Revealing Ukraine (2019) - full transcript

- Mr. Medvedchuk.
- Yes, hello.

- Nice to meet you, I'm Oliver Stone.

Nice to meet you.

- Oksana.
- Hello.

- Welcome to my hotel.
- Thank you.

- Please, join me at my table.

- Yes, please.

- Nice place.

I can sit because I wanna
talk on Ukraine now.

- Well, your English is very good.

And this interest in Ukraine,



why are you interested in Ukraine at all?

Where is Ukraine and where is America,

Russia, big countries, big politics?

And suddenly, Ukraine?

- Because I care about war and peace

and I'm a citizen of the world.

I was in Vietnam War.

I don't wanna see my country
go down this militaristic path.

I knew nothing about Ukraine
until I interviewed Mr. Putin

and I learned a lot about Ukraine

and I worked on Ukraine on Fire.

And, action!

- Good morning, Mr. Viktor Medvedchuk.

I'm honored to be here to talk to you.



So, just to introduce yourself

to people who don't
know anything about you,

can you just tell us a little bit

about where you come from, who you are?

You were born in the 1950s, right?

Viktor Medvedchuk
was born August 7th, 1954,

in Pochyot, Siberia, where
his family was exiled.

In 1978, Medvedchuk graduated
from Kiev University

with a degree in law.

He soon rose to great
heights in his profession.

During the Soviet era,

Medvedchuk was never a member
of the Communist Party.

Since 1990, he has been the head

of the Lawyer's Union of Ukraine.

During that period, he began to transition

into the political arena.

He was elected a member of
the Ukrainian Parliament,

the Verkhovna Rada,

where he served from
March 1998 to April 2002.

The Ukrainian economy
showed its biggest growth

during this time, reaching
an impressive 12% per year.

But after a new president came to power,

the economy drastically stagnated,

becoming a sixth of what it once was.

Medvedchuk also had great
success in the business world

with his law firm, BMI,
soccer team Dynamo Kyiv,

and trading in the energy sector.

He returned to his political
and public in 1998,

eventually rising to the position

of the first vice-chairman
of the parliament.

He was the head of Ukrainian President

Leonid Kuchma's administration
from 2002 to 2005.

He was in the opposition

to both Presidents
Yushchenko and Yanukovych,

who succeeded Kuchma.

Medvedchuk is considered
to be a close friend

of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Putin is the godfather of
Viktor's daughter, Daryna.

- Yeah.

- Oh, well...

I thought it was a big honor

for you to be the
godfather of his daughter.

- Ukraine split from the
Soviet Union in 1991.

In Moscow, the Hammer and Sickle

is lowered for the last time
and an era comes to an end.

Can you describe the moment?

Myself, like many of my peers

and the older-generation people,

we didn't know what the
standard of living would be

in Ukraine as an independent state now.

Gorbachev was
on Ukrainian television

still arguing for a
Moscow-based central government

linking the parts of the old Soviet Union.

Otherwise, he predicts anarchy.

Although most people

supported that path of independence,

we thought the path of
self-sufficiency and sovereignty

would lead to greater success

than it was in the Soviet Union.

On December 1st, 1991,

at the Republican Referendum,

the population of Ukraine,
by a majority vote,

expressed support for
secession from the USSR.

On December 5th, the Bialowieza
Agreements were signed

and the Soviet Union stopped existing.

In Ukraine, it seemed that
after gaining independence,

the republic could, in a short time,

become a prosperous European country.

There were all reasons for this:

a huge scientific and
industrial potential,

qualified specialists,
developed agriculture,

and the absence of inter-ethnic
conflict in Ukraine.

The determination to be
self-sufficient in practice

has led to a reduction in
relations with Russian partners

that were worked out over the decades.

25 years after gaining independence,

all illusions were dispelled.

After the 2014 coup in Ukraine,

there is no developed economy,

no peace.

Control over parts of the
territories has been lost.

I'm a supporter
of a sovereignty of Ukraine

and I believe that the
path that was chosen

in 1991 was the right one.

The governance of the country was

and remains being incorrect though.

The problem is that people
did not really benefit

from sovereignty and independence.

This really is a problem.

- And I gather that because
of your husband's positions,

you were blacklisted, so to speak.

Being a wife
of an opposition politician

is very hard, especially
in the last five years,

when the "democrats" came to power

"that preached democratic values."

And they
are ready with a hot iron

to finish those who they don't like,

who is undesirable and says
something that they don't like.

- What about your show?

What happened to your show?

Your colleagues?

People who worked with you?

I've produced 13 seasons

of the most successful shows in Ukraine:

X-Factor, Ukraine's Got Talent.

But after the American sanctions

were imposed against Viktor, I was fired.

And, of course, it was
a political punishment

for me as a wife.

And it is terrible that
a family, the wife,

in a democratic country,

are punished, in fact, for her husband.

- We are imposing sanctions
on specific individuals

responsible for undermining
the sovereignty,

territorial integrity,
and government of Ukraine.

- You're also on the sanctions list,

the United States sanctions list.

I was one of the first

put under US sanctions, one
of the first in March 2014.

The official
White House documents

indicated that I was subject to sanctions

by the United States because,

first, that I defended the principles

of building a federal
state structure in Ukraine.

This is strange for a
country that is a federation

and against the Ukraine being federation.

Interestingly,
the views of Medvedchuk

on the need to give more freedom
to the regions of Ukraine

are shared by the vice
president of the USA, Biden.

Anyway, on December 8th, 2015,

speaking in the Verkhovna Rada in Kiev...

- Thank you very much.

He practically repeated

the ideas of the opposition
leader of Ukraine.

- This issue of federalism

is the thing that almost
prevented our nation

from coming into being.

This is all
because of disagreement

with my position, which I
state publicly and openly,

and which neither the government

nor the national radicals like.

At first, I was very afraid.

It was terrible when you were
absorbed by this feeling.

I asked Viktor, "Let's leave."

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians left;

talented, promising.

But Viktor said, "Where would we go?

"This is my country.

"This is my homeland.

"This is my home.

"I can be disliked by someone.

"Someone can hate me.

"I will have a different
opinion, but this is my country.

"I love it; why should I leave?

"We stay."

In 2018, Ukraine was already in

a state of deep economic
recession and political crisis.

The Crimea was lost.

In the east,

a bloody war continued in
the Donbas for four years.

Two stable
concepts have been formed

in Ukrainian society.

According to the first,
Ukraine should set a course

on complete political, economic,

and cultural isolation from Russia.

At the same time, within the country,

it is necessary to eradicate

any manifestations of anything Russian,

including historic monument, religion,

communication, and language.

According to the second concept,

Ukraine cannot and should not
break relations with Russia,

and the Russian-speaking population

should have equal rights to preserve

their customs, religion, and culture.

Viktor Medvedchuk became an expression

of this second concept.

