Beyond Oak Island (2020–…): Season 3, Episode 2 - The Best of Beyond Oak Island - full transcript
Marty and Rick Lagina meet in the War Room with Matty Blake and Gary Drayton to review and discuss the future of the most compelling treasure hunts they've explored so far.
This is it, guys,
treasure central.
On Beyond Oak Island...
What are some of your favorite
adventures that we’ve been on?
You went chasing
after Peter Easton.
We all kind
of have a pirate spirit.
Every one of
these is larger than life.
- Outlaws.
- Jesse James.
- Butch Cassidy.
- Joaquin Murrieta,
the inspiration for Zorro.
We’re on
the trail of Pancho Villa.
- You’re pretty sure it’s here?
- We’re absolutely sure it’s here.
- The Lost Dutchman Mine.
- No way.
Are you kidding me,
mate? Is that gold?
I have treasure envy.
No way.
Sempre avanti!
All the while we
were growing up,
my brother and I were
fascinated with finding treasure.
Pirate treasure,
cursed treasure.
Civil War gold.
Since then,
our work on Oak Island
has shown us there’s
a world of mysteries...
- Whoa.
- Waiting to be explored.
So, we like to reach
out to other treasure hunters.
X marks the spot,
right there. Brilliant.
- We want to hear their stories...
- That’s right.
- And share our insights.
- "Ill-gotten gains."
- And who knows...
- I got it.
Maybe we can help
them with their search.
Not only in America.
Wow. That is gold.
- But all over the world.
- Yeah!
Beyond Oak Island.
I think it’s so incredible how
we’ve gone beyond
Oak Island, as we say,
but it kind of keeps coming
back to Oak Island in a way.
There’s-there’s common
threads with all these adventures
and mysteries and stories
that we end up taking back
here, uh, and vice versa,
like I’ve seen you guys
talk to some of these
treasure hunters and say,
"Hey, have you thought of
this? Hey, have you tried this?"
- And I love that.
- Yeah.
That’s like a
thrill for me to see happen.
That’s kind of the impetus
for a good portion of this.
- Yeah.
- That right there.
The other thing that was
most impactful was this
preoccupation that
the information hunt is
integral to any treasure hunt,
and we get that positively
reinforced by everyone.
And I mean everyone,
without exception.
And then you add
in the personalities
and the passions and the
commitments of everyone
and that, too, is consistent.
The other thing that
I find exceedingly
interesting is to ask,
and we have asked
every one of them,
"How did you get started?"
- Yeah.
- Right? Like, with Gary Drayton.
He was a bottle digger.
- I can’t-can’t say it like he does.
- "Bottle digger."
Right? And then
he slowly evolved.
But that thread stayed constant
and they’d follow that, right?
You bring up Gary
Drayton, you know, and, like,
that was a perfect
way to kick, really,
this whole adventure off,
is to be with Gary
- in his hometown, basically his backyard...
- Yeah.
Uh, where we know
there’s treasure.
It’s one of my favorites.
- I think you guys loved it, too.
- No, absolutely.
- I could still be down there walking on the beach.
- I know.
Well, you know what?
He’s ready to talk to us.
- I got Gary standing by. You want to talk to him?
- Oh, always.
There he is.
- Gary Drayton.
- Gary Drayton.
Hello, chaps.
How are you?
I’m doing fantastic, thanks.
Great.
Always the answer.
Yeah, do you ever
answer differently?
No.
I get to do what
I do for a living...
Metal detecting... and I’m
just over the moon every day.
Every day I wake
up is an opportunity
- to find treasure.
- That’s great.
Well, mate,
we are reminiscing about
looking for treasure with you
in your own backyard
when we were
doing some detecting for
the 1715 Treasure Fleet.
Um, how was that for you,
having us come down there
and crash your,
uh, your hometown?
It was brilliant. I’d
looked forward to it
for a heck of a
long time because
I spend a lot of time in
Rick and Marty’s backyard
on the island.
And so, to have
you guys come down
and play in my sandbox,
looking for treasure,
was a fantastic experience.
This is it,
guys, treasure central.
Early in
2021, Rick, Marty, and Matty
traveled to Sebastian,
Florida to join Gary Drayton’s
own personal quest to
recover lost riches connected
to the 1715 Spanish
Treasure Fleet.
We could find
anything on this beach
from way past the
condos down there
to the second
flagpole to the south.
Consisting of 12
galleons loaded with Indigenous artifacts
made of gold, silver, and jewels
as well as minted coins
worth billions of
dollars in today’s value...
the Spanish Treasure
Fleet was destroyed
off the Atlantic
coast of Florida...
by a massive hurricane
on July 24, 1715.
Although more than
two-thirds of the treasure
has been salvaged over
the past two centuries,
some experts estimate
that nearly $1 billion
in sunken valuables
have yet to be recovered.
During the past two decades,
while searching the
area of Vero Beach
with his metal detector,
Gary has found more
than a million dollars’
worth of the treasure,
which is continually
washed into shore
by seasonal storms.
- Let’s find some stuff.
- All right!
- Show them what you got.
- Yeah, I’m feeling good.
While on
their adventure with Gary,
the team recovered a number
of potentially historic finds.
Oh!
That looks old, Rick.
I think you might
have a boat spike
- or a part of a boat spike.
- Wow.
Hello, sir. I’m Marty Lagina.
- How are you?
- I’m John.
- Hi, John.
- Nice to meet you.
We believe we’ve found a
couple of, hopefully, artifacts.
After conducting their search,
they had them analyzed
by renowned archaeologist
Dr. John de Bry.
And I’m glad you found this
because this is really rare.
This is absolutely
the head of a spike.
This definitely is
- from the 1715 Fleet.
- Well done, Matty.
Absolutely.
That’s fantastic.
Well, we found a piece
of the 1715 Fleet Galleon.
I learned how to do this move
from the best in the business.
Oh, this hurts, this hurts.
I’m gonna go ahead and
say, I’m still one to nothing.
I got it right here.
- What do you do? Carry that thing around with you?
- I sure do.
I think I might make
a necklace out of it.
You should put it
on a chain, yeah.
You know,
the biggest takeaway for
me on that expedition, Gary,
was to stand on that beach
and then do what you do,
which is to look out and imagine
these 20- and 30-foot waves
and the wind running
110 miles an hour
and these terrified people.
Uh, you know, you
can’t get quite the picture
in your mind
without being there,
but you sure can conjure it
up standing on that beach.
I got to actually
see it in live time
when I went back with
John Brandon and his...
- Oh, yeah, that’s right.
- Treasure salvaging operations.
We were on that boat.
That day started, it was a hot,
beautiful, sunny Florida day,
and like that, it... That
weather rolled in on us
and it got nasty,
and I said to John, like,
"Wow, I can see now
how they could have
got caught here."
Gentlemen,
how are you? Matty Blake.
Several weeks
after working with Gary Drayton
on the beach...
Let’s get out there
and find some treasure.
Matty Blake returned to join
renowned treasure
hunter John Brandon...
This target looks very exciting.
And his team of
professional salvagers to search
for more evidence
of the 1715 Fleet
in the waters nearly a mile
off the Florida coastline.
Did you say big hit? Repeat.
Big hit?
During his second trip
to Florida’s so-called
Treasure Coast, Matty
helped John and his team
recover numerous 18th
century ship-related artifacts.
I see it, I see it.
Wow! Look at that.
It’s a ring off a spar off
one of the crossbeams on the galleon
and it definitely
looks like it’s period,
I mean, it definitely looks
like it’s... it’s from the wreck.
Couple this with the three
iron spikes that were found
a little bit earlier, you can’t
get clues any better than that,
I mean, that’s what
you’re out here looking for.
The only other clues
you get that are better
is if you actually find
the treasure in the hole.
I love it.
That is a big squall there.
Well, we’re gonna get dumped on.
But unfortunately,
a treacherous approaching storm
halted their efforts before any
treasure could be discovered.
Pull that anchor up.
- Get it?
- Got it.
- All right!
- Oh!
The storm came up like that.
The sky got dark,
you felt like someone put on
an air conditioner all of a sudden.
We were all hot and all of a
sudden we’re all freezing cold.
Yeah, that’s a nasty,
look at that rain.
We’ve got to get
this other anchor up
without getting electrocuted.
When an experienced
sailor tells you
we have to move right
now or we’re in danger
of getting electrocuted,
I’m off the water.
Oh, geez!
Shortly after Matty left,
Mike made a big discovery
to the south of where we
had Matty out on the wreck.
You just missed
a treasure trove.
- Oh, my God.
- Look at that.
So this piece is, in fact,
silver, but it’s also, uh,
has a gold wash on it.
I don’t know if
you guys can tell.
It appears to
depict the Madonna.
Wow.
The following week,
John and his colleague
Mike Perna shared
via videoconference
what their team had found
just after Matty’s departure.
I’ll show you one of the gold
coins that we wound up finding.
It’s very similar to what
John’s wearing around his neck.
- Look at that.
- Look at the cross.
So this is an eight escudo.
And this particular coin was
minted in Mexico City in 1714.
