Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 5, Episode 20 - Andrew & Zach - full transcript
Andrew thought he met the perfect match on Tinder in Zac until he received a text message from a friend revealing shocking new information. As Nev and Max look into the case, they suspect Zac could be keeping a very big secret.
- Do you feel like you might be
falling in love with this guy?
- I do.
- I am hopeful
that this could work out.
- Look what
the first comment is!
"You'’ll be on Catfish
before you know it."
- This could be a married guy.
- This has happened, like,
more than 50-60 times, now.
- Who is this person?
- We have to assume everything
he'’s told you is not true
but maybe there could still
be something here.
- We'’re about to find out.
I see him.
- You do?
- Hey, guys. This is our last
episode of season five.
- That'’s right.
- The shooting in Orlando
happened two weeks ago.
I hope that no one
has forgotten it
by the time this airs.
To kind of honor the memory
of the people who were killed,
we are wearing these shirts.
- If making this show
has taught us nothing else,
we all want the same thing:
we all want to love,
we want to be loved,
and everybody is beautiful
and has a story
and deserves to be heard.
- Amen.
- Oh, boy.
[both laugh]
Okay, you ready?
- Yeah.
- "Help for the hopelessly
romantic.
"Dear Nev and Max,
my name is Marian
"and I currently live
in North Carolina.
"I'’m writing you because
I have this amazing friend,
"Andrew, who just recently
relocated to California
"and has been talking
"to a guy he met on Tindr
out there named Zac.
"Andrew has given me
some details about the situation
"and I'’m pretty sure
he'’s being catfished.
"Andrew still continues
to talk with him,
"even with the red flags
"of him not arranging
to meet or video chat.
"They'’ve never even spoken
on the phone.
"Andrew'’s naiveté might be
"because Andrew and I met
in a similar manner.
"We talked online for years,
and when we finally got around
"to meeting in person,
"I was exactly the same
as I am online.
"I really would love for Andrew
to meet someone
"that is worth his time
and feel it'’s best
"to get this stopped now
than to see it go on
"for many years like some
of your previous guests.
"Thank you so much for taking
the time to read my email!
"- Marian."
- This girl has watched
the show.
- Yeah.
- She'’s a pro.
- Let'’s give her a call!
video chat ringing]
- Hey!
- Hi! What'’s up?
- Hey, Marian!
- How are you guys doing?
- Great!
- Good!
- So we just read your email.
It sounds like you really care
about this guy.
- Yeah, he'’s one of the first
people that I met on Facebook,
and he and I have gotten
really close
over the last few years
or so.
You know, from what he knows
of people meeting online,
he thinks it goes off
without a hitch.
He moved out to California
and started messaging me
saying,
"I met this guy on Tindr."
I'’m like, "Okay,
so you guys met."
"No, we haven'’t met yet."
And I'’m like, "Okay,
so have you guys talked
on the phone?"
He'’s like, "No."
And I'’m like, "Are you sure
you'’re not being catfished?"
He'’s like, "What does that
even mean?"
So I don'’t want to see him
get hurt.
- Your concerns are justified.
- Does Andrew know that you'’ve
written in to the show?
- Yeah, absolutely.
- We should see if we can
add him to the party, here.
- Okay, let me see if he'’s on.
It looks like he is.
- Oh! Hey, Andrew!
- Yo!
- Oh, my God!
- We heard a little bit
about you from Marian.
Marian, it was very nice
to meet you.
- You too. '’Preciate it.
- And thank you
for setting us up with Andrew.
So we'’re gonna help him out.
- I love you, darling!
- Bye, hon! Love you.
- Bye, sweetie.
- All right!
- All right.
- So, Andrew, welcome
to the show.
We'’re very anxious
to find out a little bit more
about this Zac character.
- Okay, so I originally moved
from North Carolina
to the Bay Area.
I met Zac on Tindr.
He is a CrossFit trainer,
and there was a really cute
one-liner:
"Are you spaghetti?
"Because I'’d like you
to meat my balls."
It was really funny.
You know, it lends a sexual
connotation, there,
but the tone
of our conversations
isn'’t sleazy.
- I like your intellectual
analysis of his one line.
- Yeah, well,
I'’m so used to getting
inappropriate texts from guys
on dating apps
so it was just refreshing
to have something
a little different.
- ♪ Take my hand
♪ And don'’t look back ♪
♪ Let'’s go ♪
- Zac to me was attractive
on more than just
a physical level.
- ♪ Love keeps moving,
moving fast ♪
- I get a "good morning" text.
I get a "good night" text.
We talk every day.
- ♪ Too young
Too young to be old ♪
- There'’s no sexual overtones,
so Zac really seems to be
into me
but I can'’t seem to get
a hold of him.
- So Zac lives in the Bay Area
and where do you live now?
- I'’m in LA.
- But that makes
a lot more sense
as to why you guys
haven'’t met up yet,
because you actually
haven'’t been
in the same city since you'’ve
met.
- Yeah. He'’s--he'’s always been
away from me.
- Right.
But it doesn'’t explain
why you guys
haven'’t talked on the phone.
- The--the thing about that is
he'’ll always have an excuse.
I'’ve even brought up, like,
"Hey, you know I have Skype
or FaceTime or, you know,
whatever works for you,"
and he seems to always be busy
with work
or, "Can we do this later?"
You know, there'’s always
an excuse.
- But there'’s definitely
a mutual attraction
and you'’d like
to touch his body.
- His meatballs.
- [laughs].
- So Andrew, if you met Zac
and it worked out,
would you consider moving
to Santa Cruz
or up to the Bay Area?
- Yeah. Yeah.
Zac means a lot to me,
so having something more
with him would be great.
- Well, so look, if you are down
to find out what'’s really going
on with this Zac guy,
we can make that happen.
- Yes. Yes!
- The good news is
we'’re already in Los Angeles.
- That'’s right.
- So we have a coffee shop
that I think would be
a great place to meet up.
We'’ll text you the address.
- Let'’s do it!
- All right, we'’ll see you
really soon.
- Thanks, guys!
- All right.
Is Tindr what you yell when you
got the date,
like, just like when
a tree falls, like, "Tindr!"
- [laughs].
- All right.
- Let'’s see if we can fit
all the good times
that we normally have
traveling cross-country
into this short ride.
- Yeah.
♪ Doener wrapper done right
and extinguished ♪
- Oh look, there'’s
the Hollywood sign!
- Wow! There it is!
- Whoa!
- And look, there'’s the Mann'’s
Chinese movie theater!
- Oh, man!
- Oh, my God!
- Look, there'’s a thousand acreson fire!
- Oh, my God!
- ♪ Berlin got blurry
♪ When my eyes started telling
it to ♪
- Look, there are
the Beach Boys!
- Hey!
- Hey!
♪
- All right. Hey, there he is.
What'’s up?
- Hey!
- How are you, Andrew?
- How are you guys doing?
- Good to meet you.
- You'’ve got nice sweat shorts.
- Yeah.
- The look of LA. This is what
LA looks like.
Casual, shorts, sneakers.
Could be going to the gym.
Could be coming from the gym.
Well they'’re in. Joggers.
- I wear them all the time,
whether they'’re in
or they'’re out.
- Joggers, they call them now.
- I'’m out with the sweatpants.
[all laugh]
- Okay, so wait.
I imagine you probably get tons
of matches on Tindr, right?
I mean, everybody who comes
across your profile
probably swipes right.
- I wouldn'’t say that.
- Well no, but you--you do get a
lot of matches.
- When I have--I have
a lot of potential matches.
- Well, how many matches
have you had?
- Almost 800.
- 800?
- Is that a lot?
- Yeah, that'’s a lot!
Are you kidding?
- It'’s a--it'’s a high number
but I don'’t know.
I got married
before the Tindr revolution.
- Okay, so but--but to get to--
back to my point.
So you'’re a guy who clearly
doesn'’t have any problem
meeting other guys.
- I don'’t, but I think
the problem comes in
with relationships.
- What are--what'’s the average
sort of social media,
Tindr relationship like?
- It'’s usually like,
"Hey, what'’s up? You'’re hot.
"Here'’s my number. What are you
doing tonight?
"Where do you live?"
And then it'’s "Here'’s my [bleep]
pic, do you wanna [bleep]?"
That'’s the general experience.
So the fact that Zac hasn'’t had
a sexual overtone,
other than the first initial
Tindr conversation,
there hasn'’t been anything
really, extremely sexual.
- No sexual tone?
- No sexting? No nothing?
We'’re getting in--
- I'’m a classy lady!
- We'’re just getting right in!
- I'’m a classy lady.
I don'’t do that!
- [laughs]
- Let'’s just see this guy.
Show me the Tindr--
- Tindr conversation, yeah.
- I want to see his profile.
All right, so his opening line
after they matched was,
"Are you spaghetti? '’Cause
I want you to meat my balls."
- Which is, like, oddly--oddly
sexual in nature--
- So his one sexually
provocative line--
- But not like--not like,
here'’s my penis.
- That'’s not--that'’s not sexual.
- Here'’s my penis,
what do you think?
- You don'’t want the meat,
you want to meet.
- I want to meet
and then maybe the meat later.
[all laugh]
- All right, so here'’s
his profile. Very handsome.
It says, "New to California
from Texas.
"Moving to SF in July.
Currently live in Santa Cruz.
"Enjoy working out
and being active.
"CrossFit trainer."
All right, so this guy--yes,
very handsome.
- So here'’s--here'’s the thing,
guys.
There have been some recent
developments I can share.
So casually a friend of mine
reaches out to me.
He happens to be
on the East Coast
and he'’s looking for a place
to stay
and wants to know if I know
people in Charleston.
We'’re talking about things,
and he says,
"Well, show me a picture of this
guy, Zac, you'’re talking to."
So I send him a photo
and he says,
"Holy [bleep],
I know who this is."
- What?
- And he pulls up a profile.
It turns out that Zac Miller
is an internet personality
who has an Instagram
and a Snapchat--
- Like, a big following.