Since 2018, he has been one of the leaders

of the For Life, Opposition Bloc,

the party who represents the interests

of the Russian-speaking
population of Ukraine.

Opposition Platform-For Life
is a political party in Ukraine

founded in December 2018 with
the aim to contest together

the 2019 Ukrainian presidential election

and then the 2019 Ukrainian
parliamentary election.

Government and our opponents

call it pro-Russia, but it is incorrect.

It is incorrect because people who live

and who want to be friends with Russia

who are against the policy
that the authorities profess

in the form of radical Russophobia
and anti-Russian hysteria

and want normal relations
with our neighbors,

people who stand for the
values that unfortunately,

in recent years, have disappeared.

- Your solution, although it
probably is impossible to get,

would be to split Ukraine
into west and east.

A defacto
division has always existed.

When we talk about the
west and east in the '90s,

we precede it from the fact

that there is a split in Ukraine.

It threatens to break up the country.

Unfortunately, the process
of disintegration has begun.

The question is, why?

The fact is Ukraine,
with its current borders,

is a territorial association.

If we analyze the history
of the last 10 centuries,

then the territory of Ukraine

was the territory of various
regional associations.

Since the 10th, 11th
century, it was Kivean Rus.

Then the Golden Horde.

Then the Great Lithuanian Principality,

which occupied most of
today's territory of Ukraine.

Then the Crimean Khanate.

The Kingdom of Hungary.

Kingdom of Poland.

The Ottoman Empire.

The Austro-Hungarian Empire.

The Russian Empire.

And all these territorial associations

created their own culture
here, implanted their faith,

and recognized certain historical facts.

When you underline the
fact, which I oppose,

underline the fact that this would be

more of a Lithuanian principality,

the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
and it was the Russian Empire,

therefore, there is a different faith,

a different history,
and different languages.

The mistake of the current government,

it tries to build a single identity

out of this whole country

where they speak different languages,

where they practice different religions,

where they have different
assessments of historical facts,

builds this identity on an identity

close only to the part of
the people, the population.

That part.

This is a mistake that leads to nowhere.

This is the biggest strategic mistake

made by the authorities in Kiev today,

because this identity will
never establish itself

throughout Ukraine.

On April 25th, 2019,

the Verkhovna Rada of
Ukraine adopted a law

according to which the only
language that can be used

in all spheres of life in Ukraine
is the Ukrainian language.

This law immediately
provoked sharp criticism,

both inside and outside the country.

Ukraine is a political state

where the second language
in importance and spread

is the Russian language.

By its decision, the Verkhovna
Rada announced a defacto ban

for almost half of the country's citizens

to use their native language.

Experts suggest that further, the law,

contrary to the European
Charter of Languages,

will be another factor
in the split of society

and in the future of the country.

Yes, we will now learn English.

- Yeah, well, I understand that too,

but they're trying to
make it more European.

You can't go against your nature.

There are so many Ukrainians

who are different traditional
values, different values.

You don't have to force
America down their throats.

But you're getting the worst of America.

You're getting the America
as a debtor nation.

You're losing your economy.

You're going the worst of capitalism

and you're gonna go past the 1990s Russia.

It's gonna be...

America is doing the same thing

that they did to Russia in the 1990s.

I know you've said Russia and Ukraine

are two different countries

that are united by
history and by tradition.

Both, countries and people.

- And you've made the point
that you're two nations.

Explain what you're thinking.

These are two distinct nations.

Preceding from today, and for
the last 200 to 300 years,

there is the Russian nation,
there is the Ukrainian nation.

But these are close nations.

These are Slavic Orthodox peoples.

This is the basis of
civilization characteristics,

community of Russia and Ukraine.

If, in general, we compare
Ukraine and Russia,

this is one thing.

If we compare with the
western part of Ukraine,

then this a completely different thing.

Imposing this position here,

the influence on the
position of the whole country

is a mistake.

We must understand that no
matter how life develops further,

I believe in it and firmly believe

that we will still be neighbors.

And most importantly, it should be so.

- Yeah, I understand.

Mr. Putin may not agree completely.

He feels that Ukraine

is really a part of Russia historically.

Very close; I mean, very close.

- One people, two nations.

- You think it's one nation?

Indeed, Mr. Putin said

that they were not two nations, but one.

I had long discussions
with him about this.

I think that he is inclined
to my point of view.

When I raise arguments,
these are really two nations.

He never said that this is one country.

It used to be one country
and was called the USSR,

but this country does not exist.

Today, there is an independent
Russian federation,

an independent Ukraine,

and other former republics
of the Soviet Union.

Jubilation on the streets

of the Ukrainian capital as
protestors took control of Kiev

and President Viktor
Yanukovych was impeached.

On the 20th of February, 2014,

on the main street of the
Kiev, horrible things happened.

And this was a point-of-no-return
to Ukraine as we know it.

From the very early morning,

unidentified shooters opened
fire on the protestors

and on law enforcement.

Tensions were very high and
both sides were furious.

President Viktor Yanukovych,
special forces of Berkut,

and Special Security Services forces

were immediately blamed for the killings.

Angry crowds of protestors
began to attack the police.

- Who shot the protestors?

Do you have an idea?

The first official

government investigation started.

Investigators accused
special forces of Berkut,

Viktor Yanukovych,

President Putin's
assistant Vladislov Surkov,

and Russian Spetnaz.

All the accusations
were lacking one thing:

evidence.

Someone who has been
gathering this evidence

is professor Ivan Katchanovski

from the University of Ottawa in Canada.

Professor Katchanovski kept investigating

the events of the Maidan massacre

during the last five years.

In his extensive scientific research

based on a cross-examination
of the video and audio files

throughout the timeline of the shooting,

he got much further in his investigation

than all of the official teams together.

This was quite unprecedented

to have so many television
cameras, basically,

so many journalists
following and witnessing

such a mass killing.

On mostly all television
networks in the United States,

in Canada, Ukraine, Germany, Poland,

all different countries,
with exception of Russia,

it was presented basically as evidence

that this was massacre by police.

Here, police fire on protestors

with AK-47s and sniper rifles.

During the five
years of official investigation

of the Maidan massacre,

very important facts
were completely ignored.

Snipers were located in buildings

under the control of protestors.

During the investigation,
Professor Katchanovski

discovered even more horrifying facts.

And only recently, actually,

I found a footage which was filmed by

this Belgian television
from Hotel Ukraine.

This video shows they were walking to

the spot of the massacre.

They were not walking just on their own.

They were led by two other protestors

who were very loudly
calling them to the site.

No reason to go there,

and they were specifically
called into this massacre spot.

Victims were escorted to

the places it was planned for
them to be killed and filmed.

In Professor Katchanovski's investigation

that was based on scientifically
organized analysis

of all available video
and audio recordings,

he reached a conclusion.

The Maidan massacre was key

in a plan of an ongoing coup d'etat

and killings were planned in advance.

There were two interviews

published in the recent book

by a Ukrainian pro-Maidan journalist.

