Hacking the Afterlife (2021) Movie Script

[MUSIC - "PACHELBEL'S CANON"]

>> Is it possible to hack

the afterlife for answers

to our deepest

questions about life?

There are three methods

in this documentary--

hypnotherapy, mediumship,

and asking questions

of those who've had a

near-death experience.

Having filmed 100 people

talking about the afterlife,

with or without hypnosis,

the results are the same.

"Hacking the Afterlife."

>> The show will

begin in 30 seconds.

[TRUMPETING]

>> Welcome to the

Past Lives Pavilion.

>> Ah.

>> Oh my god.

>> In a moment, you will be

asked to place your right hand

on the plate next to you.

An image of yourself in a

former life will soon appear.

Since we want to be fair

and accommodate everyone,

you will be limited to

five past lives only.

Thank you.

>> What the hell is this?

>> Elizabeth, time

for supper, darling.

>> Be there in a moment, mumsie.

>> What the hell's

going on here?

>> Yeaaaah.

>> [SCREAMS].

>> [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH].

[ROARING]

>> Come on then.

To the castle.

[NEIGHING]

It's incredible.

>> Who were you?

>> I'm Prince valiant.

>> Really.

>> Yeah.

Who are you?

>> Dinner.

>> Part One--

Hacking the Afterlife

with Hypnotherapy.

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>> Follow along with this one,

if you will please, panel.

I, Virginia Tighe, Underwent

a unique experiment

some 15 years ago.

While in a hypnotic trance,

I recreated intimate details

of the life of a young

girl who was born in County

Cork, Ireland, in 1798.

Fantastic as it may seem, I felt

that I had lived another life.

I remembered my family in

Ireland, the school I attended,

the specific grocery

store where I traded,

and the prayer I used

to recite before meals.

I even was able to draw

an accurate map of where

I lived 150 years ago.

And when I talked, I spoke

with a genuine Irish brogue

using old-fashioned words

no longer common today.

When my experiences were

written up in newspapers,

there erupted a

storm of controversy.

People called the story a hoax.

So an interested

newspaper reporter

decided to go to Ireland

and check it out.

He astounded the world by

finding concrete evidence that

corroborated dozens

of details that I

had outlined in my trance.

You may remember my other name--

Bridey Murphy.

>> 18-something.

1806.

>> 1806.

>> The people who come

to our Institute to learn

the techniques that we have

to teach with regard to life

between lives under deep

hypnosis are looking to gain

a new insight as to the

purpose of our existence here.

Who am I?

Where do I come from?

Why am I here?

Where am I going?

These age-old questions are

now being answered, I think,

in many ways through

the kind of hypnosis

that we use to reach

into the inner mind.

>> And mind's made up, so

let's find out who it is.

Which one in truth

is Virginia Tighe?

Will the real Virginia

Tighe please stand up.

>> I got her.

[APPLAUSE]

>> People were very

interested in this.

And they knew that

hypnosis had been used.

And I would get calls, well,

since you practice hypnosis,

may I come to you for

a past life regression.

And in the '50s, I simply told

them, no, I'm very traditional.

I'm not involved with that kind

of new age sort of thinking.

I was very naive then really.

>> In a body in another

life, so here we go.

Number one, number

one, be there now.

Move out of the tunnel

and be there now.

>> Um-hmm.

Here I am.

I'm some place in Europe.

Seems like London.

>> Is it day time or night time?

>> It's daytime.

And I have on--

you know the hat?

Like a black hat--

a big black hat and black

suit like Snidely Whiplash.

And it's like I'm moving

along the London streets.

I'm slinking around the

London streets like a cat.

>> You're shielding it with

your arms under your garments?

>> I'm holding it.

Yeah, I'm kind of

pushing it into my jacket

so nobody will see it.

>> Back in 1980, Dr. Brian Weiss

was using hypnotherapy with

a patient named Catherine

to discover the roots of her

paralyzing phobias.

In his book "Many

Lives, Many Masters,"

he writes that during

one of their sessions,

Catherine regressed back to

a time before she was born.

>> She said, I don't

know what this is,

but I could already

see it was intense.

It was cathartic.

It was emotional.

And I didn't know why--

>> Because when

you're hypnotized,

you remember everything

you're saying.

>> Yes.

Yeah, It's not something

that you forget.

You remember it.

And--

>> So she probably couldn't

believe it herself.

>> For her, it was

easier than for me--

>> To believe it.

>> --because it was so--

yeah, to believe it--

it was so intense for her.

She was experiencing

it with emotions,

and visually, and

sounds, and other

senses that it became

easier over the weeks that

followed for her to

change her worldview.

But for me, I needed

more because I

was such a skeptic, so

left brain, so academic.

And I started already explaining

it away like, oh, maybe she

saw movies, or read

about this, or maybe it's

the collective unconscious

that the psychoanalyst Carl

Jung wrote about or

something else going on.

But when she came

back in the next week,

her symptoms were disappearing.

>> Using repetition is

great for inducing hypnosis.

So anything pet statements

or part of your induction,

it's OK to emphasize

and repeat it

over and over two or

three times and then

bring it up again later.

>> Can you describe the scene

for me and tell me about

the environment you

find yourself in?

>> Where I popped into was

me standing on a stage.

It's like the Hollywood Bowl.

And I'm looking out at the

vast seating that's there.

So if you can picture and

imagine the Hollywood Bowl

where we would normally

be in the audience looking

at the stage watching an artist,

it's actually reversed for me.

I'm actually the

artist looking out.

And in the first

several sections

are all of my spirit

guides, guardian angels,

those part of my life.

And then in the

audience behind that

are just people that

are interested in me

and listening to

what I have to say.

You know, like the bowl,

it's got a semicircle.

>> Right.

Is there something

in particular,

some issue being discussed?

What's that all about?

>> I'm actually presenting what

my next life is going to be,

much like you would do if

you were defending a doctoral

thesis.

And all the

professors are there.

And they're asking you questions

like "Why'd you choose this?

What's the purpose?

What kind of

studying did you do?

What were the tests?"

You know, those types

of inquiry questions.

And I'm busy answering

those questions

about why I chose

this particular body

in this lifetime,

and my parents,

and what I'm going to be doing.

>> Interesting.

So while you're discussing

this life to come,

how do you feel about it?

Are you eager to

get started or doe

you have some reluctance,

or even trepidation,

or perhaps you have

mixed feelings?

>> No, none of that.

Very confident, feel

very comfortable.

I've done my research.

I've done my studying.

I know exactly what I

want and what this life

is going to do for me.

And so all the

questions I'm handling

with ease, and with comfort,

and eloquent in my responses

and details when I need to be.

>> So in a few

moments at my count,

we're going to move backward

in time to your most recent

previous lifetime or to

some other past lifetime,

incarnation, that's of most

value for us to explore now.

Already shifting.

Just choose one, day

time or night time.

>> It's day time.

>> Day time.

>> Are you inside or outside?

>> I'm outside.

>> Outside.

>> Standing on the street.

>> On the street.

And I'm a girl.

>> Oh, OK.

And about what's your age?

What's the number that

pops into your head

as you stand on

the street there?

>> Nine or 10.

>> Oh, so you're a young girl.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> OK.

And what's the year?

When you're standing

here in this--

>> 19-- 1943.

>> '43.

[TRUMPETING MUSIC]

>> Germany occupies Copenhagen.

Hitler's troops disembarking

from transports in the harbor

carry out the Fuhrer's latest

act of aggression-- the invasion

of peaceful and innocent

Denmark.

The Nazis, who are pleased

to describe themselves

as protectors, succeeded

in carrying out

this plan of General

Keitel's like clockwork.

The whole country was in

their hands within 24 hours.

>> All right.

All right, then, this

is what I want to do.

Without pain or

discomfort, I want

us to move to the very last

day of your life as Helga.

You'll not yet

have crossed over.

You don't have to feel

any pain or discomfort.

You can rise above the scene

or situation, just to observe.

But I want it to be the very

last day of your life as Helga.

So on the count of

three, you'll be there.

1, 2, and 3.

>> I'm outside.

>> Outside.

And so how old are

you on this day?

>> 10.

>> All right, then.

>> I'm standing.

>> Standing.

What happens to cause

your life to end?

>> It was like I'm in a

camp, a concentration camp.

>> Oh, OK.

So how long have you

been in the camp?

>> Not very long.

>> Let's move forward to

the moment after death.

So where are you in

relation to your body now?

Are you above it

or off to the side?

>> I'm floating above it.

>> Floating above it.

OK.

Could I ask you a few questions?

>> Sure.

>> OK.

So what happened?

How did you die?

>> I was shot.

>> Shot.

OK.

How do feel about

leaving that life?

>> Yeah, it's kind

of-- it's sad.

>> Yeah.

>> So brief, so short.

>> Yeah.

Do you know the name of

this place, this camp where

you ended your life?

>> Dachau.

>> OK.

>> Dachau, factory of horrors.

Mere mention one of the oldest

of the Nazi prison camps.

It is known that from

1941-1944, up to 30,000 people

were entombed here at one time.

And 30,000 were present.

>> There's just so many bodies.

>> Hmm.

>> There's a lot of bodies.

>> Yeah.

>> It's very hard to move.

>> It's very hard to move?

>> Um-hmm.

>> Hmm.

OK.

>> Hypnotherapy and

Parkinson's, my colleague,

a successful screenwriter, has

Parkinson's and volunteered

to see if she could learn about

the source of her affliction

via hypnotherapy.

She was teaching a class at

USC film school when we met.

>> I'm very nervous

because I feel like I--

>> Do me a favor.

Before you say that

again would you just

ask that question

once more, Scott?

>> I forgot what

the question was.

>> What do you want?

Or just repeat that-- what

am I looking for today?

>> What are you looking for

in this experience here.

>> Is this the mic over here?

>> Yeah.

>> I should just leave it.

Do you want me to wear it?

>> Just leave it is fine.

>> OK.

I'm looking for answers, because

I feel like I know I know

the answers already, but I feel

like I feel sort of ambushed

off my path, you know,

with this Parkinson's.

And it's like it's kicked

me out of being human.

And I don't feel human.

And I want to get

back to feeling

like I know what I'm doing.

>> Closed now.

Eyes closed.

Relaxing, releasing.

Letting go.

Beautiful.

I've got some questions.

And a lot have to do

with this condition

that she's been afflicted with.

David, would you address

these questions for us?

>> Yes.

>> She wants to know

am I on my path?

>> She's on her

path in many ways.

She has spiritual resources

she doesn't even know she has.

She's not tapped into them yet.

>> How can she do that?

>> By filling her heart with

compassion for herself mainly.

Forgive herself for things

that she's done in the past.

She doesn't have to

live in secret anymore.

She can be out loud and bold

and push past smallness.

That's why we presented her

with this challenge of getting

small, this condition.

>> Tell me more.

>> She needs to push past

it by tuning in spiritually

and realizing who she is.

