Third Eye Spies (2019) - full transcript

One time we had a small
plane go down somewhere in Africa,

and we were not able
to find it by surveillance.

So the director of the CIA
heard about a woman in California

that was a medium or something.
I don't know the title for her.

And she gave him
the latitude and longitude

of the plane's whereabouts.

And we located the plan
where she said it was.

And that's the only time that I
have ever experienced something

that was inexplicable
while I was President.

He was the most
psychic man
in the world,

but nobody seems to
what killed him.



It began with Russell Targ.

The physicist in
the beret there

appeared at my door
with a box of documents.

Okay, so this is
Marker 701.

This is where the caretaker
told me I should start.

And I'm gonna see what this is.

And this is Marker 700.

So, indeed... Indeed Pat's
grave is entirely unmarked.

I think he deserved
better than that.

This is probably
my last opportunity

to say goodbye
to my good friend Pat.

Pat Price often said the more
attention you place on hiding something,

the more it shines like
a beacon in psychic space.

Pat Price died
in 1975,



and some people believe it was because
of his work with remote viewing.

Psychic spies, Cold War
whimsy, or secret weapon?

Some people may have
certain psychic powers.

This may reassure you,
it may alarm you,

but in fact, for some years now,
the US intelligence community

has wagered
a modest amount of money

on the possibility
that such powers do exist.

...such powers do exist.

...do exist.

But the most
enduring experiments

have been in the field
of remote viewing.

We got into it when we
discovered that they were in it.

We found that many individuals
were able to accurately describe

what's going on
in distant locations,

blocked from any kind
of ordinary perception.

Are you saying the work
you've been doing is classified?

I really can't talk about matters
of classification as you can imagine.

My name is Russell Targ,
and I'm a physicist.

This is our last chance
to tell our story.

I haven't been on a road
trip like this for many years.

They always assume
that people are immortal.

This is the final
boarding call for passengers...

I hope the people who have seen
and used operational material

will say, "Yes,
that really happened."

Final boarding
call for passengers...

A huge trove of material
was declassified by the CIA.

so this is really the first time
that the people who were cognizant

of secret material
can talk about it.

At one time,
humanity worshipped fire.

The shamans called it magic,
and the people feared it.

And now science recognizes fire as
simply another part of the natural world.

Ideas change based
on new evidence.

But the fear
of the unknown remains.

# The future, the future

# It all looms very large

What if psychic abilities were real?

What if you could
look anywhere

using only the power
of your mind?

And if these abilities
really exist,

what would that do
to the world

when it found out?

#...my crystal ball

The CIA financed a project in
1975 to develop a new kind of agent

who could truly be
called a "spook."

That when you told me you were
interested in using classified materials,

that you're eager to get
them out, and you were,

I was principally
concerned for you.

And our family, no doubt.

No doubt. We received
the letter,

from the CIA, and said,
"Sorry, not now, but later."

"Well, Nicholas, I'm just
gonna publish the book."

And I just thought that
what could be more important

than to help my father, one, get
the documents that he was seeking,

but also to help make sure
that he stayed out of jail.

So, that all seemed like
a very worthwhile enterprise

Yeah, very good thinking.

And I then contacted the
congresswoman in Palo Alto,

and she submitted a letter
on your behalf as well.

Oh, that's very nice.
I didn't know that.

Several months later, the CIA released
the documents that we had requested.

And you were able to tell me
the story in full detail.

If I taught you to expect a
miracle, it's been worthwhile.

With the floodgates now open,

an additional 70.000 documents
on remote viewing were declassified.

I can now show everybody the pictures
without having to kill them afterwards.

You can actually
take out of thin air

information about something
you have absolutely no access to

just using your mind.

If we wanna know why the CIA
was lying about our program,

Perhaps you should
go to Detroit,

and talk to Kit Green,
our former contract monitor.

He was branch chief of the
Life Sciences division at CIA.

I was given the
results, the drawings,

showed the ability
of a visual representation

that appeared to be better
than over-head imagery.

In Pat Price's drawings,

it was as if it was
from inside his brain

that the information
was coming,

not from his eyeballs
overhead looking down.

It was obvious to any
intelligence organization

that if you had an ability

to be able to remotely
perceive stuff,

really remotely,
like any place in the world,

that could be an extraordinary
intelligence source.

The remote viewing program basically
ran from the early '70s to the mid '90s.

For more than 20 years,
the CIA used psychic abilities

operationally, and in a top secret
program for the US government.

You paid for them,
you deserve to see them.

CIA said "Cease and desist."

People said this stuff is
so intriguing

that we got back into the game.

We once found a guy that
could see anywhere in the world

through his psychic powers.

We could show him
a picture of any place,

and he could describe
any activity going on there.

But he died, and we
haven't heard from him since.

CIA Director Stansfield Turner,
Chicago Tribune. August 1977.

I believe when he died, he was
out in Las Vegas or something

and Kit Green rushed out there.

Even though he died unattended,

in a hotel room, you don't need
to make it a medical examiner case.

Although, that's not correct.

And he was taken
to the emergency room

which I visited, speaking
now as a criminologist.

I would have investigated
the hell out of it.

But the water's
a little bit murky.

So, I'm gonna change to a bigger
fly that they can see better.

Ah, there we go. We got one.

So what do you do
with it after catching?

Catch and release only.

The cutthroats are now
pretty endangered.

So you can't keep 'em.

Where the red is,
it's like his throat's been cut.

Yeah.

Ken Kress was our long
term contract monitor at CIA.

He was a physicist.

Ken Kress became a mythic
figure when he wrote

a long paper inAnnals of
Intelligence describing our program

but he's never come forward.

Kress had never been
interviewed before this film.

And every question we asked had to
be submitted for vetting by the CIA.

I was undercover.

The fact that CIA was
even doing anything with SRI

was confidential information.

So, Sid Gottlieb looked around, came up
with my name, because I was a physicist,

and he called me in and he said, "Well,
I'd like you to take over this project."

And he said, "The reason
is there's two physicists in SRI

"and I think you three
can probably communicate."

The first series of experiments
here at Stanford Research Institute

were what the scientists
call remote viewing.

For example, here is
a re-enactment

of one of the first
experiments last year.

The subject was a New York
artist named Ingo Swann.

He was in the room,

the experimentists, Dr. Harold
Puthoff, and Russell Targ

were driving away in a car.

Their destination was
in a sealed envelope.

This day, it was Palo Alto
city hall,

the subject did not know.

But back in the room, the subject
began sketching and describing

where he imagined
they might be.

Here was the tape recording
that he made them.

There must be buildings
around sort of an area,

enclosed of some sort
of quadrangle or quad.

And then I sort of thought
there might be a fountain around,

but I didn't hear
any water in it.

There is a fountain.
That day, it was turned off.

Back in the room, the
subject sketched a pattern

he thought was crosswalks
coming together in a circle.

In fact, the courtyard is
paved in this pattern.

The courtyard where they were is two
miles from the room where the subject was.

There had been no
communication between them.

Somehow or another, Kit
Green, and Ingo got together.

Kit came up with a report
and he sent this back

circulating through CIA.

And eventually got
to Sid Gottlieb.

Gottlieb was already predisposed
to look at the psychic phenomena

from ten years ago.

As the CIA's sorcerer,
Gottlieb attempted to raise

assassination to an art form.

Out of his labs had come
many debilitating potions.

We knew
who Sid Gottlieb was.

He was the Director of
the famous MK Ultra program.

This is by 1974.

MK Ultra was the CIA's
notorious mind control program

in the 1950s and '60s

where they were
giving LSD to people

to see if you could create
a Manchurian candidate

and strip away their memories.

We considered him
sort of the Josef Mengele

of the American side.

Mengele, of course, was
a notorious Nazi physician

who did biological experiments
on Jewish prisoners.

Gottlieb was not doing that.
Gottlieb, of course, was Jewish.

He was just
torturing other people

independent of race or religion.

He was an equal
opportunity misanthrope.

From my point of view, he
reminded me of my old uncle Sid.

When he died, he was
out in Las Vegas or something.

In early 1972, I briefed
NASA and the CIA

and proposed experiments to help
people develop their psychic abilities.

Well, Hal and I thought it would be very
interesting to meet with Sid Gottlieb.

He was enthusiastic about the
idea of giving remote viewers LSD

as a way of enhancing
their psychic abilities.

I was opposed to that.

Remote viewing requires a
person's conscious cooperation.

And we explained that to Gottlieb and
he seemed to completely understand.

So led us down into the
basement of the Pentagon.

And it seemed to us that he was
sort of stored in the basement

with all of his books,

the only comfortable place
we'd ever been in the CIA.

The idea, after talking to
Gottlieb,

the decision to give us
money to go forward

probably had already been made.

Reports that the Soviets were
using psychics to spy on us,

prompted us to do
the same to them.

There was Intelligence.

Hard Intelligence.

I mean, Intelligence
that like really really good.

Internal program intelligence
about what the Soviets were doing

in medicine and psychology

that stated that they believed

that United States military,
United States intelligence officers

and United States scientists
would be ripe

for recruitment as spies

if they were interested

in crazy things
like psychic research,

remote viewing,
and parapsychology.

And they would
tell their government,

people who are responsible for
doing recruiting and so forth,

"Hey, if you wanna find somebody
in the Washington DC area,

"that might be
pretty interesting,

find somebody that spends their
time doing psychic research.

