Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 1, Episode 3 - Kim & Matt - full transcript
Kim's been pouring her heart out to Matt for over 10 yrs. However, he's refused to get together with her. Now, Kim's facing a life-changing decision -- should she marry her current boyfriend or find out if Matt is her soul mate?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
WHICH IS HIS APARTMENT?
LET'S--LET'S GET READY FOR HIM.
>> I DON'T EITHER.
>> GOOD?
>> I'M GOOD.
>> YOU GOT IT?
>> I HEAR A DOOR.
>> OOH.
HI, I'M NEV.
A COUPLE YEARS AGO,
I FELL IN LOVE ONLINE.
TURNS OUT MY CRUSH WASN'T WHO I
THOUGHT SHE WAS.
I THOUGHT I FELL IN LOVE WITH
MEGAN, BUT MEGAN WAS REALLY
ANGELA.
I WAS HEARTBROKEN.
BUT THE WEIRDEST PART OF IT ALL,
ANGELA AND I ACTUALLY BECAME
FRIENDS.
NOT ONLY THAT, MY BROTHER AND
HIS FILMMAKING PARTNER SHOT THE
WHOLE THING.
AND TURNED IT INTO A DOCUMENTARY
THAT WAS A PRETTY BIG HIT.
SUDDENLY MY INBOX WAS EXPLODING
WITH EMAILS.
"WHEN I SAW YOUR MOVIE CATFISH,
I COULDN'T BELIEVE THE
SIMILARITIES."
IT FELT LIKE EVERYONE ON THE
INTERNET WANTED TO TELL ME
ABOUT THEIR BIZARRE ONLINE
ROMANCE.
I SHOULD JUST PURSUE EVERY
SINGLE ONE OF THESE LEADS,
AND WE SHOULD MAKE A SHOW OF IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO.
I'M HITTING THE ROAD WITH MY
FILMMAKER BUDDY MAX AND A CREW
FROM MTV, TO HELP PEOPLE MEET
THEIR ONLINE LOVES FOR THE FIRST
TIME.
OKAY, I THINK THIS IS IT.
IT'S GO TIME RIGHT NOW.
>> GO TIME.
>> ALL RIGHT.
IS THE PERSON THEY'VE FALLEN
FOR TELLING THE TRUTH?
>> MAYBE SHE'S LIKE SOME SUPER
SEXY FARMER'S DAUGHTER.
>> OR HIDING BEHIND LIES?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF I JUST WANT
TO GO CRY.
>> WILL THEY FIND LOVE...
>> GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS.
>> OR HEARTACHE?
DEFINITELY DID NOT SEE THIS
COMING.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY
RIGHT NOW.
>> NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS,
WE'RE HERE TO HELP SOLVE THE
MYSTERY.
>> I CANNOT BELIEVE IT'S YOU.
>> HOPEFULLY FIND THE LIGHT AT
THE END OF THE TUNNEL, IF IT'S,
YOU KNOW, HAPPY OR NOT.
>> WHAT ARE YOU BLATHERING
ABOUT?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
CATFISH THE MOVIE WAS MY STORY.
CATFISH: THE TV SHOW IS YOURS.
MAX?
>> YEAH, I'M GOOD.
>> YOU DEFINITELY RECORDING?
>> YEAH, IT'S RECORDING.
RED BUTTON'S ON.
>> OKAY, EXCELLENT.
I'M GONNA DIVE INTO MY CATFISH
EMAIL HERE AND SEE--SEE WHAT'S
COME IN IN THE LAST COUPLE
HOURS.
HERE'S A NEW ONE.
"SUBJECT: CAN YOU PLEASE HELP!
DEAR NEV, MY NAME IS KIM.
I'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO A YOUNG
MAN NAMED MATT FOR TEN YEARS."
>> THAT'S A LONG TIME.
>> "WHEN I WAS 15, I STARTED
USING A CHAT ROOM THROUGH AOL
AND RANDOMLY STARTED CHATTING
WITH HIM.
FROM TALKING ONLINE, IT SOON
PROGRESSED TO LONG-DISTANCE
PHONE CALLS.
WE'D ALWAYS DISCUSSED MEETING,
BUT HE WOULD ALWAYS FIND AN
EXCUSE NOT TO.
I FEEL LIKE MATT COULD BE MY
SOUL MATE.
I NEED TO MEET MATT, BECAUSE,
BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, THIS LITTLE
THING CALLED 'LIFE' JUST GETS
AWAY FROM YOU.
PLEASE, NEV, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH
THIS, AND MAYBE YOU CAN TALK HIM
INTO MEETING ME."
>> YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THE
RABBIT HOLE ON THIS ONE?
>> [laughs] YEAH, DEFINITELY.
TEN YEARS OF VERY CLOSE
FRIENDSHIP.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO WHAT WE CAN
TO HELP THIS GIRL.
[computer tone]
OH, HERE'S KIM.
>> HELLO.
>> both: HEY, KIM.
>> WOW, HI.
>> WHERE ARE YOU?
>> MICHIGAN.
IT'S A SMALL TOWN CALLED ALTO.
>> TELL ME ABOUT THIS GUY MATT.
>> I'D REALLY, REALLY LIKE TO
MEET HIM, BUT, FOR SOME REASON,
HE DOESN'T WANT TO MEET ME.
AND I'VE NEVER SKYPED WITH HIM.
I'VE NEVER--HE WON'T.
HE REFUSES.
>> HMM.
>> I MEAN, IT'S BEEN OVER TEN
YEARS.
>> THAT'S A LONG, LONG TIME.
>> YEAH, THAT'S TEN--THAT'S
YOUR, LIKE, ADULT LIFE,
BASICALLY, WHICH IS CRAZY.
>> JUST IT'S TIME.
IT IS TIME.
>> HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A
PHOTOGRAPH OF HIM?
>> I HAVE, ON FACEBOOK.
>> * I BUILD IT UP
* I BUILD IT UP
* AND I DREAM IT UP...
>> I LOVE HIS PERSONALITY.
I LOVE TALKING TO HIM ON THE
PHONE.
I LOVE HIS VOICE.
I LOVE HIS DUMB JOKES.
BUT I'M SICK OF WAITING.
I AM SO READY.
I'VE BEEN READY FOR, LIKE,
9 1/2 YEARS.
>> [laughs]
I THINK THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE
STORY.
I'M SUPER CURIOUS ABOUT MATT,
AND I REALLY WANT YOU TO MEET
HIM.
>> SO WE'RE COMING TO ALTO.
>> WE'RE GONNA FLY TO ALTO.
>> YOU ARE AWESOME.
YAY, I'M SO EXCITED.
>> YEAH, BYE, KIM.
SEE YOU SOON.
>> BYE, KIM.
>> THANK YOU.
>> GOING BACK TO MICHIGAN.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> WE'RE GOING TO ALTO.
>> GREAT.
>> ALL RIGHT, NICE.
>> I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THAT IS.
>> NEXT STOP, ALTO.
>> LET'S SEE WHAT THE
TEMPERATURE IS LIKE.
>> I'M FORECASTING DRAMA AND
MYSTERY.
>> * YOU'RE HAUNTED *
* AND YOU CAN'T FIND YOUR WAY *
>> THANK YOU.
>> *YOU'RE RESTING *
* BUT THERE'S NOWHERE TO LAY *
>> TEETH CHECK.
>> AM I GOOD?
>> YEAH, YOU'RE CLEAN.
>> WOW, THIS IS--SEE, THIS IS
WHAT I DREAMED ABOUT.
ALL RIGHT.
[grunts]
LET'S MEET KIM.
KIM.
>> HI. OH, MY GOODNESS.
>> HEY, WHAT'S UP?
>> HI.
>> HOW ARE YOU?
>> GOOD.
>> THIS IS OUR CREW.
EVERYONE SAY HI.
[laughs]
>> HI, COME ON IN.
>> MAX, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> I'M PRETTY PSYCHED.
I LIKE THE COLD, CRISP AIR.
>> DO YOU?
DID YOU SMELL THE...
>> I DID, WE DID.
>> GOOD.
>> IT'S--WE ROLLED THE WINDOWS
DOWN AND IT WAS LIKE, "OH,
YEAH."
>> AND BACK UP.
[laughter]
>> SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE
NOW ABOUT MATT, THIS ROMANCE.
LOVE AT FIRST TYPE, WOULD YOU
SAY?
>> I LIKE IT.
>> I JUST CAME UP WITH THAT.
THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
>> THAT WAS GOOD.
>> OKAY, SO, DAY ONE, YOU GUYS
ALREADY--YOU CONNECTED.
>> RIGHT.
>> YOU WANTED HIM AS YOUR
BOYFRIEND?
>> YES.
LIKE, WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER, I
REALLY--YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE,
"OH, THIS IS THE GUY I'M GONNA
MARRY."
>> I MEAN, THIS IS A GUY THAT
YOU REALLY LOVE.
>> YES.
WHENEVER HE, LIKE, CALLS OR
TEXTS, I'M ALWAYS LIKE, WHOO!
YOU KNOW, I DROP EVERYTHING I'M
DOING.
IT'S LIKE, AS SOON AS I ANSWER
THE PHONE OR IF I WERE TO EVER
MEET HIM IN PERSON, I WOULD
AUTOMATICALLY HAVE A SMILE,
'CAUSE I KNOW HE'S GONNA MAKE ME
LAUGH.
>> I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS
ABOUT THIS GUY THAT'S KEEPING
HIM FROM WANTING TO TAKE YOUR
VERY CLOSE FRIENDSHIP FROM
WHERE IT IS JUST TO THE NEXT
LEVEL.
>> I REMEMBER ON FACEBOOK, ONE
TIME, HE PUT ON HIS STATUS
"DOES ANYBODY WANNA SKYPE?
SEND ME YOUR INFO."
>> HMM.
>> SO I'M LIKE, "MATT, I WANNA
SKYPE WITH YOU."
HE'S LIKE, "UM, NO."
>> BUT HE NEVER GAVE YOU A
REASON.
>> NEVER.
>> HUH.
>> IT JUST MAKES ME VERY UPSET.
AND IT'S, LIKE, MY HOPES GET
LET DOWN EVERY TIME I GET
EXCITED ABOUT MATT.
>> YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN UP.
>> NO.
>> AMAZINGLY.
>> YES. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE.
YOU'RE GONNA HELP ME.
YOU GOT TO FIND THE ANSWER.
'CAUSE I CAN'T FIND THE ANSWER.
I DON'T KNOW.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS YOUR
FACEBOOK?
"MANAGER AT ICE CREAM CABOOSE."
>> MM-HMM.
>> "LIVES IN ALTO.
IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH SCOTT."
>> MM-HMM.
>> WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?
>> THAT IS MY CURRENT BOYFRIEND.
>> WHAT?
WHAT?
YOU'RE DATING SOMEONE RIGHT NOW?
>> WHAT? I MEAN...
>> YEP.
>> HOW DID YOU NOT MENTION THAT?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
YOU DIDN'T ASK, I GUESS.
>> IT'S A SERIOUS BOYFRIEND.
>> YEAH, MM-HMM.
>> DOES HE KNOW ABOUT MATT?
>> YES.
HE JUST WANTS ME TO BE HAPPY.
>> SO MEETING MATT, RIGHT NOW,
IS NOT ABOUT BEING IN A
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
>> BUT IT COULD BE.
IF I DON'T MEET MATT, I'LL NEVER
KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT I WANT.
>> SO, LIKE, THE MOMENT YOU MEET
MATT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE
FOREVER.
>> YES.
>> ALL RIGHT, SHOW ME MATT.
I'M GONNA SEARCH FOR HIM.
OKAY, THERE HE IS.
SO HERE ARE HIS PROFILE
PICTURES.
THE SEXY MATT LOWE.
"HE'S SEXY AND I KNOW IT"
PICTURES.
BUT THIS IS OLD.
>> YEAH, MM-HMM.
>> SO THIS IS THE MATT FROM HIGH
SCHOOL THAT YOU PROBABLY FIRST
MET.
>> STARTED TALKING TO HIM, YEAH.
>> SO THERE'S ALMOST NO PICTURES
OF HIM ON HERE.
>> MM-MM.
>> ALL RIGHT, HOW ABOUT THIS
PICTURE?
THIS IS HIGH SCHOOL, DO YOU
THINK?
SO HE'S ONLY, LIKE, 17 OR 18--
>> HE MIGHT BE 18 BY THEN.
>> YEAH, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY
RECENT.
>> RIGHT, NO KIDDING.
>> WHAT'S THE MYSTERY?
WHAT'S THIS GUY HIDING?
LET'S CALL HIM NOW AND JUST SEE
IF HE ANSWERS.
>> OKAY.
[line rings]
AM I TALKING OR ARE YOU?
