Cries of the Unborn (2017) - full transcript

Three pregnant women are kidnapped from abortion clinics and held for seven months until they all give birth. Seven years later, those who held the women have been arrested, admitting to their deeds. They have been brought to trial, and now the jury deliberates their fate. The kidnappers had video-taped the entire seven months that the women were held. In essence, during the trial the jurors had something presented to them that is so rare in the criminal justice system: they were able to watch the entire alleged crime as it unfolded... And what they ultimately learned - and will discuss in their deliberations - is that everyone involved in the matter (even two of the supposed kidnapped women) were conspirators in the alleged offense... Only one woman had actually been kidnapped... All the others were caught and tried... But did they actually commit a crime by holding this one woman for seven months - and saving the baby's life? All jurors immediately vote guilty-except one... What ensues is a jury room battle, where the lone juror tries to convince the others that no crime has been committed. That life was preserved and that there would be no justice in convicting those who held her. It's a daunting task because the others believe that the law is cut and dry. There was indeed a kidnapping... But is holding a woman against her will - to prevent an abortion - actually a crime? Twelve Angry Men and Women examines this incredibly divisive issue

You're almost there.

Don't push.

You're the closest.

Don't push yet, don't push.

You're almost there though.

Don't push. Breathe.

Just breathe. It's almost over.

You're not quite there.

You have a little while.

You're not there. Calm, calm.

You're almost there.

Breathe.

You're close, just breathe.

I can't!

I can see the head.

Sweetheart, look at me.

One last push!

That's it. It's here! It's here.

My baby!

- Your son is here, Natalie.

- Oh, my God!

He's so beautiful!

It's almost time.

Push! You're fully dilated.

Push! Push it now!

Again!

Hold still, you can do this!

- You're fully dilated. Push!

- I know!

All right. I'm gonna help you.

This is gonna hurt

for one moment.

Get it out!

- What're you trying do to?

- I'm gonna do it for you!

Push!

- I hate you!

- It's coming.

- I hate you!

- The head is coming out. Push!

It's coming.

You did it. The baby!

- Oh, my God. Oh, my God! Push!

- What?

Second's in...

- You have twins.

- What?

You had two babies.

- Hold your baby, Staci.

- I don't want to see it.

- Hold your baby, Staci.

- No! No!

Dr. Wise, I'm in so much pain

that I'm nauseous!

The girls are so peaceful!

Oh, why does it hurts so much?

Something's wrong!

These babies have been

such a curse.

It's impossible.

- Impossible.

- What? What's impossible?

It can't be.

You're...

You're pregnant.

No! No, it can't be.

That's impossible. It can't be.

Oh, yes. It can be.

When you're in hell.

I died on the operating table

at the abortion clinic.

I committed suicide.

Welcome to your eternity,

Dr. Wise, Staci.

Prepare for another nine months.

Well?

You're the foreman.

It's up to you

to get things moving.

Okay, I'll do a count.

Uh... You guys good with hands,

show of hands?

- Sure.

- Why not?

- Shall I write this on a pad?

- Yeah.

Look,

we all know they're guilty.

They kidnapped the girl.

So, let's just vote

and get this over with.

All right, fine.

Raise your hands

if you say guilty.

Okay, that's 11 for guilty.

Not guilty?

Not guilty? Are you serious?

I can't deal with this today.

I've got a major business

dinner at seven.

It's pretty clear

to the rest of us.

Did everyone really

think this through?

Or are you just deciding

based on emotion?

What's to think through?

We have confessions!

That's a luxury

in most criminal cases.

Not only confessions,

but we have a video tape

of the actual crime.

For seven months,

24 hours a day,

they filmed themselves.

Which jury gets

that kind of evidence?

I thought through this case

during the entire trial.

All the while watching

the hours of footage

of their crime,

and listening to

their testimony.

I don't need to

think about it anymore.

Oh, what's there to think

about, really?

I mean, the law is the law.

We had plenty of time

to think about this

and we're all in agreement.

Except you.

- Why is it so cold in here?

- Yeah, it's freezing.

Thank God I wore this sweater.

Can we call somebody

to come fix the heat?

Our tax dollars at work, right?

You know, you'd think

that the government

could at least afford

to heat their own buildings.

I'll take a look.

Look, I'll call a bailiff

and have him call maintenance,

all right?

Let's just get back

to the vote, people.

Let's hope we're out

of here soon.

It won't even matter.

Well, we don't have

a unanimous decision yet,

so, looks like

we're not going anywhere.

Look, everyone.

I'm not saying that you didn't

think about what you heard.

I'm just raising

the logical question.

Are you saying guilty

out of emotion?

Or because you truly believe

legally

and morally

that they are guilty?

All right,

let's just think about

this thing for a minute, okay?

Let's talk this out.

Does anyone have

anything to say?

Honey, why don't you just tell

us what you're thinking,

so we... So we all understand?

Yeah, maybe we can help you

out of your confusion,

and you can realize

that they are guilty.

Since we've had

our minds made up,

why don't we try to explain

to her our thought processes?

We are in majority.

We have to convince her.

It's a good idea.

Why don't we go around the table

and see

what everyone has to say?

Anybody want to start?

We might as well go in order.

No, I'm the foreman,

so, I'll go last,

but you are number two,

why don't you start?

You know,

there's a reason courtrooms

have that justice statue

with a blindfold, right?

It's because justice

is based on facts

and the facts are,

they are guilty.

We have videotape

and confessions.

What more do you want?

I know what the facts are,

and I know how it looks to

the people in this room,

but I am saying that they are

not guilty

because I believe

the law says so.

Maybe they were justified?

What, now you're with her?

I'm just asking a question.

You saw Staci's two children,

the twins, testify.

They'd be dead if Dr. Wise

and the others

didn't kidnap Staci.

Not born.

- Huh?

- They're not dead.

They're just not yet born.

There's a huge difference.

Are you crazy?

Staci Horowitz wanted to

have an abortion

two months into her pregnancy,

and she had

a legal right to do so.

And these maniacs kidnapped her,

making her stay in a place

that was probably colder

than in here.

For seven months,

they incarcerated her,

and they played mind games

with the poor girl.

Christ! They even tried to

make her think

she was in hell

after she gave birth!

Come on, you two.

Get your senses together.

You can't hold us up here.

It's like you're kidnapping

us right now.

I just asked a question,

all right?

I'm not holding anything up.

He made a good point about

just how purposeful

and plotting these people were.

Those are the kind of things

the prosecutor talked about.

They planned

the kidnapping form months.

They rehearsed and rehearsed.

Tried to manipulate

Ms. Horowitz.

There's tons of footage.

You should be able

to find something

that shows plotting

and manipulation.

I'm one step ahead of you.

I didn't say that they didn't

plan it out.

- I'm just saying we should...

- Here.

Watch this again.

