O.J.: Made in America (2016) - full transcript

It is the defining cultural tale of modern America - a saga of race, celebrity, media, violence, and the criminal justice system. And two decades after its unforgettable climax, it continues to fascinate, polarize, and even, yes, develop new chapters. Now, the producers of ESPN's award-winning "30 for 30" have made it the subject of their first documentary-event and most ambitious project yet. From Peabody and Emmy-award winning director Ezra Edelman, it's "O.J.: Made in America," a 10-hour multi-part production coming summer of 2016. To most observers, it's a story that began the night Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman were brutally murdered outside her Brentwood apartment. But as "O.J." lays bare, to truly grasp the significance of what happened not just that night, but the epic chronicle to follow, one has to travel back to a much different, much earlier origin point, at not the end, but the beginning of the 20th century, when African-Americans began migrating to California en masse, in desperate, collective hope of a better life, trying desperately - and fruitlessly - to outrun the racism that had defined their lives. And among the thousands who came west from the south were the grandparents of Orenthal James Simpson. The tale is familiar from there. In the mid-1960's, Simpson rose to instant fame as an unstoppable running back for the USC Trojans, and later, not just a record-setting Hall of Famer in the NFL, but a crossover, charismatic superstar with a singular foothold in the celebrity landscape. In retirement, O.J. remained as popular as any active athlete - a broadcaster, pitch-man, and actor. But he stood alone for another reason as well. Living in the shadows of everything from the Civil Rights Movement to the Rodney King riots and so much in between, in a country forever divided by racial lines and a city with a horrific legacy of institutionalized police racism, O.J. Simpson managed always to find a way to transcend the color of his skin. That is, until everything changed on that June night of 1994. "O.J." revisits - and redefines - it all. The domestic abuse. The police investigation. The white Bronco chase. The trial of the century. The motive, the blood, the glove. The verdict. The aftermath. Drawing upon more than seventy interviews- from longtime friends and colleagues of Simpson to the recognizable protagonists of the murder investigation to observers and commentators with distinct connections to the story - the docu-event is an engrossing, compelling, and unforgettable look at a tantalizing saga. Because at the end of what seems like a search for the real truth about O.J. Simpson, what's revealed just as powerfully is a collection of indelible, unshakeable, and haunting truths about America, and about ourselves.

(crowd murmuring)

All right, let's
see what O.J. Can do.

He's got it up and he
holds it good enough

to get a call from the referee.

O.J. Simpson stands up

and that one is
hit hard to left.

High enough, wind helps,
it's gone.

Watch this.

Tell me how many right-handers
you've ever seen do this,

pick off the five ten.


Juice is moving 'em out.

He's gotta good run going.

Ready forthe hurdle, this
is gonna be a good time

for O.J. Simpson.

(melancholy trumpet music)

Ladies and gentleman,
thank you for your patience.

I have just a fewfinal
instructions that I need to give

to you before you start your
deliberations on this matter.

You are reminded that you
must not be influenced

by mere sentiment, sympathy,

passion, prejudice,

public opinion,
or public feeling.

Both the prosecution and
the defendant have a right

to expect that you will
conscientiously consider and weigh

all the evidence,

apply the law as I
have instructed you

and reach a just verdict
regardless of the consequences.

There's a rough rule of thumb

forjury deliberations.

One day of deliberation
for each week of trial.

So, we all settle in
and we think, okay.

We're gonna be here awhile.

All the lawyers on the case
were going to do something

that first day that
thejury was out,

because everyone knew
we had at least one day.

It was Johnnie's birthday.

He and his wife had
taken a one-day excursion

up to the wine country,

and I called Johnnie
from the courtroom.

I said,
"Jay, Jay, we got a verdict."

He said, "what?!"

"We got a verdict, man."

We reached the verdict.

We were happy about that.

After more than eight
months of testimony,

more than 100 witnesses
and more than 45,000 pages

of court transcripts,

who'd been advised not
to talk about the case

since it began,
came to their decision

overthe course of
a morning's work.

We had to go home.

That's all I got to say.

We'd been gone a year.

We had to come home.

Being held up for nine months,

I wouldn't want that.

But why don't we talk
about a couple of things

that may be on our mind?

They did not deliberate.

I truly was offended.

267 days.

That's how long
the trial lasted.

1,105 pieces of evidence.

45,000 pages of trial
transcript from 133 witnesses.

How the hell did you deliberate
for three and a half hours?

How many days was it again?

267 days.

266 nights.

266 nights I went back
to that room, alone.

Wasn't able to talk
to otherjurors.

Wasn't able to talk to family.

Nobody but me and my thoughts.

I waited til the end to
come up with a decision,

but each night that I went home

after listening to testimony,

I stored that.

By the end of that trial,
I knew where I was.

And it was clear.

O.J. Was extremely emotional.

Puts his hand on the
glass like you see on TV,

and he said, "Look guys,

"if it is guilty, I never
wanna see you guys again.

"Don't come see me in prison,

"because your lives
are gonna be changing,

"and what am I gonna say?

"My life is the same as
what it was yesterday.

"Same as it's gonna be tomorrow.

"Nothing will ever change.

"So, I don't wanna see
you guys again, ever."

We got there around
3:30 in the morning.

By 6 o'clock it was
just very crowded.

People everywhere.

Policemen everywhere.

We were underneath the
criminal courts building,

in case there was trouble.

They brought in
police on horseback,

as if they were
preparing for a riot.

Why don't you get the fuck out
of here, you fucking asshole?

I had reporters coming
to my front door,

and I had really had it.

Can I fucking hit him?


I think part of me knew which
way that verdict was going.

For a trial that
seemed to go on forever,

the fact that it will end
has produced a national surge

of adrenaline.

Did you have a
rather sleepless night

last night, Mr. Garcetti?

Sleepless night?
I had my usual four hours' sleep.

(various news broadcasts
in foreign languages)

I have to fully admit,
I thought he was guilty.

I thought it was
obvious he was guilty.

So I thought the
jury agreed with me.

And the record should reflect

that we have now been
rejoined by all the members

of ourjury panel
and our alternates.

All right, Mrs. Robertson, would you,
do you have the envelope

with the sealed verdict, please?

Yes, Your Honor.

All right, would you give
those to Deputy Trower?

The Judge had admonished
us not to say a word,

not to make a sound,

not to move, not to do anything

but sit there and
listen to the verdict.

All right, Mr. Simpson,
would you please stand

and face the jury?

In the matter of The People

of the State of California
vs Orenthal James Simpson,

case number BA097211.

We, thejury, in the
above entitled action find

the defendant Orenthal James
Simpson not guilty of the crime

of murder in violation of
penal code section 187a,

a felony upon Nicole
Brown Simpson,

as charged in account...

It was almost like an
out of body experience.

I had a feeling of numbness.

Did this really happen?

They really did it,
they acquitted him.

They really did it,
they walked him out the door.

Johnnie is in back of
O.J. And Johnnie's saying,

"Juice, you're going home,"

and he's putting his
head against his back.

"You're going home,
Juice, you're going home!"

It was fabulous.

I actually thought I
might pass out from shock.

I was so astonished.

Orenthal James Simpson,

not guilty of the
crime of murder

upon Ronald Lyle Goldman.

One of the young guys,

either one of the Goldman
families orthe Brown family,

he said, "Murderer, murderer."

I was focused on Kim Goldman.

Convicted of at least
one crime of murder

of the first degree and one
or more crimes of murder

of the first or second
degree to be not true.

It hurt me to know that
I had to hurt somebody else

like that, and I didn't want to.

My mom and dad, just stoic.

I'm the more emotional one.

There was this deputy there,

and I was like, "Can I leave?"

And she goes, "You can't leave."

The other piece of this
was that kind of, you know, moment

of triumphant Simpson.

I remember thinking
that that gesture,

that's a competitor.

He had been through
a big ordeal.

He fought hard and he'd won.

One of thejurors, I believe
it was juror number six,

a male black,
stood in the jury box

and raised his fist like this.