>> HELLO.
>> NOTHING, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
>> NOT A BAD VISION I'M GETTING
HERE.
>> [laughs]
[laughs]
>> RIGHT, YEAH, CONSIDERING YOU
WILL NEVER LET ME COME SEE YOU.
>> UH-HUH.
>> LIKE, UH...
>> MM-HMM.
>> THAT'S OKAY, I WAS EXPECTING
IT.
>> [laughs]
[phone beeps]
>> I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE
OBVIOUSLY HAD THIS CONVERSATION
A MILLION TIMES.
>> ALL THE TIME.
>> "WHEN ARE WE GONNA MEET?"
>> RIGHT.
>> WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S KEEPING
HIM IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT
HE'S DEALING WITH THAT HE HASN'T
TOLD YOU ABOUT.
>> MM-HMM.
>> SO MAX AND I ARE GONNA GO.
WE'RE GONNA CHECK INTO THIS A
LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND WE'LL CHECK BACK IN WITH YOU
LATER WHEN WE HOPEFULLY KNOW
A LITTLE BIT MORE.
[car doors shut]
>> WELL, WE GOT A LOVE TRIANGLE
ON TOP OF THIS.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE
OF THIS GUY.
>> THEY SEEM SO CLOSE.
AND THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT SO MANY
DIFFERENT THINGS.
I JUST DON'T GET WHY HE'S SO
AFRAID OF ANY PHYSICAL
INTERACTION.
>> YEAH, MATT HAS A MYSTERIOUS
ISSUE.
>> both: ALL RIGHT.
>> LET THE RESEARCH BEGIN.
>> OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT
MATTHEW LOWE.
MATT HAS A LOT OF FRIENDS,
WHICH IS A GOOD SIGN THAT HE'S A
REAL PERSON.
I CAN'T LOOK AT HIS PHOTOS
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT FRIENDS.
OH, YES, I CAN.
COOL.
>> I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT PICTURE
BEFORE.
>> OH, THERE HE IS AGAIN.
>> FUNNY.
WE DIDN'T SEE THAT PHOTO WHEN
WE WERE GOING THROUGH HER PHOTOS
OF HIM.
ALL THE ONES WE SAW AT HER
HOUSE WERE ALL, LIKE, WHEN HE
WAS YOUNGER, WHEN HE WAS IN
COLLEGE.
HE'S HIDING IT FROM HER.
I MEAN...
>> WAIT...GO BACK TO THE
"FATHERHOOD" THING.
>> IT'S A JOKE.
>> AND WHO'S TAGGED AS
MATT LOWE?
>> IT'S A GOOF.
>> THE FATHER IS TAGGED AS
MATT LOWE AS OPPOSED TO THE
SON.
THAT'S INTERESTING.
>> YOU THINK SO?
YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S JUST A
TOTALLY RANDOM...
>> HE MIGHT HAVE A KID.
WHAT'S--WHY WOULD HE BLOCK THIS
PHOTO TOO?
>> RIGHT, YEAH.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE
DIDN'T SEE THESE PHOTOS WHEN WE
WERE LOOKING WITH...
>> DEFINITELY DIDN'T SEE THOSE
PHOTOS.
>> WITH KIM, SO HE MUST HAVE
SOME PRIVACY SETTING, RIGHT?
SHOULD WE DOWNLOAD THESE AND
THEN SHOW 'EM TO HER?
>> YEAH.
WE SHOULD JUST GOOGLE
MATT RUSSELL LOWE.
>> OH, HERE, CHECK IT OUT.
>> WHAT'S THIS ONE?
>> SOUNDCLICK ARTISTS,
ALL RIGHT.
THAT IS AN AMAZING PICTURE.
AND THIS MUST BE HIS MUSIC.
>> SHE DIDN'T TELL US ANYTHING
ABOUT THAT, DID SHE?
>> NOPE.
>> "SERVED COLD.
THIS IS ABOUT THE UGLY WHORE
YOU HEARD ABOUT.
I THINK THIS SONG IS MORE MATURE
AND TRULY SHOWS MY FEELINGS."
>> * I WANNA DEDICATE THIS...
[electronic music plays]
*
* TO MY FIRST GIRLFRIEND
>> I LIKE THE BEAT.
>> * ALL I WANNA SAY
* TO YOU IS...
*
*[bleep] YOU, [bleep] *
*YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVE *
* WHAT GOES AROUND
*GOES AROUND *
*SO GET SERVED... *
>> NOW MAYBE THIS IS WHY HE
DOESN'T SEND HER HIS MUSIC.
RAUNCHY.
ALL RIGHT, I CAN'T LISTEN TO
THIS ANYMORE.
THIS IS ALL REALLY AGGRESSIVE,
ANGRY, AND VERY DEROGATORY
LYRICS.
IT'S NOT A STRETCH TO SAY
THAT...KIM MIGHT NOT APPRECIATE
THIS MUSIC.
>> THAT YOU FOUND "AGGRESSIVE."
>> WELL, THAT ARE...
>> AND "DEROGATORY."
>> YEAH, YEAH.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO PUT
AIR QUOTES AROUND IT.
>> I'LL TAKE THEM OFF.
>> YEAH.
WHERE CAN WE GO FROM HERE?
>> OKCUPID, GO TO THAT.
>> LOWEDOGG.
>> YEAH, THAT'S HIM.
>> "IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN
CHATTING IT UP, JUST WRITE ME
AN EMAIL."
THAT'S A LITTLE WEIRD, RIGHT?
I MEAN, CONSIDERING THAT HE--
>> both: HE HAS SOMEONE.
>> THAT HE CAN TALK TO ALL THE
TIME.
MAYBE HE JUST DOESN'T LIKE HER
THAT WAY.
>> WELL, YEAH, OKAY.
BUT, AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN
WHY HE WOULD BE SO AGAINST
MEETING HER.
THERE'S A PERSONALITY TAB, AND
IT HAS, LIKE, A RATING SYSTEM.
IT HAS HIM VERY HIGH ON THE
ARROGANT RATING.
>> HE'S MORE--
>> MORE AGGRESSIVE.
>> OKAY, YOU WERE RIGHT.
HIS MUSIC'S AGGRESSIVE.
>> VERY.
>> HE'S MORE AGGRESSIVE.
>> ANGRY.
>> WELL, HE'S DEFINITELY
CONTROLLING AND MANIPULATING
HER IMAGE OF HIM.
>> AND THE ONE THING I ASKED HER
WAS, LIKE, "DO YOU THINK HE'S
HONEST AND OPEN WITH YOU?"
AND SHE'S LIKE, "I THINK SO."
WE GOT A LOT OF NEW STUFF TO
SHOW KIM.
I MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO GET
HER TAKE ON THIS STUFF.
THERE'S A LOT.
>> RIGHT.
THERE'S PLENTY OF THINGS IN HIS
LIFE THAT HE IS HIDING FROM HER.
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE'S
HIDING THEM FROM HER.
>> YEAH, BUT WHAT'S HE GETTING
OUT OF IT?
HE'S--HE'S--
>> I DON'T KNOW.
>> SO MAX AND I SPENT A COUPLE
HOURS ONLINE LAST NIGHT.
THERE WERE PICTURES THAT WE
COULD SEE ON HIS PROFILE THAT
WE DIDN'T SEE WHEN WE WERE
LOOKING WITH YOU.
>> HMM.
>> HAD YOU SEEN THIS PICTURE?
>> IT WASN'T ON MY FACEBOOK.
>> RIGHT, SO THERE'S THIS ONE.
AND THEN THIS ONE, WHICH WE
THOUGHT WAS PRETTY CUTE.
>> YOU KNOW WHY HE MIGHT WANT TO
KEEP THIS PHOTO FROM YOU?
IF YOU HAD TO GUESS?
>> NO.
>> MAX WAS SAYING MAYBE HE HAS A
KID THAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
BUT YOU KNOW NOTHING--HE'S NEVER
SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?
>> NO, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A
SECRET, MM-HMM.
>> SURPRISE.
>> THE OTHER THING THAT WE FOUND
IS MUSIC.
>> OH, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT
PICTURE BEFORE.
>> AND THERE'S A FUNNY PHOTO
THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY NEVER SEEN.
>> NO, MM-MMM.
>> AND THEN A LOT OF MUSIC.
19 SONGS THAT HE RECORDED.
>> UGLY WHORE?
>> YEAH.
PRETTY--PRETTY GRAPHIC TITLE.
[electronic music plays]
>> * OPEN UP
* YOUR [bleep] EARS
* [bleep]...
IS MY MOTHER IN THE ROOM?
>> 'CAUSE SHE DOESN'T LIKE THE
"F" WORD.
>> * [bleep] SLUT
*SHE DESERVES MY [bleep] *
* DESERVES [bleep]
* IN HER MOUTH...
>> MUSIC THAT YOU LIKE?
>> NO, MM-MMM.
>> RIGHT, AND DO YOU WANT ME TO
STOP IT?
>> SURE.
>> OKAY, IS THIS IN LINE WITH
HIS PERSONALITY, THIS VERY
AGGRESSIVE, VULGAR--
>> YEAH, BUT USUALLY IT'S REALLY
FUNNY.
>> RIGHT, USUALLY HE SEEMS TO BE
JOKING.
>> RIGHT.
>> IF HE USES THAT KIND OF
LANGUAGE.
THE LAST THING THAT WE FOUND--
THIS IS OKCUPID.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS?
>> MM-MMM.
>> IT'S A DATING WEBSITE.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS HIM.
"WHY AM I ON HERE?
JUST LOOKING TO TALK TO SOMEONE
COOL AND HAVEN'T FOUND ONE
YET."
>> SO HE'S LOOKING FOR A FRIEND,
SOMEBODY TO CHAT WITH, BUT...
>> HE'S GOT AS GOOD A FRIEND AS
YOU COULD HOPE FOR.
>> RIGHT.
>> SO THEN I THINK, LIKE, WELL,
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT HE HAS OTHER
PEOPLE IN HIS LIFE, OTHER KIMS
AROUND THE COUNTRY WHO HE TALKS
TO ALL THE TIME AND HAS FOR
YEARS?
>> I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
'CAUSE THAT'S ME.
I ALREADY FILLED THE POSITION.
>> RIGHT, EVEN JUST FROM WHAT
WE'VE GONE OVER HERE, LIKE,
THERE'S A LOT HE HASN'T TOLD
YOU.
>> RIGHT.
WELL, OKAY, LET'S START FRESH.
UM, COUPLE YEARS AGO, I LIVED
WITH MY EX-BOYFRIEND.
>> OH.
>> AND WE KIND OF SLOWED DOWN ON
TALKING, BECAUSE MATT OBVIOUSLY
DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO ME,
'CAUSE I LIVED WITH STEVE.
>> RIGHT.
YOU GUYS MET IN SCHOOL OR...?
>> SCHOOL, 7TH GRADE.
>> SO HE WAS YOUR HIGH SCHOOL
SWEETHEART.
>> YES.
>> SO FROM THE TIME THAT YOU'VE
BEEN TALKING TO MATT, TOO, YOU
WERE DATING STEVEN?
>> YES.
>> HUH.
>> HE ACTUALLY PASSED AWAY.
THAT'S WHY.
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> UM, STEVE AND I WERE TOGETHER
FOR ALMOST SEVEN YEARS.
I GOT A HOUSE FOR US, AND I WAS
WORKING MY ASS OFF.
I HAD A FULL-TIME JOB, I DID
HAIR ON THE SIDE.
AND I GOT REAL SICK OF THAT
REAL QUICK.
BECAUSE HE WOULD GO MAKE MONEY
AND I WOULD NEVER SEE IT.
SO I'D NEVER SEE ANY MONEY.
HE'D NEVER HELP ME WITH THE
BILLS.
>> BUT WHERE WAS THE MONEY
GOING?
>> UM, DRUGS.
HE DIDN'T WANT TO GROW UP.
AND I WAS MOVING UP AND HE WAS
STAYING THE SAME.
>> SO YOU CALLED IT--YOU THREW
IN THE TOWEL AND SAID, "I CAN'T
DO THIS ANYMORE."
>> YEP.
THEN, UM, ON...
MAY 5TH, ABOUT 6:23 P.M.,
HE CALLS ME, AND HE IS SLURRING
HIS WORDS, HE'S A MESS.
HE'S LIKE, "I NEED TO GET YOU
BACK.
I HAVE THIS ALL PLANNED OUT."
AND I'M LIKE, "YOU'RE TOO
LATE, YOU'RE TOO LATE."
AND, UM...SO HE TOLD ME, HE'S
LIKE, "JUST--JUST DON'T HANG UP
ON ME, DON'T GIVE UP ON ME."
AND I'M LIKE, "I ALREADY GAVE
UP."
