The World's Most Dangerous Show with Joko Winterscheidt (2023–…): Season 1, Episode 1 - Premiere - full transcript
In a world...
full of beauty
and abysses.
Full of dark secrets...
He was looking for the ultimate challenge
and found his limit.
Then I was thinking,
"I have to stop. I can't go on like this."
But the path to this point,
the despair, the hope, the fear,
became an adventure that was too great
to show on commercial TV.
Fuck!
Help me!
Since this time, it's about more than
becoming the world champion.
Amazon Prime Video presents:
Joko Winterscheidt
facing the biggest challenge of his life.
You probably think my new show
will be like this, right?
Amazon probably thought this too
when they called and said,
"Listen, we trust you and your team.
Do what you've always wanted to do,
"and make it awesome."
Wow, I can do whatever I want.
Higher, faster, further.
More nonsense, more explosions,
more stupidity...
Whatever I want.
What do I want?
What I want...
I have been in the entertainment industry
for nearly 20 years.
I push boundaries.
My own, those of good taste, and more.
I had my mouth sewn shut.
Welcome!
Still, I find myself wondering...
Maybe I never went far enough.
I had always viewed the playground
that I operated within,
and where everything took place,
as indestructible.
But that's not the reality.
ARENZANO, ITALY
This is the reality.
TAREE, AUSTRALIA
We see the effects
of the climate crisis everywhere.
And they're not just coming soon.
They're already here,
and we're feeling them.
The toll in Germany has risen to
at least 150...
We are no longer able to stop
climate change.
I feel overwhelmed when I look at
all these images.
I feel helpless and powerless.
Not everyone feels this way.
Jesus. God help us!
I feel choked up and afraid
whenever I think about...
Take cover!
...what this predicted future might bring.
HIMALAYA, INDIA
NUUGAATSIAQ, GREENLAND
What do I want?
I'm facing the hardest thing
I have ever faced,
and that's the helplessness I feel.
HERNANI, PHILIPPINES
ELLETSVILLE, USA
I try not to let it overwhelm me.
I want to search for solutions,
if there are any.
TACLOBAN, PHILIPPINES
Do we even have a future?
What we are looking for
in this documentary is hope.
We're looking for ideas.
They can be obvious, weird, or unexpected.
Maybe we'll also show the uncomfortable.
I think there is a lot to find.
Is it possible to report about a shitty
topic like the climate crisis differently?
Will technology save us?
"Sustainability doesn't mean
going without"'
CAN TECHNOLOGY SOLVE THE CLIMATE CRISIS?
JOSHUA TREE, CALIFORNIA
I want to find ideas
that will bring people hope.
While searching, you quickly
come across technical solutions.
One day, we can build lots of spaceships.
Many people claim that we don't need to
change radically,
since we might be able to stop the crisis
with the right innovations.
So can we simply sit back and relax?
Many of these possible innovations
are on the verge of a breakthrough.
Like this car by Aptera.
It's a car prototype that's almost fully
powered by solar energy
and produces a lot less emissions.
-Hey, Chris!
-Be careful!
-Hello, how are you?
-Man, what a thing!
It looks like it's from the future.
The future is now.
What can it do? Does it have rockets?
A self-destruct button?
Aptera is focused
on transportation efficiency.
The cabin that you're in is surrounded
by a super aerodynamic shell,
which makes it the most energy-efficient
vehicle platform ever.
And you can charge it with the sun.
I am driving the future.
Ideas similar to this solar car
probably exist in many other fields.
Is there a future technology
that might solve this problem for us?
What will it look like?
I can tell you that, Joko.
Completely clean and totally sustainable.
Welcome to the future.
A place of unlimited solutions.
On Earth, transport will soon have nothing
to do with the noisy, unhealthy,
and uncomfortable vehicles
that pollute your present.
You will be propelled through the air
by magnets at 1,200 km/h.
Fully electric and autonomous vehicles
will transport your goods
with maximum efficiency
while being kind to the climate.
You will be able to glide silently
over water,
either on water e-bikes
or in huge ships
that will be generators themselves.
The planes you fly in
will be fully electric
or use green hydrogen
produced completely from renewable energy
thanks to ultra-modern
and efficient electrolysis processes.
Clean and elegant.
But transportation and mobility
are only part of your CO2 problem.
The construction sector accounts for 38%
of all energy-related emissions.
Metals, plastics, and cement alone
are responsible for 8% of all emissions,
which is as high as all of the cars
on Earth combined.
But soon, your cement will be able to
capture CO2 during production,
as well as heal and repair itself.
You also won't even need new cement
thanks to enzymes in your blood.
Cities will to become part of the solution
because of people's love
for their cozy confines.
Cities and people
have a symbiotic relationship.