And in this book, they produced interviews

of two far-right leaders of Ukraine.

One was head of Svoboda Party

and another was the deputy head
of the parliament of Ukraine

at the time of Maidan massacre,

who was also one of the leaders

of this far-right Svoboda Party.

And they and Maidan leaders

met with some senior Western officials.

And this Western official
told them basically

that killings of a few protestors

is not enough for a Western
government to change support.

They said specifically

end of recognition of
Yanukovych government

basically would change

only if number of victims would be 100.

The Western government policy

changed immediately after Maidan massacre.

Not an accident,

because you have exactly
100 people who were killed.

Over these four years,

a lot of versions have been made public.

A lot of television footage was filmed

about the fact that they
were Georgian snipers

or that someone else did this

in order to provoke
confrontation and bloodshed.

The fact that has not yet been established

who started shooting at the protestors.

And if this has not yet been accomplished

in four-and-a-half years,

then as a person who
understands a thing or two

about law and criminal investigations,

I can tell you that it
will remain unresolved.

- Research has revealed there
were snipers at the Maidan.

The forensics with the
angle of the shooting,

bodies of the police and the protestors,

it was very badly investigated;
not at all, really.

But what evidence we have

seems to point to there
being Georgian snipers.

- I remember you were telling
me about the Obama phone call.

- President Obama and Russian
President Vladimir Putin

still disagree on all the
basic facts in Ukraine,

but the two leaders are
talking about a potential,

and I must capitalize that word,

potential resolution to this crisis.

- Obama and you had an agreement

that there would be no firing.

And he gave you a promise that he would...

But murderers
get away with murder

after a successful coup d'etat.

These events
that occurred on Maidan

that started in the end of November

and ended on February 21-22, 2014,

they were mostly predetermined

as elements of external management

which were then actually implemented

by Washington in Ukraine.

First, nongovernmental
funds, organizations,

and government officials
represented by Mrs. Nuland,

then by Vice President
Biden, and by many others

openly supported the
escalation of violence,

which resulted in the overthrow of power.

The most interesting thing
is that the armed actions,

they really took place,

and there were signs of
a crime in these actions.

These were serious crimes.

But when that happened,

by the time they ended in February 21-22,

the government had
already granted amnesty.

So, a law was passed that
there would not be prosecution

of people who participated
in the protests.

And according to this law, all
participants were exonerated,

including those who committed crimes.

Moreover, in Article 9 of this law,

it is forbidden to collect personal data,

meaning those who later came to power.

So, they established the ground in advance

so those who performed any
criminal activity at that time

couldn't be prosecuted.

We understand that the seizure of power

happened by force of
arms, but no one ever took

nor will ever take the
responsibility for that.

Legislative solution was
adopted in this regard.

I gave you
the example of Article 9,

of the law on amnesty of February
21st, 2014, for a reason,

where it is forbidden
to collect personal data

and to record any actions

that were related to those who protested,

so to those people who could
participate or organize

what you call today using weapons.

- Nationalist groups, they
burned your villa down.

Basically, no.

It was in February 2014,

just in the heat of the events on Maidan.

- Yeah, but who burned it down?

These were
national radicals, yes.

The fact is that over the years,

the investigation pretended
that the case was investigated,

but they couldn't
identify the perpetrators.

- So, no justice?

There is
no justice in this matter

and in general,

and probably there is
no point in expecting it

because this is not the only event

that affected me or my family.

Because in 2014 and 2015,

there were attempts to occupy my office.

And several
times, my office was set on fire.

This is all because of
disagreement with my position,

which I state publicly and openly,

and which neither the government

nor the national radicals like.

By the way, the last attempt
of setting my office on fire

was several months ago,

in September 2018.

And the problem is that since 2014,

the government has lost its
very important function.

As an expert in state-building issues,

I can say this function
is the use of violence.

- So, why do so many
Ukrainians hate Russia so much?

This is related to the processes

that have occurred during
these last four years

in order to bring this division,

a split in relations
between Russia and Ukraine.

This is the policy of today's government,

which has been elevated to
the level of state policy.

Resentment against Russia

has been growing for a long time.

Ukraine claimed a leading position

in the entire post-Soviet era.

One of the largest countries in Europe

could not have been on the sidelines,

but it was losing the competition

for the leadership to
Russia, and it was difficult

for the awakened national
consciousness to accept it.

In addition, it quickly became clear

that it was very convenient
for Ukrainian politicians

to blame all the mistakes in the economy

on the nonconstructive position of Russia.

Until a certain time,
disputes and rivalries

did not go beyond the relationship

of two brothers living
in the neighborhood.

However, with coming of
nationalist President Yushchenko

to power in 2005, the situation escalated.

The anti-Russian policy of
the Ukrainian leadership

has become more pronounced

and the propaganda pressure on
the population has increased.

However, this did not prevent
millions of Ukrainians

from moving to work in a
richer and more stable Russia.

Since December 2013,

anti-Russian propaganda
has become hysterical.

During the days of
confrontation on the Maidan,

fake news was constantly spread.

For example, the Russian special forces

are allegedly already in Kiev

and are preparing to use
force against the protestors.

The death of people on the Maidan

was also readily associated

with the presence of
Russian special forces.

When the situation
is constantly escalating

that Russia is to blame for everything,

then it is perceived by the
majority of the population

as a fact that Russia is an aggressor.

But today, the majority of
the population of Ukraine

considers Russia to be the aggressor.

After losing Crimea,

Russia is openly called
an aggressor in Ukraine.

Tearing away the whole region

was painfully perceived
by Ukrainian society,

part of which grew

and was formed in
conditions of independence.

The war in Donbas was also associated

with Russian interference.

Pro-government media kept telling

that there were whole
Russian divisions in Donbas

and it was them who bombarded
the urban neighborhoods

of Donetsk and Luhansk.

The population of Ukraine
willingly believed it.

It is much easier to think
of Russia as an aggressor

than to accept the fact
that the Ukrainian army

is bombing and shelling Ukrainian cities,

that the killed women and children

are the victims of the Ukrainian army

and the Ukrainian Nazi
military formations.

It was easier to blame Putin directly.

- Mr. Putin, you can win the
fight against the troops,

but you will never win the
fight against the nation,

united Ukrainian nation.

- So, Mr. Putin, who's the
godfather of your daughter,

is the bad guy here, is
the face of the enemy.

It seems to me, from
having talked to Mr. Putin,

that he's been trying to keep a balance,

trying to keep a lid on this violence.

There is a great danger.

I'm sure that Mr. Putin has pressure

from his own nationalists

who are unhappy with the situation,

so he's trying to keep the peace.

He's not just balancing.

Putin's attitude to Ukraine
is extremely positive.

- Mr. Medvedchuk would be a good liaison.

In a move
that has angered Russia

and fueled massive uncertainty

over the future of the war in Ukraine,

President Donald Trump
has approved the sale

of lethal munitions to
the Ukrainian government.