They must have been following
Russ around constantly then.

It's natural for a visually
handicapped person like me

to be interested
in optics, magic,

and extra-sensory perception.

I'm a legally blind
motorcycle-riding physicist.

In 1934, I was
born in Chicago.

I was a child magician.

I used to perform magic tricks in
birthday parties, and art openings.

As a magician, I understand
how people can be tricked.

That's always made me
a better researcher,

especially in a field like ESP.

I left graduate school
at Columbia in 1956.

And in 1958, I began working on the
earliest development of the laser.

I was looking for a way to get
into some kind of psychic research,

and still support my family.

Russell was enthusiastic,

and Hal was more like what you
would expect a theoretician to be.

But they both came
across as physicists.

I heard that there was gonna be
a lecture at Stanford University,

And there was a young
physicist, Hal Puthoff,

giving lecture on Psychic
Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain,

American and Russian ESP.

And I then went back and talked
to my new friend Hal Puthoff.

And I said I think
I got some dough.

Let's talk to your management
about creating a program,

and he said,
"That would be very nice.

"You just have to promise
that you'll keep it low profile."

So that was in June 1972,

and this led to the beginning
of our program at SRI

to investigate
psychic abilities.

I look forward to coming to
work, every day had a new miracle.

I feel like the child magician
finally got a job doing magic.

As we were doing
these experiments,

we began to run into flak

from the psychologists at SRI.

He said, "You know you've got that
crazy ESP experiments going on.

"That's gonna ruin
our reputation.

"We're gonna lose our funding.
Get rid of those guys."

Hal had worked
for several years

in Naval intelligence
in Washington,

and that may have made him
a little more secretive indeed.

I had access to one of the most
shielded experiments on the planet.

It was a shielded magnetometer
that measures weak magnetic fields.

Against his
better judgment,

Hal snuck his
very first subject

into a forbidden lab
at Stanford.

The man claimed to be the
greatest psychic in the world.

And his name was Ingo Swann.

Swann claimed that he could move the
needle of an unswayable magnetometer.

Buried under 30 feet of
concrete with a classified design

used to sniff out
nuclear explosions,

It even had
super-conducting shielding.

Its claim to fame was that nothing
from the outside could affect it.

Not only could Ingo
perfectly sketch the design,

but the needle moved,

and nearly got them kicked out of
Stanford for breaking the experiment.

And that got
the attention of the CIA.

I asked the CIA agents,
"Why are you looking me up?"

He says, "Well, we couldn't
care less about the fact

"that he
perturbed that magnetometer."

but the fact that he could look
through super-conducting shielding

and see what was inside,

that is really a concern.

In a way I can understand other
people's response to our work.

If someone had come up
and told me four years ago

the kind of things
I'm now telling people,

I think I would have
been skeptical also.

When I first met Ingo,

of course, he was coming out
with his claim of "being psychic",

And at the time, before I started
seeing results, I was very skeptical,

and he was very confident.

A psychic is a kind
of remote sensing device

and that I think
has a contribution

to make to both
science and humanity.

To understand Ingo, I think
you have to see a creative,

highly intelligent,
deeply wounded man

who found in remote viewing

a pathway to the acclaim
that he sought.

We might do an experiment that
looked like a really good outcome.

And he would say, " No, no,
no. This is not so good."

And he would come up
with some loophole.

And so, he would say, "Look, if
we take credit for an experiment,

"and then someone comes along later and finds some loophole or false positive,

"then they'll reject it,

"and even when we do good
experiments, they'll reject it."

He told me a story.
He was a homosexual,

which doesn't matter,
I mean, who cares,

but it mattered to him,

because he told me a story
which I never forgot,

of being beaten up by a bunch
of boys who he liked and admired

when he was a youth.

And I think he wanted
to be acknowledged.

I've often recovered
many of the thoughts

about existence
I had as a child.

A major one of these was the separation of consciousness

from the body which was
very real when I was a child.

This kinda thing happens
in art.

I believe, and I always have
believed, and I've returned to it

many times in my life
that I'm not this body

in terms of consciousness, and consciousness can go places where the body cannot.

It was very important to
him to be validated by SRI.

SRI was the first lab
of a different order

of magnitude from all prior
parapsychological research.

What SRI was
always upset about

is that during our day here,
we brought in 1% of the money,

and 99% of the publicity.

Back in 1972, SRI was primarily a contractor for the government,

and some industry.

With the riots of the late
'60s and the '70s,

the fact that classified work was
going on in Stanford University,

and they didn't
like that.

Up until that time,

most parapsychological research was done by small foundations

on minuscule budgets operating
in a corner of some basement.

At SRI, the level of
classification was top secret.

It took a long time to get
the security clearance.

You can't walk around. You have to be
escorted because of the secret projects.

Full of high class
scientific equipment beeping,

showing on the ray tubes,
and all that.

And when Russell and Hal
got positioned there,

it had a big impact.

And on Ingo, it had
a particularly big impact

because the work that he did
at SRI drew a lot of attention.

To be in that kinda laboratory,
they must be very important,

and really have
a grasp of the truth.

So, you guys had
a psychological procedure

that in the neighborhood, thing
as it were, it was fantastic,

and I think that's partially why
you got such damn good results.

And all of them succeeded
in remote viewing.

Doctors Puthoff and Targ
do not know how.

And so maybe one of the most important
things about the work done here,

is that it has been published in one of the most conservative,

and prestigious scientific
journals in the world.

With this note,

few readers will finish without
wondering for at least a moment

if indeed ESP might be
possible after all.

What a difference
that would make to us all.

Jack Perkins, NBC News, Stanford
Research Institute, California.

Ingo was really the father of
remote viewing in the modern era.

Before Ingo, people were describing
the picture in the envelope.

Square.

Good guess, but wrong.

He said, "If I wanna see what's in
the envelope, I'll open the envelope.

"I can focus my attention
anywhere on the planet.

"Give me something
interesting to look at."

And he threatened
to quit.

And so we ask him, "Well, what do
you mean? What would you like to do?"

And he says, "Just send somebody
out in the San Francisco Bay area,

"and I'll describe
where they are."

Well, it takes a lot of gut to
accept a challenge like this.

The psychics involved

could sort of get into it

at a creative level, and discover
things very distant from themselves

and then go find out
if they were really there.

Well, we had, by now,

thirty analysts, not
scientists, in CIA,

and maybe six or
seven scientists in CIA

talking about these
initial dozen or so results

of these anecdotal situations.

We began by speaking of some kind
of a psychic armors race here.

Is there any real
application to this?

At that time,
there were rumors certainly

that the government
was doing something

But nobody actually knew
what was going on.

Why are the intelligence
communities chasing after this thing

called remote viewing?

What if there are no secrets?

What's really going on here?

They had to put resources on
something that sounded crazy.

That's what it was.

And we would all talk about 'em and
say, "Well, I know I didn't lie."

"I know you didn't lie", and we
get polygraphed once in a while,

and it became clear
we weren't lying.

That wasn't the issue.

What's going on?

These people from CIA
were very concerned

They had one goal in mind.

To prove that it was nonsense.

"We've looked
into your background,

"you've had these
high security clearances,

"you've been polygraphed,
we know we can trust you..."

The Russians have been spending
millions of dollars over a decade

at some of the best institutes
investigating so-called ESP.

No scientist in America even
believe there's such a thing as ESP.

In fact, it was because the Soviets had
a completely materialistic viewpoint,

even in Lenin's writings.

He said, "Since consciousness is inobservable, it must be physical."

And therefore, physical things must have consciousness.

And so he thought even atoms
had some level of consciousness.

And then the question becomes how close
does it have to be for you to see it?

Can you see it in this room,
or in the next?

Can you see anything
on the other side of town?

The question began to start
formulate about distance.

Maybe, like everything else
that we know physically,

it's quantum mechanical, that
means it's spread out everywhere.

It's not in space-time anymore.

So, exactly the same way that I
can focus on my name being spoken,

there's something about
a tension that I can use

in order to narrow in
and pay attention to something.

So, if I want to pay attention
to what's happening

on Pluto a million years ago,

I should be able to do that.

That's kind of what
the remote viewers do.

I mean, Ingo Swann was looking at Jupiter nine months beforeVoyager got there,

and correctly describe rings that no
astronomer had ever seen or even suspected.

So how did he do that?

Well, it suggests that the rings
of Jupiter was in his head already.

This becomes a very materialistic way of thinking about what's going on,

but who cares? I'm interested in what the truth is.

We don't know how
to evaluate this.

We don't know
if it's a threat or what.

I would say the difference between
the American scientific community

and the Soviet is that
at the highest levels

in the Soviet scientific community,
psychic research is taken seriously,

and there's no doubt about it.

And you claim,
in this country, it is not.

I would say,
in this county it's not,

because people are worried about
the so-called giggle potential.

Our normal socialization,
being psychologists now,

is that stuff like ESP is
nonsense. It can't happen.

So if somebody tells you to do
it, there asking something stupid.

And they banged a telephone
book sized thing down the table,

Paraphysics R&D, Warsaw Pact

from the defense
intelligence agency.

When I thumped through that and saw
all the work that was going on...

So the CIA was tracking
all of these people?

Yeah, in this case, it was DIA.