It-it was a
very, very significant find
numismatically off the
1715 Fleet shipwrecks.
- Beautiful.
- Yep.
It kind of gives you hope.
They’re still finding stuff
from this wreck
that has been known
- since they lost it.
- Yes.
So, Gary, listen.
I want to say this.
Thank you for letting us
come down to your sandbox.
Thank you for showing
us a real-world adventure
and a real-world treasure site.
And I tell you this, mate.
Uh, with $750
million still out there,
we would like to come back.
You’re welcome, guys,
and as they say
around these parts,
"Y’all come back now."
You know, an adventure
that Gary here got to go on
by himself that we didn’t,
is this Lost Dutchman Mine,
uh, so famous and iconic.
And we obviously
sent the right guy
’cause he actually
came up with gold.
One of the best orders
you guys ever gave me:
"Can you go out looking
for a lost gold mine?"
I think everybody
grows up with that.
- Everybody’s heard of it.
- The Lost Dutchman Mine.
I mean, it doesn’t get
more romantic than that.
That’s the thing,
when you go to the
Superstition Mountains,
you meet some legendary
Dutch hunters searching
for the Lost Dutchman’s gold.
50 miles east of Phoenix,
the majestic
Superstition Mountains
tower over the Arizona desert.
For nearly two centuries,
the area has been home
to one of the richest and
darkest treasure legends
of the American Southwest:
the Lost Dutchman Mine.
It all began in the
1840s, when a wealthy
Spanish family
named the Peraltas,
who had mined
several tons of gold,
were killed by members of
the Indigenous Apache Nation.
The Apache took the gold ore
back into the mountain, and
there they hid it somewhere.
To this day the gold is
somewhere in the mountain.
Two decades
later, a German immigrant
by the name of Jacob Waltz
reportedly found the mine
and its hidden riches.
But after his death,
the location of the mine
has remained a
tantalizing mystery
for many determined
treasure hunters,
and a deadly trap for
a number of others.
And the beautiful
thing about that area
is, there’s gold out there
that just washes down
from the mountains.
We collected some materials
and I got a lesson
from one of the best,
Bob Schoose, a
legendary Dutch hunter.
This is where all the
floodwater comes through.
It brings the gold down.
They get hung in the crevices.
In 2020, Gary
Drayton traveled to Goldfield, Arizona
at the base of the
Superstition Mountains,
where he met with Bob Schoose...
Get as much material as you can,
and we’ll check it.
A man who has
spent more than five decades
looking for the Lost
Dutchman Mine.
- I keep seeing shiny things.
- Yeah.
- You know what you’re seeing there, don’t you?
- Yep.
It’s a leaverite.
What, "leave it
right in the ground
’cause it’s not what
we’re looking for"?
Yeah. You got it.
Think we got
enough stuff yet, Bob?
Yeah, we got enough
for a good test.
All right, sink her down good
and shake and shake and shake,
and that’s the trick.
And then you kind of just
wash a little of the top off,
- like this.
- Okay.
Oh.
Are you kidding me, mate?
- I-Is that gold?
- Yeah.
That sure looks
like a little speckle.
Yeah! Oh, my God, this is gold?
- Looks like it.
- That is bloody fantastic.
- Check it out.
- It looks good.
Yeah, I think you got a bit.
Superstition gold!
That is fantastic.
And I’ve got to ask the
million-dollar question, mate.
In your opinion...
- I knew you’d get around to it.
- Where do you
think the Lost Dutchman Mine is?
Well, my theory is,
it’s right over here.
Wait a minute. You
know where it is?
You can see it from down here.
Right out there,
just to the right
of that funny-shaped peak.
Did you find gold
over there yourself?
I wouldn’t tell you if I did.
You are one wily
old treasure hunter, mate.
Gary, Where do you
put the Lost Dutchman Mine now
in terms of its solvability
and how much progress
has been made?
Is it something
you’d like to revisit?
Definitely I’d love
to go back out there
and I will do one day.
And I have no doubt
that it’s out there.
My toes are tingling now
just thinking about treasure,
but I’ve actually got to go
and give a lesson to a client.
Show them how to find
treasure on the
Treasure Coast of Florida.
Well, they couldn’t have a
better teacher, brother, so...
- Exactly. - Exactly.
- Go get them.
- See you later, chaps.
- See you soon, buddy.
I mean,
- he’s the best there is.
- Yeah, he’s fun.
He’s always so
enthusiastic, but, you know,
Rick has pointed out
common denominators.
I want to point out one.
Every one of these little
adventures we’ve gone on,
the treasure or significant
parts of the treasure
- are still out there.
- Still out there.
And that’s kind of fun.
You know, you’re exactly right,
and that brings to
mind another treasure
that’s got a lot of
parallels to that one.
And equally interesting,
the Lost San Saba Mine
and Hoppy Eubanks.
Man, what-what
an incredible character.
Yes, from the minute you walked
in that house and sat down
at the table with him, he was,
you know, uh, larger than life.
- Howdy, sir. I’m Marty.
- I’m Hoppy.
- Hi, Hoppy.
- I’m Rick, nice to meet you.
Of the new friendships
that Rick, Marty
and Matty have made
while joining the quests
of other treasure hunters,
one of the strongest was
with Alfred "Hoppy" Eubanks.
With a career that
spanned more than 50 years,
Hoppy had searched for
treasure across the United States,
recovering valuables
and even rare documents
connected to the
Revolutionary War.
- All right.
- Early last year,
Rick, Marty and Matty
traveled to Stephenville, Texas
to help Hoppy realize his dream
of locating one of the most
legendary lost Spanish gold
mines in the American West.
Okay, so, Hoppy, tell us what
you think you’ve found here.
Really?
Wow.
Okay, let’s go get it.
Hoppy and
his friend Ted Underwood
showed them a
number of rock carvings
of potential Spanish origin.
This here is your face rock,
and you go 13 foot
and it puts you
right down there.
And even compelling evidence...
that Hoppy was close to
finding the vast treasure.
Hoppy, what’s your best
guess of what depth it is
from where you’re
standing right now?
- Six foot.
- Well, you’re close.
Huh.
Now I’m getting excited
because everything’s
lining up with Hoppy’s theory.
I’m in now. I want to dig.
If it were me, I’d grab
that shovel and that pick
and I would dig that tonight.
How about taking a probe bar
and just pounding
it down five feet?
Why not?
Sure.
You believe that
there’s something
down there that is not...
That’s my question, right.
But I do want to do one thing
because I do believe
that you’re onto something.
So, with your permission,
what I would really like
to do is take that shovel
and just dig one
scoop of dirt in there
and say that I participated
in Hoppy Eubanks’s
and Ted Underwood’s adventure.
This is where the signals were,
so I’m gonna take a
big scoop right here.
But sadly,
Hoppy Eubanks’ quest
for the Lost San Saba Mine
came to an end on
January 22, 2022
when he passed
away at the age of 82.
You know, there is
another consistent thread
through all of these, that
weaves through all of these.
Every one of these
individuals associated with this
are larger-than-life
personalities.
- Every single one of them.
- Seems like it.
True.
I think anyone who
becomes "enraveled"
in one way or another
with a treasure hunt
or a treasure quest
is larger-than-life.
It just, it makes
you that person.
- Right?
- Yeah.
I-I feel only about sort of
the normal-sized life.
Well, I don’t
know, we’re all kind of,
we all kind of have like
a pirate spirit a little bit.
You know, a lot of
people would say...
- Yeah, I think that’s correct.
- "No, I don’t want to dig around
"in the 100-degree
heat and open up a floor
for rumor of a treasure."
But we’re like, "Yeah,
where do we sign up?"
So that is, there
is a spirit to that.
Yeah, there is.
- Okay, so we’ve talked about two lost mines, right?
- There is a really large group of outlaws.
But, you know, there’s another
really large group, now that
I think about it, of outlaws.
You’re absolutely
right. I mean, these are,
these are the biggest
names in outlaw history.
In outlaw... especially
the Old West, yeah.
The-the Dalton Gang.
That story’s unbelievable.
We got Sam Bass,
notorious outlaw.
Butch Cassidy.
Joaquin Murrieta,
the inspiration for Zorro.
I loved all those, too, because
they were outlaws to the
law, but they were oftentimes
heroes to some
of the local people.
Now we have a man who was,
according to some, an outlaw,
according to some, a hero,
but also certainly
a revolutionary.
- Yes.
- A man who influenced,
to a great extent,
Mexican history.
And we got to follow
along in the footsteps of
- Pancho Villa.
- Pancho Villa.
He was a man of the people,
a charismatic leader of
the Mexican Revolution,
but also a notorious outlaw
who plundered millions
from his enemies.
After his assassination in 1923,
Pancho Villa left behind
an incredible legacy,
and according to
many researchers,
a number of buried treasures
between El Paso, Texas,
and Chihuahua, Mexico.
One such verified
location in El Paso,
known as the Villa Stash House,
was raided by U.S.
officials in 1915,
where thousands of
dollars in looted treasure
was recovered
from a hidden safe.
When the customs and
treasury went in there
and they got the safe open,
uh, it was packed
full, it was solid.
