello!

Oh, my God.
Hi, baby Cleo.

She is so cute.

She'’s got that, like,
not-so-trusting look.

- We'’re just hanging out,
having a little morning chill.

- I miss you, buddy.
- I miss you!

- [laughs]
- So, now you'’re starting

a new episode?

- Now I'’m starting
a new episode.

And I invited an old friend
of mine,

Chantal Claret.

She'’s literally a rock star.

- ♪ You better mount up

- She was in that band
Morningwood.

Now she'’s a solo act.

- Wow. Don'’t screw it up.

- [laughs]
- Have a good time.

And, uh, Godspeed.

- Later, man. Miss you.

Bye-bye.
- Okay, see you!

- I just got a text message.

Chantal is downstairs.
Let'’s go get her.

- ♪ The girl is back
in town ♪

- Hey!
- [laughing] Hey!

- Hey, who gave you
one of those?

- I'’m filming you!
- You can'’t do that.

That'’s my job.
- No, it'’s my job now.

- Hi!
- Whee! Aah!

Today, I'’ll be playing the part
of Nev.

- So, we have come to the first
big beat of the show.

We'’ve gotten an email

that says,
"Gotta Catch My Heart."

- I'’m in.

- "My name is Marvin. I'’m 22,

"and I live in Joplin, Missouri.

"I'’ve been away for basic
training in the National Guard

for the last two years."
- Wow, that'’s exciting.

- "I was trying to meet
new people on social media,

"hoping that I'’d hit it off
with someone.

"All the guys I encountered
only wanted sex,

until I met this handsome guy
named Austin on Grindr."

[rock music]

♪♪

"We took a liking to each other

"and realized we had something
in common:

"we were both new in town.

I learned that he was
a model..."

That'’s not good.
- Yeah.

- "I learned
that he was a model,

but that'’s not
what attracted me to him."

♪♪

"It was his silly jokes
and his outgoing nature

"that stood out to me.

"Despite all of our
passionate conversations

"and saying how much we want
to meet each other,

we'’ve never met in person."

"I'’ve asked him to hang out,

"but he'’s always
conveniently busy.

"I'’m also afraid he might be
hiding something from me,

"like he'’s insecure
about something.

"I have insecurities too,

"but I'’m not afraid to be open
with him.

"I haven'’t been in a serious
relationship with a guy yet,

"but it'’s what I really want
right now,

and I want it with Austin."

- Aww, Marvin.
- Marvin.

From everything I'’ve been told

about Grindr...
- Yeah.

- I thought it was mostly
hookups.

- Yeah, so I'’m curious
as to why he'’s so open

to wanting a relationship.

It seems a little naiïve.
- Right.

- That'’s very worrisome.

- Well, let'’s video chat
with Marvin...

- Okay.
- And just kind of see

what he'’s all about.

- Oh, I got to look nice
for Marvin.

- Look good for Marvin.

- Marvin?
- Hello.

- Hello!
- Hi, Marvin!

- Wow, nice to meet you.
This is Chantal.

- Hi!
- She is going to be filling in

for Nev.
- Oh, okay.

- We have a lot of questions
for you.

Start from the beginning
and tell us

how you came to be
where you are.

- Well, Max, I'’ve been
in St. Louis all my life,

but in the summer, my mother
decided to move to Joplin.

And, uh, and me, just
coming to this new place,

you know, a small town,

I was trying to, like,
make some new friends,

and I met Austin.

It started off on Grindr.

We flirted here and there.

We'’ve actually transferred
phone numbers,

so I got a chance
to speak to him and text him.

We'’ve been talking
three months now.

- That'’s a long time
to talk to someone

who'’s in the same town as you
and not meet them.

- He'’s always busy
when I give him the chance.

It'’s always something.

- When you go on Grindr,

isn'’t it all, like, geo-located?

Like, can'’t you kind of, like,
see if he'’s in the area?

- It said two miles from me.

- Oh, my gosh.
You could walk to him.

- Yeah. I mean,
you'’ve seen our show before.

- Right.
- You know that sometimes

that people aren'’t
what they say they are,

so how important is it
that he is who he says he is?

- Um, if he doesn'’t come out
looking like how he say he is,

I'’m not going away from him.

- Well, look,
if you like this guy,

and you guys have
a great connection,

you should find out who he is.

He only lives two miles away.

We should just come over
to your house

and kind of get the rest
of the scoop,

and start trying to figure out
who Austin is.