Here is the report
that I finally wrote

that summarized
everything we could find.

At that time, it was called Key
Intelligence question number 9.

I labeled it "Paraphysics",

I had to find a word that allowed
us, the foreign technology division,

to sense that there is a
legitimate physics connection here.

So let's just... randomly, "government
support for parapsychic research"

Paraphysics.
- Paraphysics.

"Returning with stories of official
government support for such research."

In fact, such reports seem
unquestioned by anyone.

All of the Soviet centers, of
course, are government funded.

1971..."

That's right.

So, especially over there, since
everything was government funded,

you had to take it
more seriously.

In principle, this document forms more
policy than anything else that goes on

in the intelligence community.

And why should the intelligence
community be interested in it?

To access information,
in a generic sense.

You can use it
for communication,

to place in submarines,
and that came up later.

I thought, you know, they'd
laugh me out of the room.

So what was reaction when
you said that? Positive.

You got a positive reaction?
- Yes.

They said, "Hey, this is
good stuff. Follow it."

When he wrote
his first report,

Dale Graff had no idea what he was
getting Defense Intelligence into.

Despite a series of
remote viewing experiments

that beat the odds
at over one million to one,

the CIA was still skeptical.

The Army, CIA, DIA...

They all had remote viewing
programs eventually.

But it all began
with the NSA break-in.

The real operational work not
with the bang of bullets and bombs,

but with a whisper.

I'm sorry, actually,
I misdirected you.

You are on the right...
No, no, we should be up there.

About two psychics,
and two laser physicists,

that broke into the most secret
NSA site that ever existed.

It was whisper that would
eventually be heard around the world.

The CIA had a new
secret weapon.

There was a hiatus, and then
Sugar Grove came along.

And somebody says
this cockamamie thing,

"Well, now what we're doing is we're
doing remote viewing by coordinates."

And I say, "What?"

It was
code named SCANATE.

The SCANATE program
was started by Ingo Swann.

And in that program, where we were
using remote coordinate viewing,

if you were described what was located at any geographical coordinate,

latitude and longitude, and
we'd then describe what's there.

And they tell me what this is.

And I say something like, "Well,
you're gonna have to prove that to me."

And the door opened at the end of
the hallway, and a guy walks out.

"Could you give me
some coordinates?

Just map coordinates
of a place that you know."

He says, "This will do it."

He says, "I'm positive you don't
know anything about what's there."

I said, "Perfect,
perfect, perfect."

I took him.

And then Kit gave Harold those
coordinates that nobody knew about.

From this standpoint, it's really a sexy
target, it's got all kinds of antennas.

It seems like a very hush
hush place, very military,

and he drew how
things were laid out.

The results
came back so specific...

...on paper,

that I was just like,

I was kind of nonplussed.

It included the diagram,
the guardhouse,

accordion doors that roll up,
big enough to put a Jeep through.

Four storeys below, hallway,
cipher lock,

And I took it
to my colleague Dave,

who'd given me
the coordinates,

and I said, "Here."

He said, "Man! Green!

This is nonsense."

I said, "Are you really sure?"

And he said, "Man,

I gave you the coordinates
of the log cabin

I just built

in West Virginia."

So, I called up my colleagues,

and I gave them the results,

And I got sick of it.

And just before I hung up,

a fellow I was talking to,
who I can't name,

but whose initials
were Russ Targ...

...said, "Yeah, it's
really too bad.

It's really too bad.
Really too bad."

The other guy found
the same thing.

Early in the SRI program,
there had been some publicity

and Pat Price had read about it.

That happened to be right when we had been
asked to target on the West Virginia side.

So it was over the telephone,

saying, you know, I used
to be police commissioner

or something like
that in Burbank.

And sometimes, I would get intuitive
flashes about some crime scene

that we were working on,

It would turn out
I must be right.

Maybe I should be a subject.

SRI comes up with Pat Price.

He had a map over his desk

and he had a bunch of pins
on the map of the world.

And those pins were all
stuck in the ocean.

And I ask him. I said,
"Pat what are all those pins?"

They're just scattered
all around.

He said, "Oh, I'm following all
the nuclear submarines in the world.

I move pins
when I relocate them."

For an intelligence officer this would be
one of the most fundamental breakthroughs

in naval intelligence if you could
follow all the submarines in the world.

Pat Price was brought
in independently

to describe the same
target location

and went on to read
documents hidden in a vault

three floors below the surface.

And so that's
really interesting.

"Okay, I'll talk...
What did you say?"

And I drove to the coordinates,

and I found the cabin.

And 100 meters down the road I
found a dirt road from the cabin.

I drove down it,

found the guardhouse,

found the dish,
found the accordion door.

This naval
installation's purpose

is to perform communications research
and development for the US Navy,

the Department of Defense,

and various elements
of the US government.

I reported that.

It got to the office
of research and development,

it got to the office of OTS...

And there was, you know,
a huge controversy...

I mean...
- It started as a very small wall.

But what the person who picked
the target didn't realize

was just right over the ridge, miles away,

was this super secret facility

for picking up Russian
satellite information

as it went overhead.

And so, both of them said, "Ah, maybe
that's what they want us to describe."

In the 1960s, Sugar Grove
became one of the NSA's

most important Cold War
listing facilities.

And then the whole thing
blew up.

But remember, it was about
what was inside that building.

File folders
with the following names.

I remember that they were all
associated with the pool game.

like, playing pool
or billiards.

The filing cabinet on the north
wall labeled Operation Pool Cue.

4-ball, 8-ball, rackup...

I'm saying, you know,
this is reminiscent

of his visit to the place
that Kit took him.

Within 24 to 48 hours,

I had security office
in my office at headquarters.

And they were grim-faced,
and they were upset.

They had been told... I was told
it's official. It's been made public.

The filing cabinets were there, they
were green, there were file folders,

and they had the exact three
names on the file folders.

Now that was the first thing
that was important

is that they were correct.

However, those guys
out in California

got the code names. They got code names
that were part of a special access program.

Not just code names,

they got special access
program code names

which were classified
top-secret,

the names were
classified top-secret.

We were then descended upon by all the
law enforcement in the United States.

We had government agencies
from NSA and CIA

coming to visit us and find out why the CIA had targeted a group of psychics

to go spying on the NSA.

So, I didn't know whether
to be sick to my stomach,

or what to do.

So, it wasn't just Kit Green,
it was the owners of the site.

And some of it, like some
of the names that I told you

turned out to be accurate.

And so, you know, the first
concern, security leak.

Somebody has
let this information out.

If I was Director of
Intelligence or even President,

and I was briefed on what you
just told me about code words,

I would think that this was
either a propaganda thing,

or I would think
that there's a guy

who could probably look
inside a nuclear missile silo

and give me the launch codes.

And that guy is
really important,

and potentially dangerous.

It's either a hoax,
or it's real.

I know. Now, if you're
asking me where I sit,

it's in the latter.

What really is going on here?

Do we have a
counter-Intelligence issue

where people can do this
sort of stuff against us?

And of course, the other side of this,
"Hey, can we do it against somebody else?"

How would it be if we spent half
of our time on operational targets,

for the CIA, and half
of our time doing research?

And he said, "I understand what
you wanna do. That would be fair."

Everybody knew that there had
to be some foundational science

or this stuff would
never be accepted.

Stanford Research Institute has been conducting an experimental program

in the field
of psycho-energetic effect.

I had Hal and Russ
bring Uri Geller to me.

who was supposedly one of the psychokinetic people

who could take a bend spoons, and do
other magic kind of things with materials.

And we had
an experiment set up.

Fifteen drawings were placed in
double-sealed envelopes in a safe

for which none of the
experimenters had the combination.

This is Gullers's
representation of what

he believed was sealed
in the envelope.

This is the most off-target
of the drawings that he did.

As you can see, he is quite elated
about getting the right answer.

Hey, this is real.

Don't you try to debunk this.

Because it is
scientifically proven.

And I can tell you, the agency
did a little background check

on Uri and find out that
he might be working

for some other government,
shall we say.

And so, he was distraught. There were security concerns...

The worry was...

...that there was national security information that could be gathered.

What he said was that he
mushed his head into a safe,

and these words
popped into his mind.

When a CIA analyst reads this,
he says, "What?"

Does that mean if I have
a document on my desk

that I consider highly
sensitive and classified,

that there could be some Russian
psychic a thousand miles away,

reproducing what
I'm looking at?

Suddenly the lights
came on,

and we had CIA money, and
fresh support for our research.

I'll be working with you in the
same way, sometimes 24 hours a day.

Our CIA handlers warned us
to be wary of bugs,

phone taps,
and even honey pots.

...personal problem to me.

We could see anywhere, and
they had unlimited resources

to back up our claims.

We even had a degree of
fame among those in the know.

It was like a dream come true.

With new funding,
and assignments from the CIA,

it seemed as if Hal and Russell could do no wrong.

What kind of place
do you experience them at?

Attorney General from somewhere in Northern California

came to us and said, "Would
you help us with this case?

"She's been kidnapped."

The heiress had been kidnapped
from her Berkeley apartment.

As we walked in, the police
were very excited

and they said, "We've a lot
of questions we wanna ask you."

And Price said, "Let me
show you how we do this.

"Let me see a mug book."

Then he put his finger
on Donald DeFreeze,

and said, "That's
the ring leader."