AND HE'S LIKE, "IF YOU HANG UP
ON ME, I'LL TAKE MY OWN LIFE."
AND I'M LIKE, "I HAVE TO GO."
HE'S LIKE, "I LOVE YOU."
AND I SAID, "GOOD-BYE."
AND THEN HE WAS PRONOUNCED DEAD
AT 7:00.
AND THAT WAS THE LAST PHONE CALL
HE MADE.
HE HUNG HIMSELF IN A BOATHOUSE
UP NORTH.
AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S ALL MY
FAULT.
[sniffles]
I LOST TWO YEARS OF MY LIFE.
I DIDN'T MOVE.
GAINED 125 POUNDS...
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> IN, LIKE, A YEAR.
[sighs]
>> WELL, YOU'VE COME A LONG WAY.
>> YEAH, I THINK SO.
>> AND BEEN THROUGH A LOT.
>> BEEN THROUGH A LOT.
AND FROM GOING AND DOING
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR ALMOST
TWO YEARS STRAIGHT, I'M BACK
TO BEING ME.
>> AND DID YOU TALK TO MATT
AT ALL ABOUT THIS DURING THOSE
TWO YEARS?
>> OH, YEAH, ALL THE TIME.
HE WAS 100% THERE FOR ME...
LISTENED TO ME JUST TALK ABOUT
NOTHING FOR HOURS.
>> SO, IN A BIG WAY, MATT WAS...
>> A HUGE...
>> A HUGE PART OF YOUR RECOVERY.
>> YEP.
>> IT'S NOT EASY TO BE A FRIEND
FOR SOMEONE GOING THROUGH
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND MATT STUCK IT OUT WITH YOU,
AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY
AMAZING.
>> I REALLY DO WANT TO MEET
MATT.
>> YOU GOT TO ANSWER THAT
QUESTION AND MOVE ON FROM THAT
PART OF YOUR LIFE.
>> RIGHT AND THEN START A NEW
DECISION FROM THERE.
>> MEETING MATT IS THE LAST
PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.
>> IT IS.
>> SO LET'S HOPE, FROM HERE ON
OUT, ONLY GOOD THINGS.
>> RIGHT, NO KIDDING.
>> YOU DESERVE IT.
>> GETTING HIS NUMBER?
>> YEAH.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT I'M
GONNA SAY TO THIS GUY.
HE HAS NO IDEA WHO I AM.
I'M KIND OF BUTTING IN A LITTLE
BIT.
HE'S BEEN TELLING HIS FRIEND OF
TEN YEARS THAT HE DOESN'T WANT
TO MEET HER.
>> HE'S GOT SOMETHING TO HIDE.
HE'S OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE
INSECURE.
>> IN SOME WAYS, THIS IS THE
HARDEST PART FOR ME.
I WANT TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR
HER, AND I THINK WHAT'S BEST FOR
HER IS TO HAVE THEM MEET.
BUT MATT MAY NOT FEEL THAT WAY.
>> THIS IS THE HARDEST
NEGOTIATION.
>> RIGHT.
[cell phone dials]
HERE GOES--HERE GOES NOTHING.
>> HELLO?
>> HELLO, MATT?
>> YEAH?
>> HEY, THIS IS NEV.
I'M CALLING FROM MICHIGAN, UM...
>> UH-HUH.
>> I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THE PAST
COUPLE DAYS, UH, WITH MY FRIEND
MAX AND A CREW FROM MTV, TALKING
TO KIM ABOUT YOU AND HER AND
YOUR FRIENDSHIP, UH, FROM THE
LAST TEN YEARS.
>> [laughs nervously]
>> YEAH, AND SHE THOUGHT MAYBE I
COULD HELP HER OUT IN, UM,
POTENTIALLY FACILITATING YOU
GUYS MEETING UP SOMETIME.
>> [laughs nervously]
>> WHAT--HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT
KIM?
LIKE, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
HER?
>> WHAT'S BEEN HOLDING YOU BACK?
WHAT'S BEEN KEEPING YOU
FROM--FROM MEETING UP WITH HER?
>> RIGHT.
>> I KNOW YOU KNOW KIM'S BEEN
DATING THIS GUY SCOTT FOR THE
PAST, LIKE, SIX MONTHS.
>> YEAH.
>> THIS IS--THIS IS YOUR LAST
CHANCE, BECAUSE SHE FEELS THAT,
YOU KNOW, SHE MIGHT BE GETTING
REALLY SERIOUS WITH SCOTT.
SHE MIGHT BE READY TO SORT OF,
YOU KNOW, TAKE THE NEXT STEP
WITH HIM.
AND THE THING THAT'S HOLDING HER
BACK, THE ONE THING THAT'S
KEEPING HER FROM, LIKE,
SERIOUSLY COMMITTING TO SCOTT
IS YOU.
>> YEAH.
>> SO I JUST THINK YOU SHOULD
REALLY THINK LONG AND HARD, UM,
ABOUT TAKING AN OPPORTUNITY
RIGHT NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
>> [sighs]
>> I MEAN, IT SOUNDS TO ME
LIKE--LIKE I THINK YOU KNOW
WHAT--WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
UM...
>> YEAH.
[sighs]
UM...
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> IT'S GOOD THOUGH.
CRAZY'S GOOD.
>> I DON'T KNOW.
[laughs]
>> YEAH, MAN, LOOK, WE'LL BE IN
TOUCH, AND I'LL SPEAK TO YOU
SOON.
>> BYE.
PHEW, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE SAID
YES.
>> YEAH.
>> SOUNDED TO ME LIKE HE HAD
SOMETHING ELSE HE NEEDED TO TELL
HER.
>> THERE MIGHT BE A LOT MORE
THAN HE WOULD SHARE--SAYING ON
THE PHONE.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO.
>> HERE IT IS, RIGHT?
IS THIS IT?
>> YEAH, THIS IS IT.
>> HEY.
>> OH, HI.
>> THIS PLACE IS GREAT.
ANYWAY...
>> YES.
>> I SPOKE TO MATT.
>> MM-HMM?
>> BASICALLY, I GOT HIM TO AGREE
THAT, IF WE COME, HE WILL MEET
YOU.
SO THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING.
>> YES, THAT'S--OH, GOSH.
[laughs]
>> THIS IS IT, THIS IS BIG.
>> IT IS BIG.
>> I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO
EXCITED BECAUSE THERE'S STILL A
BIG UNKNOWN.
>> I'M JUST OVERWHELMED.
I'M OVERWHELMED, BECAUSE I NEVER
REALLY THOUGHT, IN TEN WHOLE
YEARS, OR A MILLION MORE, THAT
THAT WOULD EVER BE EVEN A
POSSIBILITY.
OH, MY GOSH.
>> I KNOW.
>> I'M SO EXCITED.
>> OKAY.
[laughs]
[doorbell rings]
>> KIM.
YOUR LIMOUSINE AWAITS.
[upbeat rock music]
*
>> MICHIGAN.
ALTO'S NOT ON THE MAP.
>> *I'VE BEEN TRYIN' *
* TO FIND YOU
* AND GO SWIMMING
* IN THE SEA...
>> OH!
>> SO IS THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF
YOUR NECK STANDING UP?
I MEAN, YOU'RE--YOU'RE WITHIN
MILES OF THIS GUY RIGHT NOW.
>> IT'S NOT STANDING UP, BUT...
>> LET'S GO THIS WAY.
OKAY.
>> I'M READY.
>> DON'T FORGET--HERE WE GO.
OKAY.
>> I HAVE A FEELING WE'RE
GETTING REALLY CLOSE, BECAUSE
NOW I'M GETTING SCARED.
>> MY HEART'S STARTING TO, UH...
>> IS IT?
>> TO BEAT A LITTLE FASTER,
YEAH.
AND THIS IS TEN YEARS?
>> TEN YEARS.
BUT I'M READY.
I'M SO READY.
>> ALL RIGHT, READY?
[car door opens]
>> YEP.
[labored breathing]
>> I DON'T KNOW.
WHICH IS HIS APARTMENT?
GOOD?
>> I'M GOOD.
I HEAR A DOOR.
[door shuts]
>> HELLO.
[gentle piano music]
**
HELLO.
>> HI.
>> OH, MAN.
>> SO DO YOU.
>> [laughs nervously]
ARE YOU SCARED?
>> NO.
>> YEAH, YOU ARE.
>> I'M NOT NERVOUS AT ALL.
[laughs nervously]
SO, HI, NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> HEY, MATT.
>> YEAH, GOOD TO MEET YOU, MAN.
THANKS, THANKS FOR MEETING UP
WITH US.
>> YEAH.
YOU GUYS CAN COME IN.
>> [whispers] OH, I'M SORRY.
>> WHEW!
>> THIS IS INTENSE.
>> YEAH.
I'M NOT GONNA LIE, IT'S KIND
OF WEIRD.
[laughter]
BUT I'M PRETTY HAPPY, YOU KNOW.
WE'VE JUST BEEN HEARING EACH
OTHER'S VOICES THIS LONG.
>> YEAH.
>> AND NOW WE SEE EACH OTHER.
SO, YOU ARE VERY PRETTY.
[laughter]
>> THANK YOU.
>> YEAH, SO, UM...
AS YOU CAN TELL, PRETTY BIG GUY.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A BIG
REASON WHY I'VE BEEN NERVOUS TO
MEET WITH YOU.
UH...I DON'T HAVE ANY BIG, CRAZY
SECRETS OR ANYTHING.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN THAT I
KNOW OF, UM...
[laughter]
IT'S BEEN HARD TO WANT TO MEET
YOU.
I'VE BEEN WANTING TO MEET YOU
FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND IT'S JUST IT'S HELD ME BACK.
>> I DIDN'T THINK YOU HAD
ANYTHING TO HIDE, BUT, I MEAN...
>> I DIDN'T REALLY EXPLAIN IT.
>> RIGHT, YOU NEVER DID EXPLAIN
LIKE...
>> AT MY HIGHEST POINT OF
WEIGHT, I HAD REACHED 619
POUNDS.
[laughter]
>> I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.
[piano music continues]
*
>> I WAS SO BIG THAT I ALMOST,
LIKE, LITERALLY COULDN'T LIVE
LIFE EVERY DAY.
LIKE, I WOULD--I COULDN'T SLEEP.
I COULD BARELY SHOWER.
COULD BARELY PUT MY SHOES ON.
DIDN'T HAVE, LIKE, ANY CLOTHES
TO WEAR.
LIKE, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE A
PERSON.
BUT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT.
AND I'VE LOST OVER 65 POUNDS.
EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT WHERE I
WANT TO BE, DID NOT WANT TO MEET
YOU LIKE THIS...
[laughs nervously]
I AM STILL HAPPY ABOUT IT,
BECAUSE I AM SO MUCH BETTER OFF
THAN WHAT I WAS.
AND NOW I'M LIVING MY LIFE THAT
I WANT TO LIVE, AND I'M FIXING
MY PROBLEMS.
AND ONE OF THOSE PROBLEMS IS
FINALLY MEETING YOU.
SO I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE'RE
DOING THIS.
>> AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU FIGURED
OUT SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY
WANT TO DO, AND YOU'RE STICKING
TO IT, AND IT DOES MAKE YOU
HAPPY.
AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME HAPPY.
>> HE'S OBVIOUSLY STRUGGLING
WITH HIS WEIGHT, BUT--
>> THAT WAS IT.
>> YEAH, I MEAN--
AND I UNDERSTAND.
>> both: IT WAS JUST--
>> HIS HEALTH WAS POOR.
>> YEAH.
>> AND HE WAS...
>> HE'S ASHAMED.
>> HE WAS ASHAMED OF HIS WEIGHT.
>> I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY
THOUGHT, LIKE, WE WERE JUST
NEVER GOING TO MEET, AND--AND--
>> I DID THINK THAT.
>> YEAH.
[laughs nervously]
>> THE MAIN REASON WHY IT WAS,
LIKE, BASICALLY, NOW OR NEVER...
>> YEAH?
>> TO MEET YOU, IS BECAUSE...
I AM IN A SERIOUS RELATIONSHIP.
AND I JUST NEEDED TO MEET YOU
BEFORE...SCOTT AND I TOOK, LIKE,
THE NEXT STEP.
>> WHICH WOULD BE WHAT?
MARRIAGE?
[laughter]
>> NOT THAT FUNNY, BUT YEAH.
>> YEAH.
>> SO I JUST HAD TO MAKE SURE I
WASN'T MISSING ANYTHING.
AND IF I DIDN'T COME HERE TO SEE
YOU, I WOULD BE.
AND IT'S HARD TO PUT YOU IN A
PLAN WHEN I'VE NEVER MET YOU.
>> YEAH, I GET THAT.
>> WHAT'S IN YOUR GUT?