- Please!
- Yeah. Awesome!

I can'’t wait to come meet you!

- All right, Marvin.
Stay where you are.

We will be at your house
shortly.

- See you soon!
- Bye!

- Bye!
- Bye.

- I can'’t wait!
- Let'’s go and meet Marvin.

- I got so much love for Marvin.

R-E-A-D-Y. Ready!

- ♪ I can walk
or take a train ♪

♪Jump in a boat,
whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh ♪

- Here we are.

Do you want to knock?
You can knock.

- [screams]
- Hey!

- Hey!
- Hi! Nice to meet you!

Such a pleasure!

- It'’s good to meet you guys.

- How you doing?
- Good to meet you, Max.

Want to take a seat?
- Yeah, sure.

- Oh, well, thank you.
- Whew.

- Um, how long ago
did you move here?

- In the summer.
- In the summer?

So you started talking to Austin
pretty soon after--

- In August.
- In August.

And you moved here in--

- In, like, the first of July.

- Oh, wow, so that was
really fresh.

- So, you haven'’t really
put down any roots here.

- Uh-uh. Not really.

- Were you looking on Grindr
specifically for your friends?

- At first, it was kind of like
a hookup type thing...

- Mm-hmm.
- But then after a while,

I was like,
"Okay, this is getting old."

- And so Austin
really stood out.

- Yes.

He'’s silly and he'’s outgoing.

You know, he'’s good
to engage in a conversation.

- So, can we see him?

- I am dying to see Austin.

- Yeah. Let'’s see
what this guy looks like.

- Okay, so...

- Okay.
- All right. I mean, listen,

I get why you'’re texting
with him.

But these don'’t look
like super-pro modeling shots.

- No.
- They look like

amateur modeling.

- Right. Where is, like,
the first correspondence

you guys had?
- Okay, so...

- You messaged him first?
- I did message him first.

- So, "You looking
for a friend?"

- Yeah.
- "I don'’t mean to sound

"offensive when I say this,

"but I like my milk
with a little bit of chocolate,

if you know what I'’m saying."

- See, he brought up
the kinkiness first.

- So, that'’s where he'’s going.
And then he--

- Oh! Then he just went for it!

Then he just dove right in!

- [laughing] All right.

- So far, the romance seems
to be low on the scale,

and the sex seems to be high.
- Really high.

- I think.
- It was on fire.

I mean, now I look back,
and it'’s like,

"Well, I sent those pictures,
and now I know I'’m exposed."

It'’s like, "hey,
who am I sending these to?"

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

- But it sounds like you

are just really looking
for some companionship

in some capacity, you know?

- Yeah, and I feel like
it was sexual at first,

and then it was just like,
okay, relationship.

And he'’s like,
"Yeah, I actually want one."

I was like, "Oh, okay."

- He said he wanted one, too?
- Right.

- But who is this guy?

Aside from the fact
that he'’s good-looking

and he likes to send
kinky texts.

- He came from Arizona,

and it'’s his first time
here in Joplin,

and I--my first time being
in Joplin.

- When did he move here?
- Around the same time as you?

- About same time as me, so--
- He just moved here.

You just moved here.
Are you sure he'’s not

just saying these things?

- I don'’t know. From what I'’ve
been hearing from his sister--

- Uh-oh. Yeah.
- Who'’s his sister?

- So, he calls me,
and we spoke and everything,

but then he was like,
"Hey, I got my sister here,"

'’cause he had to use
the bathroom.

- So, he goes to the bathroom,
his sister gets on the phone,

and what does she say?

- And she'’s talking
about how he'’s a great guy,

and so she was being
a good reference.

- She'’s not biased at all.

- [laughs]
So, he came back,

and he was talking to me,
and he was like,

"Hey, send me a [bleep] pic."

And I was like...

That'’s kind of random,
like, dang--like--

- Like,
the sister'’s right there,

and then he'’s like,
"Yo, send me a [bleep] pic."

- Uh-huh.
- All right.

So, there are a lot
of red flags here.

- Yeah.
- We'’re gonna find out

what'’s real, what'’s fake,

who the pictures belong to
if they don'’t belong to him,

and who Austin really is.

We'’ll take it from here.

- Mm-hmm.
- Okay.

- Pleasure to meet you.

- Good to meet you too.
- Oh, so excited

that we'’re gonna get
to the bottom of this for you.