No, no, no, no!

You were all

on the operating table.

All ready to commit murder.

And now, your babies

will be given life,

just as God planned.

You're nuts.

You kidnapped us!

Lara,

the strongest of the three.

Strong has nothing to do

with my anger.

You violated my most precious

of constitutional rights!

What about the child's rights?

God's rights?

Please, stop the craziness.

Maybe, she's right.

What about the child's rights?

I was pressured into this

by Brandon.

I appreciate the support,

Natalie,

but you shouldn't slam Brandon.

You're an adult woman.

You made the choice.

Come here, child.

You decided to kill your baby.

Brandon couldn't make you,

could he?

Don't be weak, Natalie.

This is a cult.

Fanatics! You're a

throwback to 50 years ago

with all this

radical Christianity!

Your goal is to discriminate

against women.

I am a woman.

Don't use your femininity

as a crutch.

You stand for nothing

about gender equality,

when you want to take away

our most basic freedom.

Looks as if I was wrong,

Staci is the strongest.

I don't care about

who's the strongest,

and I don't care about

this stupid political debate!

I'm gonna get to the point.

What do you want from us?

Lara, the typical lawyer.

What do you want from us?

Not want...

demand. You will stay here,

in this room,

for the next seven months,

until you all simultaneously

give birth to your children.

I... I still can't believe that

she was part of the kidnapping.

- Who? Dr. Wise or Lara Foley?

- Lara Foley.

She just seemed so authentic.

Yeah, so did Natalie.

Hey! They all confessed.

They're right wing nuts.

They're like terrorists.

Instead of training with

machine guns and bombs,

they trained in acting.

They spent months getting

into their characters,

and going over some "loose

script", as they called it.

But there was so much that

couldn't have been scripted.

In fact, most of it.

It was a general idea, get it?

I can take out that

silly church doctor.

Lara? Lara?

The three of us can easily

eliminate her.

You don't know what's

behind that door or who.

There could be no one.

There probably is no one.

All we've seen is that woman,

and the suit on the TV.

And what if there are

more out there?

Don't you get it?

They're not gonna hurt us.

They can't hurt us because

they won't hurt the babies.

She is a scared little girl,

but you and I are women.

Come on.

I'm scared too

and what if that fence is real?

I'll try to cross it.

Look, I know you're frightened,

terrified and I know that you

feel guilty about the abortion,

but you're just buying into

their propaganda.

They're brainwashing us.

I really do think that what

I was about to do was wrong.

You weren't doing

anything wrong!

Let's say we eliminate Dr. Wise

and there's no one else here

with her.

Then we're home free.

Maybe, maybe there's

a phone or computer

and we can contact help.

- Yeah.

- But maybe not.

And you try to run into

the snow, desert,

wilderness,

wherever the hell we are,

and you pass out.

Natalie and I can't help you

for the same reason.

We can't help you because

we'd pass out trying.

Yes, and then you'll die in

the snow and so will your baby.

My baby?

I don't have a baby,

you stupid little girl!

I don't have

anything inside of me

I that even remotely resembles

a human being!

And neither do you,

nor does Lara!

Staci, I agree with you.

There's gonna be a lot of

brainwashing going on here.

I got to say I'm pretty impressed

with the performances.

I mean, these girls definitely

seem like kidnap victims to me.

But they weren't!

We've got confessions, remember?

And they all testified,

right in front of us at trial

admitting their damn atrocities.

Calm down, man. You don't act

to the foreman that way.

I just want to understand what

we're wasting time here for.

They're all obviously guilty.

Robert Lation,

Dr. Victoria Wise, Lara Foley,

and that young girl,

Natalie Fields.

All guilty of kidnapping

Staci Horowitz.

I don't see

how anyone can disagree.

It's the most open and

shut case I've ever seen.

You're correct.

They've told the police

they kidnapped her

and they've told us.

And they had surveillance

cameras up 24/7

for the entire seven months,

so, we can see the entire show.

I don't have seven months

to watch the whole show, okay?

I think we saw enough

of it at trial.

It's not a show.

It's a kidnapping.

It's a terrible crime against

that poor woman.

You're right, of course.

It was no Broadway play.

Look, I attended for a year

at a law school

before I changed my mind

and went to medical school.

Criminal law 101 says

that we have to look for

mens rea. The intent.

They all had the intent to

commit this crime.

So, it's up to us

to convict them.

You are all talking about their

intent and their planning.

Look at why they planned this.

Their purpose

was to prevent Staci

from aborting her children.

Roe V. Wade has not

been reversed.

She has the right to have

an abortion. It's still legal.

Are you saying it's okay

to commit crimes

to keep people from doing things

you don't agree with?

Imagine our society

if everybody acted that way.

Whoa, whoa, hold on a second.

Do you have kids?

Yes. Why?

Wouldn't you do

anything you could

to stop somebody trying to

hurt your kids?

I mean, even if it meant

risking getting arrested

and getting charged with

assault or something?

I would, no question.

Who wouldn't?

So, how does that make

these defendants justified?

Wait a minute,

there is a huge difference here.

I love my kids and I would

do anything for them,

but they are actually in

this world. They are alive.

When she was kidnapped,

Staci Horowitz's children,

they were not even born yet.

Yeah, you're saying it's okay

to commit crimes

to protect people

that don't exist?

What do you mean, "don't exist"?

Her children were very much

alive inside her womb.

You're telling me

that you consider them

children at that point?

They... They were fetuses,

masses of cells.

At two months,

they weren't even developed.

They're not even human

That's incorrect.

They were quite developed.

By the time Staci realized she

was pregnant,

her children's brains

were developing.

By the time she was kidnapped,

the babies had arms and legs,

and fingers and looked like

actual babies.

But really,

it doesn't even matter

what they look like

at that point.

From the moment of conception,

they were human lives.

Lives worth saving.

No, no, they weren't.

They were basically tissue.

No, no,

you're incorrect about that.

They were definitely lives

at the point of conception.

They were alive.

No one can argue that.

Alive, lives, yes.

But not human beings.

Hold on,

he just made a good point.

The fetuses are lives. What are

they if they're not human lives?

- Not lions or tigers or bears.

- Oh, my!

- It's not just a big joke.

- Thanks, man

I think we should take

another vote.

Shouldn't the foreman

decide that?

Well, I think anyone

can call for a vote.

This is getting more ridiculous

by the second.

We're gonna be stuck

in this freezing room all night.

Did anyone ever call the bailiff

so we can get

maintenance in here?

No. Because this juror

has kept us

locked in her baseless dialog,

while everyone knows that each

and everyone

of these defendants are guilty.

I called for a vote.

All right, let's take a vote.

Can we do this by secret ballot?

So, no one feels intimidated?

I don't see why not.

Here, why don't you rip this

to pieces so we can vote.

Good idea.