This was a guy who presented
as the most mild mannered,

and then we find out,
yeah, he was a member

of the Black
Panthers, years ago.

Later, I was talking
with the Deputy Sheriff.

He had taken jurors to
where they were released.

So glad to be back, I feel free.

He said, "All across
this parking lot,

"there was high fives
and cheers and smiles."

He said, "I heard
it over and over.

"That was payback
for Rodney King."

We the jury find
the defendant not guilty

of the crime of assault
with a deadly weapon.

Do you think that
there were members

of the jury that
voted to acquit O.J.

Because of Rodney King?


- You do?
- Yes.

How many of you
think felt that way?

Oh, probably 90% of them.


Did you feel that way?


That was payback?

- Uh-huh.
- You think that's right?

The majority of the world
or the majority of Americans

think that we're a group of
idiots who didn't get it right.

I think that the jury was
made to be the scapegoat

for their faults.

It was a mistake to present
Fuhrman the way they did.

It was a mistake to
let Darden get up there

and be a part of that case.

Had they come correct,

had they had the right
attorneys up there

putting on the case that
they need to put on,

they would've won.

It wasn't payback.

They messed up.

It may have been payback,

but it wasn't payback for
anything that happened recently.

It was payback for what's happened
overthe last 400 years.

It was payback for how black
people are treated in America.

I believe that that
was on the minds of

every black person
in America.

In the matter of The
People of the State

of California vs.
Orenthal James Simpson,

case number BA097211.

We, the jury, in the
above entitled action,

find the defendant Orenthal
James Simpson not guilty.


There was joy.

You could hear it in the
barbershop or the beauty salon

or in the classroom
at the school,

on the streets.

A release of breath, exhaling.

The Juice is loose!

He's loose!
He's loose!

Free at last, free at last,
thank God almighty,

I'm free at last.

It was like that
day Jackie Robinson

opened the door
for black players.

This trial tapped into the
racial history of Los Angeles.

I didn't realize
how much it tapped

into the national pain
of race relations.

...finds Orenthal James
Simpson not guilty...

(screaming and cheering)

It was all so much
biggerthan we were,

so much bigger.

I think the black
jubilation was very offensive

and very hurtful.

Who laughing now,
ya know who did it?

My family did it,
the races of America.

Those films of African-
Americans cheering

and whites crying,

it put a huge red
line across society.

Certainly, the resentment
that African-Americans

have toward whites

was shocking.

It was absolutely shocking.

Now you know how it feels.

We are flush with illustrations

where we have been the victims

of what you consider
to be racial thinking.

And that's why
your moment ofjoy

may only be a moment.

That's why you seize
your moment ofjoy,

because tomorrow, sorrow.

To actually have a black
man found not guilty,

when every other black
man who's ever been

blamed for anything like that

or anything near something
like that, has been killed.

This is indicative of progress,

regardless of what
you think about him.

It was like wow,
things have changed,


I just really hoped that,

probably in a terribly
pollyannish way,

I really hoped we had
come some distance.

My white neighbors, people
I'd grown up with all my life,

the person I talked
to every single day,

just stopped speaking to
me because of this trial.

I received hate mail.

They would send the
hate mail to the court.

The court would
forward it to me.

I got a lot of personal blame,

a lot of personal threats.

In essence, you know,
"You deserve to die."

What sort of personal toll

did this take on the
prosecutors who tried the case?

I shake my head because
I haven't been able

to weigh it entirely,

but the toll is immense.

If there was anything
that ever motivated me

throughout the trial, it
was the idea, the notion,

that one day I'd have
to turn to the Goldmans...

with the realization that
he had been acquitted.

I am honored to have...

Chris was in bad shape.

He was really devastated.

A verdict of guilty would
have been redeeming for him

in the black community.

You could feel this sense
of brokenness within him,

because he gave
everything that he had.

My guess is that if Chris were
given the opportunity again

to say yes or no on this case,

he wouldn't have taken it.

He's paid one huge price.

This has been a
hard-fought battle,

but I want to make it
as clear as I can

that this trial is over.

No one in our community
believes in murder,

and our hearts have gone out

to these two families
from the very beginning.

A statement from our father.

I'm relieved that this part
of the incredible nightmare

that occured on June
12th, 1994 is over.

I will pursue, as my
primary goal in life,

the killer or killers
who slaughtered Nicole

and Mr. Goldman.

Whatever it takes, I'll provide.

They are out there somewhere.

The children.

You did tell them?

Yes, we told them.

Told them Daddy's free.

Did they say anything to you?

They were happy.

They love Daddy.

We have never said anything
negative about Daddy.

People were on fire,
excited about finally,

the criminal justice
system worked in favor

of an African-American man.

But everything
is not about race.

Everything is not about
how we were treated

historically in this country.

I didn't see it as an example

of African-Americans being free

or we beating the
criminal justice system.

Not for African-Americans.

It was a victory for a
rich guy named O.J. Simpson,

and I was troubled by it.

Now, go back in, go back in.

Did he give you any indication

when he would want the children,

or what would happen?

I think he is
reasonable enough to know

that the children
have a good life here.

That they find strength
and love in this house.

They switched over.

I don't think that
he knows, really,

what he wants, right now.

There they are, right there.
Bryce, go in tight.

I can tell you right now he
ain't coming out any time soon.

Okay, we're gonna get up,
we're gonna pull up high.

Get out of all this bullshit.

(triumphant music)


You're home!

What has the
atmosphere been like

at Mr. Simpson's house today?

Who is with him?
What are they all doing?

It's, as you can imagine,
a very, very touching time.

A very cheerful time for a
man who's spent 15 months

in prison and was
found innocent.

(TV blaring in background)

I wanna hear this
like a hole in the head.

Don't even listen to it.

How do you turn this up?

Yeah, this is the one case,
you got the wrong guy

like all those other cases
you let who did it get away.

He invited the lawyers
to come by for a drink,

and I was the first one there.

And he was up in the bedroom.

He said, "I wonder
where Bob Shapiro is?"

I said, "Look up above you.

"He's on television.

"With Barbara Walters."

Mr. Shapiro, you said
in the beginning that race

would not be a determining
part of this case,

that you would not
play the race card.

The race card was surely played.

Barbara, my position
was always the same.

That race would not and should
not be a part of this case.

I was wrong.

Not only did we
play the race card,

we dealt it from the
bottom of the deck.

The hypocrisy of his
suggestion that the decision

to use race was a bad one,

when it was the card that
he stacked the deck with.

From the very beginning,
it was his theory.

Would you work again on a
case with Johnnie Cochran?


Would you work a case
again with F. Lee Bailey?

I will not talk to
F. Lee Bailey again.

Thank you, Mr. Shapiro.

Everybody say hogwash, c'mon.


Come on, talk to each
other a little bit,

come on, talk to each other.

Not so fast.

Wow, where'd we go that night?

Probably home and cried.

Probably home and cried.

And probably said 100 times,

how did he get away with it?

You don't ever get over it.

You don't ever get over it.

It doesn't go away that he
can't live his dreams.

It's all still there,

close to the surface.

It's always still there.

We actually believed that
if he's found not guilty,

we all go back to our
lives and just move on.

He thought he'd walk
right back into it.

His view point, I'm back
and I'm gonna be playing

golf everyday and
I'm gonna be O.J.

And everything's fine.

I think he felt he could
con the rest of the world

into believing that.

Here we have the top
10 ways he's searching

for the real killers.

Number nine, elaborate ongoing
sting operation at Pebble Beach.

Yeah, excellent, excellent piece
of detective work.

I think the vast majority
of the people in Brentwood

thought he was guilty,

and it became very uncomfortable
for him to be here.

I saw him filling
up his car one day,

and people, literally,
were giving him the finger

and screaming insults.

He filled up his
car and pretended

he didn't hear anything
and moved on.

I was walking the dog
and that feeling you get

where the hair stands up
on the back of your neck

where you know
someone's watching you,

and O.J.'s leaning out
of the Rolls Royce,

and I remember
saying, "Oh, shit."

