Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 5, Episode 13 - Lucas & Many - full transcript
Former Playboy model, Jayme, has learned that her online boyfriend is not only fake, but appears to be catfishing other women as well! She enlists Nev and Max to help find the catfish and put an end to his perverted deception.
- I really don't like this guy.
- He's catfished over 400 girls.
- What? 400?
This guy is a villain.
He sucks. He's a problem.
He's a menace to society.
We're rolling in deep.
And he's got to be shut down.
I'm trashing this hotel room.
- Ow.
- We're bad.
Rargh!
Oh!
We did it!
We're rock stars.
- All I want to do
is start cleaning.
- [laughing]
All right.
[energetic rock music]
- All right, let's dive in.
- Okay, here we go.
We got an email here
from Jayme.
"My boyfriend is a Catfish.'
Ooh.
"Dear Nev and Max,
"I'm a 29-year-old and a mom
of two living Portland.
About six months ago, I met
a guy named Lucas on Tinder."
- Tinder!
- We got a Tinder--Tinder!
- Finally, Tinder.
"Lucas and I started to talk
and text all the time.
- ♪ So many reasons
for you and I ♪
♪ To go and leave
one another behind ♪
"Not only was he gorgeous,
but he was sweet
and empathetic."
- ♪ I was your
treasure, treasure ♪
- "Although Lucas went to school
in Missouri,
he was planning on relocating
to Portland."
Convenient.
- Yeah.
- ♪ I was your treasure
- "He wanted us to be exclusive,
and he told me he loved me."
- ♪ Was your treasure
- "Our relationship was solid.
But then things started
to get strange."
- Here comes the turn.
- "Lucas supposedly
moved to Portland,
but he couldn't meet me."
- Uh-oh.
-"I knew something was wrong.
"And so did my friends.
"From watching your show,
they knew how to do
a reverse image search."
- Finally.
- "And that's how I found out
Lucas was fake.
I haven't told Lucas that
I know he's lying to me."
- Oh, wow.
- "I want to meet
him face-to-face
to find out why
he's doing this."
- All right!
- So she's kept it going.
Let's see if we can get Jayme
on the old video chat.
- Ooh, wow.
- Oh, man.
- [clears throat]
I'm gonna have to spruce up.
- Hey.
- Hello.
- Hi, guys.
- Hi, how are you?
- I'm good.
- We just read your email.
You spent--was it about six
months--talking to this guy,
and established a really serious
connection with him.
- Yeah, you know,
we met on Tinder.
I was, like, "Oh my gosh,"
you know,
"You're so pretty.
"Here I am, a single
mother of two.
There's no way you're gonna
want to talk to me."
But I said, "ah,
let's give it a try."
"So I swiped right.
Pops up--we're a match.
And then eventually
we had, like,
our first phone conversation,
and we just really
emotionally connected.
Like, every day, anywhere
between an hour, two hours,
we're on the phone.
You know, sent pictures
to one another.
And he was just really
supportive of everything.
He was okay with the fact
that I had kids.
But when he wanted to make
things exclusive,
it just kind of scared me,
just 'cause we hadn't
even met yet.
- You kind of did your homework,
and you found out that this guy
might be using someone
else's photos?
- I actually didn't
do my homework
as well as my girlfriends
did my homework.
They did the image search,
and it came up linked
to someone else.
And I don't think
I'm the only person
he's doing this to,
because somebody
reached out to me
who had been talking
to Lucas also.
She lives in New York.
She got a hold of me just
based off of the ladies
that he was following
to let girls know
that he's not him.
- Whoa.
- Also, he talked me into
sending him private photos.
And I believe that's what
he does to everybody.
- Wow, this guy--
- Oh, my God.
- So are you afraid that
if you expose him
that he might release
some pictures?
- It's crossed my mind,
but I haven't confronted
him about it,
'cause I think he
has a suspicion
that I know that he's not
who he said he was.
So I could really use
you guys's help.
- This is a crazy story.
- Yeah.
- We've got to put
an end to this.
- Yeah, I think
you'd be doing
a lot of women a big favor.
- Yeah, so we need to find him
and bust him.
So sit sight.
We will fly to Portland.
We'll see if we can
figure this out.
- Thanks, you guys.
- All right, see you soon.
- Bye, Jayme.
- Bye.
- Well, I can't wait to catch
a catfish creep.
- Let's do it.
- All right.
- It's a very in-Portland job.
- [laughing]
- ♪ I'm walking on a flame
♪ My fear is gone,
but I'm still the same ♪
- Bye-bye.
- ♪ The war on women
has ended ♪
- We have made it to Portland.
- ♪ The war on women
has ended, ended ♪
- This is it.
- All right.
- ♪ Lies, lies, lies
[knocking]
- Hello.
- Hi, guys.
- Hey, how are you?
- I'm good.
Come on in.
My house is your house now.
- Thanks.
Wait a second.
- [laughing]
- Hold on.
- What?
- Uh, one thing doesn't
belong in this room.
- Yeah, so this is
the fireman's pole.
- Oh, fireman's pole.
- Yes.
- Look at, he's
done this before.
- Wow.
- Look at!
[laughing]
[all laughing]
- Is this a hobby?
- Um, yes and no.
It started off as one.
I used to model for "Playboy."
- That's something you failed
to mention on the email.
- Sorry, I left that out
a little bit, you know.
But I do dance now.
It allows me to have the most
time I can with my kids.
- Oh, okay.
- Yeah.
- So you're a professionaldancer.
- Dancer, yeah.
- Well, let's go sit down.
- Okay.
- Okay, so what is
a "Playboy" model doing
getting involved with
a guy on the Internet?
You don't have a problem
meeting guys.
- Well, I guess I
don't necessarily
have a problem meeting guys.
It's just my past
relationships--
being a mom was a problem.
And being a dancer
is a problem, so...
[sad music]
♪
It made me feel like
those were things
that I couldn't share
with anybody else.
So when I made the Tinder,
I left all that stuff out,
because I want somebody
to get to know...
me and what I have to offer,
rather than judging me
right away.
So it's just something that
I'm still trying
to deal with
and be comfortable with, like,
sharing with people.
- I see your predicament.
You meet this guy,
and you slowly
let him know these things,
and, you know, miraculously,
he's cool with it all.
- Yeah, Lucas just made,
you know, everything
a little bit easier.
The kid thing
didn't bother him.
He said he had worked
in a daycare before.
- Perfect.
- Yeah, perfect.
- Mr. Right.
- Mr. Perfect.
- So, you know, we continued
talking every day.
We didn't video chat or
anything
because he had informed me
that he was gonna
be moving to Portland
for an internship
around January 5th.
And so I wanted the first
time we saw each other
to be the first time
we saw each other.
It felt like it would just
make it that much more special.
Well, then, January
he moved here.
Days go by
where I was like, "Hey,
"do you want to meet up?
Let's get some coffee
or a cocktail or something."
- Hold on a second.
He, so--he moved
here in January.
- Mm-hmm.
- And he didn't come by
to see you?
- It's--this is [bleep].
- Yeah.
So then one night,
had a couple cocktails,
come home--my friends
were here that night.
And I'm like,
"Let's call Lucas!"
They're like, "Well, Lucas,
we don't believe you're you.
"So send us a Snapchat
of your face
"holding one finger up
with our names written
on a piece of paper."
So then he sent the Snapchat.
Like, you can't--
who can fake a Snapchat, right?
And I have the Snapchat.
So he's that gentleman
right there.
- Okay.
- This would be the Snapchat.
- Oh.
- I mean, that--
if I got that,
I would be like, "Whoa,
this guy's legit."
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
Well, one of my
friends was like,
"I bet you it's Photoshopped."
So she did a reverse
image search.
So the next picture
I'm gonna show you,
you're gonna look
pretty similar.
There we go.
- Ahh.
- Look at the shadow
where the finger is.
Wow--like, that's dedication.
That's where it's next-level.
- That's crazy.
- So that's what popped up
on the search,
and it led back to
a man named Trey.
Trey had a lot more photos
on his Instagram,
and not only that,
but in that same day,
a girl contacted me.
Her name's Urszula.
And she says, "Beware
of the scammer Lucas!
"He's pretending to be
somebody he's not,
and he's developing
relationships with other women,"
all of which I didn't
necessarily ask her about.
It's just a hard thing to know
that you were sending
private photos.
You know, I may have
done "Playboy,"
and I may be a dancer,
but when I send you
a personal picture,
it's because I trust you.
And it's disturbing to think
that he's taking advantage of
other women that way, too.
- Pretty a sinister thought.
- Yeah.
No, it's disgusting.
- We got to figure out
who this guy is.
At the moment,
it looks like Urszula
probably knows the most.
So maybe we should
video chat with her
just to make sure she's legit.
- Absolutely.
- Okay.
[computer ringing]
- Oh, my God.
- Whoa.
- Hi.
- Hey, guys.
- How are you?
- Good, how are you?
- Really good.
Thanks for answering my call.
Obviously--I don't know
if you recognize Jayme.
- I do, hey.
- Hi.
- Nice to meet you.
- But we've been talking
a lot about you,
and we have so many questions.
And we're trying to figure
all this out.
Can you explain to us what
happened with you and Lucas
and everything that
you figured out?
- Yeah, we met off Tinder.
He told me he was
living in Missouri.
Then he told me he was
moving to New York City
for an internship at
a technology company
in New York.