>> I feel like I'm

being pulled away--

>> Yeah.

>> --off to the right.

>> As you're being pulled

away off to the right there.

>> I don't see any people.

It's like I'm flying

over the city.

>> Hmm.

Great.

So you can kind of look and

see the earth below you?

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Yeah.

>> And I see a place with like

white pillars or something.

And like a very, very blue sky

up against the white pillars.

And there's a like a name.

>> Oh, good.

Tell me the name.

>> It's something like "Longda."

>> How does he

communicate to you?

>> Just welcome, like coming

back, like welcome back,

or welcome back.

>> Welcome back.

How do you feel about

this soul's performance

in a lifetime as Helga, Longda?

What about Helga?

>> Helga dark, dark.

>> Helga was dark?

>> The whole--

>> The whole life time?

>> Life dark.

>> Yeah.

So why did Randol

choose the lifetime

as Helga, this short, dark life?

>> To see the darkness.

>> To see in darkness?

What's the value in

seeing the darkness

for a soul like Randol?

>> There's so much light,

you forget the dark.

>> What's the purpose in

having challenges such as this?

How does this help us develop?

>> Patience and understanding.

It's to learn-- it's

about trust and patience.

>> Can we take him to a place

to cleanse him of this darkness

and the doubt?

>> The soul--

>> The river.

>> The soul river.

>> Let's go there.

So do you like jump in

or do you sit there?

>> We will walk in together.

>> Who are you with?

>> The elders.

>> Very good.

>> The water is to forget.

>> OK.

>> The water is to wash clean.

>> Is someone speaking to you?

>> No, I'm just--

I am aware that burned my soul.

That time burned my soul.

>> OK.

>> And I never knew the

darkness could be so dark.

>> Can this condition

be reversed--

arrested or reversed?

>> Yes.

She's got to look at this

as a spiritual crisis,

not as a physical

crisis, and not

be apologetic for what she

does, or what she says,

or how she moves--

how she moves in the world.

>> So what precipitated

this illness in her?

>> Secretiveness.

>> So tell us once more how

can she heal and overcome this

condition?

>> She needs to

reconnect to the light,

to everything that's light, and

everything that's good about

her and strong about her.

>> Why is it that Howard's been

brought to this session today?

What is it that he really needs

to get from this experience?

>> This was part of the

plan that you created.

No one wrote this for you.

You wrote it for yourself.

It reminds me of when

I came into this body.

It's that "wow,"

[LAUGHS] the knowing.

This is the flow

of energy endless.

This is where you

came from to know.

>> To know where you came from?

>> Yeah, in this

life and all that.

>> Number four, back into the

body gracefully now, gently.

Now when you're ready,

number five, number five,

eyes open now.

Back in the here and now.

>> That was fun.

That was like a wild ride.

That was really fun.

>> My friend opted to do brain

surgery recommended by her

doctors for her Parkinson's.

It helped end her

shaking, but robbed her

of her ability to speak.

She's in rehab trying

to gain her voice back.

>> And what I found interesting

and what captured me was that

over thousands of cases was a

consistency of the reporting.

It didn't matter whether a

client came to me with a,

you know, deep, religious belief

system or a lack of belief

in anything or any philosophical

persuasion in between.

Once we had them

in deep hypnosis,

they all told me

the same things.

>> In they REM

state of hypnosis,

you will hear every

sound around you.

And it will sound louder

than it usually does.

This is a state of

being stoned where

auditory stuff is more vivid.

So you'll say, I

can't be hypnotized

because I'm hearing

everything very acutely.

That doesn't mean

you're not hypnotized.

It means you're in a REM state.

Also you may feel that

your eyelids feel scratchy

and you want to open your eyes.

You'll say, I'm not hypnotized.

I want to open my eyes.

Well you're in

rapid eye movement

and that makes your

eyelids feel scratchy.

That's why you want

to open your eyes.

So if your eyelids do

feel scratchy, just say,

oh, that's rapid eye movement.

Open your eyes for a moment

and close them again.

The other thing is do not

take this too seriously.

If you say to yourself

I'm going to wait

until a true answer about

my real past life comes in,

I'm not going to take this thing

whatever my head's making up,

you're in trouble,

because as far as I know,

there is no true past life,

I mean, in that sense.

I'm going to ask questions.

And a answer will

pop into your mind.

And you just go with

the answer, that's all.

It's coming from

your right brain.

Now your left brain will say--

I'll say, look at

your feet, what

are you wearing on your feet?

And your left brain is going to

see, well, boots will flash in.

And you left brain said

they were boots in the 1500s

or was that's the 1600s?

Maybe I better change

it and make it slippers.

And this is your

left brain censoring

and trying to make it

correct historically.

And this, of course, is a mess

because what we're trying to do

is just get these flashes

from the right brain.

So your left brain will go along

on the trip and let it observe.

And it can comment and

say, oh, stupid you.

You always think this.

Or it's going to

say you made it up.

You can't write this down

because you just made it up.

And am I hypnotized?

I'm not hypnotized.

I can hear that person

snoring next to me.

Why doesn't that

person stop snoring?

All these things are going

to go on in your mind.

That's all right, because

we need your left brain

there to remember it.

But it's the right

brain kind of flashing

that will begin to happen.

And after this

first trip, you'll

begin to recognize whether your

answer is coming immediately

in the form of an impression

or whether it's something

you're thinking out logically.

So those are the instructions.

Do not take it seriously.

We are playing at this.

Do not be worried about

rapid eye movement or eyes

feeling scratchy.

And it's perfectly all right to

shift and change your posture.

You do not need to

lie on your back

if it makes you uncomfortable.

You can turn if your

back starts hurting you.

You're not going to lose

god if you breathe out

of the wrong nostril.

OK?

>> We get flashbacks that break

through that amnesiac block

in different ways

with different people.

I'm talking, now,

about folks who

have had no LBL experiences.

They're just ordinary people.

They don't even maybe

know about our work.

OK.

Suddenly they're in a classroom

in their dreams or in a flash

and they can't figure out--

that's a strange image.

Where's that coming from?

>> Part Two-- Hacking the

Afterlife through Mediumship.

After Michael Newton passed

away, he stopped by to chat

with medium Jennifer Shaffer.

We are in a noisy restaurant.

I had not brought a camera,

so I had to use a cell phone.

So our question to

Michael was you just

showed up spontaneously at

our lunch in Manhattan Beach.

You're taking notes on

how to make it easier

to communicate from over there

to here or from over here

to there?

>> From where I am.

If you're taking

notes from there

as to be able to communicate

better to people over there.

>> All right, very good.

Michael, let me ask you,

why did you show up today?

Did you show up to tell us that?

>> It's like noetic science,

but from the other side.

>> OK, noetic science

on the other side.

All right, very good.

>> Everybody can

speak to other side.

>> OK.

>> And that no one does not not

have the capabilities to do so.

>> Excellent.

All right.

That's very good.

I will quote-- can I quote you?

>> And that everyone

should start.

They should start

bringing them in closer.

He showed me like both the

dimensions-- of this gazillion.

He showed me like both

the dimensions of it

being like at a dinner

table where people

are translucent to each other.

>> Very good.

>> But he wanted to

mention the other,

but yet you still have the

energies to call people in.

>> I asked if he had a

formula to help people speak

to their loved ones

no longer here.

Michael said, say their name,

ask them a question I asked,

but how do we know

the answers are real?

He said when you get

a reply before you

can ask the question, you'll

know you have a connection.

Luana Anders in "Dementia 13"

directed by her friend Francis

Ford Coppola.

>> John, that will is no good.

Your mother is still alive.

We can talk her

into changing it.

>> We met in film school at USC.

A writing instructor assigned

us the same screenplay

to breakdown.

We were together for

20 years after meeting.

>> You're rowing too hard.

Let me row.

>> You're concerned

about me, Louise.

Is it my heart?

>> Luana was in over 30 feature

films and 300 TV episodes.

She began conducting a

class from the "Flipside"

to help those over

there communicate

via Jennifer Shaffer.

>> John.

John!

>> Awake!

>> One of her most iconic

roles is playing the girlfriend

of Peter Fonda in "Easy Rider."

Ironically, her first

boyfriend was Dennis Hopper.

[MUSIC PLAYING]

I was with Luana when she

passed and started hearing

from her via dreams and

visitations starting the day

before she passed.

As noted in "Flipside,"

after she passed in 1996,

she started showing

up in dreams, visions,

and to members of my family.

I figured, if she can come here,

then why can't I visit her?

Her frequent visits to

me from the flipside

became the basis for the

book and the film "Flipside--

A Tourist's Guide on How

to Navigate the Afterlife."

[APPLAUSE]

>> And the Oscar goes to Jack's

Nicholson in "As Good As It

Gets."

[APPLAUSE]

>> Jack Nicholson has been

nominated for 11 Academy

Awards.

This is his third win.

>> And I'd like to thank--

I'd like to thank everybody here

tonight for looking so good.

[LAUGHTER]

I'd like to dedicate this to

Miles Davis, Robert Mitchum,

Shorty Smith, Joe Vitrano,

Ray Cramer, Rupert Crosse, JT

Walsh, and Luana Anders.

They're not here anymore,

but they're in my heart.

And I thank you very much.

>> The other night

just by chance,

I happened to catch a

psychic medium on television,

John Edwards.

And he took a phone call.

And a woman said can you

be in touch with my mother?

And he looked down.

And he concentrated

for a while and he

said, did she die of

congestive heart failure?

And the phone caller

said, yes, she did.

He thought again

for a long moment.

And he said toward

the end of her life,

did you give her a

small Christmas tree?

And the woman, again,

said, yes, yes.

And then she told the story

of why she gave her mother

the small Christmas tree.

Now people looking at

this could think, well,

that must be proof that

there is life after death.

And then other people could

look at that same thing

and say this is a scam.

It's impossible.

It's a trick.

It's an arranged phone call.

It's something other than

what it appears to be.

I have friends that are

shocked that I haven't made up

my mind on what I

believe, that I am still

open to the possibility

that there is a possibility

that we are dealing with

some communication here.

We are the only species who know

that our time as human beings

will come to an end.

And this impacts

on our lives more

than we probably

realize that it does.

So tonight, for the

third time on this show,

the most celebrated

psychic medium in America,

James Van Praagh--

Hi, James, nice

to see you again.

>> Hi, Charles.

Good to see you again.

>> Thank you.

And we're going to

chat a little while.

And we have an

audience here tonight.

And we will take a phone

call for James Van Praagh.

>> Richard from Los

Angeles, go ahead please.

>> Hi, James.

You're amazing.

>> Thank you, Richard.

>> But much better

than a sitcom.

I'm calling about my friend

Luana who passed away

a couple of years ago.

>> Luano, this is a male?

>> Luana-- L-U-A-N-A.

>> Luana, Luana.

OK.

Hold on.

Well first of all, let me say,

what I'm picking up is you.

