Who Killed Nancy? (2009) - full transcript

LADY: Sid Vicious,
who's real name
is John Simon Ritchie,

was arraigned today
on charges of murder.

He said he felt sick.

His manager was told
that bailing him out

pending trial
would be extremely difficult.

He's an alien,
he's not employed.

And he's given to violent
outbursts of temper.

But his manager said,
and I quote,

"Underneath
that tough exterior,

"there was a real nice guy."

[ WHEN I DIE PLAYING]



* Yes, I've been without
Been down and out

* Out on a limb
With nowhere to go

* I was told it would be
One less thing on my mind

* Not to worry about
All the paying out

* The piles of bills
And final demands

* They'd all be sorted
When I die

* I was going off the rails
No matter how I tried

* If all else fails failed
And part of me just died *

Sid Vicious
will not have to stand trial

for the murder of a girlfriend
at the Chelsea Hotel.

Sid is no longer vicious,
he's dead.

His nude body found in
a Greenwich Village apartment.

Spoon and syringe nearby.

* Then my luck came in
I got a lucky win



* Hundreds of thousands
And thousands of friends

* Had no more
Worries for a time

LADY REPORTER: Yesterday,
police found him
there in room 100.

And on the bathroom floor

they found the 20-year-old
American girl

he'd lived with for two years.

* Can't take it with you
When you die

* I was back on happy trails
I didn't have to try *

MALE REPORTER: Sid Vicious
was awaiting trial

for the murder of his
girlfriend, Nancy Spungen.

It was a murder
so horrific in detail,

only a very sick mind could
have lived with the reality.

The police had no doubt
about the murderer.

"We have the figurative
smoking gun", they said.

[ SICK CITY SOMETIMES PLAYING]

* It's a complicated day

* Busy people on their way

I've always felt
that Sid didn't kill Nancy.

Sid thought he did it.

He actually confessed

to Joe Stevens
that he thought he did it.

DON: The last time I saw them,

Sid's got this knife
about yeah long,

and he's sort of
sticking Nancy with it.

Just gently but, you know,
she's like, "Ow, Sid,
that hurt."

So, I was like, "Sid,
be careful,
someone's gonna get hurt.

I think he did it,
in a moment of madness.

Which Sid obviously
won't remember
because of what he was on.

* Sick city sometimes

* Sick city in your mind

* Sick city sometimes

* Sick city
Left you way behind *

If you've ever been
a heroin addict,

and live with a girlfriend
that was also a heroin addict,

it's hard, I think,
for most people to understand

the dynamic
of how much they lived it.

It doesn't matter
how much you love somebody.

That all goes out the window

when there's drugs involved.

I'm gonna be very honest here,

I was sucked
into heroin thing myself.

* Sick city sometimes

* Sick city in your mind

* Sick city sometimes

KRIS: Probably more fighting
would go on between the couple,

because I would've gone
out to go rat

someone's ass to the cops
and then,

creamed off a bit
on the way home for themselves.

STURGIS: If there's one bag,

and they both need
that one bag to get straight,

because you're sick,

somebody could get hurt.

KRIS: You get sneaky,
devious with the one you love,

but you love them to bits,
but you'd still steal
their drugs.

Um, this did go on
with Sid and Nancy.

And both young,
and narcotics were involved.

A lethal combination.

KRIS: What he was on,
he could easily had, you know,

it really could have
happened that way.

* Sick city sometimes

* Sick city in your mind

* Sick city sometimes

They were both in the nod.

Having been in a few myself,
I'd say he had one of them.

I mean, it was just a bit
worse than usual.

He wasn't aware
of what was happening,

woke up, she was dead.

This is like a nightmare,

this is like right out
of the Twilight Zone episode.

You wake up, there's a knife,
a pool of blood,

and you're girlfriend's
in the bathroom,

stabbed to death.

Well, anybody's gonna think,
"What did I do last night?"

It was too easy just to blame
Sid in the beginning,

and not follow the case up.

I mean, it's amazing
when we think back now,

that the case
wasn't followed up,

most of it. [MUMBLING]

Everybody just assumed
that he was guilty.

Police didn't give a fuck.

When he died, they went on
like, "That's tidy."

Boom, who gives a fuck?

That's how junkies will just
kill themselves, and...

Who gives a fuck?

One thing I know for sure
is he certainly didn't do it.

Sid never, would never
have done that.

And I know that
in my heart of hearts.

[LIE IN BED PLAYING]

* Lying on the floor

* Dreams in your head

* Is there anymore

* Reasons to be dead

* When I-I-I...

* Lie in bed

NARRATOR:
In the evidence photos,

there's a large TV about
two feet in front of the door,

which may or may not
impede entrance.

There are mattresses
around the room

for at least three people.

There's a very clear
blood-stained hand print
on one of them.

And yet in the police file
there is no mention of this.

And for the record,

the bed that Sid
was passed out on,

isn't the one
with the hand print.

According
to the police evidence file,

there were only four
of Sid's fingerprints

in the entire room.

Nancy was stabbed
once in the abdomen,

and it took her
around three hours to pass out,

and bleed to death.

Which means that
after she was stabbed,

she would have been capable
of getting to the room door,

screaming for help.

So, why did she decide

to make her way
to the bathroom

to certain death?

In all the NYPD police reports
and statements

the murder weapon,
the Jaguar K-11 hunting knife,

is left on top of an open
suitcase next to the door.

Wiped clean of any fingerprints
or traces of blood.

ALAN: Detective Kilroy was one
of the arresting officers

when Sid was arrested.

I think,
he was never convinced

it was more than just some mad,
junkie murder.

As far as he was concerned,
it was a smoking gun case.

He'd walked in.

He'd found his killer.

Uh, Sid had "guilty-man"
written all over him.

Even though they had
to slap him around and get him,

something like conscious
to read him his rights.

NARRATOR: In the police report
there's an account

of Sid's response
to questioning on the scene.

It's full of contradictions.

First, he states
he didn't know
what happened to Nancy,

claiming he didn't stab her.

Sid also claims
that he took Tuinal

and slept the night through.

He then confesses
to the murder,

saying that they had
an argument.

Finally, he tells police
it must have been an accident.

Sid also explains
to the police,

that when he initially found
Nancy in the bathroom,

she was still breathing.

And, after washing blood
from her,

he went to the clinic
to get her methadone.

He called the police
on his return.

PETER: Sid was
oblivious to it all.

I mean, he even got up
in the morning,

and went
to the methadone clinic.

That had to be in
the early morning, I think,

the methadone clinic opens
at 6:00 or something like that.

He got his methadone
and came back

before he realized
that she was dead.

That's how, sort of,
far-removed he was.

[PEOPLE WHISPERING]

[GAVEL STRIKING]

STEVE: Malcolm was there.

His mother was there.

And, um, he got bailed.

Pretty soon after,

he got bailed out,
I remember seeing him, um,

down at Max's Kansas City

that particular night
that he actually got out.

There was a little
back-slapping,

and, "Nice to see you Sid,"
and all this from everybody.

Obviously, from the way
he acted over those days,

uh, seemed getting him
into trouble again.

He obviously
wasn't in a good state.

POLICE: What would you
like to have now?

I'd like to have fun.

What sort of fun?

Any kind of fun, just fun.

That is my object in life.

Are you having fun
at the moment?

You kidding?

I'm not having fun at all.

Where would you
like to be?

Under the ground.

Are you serious?

Oh, yeah.

I mean, it was, you know,

silly just to let him out
on the streets,

and, "Where's he gonna go?"

He's gonna go
looking for drugs,

he's gonna, you know,
go to the night clubs,

and hang out in places

where people are just going
to encourage him

to get into some more trouble.

[PEOPLE SHOUTING]

[BOTTLE SMASHING]

Yeah, we decided to go out.
Sid wanted to go out.

I mean, it was about...
We had to get out.

He was stir-crazy.

So we went...
Decided to go to Hurrah's.

I mean, it was empty
and there was a band playing

really, really loud.

There's a scuffle
to my right,

and I'm like,
"What's going on?"

Sid out of nowhere,

I mean, completely out of
context with everything,

smashes the glass
on this guy's face.

There's glass flying
and Peter's going, "Oh, fuck."

I grab him
and we drag him out.

And we're just running.

And we're running out
into the street,

I mean, people are chasing us,
screaming, shouting.

I'm like,
"What the fuck happened?"

You know, "Sid just broke
a freaking glass in..."

We didn't know who it was.

Patti Smith's brother,
of course.

From what people told me,

I know Patti Smith's brother
was a buffoon

and probably deserved anything
that happened to him.

That guy was just
some drunk moron

who, you know,
it was the straw that broke
the camel's back, I think.

It's stupid, but
a 21-year-old crazy boy,

does something
and he goes back to jail.

He didn't think
about that.

End of it.

So much for protecting Sid.
[LAUGHING]

But he was like that,

he could go off
at any moment around,

and that was the thing,
it was a little bit...

You were always like,
"Oh, let's go out,

"oh, what's gonna happen now."

Vicious is in a detention cell
at the Manhattan Criminal
Court building

waiting for friends
to post $50,000 bail.

Sid was due in court
on the first of February.

Um, a really good lawyer
had been hired by now,

James Merberg.

At the expense
of Virgin Records

and the deal that
Malcolm had done

for an album that
they were gonna record.

What no one understood
is just how good Merberg was.

The assumption that glittered
in his management office was

that it would take at least
until the 3rd or 4th
of February,

to get Sid released
on the new bail

that Virgin had posted for him.