- Ukraine can be used
to push against Russia

'cause it sits right nextdoor to Russia

and because there's a history of animosity

between half of what was
Ukraine and with Russia.

They're able to really push on

some real background animosity there

that a lot of Americans
just don't understand.

It goes back generations.

And the press's job in all of this

hasn't been to report on it;
it's been to cover it up.

And anybody who actually
looks at the facts

of the Ukraine coup in 2013 and 2014

can see how the US was directly involved.

Thank you, thank you!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

- But it wasn't just an end in itself.

It was a means to an end.

And the end that they were going for

is a way to antagonize Russia.

We'll give Russia

no chance to invade Ukraine.

That's why we are doing
everything possible

to provide extra financing
for the armed forces.

- And then, when Russia
responds in any way,

then they can say, "Well,
see, they're the aggressors,"

and they've done this over and over again.

They've stirred up
aggression against Russia

right at Russia's border

and then blamed Russia for
anything that happened.

- This is a act of aggression by Russia,

that these were Ukrainian
vessels traveling peacefully,

seeking to go through the Kerch
Straits to a Ukrainian port.

On November 25th, 2018,

the first armed incident
between Ukraine and Russia

took place in the Kerch Strait.

A conflict
that could've escalated

into major hostilities.

Ukrainian warships attempted
to enter the Sea of Azov,

violating the state maritime border,

according to the Russian version.

The Ukrainian side claims that its ships

were in neutral waters.

During the conflict,

Russian border guards acted
aggressively and used weapons.

The ships of Ukraine were detained

and the crews were arrested.

- I haven't seen you
since the Kerch Strait.

Any comments on that?

Even though Viktor Medvedchuk

was in tough opposition
to the administration

of President Poroshenko, he went to Moscow

to negotiate with Prime Minister Medvedev

on the release of Ukrainian sailors.

It wasn't the first time Medvedchuk

engaged in the fate of
Ukrainian prisoners.

Practically, he fixes the passivity

and inactivity of the
Ukrainian official authorities

by addressing humanitarian concerns.

- How often do you go
down there to Donbas?

You know, I
used to travel very often;

have been to Donetsk and Luhansk.

I had direct negotiations

on the liberation of our citizens there,

as well as in Moscow.

So, I have been engaged in negotiations,

exchanges since December 2014.

- The Donetsk People's Republic government

say that moving forward

there can be no communication with Kiev

other than prisoner swaps
that might be in the pipeline.

Only Russia could act as a mediator.

- I feel sorry for Ukraine

because I don't quite
understand all the forces

that brought this division,

this polarization of the country.

From the American point of view,

it's simply a button,
a leverage point to use

to excite the Russians
and go after the Russians.

So, I would be very worried
if I was anybody in the world,

a citizen, that the United States

is gonna use this Ukraine
thing at any moment

to push towards a hot war.

- The whole world is watching you.

That's a fact.

They're watching you,

because their hope's for your success.

- Do you think that was a plan
of the Wall Street people,

of the Western people,

where they wanted to make
Ukraine a dumping ground?

You know,

I don't even have to speculate
about, I'm sure of it.

At the time of the collapse

of the Soviet Union,

many experts reasonably included Ukraine

in a top 10 of the most
developed countries in the world.

Starting positions of
the independent Ukraine

One-third
of the whole USSR industry,

the largest Black Sea
shipping company in the world,

rocket, aviation, and space industry.

As a result, after
reckless economic reforms,

after breakdown of economic
relations with Russia

and other post-Soviet countries,
Ukraine had a failure.

Since independence, its
economy has shrunk by a third,

ahead of the poorest countries in Europe.

After 2014, Ukraine took a sharp turn

towards de-communization.

Memories of the Soviet
time fade one by one.

But together with the monuments,

Ukraine is parting with
its industrial grandeur.

- Okay, what happens?

So, Wall Street people make money on this?

Does Ukraine become a junk bond?

Do they trade the future
of Ukraine on stock market?

Ukraine as
part of the Soviet Union

was the largest republic in
the production of locomotives

and diesel locomotives.

De-industrialization in
Ukraine led to the fact

that we now purchase
these diesel locomotives

from the United States of America.

Who benefits, Mr. Stone?

This is beneficial to those who today

are lobbying illegal methods

affecting economic integration,
the sale of their products.

Five years after
the Revolution of Dignity,

suddenly it became clear to everyone

the West is not going to open
its sales markets to Ukraine.

Nobody needed to have
unexpected competitors.

It was much more profitable

to force the Ukrainians to
eliminate their potential.

Ukraine used to be one
of the few countries

that could produce aircraft carriers.

Now, there is no ship-building in Ukraine.

Ukraine used to create space rockets.

Now it has no space industry.

No aircraft industry.

Ukraine doesn't have its
own automotive industry.

The military-industrial complex

once brought up to $3 billion
annually to the budget.

Today, most of the enterprises are closed.

Some of the enterprises
are located in territory

not controlled by Kiev.

Naturally, to say that today

we are trying to export these products,

these amounts are insignificant,

which, of course, cannot come
close to what it was before.

Because the less we produce,
the more we will purchase,

that this is one of the elements
of this external expansion,

an external management that
Washington has introduced

in relation to Ukraine since 2014.

- Kiev looks fantastic.

Another amazing
experiment over common sense

was the coal scam.

Ukraine, which has rich
coal deposits in the Donbas,

has suddenly turned from an exporter

into an importer of coal.

It seems that in Kiev and Washington,

they agreed to give a
new meaning to the saying

to carry coal to Newcastle.

After the start of the
conflict in the Donbas,

Kiev definitely refused
to buy Donetsk coal

and decided to replace
it with imported coal

from the USA and South Africa.

It was possible to buy it in Russia,

but the politics took over.

The second example,

Pennsylvanian coal is much more
expensive than Russian coal

and it is more expensive
than coal from South Africa.

And can you imagine the difference

in transportation logistics:

Ukraine and Russia,

Ukraine and the United States of America,

and Ukraine and South Africa?

At the same time,

today we buy 63% of coal
imports from Russia.

And we already buy 30%
of all imported coal

from the United States of America.

Is this not the result
of what you ask about?

Is it not the result of who benefits?

Who does it?

Those who benefit from the sale

of their products in Ukraine

in order to avoid domestic production

so that the country from the manufacturer

turned into the country of
the acquirer and the buyer.

That's what the benefit is.

- Is there any oil, gas;
there's nothing here?

You know, we
have oil and gas everywhere,

but we do not produce it.

It needs to be developed.

Therefore, Ukraine is rich in resources,

but resources require investments

that must be made in
the economy of Ukraine

in order to extract these minerals.

But the situation with the investment

and investment climate in
the country is extremely bad.

The economy is not developing.

The investment climate
has not been created.

There is pressure from the
administrative resource,

raider seizure of business,

the lack of a fair judicial system.