- Oh, I really appreciate that.
- I hope. Yeah.

- We'’ll see you tomorrow.

We have a kind
of a love-starved young guy

who'’s never been
in a relationship before,

who'’s turned this Internet
horndog into his love interest.

- Yeah.
- Poor Marvin.

- Aw, Marvin.
- This is not gonna

end well for him.

- This is where we'’re gonna
lead our investigation.

- I can'’t wait!
- After you.

- Why, thank you, sir. Ooh.
- Is it too early for ice cream?

What time is it?
- It'’s ice cream time.

- I'’ve never had ice cream
before noon.

- I'’m gonna say I also haven'’t,
but that'’s a lie.

- What are you trying?

- But it'’s gonna
turn my mouth blue.

- Is that
'’cause of Cookie Monster?

- Wow.
- [laughing] It is blue!

- That is insane.
- All right,

we'’re gonna get to work.

- All right.
- Okay.

- Tell me about Marvin
and Austin.

- Okay. Marvin is a 22-year-old,
young, sweet boy

from St. Louis.

He recently moved to Joplin,

and he was really lonely,

so he went on Grindr.

Then he met Austin,

and he said he is
a famous model,

which is a little suspect.

- So, for the last three months,
they'’ve been talking

and having an intimate
relationship, very sexual.

- Yeah.
- Austin has been cagey

about meeting up with Marvin,

and he has a sister
that has spoken to Marvin.

- Yes. Another thing
about Marvin is

that this is sort of
his first foray

into having a relationship
with a man,

so he'’s really putting himself
out there.

- Right. He hasn'’t had
a romantic relationship ever,

and he'’s really craving an
intimate, romantic relationship.

- Yeah.
- Okay,

so I'’m gonna coach you
through this.

- Ooh!
- So, you go

to his Facebook page.
- You got it.

- What we'’re looking for is
someone who has, like,

an IRL relationship with him.
- Yeah.

- "Who wants to touch this?"
he says,

and then posts a picture
of his banana hammock.

- But listen, if I looked good
in my underwear in a lake,

I would post pictures of me
nakedy in a lake, too.

- Look at--look at the post
before that.

- "Anyone want a spanking?"

- This guy is just literally
dangling it out there.

- Dangling the fruit.

- None of these pictures

have anyone else in them.

- And in your experience,
that'’s very suspicious.

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

- "Thinking about cutting
my hair off again.

What does everyone think?"

- "Come to the salon,

and I'’ll take care
of that luscious hair."

- "Come to thesalon," says
Woody [bleep].

- We want to reach out
to Woody,

because Woody is the only person
thus far that seems to--

- Okay, here'’s Woody.

Okay, so, "Hey, Woody.

This is Max from the MTV show
'’Catfish,'’"

blah, blah, blah,
"you can call me at..."

Okay. That'’s sent to Woody.

Now let'’s do what you'’ve been
wanting to do the entire time.

Perverse image search.

Are you ready?

[upbeat music]

Nothing.
- Okay.

- So, next one.
- Okey-dokey. So, nothing.

- So, what else?
We don'’t have that many left.

This is our second to last
picture--oh!

These are hits.
- Ooh!

- See.
- Who is this?

- It looks like a lot of names
coming up.

Myles Sexton. Myles Sexton.

Who is this guy?

So, there'’s
an Instagram account.

Look. Here are all these other
pictures we haven'’t seen before.

- Aww.
- He is a model.

He'’s got the eyebrow
and everything.

Okay, wait. Here we go.

Director of NORD.

He'’s a creative director
of NORD Magazine.

Toronto, Canada.

- What?
- Wait. There'’s a Facebook page.

So, here is Myles'’s
Facebook page.

- He lives in Toronto.
- Oh. Oh, right.

- And in a relationship!
- [gasps]

Yeah, he does have a boyfriend.

- So...
- So, this guy is real.

Let'’s send him a message.

- Yeah. We should let him know
what'’s going on.

- Oh, boy. So, "Hey, Myles..."
- Myles.

- "This is Max
from the MTV show '’Catfish.'’

"I know this might be strange,

but we'’re doing an episode
that might involve you."

- Yes.
- Sent.

So, this is the kind of thing
that when we show Marvin--

- Yeah.
- This is gonna really,

really bum him out.
- Yeah.

- So, now the question is:
who is he really talking to?

Who is behind the profile?
- Yeah.

