Gringo: The Dangerous Life of John McAfee (2016) - full transcript

[radio beeps]
This is 18, 10-81.

No, sir.

[man] How much money
do you have in here?

- [John] Maybe $4,000.
- [man] $4,000?

[John] Yes, sir.

- The FBI?
- [John] Precisely.

[Nanette]
The name McAfee reminds me

of my very first laptop.

Like most PCs
in the '90s,

it had McAfee antivirus
software pre-installed.

[man] Software security guru
John McAfee,



he made millions
as one of the nation's

first big
software pioneers.

[Nanette] I didn't think about
that name again until 2012,

when John McAfee
was all over the news.

[man] John McAfee, whose name
was synonymous with security,

is now becoming synonymous
with the mysterious murder

of McAfee's neighbor,
Greg Faull.

[Nanette] I read about John's
bizarre lifestyle in Belize,

including being wanted
for questioning in a homicide

and going on the run.

[man] A murder in paradise,

as police launch
a full-scale search

for an eccentric
American tycoon, John McAfee.

[Nanette] 2016,
just a few years later,



John was again in the news,

this time, he was running for
President of the United States.

Antivirus software industry
pioneer John McAfee,

throwing his hat into
the 2016 presidential ring.

What has created terrorism?

Our interference in the affairs
of foreign states.

Dropping bombs on families.

[Nanette]
And talking about

some of
the most significant

cybersecurity issues
of our time.

But no one was talking
about his past.

You are an expert,
and I know you're brilliant

when it comes to matters
of security.

We are in
the first cyber war.

You said that you
could unlock

the San Bernardino terrorists'
phones for the FBI.

[Nanette] How did John McAfee
reinvent himself?

Are there different rules

for people with money,
power, and fame?

Or is John just
a master manipulator?

The last 15 years,
I've been making documentaries

on complex and controversial
celebrities.

I've been fascinated
with how being famous

can put you under
a cruel spotlight.

But it can also allow
for extraordinary privileges.

Like the ability
to get away with things.

Was this the case
with John McAfee?

[man] John, where are
you going?

[John] To jail.

[Nanette]
What really happened in Belize?

♪ suspenseful music ♪

♪♪♪

[Nanette]
When I started the film,

I reached out to John.

He refused
to do an interview.

But he repeatedly
emailed me.

He would say,
"Do not contact me again."

And then email me
five seconds later.

He said...

Even though he refused
to be interviewed.

It started a strange,
year-long cyber relationship.

In the meantime, I investigated
his story in Belize.

♪ tropical music ♪

John moved to San Pedro,
Belize, in 2008

and he bought a beautiful
beachside property.

♪♪♪

[both] Buenas tardes.

[John] Just look out there,
you'll see why.

The most beautiful water
in the world.

An off-shore reef
that lets me

build a house
right on the beach.

Can't do that in Florida.

♪♪♪

[Nanette] How would you describe
this island, San Pedro?

How would I describe
my island?

- [Nanette] Yeah.
- Well, it's a beautiful island.

It's the most beautiful island
in this country.

♪♪♪

[Peter] We've got 42 dive sites
from here

within a three-mile radius.

It's great.
It's fantastic.

And everybody speaks English.

And, I mean, how many Americans
like English?

[Paul] This is
a major destination

for people to try to run away

from the United States.

Approximately every
four, six months,

U.S. Marshals
will come down.

They already know
where everybody is.

They'll go through the island
and just make a sweep.

[Tamara] There's expats here
that really like to

immerse themselves
with the local culture.

And the, you know,
the local culture

loves a rich man,
you know?

[Daniel] Everybody knew
John McAfee. [laughs]

When he first came into
the country,

he was very friendly.

I really thought he was
a very nice person.

He bought prime property.

He used to bring his friends
from the States.

We are getting a lot
of tourists because of him.

[Tamara] John started
donating things

to the police department.

Very generous.

Extremely generous.

He told us, "Guys, anything,
you need help,

my doors are open."

[Paul] He donated
a considerable amount

of equipment to police.

Boots, stun guns,
different assortment of weapons.

[Tom] I recall, when he get his
residence card here,

he gave the government of Belize
a $1 million boat.

And that made the news here.

[man] Why this donation
to the Coast Guard?

I've just become a permanent
resident of Belize,

and I'm very grateful
that the country of Belize

allowed me to live here
permanently.

And I wanted
to give something back.

[Tamara] You have to wonder,

if you're giving donations
to the police,

is it out of the goodness
of your heart?

Or are there
some motives behind it?

You know, why didn't you
build that library, or--

[laughs] You know?

The schools always need
another classroom.

There's a lot
of different ways

you can be generous
with your money.

[man] Entrepreneur John McAfee
is still doing

what comes naturally:

starting new businesses.

[John] This is an entrepreneur's
paradise, here.

There are virtually
no regulations on business.

[man] McAfee started
a ferry service.

He's also cultivating
jungle plants

that he hopes will be
the building blocks

for medicines of the future.

[Allison] I was doing my
postdoc, I was at Harvard,

but I always heard
about Belize.

Just how amazing
the jungles were

and the local healers.

Decided to go to Belize
and just see

what it was
all about, you know?

But anyway, we'll talk about
that, then.

[Allison] I ended up
meeting John McAfee.

Yeah, I didn't know him
from Adam,

but I told him about
my research,

and he seemed engaged.

He seemed interested,

and within, you know,
minutes of conversation,

he offered me my dream job.

He said, "You can continue
your research,

and we'll make
a business out of it."

And I thought,
"Oh, my God."

I mean, this is--
this is it.

This is, like,
my big break.

There was not a space
for the lab,

and he had me stay with him,

um, which made me
very uncomfortable.

I saw a lot of stuff
when I was living in his place.

He had armed guards.

I'm not a huge fan of guns.

Um, he had meetings

with people that were
also armed.

Um--

At one point he said
that he was working on a book

with two heavily armed,

very built men
from the Ukraine.

I mean, I don't know, this is
probably not relevant.

- I'm sorry, this is--
- [Nanette] That's okay.

This is the tangent that I told
you I would go on.

[Nanette] Yeah, that's okay.
That's part of interviewing.

- It's just, there's--
- [Nanette] There's a lot

of tangents.
People--we all do it.

Oh, fuck, there's just--
there's so much crazy shit.

There's so much crazy shit

that I don't even know--

You know, it's hard to know
where to start. [laughs]

[Nanette] I wanted to start
with John's past.

In emails he was evasive.

But I managed to dig up
some of his records.