This damn thing

is stuck on 58 degrees.

The levers won't move

no matter how hard I try.

Hey, hey, don't break it.

They probably'll make us

pay for it if we break it.

Why don't you come here and vote

and then we'll call the bailiff.

Thank you.

Someone just pass it on to him.

- Now, take it easy, guys.

- It's cold in here.

Just hurry it up.

- All right, is that everybody?

- Yeah.

Guilty.

Guilty.

Guilty.

Guilty.

- Not guilty.

- Well, there's your vote.

- Not guilty.

- What?

I'm never gonna make it

to my meeting.

Excuse me, I don't care

about your meeting.

I want to hear

the rest of the results.

Whatever! We know whose vote

that was anyway, don't we?

Guilty.

Guilty.

Guilty.

Not guilty.

That's nine guilty

and three not guilty.

Who's the third not guilty?

You? The one who's suddenly

trying to tell us

that fetuses are human lives?

We didn't know who the second

vote was, much less the third.

This was a secret ballot,

remember?

Wrong! We know exactly who the

second not guilty vote is.

Oh, excuse me! I don't like you

standing over me like that.

I don't appreciate

your know-it-all attitude.

So, you're denying

you voted not guilty?

All right, I'm gonna have to

intercede here as the foreman.

Oh, hurray, hurray!

You're finally doing your job!

Now, could you please

try to convince

these imbeciles to do

what's right?

Hey, you, tough guy.

I'm starting to get

a little sick of you.

And you too, for that matter.

You don't call anyone in here

imbeciles or any other names

just because

they disagree with you.

Yeah, okay, whatever.

Why don't you sit down?

Turn around and be a man!

Look at me!

Hey, stop fighting! Fighting

is not gonna solve anything.

All right, that's enough!

Okay, now, we need to have

some type of order in here.

And that's my job as the

foreman, is to keep the order.

Not to change people's opinions.

Well, guess what?

Knock, knock. Who's there?

- I'm the third not guilty.

- Oh, my God!

You! Why?

I just thought about my kid

and my kid not being alive

and that thought's unbearable.

Look, if my wife tried

to have an abortion,

I'd hire someone to kidnap her

if I was thinking about this

in some retrospective way.

I just can't imagine my daughter

not being alive.

But kidnapping is not permitted

by law.

I don't know if it is

or isn't permitted.

I don't care. Not guilty.

Oh, my gosh!

Do you see what you've started?

People don't care about

following the law now.

Well, isn't that what should be

the focus here? The law?

I believe you're talking about

what you perceive

to be the law of God.

Maybe.

Remember the expert report in

the charts on fetal development?

And the way the babies looked

after they were aborted?

Aborted at all different stages

of life.

With their heads crushed,

and their tiny little arms

and legs dismembered.

That's a bloody mess

of human body parts.

Perhaps we should have someone

bring in the photographs

and the charts

so we can go over them?

No! Oh, Christ!

We remember. We don't

need to go over it again.

Would anyone like to see them?

I think we can just talk it out.

Discuss the medicine and

the biology of the fetuses.

Just discuss it, right?

When the fetus

is about an inch big,

that's when most abortions

take place.

Do you consider that

a human life?

They are human lives from the

moment of conception. Period.

When a sperm fertilizes an egg,

it creates unique DNA.

And that is the blueprint

for a unique human being.

The original cell that's

created is a human being

already male or female father.

With genes from the mother

and father.

From that point on,

it's a matter of development.

So,

at any point after conception,

if that human life is harmed,

a crime is being committed

Your passion equals

your ignorance.

And that isn't name calling.

I'm just trying to educate you,

young lady.

Simply, it's not a human life

at conception

nor for sometime afterward.

It's as I stated before,

just a mass of cells.

In layman's term,

it can't see, it can't touch,

it can't walk,

and it can't think.

Do you consider that

a human being?

It's just aggregation of cells.

So what if it's one cell?

It's alive, isn't it?

It has the DNA for a human,

not a horse,

or a fish, or monkey, right?

So, it's a human life.

I would not consider that

the point where life begins.

Well, then, where is the point

where life begins?

- You're asking me?

- I'm asking anyone or everyone.

You know, they talked about this

in the videos.

Let's go back

to the footage first

so I can see what they said.

They were watching

the guys on TV

and that one guy was eating

deviled eggs and talking.

While he is looking for

the right DVD,

can someone please

call the maintenance guy?

It's freezing in here.

My teeth are chattering

and I haven't even finished

paying for them yet.

Damn!

I just have the judge's

extension which is 1225.

So, ready to admit you are

the other not guilty vote?

It was a secret ballot.

You know what?

Here's something public for you.

I'm changing my vote.

I'm not guilty.

This is just unbelievable!

What?

This is just unbelievable!

Staci Horowitz was kidnapped.

She was taken from her family

and her friends

and her life for seven months.

Look, she can change her vote

if she wants. It's her right.

Exactly, but let's just be

on track here, please.

It is our duty and our right

to convince each other

to follow the law.

And I think if we discuss this

under the scope of the law,

maybe we can bring these fallen

angels back on the right side.

Okay, our fallen angels are now

juror number seven, of course.

Uh, six.

Two and...

So, we're not doing

the secret ballot anymore?

Apparently not.

All right, I was the fourth

not guilty vote.

- I knew it.

- Number ten.

Okay, so let's get into

some of this logic.

This has the actual discussion

about when a fetus becomes a

human life. Let's take a look.

Well, exactly what relevance

does this make

that the defendant can legally

keep Staci Horowitz

against her will?

It means everything. Legally.

Obviously,

abortion at any time is evil.

Obviously, but what do you care?

I don't.

But I have to have good answers

to smart position points.

Okay. Let's work though one.

Sure. I'll be the pro-life

goody two-shoes

and you can be the pro-choice

self-interested baby-killer.

Splendid.

And I'll play it like I'm a

thoughtful pro-choice person

who has a clear line drawn on

when abortion should be legal.

All right.

Would you murder a baby

one minute after it was born?

Of course not.

One second after it was born?

No. How could I?

It's a human baby.

But you would abort a baby

one second before it was born.

Because at that point, it's

not a human life yet, right?

- No, I couldn't.

- A minute before it was born?

- No.

- One day before birth?

- Come on.

- A week?

Ten days before?

No, it's human being

at that point.

One month before

the baby is born?

You would surely kill it then?

Well...

Is it 45 days

before the baby is born?

Two months before

the baby's born?

When does this mass of cells

magically transform

into a human being?

- Three months.

- Okay. At three months,

the fetus is

magically transformed

into a human being.

One day before that?

It was worthless.

Worthy to have its skull crushed

and sucked from the mother's

body by a vacuum.

One day before and

everything magically changes?

Well?

Well, probably most of us

wouldn't agree

with an abortion

when it is close to the end,

but I think it's open to

interpretation

about when it's

considered a baby.