I walk over to him,
and he gets out,

and we hug and we kiss.

He turned to me and said,
"why don't you come see me?

"Not too many people
come to see me."

I said, "Sure, of course I will."

There was that hug goodbye,

and of course I'm gonna see you,

where he knew I was
never gonna see him,

and I knew I was
never gonna see him.

You had a pretty close relationship,
is that true?

We had the type
of relationship

that we'd see each other
a couple times a year.

But I wasn't one of
his best friends.

All the black people in
my life used to tell me,

man, white America
will turn on you,

and they will zip up your
nigger suit on you so fast

and they will forget
about you like that.

Why don't you sell
the Brentwood estate,

go away for a little while?

Go where?

What, do they want
me to go to Africa,

is that what some of
those people would want?

Go where, I live in LA

I see people, I
haven't seen 'em.

I hear there are
people in Brentwood

that don't want me in Brentwood.

Maybe they are, but
I would say this.

I think I've probably
lived in Brentwood longer

than 90% of 'em.

They're squatters.

If they don't want me in Brentwood,
they should leave.

Would you say the criticisms about
missing your daughter's birthday...

Hey, O. J!

Esquire had chosen me
to do a story about O.J. Simpson.

I was interested
in O.J. As a pariah.

Don't play with O.J.

Go away, O.J., go away.

I wanted to try to find out
how or whether he could uphold

the O.J. Persona

in the face of public
wrath and hatred.

I don't think there's
anybody out there

that won't say that
wherever they met me,

all over this country
forthe last 30 years,

I took time, I treated you the
way I wanted to be treated.

He's a wife-beater!
Go home!

I don't think there's
anybody out there

that ever met me anywhere,

in airports, in ballparks,
on the street,

that I wasn't kind to you,

I didn't treat you the way I thought
you wanted to be treated.

Anybody who's ever written me,
I wrote 'em back.

Charities that ever call me,
I always sent them something,

at my cost.

I only ask you to
give me that courtesy,

to treat me the
way I treated you.

You ugly murderer!
You ugly-ass murderer!

I felt sorry for him, I did.

I just couldn't
bring myself to feel

that he was bad

in the pure sense of the word.

I kept feeling like
he was a victim.

That's all I wanna do.
Provide for them.

My family, my kids,

and give me the opportunity
and a fair shake.

Fuck you, O. J!

But I swear to you, before my God,

I did not commit these crimes.

Thank you for taking the
time to listen to me.

The easy answer is to say
that people were indignant

that O.J. Got away with murder,

but the level,
the scope of the reaction,

my sense was that there
was a lot of racism in it.

(man shouting)

He wanted the love back.

He wanted to be loved again.

O. J!

He is our brother.

C'mon, you can clap on that.

We have never believed
that he was guilty.

He wanted acceptance
from the community.

He knew that he was ostracized
by a whole number of people.

Don't take a step back,

you just get with God and you
get ready for your comeback.

I think he felt a
sense of deliverance,

and maybe he felt that
God delivered him.

I'm not trying to
restore the image.

I'm not trying to get back
with God what I've lost.

I'm trying to do one thing.

I'm trying to go to Heaven.

But I got criticized.

How can you accept
someone who is a murderer?

Well, the court didn't
say he was a murderer.

Court said he was innocent,

and Jesus accepted all people.


(crowd chanting "O.J.")

This is like a dream
come true for me,

to meet Mr. O.J. Simpson.

Hug me, darling, I love you.

This is something,
let me put it on, man.

He said he was trying
to thank the people

that stuck by him,

but that wasn't O.J.

To me it didn't ring true.

This thing ain't
close to fitting me.

We'd go to Roscoe's too.

Go down and eat
chicken and waffles.

I remember telling
him, "when in the hell

"did you ever eat chicken
and waffles before?"

But that's where
black America went.

You would hear people,
"Oh, so now you're black.

"Now you're black."

C'mon up here, African.

We appreciate you
coming out tonight.


I grew up in the
projects, you know.

No one has to tell me,
you act black.

I grew up in the projects,
I know if I'm being black.

I am black.

But once I started getting
over at the end of the 60's,

what I'd done is something
that's happening

with a lot of black
men in America.

You find yourself protecting
your place in society.

You tend to think that
you're immune to something.

You know what's happening
out there is still happening,

but you're hoping to change

and you're really
fooling yourself.

But at this point
I'm in the community.

I'm trying to hang around
people that I think

can better educate me.

I think I have a unique
opportunity here.

I'd like to be able to
take advantage of it,

and I'd like to not possibly
once again let you down.

Thank you.


I was at home in New York.
The phone rang.

And a voice said, "Hey, it's O.J.

"I'm not done talking to you.

"I don't know why,
but I talk to you

"like you're my
shrink or something."

He said to me, "Let's say
I committed this crime.

"If I killed her,
it had to have been

"because I loved her
very much, right?"

Every time he spoke about
Nicole it was this mix

of affection, irritation,

indignation and kind of
wanting to prove to the person

he's speaking to that
she was impossible.

He's not wired
like everybody else.

He never wept for
Nicole or the kids.

Like, my kids are gonna have
to grow up without their mom.

The Browns had
Sidney and Justin.

We'd have to transfer the kids,

so they could go and spend
the weekend with their dad.

It's their dad and
I'm respecting that.

Before, we were talking
about a conversation

you had with Judy in
the last month or so

down in Laguna.

O.J. Told the
psychologist that Justin

had been calling him,
for him to come down

to watch him play basketball.

And the psychologist said,
"well, if that's the case,

"you should go."

I did not know until
after all this happened

that the Browns didn't know
that O.J. Was coming down.

We walked into the gym and
we watched Justin warm up.

Judy walks in,
she sits behind me,

and she says,
"I want to talk to you."

And I think she referred to
me as a coward or gutless

or something like that.

She said something
about O.J. Controlling me,

then Lou walked up.

He started in on me about
nobody wants you down here.

He said something about a scene.

I said,
"There's no scene, here."

I said, "If anybody's
making a scene here it's Judy.

"O.J. Hasn't done anything."

The kids were taken
away from my mom

on Christmas Eve.

That was devastating.

Sydney would say, "I wanna go."

To her grandparents,

and he said, "They
don't want you.

"They want you for the money.

"They want you for
the child support.

"That's why they want you."

It was strained.

One night, I went to Rockingham,

and we're drinking
Rolling Rock beer outside,

and he was smoking pot.

He was looking
around the backyard,

reliving all the different
events that had happened there.

And I just asked him,
what happened June 12th?

And he asked me what I
thought happened.

I said, "I have always
thought you probably did it."

I said, "I know
what you told A.C.,

"that you went there,

"but you just went to
see what was going on,

"but you didn't take a knife."

He shook his head
and he said, "Yeah."

And he said that if she
wouldn't have opened the door

with a knife,
she'd still be alive.

I believed that for
the longest time.

And then I...

He went there to kill her.

He went there to kill her because
of how she made him feel,

being rejected.

That she didn't need him.

And then, of course,
the Marcus factor.

I'm betterthan you.

He was seeing Marcus was him

15 years younger.

And I guess the part that
bothers me about it,

is he left the kids upstairs

to walk out.

They could've walked out and
found their mom like that.

If died tomorrow, I would know
without a doubt that he did it.

Not even a slight
maybe that he didn't.

We had a year to
file the civil suit.

We wanted a court of
law to say, "You did it."

O.J. Simpson is back in
the news this morning.

He wanted his deposition in
the wrongful death lawsuits

kept secret but a
judge in Santa Monica

ruled wednesday that his
testimony will not be sealed.

The judge also ruled
it will be video taped.

Present is plaintiff
Frederick Goldman.

Swear the witness.

Would you raise your
right hand please?

I wanted to be in the
room when the deposition

was being taken.

...so help you God?
- I do.

To be able to say,
"we're after you."

Do you recall an incident
when you chased her?