[computer pings]
- Oh! Woody [bleep].

both: "Sure, I know Austin.
My friend hangs out with him."

- So, he is a really big
missing link right now.

- Right. He could know the real
Austin Sanderson in Missouri.

- He could be the real Austin.

- He could be
the real Austin Sanderson.

He works at Bella Vie.

- Open now. Shall we?

- It'’s not far.
Why don'’t we pay him a visit

and see what he knows?

- Well, we'’re about to roll up
on him.

- Rollin'’ up!

- What a crazy job this is.

So, should we be, like, tender

with how we approach this?

Like, we don'’t want
to scare him away.

- No, we definitely don'’t want
to scare him away.

We want to know what he knows.
- Yeah.

- So, we want to extract
information from him.

There it is!
- Bella Vie! Bella Vie!

- Bella Vie, which means
"Beautiful life."

- Mm-hmm.
- In Italian?

- Should I just, like,
stay in the car?

- No, no, no. Wait outside.
- Okay.

Oh, my God. Good luck, Max.

- Here goes nothing.
- Good luck. Good luck.

- Here goes nothing.
- Good luck. Good luck.

Good luck.

- [whispering] It'’s quiet.

Hello?

Hello?

- Hi.

- Hi. Is that Woody?

- Hey, it'’s Woody.
- How you doing, man?

- Good.
- I'’m Max.

- It'’s weird if I lurk in there,
right?

Like...I don'’t want to make
anybody uncomfortable.

- Would you mind coming outside
and talking to us for a second

about your friend Austin?

- Go for it.
- Is that all right?

So, this is our crew.
- Hey.

- We'’re helping out a young man
who lives here.

He is dating, albeit virtually,
Austin Sanderson.

But we'’re not so sure
who Austin is,

and so you said to us

that you have a friend that is,
like, going out with him, or--

- I'’m not sure about that.
I know they'’re friends.

- Okay.
- Okay.

- Who is your friend,
if we may ask?

- Kurt.
- Kurt.

Kurt has seen him in person?

- I think he'’s seen him
at a party or something.

- Hmm.
- You think so.

- Do you have a way
to get in touch with Kurt?

- Well, a phone number.
- That would be great.

- Okay.
- Okay, here. One second.

Okay. Thank you so much.

- Okay, here we go.

[line trills]

- Hi. Is this Kurt?

- Hey, Kurt. My name is Max.

I am on the show "Catfish."

We'’re helping a young man
named Marvin

who believes he'’s having a
relationship with a guy

named Austin Sanderson.

Do you know that name
or that person?

- Really?
What does Austin look like?

- Wow. So, Austin is real?

- And does he live in Joplin?

- Interesting. Um, do you--

you don'’t have his phone number
or anything, do you?

- All right. Thanks, Kurt.

- Kurt.

How has he met this person?
He'’s met a fake person.

- There'’s something
really sketchy.

- Let'’s get back in the car...
- Okay.

- '’Cause it'’s cold.
- Yeah.

- Let'’s go tell Marvin

everything we'’ve found.

- We know that Kurt is lying.
- Right.

Kurt has something to dowith it.

- Yeah.

- We know that Marvin is
not talking to Austin Sanderson

the model.

- Right. We can tell him

that we talked to Kurt,

and he said he'’s met
Austin Sanderson in person,

which is weird, '’cause how can
you meet him in person

when we know that
the real person is Myles Sexton?

- Yeah.
We know that Kurt is lying.

- Kurt is the prime suspect.

- Okay, ready?
- Do it.

- Hello!
- Hey!

- Hi!
- Hi, Chantal!

- How you doing?
- It'’s going well.

- Can we sit here?
- Yeah, take a seat.

- Are you ready to know
what we know?

- I'’m down.

- Okay, so let'’s dive in.

We looked at Austin'’s page.

The first thing we saw
on this picture...

"Thinking about cutting my hair
off again.

What does everyone think?"

And Woody [bleep] posted,
"Come to the salon,"

so we reached out to Woody.

And he said,
"Sure, I know Austin.

My friend hangs out with him."

That seems to be a reference to
a in-real-life, physical meeting

between Austin and someone else.

- It really does.
- It really does.

So, we decided to go
to Bella Vie,

where he works...
- Mm-hmm.

- And we met him.

He said, "Yeah, no,
I have this friend, Kurt

who met Austin at a club
a couple months ago,"

so he gave us
Kurt'’s information.