- In 2014, when "People"
magazine voted
on the hottest guy
in each state on Tindr,
and Zac Miller is the hottest
guy in Maine, not in California.
- Okay.
- Whoa.
- This is--this is
a recent development.
- So we now know that the guy
in the pictures
is Zac Miller from Maine.
- That'’s what I'’m thinking.
- So there'’s no way you'’re
actually talking to Zac Miller.
- But what if Zac'’s profile
in Maine
is actually a fake profile
and he actually lives
in California?
- Well--
- But the thing that you--
The article that you found--
- If there was a whole article
about him--
- Yeah.
- Okay.
So you discovered it.
You'’re not talking to that guy.
- Yeah.
Which is weird to me that you,
a smart, young man, recently
moved to the West Coast,
with, like, a whole buffet
of all the hottest gay guys
in America are here.
Okay?
Why would you be willing
to pursue at any length
someone who you know
is lying to you?
- If we'’re 100% positive
or 99% positive
he'’s not who he says he is,
he might still be somebody
that I could be attracted to.
We have a real strong bond.
You know, not just something
that is all about the physical
and the sex.
Maybe there'’s something that
can become of this.
You know, for a romantic
relationship.
The possibility of love.
- Do you feel like you might be
falling in love with this guy?
- I do.
So I want to know who Zac is.
- Well, it'’s definitely worth
giving it a go.
- Yeah. I would say.
- Okay, so we have
a few things to go on.
Put it all in an email,
include all the photos.
- Okay.
- We'’ll see what we can find.
- Hopefully by tomorrow
afternoon we'’ll know enough
to make a decision
and figure out what to do
and where we'’re going
and if we'’re gonna meet this guy
or not.
- We'’ll get to the bottomof this.
- To finding Zac.
- Thanks, guys.
- All right.
All right,
we'’ll talk to you later.
- Appreciate it.
- Phew!
- All right, well--
- Interesting.
- You know, Andrew
really does
have his pick
of any handsome guy
to go out with.
- But the guy who'’s clearly not
who he says he is--that'’s
the one that Andrew wants.
- Right.
- '’Cause mystery
is the greatest aphrodisiac,
and curiosity
killed the catfish.
- ♪ Oh I, leave me alone
♪
- All right.
- ♪ I, leave me alone
- You ready to do this?
- I am--you know what?
More than ready, I'’m excited.
- Are you?
What are you excited about?
- I'’m excited because this is
a little different for us.
We make this show, and sadly,
most of the time
it ends in heartache.
Dreams are squashed.
- Pfft.
- And lately things have been a
little sad.
- Are you okay?
- I'’m a little upset.
- It'’s all right.
Just push through it.
- But this story is different.
Andrew and Zac met on Tindr.
Andrew wanted someone
he could talk to
and get to know, and Zac, unlike
many other men in Andrew'’s life,
was not just trying to get
into his pants but wanted
to actually get to know him.
At this point, I feel like
Andrew knows that the guy
in the pictures is actually
somebody else,
but Andrew'’s not in this
because he wants some hot,
young guy to hook up with.
What he really wants is someone
interesting and compassionate
and kind and that'’s what he'’s
got in this Zac fella.
The light at the end of the
tunnel here could be true love.
- I'’m feeling a little first
season Nev optimism
coming through.
- I am! I--you know what?
- Mr. Love Connection!
- I am hopeful that this could
work out.
- Okay, let'’s dive in.
We'’ve got the email from Andrew.
- "Here'’s what I know about Zac.
He'’s supposedly 24.
"He'’s originally from Texas,
lives in Santa Cruz,
"and intends to relocate
to San Francisco.
"He tells me he'’s
a CrossFit trainer.
"The first phone number
he gave me was this
"and this is the phone number
I have for him currently.
"The photos belong to a guy in
Maine named Zac Miller. Thanks."
All right, let'’s just see if we
can find the real Zac online.
Oh! Got him. All right.
Let'’s check out his feed
a little bit.
He posts a lot.
Okay, he'’s working out.
Uh-oh!
- Oh, look at that!
- "Feeling annoyed. Just--"
- "I just caught wind
of someone using my pics
"to pose as me on Grindr
in Auckland, New Zealand!"
- Whoa!
- I mean, that'’s awkward.
- Yeah, that sure is.
- All right?
- Okay, so Zac Miller--
- Look what
the first comment is!
"You'’ll be on Catfish
before you know it!"
both:
Oh!
- Well this is interesting; we
should send this guy a message.
- Yeah.
- We know he'’s aware
of the fact
that people are faking him.
Maybe over the course
of the last couple weeks
since he posted that,
people have investigated
and might have some information
about who'’s actually pretending
to be him.
"Hey, Zac, as you can guess,
we are making
"an episode of "Catfish" that
involves a fake profile of you.
"We would love to ask you some
questions because we suspect
"you might have some info on who
might be behind these profiles.
"I'’m available anytime.
Thanks!"
Okay. I'’m sending this.
- Send it!
- Who'’s this girl
in his profile pic?
"Grad week celebration,
throwback,
"with Elizabeth [bleep]."
She'’s from Madison, Wisconsin.
- It looks like they went
to college together.
- Yeah.
Yeah, well let'’s--
- Let'’s send something
to his friend.
- It looks like
this Elizabeth girl
is his best friend.
[message whooshes]
All right, so we'’ve now messaged
the real Zac Miller
and his best friend Elizabeth.
- All right, let'’s run
the phone numbers.
These are our best bet.
Okay, here we go.
First number, here we go.
Oh, we got a hit!
First--we got a hit!
Full name, Staci [bleep].
Staci looks like a woman'’s name.
- It sure does.
- Well, that would explain
why they'’re not talking
on the phone.
- Yeah. We should look her up.
Let'’s see.
- None of these Staci [bleep]
seem to be in California.
- Or even in the United States.
Let'’s try the phone number
on a different website
and see if it matches.
Let'’s see what we got.
Oh! Look at this!
This came back Johnny [bleep].
- Same last name.
Look, we'’ve got an address
in Seaside, California.
- Yeah.
- Let'’s go look
for a Johnny [bleep].
It'’s a common last name.
Washington, Florida,
Tennessee, Spain...
- Here'’s one.
- Oh! Orange, California.
But this guy looks like
he has a daughter...
- Yeah.
- And he goes by John [bleep].
Look, his URL is johnny.[bleep].
I think this could be
our person.
- I mean, the profile'’s pretty
locked up.
What'’s interesting here is that
the number that'’s--
that Andrew first texted
for Zac is registered
to two different people,
one named Staci
and one named Johnny.
- And they have
the same last name.
- They could be related
to each other.
They could be brother-sister,
they could be mother-son.
- They could be husband-wife.
- Ooh! This could be
a married guy
who'’s exploring his sexuality
on the D-L.
- Which is why he would want
to hide it.
- And why he can'’t talk
on the phone,
because his wife might be like,
"Who are you talking to?"
[phone rings]
- Oh!
- Oh! Madison, Wisconsin!
That means it'’s Elizabeth,
the real Zac'’s best friend.
Hey, Elizabeth.
- Hi!
-Thanks for getting back
to us so quickly.
- Yeah, of course.
- Obviously you know
a lot of people
make fake accounts for Zac.
- Yeah.
- We'’re pretty sure
we'’re dealing with
one of those accounts now
and we were just wondering
if you or Zac has in any way
figured out or contacted
or been in touch with any
of the people who pretend
to be him.
- No, I do not believe he'’s
been in touch with anyone
who'’s pretended to be him,
but this has been happening
for years now.
- Right.
This has happened, like,
more than, like,
50-60 times now,
I think.
- Wow.
- Yeah.
- Could you give us
his phone number?
- I'’m sure he wouldn'’t mind.
- Yeah, that would be great.
- Okay, so it'’s 207-[bleep].
- All right, great,
so we'’ll give Zac a call.
We'’ll let him know
that we spoke.
- That sounds good.
- All right, bye Elizabeth.
- Good luck. Bye.
- Wow, so Zac obviously,
not surprisingly has had, like,
dozens and dozens
of fake profiles.
- That'’s what happens when
you'’re kind of
an internet hot guy.
- I know. I--I wonder if his
personality matches his abs.
- I'’ve never talked to the
sexiest man of--
except for when I look
in the mirror.
- Well, to be fair,
you'’ve been talking
to the sexiest man,
maybe in the United States--
- Wait, you mean John DeTarsio?
- Yeah.
- Sexiest man on "Catfish."
- [laughing]
He'’s gonna show you his muscles!
- Whoa! Talking to Zac Miller'’s
gonna be easy!
- All right. Let'’s--let'’s
call Zac.
[phone rings]
- You'’ve got the machine,
you know the routine.
[beep]
- Hello, this is Nev and Max
from the MTV show "Catfish."
We are calling because
we'’re trying to see
if we can figure out
what'’s going on
with someone using your pictures
for a fake profile.
Give me a call when you get
this. Thanks. Bye.
Let'’s wait to hear back from Zac
before we do any more research
'’cause if he has some creeps who
are always stealing his stuff,
he might know who they are.
If he can confirm one
of those names or give us
some more information, then we
have a little bit more
to go off of.
- I have no idea who
this is going to be.
- We could be dealing with a
guy, girl--
- Someone who doesn'’t want to
talk on the phone
because they are not Zac Miller
in any way, shape,
form, or voice.
- Right.
- Who is this person?
[distorted electronic music]
- All right,
so what do we know?
- We know that whoever'’s talking
to Andrew is not Zac Miller.
- Right.
- We know that they might be
located in Seaside, California.
Let'’s--where--let'’s see
where that is.
- Let'’s see where that is.
- It'’s near Monterrey
and Carmel.
Wow, I hope he'’s there.
- We don'’t even know
if it'’s a he!
- Oh, right, that'’s
the other thing.
It could be a she. We got
two hits, Staci and Johnny.
They could be related.
- There'’s still a ton
that we don'’t know.
