Don't Call Me Bigfoot (2020) - full transcript

- Bigfoot, it's name the
common vernacular Bigfoot,

comes from the large tracks that it left.

Early miners and explorers would find

these large tracks in the dirt,

and whoa, Bigfoot, you
know, very original.

Kind of like the guy from Texas
who's name is Tex, you know?

It's very funny how that happens.

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- A lot of people in the
field of cryptozoology,

and cryptozoology means the
study of unknown animals,



you know, just like an unknown ape

that hasn't been found yet,

or some class of fish
that hasn't been found.

That's in definitive terms,

that's what cryptozoology is,

but over the years, a lot
of other weirder creatures

have been reported that

people have seen Bigfoot type creatures

vanish in a flash of light,

or they'd been seen at the same location,

and time as UFOs, and Bigfoot together.

You know, a lot of people in cryptozoology

have no time for those stories.

They're just unknown animals.



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- I've been interested in Bigfoot,

and related subjects
since I was a little kid.

In fact, when I went to college,
I majored in psychology,

and anthropology specifically second

pursued a Bigfoot angle.

- My mom, when she went to
school, she studied anthropology.

So she is a big anthropology buff,

and being in the woods
eight, or nine, 10 years old,

talking to my mom, all
the other kinds of stuff.

Oh yeah, she was very always
a proponent of Bigfoot.

My mom's a big believer in Bigfoot,

so it's one of the few things
I can talk about my mom with,

you know, it's like,
you know, hey, Bigfoot.

So growing up I was always
out in the woods camping

while a lot of friends were out surfing,

and gonna the beach,

my family, we were
always out in the woods.

- I love it all.

I'm always in search of Bigfoot.

So being born, and raised
in Washington State,

one of the biggest hotspots

in the whole world is now Adam's area.

Gosh, I listen to so many podcasts

geeking out on that kind of stuff,

because, so I love to climb mountains.

I love to be out in nature,

and do adventure sports,
whatever you want to call it.

So I spend a lot of time in the woods,

and there are times where
I'm by myself as well,

and you feel when you go in
different places in the woods,

you feel different energies
as you're going through.

Sometimes the hair will stand
up on the back of your neck,

other times you'll feel
like total euphoria,

and yet you can't see anything around you,

and you're like, you can't
help, but wonder like,

what is going on?

There's clearly something going on here,

but I can't see it.

- The first book I even
remember having as a kid

was like a comic book on UFO stories,

and monsters, and that sort of thing,

and that piqued my interest,

and then one day "In Search of"

came on TV with Leonard Nimoy,

and they had a Yeti episode,

and that's pretty much
what started my obsession.

- And a number of years back.

I had an encounter with my brother in law

at my father-in-law's
property in the Sierras,

and we were on that fire road,

and we were hunting,
we were coyote hunting.

Now I'm not really a big predator hunter,

but he wanted to go.

So I went with him, and
we set up this, we kind of

hide it under this big giant Oak tree,

and we had these rocks, and
we were kind of up on a hill,

and there's this big clearing,

and he set out this coyote call,

which is this horrible speaker.

You press buttons, and it
does wounded rabbit call,

and Diane calf's call,

and it was echoing all through the Canyon,

and he had these little look
like fox tails on a thing

that bounced around to
try to attract a predator.

I'd kind of been into Bigfoot before that,

like interested you watch
the shows on TV, and stuff,

but we're up there, and
we're all camouflaged out,

and we got our rifles, and
we're all hiding in the bushes,

and I just remember thinking
to myself, predator call, wow,

I wonder if we call in something
else other than coyotes.

We're sitting there, it's
starting to get dark,

kind of getting really hard to see.

I kind of hear something behind me

coming through the leaf litter,

and it's almost like a
squirrel, or like a step,

then a step, but it's
pretty far behind me,

and it's faint, and whoosh, a rock,

big old rock flies right over my shoulder,

crunches in the dirt, bounce up.

I start looking around.

What was that?

My brother-in-law kind of jumps back,

and we're looking at each other,

and we're like, what was that?

Was that a coyote?

He's like, I don't know what,
we should get outta here.

So we very quickly just
basically got up, and left,

and on the way out he grabbed his call,

and we were on the fire road
going back to the main road,

and we could hear footsteps behind us.

We'd hear two, or three
steps, we take a few steps,

and we could kinda hear
something behind us,

and we turn around with our flashlights.

Hello, anybody there?

Couldn't see anything.

We take a few steps and
it sounded like something

was trailing us out,

and every once in a while
you'd hear a tree snap,

or something behind us,

and then you'd hear maybe something else.

Come to find out,

there are a lot of Bigfoot
sightings in this area.

That particular encounter was
very physical, was very here.

I did feel a pretty good
sense of dread that day.

Like I said, because I didn't
know what was going on.

Something's thrown a
rock, and we got rifles,

and we got flashlights,
and stuff we can't see.

We know something's out there.

Something threw a rock, there's footsteps.

It's really fascinating
when you get in there,

and then you start to think,

well maybe there is more
to this Bigfoot thing.

- To me, you know, I was always
a big animal lover as a kid,

and the fact that we can have an animal

that's very similar to man

that was still around in the world,

that undiscovered just, I've
always loved exploration.

I was a kid, I always wanted
to go around the corner,

and to me that was like the
ultimate corner, you know,

just as a child, and it
was like, it was almost,

it was like romantic fantasy
in a lot of ways, but it was,

it seems so real.

At age 12 we moved to
London for about six months,

and I remember going to a bookstore,

and it had a book on the Lochness monster,

and I remember asking the
lady at the book store,

do you have any other books
on these types of subjects?

And she had a general book,
and different mysteries,

and it was Bigfoot, Yeti,
you know Lochness, UFOs,

and that was sort of my
first exposure to Bigfoot,

because all I knew about it
was the Yeti at the time.

- And for me Bigfoot was always,

I don't even remember when the
first time I heard about it,

I mean seven, or eight years old.

You could probably go
back in time, and ask me,

you know what Bigfoot is?

Like, yeah, he's a big hairy man.

So I remember seeing Harry and
Anderson's when I was a kid,

because they came out in the 80s.

Some of the old "In Search
of" stuff with Leonard Nimoy.

There's always some kind of,
and there still is in this day,

but there was always some
kind of a documentary,

or special where they have
the Patterson Gamblin film,

and my mom, she's not an anthropologist

that she does that for living,

but that's what she got
her college degree in.

It's a good filter to put on

when you're looking at
the Bigfoot subject,

because when you look at like
the stuff that Dr. Meldrum,

and even Cliff Brachman does,

where they look at the
morphology of tracks,

the type of locomotion, the
weight, the build of the foot,

the structure of the body based on a foot,

the positioning of bones being different

than a human when you upscale,

because you're take a human,

and you upscale them to 800 pounds,

we're not very proportioned for that,

but if you move some leg bones,

and make some things thicker,
and some things wider,

you could very easily get a
bipedal creature that big,

and have it be very, very fast.

So when you look at the
anthropology section of it,

it gets into that,

and explains a lot of the
physicality of these creatures,

and what people report.

- Well, so originally the original model

when I came out of school was that

we had the split between us and the apes

7 million years ago, right, theoretically.

We didn't know anything prior to that.

We knew very little about
gorillas, and chimps,

evolutionary history past that,

because there aren't a lot of fossil.

You know, the biggest ape
we have are Gigantopithecus,

extinct about 300,000 years
ago, but all we had was teeth,

and little bit of a jaw bone.

So we knew very little.

On the human side we went
straight from Australopithecus

down to Homo habilis, to Homo erectus,

and eventually gave way to
Neanderthals, and Homo sapiens,

and those are the only two

that were known to live side by side.

In the last 10 years that's
changed dramatically.

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- A few years ago, remember
the big thing in the news

when they discovered the human hobbit,

which is Homo floresiensis, I believe,

which was in Southeast Asia.

It was a race of humans
that were three, and a half,

three feet tall,

very close to anatomically modern humans

lived at the same time
as a lot of humans did,

but they were just small.

We're not talking dwarfism.

We're not talking a genetic mutation.

We're just talking through evolution,

or whatever means necessary creation,

whatever you want to believe,

they're a small race of people,

and it was last year they
they came across the demo,

the Denisovans, or whatever it was,

I believe in Europe where
there were some other offshoot.

They weren't humans, they
weren't Neanderthals.

They were something else,

and they were built quite robust,

and you look at Homo heidelbergensis,

there were built, you know,
where their leg muscles,

and they can tell from.