So that leads people to
believe that they had more stash
somewhere around that building.
They could’ve buried
it in the backyard.
They could’ve
stashed it in tunnels.
- Hey! - Enrique?
- Enrique?
- Enrique. Nice meeting you.
- When Marty Lagina
and Matty Blake visited the
so-called Stash House this year,
they were joined by current
owner Enrique Guajardo,
along with a team
of treasure hunters
and underground imaging
experts to search for clues
that Villa may have
left much more behind
than what U.S. agents
found over a century ago.
- That looks different.
- That looks real different.
Well, this is... that’s
something there for sure.
It looks like it’s maybe
about four feet wide or so.
- Well, we’re gonna find out soon.
- How about this?
- Let’s get it out.
- Yeah.
How about we quit guessing?
- Yeah.
- Let’s go. Let’s go.
Go get the cutter.
- Let’s go.
- All right.
The team quickly
discovered compelling evidence
that a network of tunnels
was hidden below the house.
- Have a probe, John.
- Let’s probe it.
Whoa.
Look at that.
He went way down in there.
It’s not
consolidated or compacted.
It’s as if somebody
put some fill on there
and just covered it up.
And outside in the yard...
It’s not really a treasure hunt
until Marty Lagina’s
in an excavator.
The team also
helped Enrique to discover
a number of artifacts
potentially connected
to Pancho Villa.
I think there’s something there.
- You think that’s a coin?
- Yeah. Oh, wow.
Oh, my God. It
does look like a coin.
Wait, you just found that?
You two just found
that with your eyes?
- Well, we both kind of saw it at the same...
- Yeah.
- It came up from a pretty far depth.
- Oh, it is smaller, yes.
It’s got a lot of patina.
Marty, it’s green.
- I know what this is.
- What?
That would be a Mexican
penny, my friends.
Can you see a date?
1905.
That puts it right in the
time frame we want it.
We’re on the trail
of Pancho Villa!
It’s a very powerful
experience to stand there
in his stash house.
And we knew we
were in his stash house.
It wasn’t like some of
these other things where,
well, maybe this is where
it happened, maybe it isn’t.
- That’s right.
- No, no. We were in one of his hideouts.
- That’s right.
- And there are good reasons
to think he stowed stuff away
because he was the sort of
guy who would hedge his bets,
- for sure.
- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
And I-I think, uh,
there’s a good chance
that some of his loot
is still somewhere.
We didn’t find it.
I think what Gypsy
found that day...
I mean, we were hot.
It was a lot of searching,
- a lot of digging we did.
- Really hot.
I think it’s gonna
be one of those finds
that, over time, we realize
how important it was.
- The little centavo.
- Mm-hmm.
Yeah, well, it was period.
- It was period.
- It was very... And the button.
And the button.
- Got something.
- Hold on. She’s got something.
Look.
- What is that?
- It’s got a nice green
- patina to it.
- Oh, my God, it’s bright green.
Yeah.
Oh.
- Is that a design?
- I think it might be.
- It’s a button.
- Oh, it is.
And it is looking like
a military button of that era.
This is a military-type button
with what we believe to
be an American design,
and it appears to be
from the time frame
that Pancho Villa was back here.
Now, we know for a fact
Pancho Villa was wheeling and
dealing with American officials.
So did we just find
evidence of Pancho Villa
cutting a deal with
an American official
in his own backyard
of his own stash house?
This is great. Great find!
- All right!
- Awesome.
It fits to the narrative exactly
that he was
standing in that yard
probably cutting deals
with military officials.
- Had to be, yeah.
- Had to be.
I mean, that puts
Pancho Villa right there.
But I agree with
you, there’s just
way too much history there.
He was dumping way too much
cash, treasure, gold
at different places.
But, you know, I think this is
a thing that we can continue
to pursue if you
guys are interested
because I can
guarantee you this:
- Enrique is standing...
- Enrique is still all in.
In the doorway of that
house with a jackhammer
waiting for you guys to return,
so if you do want to go back,
- I think it’d be good.
- Yeah, I...
I would pursue that farther.
That was a fun one.
So good. I loved it.
Well, I’ll tell you what.
I missed both of you,
our first year doing this,
uh, when I went to Utah
and I met a shadowy group
called the Knights
of the Golden Circle.
- I-I had heard maybe once...
- Mm-hmm.
Or twice... I knew
nothing about them.
And I learned a lot about
them, maybe a little too much,
on that trip.
And I met, uh, Warren Getler,
who wrote an incredible
book about it detailing that
someone had found gold,
Confederate gold, using
this system of following
clues that this Knights
of the Golden Circle left.
- Mm-hmm.
- And their aim was
to create a new South,
to rise up again someday
if they had lost
the Confederacy.
Oh, absolutely.
After the Confederacy’s defeat
in the American Civil War,
a secret society known as
the Knights of the Golden Circle
made plans to form a
new pro-slavery nation
encompassing parts
of the Southern states,
Mexico and Central America.
According to researchers,
one of the key
leaders of the KGC
was the outlaw Jesse James,
who reportedly led the
effort to hide deposits of gold
and weaponry throughout
the Southern and
Western United States.
Their primary goal was
the perpetuation of
the institution of slavery.
After the end of the Civil War,
they essentially went
underground and continued
to perpetuate their
ideas as a secret society.
I’m really excited to see
what it looks like in person.
In 2019, Matty Blake joined
author Warren Getler
in Fillmore, Utah.
- Oh, wow.
- Wow.
- Look at that.
- Holy moly.
That’s classic KGC.
Warren, who
has spent more than 30 years
researching the organization
and documenting recoveries
of believed KGC loot,
had been contacted
by local treasure hunter
- Holly Remkes...
- Well, look at this.
Who found
what she suspected to be
evidence of buried KGC
treasure near her home.
- Oh, wow.
- This looks like it’s saying
- to go to the same place.
- Yeah.
- If that’s a directional marker it’s pointing...
- Mm-hmm.
- Let’s check it out.
- Yeah. Let’s check it out.
One of the best
ways to prove that the KGC theory
that we’re putting
forward is true
is to show that these codes
lead to gold being recovered.
It’s actually using their
network, their system
of navigation to get
back to these treasures
to recover them.
Oh.
That is some
panel. Look at that.
- Wow.
- What does this mean?
- Is that a bullet hole?
- I think it is.
I mean, it looks like
it. This looks like...
Look where
it is, too, in his chest.
- Right in the heart.
- That’s scary. - Yeah.
Hey, look at that.
I know. You see that?
- Look under your arm there.
- Oh.
- That is...
- Is that a hook?
That’s the JJ. That’s
the backward JJ.
That is the ultimate
Jesse James sign.
Now, this is historical fact,
you know, he details in the book
that we captured someone
who was a Confederate soldier
who had a book like
this with all their codes
and symbols and handshakes,
so we know that they existed.
Now, did they stash gold
all over the American
Southwest and other places?
That’s up for debate.
In at least one point they did
because somebody found it.
- Correct? Yeah.
- Somebody found it.
Let’s go from one
that was, uh, scary
and perhaps has some
sort of evil taint to it
to one that’s
wholesome as can be.
And-and I wish
Rick had been there,
and that of course was
- the riverboat.
- Ah.
The riverboat escapade.
Treasures of the
Steamboat Arabia Museum
right there, Marty.
- That’s pretty impressive.
- Sure is.
Of the numerous mysteries
that the Laginas and
Matty have pursued
to unearth lost history and
valuables beyond Oak Island...
Welcome to Kansas
City. I’m Dave.
Perhaps none have proven
more fruitful than their
adventure with David Hawley.
Born and raised in
Kansas City, Missouri,
David has spent the
last three decades
searching for sunken
19th century riverboats,
which served as America’s major
supplier of goods and valuables
prior to the railroad industry
and modern transport vehicles.
It is very cool.
I mean, this... Just
this is impressive.
Yeah, yeah. So what
you see here is rebuilt.
In 1988, David
and a team discovered the Arabia,
a steamboat that sank in the
Missouri River back in 1856.
For the excavation
of the Arabia to be successful,
we had to dig it in the winter.
There was big surprises like
food products that survived,
pickles and pie fillings
that you could still eat.
Barrels of butter
that still smelled fresh.
There was clothing
of all types and shoes.
We found 4,000 boots and shoes.
We found cooking utensils
and beautiful sets of dishware.
- Look at this.
- Guns and knives,
and by the time we’d
finished it four months later,
no one was talking
about selling the collection.
We began the excavation
November the 13th, 1988.
The museum opened up
November the 13th of 1991,
three years to the day.
So this is the lower
part of the boat
where the freight came from.
Would you like to see the cargo?
- Let’s go.
- Let’s go see it.
I’d love to see it.
In 2021, Marty
and Matty visited David Hawley
and his son Matt at their
museum in Kansas City
that houses the recovered
cargo from the Arabia.
We’re going into a room
that we call our General Store.
Wow.
Matt, uh, is it fair to say
a lot of the things we’ve
seen when we walked by
would have ended up in a
store just like this for sale?
- Is that what was happening?
- Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, most of the stuff was
going up for general stores
just for resale, so
that’s why you see
- so many of the same thing.