- No.
- Grabbed her?

- No.
- Threw her into the walls?


Threw all of her clothes
out the window into the street?

- No.
- And bruised her?

- No.
- You don't recall any of that?


Listening to him was
everything from disgust

to astonishment.

- Excuse me?
- I said don't answer.

But, he whispered
something, Mr. Baker.

- No, I did not.
- You mouthed something.

I think I'm allowed to
mouth something to myself, aren't I?

What did you mouth?

He was cocky.

He was never forthcoming
with anything.

(O.J. Laughing)

We are back on the record now.

He'd be smiling,
like the whole thing was a joke.

What is that paper there for?

I designed a golf hole
that he's gonna play.

The course he's gonna play,

and I was just telling
him about a hole

that's on that golf course.

And that's how seriously
he was taking it.

Did you ever buy shoes

that you knew were
Bruno Magli's shoes?


How do you know that?

'Cause I know if
Bruno Magli makes shoes

that look like the shoes
that they had in court

that's involved in this case,

I would have never worn
those ugly-ass shoes.

He'd lied about everything.

There's not an honest
bone in his body.

You were sort of obsessed

with her having that
relationship with Keith, right?


Didn't bother you at all?

Her with Keith, with Marcus,
with any of 'em, didn't bother me at all.

- Not at all?
- No.

He's lived a life of
fraud and being a fake

for God knows how many decades,

to a point where I think he
just believes his own bull.

I gotta take a leak.

Mr. Cowlings, I'm going
to ask you to look at

this picture.

It's been previously marked
as exhibit number 45.

Ask if you recognize
that picture.



And who do you
recognize that to be?


And does that
appearto be the way

that Nicole looked when
you went over there

that early morning time...

Hey man, you give me a break.

The O.J. Simpson civil
case gets under way today.

The families of
Nicole Brown Simpson

and Ronald Goldman
are suing him.

This time the judge
is keeping cameras

out of the courtroom.

I truly, truly, truly
wish it had been televised.

It was a totally
different dynamic.

No longer the killer
and his attorneys

in charge of the courtroom.

It was the system at work.

Meanwhile, the jury's
going to look very different

in this case.

You're coming out
of a different area.

You're coming out of
the Santa Monica area,

instead of downtown Los Angeles.

Obviously, the makeup
of your jury pool

is gonna be different.

Basically, they just repeated
the case that we presented,

but they had Simpson.

They could call him
to the witness stand

and cross-examine him.

One of the things that came
up was if he owned the shoes.

Bruno Magli's.

Because of the
footprints of those shoes

were at the crime scene.

You thought those
were ugly-ass shoes?


Wrong, liar.

Not only did we see
photographs of him wearing

the ugly-ass shoes,

we were then able to compare
it to the footprints

at the crime scene.

And we're right back to done.

Rare shoes.

Only 299 pairs sold
in this country.

O.J. Simpson said that
he'd never own the shoes,

and yet he was forced to
admit that that was him

in the picture.

It was like watching
a little child

getting caught with his
hand in the cookie jar.

All it did was
reaffirm what I knew,

in my heart,

and that was he was a murderer.

Time to turn our attention
to the O.J. Simpson civil case.

The jury is expected to
begin deliberations today.

In a civil trial
all you have to prove

is that they're guilty by a
preponderance of the evidence.

That means more likely than not.

51% is enough.

It's a very low
standard of proof.

Completely different
than the criminal trial.

Avery brief
interruption, everybody.

In case you haven't
heard the news until now,

there has been a verdict
in the O.J. Simpson

civil trial in California.

Between 35 and 45
minutes from now,

everybody will be back in
the courtroom in Santa Monica

to hear the verdict.

Just to remind people,
we are in washington today.

Helps our audience.

My employers have decided
that some time ago,

that the President's
address to the nation

is what's important
to the future

and as fascinated, I guess
to be honest, as we all are

about the O.J. Simpson verdict.

Our bosses have
made the decision,

so let's go back.


We must pursue a deeper
dialogue with China.

I'm told people are assembling

in the courtroom
and that they expect

to be able to read this
verdict within moments.

O.J. Iooks straight at the court

and she read the answer, yes,

that Simpson was
liable for the death

of Nicole Brown Simpson
and Ronald Goldman.

This jury was unified
in their decision.

There was no question that
he had committed these acts,

and he was totally
responsible beyond any doubt.

It was amazing.

Finally had a court say you're
responsible for Ron's death.

Our family is
grateful for a verdict

of responsibility which
is all we ever wanted,

and we have it, thank God.


Simpson was found liable
to the tune of $8,500,000.

And the jury isn't finished yet.

On Thursday jurors will
return to hear testimony

about additional
punitive damage.


Total $33,000,000.

We were so shocked
at the figure,

it was astonishing.

But what people don't
realize about a civil trial

is that ajudgement
is a piece of paper,

and that is what you get.

Then, it becomes the
creditor's responsibility

to figure out a way
to collect on it.

Do you have a moral
obligation to pay any of that?

I don't feel I have a
moral obligation to pay,

because morally,
I've done nothing wrong.

I think I have a
legal obligation

when I have money to pay.

I wish I could sign a
$50,000,000 contract

and give them whatever
they have to give,

if I knew I could get
it back on appeal.

Oh, he knew he'd never pay.

Because the system
wanted to make certain

that they got everything he had,

they brought in the guy
that handles the estates

of Marilyn Monroe,
Elvis, and James Dean,

to say that O.J. Was
in that same class,

that he would make
that kinda money

for the rest of his life.

As his agent, I'm sitting there,

not gonna happen.

Those people didn't
murder anybody,

or at least in the
perception of America,

he didn't murder anybody.

It became our
goal to be after him

for the rest of his life.

He's gonna always know that
we're right behind him,

looking over his shoulder,

trying to figure out
a way to get him.

In other news this morning,

O.J. Simpson has been
ordered to turn over

some precious belongings
to satisfy the judgement

against him in
his civil lawsuit.

The half million dollar
inventory includes

Simpson's golf clubs

and his Andy warhol
silkscreen of himself.

Simpson will have seven
days to turn over the items

to be sold.

We had received a
fax in the office.

Sheriff's department needed
to know where to park

these two giant moving trucks.

So, we knew the day before
that they were coming

to seize these various items.

There was quite a few people.

His family and friends
moving stuff out

and taking it to
different homes.

O.J. Was out playing golf.


Sheriff's department,
they were coming through the gates

at 8 o'clock or
7 o'clock or something.

As they were coming in,
I was leaving.

Literally, gates were
open at the same time.

I left.

I had his collectibles,
personal items,

Tiffany lamps, carpet.

A bunch of stuff
went out to a storage unit

in south San Francisco,
but it was scattered.

I mean, just all over.

It was like a biblical flood
carrying away everything.

He lived a materialistically
lavish life,

but that wasn't what
was most important.

When they wanted
his mother's piano,

that rocked his foundation.

They wanted her house
up in Potrero Hill.

Those things bothered him.

It bothered me when
they started taking

things that I didn't
think was just.

O.J., the congratulations
of all of us

for your impeccable character.

Thank you, Mr. Cosell.

Thank you, Mr. Simpson.

How do you take
away his Heisman?

That was who he was
when I was innocent

and he was innocent.

Was that Heisman given to you?

No, it wasn't given to me.
I basically just took it.

I had an arrangement
with Mr. Simpson,

where I would be paid
X amount of money

or I could take it
out in memorabilia.

So I took the Heisman
and a few other items

I figured were mine.

The IRS has filed a
lien against O.J. Simpson's

Brentwood mansion.

It says he owes more than
$685,000 in back taxes,

interest, and penalties.

I haven't made any
payments in quite awhile.

I love the house, my
kids were born there.

I lost a daughter there.

We had some great times
there but it's gone,

and now I gotta
find some place else

to have some great times,
you know, move on.

The last day at Rockingham,

it was kind of an
odd, surreal day.

For me it was emotional,

and for O.J., I guess he had
kinda mentally checked out,

where it wasn't.