So, we talked to Kurt,
and Kurt says he met Austin

in real life,

described more-or-less the guy
that you showed us.

- Yeah.
- That'’s great.

- Don'’t get too excited.
- Yeah.

- Okay.

- Then we ran the photos,

and we got a hit.

This one brought us
to the Instagram account

of a guy named Myles Sexton.

- Hmm.

- He'’s got 15.5 thousand
followers

and lives in Toronto, Canada.

Creative director
of NORD Magazine.

Model and stylist.

Now, this person seems to be

perhaps the real person

from the pictures.

- I see.

- When you click on the link
to Myles'’s page,

it says he'’s a national
makeup artist at Lancôme,

creative director
at NORD Magazine,

lives in Toronto,

and that he'’s in a relationship.

- Okay.

Myles Sexton.
That'’s--that'’s Myles Sexton.

- We'’re pretty sure that the guy
in the pictures...

- Yeah.
- Of Austin...is Myles,

and that you'’re not talking
to Myles.

- Hmm.
- So, we still don'’t know...

- Who Austin is.
- Who you'’ve been talking to.

Now that you know
that the pictures are Myles,

what do you hope for the
best case scenario for this?

- That I can still meet
this guy.

- ♪ Signal

♪ Wave across the waterfall

- But then who is this girl
that jumped on the phone

that'’s his sister?
- Yeah.

- Yeah, that--
yeah, that girl.

- Whose wiener is that?

It'’s not this guy'’s wiener.

You know, the only thing left
for us to do is

we can just call your Austin.

We have the number.

And just kind of
gently let him know

that we want you guys to meet

so that he can tell you
the truth.

- Okay.

I--I want to meet him,

and I want to hear
what is going on.

- Well, if it'’s okay with you,
then I'’m gonna step outside

and call him.

- All right, go ahead.

- Should I stay here?
- You--

you guys can hang out.

I'’ll be back. Wish me luck.

- Good luck.

- All right. I don'’t like
doing this without Nev.

[line trilling]
[Max exhales]

- The person you are calling

cannot accept calls
at this time.

We'’re sorry for any
inconvenience this may cause.

[line beeps]

- I'’m gonna try texting him.

- What are you hoping is gonna
come out of that conversation?

- I--I hope that, you know,

he still cares about me,

and that he'’s not some,

you know, sick bastard.

[text message whooshes]

- Okay, I sent it.

- I exposed my pictures,
you know, to him,

and that makes me look bad.

I gave my--myself up, you know?

To somebody that I hardly know.

And I know better than that.

That I know.
I know better than that.

[ringtone]

- Uh-oh. Wait, wait, wait.
I'’m getting something.

I'’m getting a FaceTime call.

Hello?

- Oh, my God.

[ringtone]

- Uh-oh. Wait, wait, wait.
I'’m getting something.

I'’m getting a FaceTime call.

Hello?

- Oh, my God.
If you wouldn'’t mind,

I'’d actually really like
to put you on the phone

with Marvin.

- Okay, I'’m going back inside.

Hey, guys.
I got a call from Myles,

who'’s here.

Myles, this is Marvin.

- [laughs] Hey.

- So, Marvin,
for the last few months,

has been talking to someone
on the Internet

who goes by the name Austin,

who has been using
a lot of pictures of you.

- So, you live in Toronto?

- You'’ve never been to Missouri?

- Aww.

- Aw, this is so--

- It'’s all right. This is good
to hear from you, though.

- Aww.
- Well,

thank you so much for calling,
Myles.

I know this is weird
and awkward, but--

- ♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh

- Bye.
- Bye.

- Bye.

- ♪ We bleed the same

♪♪

- Oh, wow.

- ♪ Ooh-ooh
don'’t want to cry ♪

♪But I break that way ♪

- I'’m sorry.
- I don'’t know, it'’s just like,

oh, wow, that'’s, you know, the
person I'’ve been talking to.

That'’s not the person
I'’ve been talking to.

It was, like,
who I wanted to meet.

♪♪

♪ If you ran away
if you ran away ♪

♪ Come back home

♪ Just come home

- We'’re gonna go.
- Mm-hmm.

- We'’ll call you
in the morning.

By then, I really hope
that we have another lead,

or maybe a response back
from Austin.

- [sighs]
- All right, man.

- All right.
- Aww.