He was born in England,
and grew up

an only child in Virginia.

According to John, his father
was an abusive alcoholic

and committed suicide
when John was young.

Eventually, John graduated
college and became

a computer engineer.

In the 1980s, he tried his luck
in Silicon Valley.

[phone beeps]

McAfee, may I help you?

Speaking.

It's one of those
strange days.

[Jim] His first efforts with
antivirus were in late '86.

And, uh, he was
always playing

with different kinds of code.

There was this new problem
with computers,

that was a--your computer
could catch a cold.

Okay, there it goes.

In Budapest, uh,
we have a hospital

that lost 25 systems.

Uh, including
all patient records--hello?

When John came up
with antiviral software,

90% of the people
that were running computers

weren't even aware of viruses.

And then viruses started
getting names.

[man] It's called Michelangelo.

It's a lowdown work
of sabotage

that could wreck millions
of computer programs

around the world.

What is a computer virus?

A computer virus, Bryant,

is a program
written by a hacker.

Any computer that it's in,
it activates

and destroys all of the data
in those systems.

John showed his first
signs of savvy,

working with the media.

Able to articulate
a scary story.

This doomsday virus
was about to hit.

[electronic droning]

The entire research
community agrees,

this is the number one virus.

it is the number one
computer threat.

It's real,
and it's going to happen

on the 6th of March.

[Mark] The Michelangelo Virus
caused many people

around the world
to download

antivirus software
for the first time.

That's how the money
just started rolling in.

By 1993, McAfee controlled

67% of the desktop
antivirus market.

They only had about
20 employees.

Do not stand in doorways.
Stand against--

[Mark] But there were already,
like, $14 million in revenue.

- They were printing money.
- Excuse me.

It still was a group
of John's original friends

and family that worked there.

A lot of them didn't have
careers before.

Excuse me.
Gretzky, Tech Support.

John had more, like,
a cult style.

And people would not go home
for two and three days.

They would sleep
under their desk

to make sure John was happy
with the work they were doing.

Okay, what you need to do
in your AUTOEXEC.BAT file--

[Andrea] It was a crazy culture,
that's for sure.

Three of the women
were supposedly witches,

and they would sit
in the conference room

and have, like,
a little chant.

Andrea Nation would come in
in the morning

with a bottle of Windex

and clean off
Bill Larson's desk.

Because there was
a sex contest going on.

You'd get points.

They had a group called
Little Foxes,

where they, um,
would give points

for, uh, having sex

in different spots
of the office.

John being this free spirit,

that made the culture
of the company.

He wasn't the typical
suit and tie guy.

The investors wanted
to take the company

to the next level.

And that was definitely not
John's forte.

They felt like John
couldn't do that

and I think that John
didn't want to do it, either.

They bought John out.

They bought his shares out.

[computer beeping]

He sensed the virus threat

in a way
that most people didn't.

He seemed brilliant
but also paranoid.

He is more sensitive

than, maybe,
the average person

to potential threats.

My wife thought it
a little funny

when he came next door,
looking for his wife Judy,

who was over visiting
with us,

'cause he wasn't home yet.

And he shows up,
and he--and so,

I let him in the house
and he's got

a gun in his back pocket.

And I says--
Susan said,

you know, uh,
"Is that a gun in your pocket,

or are you just happy
to see me?"

[laughs] You know?

And, you know, he just,
"Oh, well, you know,

it's dark out, there's no street
lights on this street.

You never know."

But they were making
quite a bit of money then.

And maybe somebody
kidnapped his wife.

So he came over to see
if we'd seen her.

Is that paranoid?

I don't know.

♪ pensive music ♪

♪♪♪

[Nanette]
After earning millions

in Silicon Valley,

John did not retire.

He created social network
ventures

like Tribal Voice
and PowWow.

But they didn't take off.

Then in 2000, he exited
the business world completely.

He bought 280 acres
of land in Colorado

and opened a yoga
and meditation center.

[John] I've been doing yoga
and meditation for 35 years.

Given the life that I lead--

and I admit,
I lead life on the edge.

I have to do something.

So I believe in yoga.
Yoga will extend your life,

and it'll also give you a clear
perspective of yourself.

[Nanette] I asked John
how he got involved in yoga.

After he opened
his yoga center,

he began inviting people
to stay there.

Got up there, and there's
this beautiful house.

These stunning yoga studios

and probably space
for about 25 people to sleep.

Massive grounds and literally
like his own forest.

It was kind of too big
to even get my head around,

this massive place
that one guy owned.

And he'd let you
stay there for free.

Pain is nothing more
than a powerful sensation,

is it not?

I mean, it's--it's your body
talking to you

like your body talks to you
when you get a massage

or when you're
sexually aroused.

[Paul] Yeah, there was
rumors in town

it was a cult
that he had up there,

up in the hills.
[laughs]

[Goldy] He always had
an entourage,

like, a tribe,

which was beautiful.

What is this thing
that you want

to make immortal?

Because to live is to die
simultaneously.

I truly believe
he was--he was enlightened.

He was--he was a guru.

He'd written five books
on the yoga process.

They're really good.

Later, I remember
him saying

that they were all shit.
[laughs]

He was insinuating that he
wasn't into that stuff anymore.

You know, there was
a definite shift in personality.

He was a different--

I mean, you could--
he was still John.

You know,
but he was not--

he just wasn't
a guru-type anymore.

He didn't have--
he wasn't enlightened. [laughs]

The next time I saw him,
I'm like, "Okay."

[keyboard clacking]

[man] In this recession,
the average American

is certainly pinching
every penny.

But the man you are
about to meet

is one of the biggest losers.

It's staggering, really.

[man] Good morning,
ladies and gentlemen.

Welcome to the estate
of John McAfee.

[man] On Saturday, auctioneers
worked up bids

for the rarified retreat
of a wealthy man

who's taken it on the chin
in this recession.

It's been reported you were
worth about $100 million.

- That may have been true.
- Yet now you're--

- Less than ten.
- Less than $10 million.

You bet.

[man] You seem
so remarkably relaxed

for someone who's lost
about $90 million.

Well, yeah.
And why wouldn't I be?

The things we want
and the things we need

are two different things.

[man] Did it take you a while

to come to that realization?

Yeah, about 65 years.

[man] Now, McAfee plans to take

his remaining handful
of millions

and head to Central America,

where he started
a new venture

to develop natural medicines.

[Nanette] I asked John
if he moved to Belize

because he lost
so much money.

He said, "Not at all,
I lost very little."

So I asked
if he transferred his money

to offshore accounts.