I'm tuning in to

you very strong.

And you have a lot of

creative energy yourself.

And you're a person who

does several things at once.

Now hold on.

Was this girl ever talk

to you about your career?

>> Oh sure.

>> Because she laughs a lot.

And she has a great

sense of humor.

And I would know

her by her laughter,

like a certain way of

laughing with this woman.

All right?

And she's talking to

me about your career.

And she's laughing with me here.

She's saying you

change all the time.

You know?

This thing and then you're one

thing and then another thing.

And she said he could

never make up his mind.

[LAUGHING]

>> That's great.

Well, it's true.

>> You understand?

And said you need

to get yourself

your feet on the floor.

You need to get to-- you need

to get yourself grounded,

and steady, and focused.

And she said she tried to focus

with you, tried getting focus.

Now did she have trouble

with her weight before--

when she was alive at all?

>> No, not really so much

her weight, but she was thin.

>> She was thin.

I feel like she was over

concerned about that

or she was-- she thought

about that a lot.

OK?

Was also-- she's talking to me

also about going on a trip or--

I don't know what this means.

With you going away on a

trip and talking about this.

>> OK.

>> OK?

>> I just recently

came back from Europe.

So--

>> OK.

>> Is that what

she's talking about?

>> Well, she said she

went on a trip with you.

So this is what she said to me.

And that's exactly

how she said it.

I don't know if she meant that.

She said I went

on a trip with him

and she had a good

time, a good time.

She likes to dance.

>> Does she?

>> Yes, she does.

And she talks about

dancing here with you.

>> Oh, great.

>> She's also talking

to me about you--

stop having to worry--

worrying about your hair.

And she said he's been

worrying about his hair lately.

>> Huh.

>> OK.

Do you understand that?

>> It's just getting grayer.

>> OK, but she said he was

worried about it and he wanted

to do something with his hair

and changed it in some way

recently.

>> Do you understand that?

>> Yes, I do.

>> OK.

And she's giggling about this.

She said you're

going to change that.

Now, there are some

great photographs of--

everyone has

photographs-- but she's

telling me that you were

very concerned about having

a particular photograph after

she died of you together.

>> OK.

Yes.

>> And it gets very

emotional with her.

I also want to ask you,

did you put this photograph

on a refrigerator or was

there one on the refrigerator?

>> Absolutely.

>> Thank you, because she gets

very emotional when she talks

about that.

And she said she loves that.

She loves that picture.

And it almost describes

the two of you together,

your relationship, your

friendship, all right?

>> Hmm.

>> One more thing--

she's talking about

a collection of-- it

sounds weird-- either shot

glasses, or drinking glasses,

or mugs.

>> Martini glasses.

Do you collect these?

>> Yes, I do.

>> OK.

And she's talking about that

and she's laughing her head off.

>> [LAUGHING]

>> Can she say,

James, how she passed?

>> She's telling me that this

happened very quickly with her

passing.

And I don't know, but she

said it happened very fast.

It's funny, but she

said, I want to think

of the good times, not the bad.

>> Hmm.

>> OK.

>> So I don't know, but

she's saying it was--

she's going on about it

wasn't good, it wasn't good,

it wasn't good.

>> How is she?

Where is she?

>> Hold on.

Let me just keep on getting

more information for you,

because I want--

was she killed at all?

>> No.

>> She wasn't killed.

But I feel like for some reason

she dies and she's surprised.

Isn't that weird.

I get that she's surprised.

Hold on.

OK.

She's telling me to let

you know and she's going on

about how happy she is now.

She's happier now.

She didn't expect to die young.

She died young.

And she didn't expect that.

And she said she's right

behind you right now.

>> [LAUGHING].

>> And when you hear-- when

you feel the hairs on the back

of your neck stand up, it's her.

Also did she have a cat?

>> Who?

>> Did Luana, this

girl, have a cat?

>> Yes, she did.

>> Uh-huh.

And were you concerned

about her cat if she died?

>> Yes.

OK.

And she's saying you wanted

to put it in a good place.

You wanted to keep

it for a little while

and did something with

this cat, she's telling me.

>> Yes, yes, very

important for her.

>> OK.

And she wants you to

take care of her kitty.

She's going on about that.

>> OK.

We'll go to a break

and we'll be right back

with James Van Praagh.

>> I just want to say a

couple of things first.

It's interesting

that how spirits

communicate very differently.

Like that last thing

with the Martini glasses,

now she just showed me

glasses and drinking.

And it's interesting that

that's how they communicate.

And also with the

death condition,

sometimes they don't want to

go back to the memory of that,

so they won't reveal it.

So I just want to

share that with you.

>> And I want to share with

you that I knew that deceased

person as well, and that was

very good and very accurate.

>> Talking to

Harry Dean Stanton.

Harry Dean was a friend of

Luana's, a friend of Bill

Paxton, and a friend of mine.

We spent a few nights

playing guitar,

hanging out at

Dan Tana's talking

about life and the afterlife.

He was adamant there was

none, that life ends in death.

After making countless

movies, from "Cool Hand Luke"

to "Pretty in Pink," Harry

passed away at age 91.

Here's a sampling

of his iconic roles.

>> And Guy phrased it to realize

you're nothing is wisdom,

to realize you're everything

is love, or pure intelligence,

pure awareness.

And that ultimately that

can be defined in words.

It's beyond words beyond.

It's beyond consciousness.

Ultimately, it's nothing.

It's not important.

And I don't say that

in a negative sense.

Ultimately, it's not important.

It's all going to go.

This is a fucking

dream, man, all of it.

And it's not being

cynical, or nihilistic,

or you can put all

kind of labels on it,

but it's just what

is and period.

I was 14 years old, I think.

I was alone in my aunt's house.

And I got terrified all at once.

I started thinking there

was nothing out there.

It was oblivion.

I was terrified at 14,

or 13 or 14 years old.

I had to get on the

phone and call somebody.

I think that was the beginning--

>> Why were you convinced

there was no-- why--

why did you have this

panic that there was--

why did you feel so

panicked by this emptiness?

>> There was no answer to it.

It just-- it just happened.

>> After Harry passed, I thought

it would be fun to interview

him through Jennifer.

A week before his

memorial service,

Jennifer and I

took up the topic.

Well let's ask--

because we can, let's

ask Luana how her

friends who just

showed up this past

week, Harry Dean.

>> Oh and don't forget

Hugh, he knew Hugh.

>> He named Hugh, OK.

Well, let's focus on Harry

Dean a little more because--

>> I know about Harry Dean.

Let me find out.

Let me see.

He didn't accept it at first.

>> OK, very good.

>> Which then, your

belief system--

it's whatever you

believe is not wrong,

it's just that's just the way.

If you believe that

there's nothing--

if you believe that

there's nothing that

is going to be there, right?

Then that's your belief.

He tried to quantify

it the best way he can.

Oh, this is a

consciousness exaggeration.

There was something that

he tried to quantify

or tried to quantify

what he was seeing

and it was there with medicine

and the time that he was--

the time that he was

leaving his body.

>> So he was assuming that

the medicine was creating

hallucinations.

That's what he thought.

>> Yes.

>> OK.

>> Absolutely.

He was trying to document it.

Did he document things

or was he known for that?

Like wanting proof

or did he study it?

>> Yes.

Yeah, he was-- that

was his life was--

is he was almost like a

philosopher in that way.

People who knew him and talked

to him, it was like very strong

with him.

>> It felt like a lot of

people around his bed.

So I don't know if it was

etherically or his family.

It felt like he was very loved.

>> He was very loved.

>> So love, she said.

So loved.

>> And so when he crossed over,

she said he denied it at first

or resisted at first?

What was that like?

>> He tried to understand it,

like he does with everything.

So he tried to--

again, the word "quantify"

comes into mind.

>> Yeah, yeah.

>> He tried to assume that

he was just like either stuck

in his memory kind of thing.

>> And so who broke through?

>> She did.

>> I believe that.

So how did she break through?

What did you do, Lu?

>> Held his hand.

>> Held this hand.

Told him it was safe.

>> Told him he was safe.

>> Told him it was safe.

It would be a soft landing.

>> Soft landing.

>> Now you and Harry Dean

went on a trip together.

>> Yes, they did to Santa

Barbara or somewhere fun?

>> They went north

on a road trip.

>> That's what she showed me.

She showed me a car.

And she showed me

like a hat, like it's

something with a convertible.

>> Convertible.

Be specific, please.

So convertible, hat.

>> And the care

meant everything.

>> The car meant everything.

Whose car was it?

Was it Harry's?

>> No, it doesn't look--

he had part ownership.

It felt like it was a studio's

car, something like that.

>> OK.

That's possible.

But there was another

person in the car.

I'm going to see him on Monday.

>> Was it her brother?

>> Like a brother?

>> Like a brother,

they grew up together.

I feel like they

went to high school,

like they grew up together.

>> Career together.

>> Career together, same thing.

>> Anything you two want me

to tell Fred when I see him

on Monday?

>> Just hearts.

She just blew like

hearts and kisses.

>> Hearts and kisses.

OK.

That's not enough for Fred.

>> I know.

Tell Fred he's dehydrated.

There's something

with his headaches.

>> OK.

>> He has headaches.

And he needs to hydrate more.

>> Right.

>> Drink more water.

All right.

That's very good.

That's something.

And so when they

got to Monterey,

there was something

going on, an event.

>> There was a festival

that was going on.

>> What kind of a festival?

>> She says free

spirit festival.

>> OK.

>> But the festival

that was going on--

she's showing me movie screens,

so there was something that was

going--they had to like sit.

And then she's showing

me screens that you

take pictures in front of.

They had to be a part of.

And it had to do with

advertising, whatever it was.

>> Were there people performing?

>> They just did it for fun.

It felt like a--

in our day, like a

bunch of bands playing,

like a reggae thing.

>> Yeah, yeah.

>> Something like that.

>> Yeah.

>> But it was like

the first of its kind.

>> Yes.

>> One of the first,

like "Lollapalooza"

but way back then.

>> Do you remember any of

the acts that you saw perform

there?

>> I just got shown Prince,

but I don't think he was there.

So I-- can't imagine.

>> But somebody like Prince.

>> Somebody as big as that.

>> Somebody in that

kind of vein of Prince.

>> Yes, like Michael.

>> OK.

OK.

But--

>> It wasn't.

I know that.

>> I know but Prince

was a guy who played--

>> Guitar.

>> OK.

>> So was it Jimi Hendrix.

>> Correct.

>> OK.

So she showed me Jimi

Hendrix and that's

where I got the

reggae part of it.

>> Now--

>> There is an afterlife.

>> Is there-- oh, is that

what you want me to tell Fred?

>> Thank you, Luana.

>> OK.

That's very--

>> Fred knows it.

Fred was much more mature,

he says, than he was.

>> All right.

Can I put an exclamation

point in that?

>> Go easy on him.

Remember the baby.

>> OK.