Floor panels will convert the energy
from human steps into electricity.
And the sound of the wind in the windmills
on your roof will lull you to sleep.
Thanks to vertical farming,
fruit will fall into your mouth
directly from the skyline,
and be free from pesticides.
And milk will come
from supercows made of steel.
Right now, you pollute the atmosphere
just by living your life,
but soon, renewable energy
will be produced everywhere.
The moon creates the tides, and the tides
will provide your electricity.
Predictable. Shining. Every night.
Nuclear power will be cooled down
with liquid sodium,
and nuclear fusion will give you
almost unlimited energy if it succeeds.
With it, you will be able to
operate a space fleet
that mines rare metals on asteroids
and brings them to Earth.
I admit that this future sounds tempting.
In fact, it sounds so good
that you almost wonder,
"Why is this still a topic of discussion?
"Everything seems to be solved already."
-Shit, something...
-It's broken!
No, is it really?
I have the steering wheel in my hands.
I'm apparently also too stupid
to ride the water bike properly.
There must be a catch.
Otherwise, climate experts
wouldn't have a sense of impending doom.
This can't be.
Are all these great technologies
really feasible?
And if so, are they truly solutions
to the climate crisis?
I think I need to talk to someone
who knows a more than I do
about these innovations.
Hello.
And who is investing a lot of money
in many of them.
Bye.
Bill Gates said yes.
Yes!
The two richest men on Earth will meet.
Bill Gates.
The controversial multi-billionaire
has been working intensively
on the climate crisis
and on technologies that should help.
He is also able to fund research
like no one else can.
He seems to believe in his mission.
I don't want to be pushy,
but maybe he can reveal why,
despite all the ideas,
we still don't live in a green future.
Thanks for coming.
Thanks for coming? Thanks for the invite!
Are you as excited to meet me as I am?
You bet!
We don't have much time,
not only together today,
but also in regards to climate change.
I'd love to jump right in, is that okay?
Sure.
We could start with agriculture
and food, or meat.
Or we could start with fossil fuels.
We have to change, but what?
The green approaches today
are far more expensive
than the current dirty approaches are.
Only through innovation
can we make the green products,
the green electric car, meat substitute,
steel, cement...
And only through innovation
can we lower their cost.
I am seeing some amazing ideas.
In 2015, there was very little going on.
Now, there is more money available
for that research.
Do you think that innovation
will solve that problem?
Not innovation alone,
but I would be very pessimistic
if we didn't have it.
The beauty of innovation
is that it can lower that extra cost.
I call it the green premium.
What Bill Gates refers to as
the green premium
is the additional cost
of choosing a clean technology
over one that is usually cheaper
but emits more greenhouse gases.
The aim is to get the green premium
as low as possible
so that green technologies
make economic sense.
This was successful for solar energy.
Between 2009 and 2019,
the price of solar power fell by 89%.
In 2009, new solar power was still
over three times more expensive than coal.
10 years later, it's not only competitive,
but it's almost three times as cheap.
We've seen with solar and wind,
although they're intermittent,
that their costs have gone down.
We're at the start of that
for electric cars.
But for many areas,
we're still at the very beginning.
Obviously, you must have a vision in mind.
Where do you see the world
within the next three decades?
No one is an expert on the future.
By funding these innovations, I can tell
that we will surprise almost everyone
with how this comes together.
I hope so.
Between all these new companies,
which are the most promising to you?
There's a lot of ways in which
people are trying to do energy storage.
The ingenuity is incredible.
There's many new battery approaches
for either cars or the grid.
Dozens are trying out different chemistry.
I've had four battery companies
I put money into go bankrupt.
If you need money,
I'll give you all I have.
Alright.
But the key is to invest in the new.
Any suggestions on
what we should look into?
People who work with steel
or direct air capture.
Direct air capture.
What is that again?
In any case, Bill Gates seems
to have high hopes for this technology.
-Thanks for your time.
-You bet. It was fun.
He gave me a name to look into.
Climeworks.
Let's visit Climeworks
since he said we should.
We're going to Climeworks.
The technology is supposed to be
a game changer.
A device that simply sucks the harmful CO2
out of the atmosphere.
The largest of these installations
is in a fairly remote location.
Hello?
Yes. Got it.
Good.
Okay. Bye.
That was my conscience.
And my conscience had a go at me.
"Joko, what do you think you're doing?"
Did you and your entire team
really just fly halfway around the world
for an interview about climate protection?
"Wouldn't a phone call to Bill Gates
have been enough?"
Yes, I know.
That had occurred to me.
And I may be totally wrong about this,
but why not reach people my way?
Am I supposed to just call people
for six episodes?
That's not the only contradiction
I will face during this documentary.
Many more questions will come up.
Is it ok for me to make this documentary?
