Il ne suffit pas que Dieu soit avec les pauvres (1978) - full transcript

it's not enough for God
to be with the poor

on some reflections and experiences
of the Egyptian architect Hassan Fathi

Among so-called contemporary things

very little merits to endure into old age.

the least expensive architecture,
economically speaking

isn't the the architecture
that is poorest in art

each material has its own specific demands

mud, wood

marble, stone

cannot be classified
along an esthetic hierarchy

one must begin by building
with local materials



and not stubbornly insist
on importing them

otherwise one would only enrich
the globally dominant players.

songs: Sayd Darwich,
Cheikh Imam, Hassan Abouleila

sung by Leila Chahid,
Hadi Guella

Change is implicit, it's a sign of life;
and if it's not for the better, it's for the worse,

and each plan must be executed for the better.

The poor countries depend on the rich countries.

Thus, for their development,
they find themselves torn between occidental modernism
and a modernity, dominated by national values,

based on a scientific spirit
and a real trust in the people's potential.

Egypt, Arab country of the "Third World",
illustrates very well this contradiction.

With her prestigious heritage of more than 5000 years of civilization
and her actual political situation. HASSAN FATHI

In the domain of architecture and urbanism,
Hassan FATHI, Arab Egyptian architect, born with the century,
has been able to define clearly this contradiction.

Of the two roads,
he chose the road of Arab Modernity.

This is the traditional Fatimid Cairo
extending before you



horizontally, with minarets jutting,

aspiring towards the Divine

and the citys joins Heaven
with the appeal "God is great"

on the other hand, over there,
the modern city

congested and confused,

which joins Heaven with what?

with offices,

dining rooms

and bathrooms.

Hassan Fathi,
who are you?

I'm an architect

who has lost all points of reference
in his Arab society

I'm an Arab architect

who has lost all points of reference
in his Arab society

who has lost his "Arabness"

and I'm in the process of

searching anew in architecture and urbanism,

to find again, to regain
my lost "Arabness"

Hassan Fathi,

how did you arrive at architecture?

When I think back

it now seems to have been a predestination

because when I left my secondary school

I thought of entering the Agricultural School

I used to love the countryside,
and I still do

and I chose the Agricultural School

thinking I'd live in the country,
next to nature

nothing that shocks,
everything beautiful, God's creations

which are all beautiful,
a landscape, the mountains,

the trees, the clouds, everything

in perfect harmony

thank you

Thank you, Osmane.

but

unfortunately or not,

I wasn't admitted into the school
because there was an entry examn

and so I enrolled
at the Polytechnic School

and there I chose architecture

You're living in an Arab house right now.
Have you lived in other houses besides, in Cairo?

I've lived in different houses
in Cairo and surroundings.

But I admit that I didn't feel much at ease in those houses,
as I do in this Arab house.

Because here the void expresses itself,
the void isn't just an empty space.

A habitation is nothing else
but an ensemble of empty volumes, separated by walls.

The empty spaces of an Arab house
correspond to man's desires.

They harmonize with the shapes
and spaces to which man aspires.

That's why I feel totally at ease here,
much more than in any other house.

In an Arab house each room is given
its appropriate dimensions: height, length, width etc.

because this is a question of a certain rythmn.

When I enter a room and find that its height
doesn't correspond with its width, say,

when the ceiling is lower,
as we can see in many of today's houses,

each time I look at it
I have the impulse to push it up,
because it seems to fall down on my head.

I push it up, it comes down again,
I push it up, and I'm suffering,

psychologically speaking,
without knowing, unconsciously.

The Arab house is introvert.

And as soon as you enter an Arab house,
with its angular entrance

one is entirely cut off from the city.

(Sayed Darwish) I fell in love,

and now I am done for.

Do not blame one who mourns.

I fell in love,

and now I am done for.

Do not blame one who mourns.

The 3 functions of the window

1. to let the light enter

then the air,
and finally, to be able to look outside

those functions,
in Europe they're combined in the window.