- I'’m sorry that it couldn'’t
have been better news.

- Yeah.
- It'’s all right.

- Have a good night, okay?
- You, too.

- All right? Take care tonight.
- Later, man.

Ugh, poor guy.

- Aww. It'’s so interesting to me
that he'’s still open

for a relationship
if it'’s anything--

- He says he is.
- Yeah.

- Like, until the person is
in front of them,

it doesn'’t really hit them

that this person has been lying
to them.

[ringtone]
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

We'’re getting something.

- Oh, my God.
417--whose number--

- This is it.
- Who is that?

- It'’s someone from Joplin.

Hello?

- Yes.

- Yes.

- Absolutely.

- Sure.

- Okay. Thank you, Isaiah.

- You too.

- Oh, my gosh!

How many twists and turns
can this take?

[phone line trilling]

- Hey, Marvin!

We got a call from Isaiah,
Kurt'’s boyfriend.

He wanted to come forth
and talk to us

and put an end to all the drama.

We'’d love to come by and bring
you over to Isaiah'’s place.

- Here goes.

Looks like he lives
pretty close.

- Yeah, this is really not far.

- [sighs]

- Are you okay to do this?
You'’re ready for this?

- Yes. Yes, I am.
- Yeah?

[doorbell chiming]

- Hello.
- How you doing?

- Good.
- Isaiah?

- Yeah. I'’m Isaiah,
Kurt'’s boyfriend.

[eerie music]

♪♪

- Marvin?
- Yes.

- I'’m Isaiah.
Nice to finally meet you.

So, Austin'’s not a real person.

- I'’m aware of that.

- Kurt is behind it.

- So, Kurt is the one who'’s been
operating the profile?

- Yeah, and he'’s evidently
pretending to be someone else.

And I don'’t know why.
I wish I knew why.

It would make my situation
a lot easier.

Once I found out about it,
I tried to, you know,

put a stop to all of this,

and I am truly,
from the bottom of my heart--

you can'’t understand--
I am so sorry

for what he'’s put you through.

- I hope to see him.

- I think we better go
pay Kurt a visit.

- He went to a friend'’s house,
and he knows you guys are here.

He has to know
you guys are coming.

- Okay.
- Do you want me

to text you the address?

- Yeah. That would be great.

- Bye. Thank you.

- I don'’t like my feelings being
played like that,

and my time.

[phone buzzes]

- Guys, I'’m actually seeing
on this map

that we can just walk.
- Okay.

- Isn'’t this crazy?

- Yeah. [sighs]

I'’m ready for this
to get over with.

All right.
- All right. You ready?

- Yeah.

[suspenseful music]

♪♪

[doorbell ringing]

♪

- Hi.
- Hi.

- Uh, Kurt?

- No. I'’m Jason.

- You'’re Jason.
Is Kurt here?

- Yeah. Just a second.

- Thanks.

- Who was that?
- I don'’t know.

- Hi there.
- Are you Kurt?

- Yeah, I'’m Kurt.

- I want to introduce you
to Marvin.

- Hi, there.

I'’m Kurt.

- Kurt.

Why'’d you lie to me?

- Well, you weren'’t
really talking to me.

- What do you mean, I wasn'’t--
[laughs]

- Oh--okay. Can you guys explain
what'’s going on here?

- I knew about the profile.

I even helped create
the profile.

But you were actually talking
with Kylea.

- What?

- I actually have spoken to you
on the phone before.

- This is the sister.

- All of us have the password
to the profile.

All of us saw every message.

- Are you the only people
involved in this,

or are there more people?

- Uh, involved in the profiles,
that was just us.

- But how can you justify that?

- Yeah, go back to the beginning
and explain this.

I need to get
all the facts here.

- Originally,
the profile was created

to bust cheaters.

- [scoffs]

- That was the entire--
- That was the intent.

- Well, I wasn'’t cheating
on anyone.

- You, unfortunately,
got caught in the crossfire,

and we started talking to you
quite a bit.

And, um...

I guess we liked you.

- How did you guys do it?

- I made the Facebook profile.

I didn'’t talk to anyone
on any of the profiles.

That was just Kylea.
She liked talking to Marvin.

- What did you have to do
with it?

- I found people to target.

- Because you somehow knew

which guys were probably
cheating on their boyfriends?

- Had a feeling.

- Even though we have hurt you,

we really care about you.

- That'’s it?
That'’s all you guys got?