♪♪♪

[waves crashing]

[John] I was living
on the island of San Pedro.

Fishing and boating and having
a great old time.

But I was bored silly.

Hey, how you doing?

♪ lively music ♪

♪♪♪

[Tom] He was living
in San Pedro.

And he called me one day
and tell me

he wants to go
to an archeological site.

Why don't I take you
to Lamanai?

And he said, "Lamanai?
Where is that?"

I said it's in
the Orange Walk District.

John was impressed
with what he saw.

He said, "I'd love to buy
some property here."

All right, get ready
for some serious

"Heart of Darkness" here.

♪♪♪

[Tom] Till eventually,
when I told him

about this piece that was
available, he settled on that.

He decided
he was gonna buy that.

[Nanette] So is that
a big deal in this area?

To provide so many jobs?

Definitely, you know?
Because...

speaking Spanish

I was hearing about
what a good guy John was

from some of his old pals.

But then there were people

who were really afraid
to talk to me.

[man] I know, more or less,
everything that happened.

- [Nanette] Mm-hmm.
- And I don't really

want to come out on TV.

[Nanette] But you're not saying
anything bad.

[man] Yeah, but then he
won't like that.

He'll feel like I betray him.

- [Nanette] Why?
- [man] 'Cause he, like,

was very secretive,
and I don't want to.

He told me that he knows
everything going on

in the whole country
of Belize.

♪♪♪

[Allison] John moved us to
the mainland, to Orange Walk.

I finally had
a lab building built.

[sighs] You know, so I just--
I tried to keep my head down.

I tried to get back to work.

John would have
reporters come

to view the lab.

And I said, "Look--
you know, I have nothing."

[man] These 22 acres,
on the banks

of what the Mayans once called
The River of Strange Faces,

are owned by McAfee.

So when I come back in a year,
this will look a lot different,

- I would imagine.
- Right, well, you'll see

- shade cloth everywhere.
- Mm-hmm.

[John] And hopefully
will be production

of some fairly unique
pharmaceuticals.

He was confused and upset
that I didn't have,

you know,
something more to show.

And so he would have me
just put, you know,

different colored dyes
in the bottles.

Or make up batches
of, you know,

what I had already researched.

And I said, you know,
"This feels dishonest."

And he said, "No, you know,
it's just business.

That's what we do.
We're just trying

to get investors,
and we wanna, you know,

get people's attention,
you know?

I promise you
it's gonna work out."

Ehh, yeah.

[Nanette] John was doing a lot
of press in Orange Walk.

I came across
several interviews,

including audio recordings
with print journalists.

♪♪♪

[John] I was the only
White man, the only foreigner

in the entire district
of Orange Walk,

which is 10,000 people,
and that covers

about 1/5 of the entire country
of Belize.

So it should have been
a warning sign to me

that I should have
walked more carefully

or acted less obtrusively.

[dog barking]

speaking Spanish

His attitude was changing

about paranoia, I think.

He was getting
a little paranoid.

♪ intense music ♪

♪♪♪

[Tom] I start to see more
and more security people.

Like, a lot.

♪♪♪

[Nanette] So he didn't mind
that you said--

[indistinct shouting]

[Tom] One day
I told him this, I said,

"John, why are you
surrounding yourself

with these people?

These people are gonna get you
into trouble."

And that's when he told me
the story, "These people,

nobody wants to hire them.

They're badass, they got
police record this long."

I said, "So you employ them

and put firearms
in their hand.

You think
that's gonna go right?

I think he really wanted to
create a sort

of a cult or a mystique
around himself

as a White man on the edge.

Like Colonel Kurtz.

And here he is
in the heart of darkness.

[laughs]

[Nanette] And did he travel
in town with a bunch of guys?

[Nanette]
Like, how many guys?

Ooh, we had at least
12, 13 guys.

[Nanette] Is that normal
to have 12 security guards?

♪♪♪

[Allison] John got weirder
and weirder.

He would go on these rants.

He talked about taking over
the Belizean government.

He talked about his hit men,
and at this point

I was starting to believe it.

[Nanette] You said hit men.

Did you mean to say hit men

and not security guards?

[Alison] Yes, he would
absolutely call them hit men.

He would talk about
his hit men,

he would talk about
how he could

have people hurt or killed.

And, um, you know,
honestly, I was--I was scared.

I planned to leave.

But I needed to figure out
how to do it, you know?

I went to talk to him.

I sat there on the couch
and I told him everything.

I said, "Look, I don't--
I don't like what you're doing.

I am not getting anywhere
with my work.

I feel undermined.

And, um, you know,
I miss my family.

I wanna go home."

And, uh, you know,
I had a headache.

I was--
I was crying so much.

I told him
I had a headache.

And--and he--

He brought me, um,
he, you know,

he went into the other room
and--and he brought me

two pills and a glass
of orange juice.

And, um--

So I took them,
I--you know, and I--

I took a sip
of the orange juice

and it--it tasted foul.

It tasted bitter, um--

[chuckles]
I'm such an idiot.

I--I remember I made a joke
about not being able

to get good orange juice
in a place called Orange Walk.

Like, I honestly...

[sighs]

I only have, sort of,
flashes

of recollection.

He was standing over me,
naked.

And I woke up
the next morning

and I was sick.

I was dry heaving,
and I was dizzy.

And I grabbed my clothes.

I don't even remember
taking them off.

And, um, I went back
to my house.

And I locked myself
in my apartment.

And I, um--

I sat in the shower.
I sat in the shower for--

I don't know,
until the water ran cold.

And I was crying.

And I was bleeding.

Somehow I found the courage

to confront him.

John acted as if
nothing happened.

And I said, "I'm leaving.

I'd like to split
on fair terms

and if you could buy me out
of the company."

I remember I just started,
um, a very calm conversation,

and he went from...

zero to crazy
in, like, two seconds.

He called me
all kinds of names

and pushed me
through the door

of his Orange Walk compound.

I locked myself
in the lab,

and I thought,
"He's dangerous."

I started destroying
all the samples.

And, um, you know,
any of the reagents

that he could have used
against someone.

And, um--

I emailed my dad.
I had just about,

maybe, ten minutes
to do this.

I emailed my dad,
and, um,

bought a plane ticket home.

And as soon as I, like,
hit send on that email,

he cut the power.

[electricity powering down]

He cut the email
and he cut the power.

He was pounding on the door.

Mad, screaming,
just screaming.

And he left.

And he got a gun.

And he came back.

I was hiding
beneath the benches.