- Here we are.
[knocking]
- Hey!
- Hey!
- It'’s my brethren!
What'’s up, guys?
- What up!
- Andrew!
- Come on in. Welcome.
- Cool.
So we did some research,
got some information
that might ring some bells
and together, hopefully we can
figure out what we'’re doing.
So the first thing we did
was we thought,
"Let'’s search that first phone
number that you got."
So this is what came up.
- Okay.
- Staci.
- Do you know that name?
- I do not.
- This person wouldn'’t talk
to you on the phone,
won'’t, you know, let--let you
see their face--
- Which led us to the idea
that this could be a woman.
- But when we looked up
the number
on a different website,
we got a different name.
- There it is.
- Johnny.
- Same last name.
- Oh, Seaside.
- Now that could mean that Staci
is the owner of the account.
- They could be siblings.
They could be husband-wife.
- Could be a gay man who'’s still
in the closet.
- That'’s extremely interesting.
- We searched for Johnny
on Facebook also.
This is what came up.
- He'’s from California.
- He lives in Orange, which is
Southern California.
- He goes by John here, but then
when you go up into the URL...
- Johnny.
- It'’s Johnny.
- He'’s a middle-aged dude.
It looked like
he has a daughter.
It could be this guy.
- And the nutri shop thing
right there,
that could relate to fitness.
- That'’s right!
- Yeah.
- This actually kind of
looks like a CrossFit.
- It does look like a CrossFit.
- Now that I--
Now that you say that.
That'’s interesting.
I mean, the profile'’s pretty
locked up.
- Yeah.
- But the plot thickens.
- So we wanted to find out
more about the real Zac.
We found his Facebook page
and then, check this out:
from, like, a week ago,
"I just caught wind
"of someone using my pics
to pose as me on Grindr."
Someone wrote, "You'’ll be
on Catfish before you know it!"
- Wow.
- We reached out to him...
- Okay.
- But we haven'’t heard back yet.
- Well we sent Zac a message
and we sent his friend Elizabeth
a message.
The good news is,
Elizabeth called us back.
- Oh, really?
- Yeah.
And she said, "Oh, my God, he'’s
constantly got people
making profiles,
fake accounts..."
- Holy [bleep].
- Some on Instagram, some
on Grindr, some on Tindr,
you know, like, they'’re
all over the place.
So she gave us his number.
I think we should reach
back out to Zac,
see if we can get him
on the phone.
- He may have a list of,
like, stalkers.
- That'’s right.
Let'’s call Zac.
Here we go.
- Hey!
- Wow.
- Hey!
- What'’s up, man?
I dunno if you'’re familiar
with the show.
- This is our friend Andrew.
-Hi there.
- Hello!
- So here'’s why we'’re calling.
We know that someone found
an account using your photos
on Grindr, so you'’re obviously
familiar with fake accounts
and a lot of people use you
to create them.
- Sexiest man in Maine.
- Come on,
asterisks.
- No, no, no!
- No, no.
We'’re just teasing you.
- Unfortunately, I fell for
a fake Zac Miller on Tindr
in California.
- You'’re the cute guy
that I...
swiped right on.
- When Andrew first started
texting with, you know, "Zac,"
he gave him a number.
We looked up that number today
and it came back registered
to someone named Johnny.
- Does any of that ring a bell?
- [gasps]
- What!
- How?
- What!
- His name was Johnny?
- This is our guy.
[slow electronic music]
♪
- [gasps]
- What?
- How?
- What!
- His name was Johnny?
- You do have a screen shot?
Send--send--send us that.
- Yeah, we need that.
- Right now.
- All right, so look,
if you think of anything else
or if anybody sends you
anything, let us know.
And hopefully we can figure out
who this person is.
Talk to you later, okay man?
- All right, it was very nice
to meet you.
- Well.
- Johnny. "F"-ing Johnny.
- What are the chances
that the guy sent him
a--a confession?
[phone dings]
- Oh! We got--we got it.
Something came in.
"F"-ing[bleep]Johnny.
- All right, I gotta look
that up.
Instagram...We got a hit!
- Wow.
- Oh, my God!
- Seaside.
- Wait, look! There he is!
- That could be him.
- Yeah.
- Oh, another picture of him.
This is crazy.
- Wait, yeah! Yeah, look!
- Whoa!
- Johnny!
- There it is!
- And look, there'’s his
full name.
- His name is Johnny [bleep],
which is the same name
that comes up
with the phone number.
- Right.
- We were wrong.
It'’s not the guy that we found
on Facebook.
This is him!
It has to be him.
I think we found him.
- We found him.
- What you think of that guy,
Andrew?
- He'’s not bad-looking.
- Yeah!
- He looks to be in shape.
Like, no reason to hide your
face online I wouldn'’t think.
- Right.
- Unless you'’re not out,
or something.
I mean, could you kiss this guy?
- I don'’t know.
The physical has not been
something
that I'’ve been attached--because
I kind of feel
like he'’s been dodging
the entire time.
I'’d like to meet him first.
- All right, so look, here'’s
what we need to do now:
we need to reach out to him.
- Right now?
- Yeah.
- Wow.
- Let'’s not waste any more time.
[phone ringing]
- Probably he'’s not
gonna pick up.
- Leave a message
after the beep.
- Maybe we should text him.
- Text him.
- "Hey '’Zac,'’ this is Nev
from '’Catfish.'’
"We'’d love to speak to you
about an episode
"we are shooting
that involves you.
Please get back to me ASAP."
[message whooshes]
- Sucks.
- [sighs] Well...
[phone dings]
- Oh, my God!
Oh, he texted back!
"Hey, it'’s Zac.
I can'’t talk right now.
Is this really "Catfish?"
- Let'’s take a picture.
[shutter clicks]
- "It'’s really '’Catfish.'’"
[message whooshes away]
[message whooshes in]
"I'’m not really comfortable
being on the phone.
Andrew knows that,
but I can text."
"We did some digging.
You'’re not the real
Zac Miller."
[message whooshes away]
- Oh!
- "Things have gotten
out of control,
but I do care about Andrew."
- Tell him that I'’m open
to the idea
of really meeting him.
- "Open to the idea
of meeting the real you."
[message whooshes away]
- Sent. Bomb dropped.
Pow!
[message whooshes in]
Oh, oh!
- He said,
"I have anxiety so this is
really tough for me.
Give me some time
to process this."
- "Sleep on it and let us know."
[message whooshes away]
- There it is.
- Let'’s assume we'’re gonna
go up to Seaside
and meet him.
- Okay.
- Get a bag together.
We will pick you up
in the morning
and hopefully, fingers crossed,
we'’ll meet this guy.
- Sounds good.
- Let'’s do it.
- All right.
- I'’m ready.
Thank you so much for all
the hard work, man.
- Yeah. Got a big day tomorrow.
- That'’s for sure.
Thank you, guys.
♪
- Well that was interesting
and crazy.
- Yeah, we got him.
- We got our guy.
- Johnny from Seaside.
- Well we need to be
really careful, here.
Because we could be dealing
with a guy who'’s not out
and coming on a show
and admitting you'’ve been having
intimate relationships with men
is something he may not
be comfortable with,
so we gotta be really careful
and respectful and make sure
we don'’t make him do something
he'’s not comfortable doing.
- But on the same token,
it could end up well.
- Fingers crossed,
somehow this turns out to be
a really happy ending.
[slow electronic music]
- Last night,
guess who texted me?
- Johnny?
- Really?
- Good guess. Yeah.
- Really.
- Johnny texted me and said,
"Hey, Nev,
I will meet you guys."
- All right!
[claps hands]
- "I know I need to do this now.
"Please let me know
when you get up here."
- That'’s a good sign.
- I guess that means
we should go up there
and meet him.
- Let'’s do it.
- All right.
- Well then, here we go.
- He hasn'’t texted me at all.
- He hasn'’t texted you at all?
- Nothing from him.
- Why don'’t you text him?
- Text him right now.
- Just say,
"Good morning, Johnny."
- Okay, let'’s try it.
[message whooshes away]
- So even though that says Zac,
you'’re really texting Johnny.
- Yeah.
- You'’re gonna change it
right now on your phone?
- Yeah, I am.
- I just hope that when
we finally get up there
and meet him,
Johnny be good to you.
- Yeah.
- All right.
[upbeat music]
- Y'’all ready for this?
- We'’ll find out.
- I'’m ready!
- ♪ I wonder if we will see
♪ Each other flying
as two halcyon birds ♪
- Next stop, Seaside!
- ♪ Whoo
♪ Whoo
- Are you curious or nervous?
- I'’m a bit nervous.
- ♪ I'’ve tried
to make them burn ♪
♪ And let them all fade away
- Let'’s go!
- ♪ Yet these memories remain
♪ Stuck in my bones
and my brain ♪
♪ Whoo
- Now that we'’re here, Andrew,
is it starting to feel
a little more real?
- Yeah, I would say so.
- Did he ever write you back?
- Never. Nothing back.
- Do you want to just text him
and tell him
that we'’re on the way?
[message whooshes away]
- I just asked him where he is.
[message whooshes in]
- He says he'’s in town
by the warf.
- Wharf?
- Yeah.
- All right.
[rock music]
- So we'’re pretty close.
- Yeah, there it is. "Wharf."
♪
- How are you feeling?
- Really nervous.
[suspenseful music]
- Just have to wonder what
was going through his mind
when he created that account.
- Even though I think
we have to assume
everything he'’s told you
is not true,
there'’s still a chance
that he is a great guy
and who knows, maybe there
could still be something here.
- We'’re about to find out.
♪
- You ready, buddy?
- Ready as I'’ll ever be.
[suspenseful music]
♪
[door slams]
- I see him.
I already see him.
- You do?
- Yeah, he'’s right there.
- Oh, yeah.
♪
- Johnny?
- Yeah. How ya doing?
- How ya doing?
- Um...
- Sorry, I'’m just...
- Thanks for meeting up with us.