It's amazing what they can tell from bone,

from ligament attachment,

and muscle attachment to
how strong, and bulky,

and some of the recreations
of some of the early humans,

these were big tough
people, you know harry,

very muscular rundown animals,
had to fight for a living.

You know, and you look
at the fossil record,

and they're discovering
things all the time.

There's a theory that modern Bigfoot

is a descendant of Gigantopithecus

or Gigantopithecus blacki.

They've really only
found some jaw fragments,

and some teeth from it, but
they've kind of extrapolated,

and there's some debate
in the zoological world

if they were upright,

or if there were more like
a big walking gorilla,

or if there were more like a Sasquatch,

but from what they can extrapolate
that might be very close

to what a Bigfoot would really look like.

You know, seven, eight,
nine, 10 feet tall,

thousand pound, giant
Orangutang looking ape,

which some people describe.

- We discovered for some apes prior

to our theoretical split
with the, you know,

with the chimps about 8
to 9 million years ago

that might have been geared
towards becoming bipedal,

and since then we've discovered a plethora

of human species hominids in Africa,

in Europe that lived side by
side of with Homo sapiens,

Neanderthals, Denisovans, we
had Homo floresiensis in Asia.

That was alive 40,000 years ago.

In Africa there's Homo naledi,

which was alive 200,000 years ago,

and they had really small
brains like Australopithecus.

They're very, very primitive,
but completely bipedal.

So the model where you know,

certain primitive traits were wiped off

through evolution doesn't exist anymore.

Now we know it's possible to
have something like Bigfoot.

Whether any of those became Bigfoot,

or are cousins of Bigfoot,
we don't know, right.

Genetics, they'll tell
that story down the line,

but the possibilities now

are a lot more open than they were,

at least when I was in school.

- I always, but like I
was saying with UFO stuff,

always had an interest in the paranormal,

and when you look at Bigfoot,

you're like, you want
something to be there,

and you start looking at the
evidence, and you're like,

there is something there,

and then you start experiencing
it, and you're like,

I don't believe I know
there's something there.

- I actually 100% believe Bigfoot exist.

I think we have enough evidence
out there to suggest that

that species is real, 100%.

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So the way I work personally is I,

I have maybe around 20
to 40 areas worldwide,

20 good ones in United
States that I have my eye on.

And that's based on not
just sightings report,

but historical sightings
reports I did back, you know,

hundreds of years,

but also location, does it
make sense biologically?

Is there a water source nearby?

Is there enough places to stay hidden?

Is the population low enough

that it's gonna stay undiscovered,

and then you should if you
can, head out to those spots,

but most of them are pretty remote,

and it's, they're hard
to get to, and you know,

you got to be able to have
the money, and the time.

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- Some Bigfoot researchers
don't like the term Bigfoot.

I kind of get it.

Bigfoot Chronicles doesn't sound as great

as Sasquatch Chronicles.

Some researchers, and some
people have written whole blogs,

and whole books, and
a whole section saying

that they don't really
like the name Bigfoot.

- Well, my specialty is a lot
from a global perspective,

because I believe that it's a
species that exists worldwide,

at least where it's possible.

- He's got to understand,

everybody thinks a Bigfoot

is in the Pacific Northwest in California.

The South, especially
all through East Texas,

they have a huge, huge
population of people

that have experienced Sasquatches.

East Texas is very famous, the land LBL,

the Florida skunk ape.

You know, if you ever heard people,

you ever heard the expression
the boogeyman will get ya,

or the boogers?

Well, down in the South,

their term for Bigfoots are wood boogers.

Watch out for the boogers.

The boogers will get you, the woodboogers.

You hear something
snapping out in the woods.

You hear something
tromping around out there,

something peaking in your tent.

It's a Wood booger,

what it is is a Southern
variety of Sasquatch,

and as we encroach more,
and more into the woods,

and get out there more,

and I think as their
population actually grows,

we're getting more, and more encounters.

Some are friendly, some are
benign, some are not so nice,

and because they're a creature
that has wants and needs,

and their own feelings,
and their own mindset,

and they're gonna do what they want to do.

You know, why did the bear cross the road?

Because it wanted to.

- So originally apes, or hominids,

hominids, everything
came from Africa, right?

So it moved through Europe.

So ground zero for something like Bigfoot

for their common ancestor,

for Bigfoot would be Eurasia for me,

because we have all these fossils

from anywhere from 300,000 years ago,

to a million years ago,

of a plethora of species
that theoretically

could have evolved into
Bigfoot from Eurasia,

and if you look at a map,

and you look at where all
the fossils had been found,

and then you look at another map,

where you get sightings
of Bigfoot type creatures,

they're pretty much on top of one another.

So, for example,

in the Caucasus Mountains
you have the amnesty,

so then you travel
further East into Siberia

where it's called the Tutu now,

which is another Bigfoot type,

which is incidentally is right in front of

where we once had the
Beringian Land Bridge,

which a lot of the peoples

that first populated North America

came through to Beringia Landbridge.

Probably not all of them,

but if you have another bipedal specie,

it would have came
through that Landbridge.

So theoretically the
Tutu now, for example,

could be very closely related to Bigfoot,

and of course we followed a
mountain range into Tibet,

and Nepal, and Bhutan of the Yeti,

across the way to Pamir mountains,

and to China, they call
it the urine, and to me,

I really believe it's the same species

that obviously there's gonna
be some regional differences,

evolutionary differences through time,

or some very minor differences.

You know, like if you look at
all humans across the world,

we have some differences, right?

Genetic differences, this
could be the same case.

So I believe there's only a pathway

out of Africa through Eurasia,

through the mountain
ranges in central Asia,

and up into North America,

and probably down the
coast into South America.

Here's the thing too,

when you start going over to Europe,

and Russia, and Siberia,

it's supposed to be
taken lot more seriously,

by European anthropologists,

so they've done a little more studies,

and they found the same
evidence that we have.

You know, the footprints,

it has some hair samples,
you know, the same,

and it matches perfectly

to what we have here in North America.

So I think again,

it's the matching quality
from different time periods,

from different people,
unrelated countries,

different languages, and all that.

You know, I found to me
is the most compelling.

- But yeah, when you look at
all across the United States,

and you look at what
people are experiencing

in like Maine, and the Northeast,

and compare that to the South,

compare that to the West coast

then compare to at the
Pacific Northwest Canada.

There's a lot of similarities,

but there are differences
from what they're describing.

There are differences in temperament

of the animals, you know,

in the Pacific Northwest,
and Canada, people, you know,

eight, nine, 10 foot tall Sasquatch.

In the South people, yeah,

they're about seven, and a half foot tall,

eight foot tall at the most.

One of the things in biology
research is Bergman's rule.

The farther North you go,

the bigger animals tend to be.

Bears, and mountain
lions tend to be bigger

when you go North.

Not always, there are some
animals that that gets smaller,

but even a coyote in the
desert could weigh 10 pounds.

It's gonna be 40 pounds up in
the North, or in higher areas.

They got to be a bigger, robust species.

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- Every native American
tribe in North America

has a story about the
giant harry, smelling,

giants in the woods, you know?

A lot of them pretty violent,

and then I found that there
was a painting from Mongolia

from the 1800s about that
looks exactly like a Bigfoot,

including the big breast

associated with the Patterson
film, and also it was,

it showed a picture of somebody
getting the arms torn off.

It was talking about
two separate cultures.

Obviously they didn't have
a whole lot in common,

but are depicting the exact same mythology

if you want to call it
mythology, you know?

And what in North America there's what,

maybe 500 names for Bigfoot?

Every tribe has their stories,
you know, early sellers,

I know I have their stories.

Even the Viking supposedly, you know,

encounter the big hairy smelling
guys up in Northern Canada,

or wherever else they,
you know, they landed.

- I think it's kind of
in our modern day hubris

to think that we know
everything, and we're great now,

and people 200 years ago
were stupid, or something.

It's like, no, no, they really weren't.

People 200 years ago

didn't consider themselves old fashioned.

They themselves modern.

They considered themselves educated,

and in fact not being as plugged in,

they were probably way more
aware of their surroundings,

and what were going on
than we are today by far

with all our digital
distractions in our modern life.

So I think it's very important

to look at historical encounters.

One gentleman is Tom Seawood.

He's actually part of
the Kwakwaka'wakw tribe

in the Pacific Northwest,

and he does tours, and
adventures all around Vancouver,

and Vancouver Island, and he's
had a number of encounters,

and being a full fledged tribe member,

he actually talks about their
tribal beliefs of Bigfoot.