The girl who had

the baby that died?

OK.

>> Or miscarried or

something along those lines.

>> All right.

That's OK.

I don't know if I would

be able to reach her,

because I don't know her.

>> He's showing me Google.

So I don't know if

there's something

that can be on the internet.

>> OK.

All right.

I'll look that up, Harry.

I'll do that.

Now there's a mutual

friend that we have.

If you look around this

room, there's another person

that Harry Dean knows.

>> Well Bill Paxton, right?

>> Thank you.

>> See, well Bill showed up.

So I just wanted to

make sure that was him.

>> OK.

That's correct.

And so now do you

know consciously

why they're together?

>> Showing me like a

mentor or something.

>> Very good.

OK.

Very good.

>> A mentor and I think

Bill was really young or one

or the other was very young.

And it had to do something

when they were young.

>> What was it like for Harry to

see Bill or Bill to see Harry?

>> Oh, they had a drink.

They were just-- they

were like what the fuck,

I can't believe

this is happening.

>> Very good.

Well the both of you-- the both

of you get the chance to sort

of--

>> But which part in "Titanic--"

he was part of "Titanic."

Because he showed me "Titanic."

>> Yeah, Bill was

part of "Titanic."

So Lu, talking to Harry,

Harry is there one thing

he wants to let us know?

There is an afterlife,

exclamation point.

>> No.

There's more than an afterlife.

>> So there is an

afterlife comma,

there's more than an afterlife.

>> There's a present life

that creates an afterlife.

>> What does that mean, Harry?

Or is that Lu?

>> He's showing me

different levels.

>> Yeah?

>> He said because

he didn't believe it,

he kept on spinning.

He wasted a lot of time here

mentally thinking about it,

because he couldn't--

he couldn't escape it.

So he's like on the bottom

of the treadmill on it.

If you just believe,

then it will take you--

why you're here, you're able to

be more present versus fighting

it.

>> You don't know who

Harry Dean is, do you?

>> I have no fucking

idea who he is.

I thought he was a sausage.

>> OK.

>> Sorry.

>> He's not Jimmy Dean.

But Bill knows who he is

and Luana knows who he is.

And Luana knows--

>> Bill was very--

Bill was just like

this to Harry.

>> Kimberly Babcock is a medium

and a minister from Ohio.

She was visiting Los

Angeles when I asked

to meet her for the first time.

Unfortunately, it was in

another noisy restaurant.

In the interview with

Kimberly Babcock,

I asked if we could speak

to my old friend Bill who

passed a few weeks prior.

I never say his full name.

She has no idea who he is,

but everything she says

is accurate.

>> Was he unable to say

goodbye before you passed?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah, must have been

quick or no closure.

That's it.

I have-- I have closure.

I am at peace.

I am-- he knows that he

didn't get to say goodbye.

There's no closure.

Sounds like this they still have

that wound, because there was

no closure before he passed.

Or he must not have been

able to say goodbye,

like he keeps going like this,

which means didn't get to say

goodbye before he passed.

>> Bill Paxton has died.

Celebrities reacted quickly

to the loss on Twitter.

"Apollo 13" co-star Tom

Hanks sweetly wrote, "Bill

was simply a wonderful man."

>> There was room on

the door for Jack.

>> Bill was known for starring

in iconic blockbuster films

including "Titanic," "Aliens,"

"Apollo 13," and "Twister."

>> What does he

look like to you?

>> I actually don't

see him at all.

He just makes me do

that with my hand.

>> OK.

You feel a sensation or

a presence about you?

>> Um-hmm.

Did he have heart issues, chest?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

All the energy goes into

the heart and the chest

to validate his presence.

And he makes me feel like

his passing was quick,

like he didn't get

to say goodbye,

but he's at peace with

the quickness of it.

And I have closure with that.

And I want they--

them to have closure.

They need to have closure.

>> So really, the only way

we can give them closure is

for you to tell them something--

>> Who?

>> --that they don't know the

answer to-- or we don't know

the answer.

Is there anything

you can tell them

that's new or more information?

>> All I heard-- when you were

kind of talking was I'm sorry.

Would you know if

his dad was there,

if his dad was

passed before he did?

>> Yes, he did.

>> Because I see dad

like written in the air.

So it's dad.

>> In interviews with

two other mediums,

Jennifer Shaffer and Raylene

Yuanez both said his father was

there to greet him.

When we asked Bill if

that was a happy reunion,

he said, yes and no, because

that meant one thing--

I must have died if

I'm seeing my dad.

>> Interesting.

>> Well, Billy, I just wanted

to tell you I want to leave this

door open for you.

I knew I was

interviewing Kim today

and I thought, well, this would

be a fun chance to just say hi.

And you can come to wherever

you need to, if you need to.

>> He says he feels like

he would be a smart aleck.

>> He would.

>> He says we always have

the chance to say hi.

You don't need her.

That's what he's saying.

>> Well, no, I know that.

I'm just saying--

>> He's just smart aleck.

Did he smoke?

>> Probably.

>> He's got like a--

it must be a cigar, because it

feels bigger than a cigarette.

He feels like he

knows no stranger,

like that kind of person.

>> So what was the biggest thing

you've learned in passing over?

>> There is no time.

There is no death, he says.

And he didn't realize how much

fear he had, until he died.

I'll just say it verbatim.

Like I'll speak as if I'm him.

He says, I'll say this.

I realize the fear that

I carried within myself

planted fear in others.

And for that, I shed remorse.

Meaning I know and

acknowledge my remorse

and I have to heal in that way.

Because he's showing like

the collateral damage he did.

So for example-- this is what

he's saying to give an example.

Like we walk around, like,

I'm so worried about my heart.

I'm so worried about--

and other people think, oh

gosh, I should be worried, too.

And so it created

collateral damage

because we then

believe in our fears

and it created this

collateral damage he said.

He didn't realize

how much he did that.

He's funny.

I liked his personality.

He's one of those

people that he's

going to give you a little bit

just to make you want more.

When you said is

there anything you

want me to tell your friends,

or family, or whatever,

he literally said I can fly.

And he's playing like

(SINGING) I can fly, I can fly.

You know?

>> Great.

>> But he's laughing, because

it's almost like I know they

want more but this is

what I'll give them--

I can fly.

>> Can you tell

Kim your last name?

>> Why?

That's what he did.

>> That's what he did.

OK.

I know he loves--

>> I said are you sure?

And he's like

checking his pockets--

nope, he says.

>> Come on, Billy, come one.

>> Let me tell you the conscious

information that I know--

is your name with an

'e' at the end of Towne.

And he just told me this today.

And then I also

know because he said

he worked with you that

you must be in the industry

or you were in the industry.

>> Um-hmm.

>> And so that's what I do know.

I don't know anything else.

>> Should we'd say if our

friend Hira is available?

>> I don't know how

you're going to do that.

>> Well, this is up to Jennifer.

Now Luana, Eddie,

you know who Hira is.

>> OK.

How do you spell Hira?

>> H-I-R-A.

>> He wouldn't know that.

I have a picture of Hira.

You do?

>> Oh, that would be helpful.

>> You have it handy?

>> That's how I look at cases.

Hira, I couldn't find Hira.

I'm like, Hira, where are you?

I was looking for a person.

Awesome.

OK, give me a second.

Was there something wrong with

Hira's chest, that usually--

>> He had a heart attack.

>> OK.

So that's his chest area.

Right here.

OK.

Luana is holding on to Hira.

>> OK, Luana's--

>> Luana's holding onto her.

>> Luana's holding onto Hira.

>> >> Yeah.

>> Him.

>> She knew him.

>> Well I-- she's just

showing me playing with him.

So--

>> So Lu, we want

to talk to Hira.

We want to ask him questions.

>> OK.

Hira's saying that you

have felt him when he--

after he passed.

You felt like an energy.

I don't know if it was in

the bed or next to you.

Did you ever feel that

thinking it was him?

That was him.

And so he's showing me like

you getting startled thinking

that you felt that.

And he's showing

me that was him.

Like he comes across

like a person,

like somebody that you cherish.

Was he-- there's

something about 12.

>> He died at the age of 12.

>> He did.

>> OK, thank you

Hira, appreciate that.

>> He said, that but

when they show me 12,

sometimes it means

December so I wasn't sure.

I felt like you

took him everywhere.

>> I did.

>> You took him everywhere.

He says that you were the

best owner in the world.

Everybody wanted to

come back and be Hira.

Like you put him first more

than anything else or any human.

>> At that time in my

life, I certainly did.

>> OK.

>> That's a good thing to ask.

>> So when you're able

to, a Lotus position--

they keep showing me you in

a Lotus position, just calm.

And then just use your heart.

That's where they're

saying open your heart

and just think of them.

It's like a calling card.

>> Those are three of the most

important people in my life--

Hira, Eddie, and Lulu.

>> Hira's being

well taken care of.

>> Since then Hira has helped

speak to other animals.

Hira reports, "Animals are

aware of how incarnation works

but humans are not."

Robert had been a

skeptic, but when

asked his thoughts

since said, "Martinus--"

his nickname for me--

"when you know, you know."

>> Part Three--

Hacking the Afterlife via

Accessing Near Death Events.

>> An incredible installment in

our series She's Got Faith with

the question what

happens when we die?

Stephanie Arnold says she

knows the answer, because she

was dead for 37 seconds.

She flatlined while giving

birth to her second child.

And a glimpse of what

happens after death

forever changed her life.

>> And the thing was is that

I had had a baby before.

I'd had a c-section before.

So it wasn't the

fear of the unknown.

So I told everybody, I said

not only am I going to die.

I'm going to need

a hysterectomy.

I'm going to hemorrhage.

These organs are

going to combine.

I'm going to be put

under general anesthesia.

The baby's going to be fine.

And I'm going to be dead

on the operating table.

So I saw who hit the

button for the code.

I saw that my anesthesiologist

was down by my feet.

I saw the nurse that jumped

on my chest to give me CPR.

I saw what was happening down

the hall with my other child

in the labor and delivery room.

My husband wasn't

present at the time,

but I saw what he was wearing

when he got off the plane.

I had heard my doctor say

over and over again this

can't be happening,

this can't be happening.

And I said to her later,

I said, did you say that?

And she said I did,

but in my head.

>> Are you seeing yourself

translucent or are you just

seeing the energetic visual?

Like is it just light or is

it actually you and light

or a combination of the two?

>> You know I don't see

as much of the torso.

I don't see feet.

I see more of like

from waist up.

>> OK.

>> And I see a dress,

like just a long dress.

So I can't tell where their--

>> What color is that dress?

>> It's all white.

>> OK.

Can we bring Steph's guide here?

It might be you, Ida.

But could we bring

her guide here?

Is it a male, or a

female, neither, or both?

What comes to mind?

Or a light?

>> Male.

>> A male.

>> It's not--

>> I'm sorry, say

again-- male what?

>> It's not-- it's not her.