I think when it can actually

live on its own.

You obviously didn't listen to

the experts during the trial.

Because if you had,

you'd know that that theory

is always changing based on

advances in medicine.

In 1973,

when Roe V. Wade was decided,

a baby couldn't

live outside the mother

any earlier than six months.

So, in 1973, five month old

fetuses weren't human beings.

Therefore, abortionists could

just blast their brains

to smithereens

and kill them like a house fly.

But today,

since the babies can survive

outside the womb at five months,

they're all of a sudden

human beings.

That doesn't make any sense.

They were always human beings.

There's got to be something in

the law we can use as guidance.

Does anyone actually know what

the law states about that?

Oh, remember,

we can ask the judge questions,

so, why don't we just do that?

Sure,

let's just waste more time.

Yeah,

we have nothing better to do.

Don't be rude. I think we should

definitely call the judge.

While you are at it,

can you ask him about the

freezing temperatures in here?

I spoke to the secretary.

She said a maintenance worker

would be here soon.

Hello?

Uh, yes, it's the foreman in the

Robert Lation, Victoria Wise

and Lara...

- The abortion case?

- Yeah, yeah, the abortion case.

Okay, so, how can I help you?

Well, we got a question

here for the judge.

Sure, what is it?

I'll pass it on to him.

Is there any law that says

what constitutes a human life?

I mean, like, if there's a baby,

a fet...

If there's something growing

inside of a woman?

Sounds like a

well thought out question.

I'll ask Judge Solomon.

"Something that's growing

inside of a woman"?

Let's just be honest here.

It's a human life

no matter what you try to argue.

It's not matter of opinion.

It's scientific fact.

Let's revisit the charts

on fetal development.

Hello, jury members.

Oh, well, this isn't

usual judicial protocol.

I've decided to stop by and

answer your question personally.

Usually, the bailiff just,

you know,

brings me notes,

I send those back, but,

well, I'm a regular guy,

just like all of you, so,

why not answer your questions

in person?

I'd just be sitting in my office

reading some boring legal text

or...

...watching

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

That's a good movie.

So, to answer your question, if

a person shoots a pregnant woman

in the stomach,

or the face for that matter,

and the baby, or the fetus

dies along with her...

that person is guilty

of a double homicide.

But is the fetus considered

a human life under the law?

And we're still freezing

in here, Your Honor!

The fact that the unborn child

is taken into consideration

in a case like this

means that the fetus is indeed

considered a human being

according to the law.

You know, I think I'm gonna

change my vote.

What? Just like that?

Without examining the law?

No, not just like that.

That video that

Dr. Wise had Staci watch,

it made a whole lot of sense.

Nobody can say

the point at which

a fetus magically transforms

into a human being.

Is it an hour before birth?

A week? A month?

Three months? Who knows?

They're just way too much risk

that we're killing

a human being.

And like the judge said,

if a pregnant woman is murdered,

the fetus dies,

that constitutes

a double homicide

and I think based on that

the law dictates that the fetus

does constitute human life.

All right, let's vote again.

Um, let's do not guilty first.

So, five for not guilty.

What about guilty?

Wait a minute. You, Mr. Foreman,

you didn't raise your hand

for either.

He's right.

Well, sir, what's your vote?

As you said, you're the one

who's been charged

with being in control here,

keeping things orderly.

This is not setting

a good example.

You're correct.

This has just gotten difficult.

- It's not difficult to me.

- Certainly not to me!

Some of you have just gone

completely off the deep end

because of this radical,

little Christian girl here.

I've my own mind, all right?

Now, she might have made

a few good points

which others built on,

and the judge

with his few words solidified,

but, for me,

it was this young lady.

Me?

Yes, ma'am. You.

You have succinctly

summarized it. At least, for me.

So, I have to change

my vote to not guilty.

I don't believe this. I'm gonna

push back my business meeting.

What is so important

about this business meeting?

You keep talking about it.

What is so important about it?

None of your business.

Do you like that? Huh? Huh?

That's a double entendre.

I'm using business

in two different ways.

You're acting like a moron.

Let's go back to what

we were doing before, okay?

Going around the table

and each giving our argument

about why they are guilty.

There was so much clarity when

we walked out of that courtroom

and first walked into this room.

Very true. I believe

if we can actually focus

on the law of kidnapping itself,

this can become

very simple again.

And you, or some of you,

who have changed your vote

to not guilty

will go back very quickly

to guilty.

Even me?

Who was never at guilty?

It seems that you have

a special understanding

of the law, my dear.

I hope that the legal reasons

shed some light on you

and your way of thinking.

There is a light

at the end of this tunnel

and I believe

that you will ultimately see it.

Can we disband

the light analogies?

I believe I'm next.

Given that only

juror number two had spoken

when we were presenting our

arguments in a systematic,

organized manner.

Well said!

Let's get a move on this.

They are guilty

because they have violated

Staci's basic rights

to life, liberty,

the pursuit of happiness.

They took away her way of life

as she knew it, and liberty.

Forget liberty, she was stuck

in a room for seven months!

Now, let's take an exact look at

what Robert Lation,

the ringleader

of the kidnapping...

had to say about his role in it.

Do not speak.

Do not say a word.

You not only have the right

to remain silent...

...you will remain silent

while I speak. Understood?

- Yes.

- I said remain silent.

Now, you're probably

wondering who I am.

The same as you wondering

who the other women are

who're standing with you.

Same as you're wondering

where you are,

the same as you're wondering

why you are where you are.

You have all committed

a terrible sin.

Ah, Ms. Posey,

you're the first to realize.

Think of me as a member

of the criminal justice system.

Unfortunately for you,

I'm not a lawyer.

Nor I am the police,

nor a prosecutor

and alas, I'm not the judge.

No, I'm not your judge, ladies.

I am... your jailer.

Calls himself their jailer.

Under the law, if you jail

someone against her will,

you're guilty of kidnapping.

- It's as clear as that.

- Of course, it is. Great point.

These girls, they weren't even

allowed to speak

unless they were

given permission.

- Girl.

- Huh?

Girl. Singular, remember?

Staci Horowitz,

who was kidnapped.

Lara Posey and Laura Fields

were a part of the crime.

I know, that's right.

I... Yes.

These girls were just pretending

to be in this hell with her.

Oh, please. Cry me a river!

This was barely hell.

Staci was fed well, clothed,

she had medical care

and she wasn't in

a freezing room like this.

At least they had heat.

You want to see hell?

Come to my empty bed

every night. Now, that's hell!

Please, don't diminish

what happened to her.

She was held captive

for seven months.

You know, comfortable

accommodations or not.

Well, let's also get

all the facts straight.

Robert Lation was the only one

they had to ask permission

to speak,

and he wasn't around that often.

Other than him,

they were allowed to speak

freely at all times.