Merberg goes in there,

in the morning on the first
and by lunchtime

it's all wrapped up
and done and dusted.

And so, Sid is released

into the waiting arms of

his mother, Anne Beverley,

and his new girlfriend,
Michelle Robinson.

I happened to know
Michelle Robinson since
long before, um, Sid...

She was around in the days

when I was working
with David Bowie.

ALAN: She had a big fixation
on Sid for a long time

and she knew Nancy

from before Nancy
went to England.

The new girlfriend, you know,
that was quick.

Um, very quickly that one.

But, you know,
he needed somebody.

He needed
that sort of emotional prop.

And she fit the bill.

She was a little bit like

the old brand of groupies.

She always dressed candid.

In those days, kind of
in a semi-SNM kind of way.

Lot of leather,
lot of high heels,

lot of hair,
huge amounts of make-up.

She was very glamorous.

She had a very,
very aggressive personality.

And Sid was like the prize.

No matter what condition,
he was Sid Vicious.

He was the trophy.

And they wanted him.

Ultimately if he would've,
you know, not met his

untimely demise,

that was a good situation
for him.

It really was.

We thought he was getting out
that day and, um...

We were going to wait and see
if he was getting out,

and then have a party.
[LAUGHING]

Whee!

I'd gone down
to the courthouse
with, um, Terry Ork.

Somebody comes up to me,
he goes,"Oh, you appeal today."

He goes... I didn't
recognize the person.

He goes... He says,

"You're friend's gonna be
getting out in a minute."

You know, we're friends of Sid.

So, he says,
"If you go downstairs,

"he should coming out
in the next half hour."

I think his mother...
I bumped into his mother next.

And within like 5-10 minutes,
there was Sid.

After that, then we,
you know, were out the door,

were out the back door
of the courthouse

on to the streets.

ALAN: During interviews
with Sid's mother for my book,

she made it plainly obvious

that both
herself and Malcolm

had talked to him
regarding a possible future.

But he seemed to be stuck
in a mantra

regarding joining his Nancy.

[ EARLY GRAVE PLAYING]

* To the man

* To the man

* Of an early grave

So, you know, like any junkie,

uh, you know,
he wanted to get high.

You know what I mean,
that's the first...

Your first thought always.

What a great time
to get high when you're clean.

PETER: I think his mother
picked up some drugs for Sid

and Sid's like, "Have you
got them, you've got them?"

And anyway we go
to the hotel...

We go to this place
where Anne's staying

and he does the drugs
and of course
they are absolutely rubbish.

At this point, you know,
Sid had asked me,

"Oh, can you get me anything,
can you get me anything?"

I'm in a bit of two minds
about what to do.

So anyway I say,
"I'll see what I can do."

I had other things
I had to do that day.

I was, at that point,
living with, uh,

two French hookers,

who were actually heroin
dealers up on 15th street.

But they came out,
he came out with Peter,

looking to score.

And after the fiasco
at Hurrah

with the pain
and the glasses...

I think... I just...

My whole thing...
We knew he was coming over.

It was like we talked.
There was a whole
bunch of us like,

"Let's not sell him anything."

So, the usual channels
were, um, I would...

New people were
probably dealing in it.

Um, nobody really wanted to,
um, get involved.

We had some shit,
but we decided
not to give him any.

So, he came over
looking for that.

And we said, "No, Sid,
we're looking for ourselves."

I don't think
we did a very convincing job.

'Cause I could tell.

He hung his head and went,
"All right, guys." And left.

And that was the last time
I saw him alive.

At that time I felt
like I was doing him a favor.

But then now I wish I'd said,

"Now come
and see what'll I do."

You know, now I feel
like I made a mistake then.

And that's when Peter
was dispatched

by Anne, with Anne's money,

to go and get some more
drugs for Sid.

PETER: Somehow I got
in touch with this woman,

who I didn't know at all.

And somebody had given me
her as a contact.

I went down to see her.

And I got what
I'd been asked to pick up.

ALAN: The things,
what did come back with Peter,

was beyond good.

It was, you know, I think...

It said it was 98% proof
or something.

Which is too pure
for the human body

in any state basically.

About two days later,

I tried to get in touch
with this woman again,

and, uh, this woman
had disappeared.

She was no longer

at the place where I'd met her,
at the apartment I'd met her.

And was nowhere
to be found, really.

I never saw her again.

[PEOPLE CHATTERING]

Oh, my God!

Oh, my...

REPORTER: Donna Floria lived
just across the hall

from the apartment
in which the singer died.

But she would not say whether
she was among the eight people

who attended last night's
party for Sid Vicious.

I was invited to that...

"Party."

Which wasn't really a party,
it was just a few people.

There weren't even
that many people.

Michelle asked
if I could get heroin.

I was like, "I'm not a dealer."

You know, "No, I don't know."

"Well, you're invited
anyway, come.

"You know, Sid's out,"
and da-da, da-da, da...

And, I said,

"Nah, too exhausting for me."

Yeah, it was me
and, like, my best friend

and there was Jerry Only
from the Misfits.

Um, and Eileen, three of us.

And then just Michelle
and Anne and Sid, that was it.

MAN: Who was in the flat
when you got back?

Just, uh, Sid's mother,
Sid and Michelle

And I went to the apartment
probably at about...

I would say no earlier
than about 7:00

and no later than about 8:30.

No one came in, they came by.

You know, to make deliveries,
but they didn't come in.

I don't know
what they said, but...

I was there until
about 1:32 in the morning.

HOWIE: None of us had ever
mentioned Peter Kodick's name,

I always left that out because

I didn't know where he is
or what trouble he was in.

I didn't want to make
his life miserable,

and just in case, you know.

ALAN: Twenty-nine
and three-quarter years later.

That's 63 Bank street.

HOWIE: Weirdsville.

I remember it
a little differently.

It doesn't resemble.

HOWIE: I thought this was...

I think the living room came
more up to here maybe.

The living room was right up
next to the kitchen.

ALAN: It was like a small...

What would you call it,
probably like bed steps.

Um, the apartment in New York.

And there was a big...
There was a couch
going along here.

And nothing here.

'Cause I remember
when those guys came
through the door,

you could see them
from sitting here, you know.

PETER: There is, what you call
a front room,

with a kitchen in it.

And a bathroom, that was it.

[GASPS] Wow!

This is the same.

Wow!

I mean, basically
small, small bedroom.

She had a bed where
her and Sid were lying.

Very, very weird.

I mean, it's so similar
'cause it's really dark.

And I remember it
being really dark and, uh...

This is all very, very similar.

REPORTER: The police say
they were told
by the victim's girlfriend

that his last hours were spent
looking towards the future.

HOWIE: He was just in
really amazing spirits.

PETER: We were laughing
at certain things.

Malcolm had sent him
a list of the songs

that he wanted him
to do for the album.

I knew there was the ones
that The Clash ended up doing,

like, "I fought the law
and the law won," and, uh...

I remember one that was on...
It was YMCA,

which we thought,
highly unusual,
and a bit amusing.

And we were going through
the list, laughing at that.

HOWIE: He was really happy
to see everybody

and talking and we
were listening to
New York Dolls records

and he was jumping around
playing air guitar,

being funny
and telling jokes and...

It was really
an incredible thing for me

to see the real side of him.

He was talking
about going upstate,

clearing his name up,

doing this record and...

He had a lot
on his shoulders,

but it was pretty positive.

INTERVIEWER: Another
distinction you have is
being the other person,

who did the same stuff

the night that he OD'd.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

And, I OD'd that night also.
Did that come from...

Did that come
from your regular dealer?

No, it was a friend of ours,

uh, that flew in
from England.

Soon as I shot this dope, man,
it was fucking strong.

I knew it as soon as I shot it.

I walked out of the bathroom,
I said, "I think this is it."

And Sheila just said...
I heard Sheila going,

"Don't die in my apartment."

I said, "Shut the fuck up."

And next thing I knew,
it was four hours later.

I wouldn't say it was his fault.

He told you it was strong.

Yes, he did.
Mm-hmm.

And he didn't hold
a gun to my head.

I took it.

I took it with a smile
on my face.

About 12:00 Sid Vicious
shot up some heroin,

and he had a reaction to it,

which he came out of
about 45 minutes later.

And then about 2:00,
he laid down

to go to sleep.

He'd taken too much.

He sort of passed out.

We revived him.

And then it was
a good few hours,
I was there after.

And by the time I left,
he was okay.

HOWIE: I remember
that it became a real bummer

and we left for a while.

Sid had asked me
if there was anymore,

and I told him,
"No, there's not any left."

I said, "It's all gone,
you've done it all."

And what was left
I gave to his mother.

And I told her, like,

"No way give him
anymore of this tonight.

"You know,
give him this tomorrow."

The significance
of detoxification

is that if a drug user
detoxifies

and uses the same dose
he was used to,

it can be lethal.

So the detoxification program

takes the drug user
off the drug,

but also removes
whatever tolerance

or immunity he has
for the drug.

Then the phone rang,

it was Pam Brown.

And...

She asked me if I saw the news.

I said, "Nah,
I didn't see very much."

And she said, " Sid died."

I knew it was the same dope,

and then I found out
that's what it was.

[ROCK MUSIC PLAYING]

My first reaction was,

"hot shot."

Well, they got a batch

that I think
was particularly good.

LEEE: The stories now told

are that it was heroin
that was just too pure.

But then that was also
a very common way

of hot shoting someone.

REPORTER: All I know for now

is that he'd been asleep with
companion Michelle Robinson

at the time of his death.