For them, they have the Zoona qua,

which is the wild woman of the woods.

It's this big hairy woman
with a Wicker basket,

and it's kind of their
version of a boogeyman.

Don't go out at night,

listen to your parents, don't
go out, and smoke cigarettes.

Don't go out, and steal food.

Don't go out past 10, the
Zoona qa will get you,

and it's way, way back in their tradition.

It was this big hairy woman who
would scoop bad children up,

put her in the basket on her back,

take them out, and eat them.

That was part of their tradition,
kind of their boogeyman,

and for as much as it was
kind of their, you know,

to keep kids at night, don't scare them,

there was also a real tradition,

and the Kwakwaka'wakw tribe,

each family has, you know,
some people have a Thunderbird,

some people have a Cougar,

some people have a bear.

Some people have a Beaver
part of their creation story,

and there are actual families that have,

a Sasquatch is there as their animal,

and to them they have
them on their totem poles.

It's just there are no spirit animals,

and there are no look
flesh, and blood animals.

For a lot of them, it's one in the same.

So a Sasquatch, a Thunderbird,
a bear, a beaver, a squirrel,

they're all the same to them,

and they all recognize
them as being there.

That they also recognize
that the Zoona qua,

the male Zoona qua, and
the female Zoona qua,

the wild woman of the woods,

or referred to as the
wild man of the tribe.

They refer to them as
people quite interestingly,

and if you go 1500 miles to the South,

they have the famous
hairy man cave paintings

with state back 700, or 800,
or a thousand years ago.

This cave where they
have deer, they have elk,

they have bears, and then
they have these big hulking,

very creepy looking large,

which cave paintings of what
appear to be a Sasquatch,

and it definitely looks like a Bigfoot,

and you see a big dad one,

you see a mom one, and you see a baby one,

and he said, well what's the
story behind the hairy man?

And it's strikingly a lot like

the Kwakwaka'wakw tried to say,

hey, don't go out at night.

The hairy man will get you.

We hunt during the day,
they hunt at night.

Women shouldn't travel alone
to go get water, or anything,

because they'll abduct people.

It's the hairy man.

Don't go out at night.

The hairy man will get you,

and if you look all across virtually

every tribe in the United States,

from desert tribes to mountain tribes,

to the Plains tribes,

they all have a tradition of Bigfoot,

whether it's the Genosqua,

the stone giants in from the East coast

to different versions of the word Wendigo,

which everybody thinks of Wendigo

as the native American cannibal spirit.

But there was actually some
translations of Wendigo

that show more of a Sasquatch
creature that ate people,

and for a lot of their ape-like features,

I think there is a lot of
human in these creatures,

and I think that's what does
make them so fascinating

is when you go to the zoo,

and you look at a
gorilla, or a chimpanzee,

you still see an animal,
a very intelligent animal,

but when you think of a Sasquatch,

and then you get in the encounters,

or you experience one of
these things close up,

it's a predator like a human.

It's the master of its
environment, and what makes humans

the dominant species on the
planet is we're intelligent.

We're not necessarily the
biggest, and strongest.

So think of something
that's probably just about

on par with you in intelligence,

but is built like the incredible Hulk,

and that's a very, like you
can do whatever it wants to do,

and you're at their mercy.

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- When I go out in the field,

the first thing I look for obviously

is an area that not just as had siting,

because I think that's overrated,

but an area that makes sense biologically,

in terms of having resources,
and shelter, food, water.

Also it has a long history of sightings,

not just modern sightings, right?

So when you go out in the
woods, you look for science,

for example, broken tree branches,

and granted I gets,
it's a little overrated.

Everybody, you know, unfortunately

that's been featured on finding Bigfoot,

and now everybody thinks

that every broken branch
in the woods is Bigfoot.

You know, the truth is
you go after the snow,

the snow will break branches

when it melts, and so forth,

but if you can find branches
that are twisted for example,

and really big tree
trunks, they've been moved,

or it's a little more
intriguing, you know?

- One of the very,

if I'm going into an area
I've never been before,

or an area I haven't been in a long time,

I go online, and I just start,

the very first thing I do
is background research,

but also if you take a
look, you just Google Earth,

you realize there's
hundreds of miles of trees,

and woods that not only
is there no people around,

people have probably never been

other than flown over,
very rugged terrain,

and there's lots of hiding
places even you know,

quarter mile off of a road, you know?

And you're in some
really deep steep country

that no one's gonna, no one's back there.

Lots of places to hide.

So I start by looking at
historical encounters,

where have people seen before,

what trail heads, and what areas.

Then I look at maps,

start saying what are
some areas where is water?

I was, I'll have to
look in August, October,

especially in Southern California,

the driest time of the year,

because if I can find water on a trail,

or an area, an old dried up pond,

a creek that's dried
up, but still has pools.

If I can find water in
October in California,

you know there's gonna be animals around,

because that's the hottest,
driest time of the year,

because it's had all summer to dry out.

There hasn't been any snow, or any rain.

So I look for water sources.

How close are they to main roads,

food sources, hunting
areas, protected areas,

and from there if I actually go out there

when you're actually in the woods,

there are way better
trackers, and people than me,

but I'm looking at tracks.

I'm looking for tree breaks,

and snaps of something
going through the woods.

I'm always looking up at the high ground.

The high ground is important.

If you see what looks like a
bunch of trees falling over,

well maybe they're not
falling over on accident,

maybe that's a blind.

You got to think like a hunter.

You'd want to obscure your
area to watch a trail.

The trail that you're on
might be a human foot path,

but are there game trails?

You see other little trails going up,

and off all over the place?

Well this is for animals to go.

Animals like using trails,
because like humans,

trails are easier than just
walking through the bushes,

so you look through these,

you look for blinds, you look for areas,

you look for the classic tree
structures, and X formations,

and other things that
people find out there.

One of the other phenomenons
that's very common is

I've been out in the middle
of the woods very far in deep,

and you find a fire ring,

it'll have a circle of rocks,

and it'll have wood in it,
not burned, no charcoal,

or you'll find like an old
cooler, or like a coat,

and you'll find a firing.

Like someone was camping out here,

but no one's used the fire.

You can tell no one drove,
or camped over here,

and no humans gonna lug this
out there, and weird stuff,

and it's almost like a creature,

or something is emulating
what humans are doing,

or it almost seems like a trap sometimes

where you're like, wow,

this is a very weird firepit.

There's no, there's no
fire in the fire pit,

but it has logs in it,
and it's in a circle.

There's some human items,
and debris out here,

and then you look up a hill,

and there's some things that
may be look like a blind,

or some big hiding trees, or
some rocks, and you're like,

this might be an ambush
spot, or it could be campers,

or it could be somebody on the run.

Any creature with a lot of intelligence

all the great ape species do it.

Humans do it, you get bored.

I think these things do get creative,

and I think going onto another subject,

I think we are a lot
of their entertainment.

Why they do look in windows,

why they to come around campsites,

why they do throw rocks and acorns,

and shake our tents in
the middle of the night,

and do that kind of stuff.

I think they'd like to see our reactions.

I think they get bored.

They don't have the internet,
they don't have cable,

they don't have that kind of stuff.

So I think it's very common
for them to pester us.

Sometimes they want to get us to go away.

Sometimes we're interrupting
a hunt, I think.

Sometimes we're getting
close to their young,

or where other ones are sleeping,

or sometimes they just
want to screw with us,

and other times I think you're curious,

and they just want to watch.

You see on the TV shows
where they're tree knocking,

and they're hooping, and hollering,

and they're doing all this stuff.

If you want to do it
that way, that's fine.

I think that's a great way to drive

every creature into woods away from you.

I just say, watch your footing,
be quiet, move stealthy,

listen, watch, be aware
of your surroundings.

Take a deep breath,
smells, sights, sounds.

Watch your footprints,
watch animal footprints.

Are you seeing bear track?

Are you seeing coyote prints?

What kind of poop are you
seeing out there, coyote poop?

What are they eating?

Are there a lot of berries in there?

I know that sounds funny,
but it gives you an idea.

Hey, there's, we're finding all this scat,

and it's got a lot of berries in it.

Well, it's October.

Okay, well berry season just came through.

We're finding a lot of fur.

Well, it must be hunting season.

You know, am I hearing a lot of squirrels?

Am I hearing a lot of birds?

Am I hearing insects, and
crickets, and rabbits,

and lizards running on
rocks, or is it dead?

Eerily quiet, and I've experienced that

in the woods where nothing,

not a bird, not a squirrel, not a lizard.