WHEN YOU LISTEN TO YOUR HEART,
WHAT DOES IT SAY?
>> I JUST DON'T KNOW.
>> YOU LOVED STEVE.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THAT
FOR MATT OR SCOTT?
>> NOW THAT THE DUST HAS
SETTLED, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO
DECIDE.
>> RIGHT.
>> WHAT'S IN YOUR GUT?
WHAT'S--YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CLOSE
YOUR EYES AND YOU LISTEN TO YOUR
HEART, WHAT DOES IT SAY?
>> WELL, I JUST DON'T KNOW,
BECAUSE I'M--THERE'S A LOT--
THERE'S A TON RIDING ON IT.
>> YOU DON'T THINK YOU FIGURED
IT OUT?
>> NO.
>> REALLY?
>> REALLY.
>> SO THERE'S STILL A PART OF
YOU THAT HASN'T FIGURED OUT FOR
SURE IF YOU THINK YOU WANT TO BE
WITH...MATT OR YOU DON'T?
>> RIGHT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO BE FAIR TO
BOTH OF THEM, AND, LIKE, WHAT
I WANT THE MOST.
>> YOU'VE KNOWN LOVE.
YOU KNOW, YOU...
>> YEAH.
>> YOU LOVED STEVE.
>> YEAH.
>> AND, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, LOVE
WITH EVERY PERSON IS A LITTLE
DIFFERENT, BUT THE STRENGTH OF
THE FEELING IS ALWAYS THE SAME.
AND DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE
THAT FOR MATT OR SCOTT?
>> MM, NO.
[gentle guitar music]
**
THERE'S NO COMPARISON AT ALL
TO THAT FEELING.
NONE.
AT ALL.
[sniffles]
BECAUSE IF I TRY TO COMPARE
THEM, I'LL NEVER FIND ANYBODY
THAT WILL MEET UP TO THAT, I
FEEL.
SO I DON'T KNOW.
I TRY NOT TO THINK LIKE THAT,
BECAUSE THEN NOBODY WILL EVER
COME CLOSE, AND IT'S NOT--
IT'S NOT RIGHT.
>> I JUST WANT TO SEE YOU HAPPY.
>> ME TOO.
>> I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU
COMPROMISE YOUR FEELINGS.
>> RIGHT.
>> SO IF THESE GUYS AREN'T RIGHT
FOR YOU...
>> DON'T SETTLE.
>> DON'T SETTLE.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT NOW WE'RE HERE.
WE'RE AT MATT'S HOUSE.
FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS...THERE'S
BEEN SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS
NEEDED TO DO TO MOVE ON.
>> RIGHT.
>> AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING
TODAY...MOVING ON.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
[gentle pop music]
>> [grunts]
>> ME FIRST?
>> SURE.
>> OKAY.
>> *LAST NIGHT I DREAMED *
* WE FOUND A STAND OF TREES...
>> HELLO.
>> HEY, WHAT'S UP, MAN?
>> HI.
>> NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> NICE TO SEE YOU.
>> HI.
>> HELLO.
>> THAT'S MY SISTER.
>> NEV.
>> THAT'S MY MOTHER.
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> HI. JOY.
>> JOY, NEV.
HERE, I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN
WAITING TO MEET, IS KIM.
>> HELLO.
>> KIM.
>> both: FINALLY.
[laughter]
>> HI.
>> I LIKE YOUR HAIR.
>> OH, THANK YOU.
>> HEY.
>> HI, HOW YOU DOING?
>> GOOD.
YOU'RE SO PRETTY.
>> OH, JUST, THANKS.
[laughter]
DID YOU EVER THINK THIS WAS
GOING TO HAPPEN EVER?
>> NO.
>> NO, NEVER.
>> NO.
>> I REALLY DIDN'T EITHER.
>> KIM, I'D LIKE YOU TO FINALLY
MEET MY OTHER HALF, MY LITTLE
FAT PUPPY.
>> WELL, HE SEEMS TO LIKE KIM.
[laughter]
>> OBVIOUSLY.
>> * THE LOGS WE PEELED
* AND STACKED IN A RING
*AND THEN WE CROWNED IT *
* OUR TINY HOUSE
* WITH TIN
*AND BY THE FIRE *
*FLICKERING BRONZE AND GOLD *
*ACROSS YOUR FACE *
**
>> HE'S--HE'S A REALLY
GOOD-HEARTED KID.
AND OBVIOUSLY, HE'S, YOU KNOW--
HE'S FELT A LOT OF CONNECTION
TOWARDS YOU SINCE YOU GUYS WERE
14 YEARS OLD.
>> MM-HMM.
>> OH, MY GOD.
THAT'S A LONG TIME.
>> HE WOULD NEVER MEET ME.
>> YEAH.
>> EVER.
I TRIED FOR A LONG TIME, BUT
NEVER.
>> HE WAS SCARED TO MEET YOU,
THAT YOU WOULD GET DISAPPOINTED.
>> YOU'VE TAKEN A HUGE STEP IN
MEETING KIM.
YOU SAID THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE THE
MOST SCARED OF IN YOUR ENTIRE
LIFE.
>> YEAH.
>> I MEAN, IT'S GOT TO FEEL GOOD
THAT YOU DID IT.
>> OH, YEAH.
>> AND THAT MAYBE NOW YOU CAN DO
OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WERE
AFRAID OF TOO.
>> THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE
THING'S ABOUT, IS I'VE BEEN
DOING NOTHING BUT WAITING: WITH
KIM, WITH MY WEIGHT.
AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANOTHER
11 YEARS, ANOTHER 20 YEARS.
IT'S JUST NOT.
I'VE JUST TAKEN LIFE, YOU KNOW,
AND...
[stammers] I'M LIVING IT.
THERE IS NO UNMOTIVATED MATT
ANYMORE.
[laughs nervously]
WHEN I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, I
WANT TO BE AWAKE BECAUSE, I
MEAN, THERE WERE TIMES WHEN I
LITERALLY ALMOST KILLED MYSELF.
AND IT'S TOUGH TO--TO BE SO BIG,
THAT WHEN YOU KILL YOURSELF, YOU
HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE,
HOW TO DO IT SO PEOPLE DON'T
FIND YOUR BODY.
BECAUSE EVEN WHEN YOU DIE,
YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE
EMBARRASSED OF WHO YOU ARE.
[crying]
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M SO HAPPY EVERY
DAY WHEN I WAKE UP NOW, BECAUSE
I'M DOING SO MUCH BETTER FOR
MYSELF.
IT JUST FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I
WENT TO THE BOTTOM PART OF WHO I
WAS, AND I WILL NEVER GO BACK
THERE EVER AGAIN.
SO...
IT'S JUST UP FROM HERE.
[laughs]
>> IT'S ALL RIGHT, BUDDY.
I THINK THAT'S AWESOME.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I'M REALLY EXCITED FOR YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT.
>> THANKS.
>> WHATEVER YOU'RE FEELING,
DON'T HOLD BACK.
DON'T THINK, "I DON'T WANT TO
HURT HIM."
BECAUSE HE'D RATHER HAVE YOU
UP FRONT, SAYING, "HEY, LOOK,
MATT, I--YOU KNOW, LET'S
JUST BE FRIENDS."
>> RIGHT.
>> YOU KNOW, HE'LL TAKE THAT.
>> RIGHT.
>> YOU KNOW, JUST BE HONEST WITH
HIM.
>> OH, I WILL.
>> WHATEVER YOU FEEL, YOU KNOW,
WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR BAD.
>> MM-HMM.
>> HE CAN TAKE IT.
>> AND NOW MORE
CATFISH: THE TV SHOW.
STICK AROUND.
>> SO THIS IS OUR LAST DAY
TOGETHER.
I MEAN, I TOLD YOU A LOT OF
STUFF YESTERDAY, AND I DIDN'T
REALLY GET A CHANCE TO TELL YOU
MORE ABOUT, LIKE, WHAT THE WHOLE
SITUATION IS BETWEEN ME AND YOU.
AND, LIKE, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT
THE DECISION THAT YOU HAVE.
AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO LEAVE
HERE TODAY CONFUSED ABOUT HOW I
FEEL ABOUT YOU.
SO I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT
I AM IN LOVE WITH YOU.
AND MEETING YOU DIDN'T CHANGE
IT.
IF IT DID, IT MADE ME LOVE YOU
MORE.
I ALWAYS WANT YOU IN MY LIFE.
AND YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE
SPECIAL TO ME.
AND I FEEL LIKE THE WOMAN THAT
I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR MY ENTIRE
LIFE IS YOU.
AND SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW, WHEN
YOU GO BACK, THAT I REALLY DO
CARE FOR YOU.
AND I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER ME.
YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE IN A
RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU.
>> UM...
>> IT'S ALL RIGHT.
>> [sniffles]
>> I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT I
WANT.
AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW I STILL
HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME WITH
STEVEN.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW, THE THING.
>> YES.
>> AFTER HE DIED, I OBVIOUSLY
DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR A LONG
TIME.
AND I DON'T TRY, BUT I ALWAYS AM
TRYING TO FIND WHAT I FELT WITH
STEVEN, AND I KNOW I'LL NEVER
FIND IT.
AND I DON'T WANT TO COMPARE YOU
TO STEVE, AND I DON'T WANT TO
COMPARE SCOTT TO STEVE, 'CAUSE
THAT'S NOT FAIR TO ANYBODY
EITHER.
SO, LEAVING HERE, I THINK I'M
JUST GOING TO DO ME FOR A WHILE.
SAY GOODBYE TO SCOTT.
AND ME AND YOU ARE GOING TO STAY
FRIENDS LIKE WE ALWAYS HAVE
BEEN.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND...
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT I'M SAYING WITH THAT?
>> YEAH.
[gentle pop music]
**
>> [sighs]
>> WELL...I GUESS, JUST ONE MORE
TIME BEFORE YOU GO, JUST DON'T
FORGET THE THINGS THAT I'VE TOLD
YOU, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I
LOVE YOU.
>> *OH, MY LOVE, YOU... *
>> TO BE CONTINUED?
>> TO BE CONTINUED.
I'M SURE I'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> * HOW MUCH LONGER
* UNTIL, WELL, DEAR,
* BUT WAIT
* THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE *
*I'D LIKE TO SAY *
*
>> WHAT'S UP, MATT?
>> WHAT'S UP, MAN?
>> HEY, DUDE.
>> LOOK AT THAT MOHAWK.
>> YEAH.
NICE JOB WITH THE MOHAWK.
>> THANK YOU.
BEEN WORKING HARD ON IT.
I'VE BEEN LOSING, ON AVERAGE, AT
LEAST FOUR TO FIVE POUNDS A
WEEK.
I DON'T STOP, MAN.
I'M LOSING WEIGHT RIGHT NOW AS
WE SPEAK.
>> THAT'S AWESOME, MAN.
>> THAT'S GREAT, DUDE.
>> HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON, KIM?
HOW IS EVERYTHING?
>> EVERYTHING'S GOOD.
>> CAN YOU SEE WE GOT MATT HERE?
>> YEAH.
>> both: HELLO.
>> REMEMBER THAT GUY?
>> [laughs]
>> I DO REMEMBER.
I STILL TALK TO HIM EVERY SINGLE
DAY, JUST LIKE BEFORE.
>> WE ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT SEEING
EACH OTHER AGAIN.
OUR RELATIONSHIP IS STRONGER
THAN EVER, YOU KNOW.
>> THAT'S A VERY, VERY WONDERFUL
THING.
I JUST CELEBRATED STEVE'S THIRD
YEAR OF BEING GONE.
IT WAS A REALLY NICE EVENING.
IT WASN'T FULL OF TEARS AND
SORROW.
I THINK TIME HEALS EVERYTHING.
AND I THINK IT'S--I THINK IT'S
FINALLY HAPPENING.
>> THAT'S GREAT.
THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.
>> YEAH.
IT'S AWESOME TO TALK TO YOU
GUYS.
IT'S AWESOME TO SEE YOU BOTH
DOING SO WELL.
>> DEFINITELY.
>> COOL, ALL RIGHT, GROUP WAVE.
>> SEE YOU GUYS.
>> ALL RIGHT, BYE, GUYS.
>> both: BYE.
>> BYE.
>> I THINK HE WILL BE THE
PERFECT ONE THAT WILL SHOW ME
WHAT A REAL MAN IS LIKE.
>> SHE WAS ACTUALLY CONCERNED
THAT HE WAS STILL ENGAGED.
>> HE IS ENGAGED, AND HE HAS TWO
KIDS.
>> WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING YET.
THAT'S SOME WEIRD STUFF.
>> OKAY.
I'M REALLY NERVOUS, GUYS.
>> WHERE IS THIS GUY?
WHAT'S TAKING HIM SO LONG?