- I'’m--I'’m having a bit
of an anxiety attack
right now, so--it'’s just
the way I am.
I--I deal with anxiety
a lot, so--
- Relax, take a deep breath.
- [breathes through teeth]
- Hey man, I'’m Max.
- How ya doing? I'’m Johnny.
Nice to meet you.
- So who are you?
- My name is Johnny.
I'’m--I work for a grocery store.
I'’m a--I'’m a manager there.
I'’m--I'’m not a CrossFit trainer,
as you can see.
- You could be.
- You could be, dude.
- [laughs awkwardly]
- You'’re--how old are you?
- I'’m 24. So that I told
the truth about.
I'’m 24.
- Okay.
- The main way that we found you
was because we actually reached
out to the real Zac Miller.
He told us that someone
on Twitter
had direct messaged him
and confessed
that they had been pretending
to be him.
- That was me.
- Well, why did you
confess to that?
- '’Cause I--I--
I had a lot of remorse.
Like, I'’m not
a malicious person.
Like, I just--I felt so guilty
pretending to be Zac, you know.
I just--I never meant to really
talk to anyone on the profile.
I didn'’t mean to catfish you.
- So why--
- I'’m, you know--I'’m not out
to my family
and I'’ve never dated a guy
up until this year.
My ex--he was my first kiss
and everything, you know?
When he broke up with me, like,
you know, it left me, like,
really depressed,
and, like, that'’s where, like,
a lot of my anxiety
kicked in
because I didn'’t know
how to deal with it.
So I made the fake profile
hoping to match with my ex
and see if he had moved on,
that way I could move on, too.
- But you--did you match
with your ex?
- No, we never matched.
But I ended up
getting drunk one night
and then I just started
swiping right on every guy,
just for the hell of it.
And then a couple days later,
like, I had, like,
300-whatever matches
and on my profile, I get,
like, ten.
And so I was like, "You know
what?
"Let me just talk to some guys."
And then that'’s when you, like,
messaged me.
- So talking to me was just a
coping mechanism to help you
with your anxiety?
- Well, no. I--I was
really interested.
- Was?
- Huh? I am.
- You are.
- I am interested in Andrew.
I wouldn'’t have given you
my number,
I wouldn'’t have continued
to talk to you
if I wasn'’t interested.
I wouldn'’t have agreed to meet
up with you guys
if I wasn'’t interested, like--
Not only did I owe that to you
to tell you
who you were really talking to,
but '’cause, you know, I--
obviously I'’ve got--I'’m
interested. Yeah.
- You got him
with the meatball line.
- That was--I was--I was--I was
pretty drunk that night
and I started to just
say dirty pickup lines, like
"Are you spaghetti? '’Cause
I want you to meat my balls."
- If you think
those are dirty...
- They'’re not that dirty, but--
- My, do I need to teach you
some things.
- Why haven'’t you come out
to your family?
You seem pretty confident
about it, at least now.
- I think with that, it just
comes with disappointment,
having to disappoint--'’cause my
mom,
she wants to be a grandmother.
- She can still be
a grandmother.
- I--yeah, that'’s true.
I can always adopt.
But I just--I don'’t know.
I think it just comes down to,
like, having to disappoint them.
- You know, it'’s not
an easy thing, coming out,
regardless of your family
situation,
and I think it'’s healthier
for you to be yourself
and not worry
about their expectations.
- Mm-hmm.
Talking to you, I can, like,
at least be myself.
The name and the pictures,
those were all fake,
but, like, the personality,
that was all me.
Like, it was all true.
And I want you to get
to know me, like, as Johnny.
I don'’t want you to get
to know me as Zac.
- I kind of feel like you guys
should just, like, talk.
- You okay with that?
- Oh, yeah.
- See you in a little bit.
- All right.
- So...
- I--I am sorry for all of this.
I didn'’t--I didn'’t mean
to catfish you.
I ultimately just wanted
to come out here also
and, like, explain to you,
I do enjoy talking to you.
- Are you ready for this?
- For what?
- For a romantic relationship.
- I mean, you'’re never
really ready for anything.
Like, I was never--I was never
ready to meet my ex
when I met him.
I was never ready to match
with you, either
and, like, talk to you.
Like, I never--I was never ready
for any of that.
I guess my life'’s gonna change
after this, that'’s for sure.
- Are you ready to come out
to your family?
- Yeah, like, I--I mean,
it'’s scary, but, you know,
as long as I have you there.
[tranquil music]
- All right. What do you think?
- I don'’t know.
I think they'’re adorable.
Johnny'’s cute, Andrew'’s cute.
Together they'’re really cute.
- You want to walk to a cafe?
- Yeah.
- Okay.
- I'’ll be very curious to see
how their little
hang sesh ends up.
- Just '’cause they'’re both cute
doesn'’t mean that
they'’re gonna fall in love.
- ♪ I'’ll try
to smile at night ♪
- The first time
I had a crush on a guy
was, I think,
I was in first grade.
- Really?
- Yeah.
I'’m just so relieved
that I was able to come clean
and tell him who I really am.
I really like Andrew,
you know, I really like him.
- ♪ I'’ll see him
around sometime ♪
- So I like Moscatos.[laughs]
- Okay, so here'’s what we'’ll do.
Riesling is one step up
from Moscato.
- I trust you.
- Johnny is a sweetheart.
- Cheers?
- Cheers.
- Our connection
is more meaningful than most.
Now is it appropriate to pretend
to be someone else online?
No, but when I experienced
my first heartbreak,
Lord knows I did crazy things.
Tell me about your ex.
- He just ended up not wanting
anything serious,
basically just cutting me off.
I would reach out to him,
he wouldn'’t text me back
or answer my calls
or anything.
Like, we have tickets
for a Giants game next weekend
that I bought way back when.
I messaged him and I said,
"Hey, are we still on?"
and he didn'’t reply back,
so I guess we'’re not going.
- When is--when
is the Giants game?
- Next weekend.
- You want to go?
- But what if he, like,
reaches out to me?
- ♪ I'’ll see him
around sometime ♪
- I don'’t want to agree to that
and then he, like, is thinking
that we'’re still gonna go.
- Hey, if you'’re not--
if you'’re not--
if you'’re not over him, just--
I just thought that
that would be something fun,
but if you'’re not over him, no.
- I would--no, I would--I'’d be
still down to go,
like, I don'’t mean to, like--
- Yeah, no,
I just thought
the spare ticket...
My ultimate feeling from today
is that his main goal
was to get back with his ex
and it'’s, like, hitting me
pretty heavy.
[calm electronic music]
[knocking]
♪
- Hey!
- Yo!
- Come on in, guys.
How are ya?
- Good morning to ya.
- Sup, broseph?
- We haven'’t seen you
since we left
you guys yesterday.
How are you feeling
about everything?
- We talked for a bit,
got to know one another.
He'’s--he'’s a really sweet guy.
- Yeah?
- Was it--were you comfortable?
Did it feel nice to hang out
with him?
- Yeah, it felt normal.
- Anything more than that?
- At this point,
I don'’t see that.
Personally, myself, I don'’t feel
anything like that right now.
His main goal was to get
his ex back.
It'’s not an easy thing,
coming out.
So he needs a friend
more than he needs anything.
To jump into something
I think would be reckless
for him and for me,
'’cause no one needs a rebound.
- I think it'’s important that
you make it very clear to him
what you'’re comfortable
with moving forward.
- I can do that.
- [claps]
- All right, let'’s go meet him.
- All right, let'’s do it.
- Great.
- ♪ I know you can'’t
help me now ♪
- Max in the back.
- Let'’s roll.
- ♪ And I know how
to keep you hung up ♪
♪ But I won'’t do it again ♪
- All right, time to see Johnny.
- Follow me, I know the way.
- ♪ Oh I know I wish you were
my friend ♪
♪
♪ Whoo
- Oh, my God. "Catfish!"
- What up?
- Oh, there he is.
What'’s up?
- What'’s up, guys?
- Wow, what a--what a
picturesque spot.
- Isn'’t it nice out here?
- ♪ Oh I know I wish you were
my friend ♪
- How'’s it going?
- It'’s going good.
How are you guys?
- Great.
So Andrew told us that
you guys hung out a little bit.
- Mm-hmm.
- Just to make sure
you'’re both clear
with your feelings,
whatever they are,
your whole relationship
has been based
on miscommunication
and moving forward,
it should be clear.
- Right.
- I think, based
on what we both need--
not what we want,
but what we need,
we should be good friends
for one another.
I think that'’s more important
right now.
- I don'’t want to lead you on.
- Mm-hmm.
I agree on that.
I think we should just
move forward as friends
and just see where it goes.
If anything, I'’m--I'’m really
grateful at the way
that you'’ve handled it,
'’cause I'’m sure
your friends were also
mixed in on this
and you might have been upset
finding out that I wasn'’t,
you know, Zac.
I'’m so grateful that you didn'’t
react, like, in a negative way.
Like, you were so understanding,
and, like, it shows
that you have a big heart.
- Thank you, Johnny.
- I guess the biggest thing here
is just coming out
to my family and accepting
who I am as a person.
- Absolutely, and if
you need help navigating
through that process...
- Yeah, like,
I could use, like,
someone that'’s been there.
- Yeah.
- I'’ll definitely be calling you
for support, you know.
- Yeah, absolutely.
- All right.
There'’s a lot of good
that can come
from you guys
knowing each other,
and I think it'’s going
in a good direction
for both of you.
- Well, I know there'’s a
baseball game, what?
Next week?
- Next Saturday, yeah.
- If you don'’t have a date
to that,
or if you need a wingman,
I'’m more than happy
to ride the train up here...
- Sounds good.
- If you want to do that.
- Yeah.
- Nice.
- Good to meet ya, man.
- Good to meet you, too, man.
- Nice to meet you, Johnny.
- ♪ Whoo
- Bye, Johnny.
- Long hug. Long hug.
- Goodbye, Andrew.