She's not my guide.

>> Sam, I'm going to ask

you to do us a huge favor.

Would you walk our friend

Steph in to visit her council.

>> We're standing outside,

walking on a path.

And there's a door

in the distance,

but it's a sidewalk

path, like an arch.

>> OK.

And is there a building

in the distance?

The door-- attached to the door?

>> The door is attached

to a building, yeah.

>> What does it look like?

Is it white, black, green?

>> It's white-- it's

white, but a little gray.

But there's no markings on it.

>> What does it

look like inside?

What does it looked like?

>> You know, it feels like

the room is wide open.

>> David Bennett is a former

science officer who drowned

for 12 minutes.

His NDE was studied

by scientists

at the University

of Virginia and was

featured in Morgan

Freeman's "Story of God."

>> Just about then this falling

bridge above our heads and it

just came crashing

down on top of us.

And it folded the Zodiac in half

like a peanut butter sandwich.

And I was catapulted

into the sea.

And I'm hanging on to this

old World War II Mae West life

jacket.

You know the big orange pillows?

>> Yeah.

>> And I'm hanging

on to that just--

and I'm a commercial diver.

I'm trained as a commercial

diver, so I'm not freaking out.

I'm used to being in the water.

I've logged thousands

of hours underwater.

>> Right.

>> And so I'm just

holding my breath.

And I have faith

that this life vest

is going to bring me up to

the surface sometime soon.

You reach a point where the

oxygen deprivation creates

a euphoria.

And you believe you can breathe.

And you just breathe

in saltwater.

And it's not a

pleasant experience.

But it's a burning.

And it happens very quickly.

And then, boom, you're gone.

There's something in the

brain that allows you

to escape that severe agony.

Then I saw this light appear.

And it wasn't-- it was

just off in the distance.

And I was drawn to it, just

absolutely drawn to it.

And I felt like I

was moving toward it.

But I can't tell if it

was coming toward me,

I was going toward it.

It just felt like

movement to me.

And it wasn't a tunnel

or anything like that.

It was just light.

And as I got closer, and

closer, and closer, it grew.

It grew and, you know,

and it was infinite.

And as I got closer,

it looked like millions

upon millions of

fragments of light.

And they were all moving,

and dancing, and coalescing

together and stuff like that.

>> Is there anything in nature

that would fit the description?

>> Actually, yeah, have you ever

seen a school of like sardines

or anchovies, how

they work together?

And sometimes when

they're near the surface,

they'll move in

unison to the light.

And they'll refract the light

multiple colors and things

like that just, you know?

Well, that's kind of like what

the fragments appeared to me.

They were of a like

mind moving in unison

and coming together, and

separating, and coming

together, and doing--

it was beautiful.

And I was in awe.

I was in absolute gaga

awe of this light.

And I-- and I kept--

I was coming closer and closer.

>> It's kind of stacked.

OK.

Let's go to the-- let's

go to the first row

of that stacked group.

How many people are

in the first row?

>> Six.

Very good.

How are they arrayed?

Are they in a line?

Are they sitting or standing?

Are they in a circle,

a semicircle, or what?

>> They're in a line.

>> OK.

Priscilla, thank you for

allowing us to chat with you.

We appreciate it.

First question of the day,

how is our friend Steph doing?

>> She's going to be fine.

So that's a little different

than what our pal Sam said,

isn't it?

Or what Ida said, struggling.

>> Uh-hmm.

>> So Priscilla, would you

put that in our friend's mind?

That not only is she doing OK,

but she's doing pretty good,

isn't she?

>> Yes.

>> She's on the path

she's supposed to be on.

Am I-- correct me if I'm wrong.

>> Yes, she is.

>> By the way Priscilla,

have you heard of me?

>> Yes.

>> How so and put

that in Steph's mind?

>> Ah, through a dog.

>> So I'm the annoying guy who

goes around and ask questions.

So through a dog.

I love that!

So which dog?

>> I see like--

it looks like a German

shepherd, but it's--

>> Oh my gosh, is it is

it through my dog, Sam?

How do you know Sam, Priscilla?

Or do you?

>> I don't know.

>> But don't judge it.

>> Yeah, I don't--

I just see her playing

fetch with him.

>> OK.

Very good.

Let's not judge it.

That's hilarious.

I love it.

Priscilla, let me ask

you a direct question.

Is this my dog Sam or is this

some other German shepherd?

>> That's how we know each

other is through the dog.

>> OK.

Great.

And is it my dog though?

The dog that I know is Sam?

OK, very good.

>> I believe it is.

>> OK.

Well she can tell you

no, or maybe, or yes.

What does she say?

Thumbs up.

>> She's smiling.

>> She's saying that you

don't want to believe,

but I'm telling you.

>> Oh, I totally--

I totally-- I talked to

Sam for the first time

about a month ago.

So I totally get

what she's saying.

>> And then three fragments

broke away and they came.

And they--

>> Three out of--

>> Infinite.

Out of infinite.

>> Billions and trillions.

>> Yeah.

And they came toward me and

they conveyed this welcome home.

And one thing I

forgot to say was

as I was getting

closer to this light,

I just kept feeling

these waves of love

that felt like it was embracing

me in this warm blanket.

And I was so comfortable

with this love.

Just it just was such a warm

embrace that when these three--

and I talk to them

as light beings,

because they were

fragments of light

that were heading toward

me and welcoming me home.

And it's still

tough to talk about.

It's been over 30

years and I'm still

getting choked up because

it was a feeling of home

like I've never,

ever felt before.

>> Here's an example of

hacking the afterlife by asking

questions about a vivid dream.

I was invited by Susan

Pinsky to her podcast

where I suggested an experiment

with her husband Dr. Drew.

And so you mentioned

earlier that there was a--

I think it was a

disconcerting memory?

>> Yeah, I had what I thought

was a horrible dream when I was

very young, like under

two, under three.

He had where your irises

are and your pupils,

he had red crosses.

>> OK.

Very cool.

>> Oh.

>> All right.

>> Ooh, right?

>> In life or in this memory?

>> In this memory.

I really don't-- I'm just free

associating as you suggested.

>> Whose home is this?

Is this the Burgermeister's?

>> Yes.

>> OK.

Do me a favor Burgermeister,

put into Drew's mind

your last name.

>> Schmitz.

>> OK, thank you.

And what year?

Just pop a year--

>> 1900?

Literally 1900 or 1890 or--

>> Right in right there.

>> Whoever is

Drew's spirit guide,

join this little crowd that

we're talking to here--

the light.

It's a-- thank you.

OK.

So can I ask this

light to come forward

or you get closer to it?

>> Sure.

>> OK.

>> And then eventually about

a dozen of these fragments

of lights were

there greeting me.

And we started to-- there was

no conveyance of come on, let's

go, we got to do something.

It was more of just

an understanding

we've got to go over here.

And we went to this

area that was very--

to me it felt spherical.

And we started to

reexperience my life.

And we experienced

it in such a way,

it wasn't just me

experiencing it.

They were experiencing

it as well.

And they were very excited.

>> All 12?

>> All 12.

We were all

experiencing my life.

And not just from

my point of view,

but from every

interaction I'd ever

had from the people that

I'd interacted with.

I got to see my interactions

and how I hurt other people

and things like that.

But I also got to see that

when I did open up, and I did

have experiences of just being

open-hearted and giving freely

of my love and my

heart how that created

some of the biggest ripples.

The things that I

took so much pride in,

like becoming the chief engineer

of Aloha and things like that,

didn't have such big ripples.

What really had

the bigger ripples

was when I would help someone

without any look for reward

or anything.

And I got to really experience

it in this life review

and see how that planted

a seed in my being

that when we do

things for each other,

that we're expanding

our connections.

We're expanding that positive

energy, that sort of thing,

you know?

And I didn't know that

through most of my life,

because I had a lot of

suffering and stuff,

until I experienced this

where I did it myself,

of my own free will,

open-hearted without any look

for reward or

anything like that.

I got to experience

this woman's joy.

Well I had one of those--

I call it deja vu on steroids--

type of moments

where I experienced

part of that future life

review in the hospital when

the doctor came in and was

telling me you've got cancer.

Only he didn't use the C word.

You have tumors that have

done this, and this, and this.

And so they were

explaining it to me.

When he was doing

it, it was like I

knew before he

walked in the door

this-- because I'd

never met this--

he was an intern at the

hospital that I never knew.

He came in.

And I recognized

him immediately.

And I recognized

the surroundings,

everything around me.

And I knew exactly what

he was going to say.

And I sat there.

I let him squirm a

little bit, because he

was-- because I was an assistant

director there at the hospital.

So I mean I was well

known and stuff.

And here's this new intern about

to give me the death sentence,

right?

And he's hemming and hawing.

And I'm sitting there thinking,

I remember this moment

from my life review.

And I know exactly

what he's going to say.

And I know I'm going to regret

it in my next life review,

but I'm going to let

him squirm a little bit.

[LAUGHS] Because it

really didn't bother me

that he was going to say that.

Because I saw that I was

going to have cancer,

but, like you said, I also saw

I was going to live beyond it.

So there was a certainty

that this was just

a part of that purpose.

And this was something

that I had to experience.

I had to go through the cancer

so that I could experience

the suffering, so I could

experience the pain, so that I

could experience all of that.

And they told me

they weren't going

to treat it, all that stuff.

And I said, no, we are going

to treat it, because I'm

going to survive this.

And they all

immediately thought--

you know Elizabeth

Kubler Ross, and--

they all thought I was in

denial, the first stage

of grief, right?

But I had already gone

right to acceptance,

because I accepted that, yeah,

this is just a stage, something

that I have to go through.

This is one of my challenges,

one of my purposes in life.

And that if I

follow my guidance,

I'm going to survive

this without a doubt.

And so I was very certain

right from day one.

Everybody else in my life

was certain I was dying,

but I was certain I was living

and this was an opportunity

to live life and experience

life and to squeeze

all the juice out of life.

>> Now do me a favor.

And this energy that's right

in front of you, put your hand

inside of it-- your

imaginary hand,

just slip it right

into this energy.

What does that feel like?

>> Peace.

>> All right, very good.

Thank you.

Warmth and peace.

All right.

So I'm going to ask this

light, if the light could

transform into an entity so

that we can have a conversation.

Male or female?

>> I guess male?

>> I want you to take

Drew by the hand.

And I want you to walk

him into his council.

>> Council?

>> Drew does not know what

I'm talking about, but, Mort,

you know what I'm talking about.

>> Huh.

>> So would you do me a favor,

walk him towards his council.

Are we inside or outside?

Are we in a room, are we ou--

>> In a room.

>> We're in a room.

OK, very good.

And now are they--

how are they arrayed?

How many people are

there in this room?

>> I can't really tell.

>> But roughly from--

>> 12.

Thank you.

>> I'm having trouble

seeing individuals.

>> That's OK.

Are they-- just what's

your impression?

>> Impression like Native

Americans are here.