The Berkeley police said,
"We know, who he is.

"He walked away from a minimum
security prison a year ago."

And he said, "You know, this is
not a regular kidnapping for money.

"This is some kind
of political thing."

And then she's photographed
robbing banks

alongside him with an AK-47
or something like that

with the other crooks.

I get this image of cross-hairs,
looking at cross-hairs.

Uh, we're getting closer.
It's more like an intersection.

He told where the car that they
had kidnapped her in had been left.

Across a freeway, are two
large white gas storage tanks.

And one of the detectives said, "Well I know where that is."

So the police came out, and
they actually found the car.

And we went to a shack they
thought might be a hideout.

I had the experience of the
detective handing me a sidearm,

and said, "You know
how to fire a pistol?"

And I said, "I happen to
own an automatic. Yes, I do."

So he didn't realize that
he's handing Mr. Magoo

an automatic so that
I could cover his back.

...handsome walking stick.

This is an assignment
outside my job description.

...continental flavor...

We were basically detectives
in the case, on the street.

Boots on the ground,
so to speak.

Problem was that the Berkeley
police did not cooperate

with the Alameda sheriff's
department, the country sheriff,

and neither of them were
cooperating with the FBI.

It was only after the
entire thing was resolved,

we found out that that indeed was
the area where she was being kept,

and the layout in the apartment
was as he described

and in fact she was being
kept in the closet.

And we got a formal commendation
from the Berkeley Police Department.

Unfortunately, a lot of people
got killed in the meantime.

They attracted not only
fans and law enforcement...

CIA had gotten hold
of Soviet documents

in which our names
were in there as targets

and to be turned, if possible.

That's when we said,
"Well, we have to take

"this whole thing
very seriously."

And I began to feel frightened.

It felt like a penetrating
end to a dangerous area.

When he died,
he was on Las Vegas.

Medical circumstances would
admit to a coronary,

and would admit to what
he said he was suffering from,

which was poisoning,

particularly, he said,
a food poisoning.

Later on, somebody said, "Well,
you know, the KGB did admit it."

And I said, "Oh yeah,
I hear these rumors,

"but I have no reason
to believe that."

... State sponsored
assassination attempt.

Statements of
he Prime Minister.

But now, eight days on,
Theresa May came to the comment,

in her hands, one of the
most remarkable statements

she's delivered
as Prime Minister.

It is now clear that Mr.
Skripal and his daughter

were poisoned with a
military grade nerve agent

of a type developed by Russia.

This is part of a group of
nerve agents known as Novichok.

It causes suffocation
and heart failure.

I said,
"What do you mean?"

They said, "Well, there
was a TV program recently..."

I mean, this was a decade later,

where they were
interviewing an ex-KGB agent

who had been involved
with an assassination squad.

And the interviewer
had asked him,

"What do you do? How do you
carry out an assassinating?"

"If we had somebody as a target, we
find out what the medical profile was,

and then we would
do something

that would cause that medical
condition to go south quickly.

And then it would just be
assumed a medical event.

And that way,
we wouldn't be found out."

And so the interviewer, I'm told,
I haven't seen his program yet...

The interviewer said, "Well, did
you ever actually use that approach?"

And he said, "Yeah, once on a
psychic. He worked with the CIA."

They really do, for instance, have a
Soviet experiment in remote strangulation.

Larissa Vilenskaya was
put in charge of monitoring

SRI's ESP work from Moscow.

Kamiensky was in Moscow,

and Nicolai was in Leningrad.

Kamiensky imagined that he
tried to strangle Nikolai.

Nikolai was unaware, he felt
that he couldn't breathe.

He was at the edge
of unconscious state.

And suddenly,
everything disappeared

just because Kamiensky in
Moscow stopped transmit this image

I do solemnly swear... and
will to the best of my ability m

preserve, protect, and defend the
constitution of the United States.

So help me God.

I got frustrated as I realized we
may be trapped in our own success.

Everything was now a secret.

I couldn't even tell my family,

our phones might be tapped.

There's something secret about this
program. What is it with a secret program?

But we weren't
publishing anything.

We went to the CIA
handlers and said,

"Look, you gotta let us publish
some of these experiments.

Everyone's beginning to say, "Well,
gee, maybe it's a secret program."

So we got their
permission to put together

a series of our Bay Area remote
viewing experiments, and publish them.

They wouldn't let us
publish the hot stuff

and they didn't care about
the bigger implications of our work.

Maybe I had made
a deal with the devil.

I said have them go back
and get some work.

One of the obvious thing was to do
something on the operational side.

So I started searching around

for a project that would
have some impact.

It was a research facility. That
was all that we were gonna tell.

So this was our very first,
number one Soviet site.

Pat Price was
remote viewing this case.

The CIA people came
and just gave us coordinates,

and said, "Look here."

And so he leans
back in his chair,

puts his glasses on,

and I'm looking at him,

and I'm saying to myself,
"Why does he put his glasses?"

He always said,
"I put my glasses on

"'cause I can see better
remotely when I got my glasses on."

And I'm sitting there
thinking, "Yeah, okay."

We sat down with our coffee,
and I said, "Here's the target, Pat,

"what do you see?"

Next morning, they
came back with a sketch.

And we showed him the picture...

He said, "Well, I've got this
science fiction fantasy crane."

Well, we looked at that, and

you know, we were quite frankly
astounded at the similarities.

And he unrolled a big
picture of an R&D facility

and right in the middle
of this facility

was a photograph
of a giant gantry crane

So, the sketch on the left,

is what Price produced.

And this one is the one that is
derived from the photographic...

Or from the sketch
from the photographic image.

He said, "Ah, this
is a huge crane",

he said, "I saw somebody
walk by in it",

and the guy only came
up to the axle

or something on the wheels
or up to the top of the wheels.

"Pat, what do you see
about underground?"

He said, "One of the big
things they're doing here

"is making these 60 foot
spheres out of steel."

They're actually 58 feet.

What I was told was
the analysts of Semipalatinsk

did not know about the gores.

They finally rolled out a
60-foot diameter steel sphere

that's part of a containment
vessel for particle beam weapon

to shoot down American
surveillance satellites.

Exactly what Price described.

The end game is
this big review occurs

of all operations-oriented testing
from a contractor like SRI should stop.

So in other words, CIA's decision
was because of security concerns,

they were gonna cut out SRI
and work with Pat directly.

So they did so.

CIA moved Pat Price to a farm
in the outskirts of Washington.

He was doing day to day
spying for the CIA.

We've broken into
some foreign embassies

in foreign countries,
and we bugged 'em.

And we have
the operational files.

So what we did
is we got Pat Price,

and we brought
one of the people

who had made this entry
into the room with Pat.

So we gave him
a photograph

of the outside of the building,

but the goal of
those operational people

was to find the code room

of the embassy,
and basically bug it.

So they needed
to get in the embassy,

find it, place a bug,
and get out

before the guards
opened up the next morning.

He supposedly located the
physical place in the embassy

that was the coderoom area.

So, according
to the operations guy,

yeah, he found the place,
and they should use him again.

He was inside the code room.

Sonning Court, Thames Street.

That's a... The Wizard
of Sonning Court.

Hello?

Hello, this is Russell.

Come in.
- Thank you.

Uri Geller knows
a lot of our code rooms.

Uri says he spent a
long time working for Assad.

So perhaps he knows what
happened to Pat Price as well.

If you can tell me,
what was the meeting about?

What were you doing in the
secret room in the Capitol?

Actually... - You must
have been briefing somebody.

Yes, actually there were probably
two or three shielded rooms

in different levels, but it's
actually in the Capitol dome,

the shielded room.

It is a room where no
eavesdropping can take place.

Because the walls are leaded,
etc., all kinds of materials,

even the plugs are different...

And... You know, it could
also be a wine cellar,

so while doing secret work...
- That's fine.

...you can drink wine
and get drunk.

Okay. What I wanted... The shielded
room was a perfect conversation.

Yes.

But I wanna talk to you
about the death of Pat Price.

And Pat comes in
with this description

of an underwater
sabotage training facility

several kilometers
away from the sea coast.

And that's the information that
passed on to the Libyan desk.

They saw a facility,
basically, where he said,

that they haven't seen before
and few days later, Pat Price died.

This was the end of Pat Price.

CIA hired
Price away from us.

And four months after joining
the CIA, Price was dead.

And the big question is, was he
killed, or was it a natural death?

Like in the movies, you wanna
know did he jump or was he pushed?

What do you think?

The emergency
department people said

that there was an individual
that came in with him,

with a briefcase who showed the
attending physician in the emergency room

his recent EKGs from Greenbrier,

which was the facility
that I knew that we'd taken him

to get his cardiological
work-up some months ago,

and basically said, "Look here. The guy
had rampant serious coronary artery disease.

He had a heart attack, so even
though he died unattended,

in a hotel room, they decided,
"they" meaning the hospital,

and the police, to not make
it a medical examiner case.

So they didn't do an autopsy,
although that's not correct.

And the man disappeared with
a briefcase, with the notes,

they never took it any records
of it, body was removed,

and cremated,

and then they called his wife.

Yeah, wow.

Price was known
to have a heart condition

and he may have
had a heart attack.

That's it. Next?

The Russians
may have killed him.

And the third?

My opinion...
- Yes.