I'd made some friends
by that point.

And I texted my friends.

And I said,
"Guys, you gotta come get me."

Like, and he could have
broken in.

He didn't.
I don't know if he went

back in the house
or what happened.

But my friends came
to get me.

And they escorted me out.

And hid me
at a relative's house.

And, uh, took me to the plane
the next morning.

When I first got home,
I contacted the FBI

about what had happened to me
in Belize.

Unfortunately, they have

no jurisdiction in Belize.

Um, so nothing could be done.

I'm mad at myself
for not realizing

who he was sooner.

'Cause he's dangerous.

♪♪♪

[Tom] One morning,
John McAfee called me.

And he said,
"I need to chastise this guy.

To teach him
a little respect."

So John asked me

if I could bring
three guys up here.

Three bad, mean-ass
looking guys.

To slap him up a little

and tell him,
"Be careful."

So I did.

[Nanette] Where did you
find them?

[Tom] In a place called
George Street

in Belize City.

They were very much a part of
the bad boys of George Street.

They were paid
3 grand, U.S.

I brought them up
to Orange Walk.

They knew what
they needed to do.

I left them here.

I recall seeing
a police officer

at the roadway,
right at the barrier

where the tollbooth is.

Then John said,
"Oh, he's on our side.

He's on our team."

[dog barking]

[Nanette] So did they beat him
up when they caught him?

[Tom] He told me he wanted
to talk to the guy personally.

I suggested to him
that that's not a good idea.

He said, "No, I just want
to talk to him."

I think he wanted
to make his point, like,

"Don't fuck with me."

Somehow they led him up
to the vehicle

and put him inside the vehicle
to talk to John

for about four
or five minutes.

Then John drove off.

[Nanette] David was taken
to the hospital.

Police--did they talk to him?

[man] Yeah.

[Nanette] So why
didn't he tell them?

David Middleton is still
clinging to life

at the Karl Heusner
Memorial Hospital.

He is still under coma.

Before he slipped
into a coma,

Middleton told police
that he had been abducted,

beaten, and stabbed by two men

who came to his house
in Orange Walk.

He says he did not know
either of the men,

who drove
a white pickup truck.

He died on Friday
at the KHMH,

and it is now
a murder investigation.

And then he died.

I said, "Oh, fuck."

I had a vehicle
fit the description

of the one they said
this guy was picked up in.

So I--I got nervous, really.

I was just waiting around
to see if an investigation's

gonna happen,
if somebody's gonna

show up at my door
and want me

for questioning or something,
you know?

I didn't sign up for that.

That's not what
I had in mind at all.

[Nanette] I reached out
to David Middleton's family

and they provided me
with pictures,

but they decided
not to be on camera.

They were afraid that it would
put their lives in danger.

They told me that
when they tried to find out

what happened to David,

they were warned to stop
asking questions

and to leave the country.

They called him MAC-10

because when he pissed off,
what's what he use, a MAC-10.

speaking Spanish

speaking Spanish

I hear one was looking
for the other to kill him,

and the other was looking for
the other to kill him, and--

But I also remember
John told me

that people who was
his enemies,

who's out there
trying to harm him,

he goes and hires them.

Like, keep your enemy
as close as you can.

From that time, you know,
I started working for him.

♪♪♪

[Nanette] John's desire
to live without limits

was extending into
every part of his life.

♪ pensive music ♪

♪♪♪

[John] I live a lifestyle
which might be

over the line
of normal behavior.

It's a lot of fun.

I get to hang out
with cute girls

who are scantily clad.

I do have teenage girlfriends.

And many at a time.

Nothing illegal.

They're well beyond
the age of consent.

And I've--I see
nothing wrong with it,

and if you do,
then that's okay.

[Nanette] How many girlfriends
did he have?

Ooh.
[laughs]

I can't keep count, um--

I would say at least
five or six girls, you know,

that live in at the house.

He was Belize's
Donald Trump. [laughs]

This dog here,
I got him from John.

♪ dreamy music ♪

♪♪♪

[Paz] Majority of John's
girlfriends,

I was the one introduced John
with the girlfriends.

[Shakira] Paz is who
introduced me to John.

He'd tell me,
"Oh, there's a guy

who's paying
a lot of money

just to sleep with him
one night."

So I said,
"Well, okay."

I used to get $900 per day.

Yeah, John used to
pay me good.

I needed the money, too,
at that time,

'cause I had my baby girl.

So I had to
buy things for her.

And thank God my little girl
is growing up.

[chuckles]

I used to drive around
in a vehicle

that John would offer me,
finding girls.

Probably I introduced
35-40 girls.

Yeah.

[Samantha] I was 18
when I met him.

I fell out of school
because of

the financial problems
of my parents.

That's why I went to his house
and asked for a job

and I started working.

♪♪♪

He started giving me,
like, presents

a few days after we started
dating then.

He treat me good,
so I started liking him.

These were young women

who had very challenging
life situations.

They have horror stories
of what happened in their past.

So he didn't need to say,
"Well, I'm going to pay them

into prostitution."

No, it wasn't that.

It was simply,
here's a rich guy

who is just willing
to take them in.

Um, one morning,

I was sleeping
in the bedroom

and my stepfather came
and touched my private parts.

I went to tell my mom,
my mom just cried.

So I got fed up with it

'cause she never believes.

So I went, then he said,
"Get out of the house."

So I packed my bag
and I went.

I had to stop school.

And that's when I got
to John McAfee.

Then he gave me money
to go to school.

Then after that
he start calling me,

and asked me to go there,
and I told him okay,

it's not a problem.

So I went there.

And I sleep with him.

John said, "You are not
the only girl.

I have more than one
girls here.

I don't want no fighting,
and I'll treat all the same."

I was pretty young,
so I'd be like, "Okay."

Everyone wanted to be
number one, you know?

And they were just
another number. [chuckles]

He treat me the best.

He takes me out on lunch.

He take us to San Pedro Town,
go shopping.

John McAfee used to
treat me--

well, I say the best.

He's always around me,

and when they call him
he would just

cut off his phone
'cause he's with me.

He would spend most of the time
with me in the room.

And he would bring me breakfast,
and, you know--

He treated all the girls,
them, nice.

Tell them they're beautiful,

and the right stuff
the girls wanna hear. [laughs]

I think they'll stay there
for the money at first

and then most of them,
eventually,

had real,
true feelings for him.

They're young, too.

It was exciting for them,
living in this big house,

and having trips and stuff
that they wouldn't normally

would have if they didn't
meet Mr. John.