>> Very good.

Are they all male?

Are they female?

Are they a combo?

>> Mix.

>> All right.

Let's go to the--

>> Mostly male.

>> --first person

on the far left.

What's this person look like?

>> Like a female pilgrim.

>> Very good.

And I want you to

go up close to her.

>> OK.

>> She's one of the

only women in there.

>> Let's give her a name.

Let's ask--

>> Marie.

>> Marie, thank you.

And how is she dressed?

>> [LAUGHS].

Like a--

>> Like a pilgrim?

Brown.

I'm just saying what colors.

>> Like dark with a white apron

and with those bonnets that

they would--

>> Very good.

I understand.

And Marie--

>> I love this.

>> Marie is her name.

Correct?

>> Something like that.

>> OK.

Marie, I want you to

put into Drew's mind

how you earned your

position on the council.

>> She brings history.

>> Thank you.

History.

All right.

And Hence the pilgrim

outfit, we like that's.

It's very clever.

And now I want you to describe

the emotion or the feeling

you're getting from

holding this person's hand.

>> Kindness.

What kind of kindness?

I mean it's a simple word, is

it is it overwhelming kindness.

>> No.

It's gentle, wise, deliberative.

>> Let me ask Marie, how do

you feel what we're doing?

Do you think this is weird?

>> She-- everyone thinks

it's weird in this room.

>> OK, very good.

[LAUGHING] I appreciate that.

>> And outside.

>> No, I don't think--

I don't think it's weird.

>> No, no.

She's-- we're talking

about the council.

They think it's weird.

I think I'm hypnotized, myself.

>> Marie, I want you to ask--

I want you to say

something to Drew.

I want you to give

him a sentence--

and to the people listening in--

I want you to give him a--

>> Wisdom is wealth.

>> Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Wisdom is wealth.

Drew, is this something

you've heard before?

>> No.

>> OK, thank you.

So Marie, this is

coming from Marie.

I would call this

new information.

Let's move to the

next person to Marie.

Is it a male or a female?

>> I'm having trouble because

I have this presence of like

a North American Indian.

And that feels-- it feels like--

>> Don't judge it.

>> Yeah, I'm feeling--

I'm judging it.

>> Please don't.

>> I'm judging it.

>> All right, so very good.

>> So describe

what he's wearing.

>> Headdress.

>> How many feathers?

>> Lots.

>> How many?

10?

>> 90?

Are they up?

Are they down?

>> All the way down his back.

Up and then down his back.

>> Up and then down.

OK.

And I want you to look

carefully at his face.

>> Yeah.

>> Look at those eyes.

>> Hmm.

>> What's the emotion

you get looking at him?

>> Depth, depth.

>> Depth?

All right.

Is he wearing any symbols,

or emblems, or jewelry?

>> Beads.

>> OK.

>> This one is like

making me emotional.

This guy.

>> Very good.

Very good.

I understand.

>> And that's why I'm having

trouble staying with his eyes.

>> That's OK.

You don't have to.

Just look at his

beads for a second.

>> Hmm.

>> Just focus on those beads.

And please, if he can give

us a name or the tribe

that he represents?

>> Humanity.

>> Is there a tribe that's

called itself "humanity?"

>> Yes, yes.

There is.

Well the Sioux

considered everybody

in their tribe to be

"humanity" and everybody

who was not in the Sioux

was not "humanity."

Let me ask him directly.

Are you Sioux?

Could I characterize

you as Sioux?

>> You could

characterize it that way?

>> Thank you.

Are you Lakota, or

Dakota, or Nakota?

Which one.

>> Nakota.

>> You have been watching over

him for so many lifetimes.

Do you feel like he's

doing a good job?

>> He will.

>> And would you show him why

he's doing the kind of work

he's doing where he's saving

lives on a daily basis?

>> He's waving a spear over me.

>> Very good.

OK.

And is that spear a

warrior spear or is--

>> It's more-- more ceremonial.

It feels like a blessing,

some power being transmitted

or something.

>> OK.

Well what does that feel like?

>> I don't know.

It's all very confusing.

>> Is he transmitting it to you?

Do you have a feeling of it?

>> Yes.

What is that feeling

that he's trying

to impart from you with his

great knowledge of humanity?

>> Patience and work to be done.

>> Dr. Drew remains a skeptic.

After this experiment, he

said he felt hypnotized.

He asked, how else

could I be seeing

people I've never seen before?

I pointed out his answers were

identical to dozens of others.

Josh Davidow is a filmmaker.

We met in Tibet while I was

filming "Journey into Tibet"

with Robert Thurman.

>> Here's my consciousness.

And then and I was just

kind of like where am I?

What's going on?

What's the story, because I was

so used to hearing that voice.

>> Yeah.

>> And then I looked down.

And that was probably

the next thing I saw.

So the first thing I saw was the

landscape and the amazing scape

up at the top from there.

But then I looked

down and saw my body.

And what I immediately

remember thinking

is seeing your dead

body and immediately

going into habituated thought

of going, Jesus, that's bad.

But the second I

did that, there was

another part of

me that went, hang

on a minute, that's not bad.

It's not anything, it just is.

That's your body.

I'm still me.

And I hear my voice.

And I'm cracking

wise in my head,

but I don't have that body.

What else don't I have?

And then I start going

through this checklist.

And I don't have guilt.

And I don't have shame.

And I don't have pain.

And I don't have history.

And I don't have

all of these things

that I really owned

as a physical body.

>> Let's go visit your council.

Are we inside or outside?

>> We're inside.

>> OK.

Describe it to me.

What's the structure?

>> It's like a--

sort of like a court room but

a built out of white pearl.

>> How many people

are in the room?

When you look around, how

many counselors are here?

>> Six.

All right, very good?

And are they in a row or

are they in a semicircle?

>> They're in a semicircle.

>> Semicircle.

>> OK.

Let's go to the first

person on the left.

>> OK.

He kind of seems alien.

He's got like three

sort of fingers.

It almost looks like a claw,

but it's very benign looking.

They're normal-size eyes,

but they're all pupil.

They're all black.

It doesn't look like clothes.

It looks like-- it looks

like the same skin that's

on his hand, which

is like a putty.

>> What's one word that you

could use to represent how you

earned a spot on Josh's council?

What's a word that you represent

in Josh's spiritual evolvement?

>> He said discipline.

>> Have you normally incarnated

on a planet in our universe

or in another universe?

>> Another universe.

>> OK.

Is there anybody in

Josh's life who has

had lifetimes on your planet?

>> He says yes.

>> Has Josh had a

lifetime on your planet?

>> Yes.

>> I want you to put that

lifetime in Josh's mind.

Are we inside or outside?

>> Inside.

>> You're inside.

OK.

Are we in a building, or a

structure, or where are we?

>> We're in a building.

It seems like a very

mechanical-- it almost

looks like a fertility clinic.

>> Almost looks like--

I've never been in

one, but you have.

>> No, I haven't.

>> All right.

Very good.

>> Actually, I haven't.

>> What is this place, Sith?

Is this a fertility clinic?

Is this where Josh works

or what's he doing there?

Well, first, let me ask you--

we're inside.

What does Josh look

like in this lifetime?

If you could just show it

to him without any stress

or weirdness.

>> Well, he kind

of looks like Sith.

>> Is Josh's role on this

planet, is it science?

Is it some kind of a doctor?

>> Yes.

>> It is some kind of a doctor.

And it has to do with

fertility, doesn't it?

>> Yes, yes, yes.

>> Something to do with it,

because that's what you put

in his mind.

>> Yeah.

>> So some kind of

a doctor involving--

are you guys having a difficulty

with fertility on your planet?

>> No.

>> It's just the process.

>> It's just the proce--

yeah, it's making--

it's designing a good future.

>> So you're telling me he's

not consciously aware of having

an event where some aliens came

and talked to him or something

like that.

>> No, he's not.

>> But you're showing

it to him now.

>> Yeah.

>> How does the information get

passed from Josh to you guys?

Is it etherically,

electrically, energetically?

I mean how is the information

that you're seeking happen?

>> We experience it.

We experience it

while he sleeps.

>> OK, very good.

So it's like you

come by, and it's

like you scan him in a way.

And you get the information.

And that information, what's

the value of that information

for your folks back home?

>> To make better people.

>> And by making better people,

you're not talking about

making--

do you mean-- you

talking about making

better people on your planet?

>> No.

>> What do you mean?

>> Making better

people on Earth.

>> You're helping and--

correct me if I'm wrong, Sith--

you're helping alter the

consciousness of the planet.

Is that correct.

>> Yes.

>> So let me ask you, Monty,

are you familiar with what

I've been doing asking councils

and councilors information

about their charges?

>> Yes.

>> What do you guys

think about this?

Is this unusual for you?

>> They think you're

on the right path.

>> What word do you

represent on Josh's council?

>> Peace?

>> Did he earn that from

having a difficult lifetime?

>> He earned it.

>> Does Josh want to

see where he earned it,

or is that stressful?

>> No, he can see if he wants.

>> All right.

So let's examine it.

Where are we?

Are we inside or outside?

>> We're inside a

cockpit of a plane.

It looks like World

War II, I think.

>> OK.

Very good.

Take a look at his uniform.

>> He's American.

>> What's his name?

>> Major Tom DeLuca?

>> OK.

>> Louise, something.

>> Louise or DeLuca,

something Italian?

>> Something Italian.

>> What kind of

plane were you in?

>> A bomber.

OK.

So other guys we

went down with you.

>> Hmm.

>> All right.

What was the name

of your bomber.

Do you remember?

>> Lady-- Lady Belle?

>> Lady Belle?

OK.

A different plane,

but Lady Belle.

>> It's a lady.

>> OK.

>> What did you learn

from that lifetime?

>> Not to die in fear.

>> Jennifer Shaffer, Medium.

We've been having chats with

the flipside for over six years.

In this one, I

decided to ask someone

I'd met before if

he wanted to chat.

>> Merv, show Jennifer

where you met me.

>> On his show?

>> Yeah, very good.

>> He had a show, too?

>> He did have a show.

>> I know Johnny Carson did.

I didn't know Merv did.

>> Don't judge it.

It's more fun when

you don't judge it.

[LAUGHS] It's more fun for me.

So Merv, yeah, I

was on your show.

OK?

Do you remember--

Merv, do you remember

what I was doing on

your show and who

brought me on your show?

[MUSIC AND APPLAUSE]

>> He walks out the door

and says, Merv, like I--

17 years, I've been here.

Now, of course, he doesn't

have to television set.

>> The first thing to

notice about Richard--

>> Is he has

Hollywood sunglasses--

it's in his top pocket.

>> Richard-- Richard

is an aura person.

By that I mean if we

were sitting here talking

and the camera takes

a shot of Richard,

the whole show is better

because Richard is here.

Just get a sh-- can you

get a close up of Richard?

Now look at that.

Don't you all feel a little

better now that he's here?