- Yeah.
- And then I basically
found out
that he's not who
he really is,
because I booked
a flight to Missouri.
So he came clean.
- But you booked a flight
to Missouri--did you go?
- No, I didn't go.
No, I didn't go.
- You told him that you
bought your ticket,
and then he realized he
better tell you the truth?
- Yeah.
- What did you tell you?
- "I'm not who I've
been saying I am.
I'm not the guy
in the pictures."
- Jayme sent him pictures--
some of them nudes.
Did you ever send him similar--
- Yes, yes, I did send him
intimate photos
and videos.
This is what I think he does:
gets into an intimate
relationship with these girls,
gets nudes from them,
and then after a while,
he'll reveal himself
and then just
block these girls.
And he's probably
still doing that.
- I guess he blocked you too.
- Yeah.
- Okay, so how did you find out
about all these other girls?
- When he told me that he's not
the guy in the pictures,
I screenshotted some
of the girls that
were following him,
and then I reached out to them.
That's how I found Jayme.
- So considering that you've
both been involved in this,
we could try and do
this together.
I think it'd be more powerful
for him to be confronted
by both of you than
just one of you.
- Absolutely.
- Are you available to fly
and meet us here in Portland?
- Yeah, yeah.
- All right, safe travels.
- Bye.
- Bye.
- Okay, so this guy's
creepy and weird--
- He's got a little bit of power
in his corner
with the photos that he's got.
- He's got these photos of you,
and, like, the last thing you
want to do is piss him off.
He knows a lot about you;
he knows where you work.
He knows about your kids.
It's really scary.
This guy could be
a real monster.
- So what do we know?
We know that Lucas isn't
the guy in the picture.
He's been talking
to lots of girls,
convincing them he's real,
getting them to
send him nudes,
and he's leaving a trail
of destruction
and broken hearts.
- Mm-hmm.
- We have his phone number.
- Phone number is often
the best clue we have.
- There we go.
Let's see what we got.
[suspenseful music]
- Mmm.
- No hits.
- Why don't we
try another app?
- Yeah, different websites,
sometimes...
- Different information.
- Get different results
- And boom!
- Just Zac?
- Just Zac.
- He lives in St. Louis.
- Well, let's do
a Facebook search
for Zac in St. Louis.
- Yeah.
♪
Whoa, we got some Zacs.
- Bunch of faceless...
- Which is weird, right?
- Mm-hmm.
- That there's four
faceless accounts.
Whoa, this guy
looks creepy AF.
- [laughing]
- I think we should
look at this guy.
- That guy could be a catfish.
- He's in high school.
- He looks like he's
kind of popular, and--
- Yeah.
- I don't feel like
this is our person.
- Yeah, I don't think so.
Wow, all these Zacs.
- We got to narrow this down.
- Hmm.
[dramatic music]
- What?
- The person I talked to
on the phone
was obsessed with Lorde.
- So wait--so Lucas
was obsessed with Lorde?
- Lucas was obsessed.
- Really?
- 'Cause we talked about music.
- He told you he was a fan
of the singer Lorde?
- Yeah.
- This could be the lead
we're looking for.
Cyber Security is his major.
- Whoa.
If he is intelligent when it
comes to computer technology,
he might know how
to manipulate things.
- What are the chances?
He likes Lorde,
he's from Missouri--
- All signs point to this guy.
[dramatic music]
♪
I mean, what if it is this guy?
- [crying] That's just so gross
and so wrong.
I'm just so upset.
It's, like, even though I knew,
it's just, like--
it's all right in front
of me right now,
and it's just so disgusting,
like, to think about the things
that I shared with him.
It's just so gross.
♪
- I mean, yeah, it's gross.
It's selfish.
It's twisted.
- Why don't we stop for today?
Urszula will be here tomorrow.
We can go over
all this with her.
and decide what we want
to do next together.
- Okay.
We'll talk to you
in the morning.
Feel better.
- Okay, I will.
- We've seen some serial catfish
on the show before,
but this guy is sort of taking
it to a whole 'nother level.
- No, this guy is gross.
- Right.
I want to see his account.
- Uh-huh.
- The problem is,
he blocks the girls
we've spoken to.
- I see where you're going.
Let's bait him into
friending us.
- Yes.
- Let's use someone
from the crew.
- Exactly.
We're not catfishing him.
We just want to get--
- We're getting--
we need to get a man
behind enemy lines...
- That's right.
- Or a woman.
- Right.
- All right. Let's recruit.
- Okay, guys.
Can we do a little
team huddle?
You guys know what we're
dealing with here, right?
- Yeah.
- We want to see if
this guy really is
as gross as he sounds.
So we're thinking--
if the ladies of the crew
are willing to--
try following him.
Hopefully he'll accept someone.
- So what if he
messages me back?
What do I say?
- Just keep it casual--
just like, "Oh, yeah, I thought
you looked interesting."
- Yeah, we can do it.
- Okay.
- Great.
So you two--you're on
catfish patrol.
- Okay.
- He accepted!
- Whoo!
- All right, let's see.
- We're in!
- So--page is obviously
very much up,
and the last picture that he
posted was 17 hours ago.
- Let's go see who
he's following.
- All women.
I have not seen
a single guy yet.
- This is real pathetic.
Every second we let
him up there,
he is seducing some poor woman
from across the country.
- I think we should get going.
- All right.
We flew Urszula to Portland.
- Right.
- And together,
we're going to mount
a class-action attack on him.
- Wait, that could be her.
I see her.
I see her--the girl in black.
- Hey.
- Hi.
- I'm Urszula.
- Nice to meet you, finally.
- Nice to meet you.
- How do you feel about
this whole thing?
Kind of weird?
- Uh, yeah.
I mean, what he did
is just crazy to me.
Like, going on for months
to the point that
I book a flight--
that's not okay.
- How does someone like this
convince you that
they're real?
I mean, he must've done
a pretty good job.
- Oh, he did a really great job.
He sent me a video on Snapchat.
It was just believable.
- What was in the video?
- It was just of him walking...
- Hey.
- Out of a building,
and you can
see his face clearly
of the guy in the picture.
I didn't know you
can do anything
with Snapchat like that.
- Well, there are
third-party apps
that you can use
to upload photos.
- Yeah, but that was
pretty convincing to me.
That was convincing enough.
[dramatic music]
♪
- This is Urszula.
- Hi, nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
- Have a seat.
All right, so welcome
to Portland.
- You've had some time
this morning on the plane
to kind of think about
everything that's happened.
Where does your mind go?
- It hurts, you know.
It hurts.
We told each other we're
in love with each other,
and, you know, we were
talking on a daily basis.
He was there for me.
- Were you guys intimate
on the phone with each other?
- Yes, we were--he would
always start it,
but we were intimate.
- He would initiate,
like, phone sex?
- Yeah, he would.
- How many times
did that happen?
- A lot.
- A lot?
- Yeah.
Two to three times a week.
- Did that happen with you?
- One time.
- Once.
- This guy is...
- Disgusting.
- Totally gross.
- Why don't we bring you
up to speed?
Yesterday, we sort of figured,
"Okay, let's search
for his number--
see if it comes up
with any names."
It came back registered
to someone named Zac.
Looks like he lives
in St. Louis.
So then we just searched
Zac on Facebook.
We found a page.
Could this be him?
- Wait, I've s--
I feel like I've
seen that before.
When he told me that he's not
the guy in the pictures,
I'm like, "Show me proof.
Like, prove it to me."
So he sent me a picture.
[tense music]
- That is him.
- Oh, man.
That's definitely the same guy.
- Yeah.
- So we got our guy.
Now, we asked the women
on our crew
to try and follow him,
and he accepted.
So--page is obviously
very much up,
and the last picture
that he posted
was 17 hours ago.
- That's messed up, because when
he was apologizing to me,
he told me I'm the last one,
which is obviously bull[bleep].
When I asked him why he's
been doing this to us
and other women, he called us
"an experiment."
- Ugh.
- But he admitted to me
he's catfished over 400 girls.
- What!
- 400?
- Are you kidding?
- Gross.
[phone dings]
- What?
- Just got a weird
text message.
This is from Mike at casting.
"Hey, guys, hope all
is well with you.
"We were just contacted
by a woman named Sarah.
"She was catfished by
a guy named Lucas,
"and we think this could be
connected to the story
you're currently filming."
- Let's call her.
- Hi, Sarah.
- Hi.
- How are you?
It's Nev and Max.
So someone from our casting
just saw an email that you sent
about this guy that
you're talking to, Lucas.
- We're sitting with two girls,
Urszula and Jayme.
- Hi.
- So these girls also
met Lucas on Tinder.
What's became very apparent
is that this guy, Zac,
has been doing this for years
to maybe hundreds of women
across the country.
So if we go to Missouri to
find him and confront him,
would be willing to
meet us there too?
'Cause I think the more
people we bring,
the more powerful
the message might be.
All right, well, thanks, Sarah.
Okay, see you.
There's a chance that one
of the hundreds of girls
that he's talking to
are potentially
putting themselves
in a compromising position.
I mean, we don't even know
what he's done
to some of these girls.
- Why don't we message
all the other girls
who are following him
and who might be
talking to him--
- Tenesha, can we take
a look at your phone?
- Yeah.
- Tenesha's our spy.
- Hi, Tenesha.
- Okay, cool, thanks.
- You're welcome.
You ready?