[Nanette] Had you ever lived
like that before?

No.

[Nanette] Had you ever

had sex for money
prior to that or--

No.

That was my first time.

I was ashamed,
but then I got used to it.

[Nanette] What did he
have you do?

Um, sit on this hammock,

the hammock has a hole.

He puts you in a hammock.

Then after that he lies
under the hammock.

Then he, um--

You know, he would cut--

cut a little hole,
and he would sit there.

[Nanette] Mm-hmm.

That's what he use it for.

'Cause he--he wanted
to have, like,

scat sex then, and I didn't
agree with that.

[Nanette] What is scat sex?

It when you poop
in someone's mouth.

He used to make you
shit in his mouth.

Like that.
[laughs]

I never had done that before

and it was an experience
for me, and--

He puts his in
under your butt and...

he ask you to shit
in his mouth, and so--

[Nanette] Did he ever have
regular intercourse--

- like, vaginal intercourse?
- No, no.

None of that.

That was only thing I did.

I think I was grateful,

because I wanted
to finish school.

And, um, he was helping me.

So I didn't care about
what he did.

So, um, I was worrying about
finishing school

and doing something
with my life.

♪♪♪

[John] When I moved
to the village of Carmelita,

I decided I would try
to clean it up.

And to do it legally,

well, it makes sense
to hire off-duty officers

to collect information.

And from that information,

maybe they can go
and do something.

And they did.

I have an officer living
on my compound.

It makes me feel safe.
Makes me feel safer

to know that all the criminals
that might want to rob me

know there's
a policeman living there.

And they think there's
something wrong with that.

[dogs barking]

[imitates dog barking]

♪♪♪

[John] I was awoken
at 6:00 a.m. by a commotion.

Megaphones and dogs barking
and people yelling.

And I went outside
and saw 42 soldiers

in attack formation,
coming down the driveway

with automatic weapons.

[man] Load!

[Nanette] What's the GSU?

[Mark] I would like to think
that they are

this specialist
group of police officers

who pride themselves
as being incorruptible.

[man] Make weapon ready!
[guns cocking]

[Daniel]
They are special forces.

The maximum military thing
that the country has.

Because if you think
you get away

with the police, okay, fine.

These guys, they don't come
to play with you.

These guys are coming for you.

[men shouting]

[John] I'm pushed up
against the wall.

Handcuffed, searched.

They show me a warrant.
I didn't get a chance

to read it.

I spent the next 14 hours
handcuffed.

[Nanette] Why did the GSU decide
to raid McAfee's compound?

Intelligence at the time
suggested that McAfee

was mass-producing narcotics

or some
psychotropical substance

that he was offering
for sale, unrivaled.

[Nanette] What did they find?

What did you guys find,
exactly?

[Mark] Besides the arms
and the amount of security,

there was some blocks
of something

that he was producing
that resembled

methamphetamine or cocaine.

It was built like that.
It was produced like that.

But when tested,
it did not in fact

reveal the properties

that would have
rendered him liable

for criminal prosecution.

[John] They took me
to Belize City.

They charged me
with having one firearm

without a license.

It took the intervention
of the U.S. embassy

to get me out.

They were planning
on trying to find a way

to charge me for having
an unlicensed lab.

The lab was shut down
18 months ago.

Even if I did need a license,

it's no longer relevant.

McAfee says he's a victim

because he didn't
donate money

to a known UDP
Orange Walk politician.

[John] A representative of the
government came by and said,

"Why don't you donate
$2 million to the party?"

I said, "Get the fuck
off my property."

A week later, 42 armed soldiers
stormed my compound.

And I'm just sitting down
with Reuters News.

So now I'm going public
with this.

And so I went I went
to the world press.

And now I'm a danger
to the government.

They talk about murdering me.

They talk about murdering
all my cohorts and friends.

They talk about
planting drugs and guns.

I was terrified now

that they were coming for me.

♪♪♪

[Cassian laughs]

♪♪♪

When he came back,

then he brought the entourage
of all the bodyguards,

all of the prostitutes
and girls that were with him.

To see somebody
on a tourist beach,

and they have two or three
armed guards,

that's very intimidating

to the tourists
as well as the locals.

It disturbed the locals
quite a bit.

McAfee had a reputation
in the neighborhood.

Greg said he's just
a rich American

and he's just terrorizing
the neighborhood.

Greg was very vocal
of not liking McAfee

and I heard from other people

that McAfee didn't like Greg.

I think he lived
600 feet south

of John McAfee on the beach.

Gregory Faull,
he came to retire in Belize,

and because he was
into construction,

he was going to build
and sell homes

and that's how
he was surviving.

So this was
a hard-working man.

[Eddie]
Greg, he always told me,

"You know, I love to walk
from my house

down the beach
to Rojo Lounge.

To go to eat and have
a few drinks."

He says, "But McAfee
has armed guards on the beach.

Not one.
Several.

Including some mean dogs."

[Tamara] His dogs ran loose
on the beach

and they were
really ferocious dogs.

And I even remember
walking by there one time

and these dogs were just--

really lay into you.

[dog barks]

Greg went to McAfee's house.

[dog barks]

And said, "John, you gotta
take care of these dogs.

They're disturbing
the neighborhood."

And John reached over
to one side

and came back
with a 12-gauge shotgun,

cycled the shotgun,
says, "Get off my property

or I'll shoot your ass."

[Eddie] Greg came to me
and he says,

"Eddie, I got this problem

that is not going
to go away."

So I told him, "This is not
something to play with.

Go to the police.
Make a report."

[Daniel] Greg did put a
complaint against John's dogs.

And I did respond to Greg.

[dog barks]

[Eddie] The Mayor says,
"I've talked to the police

to go up there
and deal with it,"

but that didn't change him.

Why would it change a man

who is buttering the police

with Tasers, with vehicle,
with guns?

[Tamara] Greg Faull had
had it with those dogs,

and said,
"I'm gonna poison those dogs."

A day later,
John's dogs were poisoned.

About 12 in the night,
one of the security came

and said that the dogs

is foaming through their mouth.

So he went
and he saw the dog.

And then he said, you know,
"The dogs have been poisoned."

That's what he said.

The first thing
came in his mind

was that it was his neighbor.

- [Nanette] Greg?
- Mm, Gregory Faull.

♪♪♪

He got his shotgun.

And I said,
"What are you gonna do?"

And he said he is gonna take

the dog out of their misery.

And then he started crying.

I never saw him cry
until that day.

And, um, he went to the dogs

and he shot the dogs.