In fact,

they were encouraged to have

thoughtful discussions

about abortion.

Both pro-life and pro-choice.

This tells us a lot.

Before we go any further,

I want you all to really

understand a few things.

Yes. We certainly want

to change your minds.

But we know we can't do that by

shoving things down your throat.

So, you will just be watching

movies and documentaries,

reading books,

hearing experts speak.

You'll hear opinions on both

sides of the coin.

From everyone and everyone.

And then we'll have an

opportunity to do something

that no one really ever has.

We'll have

an abortion think-tank

for the next seven months.

Oh, yes.

Nonstop discussions

and probably arguments

on the wholly

important topic of abortion.

If your minds are changed,

we've had a huge bonus.

If not, that most important

primary goal has still been met.

Natalie, Lara, Staci,

look at me.

We will never hurt you.

I promise you.

As soon as your babies are born,

you'll all be freed.

We should be taking away

two important things

from that segment.

First,

we should be having the same

thoughtful discussion

about abortion.

Just as Dr. Wise said,

discussing both sides

of the coin

so we can really understand

what's at stake here.

And, second,

right from the beginning,

she told Staci

that she wouldn't be harmed

and that she would be freed

as soon as she gave birth

and that's exactly

what happened.

Staci was freed right after she

delivered her babies

and she was never harmed.

Honey, there are many

different kinds of harm.

Having your liberty restrained

constitutes harm under the law.

As for psychological harm,

here, we'll look at this now.

The three of you already had

your chance to choose life. Hmm.

And you failed.

You were told earlier that

you're gonna stay with Dr. Wise

until you give birth and

that will never change.

Dr. Wise?

Should you have any thoughts

of escape,

you should know that you are

hundreds of miles

- from any other people.

- Where are we?

Young lady, kindly understand

that you're never to speak

when I'm with you,

unless I specifically

give you permission!

Dr. Wise.

Lift up the back of your hair.

Touch high up on your neck.

You have bandages there

where I have implanted

small electronic devices.

It was minor laser surgery,

but nonetheless

a necessary procedure

to ensure that we meet

that primary goal.

Now, Staci, do you have a

question? Just one, please.

What are these electronic

devices supposed to do to us?

That's a good question.

Dr. Wise.

Under the unlikely circumstances

that you should escape

this building

into the frost-bitten cold of

night in your little nightgown,

you will pass out within ten

feet of the door.

Any of you have a dog?

You have one of those invisible

electronic fences

that are in your yard

or under the ground?

No. But you all understand

how the invisible

electronic fences work?

Zip! The dog get stung

if it passes the fence.

Dr. Wise.

Well, you won't get stung.

But you will pass out.

Of course,

the baby won't be harmed

as a low voltage

electronic impulse

will release a harmless

anesthetic into your bloodstream

that will temporarily cause you

to lose consciousness

and then we'll retrieve you

from the snow.

Enjoy the accommodations.

Under the law,

I'm sure you'll all agree

that implanting an electronic

device in someone's head

which could cause them to be

rendered unconscious is harmful.

Again, good point.

You both are missing something

here that's critical.

Dr. Wise never implanted

the device in Stacy Horowitz.

After her release, she was

examined by several doctors,

and all their medical reports

came back negative

for any surgeries

performed on her.

The fact is,

it was just a scare tactic.

Yes. But that scare tactic

equates harm as much as a

physical beating.

And months of restraint

causes harm just the same.

Victoria Wise, Robert Lation,

Lara Foley and Natalie Fields

through their illicit

kidnapping conspiracy

are all guilty of

causing Staci Horowitz

to suffer extreme

psychological damages.

But if they hadn't held Staci

for seven months,

we would have two dead babies

instead of those two beautiful

seven year old children

we all saw speak at trial.

And that's the heart

of this case.

Dana, Nicholas,

I'm Marina Durov. I'm a lawyer.

I'm here to talk to you about

your biological mum and dad.

Do you understand what I mean by

your biological mum and dad?

- No.

- I do.

My real mommy and daddy

aren't my real mommy and daddy,

other ones are.

Nicholas, now do you understand?

Yes, my parents told me about

Staci and James.

That's right.

Staci Horowitz and James Rice

are your biological mom and dad.

Your biological dad

would like to meet you.

- Would you like that, Dana?

- Yes, I would love to meet him.

How about you, Nicholas?

I don't know. Can we talk about

something else?

Yes, we can talk about

something else for a while.

But we have to talk about your

biological daddy again, okay?

Okay,

but can we talk about cars?

I love famous cars.

What kind of cars do you have?

I have all kinds of cars.

I have a Porsche, a Mercedes,

a BMW, a Camaro and a Mustang.

But they are not real cars,

they're just little toy cars.

Okay.

These are two wonderful,

living human beings.

It's a fact that

they would be dead today

if Dr. Wise and the others

hadn't helped Staci.

You're just playing

on our emotions.

This is what I was

talking about before.

Whoever their parents are now,

I'm sure,

couldn't imagine life

without them.

Just watching them

give me chills

thinking they would have been

butchered and not here.

This is my son, Steven.

He's 15. Great kid.

You should see him

play lacrosse.

He's handsome. Bet he's got

a lot of girlfriends, huh?

Oh, yeah.

He's constantly on his phone,

texting, tweeting,

I don't know what.

He doesn't even know

half the kids.

Same with mine.

They're only eight and nine.

You know, I can't remember

the last time

we had a real conversation.

It's like his phone is

surgically attached to his hand.

So, you see where

I'm coming from then?

No. Just the opposite.

The fact that my wife

chose to have my son

doesn't disallow somebody

else from choosing not to.

Steven's a great kid,

but when he was just conceived,

even after a couple of months,

he was still just that

lump of cells.

So, it would have been all right

if he'd been aborted

by your wife?

Abortion is legal. If she'd

wanted to have it, she could.

If the man wanted

the abortion to happen,

he could have wanted that too.

They could do with it

whatever they wanted to.

Now, he's an "it"?

Taking out the humanity

makes it easier, doesn't it?

Not guilty.

These two beautiful children

deserve to live.

And I feel awful.

You feel awful?

Why do you feel awful?

Because I voted

not guilty before.

And that no matter

how it was done

these beautiful children

would not be alive.

I had never thought of it

this way at all, but...

their lives are just more

important than the law.

And you are right.

Not guilty.

You wanted

the expert report charts

on child development

in the womb?

Yes, how did you know?

Oh, either I'm a mind reader

or secretly and illegally

listening to your deliberations.

Or...

Or I quietly picked up the phone

and asked the secretary for them

while we were watching the

twins' testimony.

Or that.

I allowed into evidence

the twins custody battle

deposition testimony

and the deposition testimony

from the real father

for a reason.

And what was that, Your Honor?

I find it irrelevant whether as

the defendants are guilty

for kidnapping Staci Horowitz.