She's an unemployed actress

who was hustled
away from the scene

along with the victim's mother.

The whole idea,
his mother gave him something,

I don't believe that.

I don't believe that.

The only people who can say
the God's honest truth

about what went on
in Bank Street that night,

one is Sid, and he's dead,

one is Anne, and she's dead,
and one is Michelle,

and she doesn't even answer
to that name anymore.

Whether he took more,

whether there were
other things like
pills involved,

God alone knows. But we know
he'd overdosed once that night,

he OD'd finally
somewhere in the night,

and the next morning,
Sid Vicious was dead.

HOWIE: I was here once,

for six or seven hours,
ever in my life.

Thirty years ago.
With this thing

that happened here
that impacted my entire life,

I could never touch it.

You know what I mean.

And now, I'm standing in it.

So, that's really, really odd.

NARRATOR: The day after
Sid's death, his mother,
Anne Beverly,

found this note in the pocket
of her son's jeans.

It seems to point
to a death pact

between Sid and Nancy

which apparently had existed
since the previous summer.

It was meant to happen.

Nancy always said she'd die
before she was 21.

I think I was the...
What they now call
a "self harmer".

In them days
it was called stupid.

I think it was
an inspiration to Sid as well.

And of course,
he had to do bigger

and better and went further.

The last major British
magazine interview

the pair of them did

was for the
Record Mirror.

That was March-April '78.

They were already
telling people

they'd got a suicide pact.

Nancy, by all accounts,
had been telling people,

before she even came to England,

that she'd never make 21.

STEVE: There was always
a sort of faintness,

a sort of acceptance,
you know,
"Live fast die young,"

and he wasn't going
to see very much old age.

She definitely
had like that thing.

I think she just
brought him into it.

Like death wish.

I remember going
into the kitchen one day,

and Nancy was there
with her hand over a bowl.

She cut her wrist.

Eating her ice cream.

"Okay, all right, Nancy.
What are you doing?"

"Sid doesn't love me anymore."

"All right, I'll come back.
I'm just gonna
put the kettle on."

You know, it was just
total play-acting.

The philosophical answer

and probably the only answer
I can give you

with any authority
is Nancy killed Nancy.

HOWIE: I kinda feel like
the most logical
conclusion to me

is that she just did it herself

as some kind of, you know...

That's what people
like that do, you know.

Like teenagers who cut
themselves, you know.

NEON: I lost a friend.

Person that I'd known
for a long time.

Drug addiction's a disease.

It's like being mad
at somebody for having cancer.

You know, it's like,
it's a disease.

[ TERMINAL PLAYING]

NARRATOR: With the death
of Sid Vicious,
NYPD closed the case

believing he was the murderer.

No further investigation
has ever taken place.

But the police all treated
this like, "Who cares,

"it's just another
dead junkie.

"You know, we got better
things to do with our time."

And this guy's
name was Vicious.

Um, you know,
he was supposedly violent,

You know, of course,
he killed his girlfriend.

They never thought
twice about it.

Nobody ever followed up on it.

It's like Sid got out,
Sid OD'd and end of story?

Is that really what happened?

Is that, just, you know...

Might as well just leave it
at that, who cares.

ALAN: Anne Beverly
was a character.

Anne Beverly was very Bohemian.

I first was introduced
to her in 1984.

And we talked
about doing a book

about her son.

And then Alex Cox's movie
came along, Sid and Nancy,

which played
two significant roles.

It postponed the book
for about three or four years.

And it allowed me
and Anne to get closer,

and for her to tell me
an awful lot more about Sid.

[ TERMINAL PLAYING]

GEORGE: The fact that Sid's
mother killed herself

the same year
that the Sex Pistols re-formed

is probably a coincidence.

ALAN: You know, we all
woke up one morning

and we had a letter
in the post.

David Ross, Sid's cousin
had a letter

that had a check
in it for ten grand

to organize a funeral.

Whether she was carrying some
kind of guilt over the years,

um, regarding her role,
in his death or not,

is very debatable.

And my letter,
basically, was very down,

did not say anything final.

Didn't say she'd done
what she'd done.

But was very, very down.

And then at the bottom
end of it,
it kind of said to me,

"Do me a favor and make sure
that one day the world knows

that whatever else my son was,
he was not a murderer."

[ FAST TRACK TO HELL PLAYING]

* Out in the streets

* It's down to you and me

* It's a jungle

* I'm on a fast track to hell

So this is the house
where Nancy grew up.

Behind me.

Uh, as you can see
it's quite a lovely place,

which is a bit
of a big difference

between the dreary lane flat

where Sid and his mother spent
their early years together.

There was only cold water
there, and no warmth.

Uh,

they're poles apart,
yet they're linked forever.

Nancy in Philadelphia
was an upper middle class,

Jewish, rock and roll fanatic.

STEVE: He had that thing,
he was charming, witty.

He was full of wonder.

People really were
in tune with him.

And he had charisma for days
and days and days.

She was one of the
super-groupies

of Philadelphia
at that time.

And they were the people
who knew Aerosmith

and stuff like that.

They could get you backstage.

I just genuinely liked him.

I mean, there was just
something about John.

Nothing pretentious.

I mean, he would not have been
one of my friends
if it'd been the case.

I mean, there were a lot
of punk hangers on

I really didn't give tosses
about, to be honest with you.

I didn't really hang out
with them at all.

VIVIANE: You know,
Sid was really clever.

He had a great brain

and the way
he wore Nazi insignia

and Swastikas was completely
to dilute the meaning of it.

You know, and people
never got that about him.

He was clever
and he understood concept.

[STATIC]

SID: Well, I'm not stupid,
you know,

and this is why I fool people.

I act like a complete dummy
you know.

"Oh, Sid Vicious, duh!"

But in actual fact,
they underestimate me so much

that they find out
that I fooled them completely.

[STATIC]

When I first met John Beverly,

yes, I could see him
living a long and full life.

When Beverly became Vicious,

you knew that he was not
going to make 22.

EDWARD: And, I went
to this audition,

and we were all sitting
in the stalls,

you know,
waiting for stuff to happen.

And, um, Sid and Nancy entered.

So, there was a bit
of a stir, naturally.

"Oh, Sid, Sid and Nancy."

And then Sid, at one point,
turned round and said,

"Why don't you
lot all fuck off."

And one of the auditioners
said, "Bollocks."

Well, you know, as he would,
as he would.

And he suddenly
went into a fury.

He said, "What, you say,
'Bollocks' to me."

And he got out of his,
uh, stupor,

and charged back,

and started
laying into this bloke.

So, there was this bloke

being attacked
by presumably his hero,

trying to fend him off.

About half an hour later,
him and this bloke

were sitting next to
each other, chatting
quite friendly.

And Sid said,

"Yeah, it's a good way to make
friends by having a fight."

And you know, they were
the best of buddies by then.

When Sid and I used
to hang out, we used to go
out in the evenings.

We often ended up in physical
trouble and fights.

That was before
he was called Sid Vicious.

And it was this
sort of escalation of,

"Oh, we've come home again

"and Sid's
got into trouble again."

He liked to fight.

He couldn't have one.
He couldn't fight sleep.

But he... [LAUGHING]
He gave that, you know, out.

It's not that he was
particularly aggressive,

but he wouldn't take
any nonsense from anyone.

When someone says
something stupid, you just
tell them it's stupid.

Actually, it got to the point

where he'd take his belt off
and wrap it round his hand

and just whack people
with the buckle.

I don't know where
that came from

'cause he wasn't actually
a physically aggressive guy.

We're sitting in the Speakeasy

and Paul Weller is coming in
with his wife.

If Sid had just waited
a second and asked me,

I would have told him
that Paul Weller
can well look after himself.

His dad John
was an ex-boxer and all that.

Sid's gone out like a lunatic
with the boots flying.

Paul Weller's cracked him
a few punches.

But he had a glass
in his hand,
at the time, Paul,

and it cut Sid on the face.

There was a bit of screaming,
I jumped in between them.

And Sid's there, he's cut,
he's got a glass in his face.

And Paul and his wife,
I apologized to them
and they went off.

And I said, "Sid, why did you
attack him like that?"

He said, "Because he said
that we nicked In The City,

and Holidays In The Sun."

I said, "Well, you did."
[LAUGHING]

MARK: One night I went round
and saw Sid,

and there was a cat
that was in the flat.

And, for no

reason he decided,

to put a noose around the cat

and hang it up,

in front of me.

And,

it didn't last long,

as far as

ticks on the clock,
but it seemed like an eternity.

And...

The cat was struggling,

and...

Tried to get away,
but obviously couldn't.

It was whining.

It was absolutely fighting
to get away.

And just before

it's passed away,

it urinated and defecated

right on his feet.

And Sid was holding it
in front of me.

I utterly regret
not stopping him doing that.

Why he did that, I don't know.

Um, I have no idea.

It's the most disgusting thing
that I've ever seen in my life.

And if I could have my life
all over again...

That is the biggest regret...
I would stop him
from doing that.

It was horrible.

Finally put the cat
in a plastic bag,

and took it
to the bin downstairs.

It was horrible.

He was always like that.

He just took everything
to the nth degree

and he didn't care
where it took him.

I guess he knew that one day
the person he hit,
or the thing he did

would be the end.

He was willing to take it
to the edge, he was willing
to take it that far.

I don't know why
or where that came from.

But he was like that always.

He was the guy that never saw

a red light, as they say.

Everything was always green.

MAN: However, dangerous?
However, dangerous.

Do you feel if he had
never met you,
he might be alive today?

I don't know.

I don't know.