Hey, Mike.

I want you to go overthere
and shoot over the fence,

walk through the gate, so
I can give you the old...

He's like, "Okay, now
go outside of the gate."

Like I'm a tourist, and I'm
sneaking in through his gate,

filming him taking
the flag down.

Because the tabloids were
paying like 150 grand,

200 grand, crazy money.

Hey, this is private property.

C'mon man, look.

C'mon man, gimme a break.

C'mon guy, c'mon.

Putting the flag up, taking
it down, putting it up, taking it down.

Him folding it and
trying to get emotional,

where he's tearing up.

He's really working
it, tearing up.

Oh, man, that's real classy.

Take care.

Everybody's chasing
O.J. For a story today.

Do an interview,
do an interview.

I need you to do an interview.

I'm gonna dog you out bad, too.

I'm gonna pimp ya.

I needed a challenge.

I can promote anybody,
anything, it doesn't matter.

So, my attorney came
back and he said,

"I got just the thing for
you, it's O.J. Simpson."

I'm like well,
that's a challenge.

I'm like "Hm."

I put him in a world
where he was happy again.

Then, when I saw what happened,

I said we should just get
a camera and film this.

- Cheers, O.J.
- Cheers.

I think that there
were people offended

now that you're here.

You know, I would think that
the ones who were offended

may be tuned into
another channel.

I don't know, that's
just a guess of mine.

I would like to think that
the majority of your listeners

would not be offended.

I know you'd like
to think that, O.J.,

but I'm not sure.

First, I just wanna say,

it's interesting
to have you here.

Thank you.

He was still famous
and fame, infamy...

O.J., I was told not to
ask you about the incident.

Is there any reason why?

- What incident?
- The incident with Nicole.

'Cause there's
nothing to talk about.

'Cause you were
proven innocent-

Because I was innocent,
I was proven innocent,

and once we open that
we're back into the...

It's what, seven years now?

It's over and over
and over, ya know?

I mean they tell
you life goes on.

We talk about O.J.

As though the story is O.J.

So, when you travel
and when you're walking

down the street and
things like that,

what type of reaction
do you get from people?

The story is O.J. And us.

The exact reaction,
maybe a little more emotional,

that I got 15 years ago.

If you took a walk with
me down the street,

you'd be amazed.

I don't care where I go,
white, black, wherever I go.

Everybody's terrific.

The different people,
watching their reactions

was quite amazing.

That's where I played football.
I wore number 32.

Hey, you stay gorgeous.

Spell it for me.

Oh my, God,
it's really O.J. Simpson.

In our town.

He's really here.

He was addicted to fame,

and the reality is
the music didn't stop.

Where do you
want to do this?

I don't know, you're good
with the white women,

now I see black women.

Hey, I'm good with
the sisters too, baby.

If you didn't already
have a kid and a man

out there that's bigger than me.

Oh please, O.J.

Oh, you're here.
See, he's in here.

Forget what I just said.

But you know what, O. J?

Not for nothing, good black don't crack,
and you certainly do look good.

You wanna catch
yourself, right?

I don't know, O.J.

I don't know.

Something takes over when
you're in his presence.

He's taking you away from
the sordid dark reality

that you're sitting
across from somebody

who probably committed murder.

(advertisements drowning
out conversation)

All that goes away and
there's just this sense

of wanting to believe
him and go with him

to this place where
everything is still okay.

The truly righteous are
not the self-righteous.

Just remember that.
I read that in the Quran.

O.J., I wanna say I don't
like you, I can't stand you.

I wanna call you names, I wanna
throw you right out of here,

but, ya know what?

Your husband's watching,
you better watch.

You've done it to me.
Can I invite you to a party?

Sure, I'll be there.

His friends would
call it the O.J. Effect.

They would say
"Yeah, you got O.J. Ed."

Being O.J. Ed is being charmed.

The confusion that you feel

afteryou've been
in his presence.

I don't think he was not guilty,

but I was in touch with
the fact that I wanted

to think he was not guilty.

O.J., damn you, I like you.

- Thank you.
- Damn you.

Damn you.

Damn you.


Oh my gosh, he hugged me!

(O.J. Laughing)

Damn you, O.J.

Damn you, O.J. Simpson,
you're charming.

Well, thank you.

He can get into your
head and you'll like him.

There's no way around it.

I didn't know O.J. The murderer.

I was injail at the time
when the thing happened.

I remember O.J. The hero.

Playing football
as a 10 year old,

saying I'm O.J. Simpson
running with the ball.

I remember O.J. The
charming movie guy.

Police, throw down your guns!

The mega hero growing up.

O.J. Crashed the national
baseball card show in Chicago

and was sitting at a
table signing autographs,

and there was a line
around the aisle for him

until the promoters
came and threw him out.

He was charging,
I think, $150 an autograph.

So, that's what made
me think, you know, hey.

This could be worth it.

We'd hire him to
sign 200 autographs.

What do you got there,
you got another 80 items?

You know, put the TV on the USC game
and I'll take care of them.

I liked the guy.

Public appearances,
he'd get 50 to 100 grand.

It was a matter of him
hiding from the Goldmans.

He had a team of
people to make sure

that any money he could
get was gonna be protected.

They would form
some phony company

and funnel the
money through that.

Then he moved to Florida.

His home suddenly
became untouchable.

His pension was untouchable
already, by law.

South Beach, Miami.

Nobody judges you there.

Nobody said murderer.

They just wanted to touch him.

So, he was living
large, living large.

You rolling?

You rolling?

(news intro music)

� Right now, O.J. Simpson
is a fugitive of justice

� O.J. Simpson, football
legend, has just become

� the prime suspect
in a double murder.

Oh God, Florida was
just like a nightmare.

I hate everything about Florida,

everything that's
happened in Florida.

� In the trial of the century

� Lies a hero's destiny

� Tell me O.J.,
what's it gonna be

� Every man wants to be made

� In the trial of the century

� Lies a hero's destiny

- That's my drink.
- Whose drink is this?

That's yours up there.


That motherfucker
had the nerve...

In Florida, his group of
friends was much different.

Did you get that set up?

We gotta get some more
money outta them.

Week before Christmas.

They weren't the Lynn
Swann's and the Rosey Grier's

Yo, fucking with
our game, man.

He hung around with anybody
that was more thuggish.

The lower people.

But to the lower people,
he was like the Godfather.

You fucking with
our golf game, okay?

We out here to have a good time
and you fucking with our game.

Because of that,
his head grew.

When O.J. Crossed over
into the dark side,

I guess that's probably where
I came in at, you know?

Because I'm no celebrity.

I'm not football star
or baseball star.

I was a regular guy, but
he seemed to like me.

I started liking
to hang out with O.J.

Because of the perks.

We went to strip clubs,
went to night clubs.

We'd drink and
check out the girls,

and there was always an
ample amount of women around.

He said, "You
know what's crazy is

"I'm getting more girls now.

"Now I got a bad boy image
and I was never a bad boy.

"I have to wonder,
what are they thinking,

"because I was accused
of murdering my wife."

Since I've been in Miami,
I've gone out with a Cuban girl,

a Venezuelan girl,
and a white girl.

You only see the white
girl in the media,

and they all look like
Nicole from what they say.

At the time I started
chronicling him,

he was involved with his
girlfriend, Christie Prody,

and the first time I saw
her drive in in a covertible

I know, baby.

...I did a double take,
because from a distance,

she looked like a
spitting image of Nicole.

He's fine, he's fine.

I believe in this man.

He was going down,

and what I mean by that
is he had no interest

in getting to either safer
ground or higher ground,

if it existed.

He was gonna go to,
essentially, decadence.

(laughter and reveling)

They're talking about me, baby!

Christie Prody, the cocaine
and then she'd get clean,

and then he couldn't
get her coked up enough.

I asked him why.

You know she can't stop.

You can do coke for a couple
of days and then stop.

She can't.
She will keep doing coke.

I say damn.