- All right. See ya later, dude.
- See you guys.
- See ya. Johnny, be good.
- Johnny, be good.
- ♪ Whoa
♪
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falling in love with this guy?
- I do.
- I am hopeful
that this could work out.
- Look what
the first comment is!
"You'’ll be on Catfish
before you know it."
- This could be a married guy.
- This has happened, like,
more than 50-60 times, now.
- Who is this person?
- We have to assume everything
he'’s told you is not true
but maybe there could still
be something here.
- We'’re about to find out.
I see him.
- You do?
- Hey, guys. This is our last
episode of season five.
- That'’s right.
- The shooting in Orlando
happened two weeks ago.
I hope that no one
has forgotten it
by the time this airs.
To kind of honor the memory
of the people who were killed,
we are wearing these shirts.
- If making this show
has taught us nothing else,
we all want the same thing:
we all want to love,
we want to be loved,
and everybody is beautiful
and has a story
and deserves to be heard.
- Amen.
- Oh, boy.
[both laugh]
Okay, you ready?
- Yeah.
- "Help for the hopelessly
romantic.
"Dear Nev and Max,
my name is Marian
"and I currently live
in North Carolina.
"I'’m writing you because
I have this amazing friend,
"Andrew, who just recently
relocated to California
"and has been talking
"to a guy he met on Tindr
out there named Zac.
"Andrew has given me
some details about the situation
"and I'’m pretty sure
he'’s being catfished.
"Andrew still continues
to talk with him,
"even with the red flags
"of him not arranging
to meet or video chat.
"They'’ve never even spoken
on the phone.
"Andrew'’s naiveté might be
"because Andrew and I met
in a similar manner.
"We talked online for years,
and when we finally got around
"to meeting in person,
"I was exactly the same
as I am online.
"I really would love for Andrew
to meet someone
"that is worth his time
and feel it'’s best
"to get this stopped now
than to see it go on
"for many years like some
of your previous guests.
"Thank you so much for taking
the time to read my email!
"- Marian."
- This girl has watched
the show.
- Yeah.
- She'’s a pro.
- Let'’s give her a call!
video chat ringing]
- Hey!
- Hi! What'’s up?
- Hey, Marian!
- How are you guys doing?
- Great!
- Good!
- So we just read your email.
It sounds like you really care
about this guy.
- Yeah, he'’s one of the first
people that I met on Facebook,
and he and I have gotten
really close
over the last few years
or so.
You know, from what he knows
of people meeting online,
he thinks it goes off
without a hitch.
He moved out to California
and started messaging me
saying,
"I met this guy on Tindr."
I'’m like, "Okay,
so you guys met."
"No, we haven'’t met yet."
And I'’m like, "Okay,
so have you guys talked
on the phone?"
He'’s like, "No."
And I'’m like, "Are you sure
you'’re not being catfished?"
He'’s like, "What does that
even mean?"
So I don'’t want to see him
get hurt.
- Your concerns are justified.
- Does Andrew know that you'’ve
written in to the show?
- Yeah, absolutely.
- We should see if we can
add him to the party, here.
- Okay, let me see if he'’s on.
It looks like he is.
- Oh! Hey, Andrew!
- Yo!
- Oh, my God!
- We heard a little bit
about you from Marian.
Marian, it was very nice
to meet you.
- You too. '’Preciate it.
- And thank you
for setting us up with Andrew.
So we'’re gonna help him out.
- I love you, darling!
- Bye, hon! Love you.
- Bye, sweetie.
- All right!
- All right.
- So, Andrew, welcome
to the show.
We'’re very anxious
to find out a little bit more
about this Zac character.
- Okay, so I originally moved
from North Carolina
to the Bay Area.
I met Zac on Tindr.
He is a CrossFit trainer,
and there was a really cute
one-liner:
"Are you spaghetti?
"Because I'’d like you
to meat my balls."
It was really funny.
You know, it lends a sexual
connotation, there,
but the tone
of our conversations
isn'’t sleazy.
- I like your intellectual
analysis of his one line.
- Yeah, well,
I'’m so used to getting
inappropriate texts from guys
on dating apps
so it was just refreshing
to have something
a little different.
- ♪ Take my hand
♪ And don'’t look back ♪
♪ Let'’s go ♪
- Zac to me was attractive
on more than just
a physical level.
- ♪ Love keeps moving,
moving fast ♪
- I get a "good morning" text.
I get a "good night" text.
We talk every day.
- ♪ Too young
Too young to be old ♪
- There'’s no sexual overtones,
so Zac really seems to be
into me
but I can'’t seem to get
a hold of him.
- So Zac lives in the Bay Area
and where do you live now?
- I'’m in LA.
- But that makes
a lot more sense
as to why you guys
haven'’t met up yet,
because you actually
haven'’t been
in the same city since you'’ve
met.
- Yeah. He'’s--he'’s always been
away from me.
- Right.
But it doesn'’t explain
why you guys
haven'’t talked on the phone.
- The--the thing about that is
he'’ll always have an excuse.
I'’ve even brought up, like,
"Hey, you know I have Skype
or FaceTime or, you know,
whatever works for you,"
and he seems to always be busy
with work
or, "Can we do this later?"
You know, there'’s always
an excuse.
- But there'’s definitely
a mutual attraction
and you'’d like
to touch his body.
- His meatballs.
- [laughs].
- So Andrew, if you met Zac
and it worked out,
would you consider moving
to Santa Cruz
or up to the Bay Area?
- Yeah. Yeah.
Zac means a lot to me,
so having something more
with him would be great.
- Well, so look, if you are down
to find out what'’s really going
on with this Zac guy,
we can make that happen.
- Yes. Yes!
- The good news is
we'’re already in Los Angeles.
- That'’s right.
- So we have a coffee shop
that I think would be
a great place to meet up.
We'’ll text you the address.
- Let'’s do it!
- All right, we'’ll see you
really soon.
- Thanks, guys!
- All right.
Is Tindr what you yell when you
got the date,
like, just like when
a tree falls, like, "Tindr!"
- [laughs].
- All right.
- Let'’s see if we can fit
all the good times
that we normally have
traveling cross-country
into this short ride.
- Yeah.
♪ Doener wrapper done right
and extinguished ♪
- Oh look, there'’s
the Hollywood sign!
- Wow! There it is!
- Whoa!
- And look, there'’s the Mann'’s
Chinese movie theater!
- Oh, man!
- Oh, my God!
- Look, there'’s a thousand acreson fire!
- Oh, my God!
- ♪ Berlin got blurry
♪ When my eyes started telling
it to ♪
- Look, there are
the Beach Boys!
- Hey!
- Hey!
♪
- All right. Hey, there he is.
What'’s up?
- Hey!
- How are you, Andrew?
- How are you guys doing?
- Good to meet you.
- You'’ve got nice sweat shorts.
- Yeah.
- The look of LA. This is what
LA looks like.
Casual, shorts, sneakers.
Could be going to the gym.
Could be coming from the gym.
Well they'’re in. Joggers.
- I wear them all the time,
whether they'’re in
or they'’re out.
- Joggers, they call them now.
- I'’m out with the sweatpants.
[all laugh]
- Okay, so wait.
I imagine you probably get tons
of matches on Tindr, right?
I mean, everybody who comes
across your profile
probably swipes right.
- I wouldn'’t say that.
- Well no, but you--you do get a
lot of matches.
- When I have--I have
a lot of potential matches.
- Well, how many matches
have you had?
- Almost 800.
- 800?
- Is that a lot?
- Yeah, that'’s a lot!
Are you kidding?
- It'’s a--it'’s a high number
but I don'’t know.
I got married
before the Tindr revolution.
- Okay, so but--but to get to--
back to my point.
So you'’re a guy who clearly
doesn'’t have any problem
meeting other guys.
- I don'’t, but I think
the problem comes in
with relationships.
- What are--what'’s the average
sort of social media,
Tindr relationship like?
- It'’s usually like,
"Hey, what'’s up? You'’re hot.
"Here'’s my number. What are you
doing tonight?
"Where do you live?"
And then it'’s "Here'’s my [bleep]
pic, do you wanna [bleep]?"
That'’s the general experience.
So the fact that Zac hasn'’t had
a sexual overtone,
other than the first initial
Tindr conversation,
there hasn'’t been anything
really, extremely sexual.
- No sexual tone?
- No sexting? No nothing?
We'’re getting in--
- I'’m a classy lady!
- We'’re just getting right in!
- I'’m a classy lady.
I don'’t do that!
- [laughs]
- Let'’s just see this guy.
Show me the Tindr--
- Tindr conversation, yeah.
- I want to see his profile.
All right, so his opening line
after they matched was,
"Are you spaghetti? '’Cause
I want you to meat my balls."
- Which is, like, oddly--oddly
sexual in nature--
- So his one sexually
provocative line--
- But not like--not like,
here'’s my penis.
- That'’s not--that'’s not sexual.
- Here'’s my penis,
what do you think?
- You don'’t want the meat,
you want to meet.
- I want to meet
and then maybe the meat later.
[all laugh]
- All right, so here'’s
his profile. Very handsome.
It says, "New to California
from Texas.
"Moving to SF in July.
Currently live in Santa Cruz.
"Enjoy working out
and being active.
"CrossFit trainer."
All right, so this guy--yes,
very handsome.
- So here'’s--here'’s the thing,
guys.
There have been some recent
developments I can share.
So casually a friend of mine
reaches out to me.
He happens to be
on the East Coast
and he'’s looking for a place
to stay
and wants to know if I know
people in Charleston.
We'’re talking about things,
and he says,
"Well, show me a picture of this
guy, Zac, you'’re talking to."
So I send him a photo
and he says,
"Holy [bleep],
I know who this is."
- What?
- And he pulls up a profile.
It turns out that Zac Miller
is an internet personality
who has an Instagram
and a Snapchat--
- Like, a big following.
- In 2014, when "People"
magazine voted
on the hottest guy
in each state on Tindr,
and Zac Miller is the hottest
guy in Maine, not in California.