I didn't find it irrelevant.

I had another question

about the law.

Yes?

Let's say we have

the following facts.

Jennifer is pregnant,

she wants to keep the baby,

but Kelly is jealous of her

and tries to kill the baby

by swinging a baseball bat

into her stomach.

Then, Michael,

who's in a wheelchair,

shoots and kills Kelly

to stop her

from killing the baby that's

inside Jennifer's stomach.

Why is Michael in a wheelchair?

I don't know, I just thought

it made it more interesting.

- Right, it did.

- Yup.

So, how old is the fetus?

Let's say two months.

Ah, fetus is two months old, so

Michael shoots and kills Kelly

to prevent her from killing the

fetus. So, the question is,

did he act legally

in defense of another?

Did he have the right to use

lethal force

to save the life of

a two-month-old fetus?

- Your Honor, what's the answer?

- Go through that file first.

Wow, it's cold in here.

I don't know how anyone can sit

through this at trial

and not clearly see a human

growing and changing

by the week?

- Looks like a baby.

- No question.

My turn.

May I have that, please?

What you are calling a baby

looks more like a tadpole.

It has no eyes or ears.

It's barely distinguishable

as male or female.

So, you think

that's more important

than punishing the kidnappers?

Wow, at seven weeks old,

it actually really does look

like a baby.

Yes, that's what I mean.

Let's pass that around.

Staci Horowitz was kidnapped

at about eight weeks.

If you knew, or for the men,

your female significant other

had this growing inside you,

would you kill this?

This is clearly a baby.

We've been loosely playing this

game that each person get a turn

to make his or her argument.

And, so far, only a few of us

have gone and now it's my turn.

Instead of taking my turn,

I have a request.

Could you please

go to that board

and write down all the

points for an acquittal?

Just short, simple recapping

of everything

that we've already gone through

that would give

a not guilty verdict.

Sure.

And on that board over there,

can someone please write down

all the points

that would be

for a guilty verdict.

I'll be happy to do that.

Thank you.

- Can I go first?

- Sure.

I am listing what we have been

discussing today, is that right?

Yes.

Staci was kidnapped from an

abortion clinic,

that's number one.

And she was held

for seven months.

So, it's not like they held her

for two weeks, or two days.

It was a very long kidnapping.

The prosecution made that point

strongly.

The defendants put her through

all kinds of mental torture.

And making her have babies

against her will,

and making her believe that

she had a chip in her head

that might knock

her unconscious.

And in making her

actually believe

that she was in hell

after she gave birth.

Not to mention the physical pain

she had to suffer

to deliver two babies.

You're lucky that's something

you'll never have to endure.

What's next?

Miss Horowitz was forced

to undergo

medical treatments

against her will.

Not just compelled

to deliver the babies,

but by having many

non-consensual examinations

performed by Dr. Wise.

And how about this?

Staci had a legal right

to the abortion

and they had no right

to stop her.

Young lady, your case.

Staci Horowitz was carrying

two live human beings.

At the time when

she was first taken in

by Dr. Wise and the others...

look at this, her fetuses were

identifiable as human beings.

The twins who are now

seven-years-old

and beautiful would be dead.

No doctor, no scientist,

no educator, no one

has truly identified

when a fetus miraculously

transforms into a human life.

And after I write

everyone's point,

I will add a few of my own.

And now, I'm gonna

add my finishing touch.

And how does the law

define a human life?

The judge told us that if

a person kills

a pregnant woman

and the baby in her stomach,

he's guilty of a double murder.

No matter what the age

of the fetus is.

So, at any stage of life,

the fetus is considered

a human being.

Here are your two lists.

Thank you.

Number six, your turn

I've given my reasons why I

changed my vote

and I've said

all that I have to say.

So, I think I'll pass

on my turn.

Do we really need to

play by all these rules

of going in turns for everyone?

- I suppose not.

- Then let me say this.

You can debate all you want.

Is this a baby? Is this a fetus?

But what about the fact

that abortion is legal?

Everyone, abortion is legal.

Roe V. Wade has been the law of

the land for 40 years!

Staci Horowitz wanted

to have an abortion

and she had a legal

right to do so.

These guys are right wing nuts.

They were trying to

impose their views

and stop her from having

the abortion

I'm a vegetarian but I don't

kidnap people

to stop them from eating meat.

You know,

that's actually a good point.

I'm an NRA member but I wouldn't

kidnap some anti-gun nut

just because I disagree with his

beliefs. Like, that's extreme.

It's more than just agreeing

or disagreeing.

When a human life is at stake,

it far outweighs everything

else, including rights.

Well... I believe

in the right to choose.

A woman does not have to

have a child

if she doesn't want to.

So, I'm not changing

my vote, ever.

They're guilty.

The right to choose

is indeed very important.

What about the cases

of rape and incest?

Should those women be forced

to have those children?

Yes, of course.

It's a terrible experience

to suffer rape or incest.

But if a human life is

created as a result,

that innocent child

should be allowed to live.

You know, I was sort of with you

there for a while,

but I don't agree with that

at all.

Are you some kind of

religious nut

like Dr. Wise and Robert Lation?

I don't know what you mean

by "religious nut",

but I do have

a very strong faith.

I believe that the Bible

is the word of God

and is 100 percent true.

Okay, then show me in the Bible

where it says anything

about abortion?

One of the ten commandments.

Thou shall not kill.

That's talking about

actual acts of murders.

From one person to the other.

Real, living people, of course.

Yes, that's exactly what

we have with abortion.

While it's true

that the word abortion

is never mentioned in the Bible,

there are tons of passages

that clearly address

the sanctity of human life.

- Can we get a Bible in here?

- Oh, this is a disaster!

Can you also get a copy of

Webster's Dictionary,

The Farmers' Almanac,

today's newspaper and

a copy of Sports Illustrated?

Swimsuit edition, please.

Hey, yes. This is foreman from

the abortion case.

Uh, we need to

get a Bible in here.

- What version?

- What version?

I don't know, What do you got?

We have King James version.

King James? Cool, that'll work.

Hey, you got any word on the

heat yet? It's freezing in here.

Hello?

Steve, old buddy,

looks like I won't be home

in time for dinner tonight.

Now, I've been working for weeks

to get this business meeting

together.

And now, I'm gonna miss it,

thanks to you guys. Thank you.

Whoa! I needed a break.

From

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly?

Uh. From my very warm office.

- Who asked for a Bible?

- I did.

Are you preaching

or deliberating?

We're hoping it'll help

with our deliberating.

You know, it looks like you're

being really thorough

and thoughtful. That's good.

Good.

Do you have the answer

to my last legal question?

Sure do.

For starters, Genesis 1:27:

"So God created man

in his own image,

in the image of God

created him he

male and female

created he them."

What does this have

to do with abortion?