Hi, it's Nev and Max
from the show "Catfish."
- We're doing an episode
right now that involves
your "friend" Lucas.
- Lucas is not the guy
in the pictures.
Here are two girls who have
believed that, at one time,
they were dating Lucas.
Thank you for watching,
and sorry if you got hurt
or lied to
or taken advantage of.
- Bye.
- Okay.
- So game plan is now
we get on a plane tomorrow...
- Okay.
- To go to St. Louis.
- Yeah, we know his name.
We know we can find him.
I mean, I don't want
to give this guy
any room to try and sneak away
or disappear on us,
'cause it's game over
for this guy.
- Hello, ladies.
- Good morning.
- We brought Posh Spice,
Sporty Spice,
Salt-and-Pepper Spice,
'cause that's a spice.
- Sure.
- I don't know what Spice I am.
- Hairy Spice.
- Hairy Spice.
- ♪ Oh, lyin' awake
in a fever ♪
- Am I the only one who woke up
this morning and realized
how what we're doing
is kind of crazy?
- I don't think any of it
seems quite real to me yet,
but the second, like, we
pull up to a house...
- Yeah.
- ♪ I don't want to
♪ Ever lose you
♪ I will love you
always, always ♪
♪
- You guys are becoming
the best of friends.
- We're friends too.
There's St. Louis there.
We made it.
- ♪ I will be loving you
always, always ♪
♪ Always, always, always
♪ I will love you always
- Hi.
- Hello.
- Sarah, right?
- Yes.
- Hi.
- Hi.
- Nev. Good to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
- Hi, I'm Max.
- Hi, Max.
- Hey.
- Hey.
This is Sarah.
- This is Sarah.
- Hi.
- Jayme, this is Sarah.
- Hi, I'm Sarah.
Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
- So here we are.
We've got three of you here
from different parts
of the country.
We kind of heard your story
the other day on video.
- Mm-hmm.
We know that you,
sort of like everybody,
talked to him, and on Tinder,
things were going well.
- Yeah, um, so mine started out
the same way--Tinder.
He also told me, you know, he's
not talking to any other girls.
When I found out, he said,
"This is the last time
it's gonna happen."
- Go ahead and tell her what
he said about all the--
- Oh, yeah, he said
we're an experiment.
- All right, that's creepy.
- Well, look, we now
have his "experiment"
by the balls.
We could go find this guy
and make it stop.
- How do we do that?
- Well, I think we take
a picture of all of us,
and we just write out a message
that just says, like,
"The world can see you
as this awful monster,
"or you can agree
to talk to us
and try to offer
some explanation."
- Right.
- Brandon, will you
take this picture?
- Sure.
- Max, let's just
go behind them.
Channel your anger
through your eyes.
[tense music]
- Okay, got it.
- Got it.
- Thank you.
All right.
"Hey Zac, AKA Lucas,
"this is Nev from
the MTV show 'Catfish.'
"I'm sure you've heard of it.
"As you can see, I'm here with
Sarah, Urszula, and Jayme,
"who you have been lying to.
"We're here in Missouri
and are willing
"to offer you an opportunity
to come clean
"and explain yourself in person.
"We suggest you agree
to meet us today,
"face-to-face, to give us
your side of the story."
- Sounds good.
- Mm-hmm.
- All right, while we
wait for Zac,
why don't we take a little break
and see what he says?
- Okay.
- Thank you.
[dramatic music]
♪
[cell phone dings]
- Uh-oh. All right.
Well, I just got a text back.
[dark music]
Oh, my God.
♪
- What'd you get.
- Pfff.
I, I--it's, like,
hard to even--
say it.
- What is it?
What is it?
- Look, I--I'm embarrassed
to even read it.
It's, like, so gross.
- What'd you get?
- It's, like, hard
to even say it.
- What is it?
What is it?
- His response was,
"Great picture"--smiley face.
"I'm at my parents'
house this weekend.
You can meet me here."
You're kidding me.
What could possibly
be more disgusting--
- I mean, yeah, he's, like--
- Vile.
- Unapologetic.
- Unapologetic, yeah.
- He's just, like,
laughing about it.
- All right, well,
we got an address.
- Yeah, well, so let's
see where this is.
- Let's go put this
catfish to bed.
- All right, well,
let's gather the posse.
Round 'em up.
- Hey, all right.
- Hello.
- We got an address.
- Okay.
- Hi.
- Hey.
You good to go?
- Yep.
- We got an address.
We're moving.
All right.
How are you?
- Good, how are you guys?
- We just got a response.
- Let's go.
- Let's go.
You don't want to be
in front of this train.
We're rolling in deep.
SWAT team.
All right.
Let's do it.
- So on behalf of all
the 400 girls he's talking to,
let's go confront this guy.
- My name's Courtney.
I met Lucas a few months ago
on Tinder.
- My name is Lana.
- Kayla.
- Avery.
- Sonia.
- My name's Analecia.
- I met Lucas about
five months ago...
- ♪ Is this what
we have become? ♪
- We talked constantly.
- He seemed like
a really sweet guy.
- Kind, loving...
- ♪ Ooh
♪ Is this what
we have become? ♪
- He wanted to move to Wisconsin
to be with me.
- He was going to move
to Sweden.
- ♪ Ooh
♪ Is this what
we have become? ♪
- I know he was lying to me.
- I just feel the fool.
- ♪ Some people need healing
- I hope you guys find him
and he gets what he deserves.
- ♪ Some people need love
- And...it's right here.
- [exhales sharply]
- Oh, my God, my heart's
beating fast.
I'm scared.
- Okay, you guys
ready to do this?
- Yeah.
- All right, let's do it.
- Okay, I'm really scared.
Oh, my God.
- You're going up to the door,
though, Nev.
- Well, yeah, you guys can
hang back a little bit.
Wait right here.
Perfect.
[foreboding music]
♪
[doorbell rings]
♪
- Hello.
- Hey, what's up?
- Are you Zac?
- Yes, this is me.
- Hi.
- Hi.
- How are you?
- I'm great.
You're who I was
texting with earlier?
- Yes, yes, it's me.
And you know these
three young women.
- I do, I do.
- Why don't you come on out
for a second?
- Yeah, sure.
- So I don't know if
you have something
you want to start with,
'cause we have a lot we
want to say, obviously.
- Yeah, so, um...
♪
I don't know where to begin.
- Well, why don't you start
with who you are?
- Okay.
- And how this all started.
- Okay, um...
as you guys knew me as Lucas,
um, I'm Zac.
That's my real name.
[sighs]
This all started
just over a year ago.
I was curious about someone who
was as attractive as Lucas--
the kind of reception
they would get on Tinder
versus Zac, myself.
I started to really enjoy
the attention I was getting
from people I'd never gotten
attention from before,
and that, to me, was something
I'd never experienced,
and I was--I was really
happy about that.
And that's the--
that's where it started.
- Okay.
- How many?
How many girls?
- Too many--
um, that I talked
personally with--
I got their numbers--
like, 400.
- That's disgusting!
- Yeah!
- That's disgusting.
- Oh, my God.
- I mean, that's one
of the blunders
of online dating is, um,
you start talking to these
people casually and--
- That's not casual talk when
you have to Photoshop photos
and take an hour to make
a fake video.
That's not casual talk.
- I mean, that's--
- That's deliberate lying.
- I recognize, like, 100%
that that is not okay.
- So why do it if it's not okay?
[dramatic music]
- At the time, I didn't
think twice of it.
- Have you ever hurt that bad?
Like, has anybody
ever crushed you?
- Maybe once, twice.
- Okay, well, it's happened
to me a lot.
I didn't need somebody else
to come along
and manipulate me
and take time away from my kids
and my family.
- Are you thinking of the impact
of your actions
when you do these things?
- Honestly, no, you know.
Like, that's the selfish part,
'cause I haven't really
had the opportunity,
possibly, wanted to say.
- Well, it's not about
having the opportunity.
It's about just
[bleep] doing it.
- Yeah, yeah.
- You know,
there are a lot
of lines that you crossed--
soliciting naked photos
from them was a huge
line that you crossed.
- Okay, and I'd like
to address that.
- Yeah, address that.
- Please address that.
- I can't just stand here
and say, like,
that wasn't interesting,
because that was.
But that wasn't the point.
- What do you do with them?
What do you do with the photos?
Are they all, like,
on your computer...
- They're gone;
I deleted them.
- In file folders with "Lisa"
and "Jan's Stuff"...
- "Urszula."
- Do you save them?
'Cause I'm betting money
that you do.
- I deleted them.
I'm not proud
of that side of it.
That's the side that--
- Listen.
You catfished
all these girls.
This whole thing is nothing
to be proud of.
- I really have a hard time
believe you delete the photos.
- You guys can look if you want.
- Do you have your
phone on you?
- Yeah.
- Well, let's look at the phone.
Let's start with the phone.
- Hold on.
- Are you deleting
stuff right now?
- No, no, I'm not--
I'm just, like--
I'm scrolling back and forth.
- We know how to scroll
through a phone.
- Yeah, okay.
- I would normally say your
privacy would be something
I'd care about,
but in this case...
so wait, are you recording...
- Yeah, our conversation, yeah.
- You're recording all this?
- Um...
- Are you kidding me?
- Um...
- That's so [bleep] up!
- So wait, are you--
you're recording--
- Yeah, our conversation, yeah.
- You're recording all this?
- Um...