The mosquito seemed to have gone away,

and it is the weirdest feeling.

Something is big out there.

The king has come home,
everybody be quiet.

So these are things that
you have to look out for

where you're in the woods,

and the rest you just kinda gotta learn.

- But the next step is a
lot more interesting to me.

If something's called a ground nest.

Now people have reported,
I've never found one,

but people reported seeing
kind of like a ground nest,

like gorillas make,
gorillas sleep in nests.

So if you can find these odd features,

you know in the landscape, like in nests,

that seems to be out
of place a little bit,

it's a good sign.

Next to you look for step
two, which is tracks.

You know, and obviously you have to know

the difference between bear tracks,

and Bigfoot tracks,
which isn't always easy.

You know, I'm sure I've
been fooled, you know?

I'd like to not think I don't
get fooled, but we all do.

You know, sometimes it
can be pretty similar,

and then you know,

obviously then you start
listening for sounds

weird sounds like some kind of howling,

or so ultimately all that's crap,

because it's useless, right?

It's just, you just tell a story,

and a lot of people are
satisfied with that.

It annoys me.

I think we need a lot
better evidence than that.

Otherwise it's, you know, it's pointless.

Ultimately you won't hear
samples, blood sample.

That's the only thing

that's really gonna lead to the next step.

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- The chances of, you know,
you kill a million animals,

and a bunch of different locations,

less than 00000.1% it's
gonna become a fossil.

It is incredibly hard.

It's got to be the right
amount of air getting to it,

and not getting to it.

The right amount of ground
compression preservation,

for bone to turn into stone,
which is fossilization.

It's almost like forming a diamond.

It has to be a very specific
set of circumstances

to form a fossil,

and there are, you know, how
many billions of tons of earth

are out there that are undead,

or unturned over that we
don't know about that,

because it could still have fossils?

So our fossil record
is, it's so incomplete.

We don't even know how incomplete it is,

and from what they're
doing from genetic studies,

from humans that came out a few years ago

where they're finding that
anatomically modern humans,

people today have Neanderthal DNA in them,

it used to be that we thought

there was this race of
pre people, this race.

There was, you know, Homo
erectus, Homo habilis,

Homo heidelbergensis, Homo
floresiensis, Neanderthals,

Crow magnums, Homo sapiens,
Homo sapien, you know,

we were all these different races.

Well, what they're finding
is they interbred a lot,

and crossed over,

and you think of tribes
of people taking over,

and other tribes of people.

The world was very sparsely populated,

so you had to procreate how you saw fit,

how to raise with your kid.

If you are a modern human,

and there was a Neanderthal woman around,

and she was good at hunting,

you're gonna take her as your wife.

It was, you know, it was
the option, and vice versa.

So there was a lot.

They're starting to discover that,

which is very fascinating.

It was a lot more interbreeding,
and crossing over,

and it's painting a very different picture

than even what you would
think about 10 years ago.

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- It's the biggest complaint I get is that

why isn't Bigfoot captured on video,

or in pictures all the time?

And part of me has no answer,

because I agree we should really
be getting better evidence,

and maybe the evidence is out
there, but it's not public.

Now I've seen some private couple pictures

that are actually pretty good.

Not maybe Patterson Gilliland
good, but pretty close,

and there's some footage even on YouTube

that I think is pretty intriguing,

if you know, if you know
what you're looking for,

but there's, I mean 80% of
those you see on YouTube

are hoaxes, you know, and even
Bigfoot experts get fooled.

You know, I'm sure I've
been fooled by a couple,

but some people should know better.

I think a lot of people
go to the wrong place.

They kind of go out in the field

after there's been a sighting,

and you're where Bigfoot was
you not where he's gonna be,

or where he is, you know?

And you're talking about an
intelligent biological species.

I think you have to go a
lot deeper in the woods

if you're really gonna
get some quality footage,

and look, and I'd been out
there, I had been in the woods,

man, it's hard to get around.

There's, you're moving like you know,

a mile per like a couple
hours sometimes you know?

The species that's adapted

specifically for that environment,

if he wants to stay out of sight,

especially we're talking for color

that can camouflage with
the trees very easily.

It's hard, man.

It's hard to get a lot of
pictures in the footage out there,

but I agree.

That's the main skeptic point

that we should have a better answer for,

and I don't have one.

- Well, 150 years ago, nobody
knew what a gorilla was.

If you guys are familiar
with what an okapi is,

it's a cousin of the giraffe.

They thought it was a
legend until the 1930s.

They're discovering new
species in small areas.

Mostly, you know, insects, and birds,

and things all the time,

but when you have a species
that's intelligent enough

to actively try to prevent
itself from being discovered.

You go to different parts of the country,

you go to Oregon, Washington state,

go back in the hills there,
you go to these small towns,

you talked to them about Bigfoot,

they don't even blink an eye.

It's like, yeah, you
have bears around here?

Yeah, we have bears.

Do you have Bigfoot?

Yeah, we have Bigfoots.

What, you know, it's like not a big deal.

To these rural people,

to these people that live out there,

we're are the idiots for not believing.

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- It was out in North bend,

Washington up in the
Backwoods, Mount Garfield.

There was a night, and I
was sitting by the fire,

and it was a full moon classic
story, and this crazy noise,

like, I still to this day can't repeat it.

I try to be like, oh, you
know, it's not like a howl,

but it was whatever it was,
I'd never heard it before.

I went online,

and tried to Google all these
different animal sounds,

and what animals are capable of.

Couldn't find anything
even remotely close,

but that night when I
was sitting by the fire,

and that sound was coming through,

it sounded like something
was walking through,

and it was very alarmed
that we were there,

and it was letting us
know like, hey, I'm here.

I'm coming through.

And the hair stood up
on the back of my neck.

So I knew that it was to alarm me,

and, because it felt alarmed.

The noise went on for maybe five minutes,

however long it took for it to pass by,

and then it took like a solid 30 minutes

sitting by the fire,

just frozen being like, all right,

what am I gonna do if
something goes down here?

- To be honest, the most
interesting case that I know of

is not even North America.

It's in Kenya, and this is something

very few people have ever heard about,

because it's always
been written in French,

and not, it never translated English.

There's an anthropologist in the 1980s

that was doing her work in Kenya.

Her name was Eberhard Rhumageya.

So she was very famous at the time.

I mean, her books were using universities,

and the whole deal.

They started hearing about
these Bigfoot type creatures

for lack of better word
in the forest in Kenya,

which no one had ever heard about before,

except they were a little more gracile,

and more human looking,
but still very primitive,

covered in hair.

So she got interested
as an anthropologist,

even though it sounded kind of crazy.

So she started following up on it,

and she found tails
that they had artifacts.

They were using bows, and arrows,

which is not something
that you see typically

with Bigfoots in North America,

or Yetis in Nepal for example,

but then, then she found a pair of arrow

that was left in the ground
by what she called X.

She didn't come up with a better name,

she called her specie X,

and if you look at the
arrow, it's a very primitive,

it's like stone age technology.

It doesn't match any of the other arrows

in any of the tribes in Africa,

and to me I always found fascinating

that you have something Bigfoot like

an Africa where we originated,
and apes originated,

but it had the same qualities of Bigfoot

in terms of doesn't have a language.

It's covered in hair.

It's primitive, but seems
to have more of a culture.

That's what started my idea

that we can kind of trace back Bigfoot

from North America through Asia
all the way back to Africa,

and there was a link.

What's most compelling to me is the links.

You start making links that make sense,

and you start thinking in terms

of a real biological species.

- I think if you want
two really good pieces,

the best evidence that actual
scientist, actual biologists,

actual people have broken down,

and can prove through frame
rates, through size comparisons,

loco motions, combined
with eyewitness reports.

One is the Patterson Gimlin film,

the one that was filmed
in Bluff Creek in 1967.

That has been dissected in a million ways.

Dr. Jeff Meldrum, there's
a lot of independence,

that have done their breakdowns of it,

and from the proportions,
it can't be a man in a suit,

because the legs are too
long, the arms are too long,

and if you did an arm extension
to make an arm longer,

the elbow would stay in the same place.

Things that don't add up with that film,

not to mention the historical of that area

of there being a lot
of Bigfoot encounters.

The way the thing moves, the muscle tone.

- I think it's because the
Patterson Gilliland film

is so clear, especially in
that it's been cleaned up.

I saw second generation copy,

and it's an, you know, I'm
not gonna go 100% in with it,

but it's pretty impressive.