[Marcia] He was walking, like,
from one side of the room

to the other side.

While he was walking,
he was smoking

cigarette after cigarette,

cigarette after cigarette,
cigarette after cigarette.

He said, "I wonder
if it's Greg Faull

that poisoned my dogs."

You know?

[man] Oh, look.
Look who's here.

- [man] Nice to see you, man.
- [man] Oh, how are you?

[Eddie] He left me a message
that night,

saying that, "There's somebody
in my yard."

[bird chirping]

And I said,
"Do you want me to come up?"

"No, no," he says.
"It's okay.

I just wanted you to know."

He was nervous,
that's why he called me.

He says, um,
"I don't feel good about it."

[water splashing]

[wood pounding]

- [gunshot]
- [bird squawks]

The next day,
Mr. Faull was found dead.

[seagulls squawking]

[Eddie] In the morning, early,
my nephew, Finn,

calls me and he says,

"Tio, have you heard?"

I said, "Heard what, Finn?"

He says, "Greg is dead."
I says, "Oh, shit."

I still can't believe it.

[Tamara] There's no sign
of burglary.

Nothing was missing.

The place wasn't ransacked.

It just appeared that he had
basically been executed.

[Nanette] And were there any
other marks on his body?

His whole body
covered in Taser marks,

which were not necessary.

[Art] Sometimes I have visions
of what happens

when you get shot
in the head.

And I just can't believe
it ever happened to my son.

[Nanette] Why were you looking
for John?

Well, because...

Yeah.

[man] A murder in paradise.

Police launch
a full-scale search

for an eccentric American
tycoon, John McAfee.

Some breaking news
from Belize.

John McAfee, who's been
on the run--

[man] John McAfee is a person
of interest

in the murder of his neighbor.

Tech mogul at the center of an
international murder mystery.

Tonight, McAfee is being hunted
for questioning

in the murder of his neighbor.

[Daniel] We had CNN in English,
we had CNN in Spanish,

NBC, ABC, the whole alphabet.

If you're fearing
for your safety,

why not just go in and tell them
what you don't know

- about this murder?
- [John] If I am detained,

this is where people
just simply disappear.

They choke on their own vomit
or hang themselves

or are beaten to death
by fellow prisoners.

[Samantha] John sent me a text
and said,

"We have to move."

And I went to take out money
from John's account.

$2,000.

And I took it where he was
hiding at the boat place.

[Tom] Two days after
the Greg Faull thing,

John calls me and says,
"I need you to keep me safe

and get me
out of the country alive."

♪♪♪

We went to, like,
a Chinese place,

where he started
painting his hair

and that's where
Tom took us.

I had some sleepless nights

because I'd have to get up
and move him

to another location.

Then I start
meeting journalists.

[Samantha] He, um,
contacted the press

'cause he said he wanted
to clear

his side of the story
and why he is on the run.

The search to find John McAfee

began right here
at the airport,

not long after I landed.

And it began
with three simple words.

"Sorry, I'm late."

A prearranged code word
to let me know

I'd met the person who would
take me to McAfee.

[Martin]
And so we get in this cab

and take off on just a crazy
drive through Belize City.

It was like a bad movie.

We were doing, you know,
switchbacks and turnarounds

and then it's like,
"Get out! Get out!"

And then we--he's like,
"No, get in there!"

And it's another cab we get in.
[laughs]

It's not the Belize you see
in the travel pictures.

You know, this is not
the pretty part.

And then eventually,
we stop in the parking lot

of a really
low-rent looking hotel.

When we finally got
to John McAfee,

he's wearing
an outlandish disguise.

Kind of like an old man
with a crippled arm,

powder in his hair
to make himself look old.

And he's walking with a cane.

John McAfee
is coming towards us.

Only it wasn't John McAfee.

It was John McAfee in really--

in a really bad disguise.

We all knew
it was John McAfee.

But your problem is that you
really wanna talk to him,

and I'm afraid that if I say,

"Hey John, how you doing?"

he's going to explode
and--and storm off,

and our opportunity
to interview him would be lost.

So we did what we thought
was the prudent thing to do,

and that was ignore him.

We get up to his hotel room.

And 20 seconds later,
he bursts into the room.

And the shawl he had over his
shoulders, he flings off.

And he shakes his hair
of all this powder.

"Fooled you, didn't I?"

And, of course,
you're like, "Yeah.

You sure did."

And then, there we were.

Face to face.

[Martin]
Did you kill Greg Faull?

I barely knew the man.
And why would I kill him?

He was a neighbor that lived
200 yards down the beach.

[Martin] Do you really believe
that this is a vendetta

by the government of Belize

- to take you down and kill you?
- Absolutely, sir.

You're sincerely concerned
that if you somehow wind up

in their custody, they're going
to assassinate you?

[John] Absolutely.

[man] Do you really think
they would kill you?

[John] Absolutely, I do, sir.

[Art] It was all about McAfee.

Everything that we've ever seen

was McAfee, McAfee, McAfee,

who murdered
an American businessman.

McAfee who did this,
McAfee who did that.

But there wasn't very much,

uh, publicity for my son.

McAfee found a way
to keep the attention on him.

We have a President,
a Prime Minister,

you have the Mayor of San Pedro,

the Minister of Tourism,

all giving interviews

about a man who's just
bat-shit crazy.

Well, I've never met the man.

Don't know what
he looks like.

Uh, I don't want
to be unkind,

but it strikes me
that he's extremely paranoid.

In fact, I would go so far
as to say bonkers.

[Tom] By then, everybody know
who is John McAfee.

I couldn't hide him no more.

So we drove
to the southernmost border

with Guatemala.

It's 200 miles south
of Belize City.

He saw me bullshit my way
through many checkpoints

in the time we knew each other.

He knew I could get him out.

[Nanette] So how did you
get him out of the country?

I--we just put him on a boat

and dump him on land
in Guatemala.

We didn't--no customs,
no immigration, no nothing.

That's illegal.

I told him I could've gotten
his passport legally stamped

in a place called
Puerto Barrios.

But once he knew he was
getting out in a boat,

he took complete control.

He's John again.

He does what he wants to do.

All my advice to him never
really mattered anymore.

He's John McAfee now.

The great escape.
[laughs]

♪♪♪

[John] I could walk into
the police station,

ask directions, and they would
give me directions.

[Jose] VICE TV followed him

and they just decide to take
a picture with the iPhone.

[Samantha]
They found out his location.

[Nanette]
How did that happen?

With some picture
that VICE took with GPS

where it was on
or something like that.