- Are you kidding me?
- Um...
- That's so [bleep] up!
- Yeah.
- Let Nev--look, Nev--
just take a step back
so he can't look
over your shoulder.
Don't worry about him.
He'll find or not find
whatever he's looking for.
- Yeah, yeah.
- I'm finding some
stuff on your phone.
- Okay, I didn't--I didn't,
like, scrutinize, like--
- Yeah, I know, but I,
you know,
I know enough about how
to keep things private
to know to look
in your Google Drive,
which you probably didn't think
I was gonna go into,
I found one list that you keep
in your Google Drive:
"list of girls."
Jayme in parentheses next to it.
It says, "Portland,
former 'Playboy' model."
And then you have
a status list underneath,
and for Megan it says,
"On the level of saying,
'I love you,'
lives in Vegas, doesn't know
she's being catfished."
"Lauren: also on the level
of saying, 'I love you,'
"lives in Palm Springs,
I think,
doesn't know
she's being catfished."
"Deborah, been talking
for a while.
"She lives in Illinois.
"Wants to meet Lucas badly.
Watch out for that subject."
- Oh, my--
- "Doesn't know she's
being catfished."
"Jayme, talking since November.
Urszula told her
she's being catfished."
So you were keeping notes.
- You categorized me.
- And you're not even listening.
You want your damn phone back.
- In the videos,
which I went through,
I found a lot.
And weirdly, they come up
as videos,
but when I go to play them,
they don't play,
which maybe is because
it saved the thumbnail,
but it deleted
the actual video.
But you can see here...
- Oh, Jesus.
- One of you--this is a--
- Oh, my God.
- This is a picture of you.
Lots of pictures of girls
that are clearly--
they're masturbating, or--
- Jesus.
- So you still have that video.
- Okay, well,
the thing is--
- So you have our pictures
saved somewhere.
- I mean, likely that they are.
- I don't ever look
at that stuff.
They're never gonna be
shared with anybody.
- How do we know this is,
like, truly over?
'Cause you don't really
seem to give a [bleep].
- It's not fun anymore
at this point
to have something going
just to know that it's
gonna come to an end for me,
as bad as, like,
something like this is.
- There's something really
just odd and off
about the way you're
talking about everything.
It's not that you're
overcome with guilt
by the sheer pain
and embarrassment
that you're causing these girls.
It's about the fact that, oh,
you don't want to just
get into a relationship that you
know you're gonna have to end.
None of it had to do with,
"I'm hurting a lot of people,
and that makes me feel
terrible inside."
- I thought that was--
I mean, it's obvious
that I'm hurting
these people, and I know that.
- Well, it's obvious that you're
hurting these people--
- Then why do it?
- What's not obvious is that
you care about that.
- Honestly, I don't think
you even have feelings.
That's how I feel.
- I think that's
how we all feel.
- I mean, I do.
- I don't believe in anything
you have to say; I really don't.
- Right, which leads me
to my next thing,
which is, there's only
one way to tell
if you're sorry,
and that's by stopping.
- You're right. Right.
- Prove me right.
- Okay.
- All right, so we'll--
we'll just be in touch
and let you know about
maybe meeting back up.
- Thanks, guys.
- All right, see you later.
- Miss you all.
- Wait, what'd you
say at the end?
"Miss you all"?
- Yeah.
- What is that?
That just sounded like a joke.
Like, did you really
say "miss you all,"
like a playful--like, was that
a playful remark?
- No, like, I do miss you.
- Did you just completely forget
everything we just
said to you about you,
like, appearing like
a total [bleep],
and then as we're leaving,
you make, like,
a jestful remark?
[fly buzzing]
- No.
- "Miss you all"?
- No.
- Dude, like, you really seem
like a huge [bleep].
- Yeah.
- So think about that.
- Working on it.
- That's...
- Thank you.
[dramatic music]
Whew! All right.
Nailed it.
- What's up, my man?
- This guy is a villain.
He's a menace to society.
- Yeah.
- We should make him,
under our supervision,
go on his social media accounts
and announce that Lucas is fake.
- Yes.
- This is the real me.
- And then we change
the password
to something that
he doesn't know.
- He's got to be shut down.
- All right, let's go
get these girls.
- Let's do it.
[dramatic music]
- It's creepy because he
understands it rationally...
- Right.
- And logically.
- But he doesn't feel bad.
- You guys ready for this?
- Yes.
♪
[doorbell rings]
- Hey. Hey, guys.
- Hello.
- Come on in.
♪
- Do you feel like you
made the most
of your opportunity to deal
with all of this yesterday?
- I didn't...
express myself in a way
that was necessarily 100%
respectful to the situation
and to these women.
It's disgusting.
It's perverted,
what I did.
I will admit to that, okay?
I wasn't searching for victims
for phone sex
or victims for naked pictures.
I think to say that
is a stretch,
'cause that's not
what I was doing.
- I feel sexually violated.
- Yeah.
- Like, that's how I feel.
- It's an intimate thing.
- It's an intimate thing.
It's very violating
to know, like,
it wasn't even the person
that it was supposed to be.
- Why are you smiling?
- You have no
emotions whatsoever.
It's like you're scripted.
Dead-ass.
It's like you're scripted.Like...
[monotone voice]
I'm going to talk like this
for the rest of this.
Like, that's you.
- Okay, okay, okay.
You know, what I was saying
has been what I think
you guys want to hear.
And it's pretty clear now
that that's not
the right thing to say.
You guys need the truth.
And if I don't feel
sorry for something,
you need to hear that.
- Yeah.
- Okay?
- Yeah.
- You don't feel bad.
- There were certain things
that I don't feel sorry for.
There was a point where I think
I had feelings
for each and every one of you.
I did definitely take advantage
of some of you guys
over the phone, okay?
- So you do feel something?
- I do feel something.
I do.
- Wow, congratulations.
- It's just not--see, like--
you're a giant [bleep].
That's what I [bleep] feel like.
- I feel like you guys
wanted me
to get to this point
the whole time.
- Yeah, you act like a child.
And I feel like I need
to talk to you
like my children.
- Then why did you keep
talking to me?
- I'm talking about the person--
this person.
- Yeah, me.
- Not Lucas, you.
- So what are you
not sorry about?
- I mean, in the grand
scheme of things, like,
is it really a need to be
upset about me lying?
Is there a need to dwell
over it for hours?
That, I think, is childish.
- I'm good.
I don't want to waste my time.
You guys have fun with him,
'cause I'm over it.
- Okay, so let's take
care of something
that we all collectively want,
which is shutting down
the accounts.
- Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
- All right, so I'm just
gonna take a photo of you.
- Okay.
- You want to communicate
that you're sorry.
♪
- Okay.
- There it is.
- Please read:
"This account is fake.
"This is the real me.
"My Snapchat, Tinder,
and Facebook
are all fake too."
- There it is.
There you are.
Changed the profile pic.
He has to be the one
to press send.
- Just hit--
send the same message.
- Okay.
- All right, how's that feel?
- [laughs]
- So now let's
change the password.
- Okay.
Okay.
The sooner you start
being honest with yourself
and people around you,
the sooner you'll be able
to recover from this
and start making a new
reputation for yourself.
- Yeah.
- It's on you.
- Yeah, it's on me.
- ♪ She runs to
the wishing well ♪
♪ With her pocket
full of dreams ♪
- We did everything we could
to make it as difficult
for him as possible
to start over again.
- Well, I mean--
- We did make two new friends.
- Yeah.
- No, we're, you know--
we're all very different,
but we obviously have the story
that connects us.
I'm glad that we had
each other
through this experience.
- And we got through
it together.
- Yeah.
- Sisters before misters?
- Sisters before misters.
- Always.
- ♪ No one's ready
for the girl ♪
[phone ringing]
- Hello!
- Hey, guys.
- Hey, gorgeous.
- Have you talked to Zac?
- Oh, man, I don't think
Zac has the balls
to even try to talk to me
after our last encounter,
which is perfectly fine.
I don't want anything
to do with him,
so we're good there.
The girls and I,
we chit-chat
every once in a while.
We say hello to each other.
- What about you now?
Do you have a love interest?
Dating anyone?
- I'm at the point
where it's like
my kids are so little,
so focusing on them
is really just my priority
right now.
- You do you, Jayme.
- Right.
[laughs]
- I'm glad to hear
everything's going well.
- Thanks, guys,
I appreciate it.
- Keep it touch.
- Yeah, bye.
- All right, bye, guys.
[phone ringing]
- Hey, guys.
[together]
Whoa!
- Mr. Haircut.
- I did get a haircut.
Thank you.
- So what was the response
to the posts that we put up?
- Some were like,
"Oh, haha, I knew that,"
or, like, "I figured."
Overall, it wasn't too bad.
- So you're totally
off dating sites
and no more Lucas anything?
- Yeah, yeah, no more
Lucas anything.
I don't miss all my time
being consumed
and having to have a story
for everything.
I'm relieved to be
free of that.
- Well, that's good
to hear, man.
- Hopefully you stay off
of Tinder
and Lucas doesn't rear
his ugly head.
- I agree, I agree.
- All right, man.
all: Bye.
- "I was just catfished
a year ago.
Now I've been catfished twice."
We don't want you
to keep getting hurt.
- Kodiak, where's that?
- It's an island off the coast
of Alaska.
- We're gonna go around town;
we're gonna find this guy.
- Do you know this guy?