...is that CIA
discovered quickly

they had a terrible problem...

After Price's death,

it emerged that his church may have
been attempting to blackmail the IRS

using classified documents.

There was a file cabinet that's
got a folder full of his stuff in it.

This church had a problem
with the government.

He would go back
to his church officials,

and immediately give them a
debriefing of everything that he said

and everything that I said...

Here the guy who was walking
on water was a traitor.

I do not think he was
a spy for his church.

You know, I was
shocked and devastated,

because I had no idea
about this.

If he walks into the President's
office, and reads the nuclear code,

if it turns out that
Superman is a double agent,

what do you do?

If he didn't understand,
and misinterpreted

what it was that he could tell
his confessor in his church,

I forgive him that.

That's not Pat's fault.

Knowing Intelligence, knowing
what's happening around the world,

and having worked
for certain agencies,

I know a little more
about his story.

That's exactly why
I wanted to talk to you.

And people who are
so valuable,

are never taken out.

They tempt them
with amazing

circumstantial monies...

Dwellings, houses,
to work for them.

They would never...

This is like killing the goose
that lays golden eggs.

Devices, which would have
enabled the CIA to this poison

for killing people...

Does this pistol fire the dart?

Yes, it does,
Mr. Chairman,

and a special one
was developed

which potentially would be able to
enter the target without perception.

Well, the CIA had
a heart attack gun

that was revealed.
- Okay now...

The CIA is not in the
business of killing people.

Well, they were in the business of
making a very complicated killing machine.

And they got in lot
of trouble for that.

I saw Pat shortly before
he was killed.

He was coming to see us.
Yes...

But before he left, he called
several of his friends to say goodbye

in an odd way.

So, in short, he predicted
his own death.

And he purchased
a $1 million life insurance

to give to his wife
Anne at the airport.

You see, I didn't know that.
Interesting.

And he changed his trip
to visit his son

in Salt Lake...

Maybe he had the psychic
feeling that he was about to die.

He must have been one of the
greatest psychics in the world.

Yes.

Some army remote viewers tasked
themselves on Price's death years later,

and decided he was
still alive, and at work.

Of course, this was
just speculation.

This is entirely unmarked.

He deserves better than that.

Shortly after that, Hal and I
were called back to Washington

for an investigation.

What the CIA had hoped to squash
by eliminating SRI's contract

would only grow after
anAviation Week article released

after Pat's death, perfectly matched his
description of the gores of Semipalatinsk,

something no one else
in US Intelligence knew.

This shook the halls of power.

and set into motion new
fears of Russian psychic spies.

The question is, "Why?"

What was happening
in July, August of last year?

The House Committee
on Intelligence Oversite

decided there must
be a security leak

that gave the California
psychics the information

that no one in the rest of
the Intelligence community had.

Actually, I was excited about
the opportunity to brief them

because by this point
in our career,

the more people at high levels
who knew about what we were doing,

the more support there was, to
make sure the program went forward.

Unfortunately, we learn today
that these efforts by Russia

to discredit the US,
and weaken the West

are not new.

There were four senators out
there fighting to keep it going.

What's next?

Are we looking
at a new Iron Curtain

descending across
Eastern Europe?

And we were supported
for another decade.

One physicist said

there was no point
in teaching Physics anymore

because we'd learned
all there was to know.

And now we look
back and realize

that what we thought we
knew was the tiniest fragment.

Although the CIA publicly denigrated
the idea of remote viewing,

and claims to end interest in this
subject after the death of Pat Price,

SRI's rising profile led to
partnerships with every single branch

of the intelligence community.

Defense Intelligence Agency took on
a contract with the US Army in 1978

It begins. But this being the Army,
it really starts with a drill naturally.

Over 3000 troops
in Fort Meade, Maryland

were screened by army
intelligence to find the top six

that would spearhead
the program.

That first day
in the company...

These were grunts,
regular guys.

Vietnam vets, picked because they
had a knack for avoiding landmines,

and the CIA didn't like it.

It caused leaks.

The most decorated,
was Remote Viewer 001,

Chief Warrant Officer
Joe McMoneagle.

The Stanford Art Museum was Joe
McMoneagle's first ever remote viewing.

We then did five
more trials with him.

Altogether, we did 36 trials
with the six army volunteers.

Of the 36 trials, these
officers were able to get

19 first place matches were one
would expect only six by chance.

The odds of such an excellent result
is better than one in a million.

Joe got the Legion of Merit.

That is a very big deal.

It is the second highest
non-combatant award

that the military gives.

He has done more
live to tape remote viewings

than anybody else alive.

He lives
at the top of the mountain

where every great prophet lives.

He was
the first to speak out

when parts of the program
were outed in 1995,

and subsequently
denigrated by the CIA.

It may have helped locate
American hostages in Iran.

There were two or three
others who were held away

from the embassy and no one seemed
to know exactly where that was.

We were instrumental in
helping identify that location.

I was paid to do remote
viewing by the US Army

for six straight years.

And indeed, he turned out to be one of the
most psychic people we ever worked with.

You can actually
take out of thin air

information about something
you have no access to

just using your mind.

Remote viewing was first brought
to my attention by Skip Atwater.

It occurred to me...

I had been nine or ten years doing
this counter-intelligence work

when I said, "Colonel Webb, I
brought this book called Mind-Reach",

and if what they say
in this book is true,

there's a huge gap in our
counter-intelligence effort here.

I left the book
Mind-Reach with him,

and the next day I came in,
and he says, "You're right.

"If this is true, what's
being said in this book,

"this is something that
we aren't attending to."

This might, in fact, be a threat
to the Intelligence community.

One of our greatest
operational successes

was when Joe McMoneagle
pinpointed and described

an enormous Russian submarine in a
location where it was totally unexpected.

There was a very
very large building.

We didn't have enough
Intelligence by ordinary means

to know what is being
built inside that building.

The building was hundreds
of yards from the water.

What I decided
through remote viewing

was that they were probably
constructing a new submarine.

And the submarine was unique
in that it had twin holes.

The holes were actually
stuck together this way.

So it was a twin-holed,
very wide submarine.

It was half a gan larger than any
submarine in existence at the time.

It had dozens
of new capabilities,

and I said they're going
to launch in 120 days.

And this was all disagreed with
by the senior officer from the CIA.

He made arrangements to look
at the area 114 days later.

And they in fact had
launched the largest submarine

ever built in history. It's called the
TK-089, the Typhoon class submarine.

The only response we got
from that individual was

it was a lucky guess.

And that individual was
Robert Gates.

Did you at any time feel that this
was worth the tax payers' money?

Well, all I can say is,
that in the 20 years

or 25 years that I was perhaps
in a position to be aware,

I don't know of a single
instance where it is documented

that this kind of activity
contributed in any significant way

to a policy decision or even
to informing policy-makers

about important information.

In October 1983,

Secretary of Army John Marsh
was briefed by Lt. Col. Busby of INSCOM.

His report stated that 350
of 700 remote viewing missions

or 50% were deemed to
possess intelligence value.

And 85% showed positive
evidence for remote viewing.

We probably collected more
intelligence on that one submarine

in four days than
the entire Soviet Sub pact.

What you have to understand is

the program operated
year to year

based on its successes,
not its failures.

And the fact that it was
funded on a year to year basis,

speaks loudly as to why
it existed to 20 years.

And the chief proponent,
in terms of tasking,

or the one agency that probably used
more remote viewing than any other agency,

was the CIA.

I'm familiar with that quote
that Gates, there's nothing...

We closed the program because
it didn't amount to anything.

Let me just read this
one thing I've got here.

Joe got the Legion of Merit.

And Joe, upon
his retirement, got this.

"While with his command, he
used his talents and expertise

"in the execution
of more than 200 missions,

"addressing over 150 essential
elements of information."

These EEI, Essential
Elements of Information,

contained critical intelligence reported
at the highest echelons of military,

and government, including
such national agencies

as the Joint Chiefs of Staff, DIA, NSA, CIA,

DEA, and the secret service

producing crucial and vital intelligence
unavailable from any other source.

That would tend to suggest that
Gates was not telling the truth.

We had the total support of
five administrations in a row.

Carter stood up and said,
"We did this wonderful thing

"when they found
the Tupolev bomber."

And the reported said,
"How did you find it?"

He said, "We used our psychics."

We're on our way
to see President Carter

and talk with him
about our mission

to find a downed Russian
bomber in Zaire.

We helped him pull the Soviet
bomber out of the jungle

before the Soviets
could find him.

Let's see if he'll acknowledge that
as he did in his recent autobiography.

One time we had a small plane
go down somewhere in Africa,

and we made it very much to find
out where that plane had crashed.

And we were not able
to find it by surveillance.

So, the Director of the CIA

heard about
a woman in California

that was a medium or something.
I don't know the title for her.

And she gave him
the latitude and longitude

of the plane's whereabouts.

We located the plane
where she said it was.

That's the only time
that I had ever experienced

something that was
inexplicable while I was President.

One evening I'm
called into the office.

I was working late,
and they said,

"We understand that you have
some people who can find things."

I said, "Yeah, I have
the SRI contractor.

They have people
on staff there."

They said, "Well, this is
really a top-secret,

burn before reading
kind of project.

Here's a picture
of an airplane that's missing.