- That’s what I was wondering.
It was going up for
folks for the winter.
They were the 18 wheelers of
the day, just sending stuff up.
Yeah, and the, and
the quality of this stuff.
I mean, we’re talking about
the frontier, right, at this point?
And people are
still wanting quality
- and they’re still willing to pay for it.
- People were people.
- Yeah.
- They wanted nice things.
They had to be carrying alcohol.
Did you find anything like that?
In the boat, downstairs
in the cargo hold, trapped,
filled with mud and water,
were cases of champagnes
and cognac and gin
like you see over there.
- Wow.
- Well, I’ll tell you what, guys.
I have, I have treasure envy.
- Coming from you, that’s a compliment.
- Yeah, well...
- That is awesome.
- It’s-it’s spectacular.
- Hi, guys.
- How are you?
After touring David’s museum,
Marty and Matty assisted him
to search for a steamboat wreck
known as the Malta,
which sank in the
Missouri River back in 1841.
You can feel the boat just
rumbling under your feet, right?
Here’s the thing, Dave.
I can’t even see the river.
However, because
the river has shifted hundreds of feet
since the boat
sank, it is now buried
more than 30 feet
beneath a cornfield.
- You’re pretty sure it’s here?
- We’re absolutely sure it’s here.
How can you say that?
Part of what you do
before you dig a boat,
because it’s so very expensive,
you got to go down into the boat
and bring something
to the surface.
You got to see something.
- And you have?
- We did.
Oh, my.
- No way.
- Oh, yeah.
- You got that in one single core?
- One time.
What we need to do now
is find the front of the boat.
Then what we’re
gonna do is lay it out,
put a chalk on it,
and there’s your boat.
All right, let’s get after it.
There’s our
spot right there, Jared.
- All righty.
- Make a hole.
What David
is looking for is wood.
And if that starts coming up,
he knows he’s in the right spot,
and then he can
measure it from there.
- I think we’re here.
- Okay.
That’s it.
Yeah.
- That’s it.
- Let’s go!
Before he
gets to dig that thing up,
a fairly accurate outline of
the boat is absolutely crucial
if you’re gonna do this right.
It’s so much more concrete than
what we deal with on Oak Island.
I mean, it’s gratifying.
We found something.
There it is.
There’s the outline.
It’s there. It’s
right below there.
Here we go.
- There it is. - Lime toast.
- Lime toast.
Yeah!
We got us a boat.
A genuine Missouri steamboat.
And, you know, one
of the really cool things
about his mission
is he’s got a dream
to find one of these riverboats
every decade from
the 1820s to the 1870s.
- That’s almost visionary.
- It’s visionary.
- No, it is visionary.
- That’s exactly.
- You’re right.
- Well, look, all I can say is,
you know, I’m-I’m, again,
appreciative and envious.
- - You know?
- Hey, he invited us back.
So I’m sure you’re
part of the mission.
I’m in. I’m in.
Hey, you’re jealous
because Matty
and I got to unearth
an amazing and
historical riverboat,
but I’m jealous ’cause you
went chasing after Peter Easton.
In the early months of 1612,
three ships belonging
to the notorious English
pirate Peter Easton
were attacked near Harbor
Grace in Newfoundland, Canada,
by rival French
Basque buccaneers.
The confrontation took place
just as Easton was
returning to the area,
hauling a massive
cargo of riches
that he himself had just
looted on the high seas.
Although most records of
the battle have gone missing,
some believe that at
least one of Easton’s ships
sank during the conflict,
resulting in a vast cache
of treasure being lost
at the bottom of the harbor.
In August of 2021,
Rick and Matty joined
diver Tony Sampson
and researcher Bill
Smith on a quest to find
the sunken riches.
You have a clear look
at them now, Kenny?
- Yeah, we do.
- Great.
Do you see a target yet or no?
Just still hard to say.
This looks like
a possible target because
it’s kind of long and narrow.
Let me take a closer
look at it. Here we go.
See the shadow
here. Right there.
- Right here. Right?
- Oh, wow, yeah.
That’s cannon-like.
Sure looks like it.
Come on, baby. Come on, baby.
Rick.
Come on, baby.
This is phenomenal.
Here’s the thing, though.
If there’s one,
there’s probably more.
We’re onto something else.
- Yep. Hey, hey, hey, guys, we got a second one.
- What?
- We got a second one.
- A second one?
My goodness, look at that.
- Oh, my God.
- Oh, my God. Whoa!
- We did it.
- Holy geez, look at that.
Oh, they did it!
- Well done, guys.
- Wow!
You know, there was one
unexpected thing that had
nothing to do with the actual,
you know, treasure
hunt part of it,
but has all to do
with the people.
And that was our
becoming official members
of the community of Newfoundland
and our screeching ceremony.
I’ve heard a lot about this.
Have you?
Hey, mate.
Rick and Matty
may not have come home
with any of Peter
Easton’s plunder,
but they did share a
priceless experience,
nonetheless, as they
took part in a ceremony
that made them both
honorary Newfoundlanders.
Rick, I’m gonna
ask you a question.
Does you
want to be a Newfoundlander?
Indeed, I does, me old cock,
- and long may your big jib draw.
- Nicely done.
Well
said. Excellent.
That’s well said, sir.
We’ve got for you,
now that you’ve said the
words, a shot of authentic
Newfoundland screech.
Wow.
I name you, Rick Lagina,
honorary Newfoundlander,
and long may your big jib draw.
- Thanks so much.
- Yes.
Honorary
Newfoundlanders you is now.
Cheers, boys.
- We’re Newfoundlanders.
- That’s right.
So we thought that we
should do something for you.
Oh, boy.
And you must participate,
’cause when we were
in the tavern, right?
There was no backing down.
- Uh-uh.
- Once in, all in.
- Once in, all in. Once and forever.
- What have you got here?
- I will, I will read this first.
- All right.
I’m ready.
"From the western side
to Smith’s Cove shore,
"we’ve always stuck together
"with a bobby-dazzler
and top pocket score.
"To those who have never been,
"they shall soon understand.
"From the war room
to the Money Pit,
"we raise a toast.
We love thee, Oak Island."
To which you must respond...
"Indeed I is me, all acorns,
and long may
our drill bar drop?"
Sempre avanti!
What is this?
Go for it.
All the way
down, all the way down,
all the way down.
- Well done.
- Yeah, you’ve been "Oaked In."
You’ve been "Oaked In."
What did that taste like?
It’s awful.
You know what it
is? It’s three drinks
that you... two of which you
like and one which you tolerate.
- One, coffee in the morning.
- That’s... Yeah.
- Wine, of course.
- Of course.
And Dr. P.
No, that’s beautiful, you
guys. Much appreciated.
- You’re "Oaked In."
- You’re "Oaked In."
I want to put us on the spot.
Of all the adventures
we’ve done,
I want to find out
what you guys think is
your biggest
takeaway of all of them.
That’s what I want to know.
- That’s tough.
- Sorry.
My overall takeaway
is that there’s a
big world out there.
There’s an infinite
amount of treasures.
- Oh, my. - No way.
- Oh, yeah.
There’s an infinite amount
of interesting people
to interact with.
And did you find gold
over there yourself?
I wouldn’t tell you if I did.
I’m thankful that
association with you guys
and everybody else has
enabled that to open my world.
Thank you, Texas!
All right, Matty, find it, baby.
- Here we go!
- Come on!
That’s my takeaway.
That’s awesome. That’s awesome.
It’s always about the people.
And life sometimes
doesn’t give you the
opportunity to chase the things
that you really want
to learn about, right?
You have to make a
conscious decision.
And that’s what these
treasure hunters do.
We are right on
a big target here.
Let’s get them in the water.
They make a conscious decision
to commit their time and
their energy in pursuit of that.
That could have been fired by
Butch Cassidy or one
of the gang members.
- Yeah. Yeah.
- Sweet!
I am grateful
for all those people
and most appreciative
in particular
of the people that we’ve met
on this journey we’ve been on.
We want to go
past the lighthouse.
I do believe that
you’re onto something,
and what I would
really like to do
is dig one scoop of
dirt in there and say
that I participated in
Hoppy Eubanks’s adventure.
All right. It’s official.
Without the people
who chase history, much is lost.
You need to see what’s
around the corner from us.
Oh, wow, I see it!
You know, the
fact that they’re out there
doing these real quests.
There it is.
- Lime toast.
- Lime toast.
I admire that.
- Oh, my God!
- Oh, wow!
- There is it.
- Holy geez, look at that.
Ha, they did it.
I’m so glad you guys did this.
I-I think from sitting
in my perspective,
watching you guys do this, um,
I think it’s energized
you and invigorated you.
And you get to spend time
with other people
in a similar pursuit.
And when you come
back to the island,
you come back here,
I see it in your step.
You’ve got a pep in your step.
And I think it’s been
really valuable to you guys.
You know, Matty, I think you,
I think you’re onto
something there.
It does energize you,
seeing other people in
their quests, you know.
It does give you some
new, some new, uh, force
to go forth and-and
go after your own quest.
And so, let’s do that.
We’ve got one right
here on Oak Island.