- Have you seen this person?
- You're gonna tell him
how you feel.
- No.
- Nope.
- You're not gonna
be the victim.
1175
00:41:07.
- He's catfished over 400 girls.
- What? 400?
This guy is a villain.
He sucks. He's a problem.
He's a menace to society.
We're rolling in deep.
And he's got to be shut down.
I'm trashing this hotel room.
- Ow.
- We're bad.
Rargh!
Oh!
We did it!
We're rock stars.
- All I want to do
is start cleaning.
- [laughing]
All right.
[energetic rock music]
- All right, let's dive in.
- Okay, here we go.
We got an email here
from Jayme.
"My boyfriend is a Catfish.'
Ooh.
"Dear Nev and Max,
"I'm a 29-year-old and a mom
of two living Portland.
About six months ago, I met
a guy named Lucas on Tinder."
- Tinder!
- We got a Tinder--Tinder!
- Finally, Tinder.
"Lucas and I started to talk
and text all the time.
- ♪ So many reasons
for you and I ♪
♪ To go and leave
one another behind ♪
"Not only was he gorgeous,
but he was sweet
and empathetic."
- ♪ I was your
treasure, treasure ♪
- "Although Lucas went to school
in Missouri,
he was planning on relocating
to Portland."
Convenient.
- Yeah.
- ♪ I was your treasure
- "He wanted us to be exclusive,
and he told me he loved me."
- ♪ Was your treasure
- "Our relationship was solid.
But then things started
to get strange."
- Here comes the turn.
- "Lucas supposedly
moved to Portland,
but he couldn't meet me."
- Uh-oh.
-"I knew something was wrong.
"And so did my friends.
"From watching your show,
they knew how to do
a reverse image search."
- Finally.
- "And that's how I found out
Lucas was fake.
I haven't told Lucas that
I know he's lying to me."
- Oh, wow.
- "I want to meet
him face-to-face
to find out why
he's doing this."
- All right!
- So she's kept it going.
Let's see if we can get Jayme
on the old video chat.
- Ooh, wow.
- Oh, man.
- [clears throat]
I'm gonna have to spruce up.
- Hey.
- Hello.
- Hi, guys.
- Hi, how are you?
- I'm good.
- We just read your email.
You spent--was it about six
months--talking to this guy,
and established a really serious
connection with him.
- Yeah, you know,
we met on Tinder.
I was, like, "Oh my gosh,"
you know,
"You're so pretty.
"Here I am, a single
mother of two.
There's no way you're gonna
want to talk to me."
But I said, "ah,
let's give it a try."
"So I swiped right.
Pops up--we're a match.
And then eventually
we had, like,
our first phone conversation,
and we just really
emotionally connected.
Like, every day, anywhere
between an hour, two hours,
we're on the phone.
You know, sent pictures
to one another.
And he was just really
supportive of everything.
He was okay with the fact
that I had kids.
But when he wanted to make
things exclusive,
it just kind of scared me,
just 'cause we hadn't
even met yet.
- You kind of did your homework,
and you found out that this guy
might be using someone
else's photos?
- I actually didn't
do my homework
as well as my girlfriends
did my homework.
They did the image search,
and it came up linked
to someone else.
And I don't think
I'm the only person
he's doing this to,
because somebody
reached out to me
who had been talking
to Lucas also.
She lives in New York.
She got a hold of me just
based off of the ladies
that he was following
to let girls know
that he's not him.
- Whoa.
- Also, he talked me into
sending him private photos.
And I believe that's what
he does to everybody.
- Wow, this guy--
- Oh, my God.
- So are you afraid that
if you expose him
that he might release
some pictures?
- It's crossed my mind,
but I haven't confronted
him about it,
'cause I think he
has a suspicion
that I know that he's not
who he said he was.
So I could really use
you guys's help.
- This is a crazy story.
- Yeah.
- We've got to put
an end to this.
- Yeah, I think
you'd be doing
a lot of women a big favor.
- Yeah, so we need to find him
and bust him.
So sit sight.
We will fly to Portland.
We'll see if we can
figure this out.
- Thanks, you guys.
- All right, see you soon.
- Bye, Jayme.
- Bye.
- Well, I can't wait to catch
a catfish creep.
- Let's do it.
- All right.
- It's a very in-Portland job.
- [laughing]
- ♪ I'm walking on a flame
♪ My fear is gone,
but I'm still the same ♪
- Bye-bye.
- ♪ The war on women
has ended ♪
- We have made it to Portland.
- ♪ The war on women
has ended, ended ♪
- This is it.
- All right.
- ♪ Lies, lies, lies
[knocking]
- Hello.
- Hi, guys.
- Hey, how are you?
- I'm good.
Come on in.
My house is your house now.
- Thanks.
Wait a second.
- [laughing]
- Hold on.
- What?
- Uh, one thing doesn't
belong in this room.
- Yeah, so this is
the fireman's pole.
- Oh, fireman's pole.
- Yes.
- Look at, he's
done this before.
- Wow.
- Look at!
[laughing]
[all laughing]
- Is this a hobby?
- Um, yes and no.
It started off as one.
I used to model for "Playboy."
- That's something you failed
to mention on the email.
- Sorry, I left that out
a little bit, you know.
But I do dance now.
It allows me to have the most
time I can with my kids.
- Oh, okay.
- Yeah.
- So you're a professionaldancer.
- Dancer, yeah.
- Well, let's go sit down.
- Okay.
- Okay, so what is
a "Playboy" model doing
getting involved with
a guy on the Internet?
You don't have a problem
meeting guys.
- Well, I guess I
don't necessarily
have a problem meeting guys.
It's just my past
relationships--
being a mom was a problem.
And being a dancer
is a problem, so...
[sad music]
♪
It made me feel like
those were things
that I couldn't share
with anybody else.
So when I made the Tinder,
I left all that stuff out,
because I want somebody
to get to know...
me and what I have to offer,
rather than judging me
right away.
So it's just something that
I'm still trying
to deal with
and be comfortable with, like,
sharing with people.
- I see your predicament.
You meet this guy,
and you slowly
let him know these things,
and, you know, miraculously,
he's cool with it all.
- Yeah, Lucas just made,
you know, everything
a little bit easier.
The kid thing
didn't bother him.
He said he had worked
in a daycare before.
- Perfect.
- Yeah, perfect.
- Mr. Right.
- Mr. Perfect.
- So, you know, we continued
talking every day.
We didn't video chat or
anything
because he had informed me
that he was gonna
be moving to Portland
for an internship
around January 5th.
And so I wanted the first
time we saw each other
to be the first time
we saw each other.
It felt like it would just
make it that much more special.
Well, then, January
he moved here.
Days go by
where I was like, "Hey,
"do you want to meet up?
Let's get some coffee
or a cocktail or something."
- Hold on a second.
He, so--he moved
here in January.
- Mm-hmm.
- And he didn't come by
to see you?
- It's--this is [bleep].
- Yeah.
So then one night,
had a couple cocktails,
come home--my friends
were here that night.
And I'm like,
"Let's call Lucas!"
They're like, "Well, Lucas,
we don't believe you're you.
"So send us a Snapchat
of your face
"holding one finger up
with our names written
on a piece of paper."
So then he sent the Snapchat.
Like, you can't--
who can fake a Snapchat, right?
And I have the Snapchat.
So he's that gentleman
right there.
- Okay.
- This would be the Snapchat.
- Oh.
- I mean, that--
if I got that,
I would be like, "Whoa,
this guy's legit."
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
Well, one of my
friends was like,
"I bet you it's Photoshopped."
So she did a reverse
image search.
So the next picture
I'm gonna show you,
you're gonna look
pretty similar.
There we go.
- Ahh.
- Look at the shadow
where the finger is.
Wow--like, that's dedication.
That's where it's next-level.
- That's crazy.
- So that's what popped up
on the search,
and it led back to
a man named Trey.
Trey had a lot more photos
on his Instagram,
and not only that,
but in that same day,
a girl contacted me.
Her name's Urszula.
And she says, "Beware
of the scammer Lucas!
"He's pretending to be
somebody he's not,
and he's developing
relationships with other women,"
all of which I didn't
necessarily ask her about.
It's just a hard thing to know
that you were sending
private photos.
You know, I may have
done "Playboy,"
and I may be a dancer,
but when I send you
a personal picture,
it's because I trust you.
And it's disturbing to think
that he's taking advantage of
other women that way, too.
- Pretty a sinister thought.
- Yeah.
No, it's disgusting.
- We got to figure out
who this guy is.
At the moment,
it looks like Urszula
probably knows the most.
So maybe we should
video chat with her
just to make sure she's legit.
- Absolutely.
- Okay.
[computer ringing]
- Oh, my God.
- Whoa.
- Hi.
- Hey, guys.
- How are you?
- Good, how are you?
- Really good.
Thanks for answering my call.
Obviously--I don't know
if you recognize Jayme.
- I do, hey.
- Hi.
- Nice to meet you.
- But we've been talking
a lot about you,
and we have so many questions.
And we're trying to figure
all this out.
Can you explain to us what
happened with you and Lucas
and everything that
you figured out?
- Yeah, we met off Tinder.
He told me he was
living in Missouri.
Then he told me he was
moving to New York City
for an internship at
a technology company
in New York.
- Yeah.
- And then I basically
found out
that he's not who
he really is,
because I booked
a flight to Missouri.
So he came clean.