And how can we get into Africa,

and get to the airplane
before the Soviets get there?"

It was a defector.

He just took this airplane south
until he thought it ran out of fuel,

and the airplane kept going.

But it still had fuel.

That's why they couldn't
find it. It wasn't there.

I said, "Well, that's because
you're looking in the wrong place."

Look over here.

By this time, an entire
intelligence community was involved.

Um, she drew this.

So, I took the sketch...
This is the sketch,

and I handed it
to the search team.

And so I'm looking
at this huge map.

And it's 200 miles this
way, 200 miles down,

She looks at that map,
and goes up to the map,

"Over here. Here's where it is."

The pin went into the map.

They sent a helicopter
out to investigate the area,

and shortly after they landed,

a native comes
out of the jungle,

carrying a piece of metal.

It turned out it was from
the airplane that crashed.

And it was within about a mile of
where it was... Where the actual site was.

All of the information was in the
field before the airplane was found.

And the CIA did a special check on
that to make sure, and so did NSA

to make sure that my story
did hold water.

The information was there
before we knew where it was.

The woman who drew the sketch
referenced Dale, and President Carter,

was an Air Force officer.

She, and an SRI remote viewer,

also crucial
to the case's success,

have never come forward.

The research out of SRI
showed that remote viewing

had no predictable
scientific limits,

or even theories to explain it.

As the team racked up
success after success,

higher and higher up the chain
of command the question was asked,

how can any of this
even be possible?

I said, "Well, we've done
this remote viewing experiment,

and the results
are significant."

He said, "One of those guys is
blind, and the other one is crazy."

The perfect team
for examining psychic abilities.

That's what I thought.
Oh boy.

There's, of course, no way to deal
with people who don't want to know.

A storm starts brewing,

and then we get a new Director of
office of Research and Development.

He could not accept the reality
of paranormal activity.

He said he knew
that this was not real.

And a guy in the back of the room
jumped up and said, "I know what this is.

"Somebody's taking notes
to see which of us is gullible,

"whoever is taking notes, I want you
to know, I'm not buying any of this."

And he marched out.

A week later, I
came back, and I said,

"Did you evaluate it. Can you
tell me what you thought about it?"

He said, "No,
I didn't evaluate it."

And he said, "I'm not going to."

And I said, "What?"

We're fundamentalists.

There may be something to it,

but it may be demonic.

We don't want anything
to do with this.

"You are working with people

"who are in league with the devil, and
you are part of the Antichrist movement."

And I picked up the data
and walked out.

Deniers who think there is no
consciousness beyond our skulls,

are a powerful force
in American society,

are anti-science, because they
do not respect or accept facts.

They are people whose
world view is based on faith,

of a very particular kind

and belief in dogma.

It is about dogma. Absolutely.

From a religious standpoint,
all the way down...

I mean, people
that are afraid of it,

which is half the people
in the planet.

So damaging, it's...

I had a senior senator
in camera

in a meeting in camera
stand up and say,

"You, sir, are doing
the work of the devil,

"and you will burn
into fires of hell."

And walked out.

That's a senior lawmaker.

And in the same meeting
when we broke for coffee,

I had another senior lawmaker

hug me and whisper in my ear,
"You're doing God's work, son."

Now which one
scares you the worst?

I think psi research
is important, because it's

an essential part of reality

which science hasn't
yet taken note of.

Furthermore, there's a lot
of misconception around it.

People just assuming
without any proof,

that there's no such thing.

It's just a piece of dogma.

And science should
not be about dogma.

How many people say
they've witnessed things

that do not fit within
a materialistic paradigm?

And then they're told
you're deluded,

because "your experience
doesn't conform to our dogma."

This is so fundamentally
anti-scientific, it's utterly appalling.

So, once again this troubled me
because I love science

and I respect this tremendous evolution
of science over the last 400 years.

But when people speaking
with the authority of science

say, for example, that all experiences
can only be functions of the brain,

and if you have any experiences
that cannot be explained

within a materialistic paradigm,
you're deluded.

Then this is dehumanizing,
arrogant, pompous, and close-minded.

And those terms should never
come in the same paragraph

of defining and
explaining science.

When the evidence just
gets to be overwhelming,

and the groundswell here
is growing.

I would say before too long,
if you'd still insist

that the mind is nothing more than
emergent property of the brain,

it would be widely recognized,
you are just ignorant.

And the key point about Physics,

is Physics is always evolving, and
knowledge of physics is always expanding.

And phenomena which people
reject as impossible today,

may not be rejected
as impossible tomorrow

because tomorrow, we'll have a
more extensive theory of physics.

Enter this next
wonderful reality,

and the most controversial
of the people,

and it shocked me,

that they found it
anything to object to.

This is a hardcore scientist.

I'm very happy to be here.

My name is Russell Targ,
and I'm a physicist,

and it's my great pleasure to
tell you about the remarkable work

we do at Stanford Research Institute
investigating psychic abilities...

I had a small
Wikipedia biographical page

which described that I was born
in Chicago, went to Columbia,

worked with Hal Puthoff on this
pseudoscience called remote viewing.

So we had a chance for fish
and chips and a cup of tea.

We must be
in England finally.

That's right.

This is the time when I was ill,
and I didn't want my biography to be

that one-dimensional.

So I wrote in that I had been a
pioneer in the development of the laser,

published many many papers
in lasers,

and the Wikipedia masters kept
erasing all my laser papers.

They said to me, "People are not
interested in your laser work.

"We just wanna know about your
work with the pseudoscience."

And I said, "Well, most of my
life has been spent with lasers."

And they wouldn't allow me to do
that. They banned me from Wikipedia.

And finally I got a helper
Brian Josephson

and only through
Josephson's intercession

that I got to bring
my biography up to speed.

Do you think that consciousness
is built into quantum theory?

This, of course,
is extremely heretical.

But fortunately,
I not only got tenure,

but I've retired, so I don't need
to worry about being a heretic.

Anyway, are these
taking your pictures?

You're being interviewed,
are you?

I was, yes.

You were?
- Yeah.

Okay, what's it to do with?

Well, it's for some
research work.

A what?
- Research work.

Research something?
- Yeah.

Okay.

So you're finally able to
tell the complete truth.

Well, actually, people
would probably not contemplate

getting rid of
a Nobel Prize winner.

So I had more or less freedom
in what I could do.

Funding was a different matter.

They actually
told certain people,

"We'll fund you if you work with
anybody other than Josephson."

Doc!
- Will you stop it?

I'm not crazy!

Make them rescue me
before it's too late.

By and large, the critics who've
been interested in our work

to come to our laboratory,

we have asked them
to take parts in experiments

and experience
remote viewing themselves,

which is often
very accurate indeed.

One of the biggest skeptics

was Undersecretary of Defense Walter LaBerge

who kept hearing leaks about
the mad scientists of Menlo Park.

So he decided to pay a visit
in his Air Force helicopter,

landing on the SRI campus lawn
and causing quite the dust-up

to Hal and Russell's
low profile.

Although he
thought it ridiculous,

LaBerge allowed himself
to become a subject.

and despite no prior
psychic experience,

he correctly and in great detail,
imagined where his attache was hiding.

He then became one of the
team's biggest supporters,

along with other senators,
congressmen and generals,

who dropped in on the lab
and got similar results.

It was becoming apparent
that this was a common ability,

but how could they show that
when it was all secret?

Their first clue to how
common intuitive abilities are

came when a remote viewer
didn't show up for work.

So I had a chance to go
to San Jose, Costa Rica,

center of
a mountainous country.

And then each day, a remote viewer back
in California would describe what happened.

On a particular day,
I had a chance to do a trick.

I got an airplane, I flew
out and landed on an island

that belonged to Colombia.

It also turned out
that in that day,

the remote viewer
didn't show up.

So, Russell decided, "Okay,
I'll do the remote viewing."

What can I do?

So Russell is trying
to suppress this data,

but it just keeps coming in.

He says, "Okay,
I guess I'm wrong,

"I have no reason to be
in an airport,

"and not only that, I see ocean
at the end of the runway."

And I know there's ocean that's
miles away in San Jose, Costa Rica.

One fact, that's exactly where I
was 'cause I had taken a little side trip.

Did you actually
take that picture?

Somebody else took the picture,

who, when we had this data,

they went out and took
it from the same angle.

Portraying that even a scientist
could do good remote viewing.

This led to a request
from their CIA handlers

to bring in someone with
absolutely no psychic ability,

to get a baseline
against their best.

That didn't work out so well.

She was statistically the
best results they ever had,

even better than
the infamous Pat Price.

We were asked
to bring in somebody

who was willing to be a
control person for the program,

and I chose to work with
Hella Hammid

who was an old friend
of the family.

She promised me she had never
done ESP experiments before,

and she would be very happy
to be part of our program.

This is a remote viewing experiment
with Russ Targ and Hella Hammid.

Today is Friday,
October 11th, 1974.

It's 20 minutes
to four int he afternoon.

Russ Targ and Hella Hammid are in
the first floor laboratory at SRI.

Hal has left SRI. He will select
a randomly chosen destination.

Hal is looking up

at the structure
that must be

three or four stories high.

A weird zigzag, uh...

going horizontally like a
series a mountains, sort of peaks

on top of each other.
Can be just shapes.

This is just where
Hal Puthoff was standing

at the time of Hella Hammid
very first remote viewing.