Let’s get back to it.
Let’s do that very thing.
Onto the next adventure.
There’s an infinite amount,
we all just agreed.
treasure central.
On Beyond Oak Island...
What are some of your favorite
adventures that we’ve been on?
You went chasing
after Peter Easton.
We all kind
of have a pirate spirit.
Every one of
these is larger than life.
- Outlaws.
- Jesse James.
- Butch Cassidy.
- Joaquin Murrieta,
the inspiration for Zorro.
We’re on
the trail of Pancho Villa.
- You’re pretty sure it’s here?
- We’re absolutely sure it’s here.
- The Lost Dutchman Mine.
- No way.
Are you kidding me,
mate? Is that gold?
I have treasure envy.
No way.
Sempre avanti!
All the while we
were growing up,
my brother and I were
fascinated with finding treasure.
Pirate treasure,
cursed treasure.
Civil War gold.
Since then,
our work on Oak Island
has shown us there’s
a world of mysteries...
- Whoa.
- Waiting to be explored.
So, we like to reach
out to other treasure hunters.
X marks the spot,
right there. Brilliant.
- We want to hear their stories...
- That’s right.
- And share our insights.
- "Ill-gotten gains."
- And who knows...
- I got it.
Maybe we can help
them with their search.
Not only in America.
Wow. That is gold.
- But all over the world.
- Yeah!
Beyond Oak Island.
I think it’s so incredible how
we’ve gone beyond
Oak Island, as we say,
but it kind of keeps coming
back to Oak Island in a way.
There’s-there’s common
threads with all these adventures
and mysteries and stories
that we end up taking back
here, uh, and vice versa,
like I’ve seen you guys
talk to some of these
treasure hunters and say,
"Hey, have you thought of
this? Hey, have you tried this?"
- And I love that.
- Yeah.
That’s like a
thrill for me to see happen.
That’s kind of the impetus
for a good portion of this.
- Yeah.
- That right there.
The other thing that was
most impactful was this
preoccupation that
the information hunt is
integral to any treasure hunt,
and we get that positively
reinforced by everyone.
And I mean everyone,
without exception.
And then you add
in the personalities
and the passions and the
commitments of everyone
and that, too, is consistent.
The other thing that
I find exceedingly
interesting is to ask,
and we have asked
every one of them,
"How did you get started?"
- Yeah.
- Right? Like, with Gary Drayton.
He was a bottle digger.
- I can’t-can’t say it like he does.
- "Bottle digger."
Right? And then
he slowly evolved.
But that thread stayed constant
and they’d follow that, right?
You bring up Gary
Drayton, you know, and, like,
that was a perfect
way to kick, really,
this whole adventure off,
is to be with Gary
- in his hometown, basically his backyard...
- Yeah.
Uh, where we know
there’s treasure.
It’s one of my favorites.
- I think you guys loved it, too.
- No, absolutely.
- I could still be down there walking on the beach.
- I know.
Well, you know what?
He’s ready to talk to us.
- I got Gary standing by. You want to talk to him?
- Oh, always.
There he is.
- Gary Drayton.
- Gary Drayton.
Hello, chaps.
How are you?
I’m doing fantastic, thanks.
Great.
Always the answer.
Yeah, do you ever
answer differently?
No.
I get to do what
I do for a living...
Metal detecting... and I’m
just over the moon every day.
Every day I wake
up is an opportunity
- to find treasure.
- That’s great.
Well, mate,
we are reminiscing about
looking for treasure with you
in your own backyard
when we were
doing some detecting for
the 1715 Treasure Fleet.
Um, how was that for you,
having us come down there
and crash your,
uh, your hometown?
It was brilliant. I’d
looked forward to it
for a heck of a
long time because
I spend a lot of time in
Rick and Marty’s backyard
on the island.
And so, to have
you guys come down
and play in my sandbox,
looking for treasure,
was a fantastic experience.
This is it,
guys, treasure central.
Early in
2021, Rick, Marty, and Matty
traveled to Sebastian,
Florida to join Gary Drayton’s
own personal quest to
recover lost riches connected
to the 1715 Spanish
Treasure Fleet.
We could find
anything on this beach
from way past the
condos down there
to the second
flagpole to the south.
Consisting of 12
galleons loaded with Indigenous artifacts
made of gold, silver, and jewels
as well as minted coins
worth billions of
dollars in today’s value...
the Spanish Treasure
Fleet was destroyed
off the Atlantic
coast of Florida...
by a massive hurricane
on July 24, 1715.
Although more than
two-thirds of the treasure
has been salvaged over
the past two centuries,
some experts estimate
that nearly $1 billion
in sunken valuables
have yet to be recovered.
During the past two decades,
while searching the
area of Vero Beach
with his metal detector,
Gary has found more
than a million dollars’
worth of the treasure,
which is continually
washed into shore
by seasonal storms.
- Let’s find some stuff.
- All right!
- Show them what you got.
- Yeah, I’m feeling good.
While on
their adventure with Gary,
the team recovered a number
of potentially historic finds.
Oh!
That looks old, Rick.
I think you might
have a boat spike
- or a part of a boat spike.
- Wow.
Hello, sir. I’m Marty Lagina.
- How are you?
- I’m John.
- Hi, John.
- Nice to meet you.
We believe we’ve found a
couple of, hopefully, artifacts.
After conducting their search,
they had them analyzed
by renowned archaeologist
Dr. John de Bry.
And I’m glad you found this
because this is really rare.
This is absolutely
the head of a spike.
This definitely is
- from the 1715 Fleet.
- Well done, Matty.
Absolutely.
That’s fantastic.
Well, we found a piece
of the 1715 Fleet Galleon.
I learned how to do this move
from the best in the business.
Oh, this hurts, this hurts.
I’m gonna go ahead and
say, I’m still one to nothing.
I got it right here.
- What do you do? Carry that thing around with you?
- I sure do.
I think I might make
a necklace out of it.
You should put it
on a chain, yeah.
You know,
the biggest takeaway for
me on that expedition, Gary,
was to stand on that beach
and then do what you do,
which is to look out and imagine
these 20- and 30-foot waves
and the wind running
110 miles an hour
and these terrified people.
Uh, you know, you
can’t get quite the picture
in your mind
without being there,
but you sure can conjure it
up standing on that beach.
I got to actually
see it in live time
when I went back with
John Brandon and his...
- Oh, yeah, that’s right.
- Treasure salvaging operations.
We were on that boat.
That day started, it was a hot,
beautiful, sunny Florida day,
and like that, it... That
weather rolled in on us
and it got nasty,
and I said to John, like,
"Wow, I can see now
how they could have
got caught here."
Gentlemen,
how are you? Matty Blake.
Several weeks
after working with Gary Drayton
on the beach...
Let’s get out there
and find some treasure.
Matty Blake returned to join
renowned treasure
hunter John Brandon...
This target looks very exciting.
And his team of
professional salvagers to search
for more evidence
of the 1715 Fleet
in the waters nearly a mile
off the Florida coastline.
Did you say big hit? Repeat.
Big hit?
During his second trip
to Florida’s so-called
Treasure Coast, Matty
helped John and his team
recover numerous 18th
century ship-related artifacts.
I see it, I see it.
Wow! Look at that.
It’s a ring off a spar off
one of the crossbeams on the galleon
and it definitely
looks like it’s period,
I mean, it definitely looks
like it’s... it’s from the wreck.
Couple this with the three
iron spikes that were found
a little bit earlier, you can’t
get clues any better than that,
I mean, that’s what
you’re out here looking for.
The only other clues
you get that are better
is if you actually find
the treasure in the hole.
I love it.
That is a big squall there.
Well, we’re gonna get dumped on.
But unfortunately,
a treacherous approaching storm
halted their efforts before any
treasure could be discovered.
Pull that anchor up.
- Get it?
- Got it.
- All right!
- Oh!
The storm came up like that.
The sky got dark,
you felt like someone put on
an air conditioner all of a sudden.
We were all hot and all of a
sudden we’re all freezing cold.
Yeah, that’s a nasty,
look at that rain.
We’ve got to get
this other anchor up
without getting electrocuted.
When an experienced
sailor tells you
we have to move right
now or we’re in danger
of getting electrocuted,
I’m off the water.
Oh, geez!
Shortly after Matty left,
Mike made a big discovery
to the south of where we
had Matty out on the wreck.
You just missed
a treasure trove.
- Oh, my God.
- Look at that.
So this piece is, in fact,
silver, but it’s also, uh,
has a gold wash on it.
I don’t know if
you guys can tell.
It appears to
depict the Madonna.
Wow.
The following week,
John and his colleague
Mike Perna shared
via videoconference
what their team had found
just after Matty’s departure.
I’ll show you one of the gold
coins that we wound up finding.
It’s very similar to what
John’s wearing around his neck.
- Look at that.
- Look at the cross.
So this is an eight escudo.
And this particular coin was
minted in Mexico City in 1714.
It-it was a
very, very significant find
numismatically off the
1715 Fleet shipwrecks.
- Beautiful.
- Yep.
It kind of gives you hope.