- But you booked a flight
to Missouri--did you go?
- No, I didn't go.
No, I didn't go.
- You told him that you
bought your ticket,
and then he realized he
better tell you the truth?
- Yeah.
- What did you tell you?
- "I'm not who I've
been saying I am.
I'm not the guy
in the pictures."
- Jayme sent him pictures--
some of them nudes.
Did you ever send him similar--
- Yes, yes, I did send him
intimate photos
and videos.
This is what I think he does:
gets into an intimate
relationship with these girls,
gets nudes from them,
and then after a while,
he'll reveal himself
and then just
block these girls.
And he's probably
still doing that.
- I guess he blocked you too.
- Yeah.
- Okay, so how did you find out
about all these other girls?
- When he told me that he's not
the guy in the pictures,
I screenshotted some
of the girls that
were following him,
and then I reached out to them.
That's how I found Jayme.
- So considering that you've
both been involved in this,
we could try and do
this together.
I think it'd be more powerful
for him to be confronted
by both of you than
just one of you.
- Absolutely.
- Are you available to fly
and meet us here in Portland?
- Yeah, yeah.
- All right, safe travels.
- Bye.
- Bye.
- Okay, so this guy's
creepy and weird--
- He's got a little bit of power
in his corner
with the photos that he's got.
- He's got these photos of you,
and, like, the last thing you
want to do is piss him off.
He knows a lot about you;
he knows where you work.
He knows about your kids.
It's really scary.
This guy could be
a real monster.
- So what do we know?
We know that Lucas isn't
the guy in the picture.
He's been talking
to lots of girls,
convincing them he's real,
getting them to
send him nudes,
and he's leaving a trail
of destruction
and broken hearts.
- Mm-hmm.
- We have his phone number.
- Phone number is often
the best clue we have.
- There we go.
Let's see what we got.
[suspenseful music]
- Mmm.
- No hits.
- Why don't we
try another app?
- Yeah, different websites,
sometimes...
- Different information.
- Get different results
- And boom!
- Just Zac?
- Just Zac.
- He lives in St. Louis.
- Well, let's do
a Facebook search
for Zac in St. Louis.
- Yeah.
♪
Whoa, we got some Zacs.
- Bunch of faceless...
- Which is weird, right?
- Mm-hmm.
- That there's four
faceless accounts.
Whoa, this guy
looks creepy AF.
- [laughing]
- I think we should
look at this guy.
- That guy could be a catfish.
- He's in high school.
- He looks like he's
kind of popular, and--
- Yeah.
- I don't feel like
this is our person.
- Yeah, I don't think so.
Wow, all these Zacs.
- We got to narrow this down.
- Hmm.
[dramatic music]
- What?
- The person I talked to
on the phone
was obsessed with Lorde.
- So wait--so Lucas
was obsessed with Lorde?
- Lucas was obsessed.
- Really?
- 'Cause we talked about music.
- He told you he was a fan
of the singer Lorde?
- Yeah.
- This could be the lead
we're looking for.
Cyber Security is his major.
- Whoa.
If he is intelligent when it
comes to computer technology,
he might know how
to manipulate things.
- What are the chances?
He likes Lorde,
he's from Missouri--
- All signs point to this guy.
[dramatic music]
♪
I mean, what if it is this guy?
- [crying] That's just so gross
and so wrong.
I'm just so upset.
It's, like, even though I knew,
it's just, like--
it's all right in front
of me right now,
and it's just so disgusting,
like, to think about the things
that I shared with him.
It's just so gross.
♪
- I mean, yeah, it's gross.
It's selfish.
It's twisted.
- Why don't we stop for today?
Urszula will be here tomorrow.
We can go over
all this with her.
and decide what we want
to do next together.
- Okay.
We'll talk to you
in the morning.
Feel better.
- Okay, I will.
- We've seen some serial catfish
on the show before,
but this guy is sort of taking
it to a whole 'nother level.
- No, this guy is gross.
- Right.
I want to see his account.
- Uh-huh.
- The problem is,
he blocks the girls
we've spoken to.
- I see where you're going.
Let's bait him into
friending us.
- Yes.
- Let's use someone
from the crew.
- Exactly.
We're not catfishing him.
We just want to get--
- We're getting--
we need to get a man
behind enemy lines...
- That's right.
- Or a woman.
- Right.
- All right. Let's recruit.
- Okay, guys.
Can we do a little
team huddle?
You guys know what we're
dealing with here, right?
- Yeah.
- We want to see if
this guy really is
as gross as he sounds.
So we're thinking--
if the ladies of the crew
are willing to--
try following him.
Hopefully he'll accept someone.
- So what if he
messages me back?
What do I say?
- Just keep it casual--
just like, "Oh, yeah, I thought
you looked interesting."
- Yeah, we can do it.
- Okay.
- Great.
So you two--you're on
catfish patrol.
- Okay.
- He accepted!
- Whoo!
- All right, let's see.
- We're in!
- So--page is obviously
very much up,
and the last picture that he
posted was 17 hours ago.
- Let's go see who
he's following.
- All women.
I have not seen
a single guy yet.
- This is real pathetic.
Every second we let
him up there,
he is seducing some poor woman
from across the country.
- I think we should get going.
- All right.
We flew Urszula to Portland.
- Right.
- And together,
we're going to mount
a class-action attack on him.
- Wait, that could be her.
I see her.
I see her--the girl in black.
- Hey.
- Hi.
- I'm Urszula.
- Nice to meet you, finally.
- Nice to meet you.
- How do you feel about
this whole thing?
Kind of weird?
- Uh, yeah.
I mean, what he did
is just crazy to me.
Like, going on for months
to the point that
I book a flight--
that's not okay.
- How does someone like this
convince you that
they're real?
I mean, he must've done
a pretty good job.
- Oh, he did a really great job.
He sent me a video on Snapchat.
It was just believable.
- What was in the video?
- It was just of him walking...
- Hey.
- Out of a building,
and you can
see his face clearly
of the guy in the picture.
I didn't know you
can do anything
with Snapchat like that.
- Well, there are
third-party apps
that you can use
to upload photos.
- Yeah, but that was
pretty convincing to me.
That was convincing enough.
[dramatic music]
♪
- This is Urszula.
- Hi, nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
- Have a seat.
All right, so welcome
to Portland.
- You've had some time
this morning on the plane
to kind of think about
everything that's happened.
Where does your mind go?
- It hurts, you know.
It hurts.
We told each other we're
in love with each other,
and, you know, we were
talking on a daily basis.
He was there for me.
- Were you guys intimate
on the phone with each other?
- Yes, we were--he would
always start it,
but we were intimate.
- He would initiate,
like, phone sex?
- Yeah, he would.
- How many times
did that happen?
- A lot.
- A lot?
- Yeah.
Two to three times a week.
- Did that happen with you?
- One time.
- Once.
- This guy is...
- Disgusting.
- Totally gross.
- Why don't we bring you
up to speed?
Yesterday, we sort of figured,
"Okay, let's search
for his number--
see if it comes up
with any names."
It came back registered
to someone named Zac.
Looks like he lives
in St. Louis.
So then we just searched
Zac on Facebook.
We found a page.
Could this be him?
- Wait, I've s--
I feel like I've
seen that before.
When he told me that he's not
the guy in the pictures,
I'm like, "Show me proof.
Like, prove it to me."
So he sent me a picture.
[tense music]
- That is him.
- Oh, man.
That's definitely the same guy.
- Yeah.
- So we got our guy.
Now, we asked the women
on our crew
to try and follow him,
and he accepted.
So--page is obviously
very much up,
and the last picture
that he posted
was 17 hours ago.
- That's messed up, because when
he was apologizing to me,
he told me I'm the last one,
which is obviously bull[bleep].
When I asked him why he's
been doing this to us
and other women, he called us
"an experiment."
- Ugh.
- But he admitted to me
he's catfished over 400 girls.
- What!
- 400?
- Are you kidding?
- Gross.
[phone dings]
- What?
- Just got a weird
text message.
This is from Mike at casting.
"Hey, guys, hope all
is well with you.
"We were just contacted
by a woman named Sarah.
"She was catfished by
a guy named Lucas,
"and we think this could be
connected to the story
you're currently filming."
- Let's call her.
- Hi, Sarah.
- Hi.
- How are you?
It's Nev and Max.
So someone from our casting
just saw an email that you sent
about this guy that
you're talking to, Lucas.
- We're sitting with two girls,
Urszula and Jayme.
- Hi.
- So these girls also
met Lucas on Tinder.
What's became very apparent
is that this guy, Zac,
has been doing this for years
to maybe hundreds of women
across the country.
So if we go to Missouri to
find him and confront him,
would be willing to
meet us there too?
'Cause I think the more
people we bring,
the more powerful
the message might be.
All right, well, thanks, Sarah.
Okay, see you.
There's a chance that one
of the hundreds of girls
that he's talking to
are potentially
putting themselves
in a compromising position.
I mean, we don't even know
what he's done
to some of these girls.
- Why don't we message
all the other girls
who are following him
and who might be
talking to him--
- Tenesha, can we take
a look at your phone?
- Yeah.
- Tenesha's our spy.
- Hi, Tenesha.
- Okay, cool, thanks.
- You're welcome.
You ready?
Hi, it's Nev and Max
from the show "Catfish."
- We're doing an episode
right now that involves
your "friend" Lucas.