He said, "Yeah, but when she does
this she gets me more girls

"than I get myself."

We gotta get some
closeups of the crotch,

can't be pimpin' without
some crotch shots.

The only crotch that
matters around here,

that crotch right there,

ya understand what
I'm talking about?

Gotta hide this here.

I gotta big sheet of paper here,
so don't even worry about it.

Ya know, the public has to
identify with an athlete.

You can be in awe of an athlete,

and there's many
athletes out there

that you're in awe of,
but you wanna feel

a part of that person.

I think people view
me as a certain way,

and I don't wanna let them down.

Are you any
different than you were

ten years ago?



I'm just the way
I've always been.

I look at myself and
think I'm a good guy.

I truly believe,
in the most part,

that you get what you
deserve in this world.

If you allow things
to happen to you,

they will happen to you.

You think O.J.'s a
good looking guy?

If I liked guys, I'd do him.

Oh, God.

(speech drowned out by laughter)

He would go in makeup
and spoof people,

like you've been "Juiced" or
whatever the hell it was.

Oranges from O.J.

O.J., right here.

C'mon, help the Juice,
I'm kinda down and out.

It was like going and
seeing the two-headed cow

at the circus or something.

The freak show.

� why do people wonder
about my intentions

� why do people ask
me so many questions

� 'Bout how I made it to the top

� 'Bout all the times I
made those defensive stops

� See the only way I
live my life is large

� And I got the most
game with 200-plus yards

O.J. Said, "if 90% of America
thinks I'm a killer,

who gives a shit what
else they think?"

� I got Juiced

And I said, "well,
what about your kids?"

Living your life
like some 24 year old

multimillionaire punk ass,

hit every strip club you can,

have all the threesomes you can.

Don't care about what
lives you're ruining.

What your kids are seeing.

What they're experiencing.
You don't care.

Because it's all about you.

I finally walked away
after the last time

I saw how he treated his kids.

And when I really started
looking back on everything...

I said, "what in
the hell did I do?"

And with somebody that I grew
up admiring and idolizing.

O.J. May not have a conscience.

He may not pay for
killing two people,

but I sure in the hell pay for
helping him get away with it.

I pay.

New outrage tonight
over O.J. Simpson.

Simpson is trying to sell books,

and he's doing it in ways
that have vividly revived

memories of the murders
and his acquittal.

Judith Regan, a sort
of powerhouse publisher,

told me about this project.

It's O.J. Simpson and we're
gonna try to get a confession.

How could I not do it?

They were willing to give
him 700-plus thousand dollars

as an advance.

At that point he not
only needed the money,

but thought in a while people
would be less interested.

You know, on some level
he felt he was being forgotten.

Like the years had gone by.

Fame's a terrible beast.

When you get a taste of
that and people forget you,

it's very hard.

I needed to sit down with
him and get his story,

and it was emotionally
difficult for him.

He goes, "I'll tell you this.

"If I did it, I couldn't
have done it alone."

So there was
someone else there.

He said, "There
might have been."

And it was like he was playing
this little game with me,

but it wasn't a
particularly clever game.

Then he told me about the
ride home, up the alley.

I assumed he made a right and
stopped at the traffic light,

because I'd heard
that somebody saw him.

He said, "No, no, I didn't
stop at that traffic light.

"I went up the alley
and took a left,

"and went up Grut and
Green to San Basini

"and on home."

And then he saw the
look on my face.

He says, "That's the
way I would have gone,

"you know, had I done it."

To me there was
no doubt about it.

He wasn't making this stuff up.

I got there thinking
he was a murderer,

and I left there more
convinced than ever

that he was a murderer.

To give a voice to a murderer

is beyond imagination.

Everybody is more than
willing to jump in

and play his game.

Because it's money for him
and then it was gonna be

money forthem.

Well, we wanted to
put an end to it.

Disgusted by money for blood,

millions pressure
publisher Rupert Murdoch,

who fires the executive in
charge and kills the book.

As the largest debtor we
got the rights to the book.

So we read it and
we were shocked.

It was as close to the confession
as you could ever get.

We made one change
and one change only:

The title of the book.

We took the word if
and made it very small,

and laid it into the letter I.

So it was If I Did lt.

We were hearing
all over the place,

we were wrong for doing it.

You know what, it was, okay,
you think we're wrong, so what?

It's all about money.

How much money is it gonna
take to make you guys happy?

It's not gonna bring
Nicole or Ron back.

That book was inexplicable.

He was thinking, I'm
not gonna say I did it,

but I'm not gonna
not say I did it.

So, it's this whole kind of
striptease that goes on,

and everybody's complicit in it.

Like any murder story,
a few more twists.

Then a twist.

In a bizarre
twist the Goldman...

what I think I
found most disturbing...

repeating O.J. Simpson)

It's the audience and our
appetite for that kind of stuff.

Unlike most murder
stories this one still lacks

the chapter everyone expects:


Elvis, get your
pelvis away from me.

The Vegas chapter is
where everything just gets

so damn sordid.

I can't sit here and
authoritatively tell you

what went down in Vegas,

because it's too convoluted.

Mike Gilbert had been pilfering
O.J.'s stuff throughout.

You know, Mike's got his
eye on the memorabilia,

the historical value, the money,

and O.J.'s just running.

That's what O.J. Does, right?
He runs.

And in his wake,
there's all this stuff,

and all these people are
picking up the stuff.

I got a call.
It was Al Beardsley.

He's this six foot six,

300 pound O.J. Fanatic,

saying "Tom, I saw you on TV
with the Anna Nicole Diaries.

"I got something even better.

"I have all the stuff
from O.J.'s trophy room.

"He didn't pay his bills,
his agent stole them."

Beardsley told me that
a majority of the stuff

was in Vegas.

Called O.J.

O.J. Said, "Look Tom,
this is not memorabilia.

"These are personal artifacts
that were stolen from me.

"My football that I
was holding in my arms

"when I rushed for 2,000 yards.

"The ring from my wife who died,

"that I was gonna
give to my daughter."

He kept talking about a photo
signed by J. Edgar Hoover.

J. Edgar Hoover said he was
a big fan of fine young men.

"Everyone thinks nothing
bad happens to me.

"Here I am being robbed.

"Why don't we show the
world that I have to go

"by myself to get
my stuff back?"

He says, "I was invited
to a wedding in Vegas.

"I can be in Vegas."

If I Did It was due to be released
on the day of the wedding

that he was there.

So I said, "O.J., great.

"Sign 200 books for me."

He goes, "Fuck, no."

I go, "Dude, you're asking me
to help you with this shit."

And he says, "I'm gonna
write on the books

"I didn't write this and then
I'll sign it O.J. Simpson."

I said, "That's good enough for me.
"I'll take that."

Afree inscription, too.

I met him at the Palms, at
a pool party at the Palms.

O.J. Was wearing sunglasses

and he was every bit

the celebrity you
would think he would be

before the murders.

Girls were coming up to
him, like young girls.

"Are you O. J?
Can I take a picture?"

Sitting on his lap and
he had his own cabana,

with a dozen people in it.

"Hey, Juice."

Like, weasely guys like "Hey
Juice can I get you a drink?

"Hey, Juice."

He was sitting there telling
stories and joking around,

and we were all laughing.

I ended up going up to his room.

He said, "Listen.

"These people stole my stuff,

"and they knowthey stole it.

"We're gonna shock the
hell of those guys.

"I'm gonna have my
buddies coming over,

"and man, they're
gonna shit their pants

"when they see us."

Know what I
remember about that?

I'm up in his room,
watching on TV.

There's this pretty, beautiful
brunette that comes out.

He said, "That's my goddaughter.

"Her name is Kim."

I am so excited to
do my reality show.

She said, "I have a
show about my family."

It's me and my whole family.

What's it called?

It's called Keeping
Up with the Kardashians.

"My dad was such
a great lawyer.

He got O.J. Off the
hook for murder."

O.J.'s like, "That's bullshit.
He was a family friend."