[Jose] You know, you had VICE TV
posting that picture

that does give away
his location.

He was undone by that
in Guatemala.

You know, the tech guy.
Who would have thunk?

Now he's in trouble
with Guatemala

by entering the country
illegally.

That's when I told him,
you know,

"I have an uncle
who could help you.

I think he could be your lawyer

and take you out of
the country if you want."

[woman] McAfee, who is wanted
for questioning

in connection
with a murder in Belize,

says he will be seeking
asylum in Guatemala

and has retained high-profile
Guatemalan attorney

and former attorney general
Telésforo Guerra.

[Nanette] So when he was
in Guatemala,

was he still considered
a suspect, or was he--

[Nanette] So you tried
to have him extradited?

[Nanette] Interpol discovered
John's exact location.

And VICE was the only camera
crew to capture his arrest.

- [man] What's the problem?
- They're trying to arrest me

for coming into the country
illegally.

Can't they take me back
to Belize tonight?

- No, never. Never, never.
- Are you sure?

Can you promise me, sir?
Because I'm not worried

- about anything else.
- Of course, they won't

take you to Belize, no.
Never, never.

[Telésforo]
I will go with you.

[man] Whoa, whoa, wait.

[woman]
"Thank God I'm in a place

where there is some sanity."

Those were the words John McAfee
said before being arrested

in Guatemala City
on Wednesday night

for illegal entry.

[John] I was put in jail,
and the following morning,

they were intending
to deport me

back to Belize.

My lawyer came to my cell.

"He said, I cannot file
an appeal until three o'clock.

So until three,
they can deport you."

He said,
"Do you understand?"

I go, "Yes,
I understand fully."

[man] Within sight
of the assembled cameras,

John McAfee suddenly swooned,

and appeared
to lose consciousness.

[sirens wail]

[John] So I chose to fake
a heart attack.

[man] John McAfee
was rushed to a hospital,

complaining of chest pains.

[woman] Quite a scene
was created,

as an ambulance took him

from an immigration
detention center.

[John] They took me to
the hospital at three o'clock,

when I knew the appeal
had been filed.

I said, "I feel better.
I wanna go back to prison,

to my cell, thank you."

And that's what they did.

And an appeal meant
that it would be

15 years before they could
deport me back to Belize.

Well, it was not in Guatemala's
interest to keep me in prison

for that many years,
so I was deported

to the States,
which is what I wanted.

This afternoon, he boarded
a flight back to Florida.

[man] Amid a media frenzy,
Guatemalan police

forced him aboard
a U.S.-bound flight.

[woman] Software developer
John McAfee

has returned
to the United States.

[man] The software pioneer
is still wanted

for questioning in the murder
of an American citizen

in Belize,
but he's free for now.

And at the moment,
he's still not charged

with any crime.

I cannot help but feel
that he enjoyed,

in his mind, playing the role
of kind of a puppet master.

He had a plan,

and he was orchestrating
that plan.

What's a better story?

Millionaire mad man
on the run.

But you saved my [bleep].
Why?

'Cause you paid attention
to the story.

Because you acted
like a mad man?

I did, and it worked.

[Art] It's something
that I guess I have to learn

to realize that it's something

that I can't do anything about.

I can't rectify it.

I can't solve it.

I can't punish anybody.

I can't do anything except

regret the loss of my son.

And, uh--

I don't know what else
to say about it.

[Nanette] Mm-hmm.

Is it DNA tested?

We do not have the level
of forensic expertise

to prosecute a crime like that.

- [Nanette] Right.
- That is a matter of fact.

We've barely begun
to touch fingerprinting,

that sort of thing.

And our murder/conviction rate
is below 3%.

- [Nanette] Really?
- No.

[Nanette] And who was
at John's house at the time?

[Nanette] Mm-hmm.

[Nanette] Cash had not
been easy to find.

Because he didn't want
to be found.

Finally, his friend
Eddie Halliday

urged him to talk to me.

[laughs]

- You know?
- [Nanette] He was asking

to put money
in people's bank accounts?

[Nanette] So, tell me about
what happened

with Greg Faull.

[Nanette] What guy's account?

[Samantha]
I was with him the night

when his neighbor got shot.

He was with me in the room.

Like, four in the morning,
he was still there.

[thunder booms]

[golf cart motor trilling]

[Nanette]
And what was he like?

You know, this, that.

[Nanette] Any time in that
period that Greg was killed,

did you ever see Eddie Mac,
or MAC-10 at the house?

He wasn't there the night
dog was poisoned.

In morning he was there.

I saw that guy--
this dark-skinned guy.

MAC-10 they call him, yeah.

I only saw him, like,
just I got a glimpse of him.

He was in the hall
talking to him.

And I just came in,
got a juice,

and I went back in the room.

[Nanette] Did you ever
see him again?

No, I never saw him again.

[Nanette] To do what?

You know, to kill the guy.

[Nanette] Did the police
ever question you

about the murder
of Greg Faull?

Well, you know--

You know?

[Nanette] I was trying to find
Eddie McKoy

to ask him about
these new allegations.

Eventually, he agreed
to meet me a second time.

What new information
do you have for me?

[Nanette] Well,
I've looked into that.

Okay, all right.
Where were you

when Greg Faull was killed?

So can you tell me
the real story?

So around that time,
did John ask you

to do something
and give you any money?

Like $5,000?

- [Nanette] Mm-hmm.
- No.

- [Nanette] No?
- No, never.

[Nanette]
Why are you smiling?

- [Nanette] No?
- No.

[Nanette]
So you didn't get $5,000

wired into your account?

So some people said
they saw you that night.

And--and you went
to John's house.

No.

- Oh, no. Never.
- [Nanette] Never?

- Never.
- [Nanette] Okay.

[Nanette] So you
were not hired by John

- to kill Greg Faull?
- No, no. Never.

[Nanette] And if you were,
would you tell me?

No, I--well--

[Nanette] Mm-hmm.
All right--

[Nanette] So I--
I'm just trying to understand

why someone would say this.

- [Nanette] I cannot tell you.
- Okay.

[Nanette]
Did you have an alibi?

So...

[Nanette] Mm-hmm.

I wanted to check out
Eddie's alibi.

But it felt
way too dangerous.

Going around George Street
and asking questions?

Not a good idea.

♪ upbeat pop music ♪

♪ I'm going underground ♪

♪ Gonna lose myself
in the crowd ♪

♪ Forget my troubles... ♪

[Martin] Now he's back
in the United States,

and so many people,
they would come up to me

and say, "Hey, did they ever
catch that guy?" [laughs]

♪ And it's all over now ♪

[Martin] Remember
that crazy time in Belize?