Perhaps the most
dangerous secret of all,

the one that Russell Targ has
worked his whole life to release,

is that anybody can be psychic.

And we have a target now that
requires a drawing, or a description.

So, I'd like you to
quiet your mind

and make a little sketch of the surprising
images that show up in your awareness.

You want to get on paper
the shape and the form

pertaining to Paul's location.

You have Paul, and Cynthia
in a bright green dress,

located at some
interesting place.

Do we have any falling
water in the audience?

This is the
waterfall coming down.

The whole page is
the waterfall.

My primary purpose
in coming to this conference

is to actually see what I can do to
become a world-class remote viewer.

I couldn't believe it,

but it's different when...

It's different when you
actually do it.

I have no formal training. It's
really about sending a message across

to people that if you put your
mind and heart to something,

you know, it's...

Everything is possible.
The world is your oyster.

When a whole room of
people are able to do that,

it's not just me,
it's not just my imagination,

it's all of us.

You know,
it's the science part of it.

Everybody really wants
hardcore data.

I think there's still a question
of what it means to be really human,

and what it means to be a, you know, a proper
human being, whatever that might mean,

and what is the essence
of who we are.

And I think that if the world
actually had an access to that answer,

I think it would
change everything.

So it looks pretty good.
I'll meet you at Las Vegas.

Psychic abilities are real,
and you have these abilities.

And now we've got a free
ESP tester on the internet.

By the time we finished we knew
more about our remote viewers

than NASA knew
about its astronauts.

There's nothing
different about them at all.

These are just normal people.

Like musical ability,

you've got virtuosos
at one end of the scale,

you've got tone-deaf people
at the other.

No, it's just in our culture
no one values "ESP functions."

It's just being human is
basically what it's all about.

Could it be that psychic ability
is much more common than we think?

Even internal agents at the CIA
back in 1975 were secretly doing it,

according to original
program manager Ken Kress.

Now it turns out a couple
of people around OTS,

a lady by the name of Francine
and a man by the name of Ed,

they decided they
wanted to be subjects.

Subjects.

And they were CIA employees
now. They were not SRI employees.

Actually got them involved
with a Libyan analyst.

I got gibberish I remember
from Francine, but

you know, Ed was an engineer.

So he comes up like Pat
with very specific stuff.

He says,
"What I see is a Soviet

"radar that is involved with
an air defense system."

You know, he goes on
and on about all this stuff.

So I package all this stuff up,
send it to the Libyan analyst.

He says, "You know,
we have an agent

"that we have not
vetted who says

"similar things."

And I said...

You know,
"That's news to me."

See,
when they were with us,

it was not clear if they had come to
see if there's defects in our model

or were they come
to be trained, or both.

Yeah, well, there may
have been a slight, uh,

subterfuge, shall we say, in the...

I might have sent them
out there as evaluators,

and they may have been
motivated as participants.

By 1981 the program had become
more and more operational.

The government was less and
less interested in research.

I wanted to be free
of all this secrecy.

Which, from a scientific
standpoint was not so good,

but on the other hand, of course, from
a funding standpoint, can't complain.

When I brought that
to our contracting officer,

and he said, "Russ, you know
we're not doing research anymore."

And I said, "Well, will you look at this?
Will you think about what we're doing?"

He said,
"I'm not paid to think.

I'm paid to find out what the CIA wants
you to do, and then see that you do it."

I was heartbroken.

Hal and Ingo were
more secretive than ever.

And now Ingo was in
charge of the Army psychics

and had made the program so
complicated that only he could teach it.

And I got a note from my partner,
Hal, questioning whether I was really

making a contribution
to the program.

What the most interesting
data at SRI pointed to,

was exactly why
Russell wanted to leave.

It was a secret so big he felt that if
the general public could truly get it

it might bring enemies together,
and it might even change the world.

Russell was kind of
the idea man,

with all his kind of pushing
the bad scientist type of thing,

where, actually looked
the part to some degree.

When I decided to
leave this wasn in 1985.

We had dozens of psychics,
and lots of laboratories,

people out there as consultants
and so on.

And I ended up spending all
my time not doing research,

but handing personnel issues,
and funding issues,

and writing grants
and proposals.

I had to get up in the morning
and say, "Well, you know,

actually, I could be
getting back to research."

Mr. Gorbachev,

tear down this wall.

I say
no more secrets.

SRI's intelligence work with psychics
would go on for another decade,

mostly unnoticed, until one of
their greatest covert triumphs

became their most
infamous leak.

Remember
Jimmy Carter's telling

of finding the downed
Russian bomber in the Congo?

In 1995 President Carter
recounted that,

during a talk
to Emory University,

accidentally outing our
top secret program to CNN.

Students submitted questions on numerous
topics, both serious and lighthearted,

and, as always, President
Carter answered them all.

The release of that information
contributed to the end

of the remove viewing
program at SRI.

After Russell and Hal left the
program, it continued under Ed May,

but eventually it confronted
the giggle factor.

So I would ask the intelligence
community to watch what we do

for the next few years and...

The CIA publicly
derided the Army-run program.

And in the end, they were
asked to take it on again.

It's a pretty low priority for the intelligence
community, and it's better done on the outside.

Instead, the commissioned
a third party report to,

"see if it had been valuable
to operational intelligence."

And that's our report
for tonight.

So, what do all these
stories add up to?

Well, the two experts commissioned
by the CIA report disagree.

First there's psychologist Ray
Hyman from the University of Oregon.

My considered judgement, if someone
would push me hard right now,

I'd have to say the odds are 99 to one
that there's nothing to remove viewing.

I think remote viewing has been
demonstrated over the 20 years

of work that's been
sponsored by the government...

Ed May was very upset by at
the way the AIR report was done,

and he was very upset that they did not
look at the operational remote viewing,

and that they did not allow us to
talk to the operational remote viewers.

I think he was quite disappointed
that they narrowed the focus so much

so that really it
might have been

a predetermined conclusion that
they wanted to kill the program.

I think that anybody who says we haven't
proven it yet hasn't really looked at the data.

I think, frankly, people
don't want to look at the data.

They have their world views. They
don't want those world views rocked.

I think anybody who looks at it with
a real open mind would be convinced.

I became 100% certain
that it was

real acquisition of information.

I became 100% certain
that it had potentially real

intelligence significance.

And I became 100% certain
that it never would.

Why?

What I thought were the issues
that would make this a useful tool

were both ignored, denied,

and in addition,
later dropped,

which is screening of subjects
to find the superstars.

You're tested carefully to
find your special talents.

Using the tools that I
thought we had identified

which were politically not
correct then to use,

and which are politically
possible to use today...

There you go. Well, you're
here. Really arrived.

You can loosen up a bit now.

You would have
a latent ability,

that maybe a lot of humans have,

that you'd be able to tease out
of some people with some sort of

training program or something,

and you'd end up
with what ended up.

After we did our report, a few
months later, maybe a year later,

I received a phone call from somebody
who worked high up in the government

and he wanted to know
if this was for real.

And I said, "I sand by
what I wrote in the report."

And he said, "Well, I'm gonna see if I
can get access to the operational work."

He called me back and said, "You got access
to it", and none of the boxes had been opened.

Jessica's the president of the
American Statistical Society,

and she says by the numbers, remote
viewing has a higher efficacy than aspirin.

What was the CIA trying
so hard to hide

that they wouldn't even allow
their best data to be seen?

Any why did the CIA just like
those regular Joe Army guys so much?

We had the total support of
five administrations in a row.

Five straight administrations
supported us, Russell.

Privately.

So it was a very illuminating trip.
You never know who your friends are.

Since I was told by the DCI
the project was over,

that was it,
it was over.

Ken was removed as CIA program
manager shortly before Pat Price's death,

and he assumes that CIA
involvement ended with Price.

Though, I heard that they were discussing
the Stargate program out of channel.

In other words, if you're
talking about a classified program

in an unclassified area,

it looks like a security violation,
you need to investigate this further,

now what?

The gamble was,
ignore it, it would go away.

The suggestion to me was, okay,
let people just wonder about it.

But if you started complaining about it,
it will affirm that we do have a program.

They didn't really want
to go that route.

Russell's first interview with
one of the most spectacular

spies from his SRI days
was a no show.

Later the agent called to
say they were still doing it,

and were afraid
to talk about it.

Beyond the giggle factor
what was the big deal?

What does all of this mean?

Could we be missing
the big picture here?

And... No, that's not right.

I told you before, um...

Two... Two people
that I trust that are...

One of whom is in a position to know,
says that the program's still going on.

Really?

Just how useful is remote
viewing? How far would Russell go

to tell the world what had
become painfully obvious to him?

This is something that Russell
was inspired to consider

after witnessing Ingo predict that
Chinese A-bomb test three days in advance,

and similar work
by Stephan Schwartz,

and it involved precognition,
or seeing the future.

The final straw was when he
received a package in the mail

from the ghost of an old friend

regarding some water towers
that had haunted him for years.

I get the impression
of a water treatment plant.

It looks like, uh,
water storage tanks.

There's a service room
down here.

In Pat Price's
first series of experiments

he got the shape and dimensions of this
swimming pool target within 12 inches,

but he also called it
a water treatment plant,

even drawing
water towers,

which missed the whole
point of the target.