- Okay.
- Whoa.
- This is--this is
a recent development.
- So we now know that the guy
in the pictures
is Zac Miller from Maine.
- That'’s what I'’m thinking.
- So there'’s no way you'’re
actually talking to Zac Miller.
- But what if Zac'’s profile
in Maine
is actually a fake profile
and he actually lives
in California?
- Well--
- But the thing that you--
The article that you found--
- If there was a whole article
about him--
- Yeah.
- Okay.
So you discovered it.
You'’re not talking to that guy.
- Yeah.
Which is weird to me that you,
a smart, young man, recently
moved to the West Coast,
with, like, a whole buffet
of all the hottest gay guys
in America are here.
Okay?
Why would you be willing
to pursue at any length
someone who you know
is lying to you?
- If we'’re 100% positive
or 99% positive
he'’s not who he says he is,
he might still be somebody
that I could be attracted to.
We have a real strong bond.
You know, not just something
that is all about the physical
and the sex.
Maybe there'’s something that
can become of this.
You know, for a romantic
relationship.
The possibility of love.
- Do you feel like you might be
falling in love with this guy?
- I do.
So I want to know who Zac is.
- Well, it'’s definitely worth
giving it a go.
- Yeah. I would say.
- Okay, so we have
a few things to go on.
Put it all in an email,
include all the photos.
- Okay.
- We'’ll see what we can find.
- Hopefully by tomorrow
afternoon we'’ll know enough
to make a decision
and figure out what to do
and where we'’re going
and if we'’re gonna meet this guy
or not.
- We'’ll get to the bottomof this.
- To finding Zac.
- Thanks, guys.
- All right.
All right,
we'’ll talk to you later.
- Appreciate it.
- Phew!
- All right, well--
- Interesting.
- You know, Andrew
really does
have his pick
of any handsome guy
to go out with.
- But the guy who'’s clearly not
who he says he is--that'’s
the one that Andrew wants.
- Right.
- '’Cause mystery
is the greatest aphrodisiac,
and curiosity
killed the catfish.
- ♪ Oh I, leave me alone
♪
- All right.
- ♪ I, leave me alone
- You ready to do this?
- I am--you know what?
More than ready, I'’m excited.
- Are you?
What are you excited about?
- I'’m excited because this is
a little different for us.
We make this show, and sadly,
most of the time
it ends in heartache.
Dreams are squashed.
- Pfft.
- And lately things have been a
little sad.
- Are you okay?
- I'’m a little upset.
- It'’s all right.
Just push through it.
- But this story is different.
Andrew and Zac met on Tindr.
Andrew wanted someone
he could talk to
and get to know, and Zac, unlike
many other men in Andrew'’s life,
was not just trying to get
into his pants but wanted
to actually get to know him.
At this point, I feel like
Andrew knows that the guy
in the pictures is actually
somebody else,
but Andrew'’s not in this
because he wants some hot,
young guy to hook up with.
What he really wants is someone
interesting and compassionate
and kind and that'’s what he'’s
got in this Zac fella.
The light at the end of the
tunnel here could be true love.
- I'’m feeling a little first
season Nev optimism
coming through.
- I am! I--you know what?
- Mr. Love Connection!
- I am hopeful that this could
work out.
- Okay, let'’s dive in.
We'’ve got the email from Andrew.
- "Here'’s what I know about Zac.
He'’s supposedly 24.
"He'’s originally from Texas,
lives in Santa Cruz,
"and intends to relocate
to San Francisco.
"He tells me he'’s
a CrossFit trainer.
"The first phone number
he gave me was this
"and this is the phone number
I have for him currently.
"The photos belong to a guy in
Maine named Zac Miller. Thanks."
All right, let'’s just see if we
can find the real Zac online.
Oh! Got him. All right.
Let'’s check out his feed
a little bit.
He posts a lot.
Okay, he'’s working out.
Uh-oh!
- Oh, look at that!
- "Feeling annoyed. Just--"
- "I just caught wind
of someone using my pics
"to pose as me on Grindr
in Auckland, New Zealand!"
- Whoa!
- I mean, that'’s awkward.
- Yeah, that sure is.
- All right?
- Okay, so Zac Miller--
- Look what
the first comment is!
"You'’ll be on Catfish
before you know it!"
both:
Oh!
- Well this is interesting; we
should send this guy a message.
- Yeah.
- We know he'’s aware
of the fact
that people are faking him.
Maybe over the course
of the last couple weeks
since he posted that,
people have investigated
and might have some information
about who'’s actually pretending
to be him.
"Hey, Zac, as you can guess,
we are making
"an episode of "Catfish" that
involves a fake profile of you.
"We would love to ask you some
questions because we suspect
"you might have some info on who
might be behind these profiles.
"I'’m available anytime.
Thanks!"
Okay. I'’m sending this.
- Send it!
- Who'’s this girl
in his profile pic?
"Grad week celebration,
throwback,
"with Elizabeth [bleep]."
She'’s from Madison, Wisconsin.
- It looks like they went
to college together.
- Yeah.
Yeah, well let'’s--
- Let'’s send something
to his friend.
- It looks like
this Elizabeth girl
is his best friend.
[message whooshes]
All right, so we'’ve now messaged
the real Zac Miller
and his best friend Elizabeth.
- All right, let'’s run
the phone numbers.
These are our best bet.
Okay, here we go.
First number, here we go.
Oh, we got a hit!
First--we got a hit!
Full name, Staci [bleep].
Staci looks like a woman'’s name.
- It sure does.
- Well, that would explain
why they'’re not talking
on the phone.
- Yeah. We should look her up.
Let'’s see.
- None of these Staci [bleep]
seem to be in California.
- Or even in the United States.
Let'’s try the phone number
on a different website
and see if it matches.
Let'’s see what we got.
Oh! Look at this!
This came back Johnny [bleep].
- Same last name.
Look, we'’ve got an address
in Seaside, California.
- Yeah.
- Let'’s go look
for a Johnny [bleep].
It'’s a common last name.
Washington, Florida,
Tennessee, Spain...
- Here'’s one.
- Oh! Orange, California.
But this guy looks like
he has a daughter...
- Yeah.
- And he goes by John [bleep].
Look, his URL is johnny.[bleep].
I think this could be
our person.
- I mean, the profile'’s pretty
locked up.
What'’s interesting here is that
the number that'’s--
that Andrew first texted
for Zac is registered
to two different people,
one named Staci
and one named Johnny.
- And they have
the same last name.
- They could be related
to each other.
They could be brother-sister,
they could be mother-son.
- They could be husband-wife.
- Ooh! This could be
a married guy
who'’s exploring his sexuality
on the D-L.
- Which is why he would want
to hide it.
- And why he can'’t talk
on the phone,
because his wife might be like,
"Who are you talking to?"
[phone rings]
- Oh!
- Oh! Madison, Wisconsin!
That means it'’s Elizabeth,
the real Zac'’s best friend.
Hey, Elizabeth.
- Hi!
-Thanks for getting back
to us so quickly.
- Yeah, of course.
- Obviously you know
a lot of people
make fake accounts for Zac.
- Yeah.
- We'’re pretty sure
we'’re dealing with
one of those accounts now
and we were just wondering
if you or Zac has in any way
figured out or contacted
or been in touch with any
of the people who pretend
to be him.
- No, I do not believe he'’s
been in touch with anyone
who'’s pretended to be him,
but this has been happening
for years now.
- Right.
This has happened, like,
more than, like,
50-60 times now,
I think.
- Wow.
- Yeah.
- Could you give us
his phone number?
- I'’m sure he wouldn'’t mind.
- Yeah, that would be great.
- Okay, so it'’s 207-[bleep].
- All right, great,
so we'’ll give Zac a call.
We'’ll let him know
that we spoke.
- That sounds good.
- All right, bye Elizabeth.
- Good luck. Bye.
- Wow, so Zac obviously,
not surprisingly has had, like,
dozens and dozens
of fake profiles.
- That'’s what happens when
you'’re kind of
an internet hot guy.
- I know. I--I wonder if his
personality matches his abs.
- I'’ve never talked to the
sexiest man of--
except for when I look
in the mirror.
- Well, to be fair,
you'’ve been talking
to the sexiest man,
maybe in the United States--
- Wait, you mean John DeTarsio?
- Yeah.
- Sexiest man on "Catfish."
- [laughing]
He'’s gonna show you his muscles!
- Whoa! Talking to Zac Miller'’s
gonna be easy!
- All right. Let'’s--let'’s
call Zac.
[phone rings]
- You'’ve got the machine,
you know the routine.
[beep]
- Hello, this is Nev and Max
from the MTV show "Catfish."
We are calling because
we'’re trying to see
if we can figure out
what'’s going on
with someone using your pictures
for a fake profile.
Give me a call when you get
this. Thanks. Bye.
Let'’s wait to hear back from Zac
before we do any more research
'’cause if he has some creeps who
are always stealing his stuff,
he might know who they are.
If he can confirm one
of those names or give us
some more information, then we
have a little bit more
to go off of.
- I have no idea who
this is going to be.
- We could be dealing with a
guy, girl--
- Someone who doesn'’t want to
talk on the phone
because they are not Zac Miller
in any way, shape,
form, or voice.
- Right.
- Who is this person?
[distorted electronic music]
- All right,
so what do we know?
- We know that whoever'’s talking
to Andrew is not Zac Miller.
- Right.
- We know that they might be
located in Seaside, California.
Let'’s--where--let'’s see
where that is.
- Let'’s see where that is.
- It'’s near Monterrey
and Carmel.
Wow, I hope he'’s there.
- We don'’t even know
if it'’s a he!
- Oh, right, that'’s
the other thing.
It could be a she. We got
two hits, Staci and Johnny.
They could be related.
- There'’s still a ton
that we don'’t know.
- Here we are.
[knocking]
- Hey!
- Hey!
- It'’s my brethren!
What'’s up, guys?