>> I KNOW, RIGHT?
>> LOOK AT THIS.
>> [whispers] OH, MY GOSH.
1430
00:41:08.
WHICH IS HIS APARTMENT?
LET'S--LET'S GET READY FOR HIM.
>> I DON'T EITHER.
>> GOOD?
>> I'M GOOD.
>> YOU GOT IT?
>> I HEAR A DOOR.
>> OOH.
HI, I'M NEV.
A COUPLE YEARS AGO,
I FELL IN LOVE ONLINE.
TURNS OUT MY CRUSH WASN'T WHO I
THOUGHT SHE WAS.
I THOUGHT I FELL IN LOVE WITH
MEGAN, BUT MEGAN WAS REALLY
ANGELA.
I WAS HEARTBROKEN.
BUT THE WEIRDEST PART OF IT ALL,
ANGELA AND I ACTUALLY BECAME
FRIENDS.
NOT ONLY THAT, MY BROTHER AND
HIS FILMMAKING PARTNER SHOT THE
WHOLE THING.
AND TURNED IT INTO A DOCUMENTARY
THAT WAS A PRETTY BIG HIT.
SUDDENLY MY INBOX WAS EXPLODING
WITH EMAILS.
"WHEN I SAW YOUR MOVIE CATFISH,
I COULDN'T BELIEVE THE
SIMILARITIES."
IT FELT LIKE EVERYONE ON THE
INTERNET WANTED TO TELL ME
ABOUT THEIR BIZARRE ONLINE
ROMANCE.
I SHOULD JUST PURSUE EVERY
SINGLE ONE OF THESE LEADS,
AND WE SHOULD MAKE A SHOW OF IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO.
I'M HITTING THE ROAD WITH MY
FILMMAKER BUDDY MAX AND A CREW
FROM MTV, TO HELP PEOPLE MEET
THEIR ONLINE LOVES FOR THE FIRST
TIME.
OKAY, I THINK THIS IS IT.
IT'S GO TIME RIGHT NOW.
>> GO TIME.
>> ALL RIGHT.
IS THE PERSON THEY'VE FALLEN
FOR TELLING THE TRUTH?
>> MAYBE SHE'S LIKE SOME SUPER
SEXY FARMER'S DAUGHTER.
>> OR HIDING BEHIND LIES?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF I JUST WANT
TO GO CRY.
>> WILL THEY FIND LOVE...
>> GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS.
>> OR HEARTACHE?
DEFINITELY DID NOT SEE THIS
COMING.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY
RIGHT NOW.
>> NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS,
WE'RE HERE TO HELP SOLVE THE
MYSTERY.
>> I CANNOT BELIEVE IT'S YOU.
>> HOPEFULLY FIND THE LIGHT AT
THE END OF THE TUNNEL, IF IT'S,
YOU KNOW, HAPPY OR NOT.
>> WHAT ARE YOU BLATHERING
ABOUT?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
CATFISH THE MOVIE WAS MY STORY.
CATFISH: THE TV SHOW IS YOURS.
MAX?
>> YEAH, I'M GOOD.
>> YOU DEFINITELY RECORDING?
>> YEAH, IT'S RECORDING.
RED BUTTON'S ON.
>> OKAY, EXCELLENT.
I'M GONNA DIVE INTO MY CATFISH
EMAIL HERE AND SEE--SEE WHAT'S
COME IN IN THE LAST COUPLE
HOURS.
HERE'S A NEW ONE.
"SUBJECT: CAN YOU PLEASE HELP!
DEAR NEV, MY NAME IS KIM.
I'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO A YOUNG
MAN NAMED MATT FOR TEN YEARS."
>> THAT'S A LONG TIME.
>> "WHEN I WAS 15, I STARTED
USING A CHAT ROOM THROUGH AOL
AND RANDOMLY STARTED CHATTING
WITH HIM.
FROM TALKING ONLINE, IT SOON
PROGRESSED TO LONG-DISTANCE
PHONE CALLS.
WE'D ALWAYS DISCUSSED MEETING,
BUT HE WOULD ALWAYS FIND AN
EXCUSE NOT TO.
I FEEL LIKE MATT COULD BE MY
SOUL MATE.
I NEED TO MEET MATT, BECAUSE,
BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, THIS LITTLE
THING CALLED 'LIFE' JUST GETS
AWAY FROM YOU.
PLEASE, NEV, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH
THIS, AND MAYBE YOU CAN TALK HIM
INTO MEETING ME."
>> YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THE
RABBIT HOLE ON THIS ONE?
>> [laughs] YEAH, DEFINITELY.
TEN YEARS OF VERY CLOSE
FRIENDSHIP.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO WHAT WE CAN
TO HELP THIS GIRL.
[computer tone]
OH, HERE'S KIM.
>> HELLO.
>> both: HEY, KIM.
>> WOW, HI.
>> WHERE ARE YOU?
>> MICHIGAN.
IT'S A SMALL TOWN CALLED ALTO.
>> TELL ME ABOUT THIS GUY MATT.
>> I'D REALLY, REALLY LIKE TO
MEET HIM, BUT, FOR SOME REASON,
HE DOESN'T WANT TO MEET ME.
AND I'VE NEVER SKYPED WITH HIM.
I'VE NEVER--HE WON'T.
HE REFUSES.
>> HMM.
>> I MEAN, IT'S BEEN OVER TEN
YEARS.
>> THAT'S A LONG, LONG TIME.
>> YEAH, THAT'S TEN--THAT'S
YOUR, LIKE, ADULT LIFE,
BASICALLY, WHICH IS CRAZY.
>> JUST IT'S TIME.
IT IS TIME.
>> HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A
PHOTOGRAPH OF HIM?
>> I HAVE, ON FACEBOOK.
>> * I BUILD IT UP
* I BUILD IT UP
* AND I DREAM IT UP...
>> I LOVE HIS PERSONALITY.
I LOVE TALKING TO HIM ON THE
PHONE.
I LOVE HIS VOICE.
I LOVE HIS DUMB JOKES.
BUT I'M SICK OF WAITING.
I AM SO READY.
I'VE BEEN READY FOR, LIKE,
9 1/2 YEARS.
>> [laughs]
I THINK THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE
STORY.
I'M SUPER CURIOUS ABOUT MATT,
AND I REALLY WANT YOU TO MEET
HIM.
>> SO WE'RE COMING TO ALTO.
>> WE'RE GONNA FLY TO ALTO.
>> YOU ARE AWESOME.
YAY, I'M SO EXCITED.
>> YEAH, BYE, KIM.
SEE YOU SOON.
>> BYE, KIM.
>> THANK YOU.
>> GOING BACK TO MICHIGAN.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> WE'RE GOING TO ALTO.
>> GREAT.
>> ALL RIGHT, NICE.
>> I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THAT IS.
>> NEXT STOP, ALTO.
>> LET'S SEE WHAT THE
TEMPERATURE IS LIKE.
>> I'M FORECASTING DRAMA AND
MYSTERY.
>> * YOU'RE HAUNTED *
* AND YOU CAN'T FIND YOUR WAY *
>> THANK YOU.
>> *YOU'RE RESTING *
* BUT THERE'S NOWHERE TO LAY *
>> TEETH CHECK.
>> AM I GOOD?
>> YEAH, YOU'RE CLEAN.
>> WOW, THIS IS--SEE, THIS IS
WHAT I DREAMED ABOUT.
ALL RIGHT.
[grunts]
LET'S MEET KIM.
KIM.
>> HI. OH, MY GOODNESS.
>> HEY, WHAT'S UP?
>> HI.
>> HOW ARE YOU?
>> GOOD.
>> THIS IS OUR CREW.
EVERYONE SAY HI.
[laughs]
>> HI, COME ON IN.
>> MAX, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> I'M PRETTY PSYCHED.
I LIKE THE COLD, CRISP AIR.
>> DO YOU?
DID YOU SMELL THE...
>> I DID, WE DID.
>> GOOD.
>> IT'S--WE ROLLED THE WINDOWS
DOWN AND IT WAS LIKE, "OH,
YEAH."
>> AND BACK UP.
[laughter]
>> SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE
NOW ABOUT MATT, THIS ROMANCE.
LOVE AT FIRST TYPE, WOULD YOU
SAY?
>> I LIKE IT.
>> I JUST CAME UP WITH THAT.
THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
>> THAT WAS GOOD.
>> OKAY, SO, DAY ONE, YOU GUYS
ALREADY--YOU CONNECTED.
>> RIGHT.
>> YOU WANTED HIM AS YOUR
BOYFRIEND?
>> YES.
LIKE, WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER, I
REALLY--YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE,
"OH, THIS IS THE GUY I'M GONNA
MARRY."
>> I MEAN, THIS IS A GUY THAT
YOU REALLY LOVE.
>> YES.
WHENEVER HE, LIKE, CALLS OR
TEXTS, I'M ALWAYS LIKE, WHOO!
YOU KNOW, I DROP EVERYTHING I'M
DOING.
IT'S LIKE, AS SOON AS I ANSWER
THE PHONE OR IF I WERE TO EVER
MEET HIM IN PERSON, I WOULD
AUTOMATICALLY HAVE A SMILE,
'CAUSE I KNOW HE'S GONNA MAKE ME
LAUGH.
>> I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS
ABOUT THIS GUY THAT'S KEEPING
HIM FROM WANTING TO TAKE YOUR
VERY CLOSE FRIENDSHIP FROM
WHERE IT IS JUST TO THE NEXT
LEVEL.
>> I REMEMBER ON FACEBOOK, ONE
TIME, HE PUT ON HIS STATUS
"DOES ANYBODY WANNA SKYPE?
SEND ME YOUR INFO."
>> HMM.
>> SO I'M LIKE, "MATT, I WANNA
SKYPE WITH YOU."
HE'S LIKE, "UM, NO."
>> BUT HE NEVER GAVE YOU A
REASON.
>> NEVER.
>> HUH.
>> IT JUST MAKES ME VERY UPSET.
AND IT'S, LIKE, MY HOPES GET
LET DOWN EVERY TIME I GET
EXCITED ABOUT MATT.
>> YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN UP.
>> NO.
>> AMAZINGLY.
>> YES. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE.
YOU'RE GONNA HELP ME.
YOU GOT TO FIND THE ANSWER.
'CAUSE I CAN'T FIND THE ANSWER.
I DON'T KNOW.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS YOUR
FACEBOOK?
"MANAGER AT ICE CREAM CABOOSE."
>> MM-HMM.
>> "LIVES IN ALTO.
IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH SCOTT."
>> MM-HMM.
>> WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?
>> THAT IS MY CURRENT BOYFRIEND.
>> WHAT?
WHAT?
YOU'RE DATING SOMEONE RIGHT NOW?
>> WHAT? I MEAN...
>> YEP.
>> HOW DID YOU NOT MENTION THAT?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
YOU DIDN'T ASK, I GUESS.
>> IT'S A SERIOUS BOYFRIEND.
>> YEAH, MM-HMM.
>> DOES HE KNOW ABOUT MATT?
>> YES.
HE JUST WANTS ME TO BE HAPPY.
>> SO MEETING MATT, RIGHT NOW,
IS NOT ABOUT BEING IN A
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
>> BUT IT COULD BE.
IF I DON'T MEET MATT, I'LL NEVER
KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT I WANT.
>> SO, LIKE, THE MOMENT YOU MEET
MATT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE
FOREVER.
>> YES.
>> ALL RIGHT, SHOW ME MATT.
I'M GONNA SEARCH FOR HIM.
OKAY, THERE HE IS.
SO HERE ARE HIS PROFILE
PICTURES.
THE SEXY MATT LOWE.
"HE'S SEXY AND I KNOW IT"
PICTURES.
BUT THIS IS OLD.
>> YEAH, MM-HMM.
>> SO THIS IS THE MATT FROM HIGH
SCHOOL THAT YOU PROBABLY FIRST
MET.
>> STARTED TALKING TO HIM, YEAH.
>> SO THERE'S ALMOST NO PICTURES
OF HIM ON HERE.
>> MM-MM.
>> ALL RIGHT, HOW ABOUT THIS
PICTURE?
THIS IS HIGH SCHOOL, DO YOU
THINK?
SO HE'S ONLY, LIKE, 17 OR 18--
>> HE MIGHT BE 18 BY THEN.
>> YEAH, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY
RECENT.
>> RIGHT, NO KIDDING.
>> WHAT'S THE MYSTERY?
WHAT'S THIS GUY HIDING?
LET'S CALL HIM NOW AND JUST SEE
IF HE ANSWERS.
>> OKAY.
[line rings]
AM I TALKING OR ARE YOU?
>> HELLO.
>> NOTHING, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
>> NOT A BAD VISION I'M GETTING
HERE.