He's yelling at the TV.
"Baby, your dad was shit."

I'm like, this is weird.

I didn't know what the
hell a Kardashian was.

"That show ain't gonna
last two weeks," O.J. Goes.

We get to the Palms.
Simpson's there.

He started talking
about some guys

who stole from him,

and he wanted to
show some strength.

He wanted to be intimidating.

He wanted me to come
along with him as security

since I was a licensed
firearm holder,

and because I
considered him a friend,

I decided I would help him.

At that time I had a lot
of O.J. Simpson memorabilia.

Thousands of pieces.

Al Beardsley said,
"Hey, I've got a buyer

"that wants to buy O.J.
Simpson memorabilia,

"and he wants to
buy a lot of it.

"He'd like to meet at
the Palace Station."

I think a lot people
go there for quick fixes.

You don't spend a lot of money,
but you can get a lot done.

I loaded everything
into my truck.

I was transporting over
$100,000 worth of memorabilia.

Beardsley met me,
took me inside,

I meet Tom Riccio
for the first time.

He says, "Yeah, my buyer will
be here in a little while.

"Can I see what you got?"

I show him
photographs, footballs.

This is all the stuff I've
paid O.J. To sign over the years.

He says, "Is this all there is?"
I said, "Yeah."

He said, "I thought
there was gonna be

"a bunch of O.J.'s
personal memorabilia."

I said, "This is all there is."

Along with that I brought
along some other stuff.

He was pushing
Pete Rose stuff.

Joe Montana lithographs.

I'm like, "Dude,
he's not interested.

"He's an O.J. Fan.
He wants O.J.'s personal."

"Yeah, but if he's
interested in O.J.,

he's gonna want Joe Montana."

A lot of the things
that O.J. Thought that I had

were actually in the storage
unit in San Francisco,

that was lost to an auction.

But we had several lockers.

The one in Hanford,
Bruce emptied it out,

and he's been selling
it for like 10 months.

Mike took it from O.J.,

Fromong takes it from Mike.

Now, it turns into
the Marx Brothers.

Everybody is now
acting like a lunatic.

I'm alone in the room
with Bruce Fromong,

and Al Beardsley.

Beardsley is a bit of a nut.

He went to prison for stalking.

O.J.'s croney calls.

They're like, "All right,
we'll be there in 15 minutes."

After about an hour,
they're all getting antsy.

They're like, "what's going on?"
"This is bullshit."

Blah, blah, blah.

It really seemed
like a drug deal.

We got to the hotel, we had
to wait for some more guys.

When all the other
guys showed up,

they didn't look like
the most ferocious men.

It was a mismatched bunch.

One of them was a frumpy
looking white dude,

which like, what the
hell's he doing here?

One of them was
an older black guy

that looked like he
could have been a librarian.

I never met so many
con-men at one time,

but everybody was
trying to get money.

Everyone of them guys had
something up for Simpson.

Them guys got confused
where the room was.

They was on the elevator
going up and down.

The room was like 12 something,

but it was on the bottom floor.

It wasn't on the 12th story.

It was like a weird maze.

It was dumb.

This whole situation was
a very dumb situation.

At the final stage,
everyone met at that hallway

where the room is.

They said, "They got guns?"

I go, "No.

"You guys got guns?

"Dude, do you guys got guns?"

Room 1203.

I don't think I'll ever
forget that room number.

Simpson asked me
to look menacing,

so I had my gun out.

And he was getting
angrier and angrier.

Riccio pulled the key
out, opened the door,

and we walked in the room.

I'm on the phone talking.

The door opens very quickly.

The men that were in the room

were pretty damn
surprised to see us,

and they were even more
surprised to see Simpson.

I'm seeing O.J.

It had been quite awhile
since I'd seen O.J.

He had always been friendly,

but this guy had a face on
him that was just a rage.

He's yelling and screaming,
I'm yelling and screaming.

I'm telling the
guys to move over,

do this, do that.

I had no idea who
was in the room, then.

No one briefed me on anything.

I pushed one of the
guys into the bathroom,

and told him not
to come out of it.

It was a crowded room.

I guess there was a
guy in the bathroom.

One or two of them
were over by Beardsley.

Beardsley is like
in love with O.J.,

so he seems almost
happy to see him.

"Hey, O.J."

And O.J. Iooks at him.

"O.J., I thought we were friends."

"I thought we were cool."

The guy with the gun,
he hits me in the shoulder

and it knocked me backwards
against the chair.

Then, he put the gun in my face,
you know, kinda gangster style.

I said something
to the effect,

"You guys are lucky
we're not in LA,

"or you'd all be laying down."

I'll shoot your ass.

I couldn't believe I said it,

but it was just
something that I said.

Then I started
saying bag stuff up.

What O.J. Called his stuff,
everybody called his stuff,

I called it junk.

Boxes of pictures, some ties.

They're pushing the
stuff back to him.

"Here, O.J."

What do you think you
can do, stealing my shit,

blah blah blah blah,

and they're all apologizing,
pushing it back.

Then, the guys started
taking pillow cases

and stuffing Pete Rose
stuff and Joe Montana.

Like, wait a minute.
That's not your stuff.

So, the first minute went
exactly as O.J. Scripted it.

The next three or four
turned into an armed robbery.

He took my phone and
I had just gotten it.

I go, "O.J., don't take my phone.
I just got it."

He takes it, he says,
"I'll leave it at the desk."

And O.J. Left.

I went up to the
front desk, and I said,

"I need security, I was
just robbed by O.J. Simpson."

And they started laughing.

911 emergency.

I was just robbed by O.J. Simpson

and four other black
men at gun point.

We need the police
here right away, ma'am.

You don't have to
keep telling me that.

That's why I'm needing the
descriptions for the officers.

Four black men and O.J.
Simpson is not enough.

I'm gonna need to know
what they were wearing.

The cops showed up
and they were really

lax about it.

They were like, "So, you
were robbed, O.J. Simpson.

"Who else was here, Al Cowlings?"

Once we got back
over to the Palms,

first thing he said,
"There was no gun.

"There was no gun."

So, right then I knew he
had some shit with him.

He's trying to get
ready to set up all this

good O.J. Simpson look to make
himself look legitimate.

- Hello, guys.
- Hi, how's it going?

All is well.

You're trying to put
your actor face back on.

You're trying to put your
pitch man face back on.

God bless, hey guys.

Take care.
Happy weekend.

But he's not fooling me.

When I got home that day,

I told my wife, "I think
I just did a robbery."

The first thing she asked me is,
"Did you have your gun?"

I was like, "Yeah."

I was just fighting the
reality of the answer,

and I knew that the cops
were gonna get involved,

and I knew because
it was Simpson

that it was gonna get huge.

Later on, I went back
to the Palace Station,

back to the room where
the recorder was.

You recorded that whole thing?

I recorded it because
there was a bunch of idiots

going in a room and I didn't
know what was gonna happen.

I wanted to make sure
it was documented.

The police were
searching the room.

The one six inch area
where the recorder was,

they didn't find it.

As I'm putting it in my pocket,

the cop's like, "Get your shit

"and get the f out
of here, right now."

If you woke up and
heard that O.J. Simpson

is back in the news
and under arrest,

rest assured it's
not Ground Hog day.

This time though, he's in
a jail cell in Las Vegas

after a confrontation,
apparently caught on tape.

No Johnnie to save you
this time, O.J.

Two hours after the arrest,
I got a hold of Harvey Levin.

I ended up selling the
tapes for $150,000.

I was heartbroken by it.

O.J., what were you thinking?

What were you thinking?

Are you kidding me?

Are you kidding me?

You just walked away
from a double murder

and you do this?

All rise for Judge Jackie Glass.

Nevada District Court
is now in session.

The honorable Jackie Glass.

I was looking at 12,
13 years in prison,

and I don't want
any parts of that.

I wanted zero parts
to do with that.

I started thinking, if I testify,
I could clear myself up,

and if I don't testify
I'm gonna be a fool.