So, who would invest?

However, there were brave people

who decided to invest in Ukrainian oil.

The attention of world media

is attracted by one
company: Burisma Holdings.

There are very, very interesting people

on the board of directors of Burisma;

for example, Hunter Biden is the son

of the vice president
of the United States.

Of course, this state
of affairs is welcome,

but one detail interferes.

The son of the US vice president

received his post almost immediately

after the official visit
of his father to Ukraine

in the light of obvious
interest of Biden, Sr.,

in everything that is
happening in Ukraine.

- Ex-Vice President Joe Biden,

his son, Hunter Biden, has a
deal in Ukraine; explain that.

Yes, his son was

and remains on the board of directors

of one of the companies that is engaged

in oil and gas production in
Ukraine, so this also explains

the economic interests
of the Biden family;

not only the son,

but probably his
high-ranking father as well.

Perhaps this was precisely

what allowed Mr. Biden

when he was as curator
when he was in power,

curator from the side of
Washington in Ukraine.

He actually behaved like
a person representing

not only the country that
introduced external management,

but it was a representative
or leader of the metropolis

in relation to the colony,

where the colony was,
unfortunately, my country.

And his speech in the parliament,
I remember it very well.

- Thank you very much.

It was not just instructive.

It was a speech in which he said

what to do and how to do it.

And when stating his position,

he didn't base it on
argument or explanation,

but on the fact that this decision

was made somewhere overseas.

- The Office of the General Prosecutor

desperately needs reform.

The judiciary should be overhauled.

The energy sector needs to be competitive,

ruled by market principles,
not sweetheart deals.

"And you,"
the so-called legislature

before whom he speaks, "should
implement this policy."

- Ukraine needs a budget

that's consistent with
your IMF commitments.

Anything else will jeopardize
Ukraine's hard-won progress

and drive down the support for Ukraine

from the international community,
which is always tenuous.

On March 22nd, 2019,

Ukrainian politicians from the opposition,

Viktor Medvedchuk and
Yuriy Boyko, met in Moscow

with Prime Minister Medvedev.

It was about the conclusion
of a new gas contract

between Russia and Ukraine,

as well as the transit of
gas through its territory.

Interestingly, on behalf of Ukraine,

negotiations were not
conducted by officials,

but it could not have been otherwise.

Until 2014, Ukraine was
almost completely dependent

on Russia supplies.

However, due to disputes
over the price of gas

as well as for political reasons,

Ukraine does without gas supplies

from the Russian Federation;

in fact, as Ukrainian
politicians themselves

have already recognized,
in the reverse mode.

Through the special schemes,

the same gas is purchased from
Gazprom supplies to the EU,

but through European intermediaries;

for example, through Poland.

As a result, over four years,

the price of gas for the
population increased by 1,079%.

That is the price citizens
of Ukraine have to pay

for fictitious gas independence.

And then, a bilateral economic war began.

The thing is that Ukraine

joined the EU sanctions against Russia,

and Russia imposed
counter-sanctions against Ukraine.

And this dealt another crushing blow

to the economic abilities of
selling Ukraine's products

to the markets of Russia
and the CIS countries.

Fortunately, has not found a
replacement for these markets.

- And 30% of the budget
goes to pay the debt.

These are financial burdens

that even a normal
economy cannot withstand,

let alone a state that is in deep crisis.

I want to tell you

that along with de-industrialization,

we are still in a process
that the authorities

and our media do not notice.

This is another process.

It is called de-intellectualization.

Why?

This is due to the harmful
negative educational system

introduced in Ukraine.

This is due to the lack of scientific

and technical development today

because science and the
introduction of new technologies

is not actually financed in the country.

And naturally, the brain
drain goes along the line

of finding use for these brains.

De-industrialization led to the closure

of tens of thousands of large-
and medium-sized enterprises.

And after that, people
were looking for work.

And today, they are
looking for it in Russia,

in Poland, in Europe.

They left because they
couldn't financially support

their families in Ukraine.

- I set up the foundation
in Ukraine in 1990,

which is two years before
the independence of Ukraine.

- Where does George
Soros figure in all this?

Unfortunately, everywhere.

If we talked about some positive results

from the activities of this gentleman,

then we should've noted some success.

But his activity is mainly
focused on those countries

where he took an active
position with his various funds.

We remember the countries in North Africa

where the Arab Spring happened:

Libya, Tunisia, and Egypt.

We remember the Tulip
Revolution in Kyrgyzstan.

We remember the Rose
Revolution in Georgia.

We remember the Orange Revolution in 2004.

And finally,

the consequences of not
only the Orange Revolution

but also the Revolution of
Dignity of 2013 and 2014.

This is also his activity.

He did not stop.

He continued to operate in 2015 and 2016.

- The Russians were successful.

They accomplished what they set out to do.

They had an objective to
sow discord and divisiveness

within our society at large

and to help Donald Trump,
and they succeeded.

- The biggest mistake people make

when talking about the
Trump-Russia collusion

sort of MSNBC/Russiagate narrative...

- The Kremlin offered dirt
to the Trump campaign.

The president's campaign
said yes to that offer.

That's no longer an open question.

All that stuff has now been proven.

- They think that it
started Election Night 2016.

In fact, it's part of a much
longer series of events.

When Barack Obama was elected...

- I, Barack Hussein
Obama, do solemnly swear...

- Hillary Clinton comes
in as Secretary of State.

- I just wanted to have a chance
to publicly say thank you.

I think Hillary will go down

as one of the finest
secretary of states we've had.

- And at that point, she sets
up a private email system.

I think now it's pretty clear
that part of what was going on

is they were setting up the underpinnings

that would set up the Maidan.

She introduced a program
called Civil Society 2.0.

- And what we've done

with Secretary Clinton's
Civil Society 2.0 program

is we've taken one of
America's undeniable strengths,

the strength of our technology
and of our innovators,

and we've put 'em to work

in service of our diplomatic goals.

- This is a way for the US government

to work directly with NGOs
like International Renaissance,

funded by George Soros,

and, while working with those NGOs,

funnel money to them, but also training,

and the kind of training
that would be used

when the Maidan would start.

- I am the Ukrainian, the native of Kiev.

And now, I am on Maidan.

I want to you know why thousands of people

all over my country are on the streets.

- The direct involvement of this

we don't know anything about

because Hillary Clinton's
emails were all hidden from us.

That Civil Society 2.0 program

shows that the understand
that cybertechnology,

that smartphones and
all of that technology,

the tactics of activism were changing.

The scandal
that has become well-known

throughout the world,

which for some reason is
called Russia's intervention

in the US presidential election,

erupted in Ukraine.

- They're calling it the
digital equivalent of 9/11.

- A new report from the
US intelligence community

says that Putin and the
Russian government conspired

to help President-elect Donald
Trump's election chances.

- This is an electronic Watergate.

- Russia did not help me.