I'm no saint myself. I fly...
You're like the new superhero
of sustainability.
The Green Leek.
What about the company behind this?
A climate documentary on Amazon.
Will I end up achieving the opposite
of my goal?
Are we actually doing greenwashing?
I hate this show.
Am I part of the problem,
and not the solution?
For goodness sake.
Or is it more important
to use this platform
to shed light on
the most important issue of our time?
I think that because of your platform,
you have people who will listen
and change could happen.
I want change.
I have never lived in a way
that makes me a role model.
As I tackle a project like this,
questions and contradictions will come up.
The opportunity to give this issue
the largest possible platform is worth it.
Maybe we can at least use this platform
to do just that.
My conscience will surely bother me again
on this journey.
Back to the stories.
The main cause of climate catastrophe
is the vast amounts of CO2
that pollute the atmosphere.
Now imagine there was a machine
that could suck up that CO2 again.
Just like that. Gone.
Problem solved?
Could we just carry on like before?
That's what I want to find out,
because this CO2 extractor does exist.
And it's right here.
-Hello!
-Hey!
Climeworks has built the first machine
in Iceland.
The Orca Plant extracts the harmful CO2
from the atmosphere.
German MD, Dirk Nuber
will explain how it works.
-I wanted to wear that.
-Nice clothes.
Very good. Fits perfectly.
-That's your baby.
-That's the precious machine.
How does it all work? I can see huge fans.
-Do they suck something in?
-Exactly. They suck in the air.
Direct air capture means
capturing the air,
and separating the CO2 from it.
The fans suck in the air
through these filters.
Yes.
And the CO2 remains attached
to the surface.
You get the CO2 out of the air first,
then what do you do with it?
-It has to stay trapped.
-What then?
You just inject it into the ground.
That is done by our partners at Carbfix.
-Howdy!
-Hi, Joko!
-Welcome to Carbfix.
-Thank you.
Right next to Climeworks is Carbfix.
They inject all the extracted CO2
deep into the Icelandic soil.
Geoscientist Martin Voigt
explains how this works
and why it is better off stored there
than in the atmosphere.
You put the CO2 into the ground.
-Exactly.
-How?
It's a geological process,
which is a natural process.
The same exact thing occurs naturally
over millions of years.
Our specialty is accelerating the process.
We do it over a period of months or years.
Does it work everywhere?
It does not.
You need the right geology.
The right type of rock.
Basalt, for example, is the best suited.
Iceland is made up almost exclusively
of basalt.
But Iceland isn't the only area.
The entire ocean floor is basalt,
and there are many basalt areas
on all continents.
That means we can go
to those different areas.
We also need water.
We dissolve the CO2 in water
before pumping it down
so that it doesn't come back up as gas.
That means we need a lot of water.
This looks like a scene
from a science fiction movie.
-Yes.
-It's nice and warm in here.
Don't open it. That would be bad.
Here, we have this borehole
-that contains the water with CO2.
-That's ice cold.
It enters this borehole
at a speed of about 40 liters per second.
It is essentially like a SodaStream.
-It's pressed into the rock.
-Exactly.
-Across a giant area.
-Exactly.
The normal rock here is pretty porous.
There's enough space to store CO2
in solid form.
You can see the pores are filled
with a white substance.
Some of it is calcite, which is CO2
in fossilized form.
Okay. And does that do the trick?
Is that the solution?
Can we relax while they deal
with the CO2 here?
-How much is processed per year?
-4,000 tons.
4,000 TONS OF CO2 are emitted globally
in less than 4 seconds.
That means, let me say this politely,
that it's "homeopathic."
It is. Absolutely.
It's a drop in the ocean.
People should not think,
"Now we can carry on
driving around like before."
We can't capture it all.
We capture the gas
that cannot be captured otherwise.
We can deal with the CO2
that gets into the air in other ways
and simply cannot be avoided.
The rest?
-Okay.
-That has to be done by others.
That's not for us to deal with.
My hope coming here was for you to say,
"We're on it."
That's our goal.
Everything you see here
isn't rocket science.
It already exists elsewhere
in one way or another.
The crux of the matter is that
this is a modular form of construction
with which we can go into mass production
at some point.
But others have to contribute as well.
We can't pretend that we can go on
producing oil because it's practical.
It isn't feasible.
Every one of us has to start thinking.
And it has to be clear
that business as usual simply can't go on.
-Or living as usual.
-Yes.
That no longer exists.
If we had thought about the future
of our climate 20 years ago,
had already started using
renewable energy,
and shutting down oil production,
then we wouldn't need this today.
So if we had started earlier,
-that would've been the best solution.
-Yes.
That's not how humans think.
Unfortunately.
That didn't work out the way I had hoped.
It would have been great if they had
presented us with an easy solution.