>> [laughs]
[laughs]
>> RIGHT, YEAH, CONSIDERING YOU
WILL NEVER LET ME COME SEE YOU.
>> UH-HUH.
>> LIKE, UH...
>> MM-HMM.
>> THAT'S OKAY, I WAS EXPECTING
IT.
>> [laughs]
[phone beeps]
>> I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE
OBVIOUSLY HAD THIS CONVERSATION
A MILLION TIMES.
>> ALL THE TIME.
>> "WHEN ARE WE GONNA MEET?"
>> RIGHT.
>> WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S KEEPING
HIM IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT
HE'S DEALING WITH THAT HE HASN'T
TOLD YOU ABOUT.
>> MM-HMM.
>> SO MAX AND I ARE GONNA GO.
WE'RE GONNA CHECK INTO THIS A
LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND WE'LL CHECK BACK IN WITH YOU
LATER WHEN WE HOPEFULLY KNOW
A LITTLE BIT MORE.
[car doors shut]
>> WELL, WE GOT A LOVE TRIANGLE
ON TOP OF THIS.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE
OF THIS GUY.
>> THEY SEEM SO CLOSE.
AND THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT SO MANY
DIFFERENT THINGS.
I JUST DON'T GET WHY HE'S SO
AFRAID OF ANY PHYSICAL
INTERACTION.
>> YEAH, MATT HAS A MYSTERIOUS
ISSUE.
>> both: ALL RIGHT.
>> LET THE RESEARCH BEGIN.
>> OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT
MATTHEW LOWE.
MATT HAS A LOT OF FRIENDS,
WHICH IS A GOOD SIGN THAT HE'S A
REAL PERSON.
I CAN'T LOOK AT HIS PHOTOS
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT FRIENDS.
OH, YES, I CAN.
COOL.
>> I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT PICTURE
BEFORE.
>> OH, THERE HE IS AGAIN.
>> FUNNY.
WE DIDN'T SEE THAT PHOTO WHEN
WE WERE GOING THROUGH HER PHOTOS
OF HIM.
ALL THE ONES WE SAW AT HER
HOUSE WERE ALL, LIKE, WHEN HE
WAS YOUNGER, WHEN HE WAS IN
COLLEGE.
HE'S HIDING IT FROM HER.
I MEAN...
>> WAIT...GO BACK TO THE
"FATHERHOOD" THING.
>> IT'S A JOKE.
>> AND WHO'S TAGGED AS
MATT LOWE?
>> IT'S A GOOF.
>> THE FATHER IS TAGGED AS
MATT LOWE AS OPPOSED TO THE
SON.
THAT'S INTERESTING.
>> YOU THINK SO?
YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S JUST A
TOTALLY RANDOM...
>> HE MIGHT HAVE A KID.
WHAT'S--WHY WOULD HE BLOCK THIS
PHOTO TOO?
>> RIGHT, YEAH.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE
DIDN'T SEE THESE PHOTOS WHEN WE
WERE LOOKING WITH...
>> DEFINITELY DIDN'T SEE THOSE
PHOTOS.
>> WITH KIM, SO HE MUST HAVE
SOME PRIVACY SETTING, RIGHT?
SHOULD WE DOWNLOAD THESE AND
THEN SHOW 'EM TO HER?
>> YEAH.
WE SHOULD JUST GOOGLE
MATT RUSSELL LOWE.
>> OH, HERE, CHECK IT OUT.
>> WHAT'S THIS ONE?
>> SOUNDCLICK ARTISTS,
ALL RIGHT.
THAT IS AN AMAZING PICTURE.
AND THIS MUST BE HIS MUSIC.
>> SHE DIDN'T TELL US ANYTHING
ABOUT THAT, DID SHE?
>> NOPE.
>> "SERVED COLD.
THIS IS ABOUT THE UGLY WHORE
YOU HEARD ABOUT.
I THINK THIS SONG IS MORE MATURE
AND TRULY SHOWS MY FEELINGS."
>> * I WANNA DEDICATE THIS...
[electronic music plays]
*
* TO MY FIRST GIRLFRIEND
>> I LIKE THE BEAT.
>> * ALL I WANNA SAY
* TO YOU IS...
*
*[bleep] YOU, [bleep] *
*YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVE *
* WHAT GOES AROUND
*GOES AROUND *
*SO GET SERVED... *
>> NOW MAYBE THIS IS WHY HE
DOESN'T SEND HER HIS MUSIC.
RAUNCHY.
ALL RIGHT, I CAN'T LISTEN TO
THIS ANYMORE.
THIS IS ALL REALLY AGGRESSIVE,
ANGRY, AND VERY DEROGATORY
LYRICS.
IT'S NOT A STRETCH TO SAY
THAT...KIM MIGHT NOT APPRECIATE
THIS MUSIC.
>> THAT YOU FOUND "AGGRESSIVE."
>> WELL, THAT ARE...
>> AND "DEROGATORY."
>> YEAH, YEAH.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO PUT
AIR QUOTES AROUND IT.
>> I'LL TAKE THEM OFF.
>> YEAH.
WHERE CAN WE GO FROM HERE?
>> OKCUPID, GO TO THAT.
>> LOWEDOGG.
>> YEAH, THAT'S HIM.
>> "IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN
CHATTING IT UP, JUST WRITE ME
AN EMAIL."
THAT'S A LITTLE WEIRD, RIGHT?
I MEAN, CONSIDERING THAT HE--
>> both: HE HAS SOMEONE.
>> THAT HE CAN TALK TO ALL THE
TIME.
MAYBE HE JUST DOESN'T LIKE HER
THAT WAY.
>> WELL, YEAH, OKAY.
BUT, AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN
WHY HE WOULD BE SO AGAINST
MEETING HER.
THERE'S A PERSONALITY TAB, AND
IT HAS, LIKE, A RATING SYSTEM.
IT HAS HIM VERY HIGH ON THE
ARROGANT RATING.
>> HE'S MORE--
>> MORE AGGRESSIVE.
>> OKAY, YOU WERE RIGHT.
HIS MUSIC'S AGGRESSIVE.
>> VERY.
>> HE'S MORE AGGRESSIVE.
>> ANGRY.
>> WELL, HE'S DEFINITELY
CONTROLLING AND MANIPULATING
HER IMAGE OF HIM.
>> AND THE ONE THING I ASKED HER
WAS, LIKE, "DO YOU THINK HE'S
HONEST AND OPEN WITH YOU?"
AND SHE'S LIKE, "I THINK SO."
WE GOT A LOT OF NEW STUFF TO
SHOW KIM.
I MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO GET
HER TAKE ON THIS STUFF.
THERE'S A LOT.
>> RIGHT.
THERE'S PLENTY OF THINGS IN HIS
LIFE THAT HE IS HIDING FROM HER.
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE'S
HIDING THEM FROM HER.
>> YEAH, BUT WHAT'S HE GETTING
OUT OF IT?
HE'S--HE'S--
>> I DON'T KNOW.
>> SO MAX AND I SPENT A COUPLE
HOURS ONLINE LAST NIGHT.
THERE WERE PICTURES THAT WE
COULD SEE ON HIS PROFILE THAT
WE DIDN'T SEE WHEN WE WERE
LOOKING WITH YOU.
>> HMM.
>> HAD YOU SEEN THIS PICTURE?
>> IT WASN'T ON MY FACEBOOK.
>> RIGHT, SO THERE'S THIS ONE.
AND THEN THIS ONE, WHICH WE
THOUGHT WAS PRETTY CUTE.
>> YOU KNOW WHY HE MIGHT WANT TO
KEEP THIS PHOTO FROM YOU?
IF YOU HAD TO GUESS?
>> NO.
>> MAX WAS SAYING MAYBE HE HAS A
KID THAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
BUT YOU KNOW NOTHING--HE'S NEVER
SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?
>> NO, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A
SECRET, MM-HMM.
>> SURPRISE.
>> THE OTHER THING THAT WE FOUND
IS MUSIC.
>> OH, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT
PICTURE BEFORE.
>> AND THERE'S A FUNNY PHOTO
THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY NEVER SEEN.
>> NO, MM-MMM.
>> AND THEN A LOT OF MUSIC.
19 SONGS THAT HE RECORDED.
>> UGLY WHORE?
>> YEAH.
PRETTY--PRETTY GRAPHIC TITLE.
[electronic music plays]
>> * OPEN UP
* YOUR [bleep] EARS
* [bleep]...
IS MY MOTHER IN THE ROOM?
>> 'CAUSE SHE DOESN'T LIKE THE
"F" WORD.
>> * [bleep] SLUT
*SHE DESERVES MY [bleep] *
* DESERVES [bleep]
* IN HER MOUTH...
>> MUSIC THAT YOU LIKE?
>> NO, MM-MMM.
>> RIGHT, AND DO YOU WANT ME TO
STOP IT?
>> SURE.
>> OKAY, IS THIS IN LINE WITH
HIS PERSONALITY, THIS VERY
AGGRESSIVE, VULGAR--
>> YEAH, BUT USUALLY IT'S REALLY
FUNNY.
>> RIGHT, USUALLY HE SEEMS TO BE
JOKING.
>> RIGHT.
>> IF HE USES THAT KIND OF
LANGUAGE.
THE LAST THING THAT WE FOUND--
THIS IS OKCUPID.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS?
>> MM-MMM.
>> IT'S A DATING WEBSITE.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS HIM.
"WHY AM I ON HERE?
JUST LOOKING TO TALK TO SOMEONE
COOL AND HAVEN'T FOUND ONE
YET."
>> SO HE'S LOOKING FOR A FRIEND,
SOMEBODY TO CHAT WITH, BUT...
>> HE'S GOT AS GOOD A FRIEND AS
YOU COULD HOPE FOR.
>> RIGHT.
>> SO THEN I THINK, LIKE, WELL,
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT HE HAS OTHER
PEOPLE IN HIS LIFE, OTHER KIMS
AROUND THE COUNTRY WHO HE TALKS
TO ALL THE TIME AND HAS FOR
YEARS?
>> I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
'CAUSE THAT'S ME.
I ALREADY FILLED THE POSITION.
>> RIGHT, EVEN JUST FROM WHAT
WE'VE GONE OVER HERE, LIKE,
THERE'S A LOT HE HASN'T TOLD
YOU.
>> RIGHT.
WELL, OKAY, LET'S START FRESH.
UM, COUPLE YEARS AGO, I LIVED
WITH MY EX-BOYFRIEND.
>> OH.
>> AND WE KIND OF SLOWED DOWN ON
TALKING, BECAUSE MATT OBVIOUSLY
DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO ME,
'CAUSE I LIVED WITH STEVE.
>> RIGHT.
YOU GUYS MET IN SCHOOL OR...?
>> SCHOOL, 7TH GRADE.
>> SO HE WAS YOUR HIGH SCHOOL
SWEETHEART.
>> YES.
>> SO FROM THE TIME THAT YOU'VE
BEEN TALKING TO MATT, TOO, YOU
WERE DATING STEVEN?
>> YES.
>> HUH.
>> HE ACTUALLY PASSED AWAY.
THAT'S WHY.
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> UM, STEVE AND I WERE TOGETHER
FOR ALMOST SEVEN YEARS.
I GOT A HOUSE FOR US, AND I WAS
WORKING MY ASS OFF.
I HAD A FULL-TIME JOB, I DID
HAIR ON THE SIDE.
AND I GOT REAL SICK OF THAT
REAL QUICK.
BECAUSE HE WOULD GO MAKE MONEY
AND I WOULD NEVER SEE IT.
SO I'D NEVER SEE ANY MONEY.
HE'D NEVER HELP ME WITH THE
BILLS.
>> BUT WHERE WAS THE MONEY
GOING?
>> UM, DRUGS.
HE DIDN'T WANT TO GROW UP.
AND I WAS MOVING UP AND HE WAS
STAYING THE SAME.
>> SO YOU CALLED IT--YOU THREW
IN THE TOWEL AND SAID, "I CAN'T
DO THIS ANYMORE."
>> YEP.
THEN, UM, ON...
MAY 5TH, ABOUT 6:23 P.M.,
HE CALLS ME, AND HE IS SLURRING
HIS WORDS, HE'S A MESS.
HE'S LIKE, "I NEED TO GET YOU
BACK.
I HAVE THIS ALL PLANNED OUT."
AND I'M LIKE, "YOU'RE TOO
LATE, YOU'RE TOO LATE."
AND, UM...SO HE TOLD ME, HE'S
LIKE, "JUST--JUST DON'T HANG UP
ON ME, DON'T GIVE UP ON ME."
AND I'M LIKE, "I ALREADY GAVE
UP."
AND HE'S LIKE, "IF YOU HANG UP
ON ME, I'LL TAKE MY OWN LIFE."
AND I'M LIKE, "I HAVE TO GO."