- What up!
- Andrew!
- Come on in. Welcome.
- Cool.
So we did some research,
got some information
that might ring some bells
and together, hopefully we can
figure out what we'’re doing.
So the first thing we did
was we thought,
"Let'’s search that first phone
number that you got."
So this is what came up.
- Okay.
- Staci.
- Do you know that name?
- I do not.
- This person wouldn'’t talk
to you on the phone,
won'’t, you know, let--let you
see their face--
- Which led us to the idea
that this could be a woman.
- But when we looked up
the number
on a different website,
we got a different name.
- There it is.
- Johnny.
- Same last name.
- Oh, Seaside.
- Now that could mean that Staci
is the owner of the account.
- They could be siblings.
They could be husband-wife.
- Could be a gay man who'’s still
in the closet.
- That'’s extremely interesting.
- We searched for Johnny
on Facebook also.
This is what came up.
- He'’s from California.
- He lives in Orange, which is
Southern California.
- He goes by John here, but then
when you go up into the URL...
- Johnny.
- It'’s Johnny.
- He'’s a middle-aged dude.
It looked like
he has a daughter.
It could be this guy.
- And the nutri shop thing
right there,
that could relate to fitness.
- That'’s right!
- Yeah.
- This actually kind of
looks like a CrossFit.
- It does look like a CrossFit.
- Now that I--
Now that you say that.
That'’s interesting.
I mean, the profile'’s pretty
locked up.
- Yeah.
- But the plot thickens.
- So we wanted to find out
more about the real Zac.
We found his Facebook page
and then, check this out:
from, like, a week ago,
"I just caught wind
"of someone using my pics
to pose as me on Grindr."
Someone wrote, "You'’ll be
on Catfish before you know it!"
- Wow.
- We reached out to him...
- Okay.
- But we haven'’t heard back yet.
- Well we sent Zac a message
and we sent his friend Elizabeth
a message.
The good news is,
Elizabeth called us back.
- Oh, really?
- Yeah.
And she said, "Oh, my God, he'’s
constantly got people
making profiles,
fake accounts..."
- Holy [bleep].
- Some on Instagram, some
on Grindr, some on Tindr,
you know, like, they'’re
all over the place.
So she gave us his number.
I think we should reach
back out to Zac,
see if we can get him
on the phone.
- He may have a list of,
like, stalkers.
- That'’s right.
Let'’s call Zac.
Here we go.
- Hey!
- Wow.
- Hey!
- What'’s up, man?
I dunno if you'’re familiar
with the show.
- This is our friend Andrew.
-Hi there.
- Hello!
- So here'’s why we'’re calling.
We know that someone found
an account using your photos
on Grindr, so you'’re obviously
familiar with fake accounts
and a lot of people use you
to create them.
- Sexiest man in Maine.
- Come on,
asterisks.
- No, no, no!
- No, no.
We'’re just teasing you.
- Unfortunately, I fell for
a fake Zac Miller on Tindr
in California.
- You'’re the cute guy
that I...
swiped right on.
- When Andrew first started
texting with, you know, "Zac,"
he gave him a number.
We looked up that number today
and it came back registered
to someone named Johnny.
- Does any of that ring a bell?
- [gasps]
- What!
- How?
- What!
- His name was Johnny?
- This is our guy.
[slow electronic music]
♪
- [gasps]
- What?
- How?
- What!
- His name was Johnny?
- You do have a screen shot?
Send--send--send us that.
- Yeah, we need that.
- Right now.
- All right, so look,
if you think of anything else
or if anybody sends you
anything, let us know.
And hopefully we can figure out
who this person is.
Talk to you later, okay man?
- All right, it was very nice
to meet you.
- Well.
- Johnny. "F"-ing Johnny.
- What are the chances
that the guy sent him
a--a confession?
[phone dings]
- Oh! We got--we got it.
Something came in.
"F"-ing[bleep]Johnny.
- All right, I gotta look
that up.
Instagram...We got a hit!
- Wow.
- Oh, my God!
- Seaside.
- Wait, look! There he is!
- That could be him.
- Yeah.
- Oh, another picture of him.
This is crazy.
- Wait, yeah! Yeah, look!
- Whoa!
- Johnny!
- There it is!
- And look, there'’s his
full name.
- His name is Johnny [bleep],
which is the same name
that comes up
with the phone number.
- Right.
- We were wrong.
It'’s not the guy that we found
on Facebook.
This is him!
It has to be him.
I think we found him.
- We found him.
- What you think of that guy,
Andrew?
- He'’s not bad-looking.
- Yeah!
- He looks to be in shape.
Like, no reason to hide your
face online I wouldn'’t think.
- Right.
- Unless you'’re not out,
or something.
I mean, could you kiss this guy?
- I don'’t know.
The physical has not been
something
that I'’ve been attached--because
I kind of feel
like he'’s been dodging
the entire time.
I'’d like to meet him first.
- All right, so look, here'’s
what we need to do now:
we need to reach out to him.
- Right now?
- Yeah.
- Wow.
- Let'’s not waste any more time.
[phone ringing]
- Probably he'’s not
gonna pick up.
- Leave a message
after the beep.
- Maybe we should text him.
- Text him.
- "Hey '’Zac,'’ this is Nev
from '’Catfish.'’
"We'’d love to speak to you
about an episode
"we are shooting
that involves you.
Please get back to me ASAP."
[message whooshes]
- Sucks.
- [sighs] Well...
[phone dings]
- Oh, my God!
Oh, he texted back!
"Hey, it'’s Zac.
I can'’t talk right now.
Is this really "Catfish?"
- Let'’s take a picture.
[shutter clicks]
- "It'’s really '’Catfish.'’"
[message whooshes away]
[message whooshes in]
"I'’m not really comfortable
being on the phone.
Andrew knows that,
but I can text."
"We did some digging.
You'’re not the real
Zac Miller."
[message whooshes away]
- Oh!
- "Things have gotten
out of control,
but I do care about Andrew."
- Tell him that I'’m open
to the idea
of really meeting him.
- "Open to the idea
of meeting the real you."
[message whooshes away]
- Sent. Bomb dropped.
Pow!
[message whooshes in]
Oh, oh!
- He said,
"I have anxiety so this is
really tough for me.
Give me some time
to process this."
- "Sleep on it and let us know."
[message whooshes away]
- There it is.
- Let'’s assume we'’re gonna
go up to Seaside
and meet him.
- Okay.
- Get a bag together.
We will pick you up
in the morning
and hopefully, fingers crossed,
we'’ll meet this guy.
- Sounds good.
- Let'’s do it.
- All right.
- I'’m ready.
Thank you so much for all
the hard work, man.
- Yeah. Got a big day tomorrow.
- That'’s for sure.
Thank you, guys.
♪
- Well that was interesting
and crazy.
- Yeah, we got him.
- We got our guy.
- Johnny from Seaside.
- Well we need to be
really careful, here.
Because we could be dealing
with a guy who'’s not out
and coming on a show
and admitting you'’ve been having
intimate relationships with men
is something he may not
be comfortable with,
so we gotta be really careful
and respectful and make sure
we don'’t make him do something
he'’s not comfortable doing.
- But on the same token,
it could end up well.
- Fingers crossed,
somehow this turns out to be
a really happy ending.
[slow electronic music]
- Last night,
guess who texted me?
- Johnny?
- Really?
- Good guess. Yeah.
- Really.
- Johnny texted me and said,
"Hey, Nev,
I will meet you guys."
- All right!
[claps hands]
- "I know I need to do this now.
"Please let me know
when you get up here."
- That'’s a good sign.
- I guess that means
we should go up there
and meet him.
- Let'’s do it.
- All right.
- Well then, here we go.
- He hasn'’t texted me at all.
- He hasn'’t texted you at all?
- Nothing from him.
- Why don'’t you text him?
- Text him right now.
- Just say,
"Good morning, Johnny."
- Okay, let'’s try it.
[message whooshes away]
- So even though that says Zac,
you'’re really texting Johnny.
- Yeah.
- You'’re gonna change it
right now on your phone?
- Yeah, I am.
- I just hope that when
we finally get up there
and meet him,
Johnny be good to you.
- Yeah.
- All right.
[upbeat music]
- Y'’all ready for this?
- We'’ll find out.
- I'’m ready!
- ♪ I wonder if we will see
♪ Each other flying
as two halcyon birds ♪
- Next stop, Seaside!
- ♪ Whoo
♪ Whoo
- Are you curious or nervous?
- I'’m a bit nervous.
- ♪ I'’ve tried
to make them burn ♪
♪ And let them all fade away
- Let'’s go!
- ♪ Yet these memories remain
♪ Stuck in my bones
and my brain ♪
♪ Whoo
- Now that we'’re here, Andrew,
is it starting to feel
a little more real?
- Yeah, I would say so.
- Did he ever write you back?
- Never. Nothing back.
- Do you want to just text him
and tell him
that we'’re on the way?
[message whooshes away]
- I just asked him where he is.
[message whooshes in]
- He says he'’s in town
by the warf.
- Wharf?
- Yeah.
- All right.
[rock music]
- So we'’re pretty close.
- Yeah, there it is. "Wharf."
♪
- How are you feeling?
- Really nervous.
[suspenseful music]
- Just have to wonder what
was going through his mind
when he created that account.
- Even though I think
we have to assume
everything he'’s told you
is not true,
there'’s still a chance
that he is a great guy
and who knows, maybe there
could still be something here.
- We'’re about to find out.
♪
- You ready, buddy?
- Ready as I'’ll ever be.
[suspenseful music]
♪
[door slams]
- I see him.
I already see him.
- You do?
- Yeah, he'’s right there.
- Oh, yeah.
♪
- Johnny?
- Yeah. How ya doing?
- How ya doing?
- Um...
- Sorry, I'’m just...
- Thanks for meeting up with us.
- I'’m--I'’m having a bit
of an anxiety attack
right now, so--it'’s just
the way I am.