How many other Marvins
are there?

- There'’s probably
only about 10 to 15

that held conversations.

- That'’s a lot.
- Wait. That'’s a lot of people.

- 15 Marvins.

- No, you we talked to the most.
- No, I wouldn'’t say that.

You'’re the only persons
we have a friendship with.

- But, well, depends
what you call a friendship.

- Just from morbid curiosity,

what did you do
when you found out

that someone was kind of
flirting extracurricularly?

Did you out them?

- We outed one person.

- So, one person?

For all the Marvins

and whoever else you guys were
dragging through this,

you got one person?

That'’s a lot
of collateral damage,

don'’t you think,
for one--one victory?

- I feel
like I'’ve been tormented

for the past three months.

Y'’all playing with my feelings.

- What made you think
that all this was real?

- I don'’t know.
I was giving it a chance.

It'’s not fair. It'’s not fair
that I get taunted

with saying,
"Why do you think this is real?"

Why are you making this account?

- Yeah, I don'’t understand
the question.

Why wouldn'’t he think
this was real?

- Do you really think
that somebody like that

would live here?

- That'’s not
what we'’re talking about.

- That'’s--that'’s--
that'’s not.

- I wouldn'’t be so ready
to be sending pictures

and stuff like that, and--

- You'’re not about to blame
the victim here, are you?

'’Cause that sounds like
where you'’re going with this...

- No. No.
- And that would be really

[bleep] up.

- I think that'’s
what he needs to know.

- Well, I think he can

come to his own conclusionhimself.

That'’s not your job.

- You'’re not in the position

to teach him any lessons
right now.

- Then why do you show your
pictures and stuff like that?

- You entrapped him!
- I'’m just having

a really hard time--
- Am I in crazy world?

- I'’m just having
a really hard time--

- Listen. But that'’s what I
want you to know from me.

That'’s the only reason
why I'’m here.

- I understand
what you'’re saying.

At least I am honest.

- You found a vulnerable guy
who had just moved to town,

you'’re tempting him
with a good-looking guy,

and you'’re asking for pictures,

and then you'’re gonna blame
the person

that you'’re seducing?

- Well, none of our intention
was to shame him.

- You'’re shaming him
for falling into a trap.

- I don'’t feel like anything we
could say to you is

gonna make you feel better.
- Make you feel any better.

- And that'’s probably correct.

All right.
- Good-bye.

- Bye, guys.

Jesus Christ.

What [bleep]holes.

- [bleep] that.
- Oh, lord.

- They made us look
a lot worse.

- Yeah. Max was pretty harsh.

- Kylea, what did you think
it was gonna be?

I mean, we were [bleep]
with people.

What do you think?
They'’re gonna be nice about it?

Seriously.

[phone line trilling]

- Hey, Kurt.
It'’s Max and Chantal.

- We would love to meet up
with you today.

- Can we meet with all three
of you guys?

- We will see you, then,
shortly.

- Let'’s go grab Marvin.
- Cool.

- All right,
we'’re gonna go over there.

Let'’s get our questions
answered,

and then we can burn their house
down on our way out.

- [laughs]
- Okay?

- Yeah.
- All right.

- Hi, guys.
- Hi.

- Hello.
- Come on in.

- Thanks for meeting up with us
again today.

How do you guys feel
about yesterday?

- Uh, horrible.

We all had our own forms
of breakdown

after yesterday.

[crying] Sorry. I just--

Thanks. I just--

I know what it'’s like

to be on the other end.

So I'’m really sorry.

Most of my boyfriends have not
ended up straight.

I'’ve been the cover story

for almost every single person
I'’ve dated.

- Wow.
- So I had a Grindr account

to see if anybody I dated was
on there.

- How did this go from you
to these two guys?

- I think for Kurt and I,
it was more of the targeting

the people who were cheating
on their partners.

- You just wanted
to out the cheaters.

- Well, for me, I mean,

I was in a relationship
up until January,

and we had a lot
of cheating problems going on.

- My involvement was
just setting the profiles up.

- Why did you keep it going
with Marvin

if he wasn'’t even one
of the targeted people?

- The thing is is that I was
trying to keep him interested

enough to want to meet us
in person.

- You were gonna meet--
you were gonna meet him?

- For what purpose?
- To tell him the truth,

that the profile was fake.

- That'’s why you kept on lyingto him?

Because you wanted
to finally get him to meet?