Whereas in the Arab house,

the three functions
are separate from each other

ventilation, the movement of air,
this is obtained with the malqaf (wind-catcher)

and also with the mashrabiya.

Our love has no equal, even in dreams.

Thermic comfort depends also on the movement of air

the more you can have of an air draught inside
the better

but when you have great apertures

and if you allow hot air to enter,

and you'll also get the reverberation

the reflection from the other buildings

which let the heat enter

so the solution is
to put up the mashrabiya,

even over the entire façade of the room

you'll have augmented the ventilated surface

and you have wood, an organic fibre

has a hydrometric value
and absorbs humidity

the air passes first

and will be de-hymidified

and the absorption of the air's humidity

at the same time,
it re-evaporates

with the movement of air, it works against the heat

also, it tames the light

it distributes the luminosity around
in such a way

so that the contrast between dark and light
isn't very great.

The resolved this problem in an extraordinary fashion in the House of Suhaymi

where you have a mashrabiya
covering the entire façade of the room

looking out onto the garden

Our love has no equal, even in dreams.

I love her, even when we quarrel.

concerning thermic comfort
with movement of air

Ever since antiquity we have examples
of capturing air, the malqafs

in the tomb of Nebamun

there's a drawing of Nebamun's house
that has a double malqaf

one directed towards North
from where the wind blows

and the other one to evacuate it

this system has been employed by everybody

with the malqaf you have today a practical problem

because the surface of a malqaf is minimal

compared to the surface of the entire house
which obstructs the wind for another building

so you have things buried
like the minaret here

and that works much better

but an interesting thing:
you'll find the surface of the malqaf

differs in different countries

here we have it big,
in Egypt

because the air temperature at the higher levels
is much less than close to the ground

it might differ by 10 degrees

keeping its freshness

but in Iraq the air temperature,
even at higher levels, is immense

you might have 45° C

and if you have a malqaf to get some air
you're about to let in hot air, and that isn't a good idea

so they make their malqafs very small,
very narrow

like an organic exchange

take, for instance, the Africans

the temperature is about 37° C

and the humidity is great

it's like their body temperature,
that's why they have large nostrils

whereas in Europe,
if you let air enter

to the same extent as in Africa,
you'll get bronchitis at once

because the air is minus 2° C

and that's why people in Europe
have smaller nostrils

Our love has no equal,

most Arab houses, aristocratic and bourgeois,
degrade themselves

only a few have been restored
and are open to the public, as museums

admired by the tourists,
they are ignored by the people

the inhabitant of the quarter
walks past these constructions

without even suspecting their existence.

but it's here where he could discover
the riches of his heritage

1889: opening of the Suez Canal

From then on the Khedive Ismail inaugurates
the era of hegemony of the Occident

Cairo becomes a copy of a European city

The British Embassy

Hotel Parliament

From then on, national power
is seconded by colonial power

a French mansion

in classical style

Neo-Renaissance,
Italian style

a villa of the Garden City

the Post Office

there is one point one must mention:
when people turned towards the West

we became Europeanized

and when they drew up the new plan of Cairo

at the beginning of the century

they drew the plan of the new Cairo
as if it were a plan for the underground, the métro

and the city which continues to spread out towards the West

whereas it should normally
spread out towards the North and the East

it's as if somebody had a stiff neck at the time

aspects of modern Cairo

the Rihani troupe:
Mignonne doesn't play with fire

today you have air condition

air condition demands very narrow rooms

very low ceilings

and when it's out of order
one suffocates inside

modern buildings, like asphalt roads

they are covered with tarmac,
that's part of the car industry

Arab enterprises: Osman Ahmad Osman

today one builds on purpose rooms with low ceilings

and narrow rooms

because architecture has joined ranks
with the air condition industry

because we must, with our monetary system,
pay for everything, even for air

they make us pay for water,
they make us pay for air

not everybody has the money to pay,

but the untouchables,
economically speaking untouchables,

who suffer with every new invention

and it's the rich minorities who benefit

and the masses suffer all the more

and the gap between the rich and the poor
is about to widen, instead of closing in