They’re still finding stuff
from this wreck
that has been known
- since they lost it.
- Yes.
So, Gary, listen.
I want to say this.
Thank you for letting us
come down to your sandbox.
Thank you for showing
us a real-world adventure
and a real-world treasure site.
And I tell you this, mate.
Uh, with $750
million still out there,
we would like to come back.
You’re welcome, guys,
and as they say
around these parts,
"Y’all come back now."
You know, an adventure
that Gary here got to go on
by himself that we didn’t,
is this Lost Dutchman Mine,
uh, so famous and iconic.
And we obviously
sent the right guy
’cause he actually
came up with gold.
One of the best orders
you guys ever gave me:
"Can you go out looking
for a lost gold mine?"
I think everybody
grows up with that.
- Everybody’s heard of it.
- The Lost Dutchman Mine.
I mean, it doesn’t get
more romantic than that.
That’s the thing,
when you go to the
Superstition Mountains,
you meet some legendary
Dutch hunters searching
for the Lost Dutchman’s gold.
50 miles east of Phoenix,
the majestic
Superstition Mountains
tower over the Arizona desert.
For nearly two centuries,
the area has been home
to one of the richest and
darkest treasure legends
of the American Southwest:
the Lost Dutchman Mine.
It all began in the
1840s, when a wealthy
Spanish family
named the Peraltas,
who had mined
several tons of gold,
were killed by members of
the Indigenous Apache Nation.
The Apache took the gold ore
back into the mountain, and
there they hid it somewhere.
To this day the gold is
somewhere in the mountain.
Two decades
later, a German immigrant
by the name of Jacob Waltz
reportedly found the mine
and its hidden riches.
But after his death,
the location of the mine
has remained a
tantalizing mystery
for many determined
treasure hunters,
and a deadly trap for
a number of others.
And the beautiful
thing about that area
is, there’s gold out there
that just washes down
from the mountains.
We collected some materials
and I got a lesson
from one of the best,
Bob Schoose, a
legendary Dutch hunter.
This is where all the
floodwater comes through.
It brings the gold down.
They get hung in the crevices.
In 2020, Gary
Drayton traveled to Goldfield, Arizona
at the base of the
Superstition Mountains,
where he met with Bob Schoose...
Get as much material as you can,
and we’ll check it.
A man who has
spent more than five decades
looking for the Lost
Dutchman Mine.
- I keep seeing shiny things.
- Yeah.
- You know what you’re seeing there, don’t you?
- Yep.
It’s a leaverite.
What, "leave it
right in the ground
’cause it’s not what
we’re looking for"?
Yeah. You got it.
Think we got
enough stuff yet, Bob?
Yeah, we got enough
for a good test.
All right, sink her down good
and shake and shake and shake,
and that’s the trick.
And then you kind of just
wash a little of the top off,
- like this.
- Okay.
Oh.
Are you kidding me, mate?
- I-Is that gold?
- Yeah.
That sure looks
like a little speckle.
Yeah! Oh, my God, this is gold?
- Looks like it.
- That is bloody fantastic.
- Check it out.
- It looks good.
Yeah, I think you got a bit.
Superstition gold!
That is fantastic.
And I’ve got to ask the
million-dollar question, mate.
In your opinion...
- I knew you’d get around to it.
- Where do you
think the Lost Dutchman Mine is?
Well, my theory is,
it’s right over here.
Wait a minute. You
know where it is?
You can see it from down here.
Right out there,
just to the right
of that funny-shaped peak.
Did you find gold
over there yourself?
I wouldn’t tell you if I did.
You are one wily
old treasure hunter, mate.
Gary, Where do you
put the Lost Dutchman Mine now
in terms of its solvability
and how much progress
has been made?
Is it something
you’d like to revisit?
Definitely I’d love
to go back out there
and I will do one day.
And I have no doubt
that it’s out there.
My toes are tingling now
just thinking about treasure,
but I’ve actually got to go
and give a lesson to a client.
Show them how to find
treasure on the
Treasure Coast of Florida.
Well, they couldn’t have a
better teacher, brother, so...
- Exactly. - Exactly.
- Go get them.
- See you later, chaps.
- See you soon, buddy.
I mean,
- he’s the best there is.
- Yeah, he’s fun.
He’s always so
enthusiastic, but, you know,
Rick has pointed out
common denominators.
I want to point out one.
Every one of these little
adventures we’ve gone on,
the treasure or significant
parts of the treasure
- are still out there.
- Still out there.
And that’s kind of fun.
You know, you’re exactly right,
and that brings to
mind another treasure
that’s got a lot of
parallels to that one.
And equally interesting,
the Lost San Saba Mine
and Hoppy Eubanks.
Man, what-what
an incredible character.
Yes, from the minute you walked
in that house and sat down
at the table with him, he was,
you know, uh, larger than life.
- Howdy, sir. I’m Marty.
- I’m Hoppy.
- Hi, Hoppy.
- I’m Rick, nice to meet you.
Of the new friendships
that Rick, Marty
and Matty have made
while joining the quests
of other treasure hunters,
one of the strongest was
with Alfred "Hoppy" Eubanks.
With a career that
spanned more than 50 years,
Hoppy had searched for
treasure across the United States,
recovering valuables
and even rare documents
connected to the
Revolutionary War.
- All right.
- Early last year,
Rick, Marty and Matty
traveled to Stephenville, Texas
to help Hoppy realize his dream
of locating one of the most
legendary lost Spanish gold
mines in the American West.
Okay, so, Hoppy, tell us what
you think you’ve found here.
Really?
Wow.
Okay, let’s go get it.
Hoppy and
his friend Ted Underwood
showed them a
number of rock carvings
of potential Spanish origin.
This here is your face rock,
and you go 13 foot
and it puts you
right down there.
And even compelling evidence...
that Hoppy was close to
finding the vast treasure.
Hoppy, what’s your best
guess of what depth it is
from where you’re
standing right now?
- Six foot.
- Well, you’re close.
Huh.
Now I’m getting excited
because everything’s
lining up with Hoppy’s theory.
I’m in now. I want to dig.
If it were me, I’d grab
that shovel and that pick
and I would dig that tonight.
How about taking a probe bar
and just pounding
it down five feet?
Why not?
Sure.
You believe that
there’s something
down there that is not...
That’s my question, right.
But I do want to do one thing
because I do believe
that you’re onto something.
So, with your permission,
what I would really like
to do is take that shovel
and just dig one
scoop of dirt in there
and say that I participated
in Hoppy Eubanks’s
and Ted Underwood’s adventure.
This is where the signals were,
so I’m gonna take a
big scoop right here.
But sadly,
Hoppy Eubanks’ quest
for the Lost San Saba Mine
came to an end on
January 22, 2022
when he passed
away at the age of 82.
You know, there is
another consistent thread
through all of these, that
weaves through all of these.
Every one of these
individuals associated with this
are larger-than-life
personalities.
- Every single one of them.
- Seems like it.
True.
I think anyone who
becomes "enraveled"
in one way or another
with a treasure hunt
or a treasure quest
is larger-than-life.
It just, it makes
you that person.
- Right?
- Yeah.
I-I feel only about sort of
the normal-sized life.
Well, I don’t
know, we’re all kind of,
we all kind of have like
a pirate spirit a little bit.
You know, a lot of
people would say...
- Yeah, I think that’s correct.
- "No, I don’t want to dig around
"in the 100-degree
heat and open up a floor
for rumor of a treasure."
But we’re like, "Yeah,
where do we sign up?"
So that is, there
is a spirit to that.
Yeah, there is.
- Okay, so we’ve talked about two lost mines, right?
- There is a really large group of outlaws.
But, you know, there’s another
really large group, now that
I think about it, of outlaws.
You’re absolutely
right. I mean, these are,
these are the biggest
names in outlaw history.
In outlaw... especially
the Old West, yeah.
The-the Dalton Gang.
That story’s unbelievable.
We got Sam Bass,
notorious outlaw.
Butch Cassidy.
Joaquin Murrieta,
the inspiration for Zorro.
I loved all those, too, because
they were outlaws to the
law, but they were oftentimes
heroes to some
of the local people.
Now we have a man who was,
according to some, an outlaw,
according to some, a hero,
but also certainly
a revolutionary.
- Yes.
- A man who influenced,
to a great extent,
Mexican history.
And we got to follow
along in the footsteps of
- Pancho Villa.
- Pancho Villa.
He was a man of the people,
a charismatic leader of
the Mexican Revolution,
but also a notorious outlaw
who plundered millions
from his enemies.
After his assassination in 1923,
Pancho Villa left behind
an incredible legacy,
and according to
many researchers,
a number of buried treasures
between El Paso, Texas,
and Chihuahua, Mexico.
One such verified
location in El Paso,
known as the Villa Stash House,
was raided by U.S.
officials in 1915,
where thousands of
dollars in looted treasure
was recovered
from a hidden safe.
When the customs and
treasury went in there
and they got the safe open,
uh, it was packed
full, it was solid.
So that leads people to
believe that they had more stash
somewhere around that building.
They could’ve buried
it in the backyard.
They could’ve
stashed it in tunnels.
- Hey! - Enrique?