Heck, you know.

You might get run over
by a car.
I don't know.

But Sid, I suppose, would,
at the very best, be called...

Uh, could be called amoral.

He just didn't really
have a concept of what was
good and what was bad.

Certainly not for him,
but for other people as well.

Sid especially didn't know
who himself was, anyway,

'cause he was too young.

I think the thing about Sid
and his upbringing,

he just wanted
someone to love.

You know,
seems to be fairly obvious.

No father figure, you know,

moved around
from pillar to post.

Mama being the Bohemian,
never settled.

You know, people like that
tend to make a fool
of themselves

or dress up strange.

Anything to get attention
and be liked.

When I met Anne
for the first time,

it was almost like,
"Ah, that's the explanation."

Beverly couldn't look after
herself, let alone
look after Sid.

I never liked her. I mean,
it was quite clear to me

where his problems lay
and it was with her.

I always felt
there was a bit
of an agenda there.

Well, ugh, kill me
for thinking that, but I did.

PETER: What I know
about Beverly...

What Sid told me was, you know,
they used to go to Morocco

and then they would go back
into Spain.

And she used to sort of stuff,

um, hash, blocks of hash
down Sid's trousers.

I mean, if you got caught
in Spain at that time

with even a joint
under Franco,

you could go to prison,
for, you know, 14 years.

So, it was pretty dangerous,
but probably lucrative.

Yeah, if we went around
to Sid's flat,

you know, the high rise
where Anne lived,

we could just do drugs
in front of her

whatever way we wanted.

Beverly was the type of person
that if she arrived somewhere,

it'd be like... Sid'll be like,
"Oh, God, it's my mom.

"Let's hide, you know,
hope she doesn't see us."

So, I don't think there was any
particularly close bond there.

I remember when Sid and I
went to see The Pistols
at The Screen On The Green.

And I had this little
vintage dress on

that Sid had sort of cut
really short and ripped up,
made it look fantastic.

I mean, you know, he was a great
girlie mate in many ways.

And we watched the Pistols,
and we thought, "Oh."

We said to each other,
"What's the point,

"what's the point
of carrying on.

"They say all,
they're everything
we want to be.

"There's no point
being in a band."

We just felt like giving up
at the end of that gig.

It was such a fantastic show.

GLEN: When did Sid become
one of our number one fans?

I don't know that he did or not.

I think he was just
number one hanging round
after John.

I think that was a bit
of a double act

and then John was busy
doing something else
and Sid wasn't.

So...

There was nothing else going on
in London at that time.

So, we were
where the action was.

So, he came
and shared his mayhem.

It is interesting to me
that John did bring Sid in

to, like, supposedly be
his ally in the band
and then goes...

But actually, instantly,
he realized that he was
gonna overshadow John.

Because of the way he looked,
the way he was.

The styles of
people like

Fleetwood Mac, Eagles,
and Led Zeppelin

were a million miles away
from this street kid.

So, he needed
to go back to the clubs

and I think that's why some
scuzzy little bar like CBGB's

was where you could create
a brand new scene.

Dory Hamilton,
and this girl Sharon,
Honi O'Rourke,

who went on
to be my bass player,

and Nancy,
they were all friends.

You know, there were different
kind of groupies in the scene.

There were groupies
who just wanted to
hang out with famous people

or were just kind of nice girls
who you could have sex with

or, like, friendly.

But then you had
the Nancy type.

She wanted to marry a rockstar
and be a rockstar's wife.

But usually girls like that

hook-up with a boyfriend
pretty quickly.

Nancy didn't have
a boyfriend.

Because no one could stand
being with her
for more than one evening.

She was just
really repulsive.

KEITH: Nancy came
on the scene, right,

and, like,
she could've been 18,

she might've been 20,
I don't know.

But, fuck, she's like,

so old, you know.

I just mean, like,

she's just seen too much,
she's seen so much.

The other people
who were very on to the scene,

like Gill Hagenson,
the bartenders at Max's
and CBGB's and things,

all kind of said,
"Stay away from her."

She was a drug dealer
and she was a prostitute.

And she was really bad news.

And when someone
is called "really bad news,"

when you have
Dee Dee Ramone's carny

going around breaking bottles
over people's heads,

that's really bad news.

Right, I mean, I thought
she was like 27, you know.

Anyway, and young,
I mean, that's what...
"She was only 27."

So there you go, I didn't
even know she was 20!

This woman
had years of experience,

at manipulation, intimidation,

and, of course,
you fuck everybody as well.

You know, God love her...

If she couldn't get it free,
she'd have sex.

She asked me
on numerous occasions.

It's how Nancy operated.

She would go get the drugs
so she could get laid.

The first time I met Nancy,

she was being shagged
in the toilet

by somebody.

[LAUGHING] Not Sid, no.

[LAUGHING]

But someone very close
to him . [LAUGHING]

[ROCK MUSIC PLAYING]

DON: Before The Heartbreakers,
Nancy came over,

at The Roxy in London.

It was speed
in the toilets upstairs

and weed
in the basement downstairs.

And as I said before,
we had beer to wash it down.

You know, in those days
you could have had
a wheelbarrow load of cocaine,

rock-on, you were doing
really well.

You had that much heroin,

the stigma that that carried.

You know,
people were like, "Whoa."

You know, didn't wanna know.

[ROCK BAND PLAYING]

It wasn't street,
it was pseudo-glamourous.

New York infiltrated
the London punk scene
and brought

one of the worst aspects
of New York with it.

Why on earth, people think

this band, The Heartbreakers,

Johnny Thunders
and Jerry Nolan,

who couldn't tie their shoes
in the morning,

could orchestrate the downfall

of British youth
by importing heroin

into the British isles
is beyond me.

And no one noticed Keith Moon
and Keith Richards,

in and out of hospitals...

They were English
and they were stoned junkies,

real stoned junkies in England.

GLEN: You know,
to me The Heartbreakers

would be regarded
the best punk band.

There was something
about them

like this cultural
kind of arrogance,
good song, look great.

And we watched them,
totally gobsmacked.

And then they came down
into the audience

to say hello after
they'd done their 20-minutes.

And I said to Jerry Nolan,

"I really like
that song Chinese Rock.

"What's that all about then?"

He looks at me
like I was an idiot

and he says, "Heroin, boy."

Oh, right.

Hadn't even come into anybody's
consciousness until then.

By the time The Heatbreakers
and Nancy arrived,

it was the new thing, you know,
they almost made it cool.

STEVE: Johnny and Jerry needed

to find someone
they could hang out with.

It was an English kid,
the first English kid.

This guy is cool.

Now, it's in the nature,

the unfortunate nature
of a junkie

to not want to be
alone in their,

uh, addiction.

I'm in their camp now.
I'm probably the first kid

who did smack with these guys
from New York.

'Cause they don't speed.

There's no doubt,
that they turned
a lot of people onto heroin.

And that really did have a major
impact on the Punk rock scene

and almost wiped out
the first chapter of it.

And he was like rolling up
his leg every now and again

and he was showing everybody
all his needle marks.

He says, "Oh, God.

"This foot has gone numb now,
I can't use this foot anymore."

And his whole body was
absolutely covered with marks.

KRIS: Sid developed his persona
when he became a Pistol.

I know the image

and the requirements
of living up to it.

Did go to his head sometimes.

LEEE: The name Sid Vicious
was the most amazing

creation in the world.

It's like Hollywood stars,

you know, Marilyn Monroe,
Betty Grable,

those people didn't know
how to deal with

who they suddenly had to be.

And had to be all the time.

They didn't get to

only be it
when the cameras were on

or only till someone said,
"Now you can go home now,

"and just be yourself."

KRIS: But this was
exacerbated by drugs,

which stoked, you know,
his reasoning, innocence,

all went out the window
and he became Sid Vicious.

[ PRETTY DOPE FIEND PLAYING]

* Lookin' for
A pretty dope fiend *

And I remember one day,

she was with me
at Honi O'Rourke's
placed at the Chelsea Hotel.

And she says,
"Wow, guys, you know,

"I'm going to London, man.

"'Cause The Heartbreakers
are gonna be playing there."

Nancy turned up in London

when she did, because she had
a thing for Jerry Nolan.

KRIS: The story
is with a guitar,

but I don't know why
she'd be giving Jerry a guitar

because he was a drummer.

Nolan was a drummer.

This really beautiful pink,
left-handed

Fender Esquire with
all the knobs on it
were offset dice.

Really flash kind of...
Not very punk, but...

He couldn't play it,
but, um...

She brought it over
for him. "Hey..."

But he knew she was bad news,
just gave her the bum's rush.

I used to go back to
The Heartbreakers' flat
quite a lot.

Anyway, we walked in,

and there was just this
incredibly loud woman there.

Neil said it was my birthday

and she just started
going about her birthday.

Everyone was just zonked out
on smack.

And we'd sort of
turn the lights out
and sort of sitting down.

And suddenly there's this
presence in the room.

Here's Jerry Nolan.

And fully-clothed,
mohair jumper, the whole lot.

And he got into bed beside me.

So, I was stuck in the middle
of Neil and Jerry.

And he just said that he wasn't
being weird or anything,

but, you know, he was really...

There was no way he
was gonna be on his own,

with Nancy on the loose.

She came up to me, Nancy,

came up, from behind,
put her hand on my shoulder,

and said, "Hi, where's Jerry?"

First words out of her mouth.

And I said,
"You will not see Jerry,

"I won't let you near Jerry.

"If I have to lock
Jerry up in a room

"and not let him out of it,
I won't let you near Jerry.