HE'S LIKE, "I LOVE YOU."
AND I SAID, "GOOD-BYE."
AND THEN HE WAS PRONOUNCED DEAD
AT 7:00.
AND THAT WAS THE LAST PHONE CALL
HE MADE.
HE HUNG HIMSELF IN A BOATHOUSE
UP NORTH.
AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S ALL MY
FAULT.
[sniffles]
I LOST TWO YEARS OF MY LIFE.
I DIDN'T MOVE.
GAINED 125 POUNDS...
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> IN, LIKE, A YEAR.
[sighs]
>> WELL, YOU'VE COME A LONG WAY.
>> YEAH, I THINK SO.
>> AND BEEN THROUGH A LOT.
>> BEEN THROUGH A LOT.
AND FROM GOING AND DOING
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR ALMOST
TWO YEARS STRAIGHT, I'M BACK
TO BEING ME.
>> AND DID YOU TALK TO MATT
AT ALL ABOUT THIS DURING THOSE
TWO YEARS?
>> OH, YEAH, ALL THE TIME.
HE WAS 100% THERE FOR ME...
LISTENED TO ME JUST TALK ABOUT
NOTHING FOR HOURS.
>> SO, IN A BIG WAY, MATT WAS...
>> A HUGE...
>> A HUGE PART OF YOUR RECOVERY.
>> YEP.
>> IT'S NOT EASY TO BE A FRIEND
FOR SOMEONE GOING THROUGH
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND MATT STUCK IT OUT WITH YOU,
AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY
AMAZING.
>> I REALLY DO WANT TO MEET
MATT.
>> YOU GOT TO ANSWER THAT
QUESTION AND MOVE ON FROM THAT
PART OF YOUR LIFE.
>> RIGHT AND THEN START A NEW
DECISION FROM THERE.
>> MEETING MATT IS THE LAST
PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.
>> IT IS.
>> SO LET'S HOPE, FROM HERE ON
OUT, ONLY GOOD THINGS.
>> RIGHT, NO KIDDING.
>> YOU DESERVE IT.
>> GETTING HIS NUMBER?
>> YEAH.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT I'M
GONNA SAY TO THIS GUY.
HE HAS NO IDEA WHO I AM.
I'M KIND OF BUTTING IN A LITTLE
BIT.
HE'S BEEN TELLING HIS FRIEND OF
TEN YEARS THAT HE DOESN'T WANT
TO MEET HER.
>> HE'S GOT SOMETHING TO HIDE.
HE'S OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE
INSECURE.
>> IN SOME WAYS, THIS IS THE
HARDEST PART FOR ME.
I WANT TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR
HER, AND I THINK WHAT'S BEST FOR
HER IS TO HAVE THEM MEET.
BUT MATT MAY NOT FEEL THAT WAY.
>> THIS IS THE HARDEST
NEGOTIATION.
>> RIGHT.
[cell phone dials]
HERE GOES--HERE GOES NOTHING.
>> HELLO?
>> HELLO, MATT?
>> YEAH?
>> HEY, THIS IS NEV.
I'M CALLING FROM MICHIGAN, UM...
>> UH-HUH.
>> I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THE PAST
COUPLE DAYS, UH, WITH MY FRIEND
MAX AND A CREW FROM MTV, TALKING
TO KIM ABOUT YOU AND HER AND
YOUR FRIENDSHIP, UH, FROM THE
LAST TEN YEARS.
>> [laughs nervously]
>> YEAH, AND SHE THOUGHT MAYBE I
COULD HELP HER OUT IN, UM,
POTENTIALLY FACILITATING YOU
GUYS MEETING UP SOMETIME.
>> [laughs nervously]
>> WHAT--HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT
KIM?
LIKE, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
HER?
>> WHAT'S BEEN HOLDING YOU BACK?
WHAT'S BEEN KEEPING YOU
FROM--FROM MEETING UP WITH HER?
>> RIGHT.
>> I KNOW YOU KNOW KIM'S BEEN
DATING THIS GUY SCOTT FOR THE
PAST, LIKE, SIX MONTHS.
>> YEAH.
>> THIS IS--THIS IS YOUR LAST
CHANCE, BECAUSE SHE FEELS THAT,
YOU KNOW, SHE MIGHT BE GETTING
REALLY SERIOUS WITH SCOTT.
SHE MIGHT BE READY TO SORT OF,
YOU KNOW, TAKE THE NEXT STEP
WITH HIM.
AND THE THING THAT'S HOLDING HER
BACK, THE ONE THING THAT'S
KEEPING HER FROM, LIKE,
SERIOUSLY COMMITTING TO SCOTT
IS YOU.
>> YEAH.
>> SO I JUST THINK YOU SHOULD
REALLY THINK LONG AND HARD, UM,
ABOUT TAKING AN OPPORTUNITY
RIGHT NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
>> [sighs]
>> I MEAN, IT SOUNDS TO ME
LIKE--LIKE I THINK YOU KNOW
WHAT--WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
UM...
>> YEAH.
[sighs]
UM...
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> IT'S GOOD THOUGH.
CRAZY'S GOOD.
>> I DON'T KNOW.
[laughs]
>> YEAH, MAN, LOOK, WE'LL BE IN
TOUCH, AND I'LL SPEAK TO YOU
SOON.
>> BYE.
PHEW, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE SAID
YES.
>> YEAH.
>> SOUNDED TO ME LIKE HE HAD
SOMETHING ELSE HE NEEDED TO TELL
HER.
>> THERE MIGHT BE A LOT MORE
THAN HE WOULD SHARE--SAYING ON
THE PHONE.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO.
>> HERE IT IS, RIGHT?
IS THIS IT?
>> YEAH, THIS IS IT.
>> HEY.
>> OH, HI.
>> THIS PLACE IS GREAT.
ANYWAY...
>> YES.
>> I SPOKE TO MATT.
>> MM-HMM?
>> BASICALLY, I GOT HIM TO AGREE
THAT, IF WE COME, HE WILL MEET
YOU.
SO THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING.
>> YES, THAT'S--OH, GOSH.
[laughs]
>> THIS IS IT, THIS IS BIG.
>> IT IS BIG.
>> I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO
EXCITED BECAUSE THERE'S STILL A
BIG UNKNOWN.
>> I'M JUST OVERWHELMED.
I'M OVERWHELMED, BECAUSE I NEVER
REALLY THOUGHT, IN TEN WHOLE
YEARS, OR A MILLION MORE, THAT
THAT WOULD EVER BE EVEN A
POSSIBILITY.
OH, MY GOSH.
>> I KNOW.
>> I'M SO EXCITED.
>> OKAY.
[laughs]
[doorbell rings]
>> KIM.
YOUR LIMOUSINE AWAITS.
[upbeat rock music]
*
>> MICHIGAN.
ALTO'S NOT ON THE MAP.
>> *I'VE BEEN TRYIN' *
* TO FIND YOU
* AND GO SWIMMING
* IN THE SEA...
>> OH!
>> SO IS THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF
YOUR NECK STANDING UP?
I MEAN, YOU'RE--YOU'RE WITHIN
MILES OF THIS GUY RIGHT NOW.
>> IT'S NOT STANDING UP, BUT...
>> LET'S GO THIS WAY.
OKAY.
>> I'M READY.
>> DON'T FORGET--HERE WE GO.
OKAY.
>> I HAVE A FEELING WE'RE
GETTING REALLY CLOSE, BECAUSE
NOW I'M GETTING SCARED.
>> MY HEART'S STARTING TO, UH...
>> IS IT?
>> TO BEAT A LITTLE FASTER,
YEAH.
AND THIS IS TEN YEARS?
>> TEN YEARS.
BUT I'M READY.
I'M SO READY.
>> ALL RIGHT, READY?
[car door opens]
>> YEP.
[labored breathing]
>> I DON'T KNOW.
WHICH IS HIS APARTMENT?
GOOD?
>> I'M GOOD.
I HEAR A DOOR.
[door shuts]
>> HELLO.
[gentle piano music]
**
HELLO.
>> HI.
>> OH, MAN.
>> SO DO YOU.
>> [laughs nervously]
ARE YOU SCARED?
>> NO.
>> YEAH, YOU ARE.
>> I'M NOT NERVOUS AT ALL.
[laughs nervously]
SO, HI, NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> HEY, MATT.
>> YEAH, GOOD TO MEET YOU, MAN.
THANKS, THANKS FOR MEETING UP
WITH US.
>> YEAH.
YOU GUYS CAN COME IN.
>> [whispers] OH, I'M SORRY.
>> WHEW!
>> THIS IS INTENSE.
>> YEAH.
I'M NOT GONNA LIE, IT'S KIND
OF WEIRD.
[laughter]
BUT I'M PRETTY HAPPY, YOU KNOW.
WE'VE JUST BEEN HEARING EACH
OTHER'S VOICES THIS LONG.
>> YEAH.
>> AND NOW WE SEE EACH OTHER.
SO, YOU ARE VERY PRETTY.
[laughter]
>> THANK YOU.
>> YEAH, SO, UM...
AS YOU CAN TELL, PRETTY BIG GUY.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A BIG
REASON WHY I'VE BEEN NERVOUS TO
MEET WITH YOU.
UH...I DON'T HAVE ANY BIG, CRAZY
SECRETS OR ANYTHING.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN THAT I
KNOW OF, UM...
[laughter]
IT'S BEEN HARD TO WANT TO MEET
YOU.
I'VE BEEN WANTING TO MEET YOU
FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND IT'S JUST IT'S HELD ME BACK.
>> I DIDN'T THINK YOU HAD
ANYTHING TO HIDE, BUT, I MEAN...
>> I DIDN'T REALLY EXPLAIN IT.
>> RIGHT, YOU NEVER DID EXPLAIN
LIKE...
>> AT MY HIGHEST POINT OF
WEIGHT, I HAD REACHED 619
POUNDS.
[laughter]
>> I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.
[piano music continues]
*
>> I WAS SO BIG THAT I ALMOST,
LIKE, LITERALLY COULDN'T LIVE
LIFE EVERY DAY.
LIKE, I WOULD--I COULDN'T SLEEP.
I COULD BARELY SHOWER.
COULD BARELY PUT MY SHOES ON.
DIDN'T HAVE, LIKE, ANY CLOTHES
TO WEAR.
LIKE, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE A
PERSON.
BUT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT.
AND I'VE LOST OVER 65 POUNDS.
EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT WHERE I
WANT TO BE, DID NOT WANT TO MEET
YOU LIKE THIS...
[laughs nervously]
I AM STILL HAPPY ABOUT IT,
BECAUSE I AM SO MUCH BETTER OFF
THAN WHAT I WAS.
AND NOW I'M LIVING MY LIFE THAT
I WANT TO LIVE, AND I'M FIXING
MY PROBLEMS.
AND ONE OF THOSE PROBLEMS IS
FINALLY MEETING YOU.
SO I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE'RE
DOING THIS.
>> AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU FIGURED
OUT SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY
WANT TO DO, AND YOU'RE STICKING
TO IT, AND IT DOES MAKE YOU
HAPPY.
AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME HAPPY.
>> HE'S OBVIOUSLY STRUGGLING
WITH HIS WEIGHT, BUT--
>> THAT WAS IT.
>> YEAH, I MEAN--
AND I UNDERSTAND.
>> both: IT WAS JUST--
>> HIS HEALTH WAS POOR.
>> YEAH.
>> AND HE WAS...
>> HE'S ASHAMED.
>> HE WAS ASHAMED OF HIS WEIGHT.
>> I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY
THOUGHT, LIKE, WE WERE JUST
NEVER GOING TO MEET, AND--AND--
>> I DID THINK THAT.
>> YEAH.
[laughs nervously]
>> THE MAIN REASON WHY IT WAS,
LIKE, BASICALLY, NOW OR NEVER...
>> YEAH?
>> TO MEET YOU, IS BECAUSE...
I AM IN A SERIOUS RELATIONSHIP.
AND I JUST NEEDED TO MEET YOU
BEFORE...SCOTT AND I TOOK, LIKE,
THE NEXT STEP.
>> WHICH WOULD BE WHAT?
MARRIAGE?
[laughter]
>> NOT THAT FUNNY, BUT YEAH.
>> YEAH.
>> SO I JUST HAD TO MAKE SURE I
WASN'T MISSING ANYTHING.
AND IF I DIDN'T COME HERE TO SEE
YOU, I WOULD BE.
AND IT'S HARD TO PUT YOU IN A
PLAN WHEN I'VE NEVER MET YOU.
>> YEAH, I GET THAT.
>> WHAT'S IN YOUR GUT?
WHEN YOU LISTEN TO YOUR HEART,
WHAT DOES IT SAY?
>> I JUST DON'T KNOW.