You can literally see the muscles,

you know, contracting, and moving.

So no one has been able to debunk it.

I mean, there's been seven guys
that claim to be in a suit,

but none of them have proven
that they were in a suit,

and that's like literally seven people.

So they couldn't all
have been in the suit.

It's an impressive, you
know, piece of footage.

I've never met Patterson.

I've met Gimlin a couple
of times, you know,

and he's a really affable guy, you know,

and it's hard to see him lying about it.

I think that if it was a hoax,

he wasn't in on it.

Now Patterson's a little
more complicated character,

and you know, the one thing that

maybe could point towards a hoax

is the fact that he had a drawing

prior to having the footage that looks

a whole lot like what
the footage looks like,

but then again,

he knew what Bigfoot was
supposed to look like.

He's been collecting
evidence for years, you know?

No one's ever disproven the film.

No one's proven 100%.

No one's disproven the film,

and that's pretty impressive considering

we get a lot of crappy
fake footage all the time.

- So the Patterson Gimlin film,

if you want to know what a
West coast Bigfoot looks like,

a female, as a matter of fact.

The other one that I've met,

and talked to several times,
he's a great researcher,

is Ron Morehead and his Sierra sounds.

In the 70s in a hunting camp,

deep in the Sierras he recorded,

and he had interactions with four,

or five of his hunting buddies.

Now it's like you got to
take horses, and pack in two,

or three days to go to this hunting camp

in the middle of nowhere,

which his camp was surrounded
by these creatures,

these hairy bipedal creatures.

Not only were they hooping, and hollering,

and making a lot of strange noises,

but they were actually
talking to each other,

and you could hear this garbled language.

Some people call it samurai chatter,

because it's very...

It's this very weird,

it almost sounds like a foreign language.

So when you had all this recorded,

and he brought it to linguistical experts,

language experts, military grade stuff,

people that work for the
Pentagon trying to break codes,

and translate things, and they broke down,

and they said, well, there's
a number of phenomenon

that's going on here in the Sierra Sounds.

One they can tell the same creature

is reaching octaves higher,

and lower than humans can do.

Almost to the set of having
a second set of vocal chords,

and a lot of people

with the classic Sasquatch
calls that you hear,

it starts off really low,

and then goes into a high pitch
dream way beyond any human,

or animal can do,

but the other thing they
encountered with the Sierra Sounds

is not only where their frequency,

and optical phenomenon
that couldn't be human,

or any known animal,

but they also found markers of language,

the same phrases, and words if you will,

being repeated over, and over again,

having two, or three, or
more creatures talking back

and forth, saying what would
their equation of a sentence,

or phrases being responded
by more sentences and phrases

different than this one.

Different than that, and it had
all the markers of language.

Now we don't know what they're saying,

but it had all the markers
of language as human language

as we know it.

Also, if you look at
the Paul Freeman video,

that's a pretty good one.

Just kind of use your judgment.

For me, if it feels
fake, it's probably fake.

If it looks real, don't
say it's 100% real,

but observe what you know.

Look at the motion.

Does it look like a creature?

How is the hair sticking to it?

Does it look baggy like
a oversized fur suit?

Is there muscle tone?

What can you see?

How are their proportions?

Are they non-human proportions?

The documentary that we
were talking about earlier

about the guy who came out
with these very clear images,

of Bigfoot on Netflix,

the biggest problem that
a lot of people had,

and I got a lot of grief over this,

because I disagreed with him,

is that his Sasquatch that he
filmed had human proportions.

The eyes, and nose, and mouth
were all in range of humans.

Where if you look at the
Patterson Gimlin film,

and some of the other
images that they've caught

of Sasquatches, and the
proportions of the upper lip, nose,

everything way different than a human.

It's somewhere coincidentally
if you took a chimpanzee,

or a gorilla, and you took a human,

the proportions of what
people have caught on film

for Sasquatch is somewhere in the middle.

So when you see something
that's generally human sized,

and has human proportions,

not completely dismissing
that it's a fake, or a hoax,

but more than likely it's probably

a guy in a suit, or a reenactment.

- Yeah, there's that footage

that's become real popular recently

of up-close of a face of a Bigfoot.

There's two Bigfoots.

It's been making the rounds.

A lot of people have backed it.

It's been in a lot of
documentaries, and films.

I personally think it's complete crap.

I think it's a hoax.

It doesn't correspond
to any of what we know

of what Bigfoot was supposed to look like,

nor does it look specifically like

what you would expect
either an ape to look like,

or a modern hominid of that size.

Some of the features are lot of too thin.

It just doesn't match
anything that we know of

in terms of description,

historical description of what we know

from the fossil record.

All you see is the head, first of all,

and that's if you're able to
capture the head that well,

you should be able to wait to see

the animal should be able to walk away,

or get up, and do
something else, you know?

So that's the first sign,

and the other side I look
for also a lot of hoax,

is when a camera's already focused

on a particular spot, and like a trail,

and I'll send something
walks right through it,

and then you know, in perfect focus,

and then it disappears.

That's usually a sign

that you're dealing with,
you know, fake footage.

Here's where we get into
some complicated areas.

The gentleman that took those pictures,

or fabricated those pictures

has other footage that's
actually pretty intriguing

from earlier in Canada.

I found that footage
actually pretty decent.

He's got some of like
Bigfoots walking up a hill,

and so forth, and that's the
problem that we get into.

You know, a lot of guys will go out there,

and they'll start off
being honest researchers,

and they'll get a little bit of footage,

and I'll get a little bit, you know,

a couple checks here, and there,

and all of a sudden

you need to prove more,
and more, and more,

and that's where a lot of
the hoaxing comes about.

- The other thing you can do is if this,

I've had people send me lots of pictures,

and see this looks like a pretty
convincing Sasquatch photo.

What do you think?

I go on Amazon, and Google monkey suit,

or Bigfoot costume, or gorilla costume,

and I can see the exact same mask,

or look at the hands, and I'm
like, well someone's hoaxing,

or someone was not hoaxing,
but making a commercial,

or playing a prank, or something,

and then it got taken out of context too.

You know, because I really don't think

there's that many hoaxers.

I just think, like I said,

old college films, people
doing something else,

a bear at a wrong angle, and
then people misinterpreting it,

but as far as deliberate hoaxers

I don't think there's
necessarily that many.

So I think you just kinda
gotta use their judgment.

There's so much out there

when it comes to photos of Bigfoot.

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- Yeah the question of why
people would want to make hoaxes,

I've never been able to
wrap my head around it,

you know, specifically I think part of it,

people just like to be
on TV for two minutes.

Some people just get off,
you know, fooling people,

or maybe they think you
can make some money off it.

I mean, let me tell you,
there's not a whole lot of money

in the Bigfoot field, you know?

I mean, you can't make money
off the hoax ultimately,

because you can't prove it.

- Well, there are a number
of Bigfoot researchers

who carry firearms in the woods.

I'm one of them, and I have no intention

of shooting a Sasquatch in cold blood.

I have no intention of
taking one for science,

or any of those other kinds of
stuff. It's purely defensive.

If I'm attacked by a bear,

or a mountain lion, or believe it, or not,

humans can be very bad people.

I think we all know that.

So if I come across something in the woods

that's perhaps dangerous,

and I shouldn't be there, whether
it be human, or otherwise,

or a Sasquatch,

there are a lot of people in the South,

there's a lot of grow, and things,

and there's a lot of people in his world

that just want to be left alone,

Bigfoot, bear, human, or otherwise,

and you don't want to
mess with these people.

So putting on a Bigfoot costume,

and running through
some old man's backyard,

or through some fields is a bad idea.

There's been a number of stories of people

who have been shot at, or shot,

or hit by cars who have
been in Bigfoot costumes.

You can find them. There was
one in Montana a few years ago

where a guy dressed up
in a Sasquatch outfit,

and ran across the road,
and he got hit by a car,

and then got hit going the
other way by another car

by a teenager on her cell phone.

It's not a smart thing.

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- So there's one called a cripple photo,

which I believe was in Washington,

and the gentleman that

I was talking about is Dr.
Melbourne from I think Idaho,

and furthermore is also dermal
ridges that had been found

on some of his prints.

So I found that pretty compelling,

because it's pretty hard
to make dermal ridges

if you're gonna fake it.

Also, you know the
flexibility in the foot,

that's hard to reproduce,
you know, if you can do hoax,

and a lot of those are pretty flexible,

and which is an interesting point,

because flexibility in the foot

is actually a primitive adaptation.