[LAUGHING]

Right away.

That's mainly what he does.

>> Do you really?

>> Yeah.

>> Well to tell you the

truth-- now you were talking,

you were saying earlier--

>> Do you want to move

into the main chair?

>> Yeah, I think I'm ready.

Oh, yeah, forget that.

Now you were saying earlier

about that stuff about him,

he always has to apologize

about the friendly stuff

when he comes out here.

>> See, I'm only used to

sitting next to stars.

>> Bear with us.

>> But anyway, no.

I have a story to tell

about friendly-- my one

friendly story.

>> See I got stuck

with for 90 minutes.

>> See, this is my

first time for me.

The friendly story is I was

in a restaurant in Hollywood.

And I was sitting not too

far from a megastar, a really

famous Hollywood personality.

>> Wow.

>> And as this person was

walking out of the restaurant,

a man stopped him and

said, Oh, I know you,

you're on television.

Wait, come over to my table.

And he had like seven

daughters with him.

And the person, this megastar,

went over to the table,

and very politely shook his

hand, signed an autograph,

kissed a couple of the girls.

>> Sweet.

>> Do you know

who that star was?

>> No.

>> It was you.

>> Oh.

>> It was right after

Chuck was on the show.

>> Right after we did

the friendly show.

And we know what you

were like before the--

>> Even you.

>> I did that at

Musso and Franks?

>> Musso and Frank's.

>> But see, he came on and told

me that whole friendly stuff

for 90 minutes here, about,

oh, you've got to be friendly.

But I've been that

way all my life.

>> It's infectious.

>> You know, so I

got bored with him.

>> Why are you leaning

so close to my friend.

>> Because I like Richard

better than I like you.

>> It really happened.

That's I mean.

Go ahead, continue.

>> He's got an aura about him.

What a wonderful guy.

>> You were making

everybody laugh--

>> OK.

>> --about meeting someone.

>> OK, very good.

I did.

I made everybody laugh

about meeting, you Merv.

>> Oh, OK.

>> That was the punch

line, because I met you.

I was at Musso and Frank's.

I saw you signing autographs.

And I thought to

myself, look at that,

Merv will go stop at

any table and sign

autographs for anybody.

I mean he's really a polite guy.

All right.

So Merv, why all

the shows, buddy?

>> He could recognize talent

even when they couldn't.

Tell me the guy that

passed away that you did--

that was in your movie

that did the naked--

naked dating.

>> Oh, Howard Schultz.

>> Howard Schultz.

>> So what kind of things

are you working on or talking

about?

Are they story points?

Like you grow up in Wisconsin

and I'll grow up in Iowa,

and we'll meet up

somewhere along the path?

>> Yeah.

>> So like that,

like story beats.

Does anybody advise you on the

story beats or you guys just

work it out yourselves?

>> They're laughing.

They have hundreds-- like

there's like thousands

of people behind them.

>> Thousands of people who

have to-- do they have to agree

on the process?

I'm aware that

there's free will.

So people can say--

>> Merv, are you doing this with

a lot of people or is Howard

just one of the people.

>> They both want it.

They both think that they're

more powerful together.

>> OK.

And what kind of topics are

you guys going to work on.

>> They're going to do

shows that have humor,

because they think

that's great medicine.

>> I see.

So almost like build

a network together.

>> Ding, ding, ding, ding.

>> All right.

So Merv, we'll be right back.

[LAUGHS] That's

what he used to say.

I would like to speak to--

if it's possible-- can we

speak to her main council,

the main council

of the people who

advise Kimberly

in her lifetimes?

>> She says, yes, and she pushes

through like it's the feeling

of four, like four.

>> Four.

Very good, thank you.

And so going from left to

right, if you could describe

the first person on your left.

>> [LAUGHING] Go figure.

Well, if there was ever a being

that looks like ET, I'm like,

of course, it's you because

I've seen this one before,

only one time before.

>> Very good.

>> Can we speak to

you, sir, ma'am?

>> Yeah, he told me his name.

His name is Sebastian.

He has like gray

skin, no raised ears.

He looks like an ET.

>> But he's got two arms.

Is that correct?

>> Yes.

But just a little out

of proportion to human.

>> Yeah.

And his eyes are big or small.

>> They're big, but

his face is very flat.

So like how we have

the difference in space

from our nose to here dips

down, he doesn't have that.

>> OK.

And Sebastian, can Kimberly

take a hold of your hand

and hold your hand for a second?

What does that feel like?

What's the emotion you get

from that emotional feeling?

>> Safe.

Definitely emotional

and definitely safe,

very, very, very, very safe.

>> Safe.

OK.

That was kind of--

>> Comforted and loved.

>> Well, Sebastian, define love.

She's feeling love from you.

What does that mean?

>> He shows me the

word everything.

>> That idea that

love is everything.

Are you referring

to consciousness

and how consciousness

is in everything

and that consciousness is love?

I'm just curious.

>> Yeah.

He's showing everything and

the plan of everything is love.

Yeah.

And he's showing

like this spiral.

It almost looks like a stretched

out slinky from space to Earth,

like the cosmos to

Earth, where everything

is the translation of love.

And the harmony that it

projects, and creates,

and shares is the

level of like--

what is this word--

integration--

>> Great.

>> --of love.

>> Is Kimberly ever incarnated

on your planet or where you

normally have incarnated?

>> He says, yes.

She is now.

>> Oh.

And if you could allow her--

can we see that for a second?

Where is this planet that

you normally incarnate, is

it in our universe or is

it in another universe?

>> It's not in our universe.

>> OK.

So we don't have to

get down to or Cygnus

5, or Pleiades, or something.

And if you going to

show Kimberly just

for a glimpse, what does

it look like on the surface

of that planet where

she is concurrently.

Is that what you're saying?

She has a lifetime

concurrently to this one.

And without getting

into the mass,

just show her what

does it look like.

>> So I'm literally like

standing here looking down.

And it's like--

Rich, do you remember

the movie "Avatar?"

And do you know

how there's pieces

of Earth-like

objects almost kind

of floating around

with each other?

And they're kind

of like from one--

it's similar to that, but

it's like I'm looking down.

But when I look down, I

can see like cosmos below.

But I also have an understanding

of like over here to the right,

it looks green and lush,

but it's also not solid.

It's--

>> Almost like a

mental construct?

And you created it,

almost mathematical?

>> Right.

>> Beautiful.

Is he wearing anything

jewelry wise or is he just--

you're just seeing

skin, this gray skin?

>> Just skin.

And he's cold and kind

of clammy to the touch.

It's not jewelry,

it's like his skin.

But it's almost like how a tree

has rings for how old it is.

>> Sebastian, are those rings

around your neck related to age

or what are they related to?

>> Evolutionary he says.

>> Evolutionary.

And just to give our listeners

an idea of how old you

are in Earth years.

>> Ah. his energy like shifts.

And he gets-- he's so intense.

And his voice got really deep.

And he said eons, like eons.

I don't know if these

rings represent lifetimes

as much as they represent like

epiphany that caused expansion.

>> Beautiful.

>> Does that make sense?

>> Epiphany that

cause expansion.

Like consciousness adjustments,

like judging time over the fact

that you've adjusted

consciousness.

So you're an important dude.

Sebastian, how many

councils do you work on?

Do you just work

with Kimberly or do

you work with many people?

>> Many.

So the person to his left--

this is interesting, because

I've never seen her before,

her face.

>> OK.

>> She has dark hair.

She looks like a

Native American Indian.

>> May I ask-- may I ask you.

Well, I forgot to ask Sebastian.

Are you aware of this work I'm

doing, talking to councils?

>> All the time, he says.

>> OK, thank you.

>> What's your what's

your opinion of it?

>> He's doing this.

>> It means thank

you in sign language.

>> Yeah, that's what

he was just telling me.

Like he was literally saying

that when you said that.

Thank you--

>> Wow.

>> --like in sign language.

>> OK, mind blown.

Mind blowing.

All right.

So this woman, let's ask her

for a name, if you don't mind.

>> I cannot believe

I'm hearing this like.

She's almost, like, why?

Why would you be mind blown?

Awashonks?

>> Awashonks.

>> Awashonks, thank you.

>> This is so crazy.

She's very fierce in her energy.

She's very direct

and very fierce.

>> Very good.

So may I ask you some

direct questions, Miss A?

>> Of course.

>> What do you represent

in Kimberly's journey,

just as a word or a concept?

>> Whatever that means.

Alignment maybe?

>> Focus.

Have you lived a lifetime

on the planet Earth?

So you have and this is--

>> And then I'm sure you can

imagine what she's showing me.

She's saying I'm

not afraid to kill

to get to where I need to be.

Now, when it comes

to kill, it's not

like she's on a mission to kill.

It's like it's more

of like prioritizing,

like letting things die to

prioritize what needs to live.

>> And are you familiar with

this work that I'm doing

talking to councils?

>> She says, I am.

And then she follows that

up with I am a part of it.

>> Oh, very good.

Well, let me ask you about that.

Did you put Kimberly

and me together today?

Is that what happened?

>> She takes full-- like she

takes big responsibility.

Like she sits back

and gets really big

and has this energy of

taking responsibility.

>> What would you like to

tell people that are listening

in, or hearing this for the

first time, or accessing this?

What would you

like as a message?

>> Simultaneous transaction.

She's saying talk to

the land and also let

the land talk to you.

And it's almost like a plea,

like let the land talk to you.

And then it's like you

won't lose your way.

She's showing like clarity.

You won't lose your way.

>> I get it, but I

don't know who his is.

He's like that Microsoft guy.

>> Bingo.

>> Correct?

>> Correct.

>> He's showing me,

but I didn't get it.

So when I don't

get things, it's--

>> That's all right.

You don't know his name.

I'm going to tell you his name.

First name is Paul.

>> Paul.

Paul, Paul, Paul, Paul.

I know you're talking

about his name.

>> OK.

Let me just tell you, it's OK.

>> He owned a football team, a

basketball team or a football

team?

>> Very good.

He did.

He owned both.

>> Both.

>> So who was there to greet

you when you crossed over?

>> I just got a big

football player.

>> Really, interesting.

>> I don't know.

Let me just go with it.

>> Just go with it?

>> White or Black?

>> Black, African-American.

>> African-American.

Somebody we might know?

>> Kind of like Polynesian.

Maybe I'm seeing Black,

but it might be Polynesian.

I feel that he didn't play for

him, but he tried to help him.

He wanted him to

play, but he died

before he could play for him.

>> Paul wanted to help him.

>> Yes.

>> But he passed

away before he--

>> Before he could help him.

>> Right.

>> Did he went to help

him with his illness?

Did he have a brain problem?

>> That's what it feels

like, but I don't know

if it's concussions.

I don't know.

>> Yeah, that's what it is.

OK.

That would be what it was.

Now that you're

on the flipside--

>> He was who started,

it feels like.

>> Speak up.

>> This guy was the start of it.