I've never seen

a single building

designed and constructed by a European in the Orient

which can be considered accomplished, in the Orient

not a single one

and the same thing applies for us too,
if I were asked to construct a building in Switzerland

my rythm is very different
from the rythm of a Swiss

one must understand those things

those gentlemen, they are called for:

Le Corbusier for Chandigarh, Louis Kahn for Dacca

so there's no longer the tradition
which conserves the esthetic values

and the functional values

today, that is lost

one must replace it by discrimination,
and know-how

but that know-how is denied,
even to our local architects

because they've cut themselves off
from their tradition

and the knowledge they might have
through their heritage

they depend solely on the Occident

where they went to university

Two modern Cairos

a modern Cairo which is rich

a modern Cairo which is poor

# the flowers of the garden have grown

# they give off different perfumes

# yet, the plants grow from a single soil

# and the sown grains are watered with the same water

# I'm astonished

# I'm astonished

# I'm astonished

# I'm astonished

# I'm astonished

# I'm astonished how two branches

# born of the same shoot

# one of them crawls down and buries itself

# and the other one raises itself
and spreads out

the people themselves
decide on their sacred space

the Mosque of Ibn Tulun

masterpiece of equilibrum and rythm

and rich in symbols

that mosque dating from the 9th century
is still intact

and yet, it's abandoned

# God, the living

# the supporter

# the creator

# the all-powerful

# the all-knowing

# the just

# the merciful

the Mosque of Sayyid Al-Husseyin, contemporary

imitation of neo-gothic
and build on the public square

here, the bad architectural taste
annihilates the sacred function of the place

the faithful arrive in masses
and aren't bothered by esthetics

# call to prayer

# God is greatest

# there is only one God

# the unique, the great, the living

# may God grant the praying man's wishes

# God is greatest

# God is greatest

# in the name of God,
the lenient, the merciful,

# praised be God,
master of the resurrection

# who loves the Prophet
and has faith

# who is generous towards the weak

# blessed are they who love the Prophet

# blessed are they
who are generous towards the weak

only 15 piastres, brother

the most beautiful gifts
from the Prophet's quarter

10 piastres, little one

attention!

3 piastres, that's enough

# support us,
oh messenger from God

# oh our lord Husseyin

aspects of the old city of Cairo

the dilapidated aspect of the old Cairo
doesn't date from today

it's due to a secular mentality
which abhorrs restoration

that mentality prepares the terrain
for the HLM (cheap rent apartment buildings)

response of the inhabitants

my child is dead

stung by beasts

people have fallen

they have brought down the mosque
upon our heads

- the mosque?
- yes, this is a mosque

Here we sit, abandoned

and it's freezing outside

we have babies

but we're crying out loud in the desert

there are many empty buildings,
but we must live in the streets

- and the Imam?
- he keeps silent. he's afraid.

we are numerous

- what did you do?
- we forced in the entrance door

if he had opposed us
we would have struck him down.

- why did you chose this mosque?
- it's in our quarter

each occupies his own mosque.
one doesn't invade elsewhere the mosque of others

Any mosque or medrese in your quarter:

occupy them!

Yes. the Socialist Union told us so.

Newspapers and magazines
took our photographs

when we did our washing

we've been living here for a year now

- How many are you?
- 22 families

# why, oh violet,
do you marvel?

# since you're a sad flower

the village installing itself on the city's roofs

the logical answer of the peasant
who came to look for work in a city of 7 million inhabitants

which can only give shelter for 3 million

a shelter is as necessary to man
as a shell is to an egg

thus, the wild occupation of space
becomes a vital necessity

one settles down where one can

one requsitions

and one moves house,
even if necessary, to the cemetry, to live there

here, in the city of the dead

it is here, among the rich mausoleums of the Sultans

and the modest tombs of the common man

that a population of several tens of thousands finds refuge

these are the inhabitants of the necropolis

thrown at the desert's doorstep

In Egypt, there's always behind the cemetery
the desert

one has always pretended
that Egypt was a gift from the Nile

one must rectify this:

Egypt is a gift from the peasant of the Nile

he's the principal driving engine of the country

guardian of the traditions,
he also holds the secret of the thousand-year heritage

the rural architecture

Since ages, the Niles has served as means of communication
between the Lower and Upper Egypt

the products of industry,
one must aquire them with money

one enters the monetary system

but money doesn't exist

with most of the people

the annual per-capita income in the Third World
varies between 20 et 30 pounds

and those are the people
we want to serve

and for whom we want to construct homes,
they are your clients, Mister Architect

if those gentlemen ...

would continue to live in the ancient system

they would be able to help each other

but they've cut themselves off from the benefices
of the traditional co-operative system

and at the same time they have no money
and I call them the untouchables, economically speaking

this is what we must bear in mind

and the architect, and the engineer
must subjugate technology and modern sciences

in the service of those poor devils

anyway, they aren't at all
customers for the products of industry

and the secret of the success
of the traditional co-operative system is this:

one man cannot construct a house

but 100 men can easily construct 100 houses

an example: there's a village called Jennah
at the Kharga Oasis

that village was submerged by moving sands.
the mayor of that villages showed me

his buried village
and the new village they built themselves

They all went to live in the new village

except a single house
where an old man lived who cherished his house,
he didn't want to leave with the others

even though half of his house was submerged,
he was left with two rooms

so I asked him:
"Mr. Mayor, what can one do,
that poor man will be buried with his two rooms soon"

"don't worry, we've already built him his own house over here"

when there's the tradition of co-operation

even without the guy asking for it
they took him into consideration

but if ever they introduced the monetary system

nobody would have looked him in the face

those poor peasants,
what they built for themselves

doesn't that have a monetary value?

they have satisfied all their needs

in their habitations,
without circulation a penny among them

what are we doing to ourselves, I wonder

when one has this potential
but doen't use it

and for the Third World, believe me,
there is no hope at all

except to go back

and modernize the traditional co-operative system

and to revive it today

under non-traditional conditions
which rule the contemporary society

daybreak on the Nile

life is resumed
the same as 5000 years ago

the child at his birth
already finds this water wheel

How old are you?

I? 50 ... 55 ...,
say, 60 years old

and this wheel?

Before my father was born,
it was already here.

- the same wood
- yes, the same

- what material
- sycamore

- who's the owner of the wheel?
- the collective

5. 6. 7. 8. associates:
every associate has a share

according to the surface he cultivates.

to solve a problem of habitation,
you need architects

who know how to design

using local materials
which the people can obtain without spending money

and then, one must use artisans, masons

carpenters, the other professions

who can handle those materials

and you need engineers too

who can assure us

the safety in the empoy of those materials
by subjecting them to the rules of modern science

like soil mechanics

which can give us all the qualities
physical and chemical

and mechanical

of the earth and raw mud

what each poor man could obtain

since the earth

it's beneath everybody's feet

we know the thermic qualities of all the materials

you know that the raw brick
is the best isolator

for two reasons:
the transfer of heat in those materials is 0,34

meaning, if you have on the surface here
10 kalories, a unit of 0,34 would traverse

whereas with cement,
the conductivity is 0,9

the thickness is minimal.

you augment the conductivity
from the outside to the inside by 9

you see, God is on the side of the poor

an 8th century Fatimide cemetery

the raw bricks still withstands

Upper Egypt

the ecological coherence
is the result of the peasant's experience

it's the same everywhere

water precedes cultivation

which precedes habitation

which precedes the cemetery

which precedes the desert

which opens toward the sky

never has the peasant disturbed that harmony

today, the intervention of the city architect

destroys that coherence

water

cultivation

habitation

the cemetary

the desert

the sky

Gharb Assouan
village constructed by the people:
coherence

# when the sun will have darkened

# when the stars will be tarnished

# when the mountains will move

# when the female camels full with milk
will be let lose

# when the beasts of prey will gather in groups

# when the seas will boil over

# when the souls will couple

Gharb Assouan,
village of Lower Nubia

extending over 12 km along the Nile

fresh shadow precedes the habitation

to the question asked of the population

we were answered

this house was built 35 years ago.
It's very well preserved.