It was as if
it hadn't happened.

[Nanette] It looked like John
had lived the full fantasy

of an ugly American
living large

in a poor
Central American country.

He had apparently gotten away
with possible murder and rape,

buying the police,
buying young women,

indulging in bizarre,
degrading sex,

all seemingly
without consequence.

So I gotta keep the public
interested in me, right?

- Yep.
- Well, I can do it

by doing
any number of things.

Being a bad guy,
being a good guy,

being a fool,
being all three at once.

Uh, whatever it takes.

He goes from running away

from something
to now running for.

And in this case,
he wanted to be

President of the United States.

[woman] Antivirus software
industry pioneer, John McAfee,

throwing his hat into
the 2016 presidential ring.

Have you actually filed yet, and
have you started to raise money?

I filed the papers on Tuesday.

Uh, I'm officially running,
yes, ma'am.

We all know he likes attention.

Okay, so,
at any point in time,

if he's not getting as much

media attention
as he would like,

then he'll absolutely
do something outrageous,

say something outrageous,
post something outrageous.

Spy cameras are hidden
in cactuses.

The government
surreptitiously parses

our verbal communications.

And the concept of privacy

is fast approaching extinction.

Running for president
is pretty outrageous.

Mr. McAfee, as president,
what would you do about ISIS?

ISIS is a problem
of intelligence gathering

more than anything else.

I mean, we have the capacity--
certainly--

is anybody doing terrorist acts
inside of China?

Or inside of Russia?
No, it just doesn't happen.

They are so far ahead of us
from a cybersecurity standpoint,

meaning, intelligence gathering
in the modern age.

[applause]

[Nanette] While John was
running for president,

the investigation into
Greg Faull's murder continued.

In early 2016,
the Belizean police force

asked the FBI for assistance.

This allowed FBI agents
to investigate

and potentially try the case
in the United States

if they were able to collect
enough evidence.

Tonight, there is a report
that Amy Emshwiller,

one of McAfee's girlfriends
at the time,

has been detained
for questioning

in the murder of Faull.

She was picked up
by the police,

who have been working
with the FBI

to crack the homicide.

[phone line trilling]

- [Santiago] Hello?
- [Nanette] Hi, Santiago.

It's Nanette.

I was just checking in
to see if there's been

any progress since you
interviewed Amy and--

- [Nanette] Eddie McKoy?
- [Santiago] Yeah.

[Nanette] I couldn't believe
that John's girlfriend

also fingered Eddie McKoy.

It echoed what Cash told me.

But without a DNA test
to match the fingernail,

there's not enough evidence
to make any arrests.

They would have to find Eddie
to see if his DNA matched.

A few days later,
Eddie emailed me.

He's leaving Belize.
For good.

So why are you leaving?

[Nanette] Someone shot at you
in your home?

[Nanette] Does it have anything
to do with John?

Or is it entirely separate
business?

[Nanette] Why do you think
he wants to hurt you?

[Nanette]
What you told me is not--

- [Nanette] I mean, other--
- [Eddie] Oh, yeah, yeah.

- [Eddie] You know--
- [Nanette] But not everything.

[Nanette]
It's too complicated?

[Eddie] And, you know?

[Nanette]
Are you leaving tomorrow?

♪ pensive music ♪

[Nanette] John was attending
a Libertarian debate

in New York.

We had been emailing,
texting,

talking on the phone all year.

But this would be
the first time

I was meeting him
face-to-face.

[woman] He's doing very well
in the polls.

- [Nanette] Okay.
- He's one of

the top three candidates

in the Libertarian Party.

- [Nanette] Yes.
- So let's go in.

[Nanette] Okay.

[crowd chattering]

You ready?

John, I wanted
to congratulate you.

- On--on what?
- On your campaign.

- Oh, our cam--
- You've done so well.

- Thank you very much.
- Are you feeling optimistic?

- Oh, absolutely.
- Yeah.

I don't see how I can lose.
I'm serious.

- Mm-hmm.
- So, um, I mean,

based on the numbers--
they just tell me by numbers

that--that I have it.

Are you still in touch
with people from Belize?

Of course, yes,
I have many friends there.

- Do you recognize me?
- I do not.

- You don't?
- No.

- I'm Nanette.
- You are Nanette.

- Yes.
- Oh, okay.

Well, nice to meet you,
Nanette.

- Nice to meet you.
- And are these your people?

- These are my people.
- Okay, please turn

- your cameras off.
- Why?

I do not want to be
on your camera.

[announcer] Can I have your
attention, please?

We're in a public event.

[announcer] Can I have all
of the state officers,

the new ones, all of
the delegates from the counties,

step into the hallway out there

where we can have a meeting
where it's a little bit quiet.

- Thank you very much.
- Thank you.

[Nanette]
Are you leaving, John?

Bye.

[Nanette]
Less than one hour later,

John sent me
a flurry of emails.

Each one more hostile
than the last.

♪ ominous music ♪

♪♪♪

A few weeks later,
at the Libertarian Primary,

John came in second,
losing out to Gary Johnson.

But he continues
to be considered

a major player
in the cybersecurity world.

We are told by the corporations
in power, and our government,

that if we have nothing to hide,

then why should we care?

[Nanette] He was named CEO
of MGT Capital Investments.

And after the announcement,
the stock rose over 700%.

I have him on Google Alerts,

and every day
there are multiple stories

in the mainstream press

about John being
a cybersecurity expert.

He's legitimized himself again.

It's an amazing transition.

He is talking about
Internet security.

He's talking about iPhones.
You know, he's talking about

real privacy,
security issues of our times.

And he's doing it
with the authoritative,

"I'm John McAfee.

I'm not that John McAfee

who was chasing through
the jungle on the run."

This is the John McAfee,
now back to his namesake,

online security, kind of, guru.

Even my friends, you know,
they think,

"Oh, he's that, you know,
he's that security genius.

You know, McAfee Software."

They--they think he's a rebel,
like I did.

I mean, they think
he's eccentric.

They think,
"Oh, he's a cokehead."

You know?
"Ah, who cares?

As long as he's got
brilliant ideas."

That's what I thought.

And I see him regaining that--

you know, that reputation.

It's the same exact pattern.

He's trying
to reinvent himself.

He's getting young,
impressionable people involved.

And he's dangerous.

♪ instrumental piano music ♪

♪♪♪

♪♪♪

[man] Oh, well.

[man] No.