God created humans in his image.

We are all set apart from all of

God's creations.

Genesis 1:28: "And God blessed

them and God said unto them,

Be fruitful, and multiply,

and replenish the earth,

and subdue it

and have dominion

over the fish of the sea,

and over the fowl of the air,

and over every living thing

that moveth upon the earth."

Does that sound like

God wants us

to kill innocent human beings?

That's totally open

to interpretation.

Is that really

what you think it means?

I mean, someone else may think

something completely different.

That's where faith comes in.

You pray, you study.

You call upon what God helps you

to just know to be true.

Great, a sermon.

- Of course, there's more.

- But, wait, there's more.

Psalm 22:10:

"I was cast upon thee

from the womb

thou art my God

from my mother's belly.

God loves us and protects us

from the moment we are

conceived.

Obviously, He doesn't want

someone He loves to be killed.

And Psalm 139:13-14 says:

"Thou hast covered me

in my mother's womb.

I will praise thee; For I am

fearfully and wonderfully made."

Faith is manipulation of

common sense, my dear.

And even if you want to argue

God loves people,

it's not necessarily saying

anything about abortion.

Nor about the law

we're obligated to follow.

Are you so sure?

We must follow the law of God

above all else.

That's if you believe in God.

Who are you to impose your

religious views

on us in here in a jury room

where we're supposed to be

deliberating a kidnapping case.

We need a separation

of Church and hate.

Yes, I have my faith.

My total belief in God,

but for those of you

who aren't there yet,

what is all-American law

based upon?

American law,

English law, all law,

they're all first and foremost

based on 10 Commandments.

The gentlemen next to you

brought up the 10 Commandments.

The Commandment that says

"thou shall not kill",

that should be pertinent

to everyone in here.

Every translation,

every biblical scholar,

anyone who studied

ancient texts,

everyone agrees that that

means 'thou shall not murder'.

As in killing innocent life.

What's more innocent

than an unborn child?

I'm not religious, so I'm going

to look at this differently.

I'm not saying that she's

right or wrong

about that stuff in the Bible,

but I think we need to look at

the hard facts

written on that chart.

Ah, excuse me, everyone, the

maintenance staff has gone home.

It's after five,

but you're lucky,

I know quite a bit about heat.

This guy's never gonna

let us be together, Stevo.

Looks like I'm gonna be

stuck here forever.

I think I know

what the problem is,

that I have to work under the

boiler rooms.

It should be working soon.

So, as I was saying,

I think it's really egregious

that they mess with

Staci's mind.

It was bad enough

that they kidnapped her,

but on top of it to...

to force her to watch

those crazy horror films.

They gave her nightmares.

I mean,

I thought that was horrible.

I would have really freaked out

if I had to

watch things like that.

Now, this will add to the

mental torture on the chart.

You have the right to do what

you want with your own body.

If you don't want the fetus,

abort it.

Abort the fetus

if you don't want it.

It's your body, abort it!

It's your body,

do what you want with it.

Abort the fetus

if you don't want it.

Abort the baby!

Abort the baby!

Abort the baby.

Abort the baby!

Abort the baby!

Abort the fetus.

Well, definitely freaky.

Still doesn't change my mind.

Seems like cruel and

unusual punishment to me.

You may not agree with

some of their tactics,

but they had a singular purpose.

To save those children.

And they had to use

various means to do that.

You know,

I'm a pretty rational man,

now I'm getting down

to the basics.

Staci Horowitz made a choice

not to have a child,

or children as it turns out.

She doesn't want to

have a child.

That's a personal choice.

So be it.

It's between her and her doctor.

But it's not that simple.

You're forgetting

one important piece,

she had a husband.

And he wanted to have the child.

Can we revisit his

deposition testimony again?

I'm already there.

Staci had

completely deceived me.

When we decided to end

our marriage,

I knew she was pregnant.

She knew that I wanted her

to keep the child.

I asked her repeatedly. I begged

her not to have the abortion.

But then, she just went ahead

and did it.

Did Ms. Horowitz

state her reason

why she went ahead with

the abortion?

She was enacting some

kind of revenge against me.

I decided to leave her for

another woman,

which I know, of course,

hurt her.

She said to me,

"You have put me through

so much pain and sadness.

Now it's your turn

to feel pain and sadness."

Revenge or not, it was Staci's

right to have the abortion.

That's the uncontested law.

I have to say,

I feel bad for the guy.

What's worse is he still

hasn't met the children.

Go to the part where he talks

about the judge

not letting him have custody.

Okay, one second.

None of this is relevant as to

whether the defendants

are guilty of kidnapping.

I'm interested in seeing

his testimony again.

What's up with you?

You just like to make requests

and listen to things

without offering any opinions.

I've given a few opinions,

and how I evaluate things

is none of your business.

Eh.

Here, I've got it.

And after Staci was released,

did you see your babies?

No. I didn't even know

she was kidnapped.

I thought she had an abortion

and took off.

I found out that I had two

infant children

about a month after

they let her go.

I... I got a letter

from Dr. Victoria Wise

telling me that

I had a boy and a girl.

What did you do

when found that out?

I went to a lawyer, and I filed

for custody

in St. Louis where I live.

But... At first we couldn't

even locate where Staci was.

And we had to file all kinds of

papers to get her into court.

She was out in Los Angeles

and the courts there

made us appear there.

By that time,

it was, it was a year later.

Staci had given up my babies

for adoption.

And she had a special request.

That my children be split up

and be given different adoptive

parents.

And this crazy judge

agreed with her.

He gave her what she wanted.

He said that she had gone

through a horrific ordeal

and if things had been done

correctly under the law

she would have had an abortion.

To rectify things, he said,

her wishes should be granted.

So...

now my daughter is somewhere

in Oregon

and my son's in Maryland.

Why wouldn't the judge

give you custody?

Didn't he believe

you're the biological father?

Staci had lied and said she

didn't know who the father was.

Okay,

so we had a paternity test,

and it proved that I am

their father.

But, the judge said

it was too late.

That Dana and Nicholas were with

their adoptive parents

for too long

and it was in their

best interest to stay with them.

So, now I'm still fighting

in federal court instead.

I won't stop, I can't.

I don't know how a woman could

kill my children,

when I want them to be alive.

And I don't know why I can't

have my children now,

my flesh and blood,

when I so desperately want them.

There's no justice

in this insane world.

Not for me, and not for them.

I certainly don't agree with

everything you're saying,

and I certainly don't agree

with everything on that list.

But, I'm changing my vote

to not guilty.

You know, if for nothing else,

just so that man can have some

kind of justice.

You can't be serious!

What does this have to do

with her being kidnapped?

Two wrongs do not make a right!

Perhaps they do.

I suddenly can't help thinking

that these children

deserve some justice.

I don't know about the notion

that they would be dead.