As you can see when a chimp
wraps his foot around the tree

for example, and in fact a
small percentage of humans today

have a flexible mid foot,

as a vestigial trait
from our prior hominids.

So you know, when you see
something in the field,

like a footprint that makes sense

in terms of what we know about anatomy,

our evolutionary history, or
ape, you know, physiology,

you take those a little more seriously.

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- There's been plenty of hair samples

that have been collected
that get sent to labs.

Now here's the thing.

When you send, say you find a hair sample,

and you send it into a lab
somewhere, you find a research,

you find a college,
you send it into a lab,

they compare that hair to
everything that's known,

and they compare it to your region.

There's no use for them
comparing a hair sample

that you found in Big Bear,
California to a bangle tiger,

because as far as we know

there are no bangle tigers in Big Bear.

It could be a drug dealer with one,

but anyway, so they're not
gonna look for bangle tiger.

What is in Big Bear?

Well bears, mountain lions,
deer, raccoons, squirrels,

other forest creatures, and
when they analyze that hair,

and they realize it comes
up with none of that,

then they also look at is it synthetic,

is it probably propylene?

It is a cheap wig, costume type hair.

Is it a human hair?

And then from there, if
you pay enough money,

and you wait enough time, and
you've sent it to enough labs,

you can determine is
it a bangle tiger hair?

Is it a grizzly bear hair,

and there's not supposed to
be any grizzly bears here,

where there's some in the
region of the United States,

but not necessarily here in Big Bear?

Interestingly enough,
there was grizzly bears

once upon a time in Big Bear,

that's a big bear got its name,

because they have really big bears.

You can look at hair samples,

and you can look at DNA samples,

where they find hair
samples, or they find blood.

They find things and they
find this hair sample,

or they find DNA,

and the DNA samples
that come up, they say,

well they're half human,
and half something else,

so we don't know what it is.

So it's not Bigfoot.

Well, if they had a Bigfoot sample,

they would know it was Bigfoot,

but they don't have this,

and once again it's a comparative thing.

You can't definitively
say something's something,

if you've never seen it before.

If you look at, like I
said, photo evidence,

and video evidence, and audio evidence.

Those are, if you want
good physical stuff,

you have to look deep.

You got to go through,

or they have to cut the
chaff from the wheat

is kind of the expression

you got to cut through a
lot of BS to get to it,

but there's some good
stuff on the internet.

There's some really good researchers.

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- Yeah, I'm not sure what
really keeps me in the field

aside from just that
spirit of exploration.

I just love being out there,
which is, yeah, to me,

whether you're looking for Bigfoot,

or any other cryptozoological
animal, or aliens,

or you're out there, and trying to find,

you know, proof of ghosts,

it's like Las Vegas, right?

You know, you can hit
it big at any moment,

and that, that addictive personality,

I think it really feeds you,

because you're like, I can
come around the corner,

and boom, and you'll
lose more than your win,

but I think just that little chance that,

you know, you can come up with something,

and also I think it's important, you know,

I think if you look in
an environment today,

obviously we have,

there's a lot of
ecological problems, right?

There's fires from Siberia to the Congo,

to the Amazon, to now in Australia,

we're talking about a lot
of species going extinct.

And I think we forget sometimes,

like if we're dealing with even Bigfoot,

or any other, you know, nasty,

whatever you want to talk about,

we're talking about real bonafide species

that it's our responsibility
to stop from going extinct.

We need to start the state of the world.

We need to really start thinking

in terms of like saving the environment,

and saving some of these
species are, you know,

you see species going extinct every day,

and that literally keeps me up at night.

The idea that we can have this species

that can tell us so much
about how to survive.

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- Well that's a whole
nother subject right there.

The only time I ever find
dead animals in the woods

are generally from humans.

Most animals don't want
to be pecked to death,

or bitten to death, or torn
apart when they're dying.

So they go seclude themselves somewhere,

and die in peace away from
other animals, away from humans.

If I clumped you over
the head in the woods,

and you were wandering around,

you'd want to go find a shady,
safe spot away from what

clunked you want on the head, and recover,

and then in the woods
there is no medicine.

You're gonna get better,
or you're gonna die,

and you have to remember

North America has very acidic soil,

so any bones that are left behind,

and the primary minerals, and
bones, calcium, magnesium,

that other stuff gets
eaten away very quickly,

especially in pine forest,

because pine needles are very acidic,

and all that breaks down into woods,

so things rot away very,
very quickly as far as bones,

and if you ever have encountered
a dead body of an animal,

or shot squirrels, or whatever,

and you've maybe gutted them out,

or a gut pile, or something,

or you've come across an animal kill,

even just go on national
geographic, or YouTube,

and go, or watch a Yellowstone
National Park documentary

where a winter kill happens,

where an animal drops dead
in the winter from the cold,

or a bear gets it, or the wolves get it,

within three days, it's
a half picked skeleton.

Within a week it's a skeleton.

Within two weeks, those
bones are scattered.

Within a month you might find a rib bone.

Most of the bones are broken,

and crunched by other animals.

You might find a skull over here.

You come back a year from that point

as more pine needles come down,

and rain, and snow, and everything else,

they're gonna be half buried.

You come back in two years,

you'd be lucky if you find
one bone of that creature,

and I've experienced that
growing up in the woods.

When I would visit my
uncles house in Montana,

there was a moose that died by the river

where he was into the river,

at about a quarter mile from his house,

and I remember when we first saw it,

it was like a skeleton,

and my uncle told me
that it died a month ago,

and it was like had
flesh on it everything.

It was picked clean,

it looked like a white
skeleton from a museum.

Then I remember over a few weeks

coming back to bones being
a little more scattered,

a little more broken down,

and then I remember the next
summer coming up to visit him,

going back, and looking for it,

and maybe finding one, or two bones,

and it was just as a kid, like,
wow, things don't last long.

So the animals are gonna
go away from humans,

and other thing else,
and die where we don't,

it's not gonna be convenient
for us to get to them,

and when it comes to Bigfoot,

if you look at Neanderthal species,

if you look at a lot of other pre-humans,

they have found burial
sites of pre-humans,

large animal such as
elephants have been found

coming back years later to
where other elephants have died,

and mourning over them,
and picking up the skulls,

and playing with them,
and stuff in Africa,

and they're showing
signs of being mourned,

and that they remember that person

coming back to the death of
an individual years later.

Apes have have exhibited this stuff too,

where they mourn for the loss of somebody,

or there's an older ape,

or something that can't eat as well,

so they're bringing them food,

and in my opinion, Bigfoot's being

much more closer to humans,
perhaps they bury their dead.

The other thing to
consider, times are tough.

It's 15/20 degrees out.

It's really hard to hunt.

We're buried up to our
belly button in snow.

If one falls dead, maybe they eat them.

That's 600, 700 pounds
of protein right there.

There's lots of evidence

that modern humans ate Neanderthals,

and Neanderthals ate modern humans.

To this day, I mean there's, you know,

like cannibalism happens, it's very taboo,

and it's very common in other species.

Bears will eat other bears.

It's common in every species
out there, cannibalism,

and there's even new stuff come out

in the last couple of
years with chimpanzees,

where a trooper chimpanzees will go,

and bait another trooper
chimpanzees, and eat them.

They'll tear them apart very violently.

It's horrific to watch people killing,

or there'll be a troop of chimpanzees,

and there'll be the leader, and
a young leader will go kill,

and eat, and dismember
the very violent stuff,

the older chimpanzees
to take over the troop.

So why would we think that Bigfoot,

who has a striking resemblance to humans,

and apes would not
possibly bury their dead,

would not possibly eat their dead,

would not possibly dispose of their bones,

and crunched them up?

Who knows?

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If you have a patch of woods,

there's been a Bigfoot siting there,

and I think anybody who's grown
up in either in the country,

or semi-rural area,

there's always the stories
of don't go down that road.

Or, oh, those old woods are haunted,

or grandpa told you

you can hunt on East side of the mountain,

but don't hunt on the
West side of the mountain.

Why?

Just because I said so.

Don't hunt on the West
side of the mountain,

and you start looking at
these historical counters,

the boogeyman reports.

There's the beast of this,

or the monster of that, and
you start looking at maps.

Devil's Canyon, Ape Canyons,

Devil's Slide, Devil's
Playpen, Demon Ridge.

Wow, why did they have
such dark grim names?

Death Valley, Death this,
Death that, and you're like,

well, how come it wasn't Sunshine Ridge,

or you know, Flower Meadow, you know?

Oh no, it was called
Death Canyon for a reason.