- The FBI, as part of our
counterintelligence mission,

is investigating the
Russian government's efforts

to interfere in the 2016
presidential election.

- Obviously, Russia's
been accused and accused

over and over again of
interference in the 2016 election.

- But now in the US,
there's been investigation

about Ukraine's interference
in the election.

It was a very confusing situation.

Poroshenko seems to have been

very strongly pro-Clinton, anti-Trump.

- Do you think there was interference?

For some reason,

we are talking about the
interference of Russia,

associated primarily with
the former campaign chairman

of the then-presidential
candidate Donald Trump,

Mr. Paul Manafort.

- Lock him up!
- Lock him up!

In this scandal,
which erupted in Ukraine,

he played an organizational
and ideological function.

- Let's talk about this new reporting

from the New York Times this
morning about Paul Manafort

and his dealings in the Ukraine.

In order
to organize this scandal

to discredit the presidential
candidate and his campaign,

which he actually managed,

Mr. Manafort was removed from
power of the head of staff.

Last August,
a jury convicted Manafort

of eight felonies, including
tax and bank fraud.

One month later, he pleaded guilty

to two more counts of conspiracy

and agreed to cooperate with
the Russian investigation

in exchange for a lighter sentence.

- Paul Manafort, he was consulting

with the Party of Regions.

The Party of Regions

is a political party of
Ukraine created in late-1997

that then grew to be the
biggest party of Ukraine

between 2006 and 2014.

- So, Andrew Kramer publishes
a story in the New York Times

about Paul Manafort's name being
found in this black ledger.

Serhiy Leshchenko
is a Ukrainian journalist

turned lawmaker who staked his career

on fighting corruption.

- This use to be office of Paul Manafort.

This, he says,

is where a potentially crucial
bit of evidence was found:

a suspicious invoice that
appears to be personally signed

by Paul Manafort.

- So, the person who put
the accusation forward

about Manafort was Serhiy Leshchenko.

- Today, I present the documents
signed by Paul Manafort.

Leshchenko, he has the image,

I call it primitively inaccurate,
the fighter of corruption.

- The problem of corruption,
this is a problem

of the whole period of
Ukrainian independence.

But he fights against corruption

following orders.

There is an order to fight with
a corrupt person; he fights.

If not, he does not.

He has lost a lot of slander
lawsuits directed against him,

because often some of the
information that he has presented,

considering his authority as a journalist,

is not simply implausible,
it is deceitful.

It was he who, as a member of parliament,

as a former journalist,

was instructed to make
these records public

from this ledger of the Party of Regions.

The interesting fact of the matter

is that when the story
of the so-called ledger

of the Party of Regions came to light

and when he first reported about it,

there was no mention of Paul Manafort.

He spoke about other people.

That is, there was a test
run for the main strike.

All this was done with one goal:

to strike at the presidential
candidate Donald Trump.

Why am I sure about this?

I have good arguments for this,

because in this ledger,
there were the names

of hundreds of people
for these four years.

There were huge amounts,
tens of millions of dollars,

many tens of millions of dollars.

There were specific people

where not only their names were indicated,

but also a personal signature

that they received the money informally.

No criminal cases have been investigated

on these records yet.

No one has been prosecuted.

Hence, the conclusion
is that this was done

for a concentrated, focused
strike against the main target.

This main target, which
was dictated from overseas,

was called presidential
candidate Donald Trump.

- Serhiy Leshchenko and
his anti-corruption team

have every reason to wanna
see Donald Trump defeated

this election because of
his support for Russia,

which is currently at war with Ukraine.

- And this is the point in the story

where the music changes
and gets ominous and dark.

And it succeeded.

Manafort was removed as
the campaign chairman.

Such things can't happen
in the autonomous mode.

They can take place

only if the authority
gave the green light.

Therefore, these actions
cannot be regarded

as nothing other than an interference,

especially as interference
as a term is very popular.

- Russian...
- Russians...

- Russia...
- Russia...

- Russian...

- Russian election interference.

- Russian witch hunt!

They just talk about it

mostly when it comes to
Russia's interference

with the US presidential elections.

But in this case, even the court found

that these actions were illegal,

which influenced the electoral process.

I am sure that Mr. Soros
is behind this too,

because this is a team of Democrats.

Nuland, Soros, Biden,

in favor of the interests
of Hillary Clinton,

did everything to prevent Mr. Trump

from being elected in the 2016 elections.

- People use the word dossier

and it has such an official sound to it.

I mean, let's just call it for what it is:

rank hearsay put together by an FBI source

who was later defrocked,

paid for by the Democrat
National Committee, and,

oh by the way, Christopher
Steele hated Donald Trump too.

- Throughout the summer of 2016,

Victoria Nuland was being
updated by Christopher Steele.

In early-2018, Victoria Nuland admitted

that she's been being briefed
by Christopher Steele.

She talked openly about it
on CBS's Face the Nation.

- During the Ukraine
crisis in 2014 and '15,

Chris Steele had a number
of commercial clients

who were asking him for reports

on what was going on in Russia,

what was going on in Ukraine.

- Why is that?

Okay, my conjecture here,
they were concerned.

They wanted to get ahead of the reporting

and explain why they were
talking to Christopher Steele.

- Chris had a friend
at the State Department

and he offered us that reporting free

so that we could also benefit from it.

- Victoria Nuland said,

"I immediately urged
him to go to the FBI."

- In the middle of July,

when he was doing this other
work and became concerned...

The dossier?

- The dossier, he passed two to four pages

of short points of what he was finding.

And our immediate reaction to that was,

"This is not in our purview.

"This needs to go to the FBI."

- And you'll find a spate of people

who urged Christopher
Steele to go to the FBI.

John McCain urged him to go to the FBI.

Everybody urged him to go to the FBI.

And why is that?

I think they're setting up a cover story.

They wanna say, "We told
him to go to the FBI."

I think, in fact, what they were doing

was setting up the information operation.

- I used to work in the Ukrainian Embassy

here in Washington in 2015, 2016.

And one day, I was approached

by the DC Ukrainian
Embassy, Oksana Shulyar,

asking me to meet a person
she knows really well,

and I met with a DNC
operative, Alexandra Chalupa.

- Alexandra Chalupa, who, as a lawyer,

she had worked in the Bill
Clinton Administration

as an intern, she'd been a DNC
operative for about 12 years,

and she's the Ukrainian-American

whose mother was deeply
involved in politics.

In 2015, Alexandra Chalupa and her sister

start campaigning very
hard against Paul Manafort.

- This is who Paul Manafort is.

He is a puppet master

of some of the most vile
dictators around the world.

- Manafort was from Connecticut.

They went to Connecticut
and protested against him.

It's not clear to me exactly
why he was being targeted,

but Alexandra Chalupa has said

she was pulled out of
retirement to work on this.

She was asking
any more information on dirt,

that's how she put it, to
get Trump off the campaign

in September/October of 2016,
right before the elections.