- Lucas is not the guy
in the pictures.
Here are two girls who have
believed that, at one time,
they were dating Lucas.
Thank you for watching,
and sorry if you got hurt
or lied to
or taken advantage of.
- Bye.
- Okay.
- So game plan is now
we get on a plane tomorrow...
- Okay.
- To go to St. Louis.
- Yeah, we know his name.
We know we can find him.
I mean, I don't want
to give this guy
any room to try and sneak away
or disappear on us,
'cause it's game over
for this guy.
- Hello, ladies.
- Good morning.
- We brought Posh Spice,
Sporty Spice,
Salt-and-Pepper Spice,
'cause that's a spice.
- Sure.
- I don't know what Spice I am.
- Hairy Spice.
- Hairy Spice.
- ♪ Oh, lyin' awake
in a fever ♪
- Am I the only one who woke up
this morning and realized
how what we're doing
is kind of crazy?
- I don't think any of it
seems quite real to me yet,
but the second, like, we
pull up to a house...
- Yeah.
- ♪ I don't want to
♪ Ever lose you
♪ I will love you
always, always ♪
♪
- You guys are becoming
the best of friends.
- We're friends too.
There's St. Louis there.
We made it.
- ♪ I will be loving you
always, always ♪
♪ Always, always, always
♪ I will love you always
- Hi.
- Hello.
- Sarah, right?
- Yes.
- Hi.
- Hi.
- Nev. Good to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
- Hi, I'm Max.
- Hi, Max.
- Hey.
- Hey.
This is Sarah.
- This is Sarah.
- Hi.
- Jayme, this is Sarah.
- Hi, I'm Sarah.
Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
- So here we are.
We've got three of you here
from different parts
of the country.
We kind of heard your story
the other day on video.
- Mm-hmm.
We know that you,
sort of like everybody,
talked to him, and on Tinder,
things were going well.
- Yeah, um, so mine started out
the same way--Tinder.
He also told me, you know, he's
not talking to any other girls.
When I found out, he said,
"This is the last time
it's gonna happen."
- Go ahead and tell her what
he said about all the--
- Oh, yeah, he said
we're an experiment.
- All right, that's creepy.
- Well, look, we now
have his "experiment"
by the balls.
We could go find this guy
and make it stop.
- How do we do that?
- Well, I think we take
a picture of all of us,
and we just write out a message
that just says, like,
"The world can see you
as this awful monster,
"or you can agree
to talk to us
and try to offer
some explanation."
- Right.
- Brandon, will you
take this picture?
- Sure.
- Max, let's just
go behind them.
Channel your anger
through your eyes.
[tense music]
- Okay, got it.
- Got it.
- Thank you.
All right.
"Hey Zac, AKA Lucas,
"this is Nev from
the MTV show 'Catfish.'
"I'm sure you've heard of it.
"As you can see, I'm here with
Sarah, Urszula, and Jayme,
"who you have been lying to.
"We're here in Missouri
and are willing
"to offer you an opportunity
to come clean
"and explain yourself in person.
"We suggest you agree
to meet us today,
"face-to-face, to give us
your side of the story."
- Sounds good.
- Mm-hmm.
- All right, while we
wait for Zac,
why don't we take a little break
and see what he says?
- Okay.
- Thank you.
[dramatic music]
♪
[cell phone dings]
- Uh-oh. All right.
Well, I just got a text back.
[dark music]
Oh, my God.
♪
- What'd you get.
- Pfff.
I, I--it's, like,
hard to even--
say it.
- What is it?
What is it?
- Look, I--I'm embarrassed
to even read it.
It's, like, so gross.
- What'd you get?
- It's, like, hard
to even say it.
- What is it?
What is it?
- His response was,
"Great picture"--smiley face.
"I'm at my parents'
house this weekend.
You can meet me here."
You're kidding me.
What could possibly
be more disgusting--
- I mean, yeah, he's, like--
- Vile.
- Unapologetic.
- Unapologetic, yeah.
- He's just, like,
laughing about it.
- All right, well,
we got an address.
- Yeah, well, so let's
see where this is.
- Let's go put this
catfish to bed.
- All right, well,
let's gather the posse.
Round 'em up.
- Hey, all right.
- Hello.
- We got an address.
- Okay.
- Hi.
- Hey.
You good to go?
- Yep.
- We got an address.
We're moving.
All right.
How are you?
- Good, how are you guys?
- We just got a response.
- Let's go.
- Let's go.
You don't want to be
in front of this train.
We're rolling in deep.
SWAT team.
All right.
Let's do it.
- So on behalf of all
the 400 girls he's talking to,
let's go confront this guy.
- My name's Courtney.
I met Lucas a few months ago
on Tinder.
- My name is Lana.
- Kayla.
- Avery.
- Sonia.
- My name's Analecia.
- I met Lucas about
five months ago...
- ♪ Is this what
we have become? ♪
- We talked constantly.
- He seemed like
a really sweet guy.
- Kind, loving...
- ♪ Ooh
♪ Is this what
we have become? ♪
- He wanted to move to Wisconsin
to be with me.
- He was going to move
to Sweden.
- ♪ Ooh
♪ Is this what
we have become? ♪
- I know he was lying to me.
- I just feel the fool.
- ♪ Some people need healing
- I hope you guys find him
and he gets what he deserves.
- ♪ Some people need love
- And...it's right here.
- [exhales sharply]
- Oh, my God, my heart's
beating fast.
I'm scared.
- Okay, you guys
ready to do this?
- Yeah.
- All right, let's do it.
- Okay, I'm really scared.
Oh, my God.
- You're going up to the door,
though, Nev.
- Well, yeah, you guys can
hang back a little bit.
Wait right here.
Perfect.
[foreboding music]
♪
[doorbell rings]
♪
- Hello.
- Hey, what's up?
- Are you Zac?
- Yes, this is me.
- Hi.
- Hi.
- How are you?
- I'm great.
You're who I was
texting with earlier?
- Yes, yes, it's me.
And you know these
three young women.
- I do, I do.
- Why don't you come on out
for a second?
- Yeah, sure.
- So I don't know if
you have something
you want to start with,
'cause we have a lot we
want to say, obviously.
- Yeah, so, um...
♪
I don't know where to begin.
- Well, why don't you start
with who you are?
- Okay.
- And how this all started.
- Okay, um...
as you guys knew me as Lucas,
um, I'm Zac.
That's my real name.
[sighs]
This all started
just over a year ago.
I was curious about someone who
was as attractive as Lucas--
the kind of reception
they would get on Tinder
versus Zac, myself.
I started to really enjoy
the attention I was getting
from people I'd never gotten
attention from before,
and that, to me, was something
I'd never experienced,
and I was--I was really
happy about that.
And that's the--
that's where it started.
- Okay.
- How many?
How many girls?
- Too many--
um, that I talked
personally with--
I got their numbers--
like, 400.
- That's disgusting!
- Yeah!
- That's disgusting.
- Oh, my God.
- I mean, that's one
of the blunders
of online dating is, um,
you start talking to these
people casually and--
- That's not casual talk when
you have to Photoshop photos
and take an hour to make
a fake video.
That's not casual talk.
- I mean, that's--
- That's deliberate lying.
- I recognize, like, 100%
that that is not okay.
- So why do it if it's not okay?
[dramatic music]
- At the time, I didn't
think twice of it.
- Have you ever hurt that bad?
Like, has anybody
ever crushed you?
- Maybe once, twice.
- Okay, well, it's happened
to me a lot.
I didn't need somebody else
to come along
and manipulate me
and take time away from my kids
and my family.
- Are you thinking of the impact
of your actions
when you do these things?
- Honestly, no, you know.
Like, that's the selfish part,
'cause I haven't really
had the opportunity,
possibly, wanted to say.
- Well, it's not about
having the opportunity.
It's about just
[bleep] doing it.
- Yeah, yeah.
- You know,
there are a lot
of lines that you crossed--
soliciting naked photos
from them was a huge
line that you crossed.
- Okay, and I'd like
to address that.
- Yeah, address that.
- Please address that.
- I can't just stand here
and say, like,
that wasn't interesting,
because that was.
But that wasn't the point.
- What do you do with them?
What do you do with the photos?
Are they all, like,
on your computer...
- They're gone;
I deleted them.
- In file folders with "Lisa"
and "Jan's Stuff"...
- "Urszula."
- Do you save them?
'Cause I'm betting money
that you do.
- I deleted them.
I'm not proud
of that side of it.
That's the side that--
- Listen.
You catfished
all these girls.
This whole thing is nothing
to be proud of.
- I really have a hard time
believe you delete the photos.
- You guys can look if you want.
- Do you have your
phone on you?
- Yeah.
- Well, let's look at the phone.
Let's start with the phone.
- Hold on.
- Are you deleting
stuff right now?
- No, no, I'm not--
I'm just, like--
I'm scrolling back and forth.
- We know how to scroll
through a phone.
- Yeah, okay.
- I would normally say your
privacy would be something
I'd care about,
but in this case...
so wait, are you recording...
- Yeah, our conversation, yeah.
- You're recording all this?
- Um...
- Are you kidding me?
- Um...
- That's so [bleep] up!
- So wait, are you--
you're recording--
- Yeah, our conversation, yeah.
- You're recording all this?
- Um...
- Are you kidding me?
- Um...
- That's so [bleep] up!
- Yeah.
- Let Nev--look, Nev--
just take a step back
so he can't look
over your shoulder.