You start looking at it,

and you start looking at these things,

and it's like virtually anywhere

there is a substantial patch of woods.

My rule is if you see
deer, and you see water,

it could possibly possibly
support a Bigfoot.

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- Yeah, I think there's
a plethora of species

that have been discovered
throughout the years

from new monkey species to
obviously tons of ocean species

getting discovered every year.

Some big mammals were discovered
in Vietnam in the 90s,

and you know, I think that
that gives me a lot of hope.

I, you know, and the Amazon

there's a species discovered
every week technically,

a new species.

Now a lot of them are
small, granted, you know?

There's no difference to
me between discovering

a new biological species
of any kind, and Bigfoot,

because we're still dealing
with, you know, same modality.

I mean, we've explored what
percentage of the world?

Not as high as people think.

A lot of this, these areas
had been mapped from the air,

but no one's been on the ground.

There's a lot of open areas up there,

especially if people don't realize,

it's not like we don't know
more about the wilderness today.

Most people moving into cities, you know,

moving away from living out in
the woods, or in the jungle.

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- It's very interesting.

Up until very recently
we thought chimpanzees

were mostly fruit eaters,

and they found that they actually eat

way more meat than we thought.

It's now, the vast majority
of the diet still is fruit,

but they also live in
a very tropical climate

where there is a lot of fruit,

and there is a lot of
vegetable, and plant matter,

but they find that eating a lot more meat

than they previously thought.

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- There's not much in terms
of having any DNA evidence.

There's been some blood samples,

but again, you can only
correlate it to Bigfoot,

because it was allegedly left by Bigfoot,

but you weren't there
when it happened right?

But nonetheless some of the hair samples,

and not just here, but
we've had some in China

that turned out to be primate

closely related to human, but not human,

and that's as far as you can go,

because the way DNA works,

is there's a database of
all the known species,

and all you could do is
not, if it doesn't match,

you have something new,
but you can't identify it,

because you can't match it to anything.

Since there's no official
Bigfoot species, you know,

officially, biologically,
or in the DNA database,

it comes back as unknown, but
there's enough hair samples,

and I think there's one blood sample,

I believe that was taking up way up North,

and I think it was in Canada
that came up as you know,

primate nonhuman, and
that's extremely intriguing

stuff to have to explain
that. (thunderous booming)

- What's going on is there's
a bunch of stories of people

who've shot these things over the years,

and people have come out,
the trucks have pulled up,

the helicopters have landed,

and they've disposed of the bodies,

and people have said, if
you know it's good for you,

you saw a bear, or nothing happened here.

It seems like the government's okay

with you talking about them,

with you even going out in the woods,

and looking for them, or even
making videos about them,

but if you get that good clear video,

it's either gonna disappear,
or it's gonna be discredited.

Though, once somebody gets
good solid information,

if you come to me, and
say you saw Bigfoot,

that's fine, but if you,

and three or four of your
buddies were out on a hike,

and you all saw it at the same time,

and now four or five people
are telling the same story

about the same location,

maybe even one of you has
a cell phone picture of it,

that's when you might experience
some kind of a coverup.

Now the reason for the coverup

is why would they want it suppressed?

And there's many levels of it.

There's a very practical level of

if they acknowledged Bigfoot existed,

they would have to protect them,

and they would have to study them,

and then that goes into
the logging industry

would be shut down,

and there's a lot of insiders
in the logging industry

as they know farewell about Bigfoots,

and they hate Bigfoots,

and some of them, I've even heard stories

hire guns to go out, and chase them off,

because if there's Bigfoots in the area,

they slow down the loggers,
and they don't want any proof,

and then there's a lot of missing people.

There's tons of people who
have gone missing in the woods,

and I myself think, not all of them,

but some of those people

who have probably been taken, and killed,

or eaten by Bigfoot, and
that's a big liability

if the government knows it.

Then you start getting into the more

you know that Bigfoot
isn't a natural creature,

maybe they have a more paranormal element.

Maybe there's some kind
of genetic manipulation.

Maybe there's some that had
been manipulated in a lab.

Maybe some have an alien connection,

maybe some have a biblical connection,

and that would kind of go
against evolution, and creation,

and there's a lot of different levels

from very practical reason

to why they'd want to cover it up

to some very out there
conspiracy type stuff,

but whatever reason it is,

there is a campaign to keep Bigfoot,

a beef jerky commercial,
to keep it a joke,

to keep Bigfoot on the fringe of things,

to keep it as a coffee
mug, or a funny tee shirt.

Hide and seek champion, and
oh yeah, he saw Bigfoot.

Yeah, I bet you got abducted
by aliens, to keep it a joke.

That is starting to go away.

I think the internet is a beautiful thing,

and as much suppression
can be on the internet,

I've seen a lot of other
really good YouTube creators

have their views go in the toilet,

have subscribers be actively unsubscribed.

It's really whatever it is,

and there's no saying it's the government.

There's no saying it's
a third party entity.

There's no saying it's
Illuminati, or third world,

or new world order, or whatever it is.

Not saying it's one
thing, or whatever it is.

Whatever entity out there,

if you look close enough, there
is actively an organization,

or a group of people

trying to suppress the
truth about Bigfoot.

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I think if they,

if whoever's covering up
was gonna disclose Bigfoot,

I said this, the easiest
way they could do it,

if you think they're gonna
have a press conference

where they're gonna have a slide show,

and someone's gonna, you know,

the Director of the National Park Service,

or whatever's gonna come
out, and say, you know,

the Department of Interior,

whoever that is in the tie,
and big press conference.

Hey, we know Bigfoot exists,
and this is what we know.

That's never gonna happen.

What they would probably
do with stop enforcing it,

stop covering it up, just
stop, and let footage come out,

let somebody shoot one, let
somebody hit one with a truck,

and bring it in, and
then start from there,

and that's kind of think how disclosure,

they always say in the
UFO world, disclosure,

we want disclosure,

and I always think you know
how the government works?

They're not gonna have that
press conference, and say,

bring a little green man out on the stage,

and say that we know all that.

They're not gonna do that.

Like I said,

the best thing they could
do is stop classifying,

and stop covering it up, and
let new information come out.

- You know, a lot of people
talk about disclosure

but they're waiting on this like,

almost like on this Messiah
to give you disclosure,

and it's not gonna happen.

You know, obviously,

I mean every year it's like
this is gonna be a year.

You know, I think we should be focusing

a lot more on being proactive,

and hitting those areas that
a lot of them want to go into.

You know, instead of reacting,
you know, be proactive,

which is in a sense the same
way we do Bigfoot research,

right, I try to be proactive,
go, and get the evidence,

and found, you know, Bigfoot ourselves,

and I think whatever
strange, you know, phenomena,

and modalities you're dealing with,

I think that should be the approach.

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- Mattsquatch is a play on Sasquatch.

Back in a day I had a big gnarly beard.

Everybody said I looked like a Sasquatch,

so they would call me Mattsquatch,

and it was just kind of a nickname.

I actually started just as
a generic YouTube channel.

I wanted to do cooking videos,

and do some prepping videos,

and some hikes,

and I told a couple of
Bigfoot stories on there,

and they kind of went viral,

but a lot of people watched
them, and was very interested,

and then West had me on
Sasquatch Encounters,

and then I said a number of people,

and then I just started
talking about Bigfoot videos,

and kind of just did it for fun,

and then my own research,

even before all of this, and stuff,

I was looking at, I had notes,

I still have the notes
in my phone of, hey,

the Pacific Northwest,
these type of Bigfoots

look a lot like this.

In the South, they look a lot like this,

and here they look a lot like this,

and then it was the four types of Bigfoot

than it was the 10 types of Bigfoot,

and then that went popular,

and then I started showing
my research, and things,

and ideas, and just kind
of took off from there.

Everything from hardcore science videos,

to some more lighthearted
stuff, to more paranormal based,

and conspiracy type stuff,

whatever you want to know about Bigfoot,

I've probably talked about it,

and I'm on a hiatus right now,

but I am gonna pick it up soon,

and continue to talk about more.

There's field research videos

where I'm out in the
woods looking at stuff,

lots of videos discussing
different sub genres,

and questions like how
much does a Bigfoot weigh?

How tall do they get?

You know, different types of things.

You know, what a tree structures mean,

what a tree knocks mean?

What do the different calls mean?

My interpretations of
what these things mean.

Not that I definitively know,

but my opinions based on what I've heard,

and what other researchers have done.

I've look at famous Bigfoot sightings

on different websites,
and go to that location,

and kind of do a followup
even years later.