"Do you understand?"

And she just said, "Oh, okay,"
and wandered away.

That was it.

I think my first introduction

to Nancy was hearing
this neighing,
whining sound

from the background,
over my dub records
I was playing.

'Cause she was loud.

See, Jerry very much used her.

Jerry...

Jerry... If someone could
supply Jerry with drugs,

or with money
or with a place to stay,

or a ride to the bar,

they were his girlfriend.

And because obviously
no one knew her,

no one knew this story
was a whole heap of lies.

What it did is it opened
a lot of doors for her,

got her into
McLaren Westwood empire.

He got her
into the Speakeasy.

We'd go to the Roxy
as a kind of,

um, watering hole.

And there's this girl
staggering about
with a very high voice.

Um...

There were a couple
of Heartbreakers there

and they were avoiding her
like the plague.

She was going around
asking everyone
for a cigarette.

And she spotted Sid.

And made a beeline.
And that was it.

He started talking to her.
She was all over him.

We'd never met
American women before.

And so, initially,
it was quite a giggle.

Saw her on the arm of Sid

and I thought,

"Oh, my God, if there
were ever a perfect target

for Nancy Spungen."

Sid was very innocent,
gullible, whatever you
wanna call it, naive.

She probably
blew him off his feet.

What amazes me,
is that how over the years,

it's become
a Romeo and Juliet story.

And it's been
kinda romanticized.

But he really loved this person.

He loved her more
than he loved his music.

VIVIANE: Bit by bit,
as he got
together with Nancy,

and then he became,
you know, very caring

and caught up in her world
and trying to make her happy.

ALAN: Whispering in his ear,

she taught him things
no one had ever taught him

and she showed him
a bit of love.

They were sensitive people

and they seemed
to get along very well.

In fact, they were always
holding one another
in my office.

You sort of sense

that there was a great
affection between them.

Maybe they were
right for each other.

Maybe, whatever it is

she brought to the table,
he needed.

Sid was really shy.

He was really shy with girls.

I never ever saw him
chat up a girl.

I mean, a girl would
have to come to Sid.

He wasn't interested in sex.

So if girls,
they would throw
themselves at him,

and he wasn't interested.

He was quite possibly a virgin
before he met Nancy.

He needed a strong,
forward woman

to, you know,
to go to bed with him.

Otherwise, he would never
make the move.

And she made the move.

She would really,
sort of like,
bolster his ego.

In a way
that I thought was really

what you're supposed to do
if you're boy and girlfriend.

I don't know
if you saw any of the gigs,

but Sid
was really shining out.

JONES: And I think, if you had
that in the background,

then I don't think
it was quite as tragic,

as we're all sort of
being led to believe.

How many people loved
The Beatles and hated Yoko?

Automatically.

It's like Yoko
all of a sudden had power.

And The Beatles, and John
and she was controlling John.

Well, maybe John
wanted to be controlled.

Maybe John needed her.

When someone's in love,
what can you do, you know.

If it's the bird or the band,

usually the bird wins.

The Pistols came to America.

They came to America,
they came to tour.

By the time
they announced their tour,

I knew I had to find a way
to get on that tour.

STEVE: Been a long time,
Sid, when he went to America

on the tour with the Pistols,

you know, he asked me
and Barry to look after Nancy.

So we had the job
of making sure
she was all right.

He was away with The Pistols
in America.

He'd be ringing back, "Viv,
can you make sure
you've seen Nancy.

"She says no one
wants to talk to her.

"No one wants to speak to her.

"Everyone hates her.
It's breaking my heart."

You know, he was still
worried in the States,

because she'd be ringing
him up, giving him an earful
all the time.

No one really wanted
Nancy around.

They told her, "Nance,
it's because of Sid."

And she did get
to that the point,

where she was
persona non grata
around most people's places.

We ended up setting up
a party in Bob Gruen's room.

And, sure enough,
everybody except for Johnny

from The Pistols showed up.

And Sid walked in,

kinda in the middle
of the party,

with this tall blond woman.

We're all kinda like,
"Oh, that's good for Sid.

"He picked up the best-looking
girl from the gig."

One time he called up,

and was her telling how he'd
been with a transvestite.

She had a very deep voice.

And Sid was pretty upfront.

He's like, "Well, here now.

"Am I gonna suck your cock
or your cunt?"

And she said, "Cunt."[HOARSELY]

And everybody's like...
[MIMICKING VIBRATING]

You know, "What the..."

It, you know...
That's a man's voice.

"Sid, what are you doing
over there, you know,

"on the road in America
for the first time.

"We can only imagine."

He was telling her about

this transvestite

he'd ended up with and...

Her reaction was,
"Well, all right, Sid,

as long as you're not fucking
any girls, you know."

[LAUGHING]
Which I thought was funny.

There were three or four real
hardcore Pistols fans from LA.

Um, of which one
is the famous Hellin Killer.

HELLIN: When Sid came out,

and he came right up to us.

It's like,"Look,
people that I can talk to."

He was just like any kid
like anywhere
that we would run into.

And he came running up,
and he was like,

"Hey,"
and he starts talking to us.

He's like, "Are you coming
to the show?"

And I'm like,
"We've got tickets."

And he grabbed the tickets
out of my hand,

and he grabbed us
and we went back in.

And he goes,
"Give them their money back.

"They're on my guest list."

And that was my initial
meeting of Sid.

So she kinda became
Sid's companion

on tour for that last US tour.

I remember in Dallas,
he called her

and he was on the phone
with her.

He's like, "I met this girl
and it's really great."

And I was like really terrified

because what I heard of Nancy
and what I thought of Nancy.

What everyone said was
just what an incredible
nightmare she was.

"Oh, she's gonna kill you
if she ever finds out
about you."

I was just like, "Why are you
even mentioning
that I exist to her?"

It was kind of
frightening to me.

But he was like
in love with her.

[ UP FOR THE CRACK PLAYING]

* So many times I've waited

* Too many times sedated

* So many times elated

JOHN: The Sex Pistols
were fighting with each other.

Malcolm was not speaking
with Johnny.

Johnny was not speaking
to Malcolm.

Um, nobody could find Sid.

He was hanging out with some
groupies, taking drugs.

We were in the bathroom.

He's like, "I'm gonna do this."
I'm like, "No, don't do it."

He's like, "I'm gonna do it."

And I'm like, "Okay,
there's nothing I can do."

And sitting on the edge
of the bathtub,

Sid shot his steroids.

And fell directly back
into the bathtub.

I've got Sid in the worst
situation I've ever seen.

And these kids are
just kinda looking at him.

Almost dead, turning blue.
I got him on his feet,

walked him around.

Stuff I've never had to do
with anybody ever.

He was responding.

He was groaning,
but he was in a semi-coma.

But his circulation returned.

It was working, you know.

I was really fearing it won't.

And here's the beauty of Sid.

The doctor shows up,
gives him the Narcan,

whatever is they give you
when you OD on heroin.

Sid sits up,

fixes his hair, stands up,

and looks around
and goes, "What?"

And that was it.
That was like nothing happened.

SID: The Sex Pistols
are finished.

There could never be
a replacement for John Rotten.

Sometimes it upsets me
so much that I cry about it.

Because that band stood
for so, so much.

It stood for so much,
like freedom of youth
and speech

and it was very revolutionary.

I guess a junkie only needs
a rap to justify his life,

and a means to get that rap.

Once he was kicked out
of the Pistols,

he was kind of lost

and up for absolutely anything.

Porno, playing with anybody.

I mean, they were just like
desperate junkies.

Really sad, it has to be said.

Hey, do you wanna make
a pornographic movie?

Give us a hundred pounds.

I remember she came up to me
and said, "Hi, Steve.

"Would you like to watch me
and Sid have sex for 20 pounds?"

I went, "You'd have to pay me
a lot more than that, Nancy.

"I tell you, honestly,
I couldn't think
of nothing worse

"than watching you
and him having sex?"

She even hit on me one time.

I had to get her a spliff
to get her off my back.

Not literally, folks.

There was also a rumor
that Sid did as well.

You know, that he
gave himself
to make money.

Do you want me to
make you a cup of coffee?

Yeah, could you?

Yes, I'll make you
a cup of coffee.

I just took a suitcase,
got on a plane
and went to London.

And I was on King's Road,

and some kids came out
and they're like,

"So, Sid's in the store
right there.

"Boy, why don't you go
and say hi."

And I'm like, "Okay."

And I walked in
and he turned around

and it was like we had
just seen each other
five minutes ago.

And at that point, he's like,
"You have to come over
and meet Nancy."

To be really honest,
Nancy was so nice

and wonderful to me,
when I met her.

And, then she goes, "You need
to stay here with us,

"if you're not really
staying anywhere."

They actually spent a lot
of time in bed in their room,

in front of the TV,
in their underwear,
high on fucking heroin.

We would go to the chip shop,
come back,

watch TV, do our hair,
you know.

They stayed home a lot.

You know, there wasn't
a lot of fighting.

There wasn't a lot of arguing.

I think the whole time
I was there,

there was like one
argument fight.

There was kind of a lot
of whining on Nancy's part,

but I think she
was just very whiny.

Girlfriend at the time
used to make clothes

and she used to kinda
hang out there.

And say that she was always
trying to let her jeans out
a bit more.

'Cause she was
putting on weight

and putting on weight
and putting on weight.

Those jeans had these, sort of,
different shade of blue
V's in the back.

There was apparently animosity
between Nancy and Sid's mom.

And while I was living there,

like, a couple of times
they went out,

and they were like,
"If she comes by..."