on the other hand, the reinforced concrete buildings
which have cost thousands of Egyptian pounds

became cracked,
and have many deficiencies

so our brick is better than concrete

the rooms which we call "Kaboui"

are always open towards the South

and closed against the North

with just small windows for ventilation

the "mandaras", oriented towards the North

have apertures that are 6-7 m high

and are as wide as a door

those are the summer rooms.
totally open

the village of Abou Riche

open towards the North,
closed against the South

a courtyard leading to another courtyard

leading to the public square

one is lost
between the inside and the outside

at the end of the holidays
the new school year begins

the children go to school,
happy and content

friends reunite.
every pupil greets his friends

they tell each other
what they did in the holidays

and the school day begins

we line up

and the flag is raised.
we salute it and enter our classrooms

the school is the only concrete building
in the village

the start of the new school year,
lining up in the schoolyard,
saluting the flag

would it be wrong to say that concrete
brings along an entire mental structure

Gourna: experience of Hassan Fathi
intervention of the architect in the service of the poor

our problem with the habitation of the poor
it isn't the walls,

a wall, everyone can build it with raw bricks,
with anything, earth

with stones, anything.

but it's the roofing.
because roofing demands materials which can bear tensions,

that can bend with pressure

like wood, iron etc.

but those materials
can only be acquired with money today

but the ancients have solved the problem

once can make the ceiling, the roof,
not with those costly materials,

but give it resistance

by the geometrical form,
and not by the materials

because there are curves which are called "enchainette"

if you hold a chain like this

the rings pull on each other
and work entirely by tension

if you reverse it,
put the thing on top, instead of suspending it,
if can manage

each element will work in compression

you just change the tension to compression

the raw brick can take compression,
but it cannot take tension

and thus the ancients have solved,
since antiquity, we have examples since the 4th dynasty

the Colossi of Memnon

the port of ancient Thebes
separates the two villages of Gourna

the old Gourna covers 10 km
of the important archeological sites

The Valley of the Kings
and the Valley of the Queens

the new Gourna

built by Hassan Fathi in 1948

on arable land,
to re-settle the inhabitants of the old Gourna

the village has been flooded three times
by men unknown

all the same, it resisted

at the moment, it's fully inhabited

for its construction
Hassan Fathi has employed all his techniques and ideas

using local materials

he has undertaken to modernize the traditional

to satisfy the real needs of the peasants

without asking for help from outside

the mosque of Gharb Aswan.

the one of old Gourna

the one of new Gourna

it's in tradition
that the architect looks for his models

in repetition
he invents

it's the curse of the Pharaos

which mysteriously caused the inhabited buildings to burst

Hassan Fathi explains:

if I haven't succeeded at Gourna
it's because it was a very special project

it wasn't for a rural society
that needed habitation

those people were living on looting and raiding

and in each house
where there were one to three tombs

Pharaonic

what Hassan Fatih considers as failure

is simply the intervention of the peasant inhabitant

who readjusted according to his needs
his inhabited space

the local materials used
permitted adjustments at leisure

Thank God, I've been able to, after all,
despite my practical failures

but I've obtained results
almost certain

certain about many directions, many things

for example, the formation of masons

one master-builder has formed 46 boys

who used to beg in the street

and they became master-builders within 3 months

and once they realized ...
today a mason earns 2-4 pounds a day

they've trained among themselves,
and they've become 80

I'm Hassan Mohamad, mason

We used to work with Hassan Fathi
in the model village

We started out as apprentices
of the master-builders.