Years after
Pat Price's death

I received a historical
picture book.

It was a gift from the
city manager of Palo Alto.

That when I opened the
picture book to Rinconada Park,

Seventy-five years ago it had
been a water purification plant.

And the two water tanks
that Price had indicated

indeed were right
where he put them

and the would undoubtedly have been
the tallest thing the city of Palo Alto

75 years ago.

With Pat's reminder
of timeless awareness in hand

I hatched a plan to ditch
the spy business

and try and wake up the world.

At nine. Seven bid at nine.

This is the commodities exchange
in New York City, circa 1983.

It was right here Russell
Targ's new company, Delphi,

decided to tell
the world they were psychic.

We'd been predicting silver
prices two to four days in advance.

Our investors made profits
in the middle six figures.

Something I couldn't
do while I was a psychic spy.

Predicting the volatile
market nine times in a row

even landed them on the cover
ofThe Wall Street Journal.

Nine times
out of nine.

Again, being right in anything
in life nine times out of nine

is unheard of.

But some of the more
spectacular and successful trades

were actually
on the short side.

They were making a prediction in
anticipation of the market coming down,

so going against the trend.

But there's still elements
that are not understood,

so it does not always work,

so I wouldn't put my life savings
behind a remote viewing of the future.

Investor demands and the
weight of their own success

led to the second round
not doing as well.

Money dried up
and the skeptics pounced.

Russell would have to go even
further to prove his point about ESP.

A lot farther.

When they first invited me to
come, their letter to me said,

"Please come to the Soviet Union
so we can exchange propaganda."

I didn't have a big concern
about that. I trusted Russell.

He went through the process
of asking permission.

I assumed that. Actually
I'm quite confident of that,

because had he not
done so, he would be in jail.

No, I did not ask any permission
to go to Russia. I just went.

Of course they can't
reveal secret information.

I declared my independence
and left.

They said, "Is there anything you'd
like to see, as long as you're here?"

I said, "Oh, yes. I would like to
have a peek at Brezhnev's office."

I would just like to
see where he sits.

We were once targeted
to describe

Premier Brezhnev's office in
the Kremlin with Hella Hammid.

Who was
the control person initially?

That's right.

And indeed it's just
as she described it.

There's this odd
red leather door

held in place by
upholstery tacks,

a huge desk on the right,
window on the left,

and a door in the wall
behind the desk.

We did not go downstairs
into the computer room.

When we were talking to
the Soviet Academy of Sciences

for example, a physicist got up,

and said, "It seems that if a experienced
viewer can focus his or her attention

anywhere on the planet, then it's
not possible to hide anything anymore.

Isn't that true?"

And the Russians in the audience
were quite shocked with that.

I could hear
the teacups rattling.

The very idea of secrets
is not our true nature.

Openness is.

40 years ago I stood in
this exact place.

I don't think anyone really
expected Russian and American

scientists to work together.

1987 and I start teaching
remote viewing in Russia

And no one in Russia knew
about this on that moment.

Yuriy is on of the Russian
psychologists Russell met on his travels.

And now he's come out of the
cold, and brought some friends.

When I decide to go to United
States of America to take training

from Russell Targ. It was
a first for Russell Targ.

Little did I know when I left SRI
the Russians would become capitalists.

Nowadays the Russians
are invading.

Having watched the end of the
Soviet Union as a cadet at West Point

and then fast forwarding to
today, um, I'm a little bit lost.

Now, Russian people were very
enthusiastic about remote viewing.

Remote viewing
instructor Lori Williams

has brought a group of 20 Russian
doctors and engineers to Los Angeles

to learn remote
viewing for themselves.

So the event she was asking
about had already occurred.

Well, I got a phone call
from a man that, uh,

with a strong Russian accent,

and he was asking me if I would be willing
to teach remote viewing to Russians.

We are not remote viewing yet.

And so when he called and said, "Why
don't we do something in Los Angeles?"

Then it just sort of
grew from there.

We started planning this about a
year ago, this class in Los Angeles.

We're gonna do
a quick review.

Okay, so the students all
received individual targets.

So no one's reviewing someone else's
target. They've all go their own.

And we've actually been working
on these targets for four days.

By viewing something repeatedly, like,
it creates a memory path to the target.

It makes it easier to view.

Something involving
space or the universe?

Space, space.

Humans have been asking
these deep questions

about the nature of their reality, and
these are just using the tools of our society

to ask these deep
questions in a different way.

The ancients did to with what
they had available to them.

The scientific model has to change
continuously to accommodate our knowledge.

And if we're learning more,

then we have to fit that in to our
bigger picture of understanding reality.

So here's
a sketch right there.

You thought it was
the moon?

This is a very kinesthetic day today.
They're gonna be using their hands

creating 3D models
of the target using

Sculpey clay,
modeling clay.

What does
a spider have?

Legs?

Legs, yeah.

He called him Armstrong.

He said,
"That's Neil Armstrong."

Is that it? That's all?
Are you ready for your feedback?

Da.

Okay. Hold on
to your seats folks,

'cause this was the
Apollo 11 trip to the moon.

Apollo
moon landing.

Apollo 11 trip to
the moon with Neil Armstrong.

Now that's truly what we
refer to a "holy shit" moment.

Well, fundamentally we're talking
about interpreting what we see.

And I think all of us,
for centuries,

and certainly all
the astronauts

that have been off the
planet and looked back at earth,

We kinda call it
the big picture effect,

seeing things in
a new perspective.

Seeing Earth in the perspective
of being in the heavens.

And that we're just a small part
of this huge universe that we're in.

I had completed my major
task for going to the moon,

and was on my way home,

and was observing the
passing of the heavens.

The magnificence
of all of this

put this trigger
in my visioning.

In the ancient Sanskrit
it's calledsamadhi.

It means you see things with
your senses the way they are,

but you experience them
viscerally and internally as a unity

and a oneness
accompanied by access.

We are stardust.

And we're all one
in that sense.

In other words,
instead of just serving self,

what it tends to help you do is to
realize you're a part of a larger reality,

and to serve that larger reality
in a proper way.

That's beautiful.

So I'm not
so sure it was

all about collecting
intelligence and how well we did.

The evolution of consciousness
itself is

expanding.

Consciousness itself
can evolve,

and I believe that's probably
towards what I call empathy.

The main idea
from all of our research

is that there is no separation,

especially no separation
in consciousness.

More than machinery,
we need our humanity.

If the world
were to accept this research,

we would have to recognize that
we are not isolated within our brains.

We would have to
recognize that we live

in the earth, not on the earth,

we live embedded
in the biosphere of earth,

and that all consciousness
is interconnected,

and interrelated.

And that's why we can
transmit the power of love,

the power of healing.

Maybe it's very subliminal,

but it definitely exists.

We came across this
and said,

"You know, there's a lot of
people who'll think you're nuts."

But, you know,
maybe you're not.

We should all be open to our
imagination, because once and a while

some of the imaginations
will come true.

So I think it's time to
close up and move on.

So Hella returned to Los Angeles to resume
her life as a professional photographer.

She died of cancer in 1992.

But not before she uncovered the
lost temple of Alexandria, Egypt,

with Stephan Schwartz
and the Egyptian Government.

They placed the first stake
within 12 inches

of where it had been
buried for thousands of years,

and put the skeptics to rest,
at least for that day.

She was given no information
beyond the general hilltop location.

Things are going to change
because science is changing.

Ingo took the closing of the Army
program hard and went into seclusion.

We reconnected in later years and
had a chance to talk about old times.

I'm going to talk about
the future,

because I think we're far
too much trapped in the past.

And Sam got
very talented cellists

who had not remote viewed.

They went into an expanded
state and got impressions.

They then took it up
to the composers.

I was hearing like...

Two not opposing but
interrelated forces.

Triplet up and down.

What was the feedback? Well they
didn't know what was in the envelope.

It's very, very close,
very descriptive of bugs,

So a point... Playing it, listening
to it kinda makes you itch.

Kit Green says he
still consults for the CIA.

You know, Green,
think, think, think, think.

And I have, I've thought
about it for many years.

I'll give you the answer.

The most precious secrets
are hidden in plain sight.

That's a stupid expression, but you know
what, it happens sometimes to be true.

He told me he collaborates
regularly with Hal.

But on what
neither one of them will say.

Yeah, yeah.
I've got it going through me,

if you can see.

Hal, put off, resigned from
the SRI remove viewing program

at the height of its success.

But he did go back to remote
viewing at least one more time.

Hal repeated my silver forecasting
experiment for his child's high school.

He raised $25.000
on the stock market

for a class field trip
to Washington.

Then he went back to
seeking to extract energy

from the vacuum
in his Austin laboratory.

Well, we got our hands
in every pie.

It turns out Kit and Hal
really were collaborating.

Kit brought Hal into a top secret
Pentagon UFO assessment program

revealed in December 2017
byThe New York Times.

Oh, and Hal says they've
recovered UFO debris.

But that's another story.

Pat Price's grave in North
Hollywood remains unmarked.

And his death
remains a mystery.

And as for Russell Targ,
he continues to tell his story,

showing people just like you and me
around the world that we're all psychic.

At the end of the film the say, "No animals
were harmed in the making of this film."

So I'd like to ask
you is it fair to say

that no physics were harmed
in the making of this film?

Physics isn't,
but physicists might be.