Nancy, "If she comes by,
don't let her in the house."

And one night she did come by.

She was, "I just wanted to drop
some things off for Sid."

And she gave me
a big bag of jujubes

and a big bag of syringes.

This was mom's present
or whatever,

care package for Sid.

And I was just like, "Wow."

Malcolm, um, held
the purse strings
as regards money.

So, Sid needed money
because he had a drug habit.

So he was always
dependent upon that.

And Malcolm was never
forthcoming with any
great amounts of money.

SID: It's here to signify,

the flow of air
around the chair, you know.

Trying to be all artistic
and impress us

and we were laughing
our heads off.

"You are an idiot."

I hate Malcolm.

Obviously, Malcolm was really
concentrating on Sid.

And Nancy was really getting
in the way of Maclcolm's plans.

What Nancy was doing
was deciding

that she was going to be
Sid's manager.

So, Malcolm did his
word of mouth thing,

which I thought was hilarious.

SID: My girlfriend manages me.

I just wanna get another
band together and tour.

The reality was,
on paper and on contract
with the lawyers,

Malcolm McLaren
was still Sid's manager.

In retrospect, maybe,
there was a lot more humor
to the whole thing,

than I was able to really
enjoy at the time.

SID: I don't know whether
so many songs sung...

I don't know whether
he'll have enough faith in it.

But she's damn smart.

Damn smart. She's been a lot
around the music business

since she was 13
and she knows a lot of guys

and she can pull
a lot of weight.

I was really surprised
that Glen and him

were really good friends.

When Glen first came over,
I was like, "Go figure."

The one guy, that, you know,
he replaced in the band,

is the one guy
who's there for him.

When I was sitting there
in the pub next to him,

and he said, " What's all
this about we don't get on?"

I said "I don't know.
We're sitting here in a pub,
aren't we?"

And he said, "Yeah."

And he said,
"How can we prove to people?"

I said, "I don't know.
I don't know if I'm bothered
about proving to people."

He said, "No, no, we should."

I said, "How about doing
a gig then?"

He went, "That's a good idea.
Who can we get?"

We went through
who we could get

and we got Steve New
of the Rich Kids

and Rat Scabies, just old mates.

And put a band together.
And we called it
the Vicious White Kids.

Sid Vicious,
I was still just about

in the Rich Kids
and Steve was in...

Rat Scabies was actually not
in the band at that stage.

He had a band
called The White Cats.

It was kind of funny though

'cause, I don't know,
I just found Sid
a little bit slow, really.

He said, "We've got
Steve on guitar,

"and Rat on drums.

"Who's gonna play bass?"

He said, "You're a bass player
and I'm a bass player.

"Who's gonna play bass?"

I said,
"I'll put it this way, Sid,

"I'm certainly
not gonna sing."

He went, "Oh.
Who's gonna sing then?"

I said, "You can sing."

"Who's gonna play bass?"

That was the greatest show.

Everyone was there.

[ TIME OF YOUR LIFE PLAYING]

* Time, time, time...

I think Debbie Harry was there,
everyone was there.

That was an amazing show.

And had he been able
to continue to pull that off

when he got to New York,

who knows
what would have happened.

There you go,
then we started rehearsing.

We did our one number,

and Sid comes up
to me afterwards.

And he says, "Well, it's like
you can play bass

"all the way for a song
without stopping."

At that time it did enable
a lot kids

who hadn't seen
Sid Vicious on stage

to actually go.

Since the rehearsal...
We went for our
first rehearsal,

everything had been cleared out
by the band who had it before.

Apart from this
Fender Mustang bass guitar,
it was just sitting there.

His eyes lit up.

He went,
"I'm having that for my honey."

You know, um, Nancy.

We rehearsed and we drove home.

Next day we got up
to our rehearsal.

And they say, "Okay,
have a good gig.
Take the equipment.

"But you can't take
the equipment

"until you give us
the bass back."

"What bass?"

"The bass that Sid
walked out with last night."

"No, we didn't have a bass."

"Everybody seen you, Sid."

We put a phone call
in to Nancy, you know.

We arranged that,
"Well, the bass was coming."

You know,
we could be loading up.

But we had to sit there
waiting for it to turn up.

Of course, in the meantime,
Nancy's painted it

with black emulsion.

Hadn't even taken the strings
off or anything like that.

And arrives in a cab
in a black dripping bag.

So we gave it to the guy,
but it's still dripping wet.

You know, but we just went.

But the whole idea of it
was obviously
to raise enough funds

to send Sid over to New York
and, you know...

It could have been
a lot of things.

It could be to get away
from Malcolm.

Maybe to get some control
over his career himself,

if he knew what he was doing.

But, um, I think there was
also some legal problems,

they had over here
at the time too.

There was a young,
fairly up-and-coming

and promising record producer
called John Shepcock.

He was in his early 20s.

Um, and he was
a heroin addict too.

And he went down
to Pindock Mews one night.

And himself, Sid and Nancy

had this kind of
nod out on heroin.

And what tells you
about the state they were in,

is the next morning
they woke up,

and genuinely did not know

they were lying next
to the dead body
of John Shepcock.

And what Anne Beverly told me,
is later she said,

then they knew they had to go.

Because the police
were already harassing
them for so many things,

and now, suddenly
they're waking up with
a dead body in their bed.

The way I remember
that whole thing

of Sid and Nancy hooking up

and then her pretending
to be his "manager"

and going to New York...

I have to say, that
things were moving
so fast by that time

that we didn't give a shit.

SID: Things aren't getting
any easier.

It's probably getting
worse and worse.

I hate this country
and everything to do with it.

You know, the punk rock thing

had taken off
and it had momentum.

And, no Sid, no Nancy
or any of that stuff
could really stop it.

So, we didn't really
think twice about it.

SID: I want to go live
somewhere else.

So, I mean we have
no plans whatsoever.

We just live today solely
existentialist like
Jean-Paul Sartre.

His entire, you know, roots

and everything
that he was obsessed with,

was in New York as well.

It was cool. New York was cool.

"Let's go to New York."
"It sounds good."

"We can play at Max's,
we can make money."
"Yeah, okay, bro."

"We'll launch our career
from there."

His obsession, with,
you know,
The New York Dolls

and the whole New York

punk rock
and pre-punk rock scene...

You know, between
the two of them,

where else...
That's where they had to go.

They were so excited.

They were like,
"We're going to America,

"and we are gonna just

"take over."

As opposed to,
"We're going to America

"and it's going to eat us."

[ROCK MUSIC PLAYING]

HOWIE: On the one hand
I think they came,

so she could show-off

and get back at everyone.

'Cause I don't think
that many people
liked her when she left.

New York reacted
to the return

of Nancy

pretty much
like you would expect.

She was like some, I guess,
third rate, whatever,

chick from New York
who never got paid
any attention as she came back.

It's almost like
a high school thing, you know.

This is all about her.

You know what I mean,
this was not about him.

This was about her.
For her.
You know what I mean.

She was doing that thing,

you know, when you pull up

to your high school reunion
in a Rolls Royce.

You know,
that's where she was at.

One year in England.

She came back with Sid,

and she had the thickest
Cockney accent

in the world, you know.

It's like, you know what...

The day before she had it,

she had like this...
I don't know, like,

Philadelphia, you know...
She grew up in Philadelphia.

Felt kinda like
the client's Nancy.

It's almost like
those Americans who come
back with British accents.

So, she came back
with a British boyfriend

and British money
and British fame.

And all of which
was wildly phony.

ELLIOT: She was Nancy,
you know,
she was running around.

She was like Mrs. Sid Vicious.

So, yes, everyone, everyone
really despised her.

Sid Vicious was barely big
on the underground in America.

You know, The Pistols
hadn't actually sold any units,

they'd already split up.

It would be ten years later
before their album
went Platinum in America.

So, when he arrived,

he would've been famous
within his click of people.

I'm talking about
a very basic underground fame.

People would throw shit
at us in the streets.

You know, Sid Vicious
was not a rockstar

except among
that circle of people.

As for the landmark
Chelsea Hotel,

it is more used to names
like Dylan Thomas,

and Bob Dylan
than that of Sid Vicious.

The Chelsea hotel was a, uh...

A fancy low-life

[LAUGHING]

nightmare with a hefty history.

But it's mystique
was that so many artists,

from Andy Warhol
to Muhammad Ali...

It was a place where
the it people
would feel comfortable.

NEON: Dylan Thomas
to Bob Dylan,

all these brilliant artists
were there at some
period of time.

I first moved
into the Chelsea in 1975.

And I lived there
on and off until '81.

NEON: You're allowed
to do things

you wouldn't be able to do
in other hotels.

You can take the bed apart.

You can throw the bed out.
You can put it in the hallway.

It was an extremely
dingy, dark place.

You can paint the walls
each week a different color.

Hang what you want on it,
nail What you want up on it.

The rooms were anything
but attractive.

How dingy your room was
or how posh your room was,

was up to you, not the hotel.

LEEE: They were so available
at the Chelsea Hotel.

Everyone knew where they were.

And everyone knew
when they had drugs.

There was no screening
at the front desk.

People just in and out.

And every drug dealer
wanted to sell them something

because, "Yeah,
they've got money
and they're famous."

STEVE: The Chelsea Hotel,
I think, was also
kind of a...

Maybe not the greatest
move for them

because you had a lot
of characters in there.

Rockets Redglare,
and these sleazy fuckers

who just wanted to be,
sort of, in there with Sid,

and obviously, you know...