then we learned the trade
and we became master-builders

the masons of Nubia and Mahamid
have taught me the trade

While building with them

Later I've built on my own

exactly like any other mason

Those men, like father like son,
used to deal with antiques

They excavated
and found all sorts of things

but today, surveillance is very strict

there are search-lights,
they're very precise

there are patrols at night

who arrest every prowler

and shoot at those
who are likely to excavate

So the old methods are finished

today, they all want to live here

the visitors say "what a marvel"

the houses and the village are beautiful

there's plenty of water,
whereas over there, they had neither water nor even a door

# oh man of grapes

# my shirt comes from Suez
my underpants come from Suez

# Attention, my stomach,
oh man of grapes

# oh seller of grapes

# my stomach

# don't make me abort
when I'm with child

# his name will be Abdel Samed.
He'll go to school

These habitations are comfortable

but their only fault is
that most of them are very dark

the inhabitants are farmers

they're dealing with breeding

Well, the house consists of a living room
and of bedrooms

there's no place for the animals

at night, people are forced
to leave the animals outside

Hassan Fathi,
could he be the ideal architect for the poor peasants?

anyway, his experience has taught us
that it's the architect who has most to learn from the peasant,
and not vice-versa

in his architectural research
Hassan Fathi has striven to liberate the Egyptian peasant

from a dependance on materials and a technique

foreign to his environment

to his culture
and to his rythm of living

he has thus laboured in the sense
of an autonomy of the Egyptian peasant

and for the safe-guarding of his heritage

but the autonomy of the peasant,
isn't it itself the tributary for the countryside's dependance of the city

or the periphery's to the centre?

Kom-Ombo
the intervention of the exterior: incoherence

Arab enterprises
Osman A. Osman

in '33, Nubia was inundated for the 2nd time

the government gave as compensation for damages

to the Nubians only 750 pounds

all together

and they rebuilt in a single year

the entire region

I think 43 villages

in a single year

but each new village has its cachet,
its character

and each house is more beautiful than its neighbour

never has anything equal been done

it was a miracle

in our century,
but nobody noticed it

we built half of those houses

in '65

for 28 million pounds

under the so-called modern system

using reinforced concrete,
and those houses aren't habitable at all

Kom-Ombo: several villages built at a distance from the Nile

for the population
chased from Lower Nubia

because of the inondation
caused by construction of the Assouan hydro-dam in 1956

an inhabitant explains:

we came here, to this place
known only by God

our ancestors didn't live here,

our children won't live here

we don't know where we are

there's vermin,
sickness

nothing compared to the harvest,
the produce in our old place

a farm used to cultivate
60 different kinds of grain

all sorts of harvests

here, there's nothing but the wind
sweeping over us

now we all go to the hospital

we get injections

in our old place,
there were neither injections nor doctors

our doctor, that was a root
we chewed

in our old place,
our houses were very beautiful

and the wind agreeable

we could build our houses as we liked

the chicken run on one side,
the kitchen on another

the salon separate

the bedrooms separate

here, we're squeezed into three rooms,
like in a hen-house

as to the property,
I myself have been a land owner

since 14 years,
2 plots of land

they told us: "for one plot over there
you'll get one plot here"

"for one house over there,
you'll get one house here"

we came here and nothing!
neither plots of land, nor houses

it was just charlatanism

God shall judge them

This here is stone, true

but the houses in our old place
were made of bricks

half of stone,
half of solid bricks

the roof shaped like a vault

like the cuppola of a mausoleum

- forgive the comparison -

so when it rained
nothing bad could happen:

the water just ran down the walls

whereas here, the rain water stagnates
and stays on the roof

before, we could sleep peacefully

now life has become dreadful

- conclusion?
- what conclusion? there isn't one!

as long as you can move your tongue,
you'll have speech

a bird settled on a rock in the sea

a wave came,
it flew up, then it settled down again

You. Bedouin.

perpetual migrator

equip yourself

before you start out for the great desert

with a drop of water.

Muzaffar Al-Nawab
[Iraqi poet, born 1934]

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