Look at the surroundings.

Could this area support a Bigfoot?

Could it not support a Bigfoot?

Is there cover, and break it
down from different cases,

and famous sightings, and
stuff, and go through lore,

kind of cover all sorts of things Bigfoot.

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There are a lot of very good people,

a lot of normal people

that on the weekends instead of, you know,

go into play basketball,
or whatever they do,

they go out in the woods,
and they look for Bigfoot.

A lot of them have very good evidence.

Like any field, there's
good, and bad, you know?

People get very protective
of their information.

People get very protective
of their evidence,

but there's a lot of good people,

a lot of normal people

who have experienced
something extraordinary,

and they just want answers,

and they're not in it
for the gratification.

They're not in it for the notoriety.

They're not in it to prove.

They're not in it to shoot one,

and bring one in, and be, I
shot Bigfoot looked at me,

they just want answers,

and that's kind of, the core
where I was at with it too,

is they really want answers,

and there's a lot of really good people.

- People have to stop thinking that

we should be doing this for
free in the field because,

and not because, you know,
I want to drive a nice car,

I want to go out, and you know,

and with the ladies,
or whatever, you know,

but it's expensive, and
it takes a lot, you know?

And I spend most of my time
here frustrated in my apartment,

because I can't get out there.

So I think we need to really
start thinking in terms

of having a professional
teams that are well funded

by people that are capable.

I think that's the only way

we're gonna find anything, you know?

So for me personally,

that's what I'm focused on right now.

- What astounded me a couple of years back

when I went to a Bigfoot conference,

the International Bigfoot Conference,

listening to the guest speakers,
approaching the experts,

talking to people who have their books,

and getting all the different things.

It's just the people in the audience.

I remember sitting next to this one

older gentleman, shirt
tucked in big mustache.

He looked like an old cowboy,

and he owned a ranch in Washington state.

He was like, yeah.

I was kind of hoping to
talk to professor Meldrum

about these footprints,

and you had a binder in his lap,

and I'm like, what kind of footprints?

Well, I've seen him a
few times off my porch,

and you can always dismiss
somebody in a siting.

He opens his book,

and he's got perfect Sasquatch
footprints left in the snow.

Hundreds of yards of tracks, strides,

way bigger than any of us could do.

Big giant footprints all in the snow.

Then he's got pictures of them
in the springtime in the mud.

He's got pictures of fur,

he's got tree breaks,
and snaps, and things.

Weird structures like
10 feet up in the air.

He's had stuff swiped off his porch,

all that kind of stuff,

and he's got this big binder

full of all these pictures, and evidence,

and I'm like, these are
gold. What are you gonna do?

You want to share these?

And he's like, oh nope, not interested.

These are just for me,

and I just wanted to talk to
Meldrum privately about it.

He shared them with me.

How many people have stuff
like that that they just,

they don't want the attention.

They don't want people on their property.

They don't want finding
Bigfoot on their front door.

They don't want, they don't want it.

They just want their own private answers

that have this kind of evidence?

So there's great evidence out there.

You just need to look.

When people say there,
I love it when you get,

it's always somebody who's
typically college educated too,

who considers themselves fancy,

like people in my family have PhDs,

or they're medical doctors,

or my aunt is a wildlife researcher,

and she studies bears, and
Wolverines, and stuff like that,

and they track them, and collar them,

and having a conversation
with her about Bigfoot.

She's like, well, there's
no evidence for Bigfoot,

and I go, BS.

What do you want?

Do you want to see video?

Do you want to hear audio?

Do you want footprints?

Do you want hair samples?

Do you want DNA?

Do you want thousands of years

of native American traditions
from virtually every tribe,

all across the United
States, Canada, and Mexico,

all referring to the same creature?

Do you want thousands
of modern day reports

from every walk of life?

You want physical evidence?

The evidence is there.

It's just up to you to believe,

and you reach a certain
point where you say,

there is no evidence,

and you look at all the
evidence that I described,

and then you listen to all
the eyewitness reports.

Then you look at the really
credible eyewitness reports

from firefighters, military, cops,

people of who are supposed to be trusted.

Then you look at historical encounters,

and how much evidence do
I have to present to you

before I'm not the
ridiculous one and you are?

If I've shown you
everything you've asked for,

and you're still not convinced,

then the only thing
that's gonna convince you

is Bigfoot in person, and I
cannot provide that to you.

I can't go to a museum
appointed a stuffed one.

I can't go to a zoo, which
I think would be sad,

and point at one in a cage,

and good luck trying
to keep them in there.

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- I think maybe one thing

that doesn't get talked about enough is

the danger associated with
going on in the woods,

and looking for Bigfoot.

You know, so we have a lot of TV shows

right, dramatize, or
show how much fun it is

to go out in the woods,

but you're still putting
yourself in certain danger

when you're out in the woods,

and it's not for everyone, and I get that,

but whether you're dealing
with a hominid species,

so related to man, or an ape specie,

you're still dealing with
a certain amount of danger.

You're dealing with a big specie,

big animal that may feel threatened

when you go towards his territory.

So I'd want people to go out there,

and go, I'll bring their kids,

we're gonna go looking for Bigfoot,

and you know, in an alleged,
you know, Bigfoot area,

I think there's certain
amount of danger to that.

You still dealing with either,

you know, again wild animal,

or primitive human that
may feel threatened,

and they'll react to defend themselves,

or especially if they have a,
you know, a juvenile nearby.

I think we need to start
thinking in terms of that.

I mean, there's tons of
disappearances right?

Out in the forest, people
disappear all the time.

They're never found.

I've personally, I've heard some stories

of people being attacked,

people who didn't want
to go on the record,

but they've told me

they'd been attacked by Bigfoots you know,

a group of them at times, even.

I even tell you an exclusive story,

and this isn't from North America,

but it's from a, it happened in Nepal,

and this was years ago,

but I think it exemplifies
kind of the dangerous involved.

So this was this doctor.

He actually worked for the CIA,

the whatever work he was doing, right?

And he was over this ledge and
he was hearing this growling,

and the other side of
the ledger is a tiger,

and what he called a Yeti,

and in the middle of that,

there was like some kind of dead prey,

like a deer, or whatever, you know,

native species similar to deer in Nepal,

and apparently a tiger,
and a Yeti were fighting

for who's gonna get to
eat, you know, tonight,

and at some point, you know,

apparently the tiger swiped at the Yeti,

and the Yeti apparently got pissed off,

and grabbed a tiger, put it over his head,

snapped his back, threw it on the ground,

and he grabbed the prey, and walked off.

Now I've got this second, you know,

kind of second generation
story so I can't prove it,

but this was private.

I don't see, you know, a
reason why someone would lie,

and I've heard similar stories like that.

So you're still dealing with something

that's very big, very strong.

There's certain amount
of danger, you know,

associated with going out there.

- The thing I always tell,
and I end all my videos,

I always say stay safe in the woods.

There's virtually nothing in
this world that is harmless.

What makes you think
that a seven eight, nine,

10 foot tall creature is harmless?

Now they aren't godless,
bloodthirsty killing machines.

You have to think of them as like a bear,

or like a gorilla, or
like a mountain lion,

or if there was an
uncontacted tribe of people,

like there's still parts of the globe

with uncontacted tribes.

You know, how they meet outsiders?

With arrows and spears.

- It's a passion, but it's a passion

where I think you also need time away,

because I do know sometimes

nightmare stories of people who've,

it becomes an obsession to the point

where it actually affects their lives

and marriages and things,

because that obsession
quite literally takes over,

and I can see how easily that can happen,

but for me, you know,

I have to have time to see
what's going on with the soccer.

- If you out in Bigfoot area,

besides, if you take bear spray with you,

which is really hopped up pepper spray,

if you take a buddy with you,
if you take a GPS locator,

if you take a map with
you, and extra water,

and a first aid kit, if you
take a big hunting knife,

if you take a machete,

you take that bear spray, pepper spray,

if you can take a gun. If you
don't like guns, I get it.

You know, take bear spray with you.

What have you lost?

Nothing.

You're prepared against
bears, and mountain lions,

and everything else out
there, but preparing yourself,

you have never lost anything,

you've only ever gained for it.

So stay safe in the woods.

Be aware that there's more in the woods

than trees and squirrels.

Not everything isn't your friend.

When you're out in nature,
you're in nature's element.

You are not in charge.

This isn't your house.

You're out in nature, and bad
things can happen to people.

So just be safe out in the
woods, and that's my big advice.

You don't know what
these creatures could do.

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