Wanting to rub shoulders

with this icon, you know.

So, immediately they fell in
with all the creeps.

And maybe I should say
"us creeps."
[LAUGHING]

NEON: And there was this blond
there at the reception,

kinda stumbling.

Surrounded all these
pound notes and US notes
on the floor.

And the guy
behind the reception
looking really irritated.

Like, "Ugh, God!"

And me and Honi O' Rourke

went and said,
"You could meet her."

And it was Nancy.

She had like a big bruise
on the side of her head.

She's says, "Oh, wow,
look what happened to me.

"We were at
Johnny Rotten's place
or something, somebody OD'd."

Something, and she was hit
with a bat or something.

We had to leave.

"Oh, okay.

"Ah, you want to meet Sid!"

We got him on to methadone.

It was one of the first
things we did
because he was not well.

He came with
a massive habit from London,

the heroin in London is much
stronger than it was New York,

so that was the problem.

So, that wasn't holding him.

I mean, these are the problems
you have when you travel.

ALAN: I mean, when they
arrived in America,

we must remember

there was a fairly substantial
lump of money due to them

from the cover
of the song My Way.

But of course, they were two
very desperate heroin addicts.

Waiting around for money

was not particularly
on the agenda on a daily basis.

She had to have money
readily available.

ESTHER: Sid and Jerry
were good friends.

And Jerry suggested
they get a band,

and so they did.

Um, it's gonna be Sid,
Jerry Nolan

and Arthur Kane
from The Dolls

and Steve Dior
from Jerry's new group
The Idols.

ESTHER: They were
gonna have Johnny Thunders
play with them.

But he wasn't very skilled,
you know.

So, eventually
my brother played with them.

We finally decided
we were gonna do it.

Nancy negotiated.

Actually, Jerry Nolan
negotiated to be
honest with you.

It was good deal.

Do two shows a night,
it was a Thursday night,

two shows, six fellows in.

I think the place held about...

You could cram 2,000
in there upstairs.

I remember, Brenda,
she was booking things
to have Sid play in Max's.

I mean, she got a big advance

I think from
Tommy Dean Mills,
Tommy Dean,

who is the new owner
for Mickey Ruskin.

So, I think that's pretty good,

although she didn't have
any power.

I couldn't go in there
and say, "Okay,
give me all this money."

You know,
and they say, "Yeah."

And I haven't even
played note?

And not many people
in this scene could do that.

It was a cool show.

He was happy at
sound check and everything.

Where Steve Dior...
We're all around,
we're doing the sound check.

He was just a little
too stoned by the time
showtime rolled around.

HOWIE: It was very exciting
and packed.

And it sucked.

You know, just
like you would expect.

It didn't suck... I mean,
he was just so fucked up.

First night, he gets wasted.

And I said, "Sid, get stoned
after the show, please.

"Do a good show and let's all
have a good time after."

Things didn't go well
at that show.

The crowd was a bit nasty
at the moment.

Sid could barely stand up,

he kinda picked up where
he left off in San Francisco.

And was nodding out
on stage.

It was a success
because it was packed.

There were lines
around the block.

I know they were making quite
good money during the gigs.

They could do Max's

and Sid himself would pocket

probably about three
or four thousand dollars easily.

I got good money
for those shows.

And it was pocket money for Sid.

It was pocket money
for all those people,

anybody who played
in that band.

It was good money for.

[POLICE RADIO CRACKLING]

ALAN: Leading
up to the death of Nancy,

things on the New York
underground,

and this could be
because heroin

was getting harder to find
on a daily basis,

did seem to get
a lot more scuzzy.

The Dead Boys drummer
was famously stabbed

outside a taxi rank
at 4:00 in the morning.

And a lot of the people
on the underground

were arming themselves.

You know,
it's quite well documented,

that people like
Dee Dee Ramone
and Steve Bates

weren't just buying knives,

they were telling
other people to buy knives.

Because there was obviously
something going very wrong,

on the scuzzy side
of Manhattan if you like.

There shouldn't be
too much doubt,

uh, in anyone's mind

that the tension between them

was coming to a head.

Don't drop it on me again!

For anyone that wonders

at what might have happened
on the 12th,

I think that you need
to start with those shows.

You know, she'd gotten
really kinda pushy.

And a degree of arrogance
which was a disguise, I think,

for insecurities

that were going on with her
and Sid and their relationship.

I think maybe it was Nancy,

who called up
Honi O'Rourke, right.

And, uh, says, "Oh,
Sid and I are gonna come by."

At the time, I don't know,
it was before 12:00,

several hours before 12:00.

And they came to the room,

and Nancy had a portfolio

of like press clippings.
And we ate.

They were kinda depressed.

* She's got some
Nasty habits... *

NEON: And they started
going through the pictures.

And he's like,
"Remember that day

"and now look at us.

"Look, we're all fucked up."

It wasn't even exactly feeling
sorry for themselves.

It was like, "Where are we?

"Wow, are we ever gonna get
the glory days back?"

I mean, the one thing
we need to understand about

October the 12th,
the night that Nancy died,

there was no heroin about.

And that's what leads us back
to the Dilaudid and the Tuinal

and various capsules and pills
that were brought in for them

by various people that night.

They left.
This is maybe around 12:00.

Close to it.

And then I went out.

You can imagine, you know,

Sid and Nancy
were clucking like chickens.

They were coming down
cold Turkey.

Which was the worst way
to come off drugs.

This is why they
were having a party

and buying a lot of drugs.

VICTOR: I had gotten in
just after midnight,

he called and said
they were, you know, looking

for something to relax with.

And then I went with Kelly.

Uh, I think Leon
wanted to bring them

to the room to get
the brownie points.

But Kelly insisted and insisted
that I go with her.

* Really loves to party

* She never wants to leave...

It was just Sid there
that I remember.

Nancy, she just gave us
the money.

Uh, we left.

Someone came over and told me
there was a party at Sid's

and asked me
if I was going.

I didn't really
wanna be there.

You didn't know it was going
to be an important night,

it was just another
night out in New York.

Then, around 2:00
or something, 3:00,

I had a violent tooth ache
and a stomach ache.

Well, it's 19 years ago um...

But I know I don't go out
before midnight.

And I know Max's
closes at 4:00.

Probably somewhere
between 2:00 and 4:00.

So, I went home.

And then was seeking some type
of medication like a joint.

Right, and there was a dancer,

who lived on another floor.

hanging out
with a friend of mine, uh,

Pepe Valentine,
he was from
a group called Squirrels.

Now, he is Victor Colicchio

and a girl named Kelly Garrett.

And I called her up
and asked her,

"Oh, do you have a joint,
I got a tooth ache and stuff."

She came down.

Neon claims to have been
in the room with Kelly

and no last name
residents of room 301

where he received a call
from Nancy asking
for pot at 4:00 a.m.

Nancy called me.

Wanted to know
if I had a joint.

She talked about Sid.

I said, "How is he?"

And she says, "Oh, he's done
a couple of Dilaudids.

"And he is out of it

"and he's useless."

There was another voice
in the background
and it wasn't Sid.

I couldn't tell who it was,

but there was somebody else
in the room.

And she says, "Okay, well,

"call if you hear
about something."

I said, "Yeah, of course."
Right.

It was I'd say
between 4:00 and 5:00,

that they came,
that they called up.

Kelly came down to the room,

by the time I got dressed
and got down to the room...

We knocked on the door

and she opened
the door partially.

Uh, Sid was out of it,
out of it.

Uh, and there was a guy
in the room,

who I believe
always his name to be,

I would say Snakey, Spidey,

Skippy, I just remembered...

You know, a "S" and "E"
in the name.
I didn't pay attention.

And he was there
and they already had enough.

Sid was passed out.

And that was the last time
I saw either one of them.

So, I walked in, you know,
scanned around the room.

Sid was passed out on the bed,
passed out.

WOMAN: Did he move at all
while you were there?
No.

Never said anything?

Said anything?

No.

I was familiar
with his condition.

He wasn't sane, he probably
wasn't even dreaming.

But someone said, uh,
he had about 30 Tuinals.

ALAN: Basically, like Dilaudid,
it's the kind of drug

that's given
to cancer patients

to block out everything.

WOMAN: What are the
likelihoods that someone

who had eaten
30 Tuinals would get up

in an hour,
in a couple of hours and...

There is no possibility.

There is none.

Everybody who was
at that party,

told me how Sid was so stoned,

he could not
have lifted that knife,

much less stabbed
somebody with it.

Now, 30 Tuinal, you know,
boys and girls, will kill you.

It's not the kind of
experiment you wanna try
just to be like Sid Vicious.

It will kill you.
It'll fell a tree.

Now, whether he ate 30

or whether he ate three,
I don't know.

But, I knew people
who could do 30 Tuinals.

You know.

I was one of them.

'Cause when I saw him
and I know the amount
of Tuinals he took...

And...

I just can't see him killing
and going back to sleep

and there was just a lot of it
that didn't make sense.

I know for a fact
there are people

who went into that room
that night that Nancy died.

And when they told
their stories years later,

they said,
"Talk about the shock

"when we woke up
the next morning,
Nancy was dead.

"When we left
the Chelsea that night,

"we thought we're looking
at the late Sid Vicious.

A while later,

there's like a knocking
on the door.

No, pounding is more,
you know...
And it was so scary.

And then there was a sound,
to me it sounded like metal,

hitting the floor.
And some mumbling.

And, silence.

Honi O' Rourke came back
around 6:00 or something

and said that there's some
blood outside the door.

The thing that really
struck me though

was why no one had ever talked
to any of the people

who were actually there.