- Most of the key evidence
that shows the collusion

between the Ukrainian government

and the DNC, operatives for the DNC,

came in an article that was
actually published in Politico

before the inauguration.

Ken Vogel and David Stern
wrote an article in Politico

that talked about how
the Ukrainian government

had tried to collude and interfere

on behalf of Hillary
Clinton in the 2016 election

and, furthermore, how Petro
Poroshenko was very worried

that the Trump Administration
would figure out

they'd been working against him.

And anybody who's watched
Donald Trump for a few minutes

knows he's fairly vengeful

to people he feel has wronged him.

- John McCain received a
fake and phony dossier.

Did you hear about the dossier?

It was paid for by crooked
Hillary Clinton, right?

And John McCain got it, he
got it, and what did he do?

He didn't call me.

He turned it over to the FBI,
hoping to put me in jeopardy,

and that's not the nicest thing to do.

- So, Petro Poroshenko was
concerned that that would happen.

Two reasons:

one, because of the arms deals

and the economic deals and the
loans, but also personally.

Petro Poroshenko, since he'd been elected,

had become a very unpopular president.

At one point, I think his approval rating

dipped down under 10%,
a shockingly low number.

In fact, polls showed that Ukraine

has the least confidence
in their government

of any country on the face of the Earth.

So, after Poroshenko was put into power

by the United States,

things have been disastrous for Ukraine.

So, Poroshenko was also worried

that if he could not
withstand a reelection bid

that he was gonna have Donald
Trump in the West mad at him.

And you can see his fears evolving.

The first thing they
tried to do was make sure

they patched up things
diplomatically for Ukraine.

But then later, he started
to throw people under the bus

just to protect himself.

Because it was a failure

of Ukraine's foreign policy.

The interesting thing is
that the court acknowledged

the fact of interference

by such actions in the
US electoral process.

I heard the accusations of Russia

interfering in the US electoral process,

which is not confirmed by real evidence.

There is a court decision.

Moreover, this court decision
established the illegitimacy,

but it has also been established

that the actions of these individuals

as citizens of Ukraine
caused significant harm

to the foreign policy of Ukraine.

- So, in the spring of 2016,

Alexandra Chalupa goes
to the Ukrainian Embassy

in Georgetown and she's
introduced to Andrii Telizhenko.

And he's introduced to Alexandra Chalupa

by the ambassador, Chaly,

and Alexandra Chalupa
tells Andrii Telizhenko

that she's trying to dig up
dirt on Donald Trump and Russia

and trying to dig up dirt
on Paul Manafort and Russia.

- She actually did want
to use this information,

not for some intelligence
purpose or legal purpose.

She did wanna use it to
interfere in an election.

- From what I saw, yes.

- Alexandra Chalupa admits this

in that article for Politico.

She doesn't deny that at all.

She also tells Telizhenko
that she doesn't want him

to coordinate or help the
Trump campaign in any way.

Now, Telizhenko, he's a loyal Ukrainian

who'd been part of the Maidan.

He doesn't like this.

He thinks it's illegal
and he thinks it's stupid.

And he thinks it's stupid

because if you bet on the wrong horse,

this could come back to haunt you.

He turned out to be exactly right.

He went to the ambassador, Chaly,

and said, "This is illegal."

"I don't wanna be any part of this."

Chaly yells at him.

He gets in trouble.

He leaves the embassy about a month later,

goes back to Ukraine.

Cut to Trump gets elected...

- I've just received a call
from Secretary Clinton.

- Now, Ken Vogel and
David Stern of Politico,

they've caught wind that
the Ukrainian government

had colluded with the DNC

to intervene on behalf of Hillary Clinton

and they start to do a
very well-researched story.

The talk to Andrii Telizhenko.

They get denials from Chaly.

But the story's reported once

and then it's completely forgotten,

and you'd think it would be significant.

There was one key piece of
evidence in the Politico story.

It's the most important piece of evidence

in this whole thing

is the email that Wikileaks would publish,

and this is an email
from Alexandra Chalupa,

the DNC operative, to Luis Miranda,

who is the comms director of the DNC.

Let me explain why Luis
Miranda's important.

Very significant.

The Hillary Clinton campaign

had actually taken over
the DNC back in 2015.

So, when you see Alexandra Chalupa

reporting directly to Luis Miranda,

that means she is reporting
through one layer of separation

to the Clinton campaign
itself, not just to the DNC.

In that email, Alexandra Chalupa brags

that she has arranged to
speak about Paul Manafort

and that she's gonna have this
Ukrainian journalist go back

and dig up dirt on him.

Now, that completely violates
what you're supposed to do

with the Open World Leadership Center.

The Open World Leadership Foundation

is a part of the Library of Congress.

Because they're part of
the Library of Congress,

they're not supposed to be
involved in election issues.

And it was confirmed to me by the people

at the Open World Leadership Center

that they had in fact
warned Alexandra Chalupa,

"Don't do that."

The other thing that's significant there

is that Chalupa reveals

that she was with
reporter Michael Isikoff.

Now, Michael Isikoff is
legendary in Washington, DC.

He's well-known as a bulldog
investigative journalist

who worked on the Monica
Lewinsky story, for instance,

and he is hanging around
with Alexandra Chalupa

throughout the entire 2016 election.

In fact, right before the election,

when everybody thought
Hillary Clinton was gonna win,

he publishes an article where
he names Alexandra Chalupa

as one of the most important
people in the 2016 election.

To me, the most interesting thing

about that group of journalists

was those journalists were
chosen by the embassy in Kiev.

In other words, those
journalists were picked by

and sent by the US State Department.

And that's part of the evidence

that the State Department was
involved at the deepest level

in this election collusion
and interference.

In December of 2018, both
Leshchenko and the head of NABU

were convicted in a Kiev court
of election interference.

- The unindicted co-conspirator there

was Petro Poroshenko himself.

Poroshenko was so worried

that the Trump Administration
would pin stuff on him,

he started to throw Leshchenko
and NABU under the bus.

It was a form of misdirection.

He didn't want the Trump Administration

to realize his direct involvement.

- Will your relationship
with the US change

now that President Donald Trump
will be in the White House

come five days from now?

- Look, Ukraine, during
the last three years

gained very strong bilateral
support in United States.

- Trump gave a photo
opportunity to Poroshenko.

- It's a great honor to
have you, Mr. President.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Trump did not like Poroshenko.

Why/why not?

I think, first of all,

because Poroshenko had his own position

during the US election campaign.

He supported Hillary Clinton
and he did it openly.

Why openly?

Because the ambassador of
Ukraine to the USA, Mr. Chaly,

openly supported the
representatives of the Democrats.

He acts as the guy

who's got the economic experience,
the governing experience.

You need Biden for an attaboy

and to get the deets to
stick, so Biden's willing.

Okay, great.

Mr. Yatsenyuk,

whom we recalled spoke frankly.