- When would this eventually
happen?

- That doesn'’t make much sense.
- That just doesn'’t make sense.

Why not just stop talking
to him, or--

- You can just be honest
and say, "You know what?

"It was funny. We were
just messing around with him.

"He didn'’t seem
like a real person

"'’cause it'’s just a profile
on the Internet,

"so we were sending the pictures
back and forth

"and we were laughing about it,

"and we were looking
at his [bleep],

and it felt mischievous."

- That'’s not the entire truth,
though.

- But until you tell us
something that--

- Replaces that.

- Replaces that,

we'’re just going to assume

that that'’s probably
what it was.

- When the more graphic, dirty
conversations were going on,

we were typically together.

- And were you laughing?
- Um, yeah.

- And having a good timewith it?

- We did.
We did laugh at first, yes,

but towards the end--
- Be honest.

- I'’m saying--
- Please.

- Was it fun?

- I wouldn'’t say it was fun.
- And funny.

- It was funny,
but it wasn'’t fun.

It was funny.

- If it was funny,
it was fun.

- I don'’t think it'’s funny
anymore.

- Right. Well...- Yeah.

- That'’s toying
with my feelings.

Like, I'’m thinking, like,
something'’s happening here,

like, something'’s,
you know, fusing,

but nothing is--
nothing'’s coming together.

It'’s just all for show.

- You were [bleep] with Marvin,

and it'’s hard to say it
because Marvin'’s sitting here,

and you did him wrong,

but that seems to be the truth.

It'’s an ugly truth,
but I think everyone

has their trials
and tribulations,

and everyone gets hurt in their
life by different people.

And you can deal with that hurt

by hurting other people,

or choose to pass on
something more positive instead.

Marvin is clearly not going
to go out

and lie to other people
and hurt them.

- I won'’t.
I don'’t have time for that.

Only thing I'’m asking is:
will this end

so that others don'’t get hurtlike me?

- So, could you leave a message

on the Austin timeline

saying, "To everyone on here,

I apologize,
but this is a fake profile"?

- Yeah.

- ♪ I'’m putting you out
of your misery ♪

- I can.

- Can you do that now?
- Yeah.

- ♪ '’Cause darling
you'’re dragging me down ♪

- That will help ensure
that it'’s shut down

if you announce to everyone
that the page is fake.

- ♪ But I'’m over that now ♪

♪ I'’m taking you out ♪

♪ It'’s a cruel, cruel world ♪

♪♪

- "I apologize
for what we have done.

This is an entirely fake page."

All right.
So, that'’s that, then.

- Mm-hmm.

- Marvin, how do you feel?

- I feel a lot better.

- ♪ I used to see beauty
in people ♪

- I learned my lesson, too,
from this,

but I hope you learned yours.

- Definitely.

- ♪ You know I never wanted
to hurt you ♪

- All right, well,
let'’s get going, then.

- All right, Marvin.
- All right.

- ♪ I'’m sorry, my friend ♪

♪ This is the end ♪

- Thank you for your time.

- ♪ So I'’m saying
my good-byes ♪

- All right. Good-bye.

- ♪ Good-bye to my good side

- Do you feel relief?
- I do.

- Yeah?
- I just needed that closure.

- Yeah. This is your story now.

- Yeah.

- ♪ I'’m cutting all the ties ♪

[phone line trilling]

- Hey!
- Hey, Marvin!

- Marvin, how have you been
since we left?

- It'’s been going great.

- Have you been hitting up
any other dating apps?

- No.
- No.

- I guess I'’ve just been
more careful.

- I think that'’s a really good
call on your part.

I have no doubt you'’re gonna
make a great group of friends

once they meet you.

You'’re the best.

- Keep on charming, Marvin.

- Charmin'’ Marvin.

- Bye!
- Bye!

[phone line trilling]

- Hey.
- Hi, guys.

- Hello.
How are things in Joplin?

- It'’s going okay.
- Trying to stay out

of other people'’s business.

Who'’s cheating on each other
and whatnot

is not our place, so--
- Well, that'’s good.

- And you'’ve stopped catfishing?
- Yeah. Completely stopped.

- You know, honestly,
I don'’t lie to anybody

about anything anymore.

There'’s no reason to.

- Great.
- Awesome.

Hopefully you actually mean
what you say this time.

- All right, well,
good luck, guys,

on moving forward.

Take care.
- Bye!

- Bye!

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