>> Oh, very good.

>> Like he was the one that--

>> Inspired him--

>> He was so

heartbroken over it.

>> OK.

Was it--

>> Here he owns a sports

team and he feels like

they're hurt--

like

>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I understand.

They're hurting good athletes.

>> He's trying to create

helmets that were even stronger.

>> Very good.

>> Let's focus on the

Archangel Raphael for a second,

if we can.

>> Can we?

>> Of course.

>> In terms of angels and

speaking to angels or speaking

to people who

self-identify as angels.

I've often heard that

it's really in reference

to the ability to move

at the speed of thought,

that they're so fast.

And so the idea of wings

is more of a metaphor

than it is like, oh, I'm stuck

with these things on my back.

It's a metaphor for how--

so is that accurate, Raphael.

>> Yeah, absolutely.

And that makes sense as to

why he's saying and showing--

>> Propulsion.

Yeah.

>> --propulsion.

>> Moving from realm to realm.

I've also heard the

term "guardian."

>> Because he was showing--

do you remember when we were

talking to Sebastian, the ET

that was showing those rings

almost like in his aura.

So Raphael's referencing that.

When we were talking about

propulsion, like having those--

so think about it like this,

just to try to put context to.

Think about those rings of

like evolution or awakened

consciousness, like a

quantum leap of growth.

And there's an imprint that's

there that's always accessible.

So that's why-- so it's

like they're the same.

It's like he's trying

to say that they're

the same because an

archangel has those also.

And that's why the fast

propulsion, like the capacity

to switch change quickly.

Because those are like

access points, he's saying.

>> OK.

>> Those rings are like access

points to the whole reality.

Whatever access

point he's at, he

has access to the

whole realm of it,

like anything happening

on that channel.

>> Ah, OK.

That's huge.

That's pretty big.

>> Like a portal almost.

>> In terms of us understanding

what an archangel is,

certainly since humanity

has been around,

or for a long time, people

have identified archangels like

seven of them or a

certain particular number.

Is that accurate or are there

many, many more than seven?

>> He's saying many,

many, many more.

>> If I refer to the Archangel

Michael, do you think, oh,

that's my buddy

Michael or is that--

how does that work?

>> Not like you do in your

frame of reference, he says.

When you say "Archangel

Michael," for him,

he connects more to a cause,

like cause and effect.

So it's like I see

literally like a shift.

When I say how do you

connect to Michael,

I see a shift and then awareness

in like compassion, heart,

protection.

Whatever the cause, is

it's a shift into that.

I'm like so--

I don't know why he keeps

repeating the word "exodus."

It is so fascinating

because that's

sort of how he was answering

your question when you were

saying, when I mention

"Michael," how do you connect

to your buddy Michael?

He's saying like "exodus."

So it's almost like

exodus is the bridge

to get to compassion.

Because like we

would say "Michael."

We would use a name identity.

But they use like

an intent identity.

>> Is it a vibrational

identity or intent?

>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like intent.

>> But exodus would be movement

from one place to the next.

>> Yeah.

That's what he's

showing, like a shift.

>> Like a shift.

So all right, here's a

question people on the planet

might want to know.

Are we going through

an exodus right now?

>> He's like you

better believe it.

>> [LAUGHING] Is it

a speeded up exodus,

or is people's awareness

becoming part of that exodus,

or is it just something

that's happening?

I mean are we responsible

for it or are you

guys responsible for it?

Collective, mutual.

>> Mutual.

>> So he's saying it's like

the effect of slowing it down

speeds it up.

It's like in order to manifest

the construct of anything that

serves, you have to

remove what doesn't serve.

So you have to have

that holy destruction.

And so keeping it

sacred and seeing it--

because if you keep it

sacred, you don't judge it.

Maintaining spaciousness

is vital for survival,

he's saying.

Because you have--

>> Maintain spaciousness,

did you say?

Maintain spaciousness?

OK.

>> Yeah, he's saying

it's like it's vital.

It's vital for survival.

Otherwise it's like

eating yourself sick.

It's like eating so much

food, you have no more space

to put the food, but you just

keep eating until you die.

But if you don't have

space to put the food,

if you don't maintain

spaciousness,

we're just constantly

taking in, taking in.

But if we're not

expanding, if we're not

present to what we're taking

in, we're not expanding,

we don't have spaciousness.

We're not recycling.

>> What's your opinion

of what we're doing here?

>> In what--

>> In terms of chatting with

you on the flipside and showing

people that you can chat to

your guides, and teachers,

and council members

any time they want to.

Is that a good thing?

>> OK.

Yes, like there's such a push

behind-- when you say, "Is that

a good thing?"

There's such a push behind

like punctuate the yes as

big as you can.

That's what he's expressing.

>> Very good.

All right.

>> Because that

in itself is the--

he says that in itself is

the display of spaciousness.

>> I've seen how all those

diseases can affect people

and felt that.

So to be able to

do anything that

accelerates a treatment

of diseases like that

would be a fantastic thing.

This next research is trying

to fundamentally understand

how the brain works.

And if you understood how

the brain worked better,

that would help you treat

different kinds of personality

disorder, all sorts of different

other diseases associated

with the brain.

>> When Paul Allen passed, we

asked who was there to greet

him--

Dave Duerson and Junior Seau.

They wanted to thank him

for his Brain Institute.

I reached out to Junior's

widow as an experiment

to see if Jennifer could

connect to her husband Junior

without knowing

she was his widow.

>> He was, like, I almost

made it to the finish line.

Thank you.

He said he went and saw people

privately, like doctors,

or did he go see

people for his mind?

I just felt like whatever

he was taking made it worse.

>> Yeah, that's true.

>> OK.

>> Lots of Ambien.

Lots of Ambien.

>> He covered everything.

>> Junior would you show--

>> He had people

covering things.

>> Junior, would you show

Jennifer how you showed up

in our research,

if you don't mind.

And it has to do

with your brain.

>> Show me again?

Oh, wrestling--

or not wrestling.

The-- what was it called?

He just showed me the guy that--

not Microsoft, but

what was it, right?

He showed me that guy.

And he showed me like their

research that they were doing.

>> Correct.

>> Because they know that--

for concussions.

And that that's what

caused all of this.

And that everything because

I'm looking for stuff--

I'm looking fucking everywhere.

And he's like just relax.

I'm still a control freak.

>> Somebody-- the Microsoft

guy-- we were talking to him.

And we were talking

to him about who

greeted him on the other side.

>> Oh, it was him!

>> Yeah, it was him.

>> Oh my god.

Oh my god.

>> Dave Duerson and Junior Seau

came by three times to insist

we tell people that Joe Namath

has cured his CTE by using

hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

Hacking the afterlife

as a methodology

may one day help find cures

for illness or climate change

from those no longer

on the planet.

It's worth exploring

the possibility.

>> Number nine.

And when you're ready, number

10, eyes open, wide awake.

Wide awake now.

Number 10, wide awake.

>> So when are you guys

you going to start,

because I've got to

turn the camera on.

>> [LAUGHS] Very funny.

You know what the

most interesting thing

was the inability

to speak at times.

I could tell it was difficult

to shake off what it actually

did to the soul.

>> Yeah?

>> Like it's like--

>> The quote you said was

"It actually burned my soul."

>> Yeah, I said it.

That's how it felt.

>> Yeah.

>> It literally felt like--

>> Like it scorched.

>> Like, yeah, literally

like I had burned inside.

>> Howard passed away

on New Year's Eve 2014.

He was sitting on

the beach in Hawaii

at dawn reflecting on his 61

years of a life well lived.

He's come often to speak

through Jennifer Shaffer.

She said at his memorial,

he was there, Rich, standing

behind you enjoying the show.

>> So what was interesting

when that just happened,

when I saw Prince, then I saw a

picture of Prince and somebody

took it off of a clipboard.

And it was your buddy

Schultz, Howard.

>> OK, Howard.

>> I think it's about his wife--

hold on.

Were you married?

20 years.

>> So Howard, can we

ask you some questions?

Can we ask you some questions

about what's going on?

What is it like for you

to communicate with us?

Like Jennifer and I are

sitting here in her office--

>> Fun.

He says fun.

He's showing me that

it is a vibration.

It's like everybody comes in

certain colors, vibrations,

you name it.

It's all frequencies.

>> All frequencies.

>> So everything vibrates

at a different level,

whether it's the

ocean and mountains.

And so you can

take that frequency

and create your own space.

>> So where do you

hang out, Howard?

Have you created a home?

>> Maui.

>> In Maui.

So it feels like Maui?

>> Well, I said Maui.

He just showed me playing golf.

>> But how much of the

course do you create?

Do you create just one

hole or what's in your view

or do you create all--

>> He collaborates.

He creates an awareness

with the frequency.

That if people love

that, they'll come in.

>> What's your handicap?

>> 70?

>> [LAUGHS].

OK.

Very good.

The most I know--

>> If I'm getting this right--

again, it's interpretation.

But he's shown me a grid.

So if you had a 3D model

of what you wanted,

he's creating something

that is so spectacular

so other people come.

Like he's able to do it.

He's getting information

from everyone.

He's taking information

from all of the golf courses

and building his own

with help from people

that know how to build.

>> So Howard, so is there

anybody that we mutually know

that you hang out with

or anybody you want me--

>> Luana.

>> Luana?

OK, very good.

Did you ever meet Luana?

I don't know.

I don't think so.

>> No.

>> But you know her there.

Tell me--

>> Yes, because

they both visit you.

>> Well she was a Buddhist who

had trained in the Japanese

school of Buddhism,

SGI, it's called--

Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.

So she's very focused on that.

>> Best thing, she said.

The best thing she ever did.

>> Very good.

It saved her life, I'm sure.

She told me that a few times.

>> And meaning you.

Yeah.

>> And what?

>> Meeting you.

>> Oh, and meeting me.

Oh, thanks, Lu.

I appreciate that.

>> She just threw you a bone.

>> Oh.

>> A real bone.

>> Literally, threw me a bone.

Yeah, that's good.

>> He's a smart aleck.

He's like razzing you.

>> What does he say?

>> He says-- he's like

what are you talking about?

We go way back.

Like when you talk about

aren't you impressed?

Like what are you talking about?

We go way back.

And it's kind of

like where are you?

But he's just kind of like

beating you up, you know how?

>> I know.

That was our relationship.

So I mean, you're looking

at us sitting here

in Hugo's Restaurant in West

Hollywood, what do you see?

>> Like it's about time.

I don't know if you've been

hesitant to talk to him

or open up or something,

but he's like--

he keeps going like this.

>> Did your Grandma

almost couldn't walk?

>> She was old.

She could walk, but she old.

OK?

>> Mommy, your grandma's here.

And she says, "Hi, Jamiela!"

>> What?

>> Your grandma's here,

and she says "Hi, Jamiela!"

>> "Hacking the Afterlife,"

written, directed,

produced by Richard Martini.

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