Don't worry about him.
He'll find or not find
whatever he's looking for.
- Yeah, yeah.
- I'm finding some
stuff on your phone.
- Okay, I didn't--I didn't,
like, scrutinize, like--
- Yeah, I know, but I,
you know,
I know enough about how
to keep things private
to know to look
in your Google Drive,
which you probably didn't think
I was gonna go into,
I found one list that you keep
in your Google Drive:
"list of girls."
Jayme in parentheses next to it.
It says, "Portland,
former 'Playboy' model."
And then you have
a status list underneath,
and for Megan it says,
"On the level of saying,
'I love you,'
lives in Vegas, doesn't know
she's being catfished."
"Lauren: also on the level
of saying, 'I love you,'
"lives in Palm Springs,
I think,
doesn't know
she's being catfished."
"Deborah, been talking
for a while.
"She lives in Illinois.
"Wants to meet Lucas badly.
Watch out for that subject."
- Oh, my--
- "Doesn't know she's
being catfished."
"Jayme, talking since November.
Urszula told her
she's being catfished."
So you were keeping notes.
- You categorized me.
- And you're not even listening.
You want your damn phone back.
- In the videos,
which I went through,
I found a lot.
And weirdly, they come up
as videos,
but when I go to play them,
they don't play,
which maybe is because
it saved the thumbnail,
but it deleted
the actual video.
But you can see here...
- Oh, Jesus.
- One of you--this is a--
- Oh, my God.
- This is a picture of you.
Lots of pictures of girls
that are clearly--
they're masturbating, or--
- Jesus.
- So you still have that video.
- Okay, well,
the thing is--
- So you have our pictures
saved somewhere.
- I mean, likely that they are.
- I don't ever look
at that stuff.
They're never gonna be
shared with anybody.
- How do we know this is,
like, truly over?
'Cause you don't really
seem to give a [bleep].
- It's not fun anymore
at this point
to have something going
just to know that it's
gonna come to an end for me,
as bad as, like,
something like this is.
- There's something really
just odd and off
about the way you're
talking about everything.
It's not that you're
overcome with guilt
by the sheer pain
and embarrassment
that you're causing these girls.
It's about the fact that, oh,
you don't want to just
get into a relationship that you
know you're gonna have to end.
None of it had to do with,
"I'm hurting a lot of people,
and that makes me feel
terrible inside."
- I thought that was--
I mean, it's obvious
that I'm hurting
these people, and I know that.
- Well, it's obvious that you're
hurting these people--
- Then why do it?
- What's not obvious is that
you care about that.
- Honestly, I don't think
you even have feelings.
That's how I feel.
- I think that's
how we all feel.
- I mean, I do.
- I don't believe in anything
you have to say; I really don't.
- Right, which leads me
to my next thing,
which is, there's only
one way to tell
if you're sorry,
and that's by stopping.
- You're right. Right.
- Prove me right.
- Okay.
- All right, so we'll--
we'll just be in touch
and let you know about
maybe meeting back up.
- Thanks, guys.
- All right, see you later.
- Miss you all.
- Wait, what'd you
say at the end?
"Miss you all"?
- Yeah.
- What is that?
That just sounded like a joke.
Like, did you really
say "miss you all,"
like a playful--like, was that
a playful remark?
- No, like, I do miss you.
- Did you just completely forget
everything we just
said to you about you,
like, appearing like
a total [bleep],
and then as we're leaving,
you make, like,
a jestful remark?
[fly buzzing]
- No.
- "Miss you all"?
- No.
- Dude, like, you really seem
like a huge [bleep].
- Yeah.
- So think about that.
- Working on it.
- That's...
- Thank you.
[dramatic music]
Whew! All right.
Nailed it.
- What's up, my man?
- This guy is a villain.
He's a menace to society.
- Yeah.
- We should make him,
under our supervision,
go on his social media accounts
and announce that Lucas is fake.
- Yes.
- This is the real me.
- And then we change
the password
to something that
he doesn't know.
- He's got to be shut down.
- All right, let's go
get these girls.
- Let's do it.
[dramatic music]
- It's creepy because he
understands it rationally...
- Right.
- And logically.
- But he doesn't feel bad.
- You guys ready for this?
- Yes.
♪
[doorbell rings]
- Hey. Hey, guys.
- Hello.
- Come on in.
♪
- Do you feel like you
made the most
of your opportunity to deal
with all of this yesterday?
- I didn't...
express myself in a way
that was necessarily 100%
respectful to the situation
and to these women.
It's disgusting.
It's perverted,
what I did.
I will admit to that, okay?
I wasn't searching for victims
for phone sex
or victims for naked pictures.
I think to say that
is a stretch,
'cause that's not
what I was doing.
- I feel sexually violated.
- Yeah.
- Like, that's how I feel.
- It's an intimate thing.
- It's an intimate thing.
It's very violating
to know, like,
it wasn't even the person
that it was supposed to be.
- Why are you smiling?
- You have no
emotions whatsoever.
It's like you're scripted.
Dead-ass.
It's like you're scripted.Like...
[monotone voice]
I'm going to talk like this
for the rest of this.
Like, that's you.
- Okay, okay, okay.
You know, what I was saying
has been what I think
you guys want to hear.
And it's pretty clear now
that that's not
the right thing to say.
You guys need the truth.
And if I don't feel
sorry for something,
you need to hear that.
- Yeah.
- Okay?
- Yeah.
- You don't feel bad.
- There were certain things
that I don't feel sorry for.
There was a point where I think
I had feelings
for each and every one of you.
I did definitely take advantage
of some of you guys
over the phone, okay?
- So you do feel something?
- I do feel something.
I do.
- Wow, congratulations.
- It's just not--see, like--
you're a giant [bleep].
That's what I [bleep] feel like.
- I feel like you guys
wanted me
to get to this point
the whole time.
- Yeah, you act like a child.
And I feel like I need
to talk to you
like my children.
- Then why did you keep
talking to me?
- I'm talking about the person--
this person.
- Yeah, me.
- Not Lucas, you.
- So what are you
not sorry about?
- I mean, in the grand
scheme of things, like,
is it really a need to be
upset about me lying?
Is there a need to dwell
over it for hours?
That, I think, is childish.
- I'm good.
I don't want to waste my time.
You guys have fun with him,
'cause I'm over it.
- Okay, so let's take
care of something
that we all collectively want,
which is shutting down
the accounts.
- Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
- All right, so I'm just
gonna take a photo of you.
- Okay.
- You want to communicate
that you're sorry.
♪
- Okay.
- There it is.
- Please read:
"This account is fake.
"This is the real me.
"My Snapchat, Tinder,
and Facebook
are all fake too."
- There it is.
There you are.
Changed the profile pic.
He has to be the one
to press send.
- Just hit--
send the same message.
- Okay.
- All right, how's that feel?
- [laughs]
- So now let's
change the password.
- Okay.
Okay.
The sooner you start
being honest with yourself
and people around you,
the sooner you'll be able
to recover from this
and start making a new
reputation for yourself.
- Yeah.
- It's on you.
- Yeah, it's on me.
- ♪ She runs to
the wishing well ♪
♪ With her pocket
full of dreams ♪
- We did everything we could
to make it as difficult
for him as possible
to start over again.
- Well, I mean--
- We did make two new friends.
- Yeah.
- No, we're, you know--
we're all very different,
but we obviously have the story
that connects us.
I'm glad that we had
each other
through this experience.
- And we got through
it together.
- Yeah.
- Sisters before misters?
- Sisters before misters.
- Always.
- ♪ No one's ready
for the girl ♪
[phone ringing]
- Hello!
- Hey, guys.
- Hey, gorgeous.
- Have you talked to Zac?
- Oh, man, I don't think
Zac has the balls
to even try to talk to me
after our last encounter,
which is perfectly fine.
I don't want anything
to do with him,
so we're good there.
The girls and I,
we chit-chat
every once in a while.
We say hello to each other.
- What about you now?
Do you have a love interest?
Dating anyone?
- I'm at the point
where it's like
my kids are so little,
so focusing on them
is really just my priority
right now.
- You do you, Jayme.
- Right.
[laughs]
- I'm glad to hear
everything's going well.
- Thanks, guys,
I appreciate it.
- Keep it touch.
- Yeah, bye.
- All right, bye, guys.
[phone ringing]
- Hey, guys.
[together]
Whoa!
- Mr. Haircut.
- I did get a haircut.
Thank you.
- So what was the response
to the posts that we put up?
- Some were like,
"Oh, haha, I knew that,"
or, like, "I figured."
Overall, it wasn't too bad.
- So you're totally
off dating sites
and no more Lucas anything?
- Yeah, yeah, no more
Lucas anything.
I don't miss all my time
being consumed
and having to have a story
for everything.
I'm relieved to be
free of that.
- Well, that's good
to hear, man.
- Hopefully you stay off
of Tinder
and Lucas doesn't rear
his ugly head.
- I agree, I agree.
- All right, man.
all: Bye.
- "I was just catfished
a year ago.
Now I've been catfished twice."
We don't want you
to keep getting hurt.
- Kodiak, where's that?
- It's an island off the coast
of Alaska.
- We're gonna go around town;
we're gonna find this guy.
- Do you know this guy?
- Have you seen this person?
- You're gonna tell him
how you feel.
- No.
- Nope.
- You're not gonna
be the victim.
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