- Enrique?
- Enrique. Nice meeting you.
- When Marty Lagina
and Matty Blake visited the
so-called Stash House this year,
they were joined by current
owner Enrique Guajardo,
along with a team
of treasure hunters
and underground imaging
experts to search for clues
that Villa may have
left much more behind
than what U.S. agents
found over a century ago.
- That looks different.
- That looks real different.
Well, this is... that’s
something there for sure.
It looks like it’s maybe
about four feet wide or so.
- Well, we’re gonna find out soon.
- How about this?
- Let’s get it out.
- Yeah.
How about we quit guessing?
- Yeah.
- Let’s go. Let’s go.
Go get the cutter.
- Let’s go.
- All right.
The team quickly
discovered compelling evidence
that a network of tunnels
was hidden below the house.
- Have a probe, John.
- Let’s probe it.
Whoa.
Look at that.
He went way down in there.
It’s not
consolidated or compacted.
It’s as if somebody
put some fill on there
and just covered it up.
And outside in the yard...
It’s not really a treasure hunt
until Marty Lagina’s
in an excavator.
The team also
helped Enrique to discover
a number of artifacts
potentially connected
to Pancho Villa.
I think there’s something there.
- You think that’s a coin?
- Yeah. Oh, wow.
Oh, my God. It
does look like a coin.
Wait, you just found that?
You two just found
that with your eyes?
- Well, we both kind of saw it at the same...
- Yeah.
- It came up from a pretty far depth.
- Oh, it is smaller, yes.
It’s got a lot of patina.
Marty, it’s green.
- I know what this is.
- What?
That would be a Mexican
penny, my friends.
Can you see a date?
1905.
That puts it right in the
time frame we want it.
We’re on the trail
of Pancho Villa!
It’s a very powerful
experience to stand there
in his stash house.
And we knew we
were in his stash house.
It wasn’t like some of
these other things where,
well, maybe this is where
it happened, maybe it isn’t.
- That’s right.
- No, no. We were in one of his hideouts.
- That’s right.
- And there are good reasons
to think he stowed stuff away
because he was the sort of
guy who would hedge his bets,
- for sure.
- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
And I-I think, uh,
there’s a good chance
that some of his loot
is still somewhere.
We didn’t find it.
I think what Gypsy
found that day...
I mean, we were hot.
It was a lot of searching,
- a lot of digging we did.
- Really hot.
I think it’s gonna
be one of those finds
that, over time, we realize
how important it was.
- The little centavo.
- Mm-hmm.
Yeah, well, it was period.
- It was period.
- It was very... And the button.
And the button.
- Got something.
- Hold on. She’s got something.
Look.
- What is that?
- It’s got a nice green
- patina to it.
- Oh, my God, it’s bright green.
Yeah.
Oh.
- Is that a design?
- I think it might be.
- It’s a button.
- Oh, it is.
And it is looking like
a military button of that era.
This is a military-type button
with what we believe to
be an American design,
and it appears to be
from the time frame
that Pancho Villa was back here.
Now, we know for a fact
Pancho Villa was wheeling and
dealing with American officials.
So did we just find
evidence of Pancho Villa
cutting a deal with
an American official
in his own backyard
of his own stash house?
This is great. Great find!
- All right!
- Awesome.
It fits to the narrative exactly
that he was
standing in that yard
probably cutting deals
with military officials.
- Had to be, yeah.
- Had to be.
I mean, that puts
Pancho Villa right there.
But I agree with
you, there’s just
way too much history there.
He was dumping way too much
cash, treasure, gold
at different places.
But, you know, I think this is
a thing that we can continue
to pursue if you
guys are interested
because I can
guarantee you this:
- Enrique is standing...
- Enrique is still all in.
In the doorway of that
house with a jackhammer
waiting for you guys to return,
so if you do want to go back,
- I think it’d be good.
- Yeah, I...
I would pursue that farther.
That was a fun one.
So good. I loved it.
Well, I’ll tell you what.
I missed both of you,
our first year doing this,
uh, when I went to Utah
and I met a shadowy group
called the Knights
of the Golden Circle.
- I-I had heard maybe once...
- Mm-hmm.
Or twice... I knew
nothing about them.
And I learned a lot about
them, maybe a little too much,
on that trip.
And I met, uh, Warren Getler,
who wrote an incredible
book about it detailing that
someone had found gold,
Confederate gold, using
this system of following
clues that this Knights
of the Golden Circle left.
- Mm-hmm.
- And their aim was
to create a new South,
to rise up again someday
if they had lost
the Confederacy.
Oh, absolutely.
After the Confederacy’s defeat
in the American Civil War,
a secret society known as
the Knights of the Golden Circle
made plans to form a
new pro-slavery nation
encompassing parts
of the Southern states,
Mexico and Central America.
According to researchers,
one of the key
leaders of the KGC
was the outlaw Jesse James,
who reportedly led the
effort to hide deposits of gold
and weaponry throughout
the Southern and
Western United States.
Their primary goal was
the perpetuation of
the institution of slavery.
After the end of the Civil War,
they essentially went
underground and continued
to perpetuate their
ideas as a secret society.
I’m really excited to see
what it looks like in person.
In 2019, Matty Blake joined
author Warren Getler
in Fillmore, Utah.
- Oh, wow.
- Wow.
- Look at that.
- Holy moly.
That’s classic KGC.
Warren, who
has spent more than 30 years
researching the organization
and documenting recoveries
of believed KGC loot,
had been contacted
by local treasure hunter
- Holly Remkes...
- Well, look at this.
Who found
what she suspected to be
evidence of buried KGC
treasure near her home.
- Oh, wow.
- This looks like it’s saying
- to go to the same place.
- Yeah.
- If that’s a directional marker it’s pointing...
- Mm-hmm.
- Let’s check it out.
- Yeah. Let’s check it out.
One of the best
ways to prove that the KGC theory
that we’re putting
forward is true
is to show that these codes
lead to gold being recovered.
It’s actually using their
network, their system
of navigation to get
back to these treasures
to recover them.
Oh.
That is some
panel. Look at that.
- Wow.
- What does this mean?
- Is that a bullet hole?
- I think it is.
I mean, it looks like
it. This looks like...
Look where
it is, too, in his chest.
- Right in the heart.
- That’s scary. - Yeah.
Hey, look at that.
I know. You see that?
- Look under your arm there.
- Oh.
- That is...
- Is that a hook?
That’s the JJ. That’s
the backward JJ.
That is the ultimate
Jesse James sign.
Now, this is historical fact,
you know, he details in the book
that we captured someone
who was a Confederate soldier
who had a book like
this with all their codes
and symbols and handshakes,
so we know that they existed.
Now, did they stash gold
all over the American
Southwest and other places?
That’s up for debate.
In at least one point they did
because somebody found it.
- Correct? Yeah.
- Somebody found it.
Let’s go from one
that was, uh, scary
and perhaps has some
sort of evil taint to it
to one that’s
wholesome as can be.
And-and I wish
Rick had been there,
and that of course was
- the riverboat.
- Ah.
The riverboat escapade.
Treasures of the
Steamboat Arabia Museum
right there, Marty.
- That’s pretty impressive.
- Sure is.
Of the numerous mysteries
that the Laginas and
Matty have pursued
to unearth lost history and
valuables beyond Oak Island...
Welcome to Kansas
City. I’m Dave.
Perhaps none have proven
more fruitful than their
adventure with David Hawley.
Born and raised in
Kansas City, Missouri,
David has spent the
last three decades
searching for sunken
19th century riverboats,
which served as America’s major
supplier of goods and valuables
prior to the railroad industry
and modern transport vehicles.
It is very cool.
I mean, this... Just
this is impressive.
Yeah, yeah. So what
you see here is rebuilt.
In 1988, David
and a team discovered the Arabia,
a steamboat that sank in the
Missouri River back in 1856.
For the excavation
of the Arabia to be successful,
we had to dig it in the winter.
There was big surprises like
food products that survived,
pickles and pie fillings
that you could still eat.
Barrels of butter
that still smelled fresh.
There was clothing
of all types and shoes.
We found 4,000 boots and shoes.
We found cooking utensils
and beautiful sets of dishware.
- Look at this.
- Guns and knives,
and by the time we’d
finished it four months later,
no one was talking
about selling the collection.
We began the excavation
November the 13th, 1988.
The museum opened up
November the 13th of 1991,
three years to the day.
So this is the lower
part of the boat
where the freight came from.
Would you like to see the cargo?
- Let’s go.
- Let’s go see it.
I’d love to see it.
In 2021, Marty
and Matty visited David Hawley
and his son Matt at their
museum in Kansas City
that houses the recovered
cargo from the Arabia.
We’re going into a room
that we call our General Store.
Wow.
Matt, uh, is it fair to say
a lot of the things we’ve
seen when we walked by
would have ended up in a
store just like this for sale?
- Is that what was happening?
- Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, most of the stuff was
going up for general stores
just for resale, so
that’s why you see
- so many of the same thing.
- That’s what I was wondering.
It was going up for
folks for the winter.
They were the 18 wheelers of
the day, just sending stuff up.