I--I deal with anxiety
a lot, so--
- Relax, take a deep breath.
- [breathes through teeth]
- Hey man, I'’m Max.
- How ya doing? I'’m Johnny.
Nice to meet you.
- So who are you?
- My name is Johnny.
I'’m--I work for a grocery store.
I'’m a--I'’m a manager there.
I'’m--I'’m not a CrossFit trainer,
as you can see.
- You could be.
- You could be, dude.
- [laughs awkwardly]
- You'’re--how old are you?
- I'’m 24. So that I told
the truth about.
I'’m 24.
- Okay.
- The main way that we found you
was because we actually reached
out to the real Zac Miller.
He told us that someone
on Twitter
had direct messaged him
and confessed
that they had been pretending
to be him.
- That was me.
- Well, why did you
confess to that?
- '’Cause I--I--
I had a lot of remorse.
Like, I'’m not
a malicious person.
Like, I just--I felt so guilty
pretending to be Zac, you know.
I just--I never meant to really
talk to anyone on the profile.
I didn'’t mean to catfish you.
- So why--
- I'’m, you know--I'’m not out
to my family
and I'’ve never dated a guy
up until this year.
My ex--he was my first kiss
and everything, you know?
When he broke up with me, like,
you know, it left me, like,
really depressed,
and, like, that'’s where, like,
a lot of my anxiety
kicked in
because I didn'’t know
how to deal with it.
So I made the fake profile
hoping to match with my ex
and see if he had moved on,
that way I could move on, too.
- But you--did you match
with your ex?
- No, we never matched.
But I ended up
getting drunk one night
and then I just started
swiping right on every guy,
just for the hell of it.
And then a couple days later,
like, I had, like,
300-whatever matches
and on my profile, I get,
like, ten.
And so I was like, "You know
what?
"Let me just talk to some guys."
And then that'’s when you, like,
messaged me.
- So talking to me was just a
coping mechanism to help you
with your anxiety?
- Well, no. I--I was
really interested.
- Was?
- Huh? I am.
- You are.
- I am interested in Andrew.
I wouldn'’t have given you
my number,
I wouldn'’t have continued
to talk to you
if I wasn'’t interested.
I wouldn'’t have agreed to meet
up with you guys
if I wasn'’t interested, like--
Not only did I owe that to you
to tell you
who you were really talking to,
but '’cause, you know, I--
obviously I'’ve got--I'’m
interested. Yeah.
- You got him
with the meatball line.
- That was--I was--I was--I was
pretty drunk that night
and I started to just
say dirty pickup lines, like
"Are you spaghetti? '’Cause
I want you to meat my balls."
- If you think
those are dirty...
- They'’re not that dirty, but--
- My, do I need to teach you
some things.
- Why haven'’t you come out
to your family?
You seem pretty confident
about it, at least now.
- I think with that, it just
comes with disappointment,
having to disappoint--'’cause my
mom,
she wants to be a grandmother.
- She can still be
a grandmother.
- I--yeah, that'’s true.
I can always adopt.
But I just--I don'’t know.
I think it just comes down to,
like, having to disappoint them.
- You know, it'’s not
an easy thing, coming out,
regardless of your family
situation,
and I think it'’s healthier
for you to be yourself
and not worry
about their expectations.
- Mm-hmm.
Talking to you, I can, like,
at least be myself.
The name and the pictures,
those were all fake,
but, like, the personality,
that was all me.
Like, it was all true.
And I want you to get
to know me, like, as Johnny.
I don'’t want you to get
to know me as Zac.
- I kind of feel like you guys
should just, like, talk.
- You okay with that?
- Oh, yeah.
- See you in a little bit.
- All right.
- So...
- I--I am sorry for all of this.
I didn'’t--I didn'’t mean
to catfish you.
I ultimately just wanted
to come out here also
and, like, explain to you,
I do enjoy talking to you.
- Are you ready for this?
- For what?
- For a romantic relationship.
- I mean, you'’re never
really ready for anything.
Like, I was never--I was never
ready to meet my ex
when I met him.
I was never ready to match
with you, either
and, like, talk to you.
Like, I never--I was never ready
for any of that.
I guess my life'’s gonna change
after this, that'’s for sure.
- Are you ready to come out
to your family?
- Yeah, like, I--I mean,
it'’s scary, but, you know,
as long as I have you there.
[tranquil music]
- All right. What do you think?
- I don'’t know.
I think they'’re adorable.
Johnny'’s cute, Andrew'’s cute.
Together they'’re really cute.
- You want to walk to a cafe?
- Yeah.
- Okay.
- I'’ll be very curious to see
how their little
hang sesh ends up.
- Just '’cause they'’re both cute
doesn'’t mean that
they'’re gonna fall in love.
- ♪ I'’ll try
to smile at night ♪
- The first time
I had a crush on a guy
was, I think,
I was in first grade.
- Really?
- Yeah.
I'’m just so relieved
that I was able to come clean
and tell him who I really am.
I really like Andrew,
you know, I really like him.
- ♪ I'’ll see him
around sometime ♪
- So I like Moscatos.[laughs]
- Okay, so here'’s what we'’ll do.
Riesling is one step up
from Moscato.
- I trust you.
- Johnny is a sweetheart.
- Cheers?
- Cheers.
- Our connection
is more meaningful than most.
Now is it appropriate to pretend
to be someone else online?
No, but when I experienced
my first heartbreak,
Lord knows I did crazy things.
Tell me about your ex.
- He just ended up not wanting
anything serious,
basically just cutting me off.
I would reach out to him,
he wouldn'’t text me back
or answer my calls
or anything.
Like, we have tickets
for a Giants game next weekend
that I bought way back when.
I messaged him and I said,
"Hey, are we still on?"
and he didn'’t reply back,
so I guess we'’re not going.
- When is--when
is the Giants game?
- Next weekend.
- You want to go?
- But what if he, like,
reaches out to me?
- ♪ I'’ll see him
around sometime ♪
- I don'’t want to agree to that
and then he, like, is thinking
that we'’re still gonna go.
- Hey, if you'’re not--
if you'’re not--
if you'’re not over him, just--
I just thought that
that would be something fun,
but if you'’re not over him, no.
- I would--no, I would--I'’d be
still down to go,
like, I don'’t mean to, like--
- Yeah, no,
I just thought
the spare ticket...
My ultimate feeling from today
is that his main goal
was to get back with his ex
and it'’s, like, hitting me
pretty heavy.
[calm electronic music]
[knocking]
♪
- Hey!
- Yo!
- Come on in, guys.
How are ya?
- Good morning to ya.
- Sup, broseph?
- We haven'’t seen you
since we left
you guys yesterday.
How are you feeling
about everything?
- We talked for a bit,
got to know one another.
He'’s--he'’s a really sweet guy.
- Yeah?
- Was it--were you comfortable?
Did it feel nice to hang out
with him?
- Yeah, it felt normal.
- Anything more than that?
- At this point,
I don'’t see that.
Personally, myself, I don'’t feel
anything like that right now.
His main goal was to get
his ex back.
It'’s not an easy thing,
coming out.
So he needs a friend
more than he needs anything.
To jump into something
I think would be reckless
for him and for me,
'’cause no one needs a rebound.
- I think it'’s important that
you make it very clear to him
what you'’re comfortable
with moving forward.
- I can do that.
- [claps]
- All right, let'’s go meet him.
- All right, let'’s do it.
- Great.
- ♪ I know you can'’t
help me now ♪
- Max in the back.
- Let'’s roll.
- ♪ And I know how
to keep you hung up ♪
♪ But I won'’t do it again ♪
- All right, time to see Johnny.
- Follow me, I know the way.
- ♪ Oh I know I wish you were
my friend ♪
♪
♪ Whoo
- Oh, my God. "Catfish!"
- What up?
- Oh, there he is.
What'’s up?
- What'’s up, guys?
- Wow, what a--what a
picturesque spot.
- Isn'’t it nice out here?
- ♪ Oh I know I wish you were
my friend ♪
- How'’s it going?
- It'’s going good.
How are you guys?
- Great.
So Andrew told us that
you guys hung out a little bit.
- Mm-hmm.
- Just to make sure
you'’re both clear
with your feelings,
whatever they are,
your whole relationship
has been based
on miscommunication
and moving forward,
it should be clear.
- Right.
- I think, based
on what we both need--
not what we want,
but what we need,
we should be good friends
for one another.
I think that'’s more important
right now.
- I don'’t want to lead you on.
- Mm-hmm.
I agree on that.
I think we should just
move forward as friends
and just see where it goes.
If anything, I'’m--I'’m really
grateful at the way
that you'’ve handled it,
'’cause I'’m sure
your friends were also
mixed in on this
and you might have been upset
finding out that I wasn'’t,
you know, Zac.
I'’m so grateful that you didn'’t
react, like, in a negative way.
Like, you were so understanding,
and, like, it shows
that you have a big heart.
- Thank you, Johnny.
- I guess the biggest thing here
is just coming out
to my family and accepting
who I am as a person.
- Absolutely, and if
you need help navigating
through that process...
- Yeah, like,
I could use, like,
someone that'’s been there.
- Yeah.
- I'’ll definitely be calling you
for support, you know.
- Yeah, absolutely.
- All right.
There'’s a lot of good
that can come
from you guys
knowing each other,
and I think it'’s going
in a good direction
for both of you.
- Well, I know there'’s a
baseball game, what?
Next week?
- Next Saturday, yeah.
- If you don'’t have a date
to that,
or if you need a wingman,
I'’m more than happy
to ride the train up here...
- Sounds good.
- If you want to do that.
- Yeah.
- Nice.
- Good to meet ya, man.
- Good to meet you, too, man.
- Nice to meet you, Johnny.
- ♪ Whoo
- Bye, Johnny.
- Long hug. Long hug.
- Goodbye, Andrew.
- All right. See ya later, dude.
- See you guys.
- See ya. Johnny, be good.
- Johnny, be good.
- ♪ Whoa
♪
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