>> YOU LOVED STEVE.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THAT
FOR MATT OR SCOTT?
>> NOW THAT THE DUST HAS
SETTLED, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO
DECIDE.
>> RIGHT.
>> WHAT'S IN YOUR GUT?
WHAT'S--YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CLOSE
YOUR EYES AND YOU LISTEN TO YOUR
HEART, WHAT DOES IT SAY?
>> WELL, I JUST DON'T KNOW,
BECAUSE I'M--THERE'S A LOT--
THERE'S A TON RIDING ON IT.
>> YOU DON'T THINK YOU FIGURED
IT OUT?
>> NO.
>> REALLY?
>> REALLY.
>> SO THERE'S STILL A PART OF
YOU THAT HASN'T FIGURED OUT FOR
SURE IF YOU THINK YOU WANT TO BE
WITH...MATT OR YOU DON'T?
>> RIGHT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO BE FAIR TO
BOTH OF THEM, AND, LIKE, WHAT
I WANT THE MOST.
>> YOU'VE KNOWN LOVE.
YOU KNOW, YOU...
>> YEAH.
>> YOU LOVED STEVE.
>> YEAH.
>> AND, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, LOVE
WITH EVERY PERSON IS A LITTLE
DIFFERENT, BUT THE STRENGTH OF
THE FEELING IS ALWAYS THE SAME.
AND DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE
THAT FOR MATT OR SCOTT?
>> MM, NO.
[gentle guitar music]
**
THERE'S NO COMPARISON AT ALL
TO THAT FEELING.
NONE.
AT ALL.
[sniffles]
BECAUSE IF I TRY TO COMPARE
THEM, I'LL NEVER FIND ANYBODY
THAT WILL MEET UP TO THAT, I
FEEL.
SO I DON'T KNOW.
I TRY NOT TO THINK LIKE THAT,
BECAUSE THEN NOBODY WILL EVER
COME CLOSE, AND IT'S NOT--
IT'S NOT RIGHT.
>> I JUST WANT TO SEE YOU HAPPY.
>> ME TOO.
>> I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU
COMPROMISE YOUR FEELINGS.
>> RIGHT.
>> SO IF THESE GUYS AREN'T RIGHT
FOR YOU...
>> DON'T SETTLE.
>> DON'T SETTLE.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT NOW WE'RE HERE.
WE'RE AT MATT'S HOUSE.
FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS...THERE'S
BEEN SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS
NEEDED TO DO TO MOVE ON.
>> RIGHT.
>> AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING
TODAY...MOVING ON.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
[gentle pop music]
>> [grunts]
>> ME FIRST?
>> SURE.
>> OKAY.
>> *LAST NIGHT I DREAMED *
* WE FOUND A STAND OF TREES...
>> HELLO.
>> HEY, WHAT'S UP, MAN?
>> HI.
>> NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> NICE TO SEE YOU.
>> HI.
>> HELLO.
>> THAT'S MY SISTER.
>> NEV.
>> THAT'S MY MOTHER.
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> HI. JOY.
>> JOY, NEV.
HERE, I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN
WAITING TO MEET, IS KIM.
>> HELLO.
>> KIM.
>> both: FINALLY.
[laughter]
>> HI.
>> I LIKE YOUR HAIR.
>> OH, THANK YOU.
>> HEY.
>> HI, HOW YOU DOING?
>> GOOD.
YOU'RE SO PRETTY.
>> OH, JUST, THANKS.
[laughter]
DID YOU EVER THINK THIS WAS
GOING TO HAPPEN EVER?
>> NO.
>> NO, NEVER.
>> NO.
>> I REALLY DIDN'T EITHER.
>> KIM, I'D LIKE YOU TO FINALLY
MEET MY OTHER HALF, MY LITTLE
FAT PUPPY.
>> WELL, HE SEEMS TO LIKE KIM.
[laughter]
>> OBVIOUSLY.
>> * THE LOGS WE PEELED
* AND STACKED IN A RING
*AND THEN WE CROWNED IT *
* OUR TINY HOUSE
* WITH TIN
*AND BY THE FIRE *
*FLICKERING BRONZE AND GOLD *
*ACROSS YOUR FACE *
**
>> HE'S--HE'S A REALLY
GOOD-HEARTED KID.
AND OBVIOUSLY, HE'S, YOU KNOW--
HE'S FELT A LOT OF CONNECTION
TOWARDS YOU SINCE YOU GUYS WERE
14 YEARS OLD.
>> MM-HMM.
>> OH, MY GOD.
THAT'S A LONG TIME.
>> HE WOULD NEVER MEET ME.
>> YEAH.
>> EVER.
I TRIED FOR A LONG TIME, BUT
NEVER.
>> HE WAS SCARED TO MEET YOU,
THAT YOU WOULD GET DISAPPOINTED.
>> YOU'VE TAKEN A HUGE STEP IN
MEETING KIM.
YOU SAID THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE THE
MOST SCARED OF IN YOUR ENTIRE
LIFE.
>> YEAH.
>> I MEAN, IT'S GOT TO FEEL GOOD
THAT YOU DID IT.
>> OH, YEAH.
>> AND THAT MAYBE NOW YOU CAN DO
OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WERE
AFRAID OF TOO.
>> THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE
THING'S ABOUT, IS I'VE BEEN
DOING NOTHING BUT WAITING: WITH
KIM, WITH MY WEIGHT.
AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANOTHER
11 YEARS, ANOTHER 20 YEARS.
IT'S JUST NOT.
I'VE JUST TAKEN LIFE, YOU KNOW,
AND...
[stammers] I'M LIVING IT.
THERE IS NO UNMOTIVATED MATT
ANYMORE.
[laughs nervously]
WHEN I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, I
WANT TO BE AWAKE BECAUSE, I
MEAN, THERE WERE TIMES WHEN I
LITERALLY ALMOST KILLED MYSELF.
AND IT'S TOUGH TO--TO BE SO BIG,
THAT WHEN YOU KILL YOURSELF, YOU
HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE,
HOW TO DO IT SO PEOPLE DON'T
FIND YOUR BODY.
BECAUSE EVEN WHEN YOU DIE,
YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE
EMBARRASSED OF WHO YOU ARE.
[crying]
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M SO HAPPY EVERY
DAY WHEN I WAKE UP NOW, BECAUSE
I'M DOING SO MUCH BETTER FOR
MYSELF.
IT JUST FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I
WENT TO THE BOTTOM PART OF WHO I
WAS, AND I WILL NEVER GO BACK
THERE EVER AGAIN.
SO...
IT'S JUST UP FROM HERE.
[laughs]
>> IT'S ALL RIGHT, BUDDY.
I THINK THAT'S AWESOME.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I'M REALLY EXCITED FOR YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT.
>> THANKS.
>> WHATEVER YOU'RE FEELING,
DON'T HOLD BACK.
DON'T THINK, "I DON'T WANT TO
HURT HIM."
BECAUSE HE'D RATHER HAVE YOU
UP FRONT, SAYING, "HEY, LOOK,
MATT, I--YOU KNOW, LET'S
JUST BE FRIENDS."
>> RIGHT.
>> YOU KNOW, HE'LL TAKE THAT.
>> RIGHT.
>> YOU KNOW, JUST BE HONEST WITH
HIM.
>> OH, I WILL.
>> WHATEVER YOU FEEL, YOU KNOW,
WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR BAD.
>> MM-HMM.
>> HE CAN TAKE IT.
>> AND NOW MORE
CATFISH: THE TV SHOW.
STICK AROUND.
>> SO THIS IS OUR LAST DAY
TOGETHER.
I MEAN, I TOLD YOU A LOT OF
STUFF YESTERDAY, AND I DIDN'T
REALLY GET A CHANCE TO TELL YOU
MORE ABOUT, LIKE, WHAT THE WHOLE
SITUATION IS BETWEEN ME AND YOU.
AND, LIKE, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT
THE DECISION THAT YOU HAVE.
AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO LEAVE
HERE TODAY CONFUSED ABOUT HOW I
FEEL ABOUT YOU.
SO I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT
I AM IN LOVE WITH YOU.
AND MEETING YOU DIDN'T CHANGE
IT.
IF IT DID, IT MADE ME LOVE YOU
MORE.
I ALWAYS WANT YOU IN MY LIFE.
AND YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE
SPECIAL TO ME.
AND I FEEL LIKE THE WOMAN THAT
I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR MY ENTIRE
LIFE IS YOU.
AND SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW, WHEN
YOU GO BACK, THAT I REALLY DO
CARE FOR YOU.
AND I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER ME.
YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE IN A
RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU.
>> UM...
>> IT'S ALL RIGHT.
>> [sniffles]
>> I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT I
WANT.
AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW I STILL
HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME WITH
STEVEN.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW, THE THING.
>> YES.
>> AFTER HE DIED, I OBVIOUSLY
DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR A LONG
TIME.
AND I DON'T TRY, BUT I ALWAYS AM
TRYING TO FIND WHAT I FELT WITH
STEVEN, AND I KNOW I'LL NEVER
FIND IT.
AND I DON'T WANT TO COMPARE YOU
TO STEVE, AND I DON'T WANT TO
COMPARE SCOTT TO STEVE, 'CAUSE
THAT'S NOT FAIR TO ANYBODY
EITHER.
SO, LEAVING HERE, I THINK I'M
JUST GOING TO DO ME FOR A WHILE.
SAY GOODBYE TO SCOTT.
AND ME AND YOU ARE GOING TO STAY
FRIENDS LIKE WE ALWAYS HAVE
BEEN.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND...
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT I'M SAYING WITH THAT?
>> YEAH.
[gentle pop music]
**
>> [sighs]
>> WELL...I GUESS, JUST ONE MORE
TIME BEFORE YOU GO, JUST DON'T
FORGET THE THINGS THAT I'VE TOLD
YOU, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I
LOVE YOU.
>> *OH, MY LOVE, YOU... *
>> TO BE CONTINUED?
>> TO BE CONTINUED.
I'M SURE I'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> * HOW MUCH LONGER
* UNTIL, WELL, DEAR,
* BUT WAIT
* THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE *
*I'D LIKE TO SAY *
*
>> WHAT'S UP, MATT?
>> WHAT'S UP, MAN?
>> HEY, DUDE.
>> LOOK AT THAT MOHAWK.
>> YEAH.
NICE JOB WITH THE MOHAWK.
>> THANK YOU.
BEEN WORKING HARD ON IT.
I'VE BEEN LOSING, ON AVERAGE, AT
LEAST FOUR TO FIVE POUNDS A
WEEK.
I DON'T STOP, MAN.
I'M LOSING WEIGHT RIGHT NOW AS
WE SPEAK.
>> THAT'S AWESOME, MAN.
>> THAT'S GREAT, DUDE.
>> HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON, KIM?
HOW IS EVERYTHING?
>> EVERYTHING'S GOOD.
>> CAN YOU SEE WE GOT MATT HERE?
>> YEAH.
>> both: HELLO.
>> REMEMBER THAT GUY?
>> [laughs]
>> I DO REMEMBER.
I STILL TALK TO HIM EVERY SINGLE
DAY, JUST LIKE BEFORE.
>> WE ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT SEEING
EACH OTHER AGAIN.
OUR RELATIONSHIP IS STRONGER
THAN EVER, YOU KNOW.
>> THAT'S A VERY, VERY WONDERFUL
THING.
I JUST CELEBRATED STEVE'S THIRD
YEAR OF BEING GONE.
IT WAS A REALLY NICE EVENING.
IT WASN'T FULL OF TEARS AND
SORROW.
I THINK TIME HEALS EVERYTHING.
AND I THINK IT'S--I THINK IT'S
FINALLY HAPPENING.
>> THAT'S GREAT.
THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.
>> YEAH.
IT'S AWESOME TO TALK TO YOU
GUYS.
IT'S AWESOME TO SEE YOU BOTH
DOING SO WELL.
>> DEFINITELY.
>> COOL, ALL RIGHT, GROUP WAVE.
>> SEE YOU GUYS.
>> ALL RIGHT, BYE, GUYS.
>> both: BYE.
>> BYE.
>> I THINK HE WILL BE THE
PERFECT ONE THAT WILL SHOW ME
WHAT A REAL MAN IS LIKE.
>> SHE WAS ACTUALLY CONCERNED
THAT HE WAS STILL ENGAGED.
>> HE IS ENGAGED, AND HE HAS TWO
KIDS.
>> WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING YET.
THAT'S SOME WEIRD STUFF.
>> OKAY.
I'M REALLY NERVOUS, GUYS.
>> WHERE IS THIS GUY?
WHAT'S TAKING HIM SO LONG?
>> I KNOW, RIGHT?
>> LOOK AT THIS.
>> [whispers] OH, MY GOSH.
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