And in these words of Trump's assessments,

there were insults.

He stated that
the USA as a powerful country

deserves to have an intelligent,

intellectually developed president.

In other words, he doubted these qualities

as inherent to Mr. Trump.

Mr. Avakov, a representative
of the same Yatsenyuk party,

the minister of the interior,

stated that Trump is
a marginal politician.

This altogether
meant the one-sided position

of Ukraine in the US elections,

which is exactly what should not be done

by any country in the world.

When what happened happened,

Mr. Donald Trump won the election.

It was a shock for the Kiev authorities

and for those individuals that I listed.

They were confident that this victory

would never take place.

I think that
if what you are saying is true

that Trump thinks badly of Mr. Poroshenko,

then there were real reasons for this.

- So, Mr. President, may God
bless you and your colleagues

and the people of Ukraine,

and may God bless the
United States of America

in being able to continue
to help you in your efforts.

Thank you, Mr. President.

Thank you, Mr. Biden.

- I came about this by accident,

investigating Ukrainian
collusion with Democrats

to affect the election.

And over the next three to four months,

you're gonna find out all about that.

So, I've decided I'm not
gonna go to the Ukraine.

You're not gonna go?

- I'm not gonna go because
I think I'm walking into

a group of people that are
enemies of the president,

in some cases, enemies
of the United States,

and in one case, an
already-convicted person

who has been found to be involved

in assisting the Democrats
with the 2016 election.

I'll give you his name.

Gentleman by the name of Leschenko.

After two
years of ignoring this news,

ignoring the fact of
Ukraine's interference

in the elections in the United States,

Ukrainegate began to attract the attention

of political heavyweights.

- I will step back and
I'll just watch it unfold.

In 1997, a man who did a lot

to determine US foreign policy,
Zbigniew Brzezinski, said,

"Ukraine is a new and important spot

"on the Eurasian chessboard.

"It is a geopolitical center
because its very existence

"as an independent state
helps to transform Russia."

In the book, The Grand Chessboard,

he wrote a lot about Ukraine,
but always in the same way.

Ukraine is a means of pressure on Russia;

no more and no less.

The border
between Ukraine and Russia

is 2,300 kilometers.

Any destabilization in Ukraine

affects the interests of Russia.

And the external influence
of Washington in Ukraine

makes it possible to manage the
processes of destabilization

that directly affects Russia.

If you look
at what happened to Ukraine

in the 21st century, there
is a feeling of deja vu.

It's as if we are part
of that well-known legend

about the pied piper

who led the charmed
children to go nowhere.

Millions of people were deluded

by the sweet promises of rapid prosperity

with the help of the United
States and Western Europe.

Very little time passed

after the so-called Revolution of Dignity,

and all expectations have collapsed.

Instead of prosperity, there
is the collapse of the economy,

mass exodus of people from the country,

and the death of now thousands of people.

And the most important thing,

Ukraine is in confrontation with Russia.

The function that its real
owners left for Ukraine

works flawlessly.

- Anybody who actually looks at the facts

of the Ukraine coup in 2013 and 2014

can see how the US was directly involved,

but it wasn't just an end in itself.

It was a means to an end,

and the end that they were going for

is a way to antagonize Russia.

They've stirred up
aggression against Russia

right at Russia's border

and then blamed Russia for
anything that happened.

But it's always interesting.

Do puppeteers understand

that sometimes puppets begin
to live their own lives?

The fact of Ukraine's interference

in the elections in the United States

is the first wake-up call.

And then, war between Ukraine and Russia.

Yesterday, it was unthinkable.

Today, it is a probable scenario.

It doesn't matter who starts first.

It is important to note that the shockwave

from the first explosion
has spread too wide

and affects those who prefer
to wait out on the side.

Does the pied piper who
leads those who believe him

further and further to nowhere understand

that Russia will never accept

a hostile state near its borders?

- Sounds like you've had
a tough few years, sir.

A hard time.

The following
years will be difficult

and I would say that especially 2019

will not be easy for Ukraine.

Are you afraid of something?

- Yes.

The world blowing up.

One day, that
gunshot could be heard.

For example, Ukrainian military boats

could again try to break the borders

that Russia considers its own

and thereby provoke response fire

from the Russian border guards.

It's the Russian military

going head-to-head against
the Ukrainian military.

There will be victims.

Russian President Vladimir Putin

blamed the Ukrainian
government for the crisis.

And then the war begins,

in which Russia will naturally
be declared the aggressor.

- Fighting has intensified.

Russia set off
an international crisis.

- In Ukraine, Russia's now at war there.

Ukrainian tanks
will move to the Donbas

in order to destroy

the unrecognized republics with one blow.

- Will President Trump finally confront

Putin's act of aggression against Ukraine?

And in order to save citizens,

Russian troops will come
forward to meet them.

The Hungarian army will
defend the Hungarian citizens

living in the west of Ukraine.

The mayor has
declared a humanitarian crisis

and has appealed to the
United Nations for help.

Poland will announce

the mobilization of reservists.

There will be a real
chance to return the lands

that were torn off by
the Soviet Union in 1939.

The UN Security Council

will hold an emergency
session on the Ukraine crisis.

And what the whole world feared

during the Cold War will happen.

Moscow's, Brussels', and
Washington's bad dream

will come true.

- We wanna return now to some
breaking news this morning.

We're just learning about the movement

of the aircraft carrier USS
Nimitz and four other ships.

No one wants a full-scale war.

For those who are still
in control in Kiev,

the only way to avoid
defeat and destruction

is to organize a provocation.

The armies of Russia and NATO

will come into military conflict.

This will be the beginning
of a withering Armageddon.

Only scorched earth will
remain in place of Ukraine.

The world will be
engulfed in a giant flame.

Probably the last war for humanity,

just because someone in Kiev

really wants to remain in power.

So, nothing good will happen.

- Well, does he see this historically as,

does he see these two countries
coming together again?

Ukraine will
have two election campaigns

that predetermine the
country's place in the world

and, most importantly, power in Ukraine.

That is, new opportunities
are opening up for Ukraine.

The new president of Ukraine,

Volodymyr Zelensky,

won because he promised to
stop the war in the Donbas.

One order of the commander-in-chief

is enough for the war to be ended.

And thousands of human
lives could be saved.

No one can prevent him
from giving such an order,

but the days go by and
there is still no peace.

The hopes of Ukrainians for the new course

are fading with each passing day.

The opportunity to improve this situation

is to elect politicians to
the parliament of Ukraine

who are able to fulfill their promises

to the people of Ukraine.

We have a
parliamentary presidential

form of government, and
therefore, having won

the parliamentary
elections, holding a faction

that can influence all
processes in the country.

- Yeah, well obviously you do.

We use the
life principle with Oksana.

"Do what should be done

"and everything will be
as it is supposed to be."

I think this is the right way of life,

the right life principle,

and we have to implement it.