That there were so many
people in The Chelsea,

they were in that room
that night.

And that none of these people

seemed to have told anyone
their story.

As a matter of fact,
in the lobby
of the Chelsea Hotel,

the next morning,
when all the press,

and everybody was there,

there were newspaper people
all over the place,

I did approach one detective.

I don't remember his name,

but he wasn't interested at all
in anything that I had to say.

And the knife was left here
on the suitcase?

This is interesting.
I've got a better picture.

Yeah, look at that.
That's clean.

No blood,
no fingerprints, nothing.

VICTOR: I can't see
Sid wiping it.

And I can't see him, uh,

placing it there.

MALCOLM: And I think that

the mitigating circumstances
were such,

as told to me by the lawyer
that was representing him,

if there were no fingerprints
on this particular knife,

then we would obviously
have a very good case.

ALAN: Sergeant Houseman,
I think, looked

into the whole thing
a bit deeper.

And he suggested,

that had there been more time
and more digging done,

it's just possible there may
have been a different outcome

when the whole thing
got to court.

I know the police wanted
to speak to six people,

they never told me
the names of those people,

but I know
that in the police file,

there is at least one page

where six names
have been wiped out.

VICTOR: These names,
the fingerprints
must have been on record.

In order for my name
to be on here,

I would have to give
the cops my fingerprint.

So, it indicates to me

that these people
had previous criminal records,

otherwise, their fingerprints
wouldn't be on file.

ALAN: I just think it was one
of those scenarios,

where if they had
a little bit more time,

they may have done
more with it.

Right after this thing happened,

everybody in New York
was suspicious,

because the stories came out

that no money
was found in the room.

And people who'd
been at the party

saw her flashing
a lot money around.

NARRATOR: In the weeks leading
up to Nancy's murder,

Sid had played lucrative gigs
at Max's Kansas City.

And finally, been paid
his royalties on the sales
of My Way.

Paid in cash for both.

Whatever else happened
in room 100 that night,

are we also supposed to believe

that all this money
simply vanished?

Yet during the night,

the room had been accessed
by drug dealers, junkies,

band members and by NYPD.

ALAN: The NYPD had no clue
there was any missing money.

It's only
when various witnesses

started giving their statements

and talking about Nancy
dropping 100-dollar bills

in the corridor of the Chelsea.

I remember following Nancy
through the lobby,

picking up her money

because she was always dropping
100-dollar bills behind her.

I felt like Nancy had lost
some of her street smarts.

And picking those up, "Nancy,
put these away.

"This is, you know, remember
New York city." [LAUGHING]

NEON: The old Nancy, right,

would've never been
in a lobby of a hotel,

with thousands of pounds.

In New York?

What!

We were like,
"Put your money away.
What are you doing?

"Don't want people to see that."

"Are you, you know...
That's nuts!"

And you know, "Oh, fuck you."

I mean, she always had
about three grand on her.

Yeah, some people

might suspect the cops
have taken it.

But, uh, um,

I would think it would've...

I don't think it was
a motive in the killing,

but, uh,

it was an opportunity.

WOMAN: Sid?
Yeah.

What did he tell you?
He told me that,

he saw the drawer where
they kept their money was open.

And, it was missing.

And then he went
into the bathroom,
she was under the sink.

Oh.

And she was all bloody.

Somebody came in the room,

stabbed Nancy,
took the money and left.

That seemed like
a pretty normal story to me.

You know that
if you knew Nancy,

if she caught someone robbing
her money, she would attack.

There's talk
of a party in the room.

I can't see it as being
much of a party

because we know already
that Sid was out cold

before the night
was too old.

There were people
in and out of there.

ALAN: There wasn't
that many people
hanging around and staying.

HOWIE: And I think
they were the same people

over and over again.

We know that some people
said that some "drug dealer"

from the Chelsea Hotel
had been in there at that time.

Rockets Redglare,
he was another

self-seeking nutso.

Uh, wonderful person,
by the way.

But, uh, crazy.

I remember running into
Rockets on Avenue Way.

I remember
exactly where it was,

just by the street.

He'd sort of linked arms
with me and leaned on me

and he was
a tremendously big guy.

Told me,
"I'm writing a book.

"And there's gonna be
some very interesting facts

"that are gonna come out."

And I kind of had a feeling.
I knew where he was heading,

where he was going
with this.

And I let him go

and he starts saying,
"I did it."

And I didn't really
have to say,
"What did you do, Rockets?"

He was talking about,
you know, the book

and he was gonna
let people know
that he was the man.

There were rumors
that it was Rockets Redglare.

But as I said, he was the first
one insisting it wasn't Sid.

And I don't think someone
who committed a murder

would look to clear Sid.

Um, also he was a meal...

Sid was Rocket's
meal ticket at the time.

And I don't think
he would jeopardize,

and he also like the notoriety
of hanging out with Sid.

So, he definitely...
When he knew
the spotlight was on him,

he would, uh...
He would spin a tale or two.

I'm going, "Hello,
I'm Kathleen Wirt.

"I'm making a movie
about Sid Vicious.

"I'm proving
he didn't kill Nancy."

"Hello, I'm Kathleen Wirt.
I'm making a movie..."
You know.

And finally, I just said this
offhand to this one girl.

And she goes, "Oh, my God.
I know he didn't."

She goes, "That Michael guy
was crazy."

We're having a meal
before the gig.

And this kid
was sitting with Nancy,

blond hair kid.

And I said,

"Your boyfriend lived
at the Chelsea in 1978?"

She said, "Yeah."
And I said, "Was he a junkie?"

And she goes, "Oh, yeah."

And I said to Sid, you know,

"Who is that?"

And he says,
"Oh, that's Michael.

"Nancy really likes him."

She said that he lived
on the sixth floor.

And that there was a group
of actors that lived up there

that partied sometimes
with Sid and Nancy.

Would go down
to this first floor,

and that he was a part
of this group of people.

You're kind a young,
you know, maybe cute.

Maybe Nancy was cute...
I don't know.

I don't know what kind
of relationship they had.

Sid didn't really
seem to mind at all.

So, I was like, "Okay."

And apparently
he was there the night

that she was murdered.

NED: [SPEAKING]

This kid, um...

Definitely that the police
wanted to find this guy,

very anxious to find this guy.

I felt that they thought,
they knew

that this is the guy
that did it.

As far as I was concerned,

I couldn't tell them
a lot about this guy.

It was another guy
who just appeared
on the scene all of a sudden.

Michael had come upstairs,

after this had happened.

Sometime early in the morning.

WRIT: To everyone in the room,

when he said
that Sid had killed her,

that no one believed him.

And that he had shown up
with all of this cash,

tied up with Nancy's
purple hair tie.

And they all identified this guy
to the police supposedly.

Which is why I always thought
that if someone got hold
of the police file,

that his name
would be in there.

They closed the book,

I think 'cause nothing
ever came out about it.

Because nothing ever came out
about this guy Michael.

Who he was, and...

But I do have a drawing
I did of this guy.

I drew a picture of him

from memory.

'Cause I've never seen
a document.

But I did a sketch of what
I believe is this guy...

What I remember him
looking like.

This is the guy
that I think did it.

Michael.

NARRATOR: Every witness
who visited Sid and Nancy

on the night of Nancy's death,

claims that Sid was out cold
on Tuinal for seven hours.

This is backed up
by Bellevue Hospital records.

There are fingerprints
in the room

of six people
known to the NYPD.

Yet, there is no police record
of any of them

ever being questioned.

The murder weapon
is wiped clean

of blood and fingerprints.

How did this happen?

A large amount of money
simply disappears overnight.

How? Where to?

Who is Michael?

And why do
so many people believe

he was involved in the murder?

In more than 30 years
since Nancy's death,

none of these questions

have ever been
satisfactorily answered.

[STATIC]

[ SOUL SURVIVOR PLAYING]

* I'm a soul survivor

* And I live in a world of tack

* Whatever they say it just
Rolls right across my back

I actually saw The Great Rock
'N' Roll Swindle the other day.

It was funny watching Sid do

My Way and C'Mon Everybody.

You realize that he was
and could have been
a really great funk man.

But, hey, wasn't to be.

You know,
he had a fantastic look.

He had the best image
of all the punks at that time.

You know, he's still an icon.

JONES: The fact
that 30 years later,

I can still sort of still go
into a comic shop,

and still see him
and buy a doll.

Uh, it's just,
just is quite extraordinary.

KRIS: I recently
had a recklessly

extravagant time in New York.

And I went to CBGB's as well

and there was a Bob Gruen
exhibition there.

And Sid figures
prominently throughout it all

as being the face of punk.

If he didn't die,
I'd dare say he could
have been playing at Vegas,

you know, might be

running through
rock and roll numbers,

a few Sex Pistols numbers
and a couple of Sinatras.

It's always the same,
isn't it?

If you die that young,
that tragically

in such a sensational
spotlight like that,

um, you're almost
sort of like in amber.

It's happened to so many people.

You can see it all from
James Dean, Marilyn Monroe.

I've never met
anybody like him.

I probably never will meet
anyone like him again.

One unique character.

[ SOUL SURVIVOR PLAYING]

* And yesterday's flowers
Will be placed upon your head

* So come on, come on
Come on, come on

* Let's roll
Through rings of fire

* Come on, come on
Come on, come on

* Let's light
This flames' desire

* So come on, come on
Come on, come on

* Let's light this flaming fire

* So come on, come on
Come on, come on

* Soul survivor

* Soul survivor

* Soul survivor