I still think that they would

just not be born

if she had had the abortion.

Oh, with the definitional stuff,

it doesn't matter.

They are here now. And whether

or not they know it today...

they have been through

a terrific ordeal.

I think that they will

understand it in time.

Specifically,

they'll understand this,

that they would not

have been born

if it weren't for the

defendants in this case.

That their father

wanted them to be born.

And he wanted to care for them

when they were alive

and living in this world.

They need us to recognize that.

And we can do that by...

showing that their lives

have value.

By rendering a not guilty

verdict in this case.

I think a few wrongs here

can make things right

for these children.

They deserve... some justice.

Not guilty.

If you want definitions

and insanity,

what has happened here

is the definition of insanity.

All right,

let's just take another vote.

Okay. Now, there's more not

guilty at this point.

So, why don't we just

start there.

All those in favor of

not guilty raise your hands.

So, that's nine for not guilty.

Yes? You have a question?

No. I want to change

my vote to not guilty.

You are? For what reason?

Well, just because I think

they're not guilty now.

I know why I changed my mind,

and I made it clear early on.

I've heard everyone else give

their reasons.

I'm curious, what's yours?

Well, I thought about my kids

not being born

and it turned me into a wuss.

Yeah, that's funny. You know,

we've all been discussing this

with great passion,

and you've been firm on guilty.

I think we have a right to know.

I changed my mind.

You said I would.

"We have a legal right to vote

any way we want."

So, I am voting not guilty,

so we can get out

of this damn place,

and I can get to my meeting.

That's no reason to change your

vote, man.

Don't you...

Don't you have any principles?

Don't you have any values?

Don't you have anything

that you believe in?

Were you voting guilty early on

just because everyone was?

So that you could leave

and go to your precious meeting?

No, no, no and yes.

You may not understand

my methods,

but my purpose is singular.

And now, get out of my face.

Guys, that's enough.

That's it?

You're a disgrace.

And yet, the ladies love me.

Don't be bitter, kitty litter.

That leaves just two

of you at guilty.

I can't get past

what the law is.

It seems to me that you're all

engaging in

what is called

"jury nullification."

Your voting not guilty

is in direct contradiction

to the statute of kidnapping

based on rationale

that has nothing to do

with the law.

That's not so.

While many of these items are

not directly part of the law,

they're all part

of its fundamental fabric.

And they're all crucial

in determining

whether or not a crime

has been committed in this case.

And here the law

clearly supports

that a fetus is defined

as a human life.

And if it's a human life,

then protecting that human life

is surely legal.

I'm surprised at your thinking.

You're young. It's obvious

you're well educated.

You probably had

a good career going.

Most women in your position

are in favor of women's rights.

I am in favor of women's rights,

and men's rights,

and children's rights and

unborn children's rights.

No one has the right to take the

life of an innocent human being,

period.

I'm sure in many abortion cases,

these women don't think

of it at all. Not that way.

Many women it's just not the

right time for their lives.

Think about it.

Think about this on a real

personal level.

Be true to yourself.

What if you had been

working hard,

trying to advance

in your career,

and then, all of a sudden,

you get pregnant?

And being pregnant

is going to set you back.

Maybe even cause you to lose

your job,

maybe even your entire career.

For many women, it just isn't

the right time for them.

So, they want to take the lives

of their unborn children

based on convenience?

That's not justifiable.

If you get pregnant,

you have to deal with it.

"Deal with it"?

It's not that simple.

What about all those poor women

who cannot afford

to have a child?

If they do carry

through the pregnancy,

the child will be just born into

a life of poverty.

Not to mention that all of us,

and the rest of us will be

paying for those kids

since the mothers

will be on welfare forever.

You cannot take a life

based on convenience.

Whether you're a financially

stable woman who's educated

and doesn't want

to pause her career.

Or a financially

distressed mother

who thinks she can't

afford to feed another mouth.

Looks like we're at

a perpetual stalemate.

Shall we call the judge

and tell him we're a hung jury?

I have the answer

to your last legal question.

I'll recite your fact pattern

from memory.

Jennifer is pregnant,

she wants to keep the baby,

but Kelly is jealous of her

and tries to kill the baby

inside Jennifer,

by like smashing a baseball

bat into her stomach.

And Michael who is in

a wheelchair

shoots and kills Kelly

to keep her from killing

the baby from inside Jennifer.

And the fetus is two months old.

- That's all correct?

- Yes, Your Honor.

Michael's killing of Kelly is

not murder,

it is not a homicide at all.

It is a justifiable killing

under the self-defense statute

or more specifically under the

defense of another statute.

You with me?

You are permitted to use lethal

force to defend the life

of a human being.

That's correct.

You're legally permitted to use

deadly force against a person

if that person is using deadly

force against another person.

So, in your fact pattern,

Michael is legally able

to kill Kelly

because Kelly is using deadly

force against the fetus...

the baby...

inside Jennifer's belly. See.

So, again, Your Honor, the fetus

is defined as a human being.

Now, here's your law.

The one-month old fetus

is defined,

under the law, as a human life.

Both in

the double murder scenario

and the defense of

another scenario.

Now, let's apply this law

to the facts

of the Staci Horowitz case.

Dr. Wise and the others

held Staci

to save the lives of the

two-month old fetuses

that were inside her stomach.

They saved the lives of these

two babies just the same as

Michael did

when he killed Kelly.

The only difference is that

Dr. Wise and her team

didn't kill Staci

to stop the killing

of the babies.

They didn't use

lethal force at all.

They simply held Staci for seven

months until she gave birth.

They allowed Staci to live,

just like her babies.

Under the defense

of another statute,

their alleged kidnapping

was not a crime at all.

It was a justified use of force

to defend a human being's life.

And that's the law.

We have to acquit.

She's right. Oh, my God.

She's right. She's right.

Oh, my God.

Yes, she's right.

I will not acquit!

I will not acquit!

- I will not acquit!

- Oh, my God.

I will not acquit!

I will never acquit!

They're guilty! They're guilty!

They are guilty!

They are guilty!

I am not guilty!

I will never acquit!

They're guilty!

They're guilty!

I am not guilty!

They're guilty! Do you hear me?

They're guilty!

You're all insane!

They're guilty!

- They're guilty!

- Oh, my God!

I will not acquit!

I will never acquit!

They're guilty! They're guilty!

I'm not guilty. I'm not guilty.

Oh, my God. Oh, my dear God.

Yes.

What the hell is going on here?

Hell is what's going on here.

I aborted Steven

before he was born.

And I was the doctor

who performed the abortion.

And yesterday,

you died of a heart attack.

You were killed in a car crash.

Today is judgment day.

You recognized your wrongs,

and repented

in that last moment.

You did not.

And for that,

you will never meet Steven.

And you will not be at my side.

Nor the side of my own child.

Welcome to your eternity

of solitude.