Yeah, and the, and
the quality of this stuff.
I mean, we’re talking about
the frontier, right, at this point?
And people are
still wanting quality
- and they’re still willing to pay for it.
- People were people.
- Yeah.
- They wanted nice things.
They had to be carrying alcohol.
Did you find anything like that?
In the boat, downstairs
in the cargo hold, trapped,
filled with mud and water,
were cases of champagnes
and cognac and gin
like you see over there.
- Wow.
- Well, I’ll tell you what, guys.
I have, I have treasure envy.
- Coming from you, that’s a compliment.
- Yeah, well...
- That is awesome.
- It’s-it’s spectacular.
- Hi, guys.
- How are you?
After touring David’s museum,
Marty and Matty assisted him
to search for a steamboat wreck
known as the Malta,
which sank in the
Missouri River back in 1841.
You can feel the boat just
rumbling under your feet, right?
Here’s the thing, Dave.
I can’t even see the river.
However, because
the river has shifted hundreds of feet
since the boat
sank, it is now buried
more than 30 feet
beneath a cornfield.
- You’re pretty sure it’s here?
- We’re absolutely sure it’s here.
How can you say that?
Part of what you do
before you dig a boat,
because it’s so very expensive,
you got to go down into the boat
and bring something
to the surface.
You got to see something.
- And you have?
- We did.
Oh, my.
- No way.
- Oh, yeah.
- You got that in one single core?
- One time.
What we need to do now
is find the front of the boat.
Then what we’re
gonna do is lay it out,
put a chalk on it,
and there’s your boat.
All right, let’s get after it.
There’s our
spot right there, Jared.
- All righty.
- Make a hole.
What David
is looking for is wood.
And if that starts coming up,
he knows he’s in the right spot,
and then he can
measure it from there.
- I think we’re here.
- Okay.
That’s it.
Yeah.
- That’s it.
- Let’s go!
Before he
gets to dig that thing up,
a fairly accurate outline of
the boat is absolutely crucial
if you’re gonna do this right.
It’s so much more concrete than
what we deal with on Oak Island.
I mean, it’s gratifying.
We found something.
There it is.
There’s the outline.
It’s there. It’s
right below there.
Here we go.
- There it is. - Lime toast.
- Lime toast.
Yeah!
We got us a boat.
A genuine Missouri steamboat.
And, you know, one
of the really cool things
about his mission
is he’s got a dream
to find one of these riverboats
every decade from
the 1820s to the 1870s.
- That’s almost visionary.
- It’s visionary.
- No, it is visionary.
- That’s exactly.
- You’re right.
- Well, look, all I can say is,
you know, I’m-I’m, again,
appreciative and envious.
- - You know?
- Hey, he invited us back.
So I’m sure you’re
part of the mission.
I’m in. I’m in.
Hey, you’re jealous
because Matty
and I got to unearth
an amazing and
historical riverboat,
but I’m jealous ’cause you
went chasing after Peter Easton.
In the early months of 1612,
three ships belonging
to the notorious English
pirate Peter Easton
were attacked near Harbor
Grace in Newfoundland, Canada,
by rival French
Basque buccaneers.
The confrontation took place
just as Easton was
returning to the area,
hauling a massive
cargo of riches
that he himself had just
looted on the high seas.
Although most records of
the battle have gone missing,
some believe that at
least one of Easton’s ships
sank during the conflict,
resulting in a vast cache
of treasure being lost
at the bottom of the harbor.
In August of 2021,
Rick and Matty joined
diver Tony Sampson
and researcher Bill
Smith on a quest to find
the sunken riches.
You have a clear look
at them now, Kenny?
- Yeah, we do.
- Great.
Do you see a target yet or no?
Just still hard to say.
This looks like
a possible target because
it’s kind of long and narrow.
Let me take a closer
look at it. Here we go.
See the shadow
here. Right there.
- Right here. Right?
- Oh, wow, yeah.
That’s cannon-like.
Sure looks like it.
Come on, baby. Come on, baby.
Rick.
Come on, baby.
This is phenomenal.
Here’s the thing, though.
If there’s one,
there’s probably more.
We’re onto something else.
- Yep. Hey, hey, hey, guys, we got a second one.
- What?
- We got a second one.
- A second one?
My goodness, look at that.
- Oh, my God.
- Oh, my God. Whoa!
- We did it.
- Holy geez, look at that.
Oh, they did it!
- Well done, guys.
- Wow!
You know, there was one
unexpected thing that had
nothing to do with the actual,
you know, treasure
hunt part of it,
but has all to do
with the people.
And that was our
becoming official members
of the community of Newfoundland
and our screeching ceremony.
I’ve heard a lot about this.
Have you?
Hey, mate.
Rick and Matty
may not have come home
with any of Peter
Easton’s plunder,
but they did share a
priceless experience,
nonetheless, as they
took part in a ceremony
that made them both
honorary Newfoundlanders.
Rick, I’m gonna
ask you a question.
Does you
want to be a Newfoundlander?
Indeed, I does, me old cock,
- and long may your big jib draw.
- Nicely done.
Well
said. Excellent.
That’s well said, sir.
We’ve got for you,
now that you’ve said the
words, a shot of authentic
Newfoundland screech.
Wow.
I name you, Rick Lagina,
honorary Newfoundlander,
and long may your big jib draw.
- Thanks so much.
- Yes.
Honorary
Newfoundlanders you is now.
Cheers, boys.
- We’re Newfoundlanders.
- That’s right.
So we thought that we
should do something for you.
Oh, boy.
And you must participate,
’cause when we were
in the tavern, right?
There was no backing down.
- Uh-uh.
- Once in, all in.
- Once in, all in. Once and forever.
- What have you got here?
- I will, I will read this first.
- All right.
I’m ready.
"From the western side
to Smith’s Cove shore,
"we’ve always stuck together
"with a bobby-dazzler
and top pocket score.
"To those who have never been,
"they shall soon understand.
"From the war room
to the Money Pit,
"we raise a toast.
We love thee, Oak Island."
To which you must respond...
"Indeed I is me, all acorns,
and long may
our drill bar drop?"
Sempre avanti!
What is this?
Go for it.
All the way
down, all the way down,
all the way down.
- Well done.
- Yeah, you’ve been "Oaked In."
You’ve been "Oaked In."
What did that taste like?
It’s awful.
You know what it
is? It’s three drinks
that you... two of which you
like and one which you tolerate.
- One, coffee in the morning.
- That’s... Yeah.
- Wine, of course.
- Of course.
And Dr. P.
No, that’s beautiful, you
guys. Much appreciated.
- You’re "Oaked In."
- You’re "Oaked In."
I want to put us on the spot.
Of all the adventures
we’ve done,
I want to find out
what you guys think is
your biggest
takeaway of all of them.
That’s what I want to know.
- That’s tough.
- Sorry.
My overall takeaway
is that there’s a
big world out there.
There’s an infinite
amount of treasures.
- Oh, my. - No way.
- Oh, yeah.
There’s an infinite amount
of interesting people
to interact with.
And did you find gold
over there yourself?
I wouldn’t tell you if I did.
I’m thankful that
association with you guys
and everybody else has
enabled that to open my world.
Thank you, Texas!
All right, Matty, find it, baby.
- Here we go!
- Come on!
That’s my takeaway.
That’s awesome. That’s awesome.
It’s always about the people.
And life sometimes
doesn’t give you the
opportunity to chase the things
that you really want
to learn about, right?
You have to make a
conscious decision.
And that’s what these
treasure hunters do.
We are right on
a big target here.
Let’s get them in the water.
They make a conscious decision
to commit their time and
their energy in pursuit of that.
That could have been fired by
Butch Cassidy or one
of the gang members.
- Yeah. Yeah.
- Sweet!
I am grateful
for all those people
and most appreciative
in particular
of the people that we’ve met
on this journey we’ve been on.
We want to go
past the lighthouse.
I do believe that
you’re onto something,
and what I would
really like to do
is dig one scoop of
dirt in there and say
that I participated in
Hoppy Eubanks’s adventure.
All right. It’s official.
Without the people
who chase history, much is lost.
You need to see what’s
around the corner from us.
Oh, wow, I see it!
You know, the
fact that they’re out there
doing these real quests.
There it is.
- Lime toast.
- Lime toast.
I admire that.
- Oh, my God!
- Oh, wow!
- There is it.
- Holy geez, look at that.
Ha, they did it.
I’m so glad you guys did this.
I-I think from sitting
in my perspective,
watching you guys do this, um,
I think it’s energized
you and invigorated you.
And you get to spend time
with other people
in a similar pursuit.
And when you come
back to the island,
you come back here,
I see it in your step.
You’ve got a pep in your step.
And I think it’s been
really valuable to you guys.
You know, Matty, I think you,
I think you’re onto
something there.
It does energize you,
seeing other people in
their quests, you know.
It does give you some
new, some new, uh, force
to go forth and-and
go after your own quest.
And so, let’s do that.
We’ve got one right
here on Oak Island.
Let’s get back to it.
Let’s do that very thing.
Onto the next adventure.
There’s an infinite amount,
we all just agreed.