...tell the truth, so help you God?
- I do.

Have a seat please.

As far as a street code not
to talk on a witness stand,

there's a bunch of guys
in prison right now,

all over the country,
behind the code.

They gave their life
up for the code,

but I wasn't going to
jail for no O.J. Simpson.

Not me.

If I'd have went
tojail from him,

think he would have
come to visit me?


You think he would have
gave me commissary?


Excuse my expression
but fuck him.

This case was something built

from a grain of salt

into a mountain of salt.
You know what I mean?

Count two, conspiracy
to commit kidnapping,

Count three...

C.J. Stewart went to jail
for not taking the deal.

Even though I think
I did nothing wrong,

and I still contend to this
day I did nothing wrong

with the O.J. Thing.

Could I have spent the
next couple of years

defending myself
against something

that I don't think I did?


So, I told my lawyer
before I do anything,

get me immunity.

Do you solemnly swear
to tell the truth,

the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth,

so help you God?

I do.

O.J. Got duped.

O.J. Got duped by Tom Riccio.

Tom Riccio lied to O.J. Simpson.

He said I know someone that's
got thousands of pieces

of your memorabilia.

He set O.J. Simpson up.

Oh yeah, Tom Riccio's a rat.

Who did I rat on,
did I rat on anybody here?

Name a person I ratted on.

Not that I have anything
against ratting,

if it would help
the world, I'll rat.

But I didn't rat on anybody.

Riccio says that
it was O.J. Simpson

who was giving the
orders in the room.

O.J. Was definitely in charge.

I mean, I don't know
what you'd call...

Maybe I did rat out some people.

I don't know, maybe I did with
the O.J. Thing, maybe I did.

All right, so I'm a rat.

Thomas Riccio,
their star witness,

one of my favorite people ever.

I was in Las Vegas
and I was reporting

for Entertainment
Tonight about the trial.

Such a weird
confluence of events.

How does this happen?

So I was watching the
preliminary hearing

and at lunch break we
were in the cafeteria

and he showed up there.

It's O.J. And walked by.

Mr. Simpson.

Ms. Clark.

It was weird.

13 years to the day after
O.J. Simpson was acquitted

in the murders of his ex-wife,
Nicole Brown Simpson,

and her friend, Ronald Goldman,

O.J. Was found guilty of
kidnapping and armed robbery

in a Las Vegas
courtroom Friday night.

What happened to
Mr. Simpson, to me...

He was being selfish.

He's been in a lot of pain.

Pain medication, drinking,

trying to control
everything goes on in his life,

in his relationship,
his finances.

And it wasn't as good
as it used to be.

You know?
It wasn't as great.

The whole big picture, his life,

he was just tired.

He's street,

and O.J. Regrettably

reverted back to
Galileo High School.

You know?

He reverted back
to Hunter's Point.


I feel like apologetic
to the people

of the state of Nevada.

I've been coming to
Nevada since 1959.

I worked summerjobs here
for my uncle in '60 and '61.

I've been coming ever since

and I've never gotten
into any trouble.

People have always
been fine to me.

When I came here I
came here for a wedding.

I didn't come here to...

I didn't come here
to reclaim property.

I was told it was here.

I called my kids and I
told them I had a chance

to get some of
our property back.

We've called the police
and asked what to do.

They told us what to try to do.

You could neverfind
out who was selling it.

This was the first time
I had an opportunity

to catch the guys red
handed who had been stealing

from my family.

I wasn't there to hurt anybody.

I just wanted my
personal things,

and I realize now it
was stupid of me.

I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to steal
anything from anybody

and I didn't know I was
doing anything illegal.

I thought I was
confronting friends

and retrieving my property.

That guy, he should have
been the model citizen.

Should have been in
church every week.

Should have been helping kids.

Instead, he did more
to hurt Africa-American

young men and boys

by putting on this charade.

He kept pushing the envelope.

You know?
And why wouldn't he?

I mean, if I got away with everything
time after time after time...

Hey, I'm a god.

All right, for Mr. Simpson.

All right, Mr. Simpson, I'm
gonna sentence you as follows.

Count one, conspiracy
to commit a crime,

one year in the county jail.

Count two, conspiracy
to commit kidnapping.

Aminimum term of 12 months,
max term of 48 months

in the Nevada Department
of Corrections.

Count three, conspiracy
to commit robbery.

Aminimum term of 12 months,
max term of 48 months

in the Nevada Department
of Corrections.

Count four, burglary while in
possession of a deadly weapon.

Aminimum term of 26 months...

I went to an inner
city high school

and our football team was terrible,

but our fighters were good,

and we might lose the 4th
quarter of the ball game,

but we were gonna win the
5th quarter after the game.

The fight.

So, it's called the 5th quarter.

Count five, the first
degree kidnapping with use

of a deadly weapon.

Afixed term of 15 years,
parole eligibility beginning

after five years.

Count six, the first
degree kidnapping with use

of a deadly weapon.

A fixed term of 15 years.

That was, at most,
a two-year crime dripping wet.

The judge in that case

held the jury out
until 11 o'clock

on a Friday night,
13 years to the day

of O.J. Simpson's
verdict on October 3rd.

That, in my mind, was
not a coincidence.

Robbery with use
of a deadly weapon.

A minimum term of 60 months.

A maximum term of 180 months.

Count eight, robbery with
use of a deadly weapon.

A minimum term of 60 months.

A max term of a 180 months

in the Nevada Department
of Corrections.

The assault with
a deadly weapon.

A minimum term of 18 months.

Max term of 72 months

in the Nevada Department
of Corrections.

And the 33 year sentence

reflecting the 33
million dollars

in the civil verdict
was no coincidence.

That concludes
today's sentencing.

And that was the 5th quarter.

They got back at O.J.
For winning our case.

Thank you,
thank you very much.

He didn't kidnap anybody.

Nobody was moved or
tortured or hit and beat up.

There wasn't none of that.

He got played by the book.

In the legal term of the law,
when he said

nobody leaves this room,
that is kidnapping.

That wasn't about justice.

They wanted the guy that
got away with murder

in 1994.

Here's the thing about it.

The guns are the thing about it.

They put guns to people's heads.

Someone could have died there.

The legal elements of
the case were there.

Did the jury hammer him
because of the murder trial?

Wouldn't surprise me.

That is...

That is white justice
in America, man.

Listen, I think
anybody who is happy

that any human being is
gonna be stuck in a cage

is a horrible person.

This is not a happy
day for anybody.

We're thrilled.

It's kind of a
bittersweet moment,

knowing that that SOB
is gonna be in jail

for a very long time.

And he's gonna be where he belongs,

with others of his kind.

And he can complain there.

Look, I voted no then.

And he's a stupid
ass to go out there

and get into some more shit.


But deep in my heart,

I done what I felt was
right at that time.

(chanting "Free O.J.")

Back then, we took
care of our own.

Now, you're on your own, Joe.

A lot of people gave a lot.

(chanting "we want justice")

But ultimately, it
was all a waste.

He wasn't deserving.

My main concern is
the black man's image

and the beating that it's taken.

O.J. Reached the
top of the mountain

and when he fell off,

it should not reflect
on black people at all.

It should reflect on O.J.

He had everything.

He had adoration.

Men loved him, women loved him,
children loved him.

That's the way it should be.

I mean, how many people
go through life like that?

When you're running
the ball, it's joy.

This is the natural state of things.

For somebody like O.J. Simpson,
who came from where he came,

to have accomplished
what he accomplished,

to have that brutal
fall from grace.

It's really an American tragedy.

I don't know how
I ended up here.

I just don't know
how I ended up here.

I thought I lived a great life.

I thought I treated
everybody well.

I went out of my way to
make everybody comfortable

and happy.

I felt the goodness in myself

and the goodness I gave people.

I don't feel any goodness
in myself right now.

I feel empty.

I feel totally empty.

I felt I have some last thing
I gotta say to somebody.

Please remember me as the Juice.

Please remember
me as a good guy.


(somber music)