It all seems to be much more
complicated than that.
However, there's supposed to be a plant
that does it even better.
It's located not too far from home,
near the Baltic Sea.
We need a transition.
To the Baltic Sea.
-Let's do a cool transition.
-You could snap your fingers?
Or we could film my feet.
And then we cut them in the Baltic Sea.
It's better if we see all of you.
The most elaborate transition
in the history of documentaries. Ready?
To the Baltic Sea.
Just edit it together nicely.
That worked out great.
Peene Valley Bog, Baltic Sea
It's not funny.
Why am I in a swamp?
Whip pan.
It's actually really simple, Joko.
You see a swamp here.
I see a sophisticated
CO2 filtering machine.
One of the world's best.
Most people know that trees
can capture CO2 from the air
and kindly reduce its presence
in the atmosphere.
What most people don't know
is that swamps can do the same and better.
Swamps cover 3%
of the worldwide land area.
Their soils, however, store more CO2
than all biomass of all forests.
Plants grow in the moorland,
like this reed.
They capture the CO2 from the atmosphere
and store it.
If their roots die, the CO2 is stored
through the wet ground into the peat.
It's the same as
the carbon capture project in Iceland.
The CO2 gets sucked in by the plant,
and then it's stored into the ground.
The problem is that most swamps
are no longer wet.
We drain them because we want to
use the land for agriculture.
The beneficial swamp water is pumped out
through drainage ditches,
and the dry swamp
can no longer store the carbon.
It slowly escapes into the atmosphere
as CO2.
We destroy this free CO2 reservoir
that nature has given us.
This leads to greenhouse gas emissions
higher than all German air traffic.
The good thing is that
when rewet dry swamps, which you can do,
they immediately stop releasing CO2.
And if the right plants grow back,
they even absorb CO2 again.
We can also use these wet swamps
for agriculture or forestry.
Now you know why we are in a swamp.
If I understand correctly,
we need technological solutions
because we have mistreated nature.
Nature could handle it.
Exactly.
Everything was balanced for 10,000 years,
but then we started releasing more CO2.
As nature started trying to buffer that,
we started to destroy it on a large scale.
Then more CO2 was released,
but less could be absorbed.
Maja Göpel is a climate protection expert,
political economist, and author.
Her work focuses
on major social transformations,
and she wanted me to hear Franziska
talk about the swamps.
And that was exactly the eye-opener
I needed.
I had no idea about swamps
before I came here.
It wasn't on my radar at all.
It's crazy what they can do.
And it makes me wonder.
Why do we approach things
from a technical perspective and are told,
"We have a solution,
and it's this machine here."
We have a strange alienation
in our culture.
Everything we focus on in everyday life
is fast, organized and machine-driven.
Also, you make a crazy amount of money
by developing technology and selling it.
If you say, "Something works great here,
let's just leave it", nobody earns money.
Do you also have the feeling
that all of the technical innovations
that exist are masking the problem
in communication?
You are made to believe
that it's all working.
I think we need both approaches.
-I think that would be good for us.
-Yes.
But also to be honest, if you ask
"What will have the greatest effect?"
We need to stop the process
that we now have to fix
and stop breaking it at all.
A different approach from the start.
My visit to the swamp made me realize
that whenever I thought about the future,
I thought about technology.
Why do we have such a cold
science-fiction vision of tomorrow?
Is what exists too boring?
Is nature not futuristic enough?
It's about more than
which technical solutions we invest in.
By funding these innovations, I can tell
that we will surprise almost everyone
with how this comes together.
Do I have to change my vision
of the future?
Should I stop seeing technology
and nature as opponents?
But instead as two puzzle pieces
of the same solution?
It's actually obvious.
Isn't a symbiosis of the two
simply smarter?
And easier to live with?
We would be happy...
I love being here in nature.
When I look around me now,
it's much more relaxing than when I'm...
You don't say,
"I want to relax, so I'm going
to Alexanderplatz in Berlin."
You don't hear anyone say that.
"On the weekend, I spent two days
at Alexanderplatz.
"God, it did me good."
To me, the most important thing
is to think about spaces.
I can address several needs together
in one square meter.
Then, it becomes a living space.
And that's what we should do in cities.
Is there a city that's a great example
of things going right?
Many have started doing this.
Copenhagen is an example.
They are doing great.
Copenhagen.
Historic port and trading city.
Home of inventors and innovators,
and for years an outstanding example
of how growth and innovation
can work in harmony with nature.
The city has grown by a fifth
in the past decade alone,
and yet it has managed
to almost halve its harmful emissions.
How did they do it?
Get on your bikes and go.
To become carbon neutral as
quickly as possible,
Copenhagen has naturally had to switch
to renewable energy.
This change can hardly be missed
when visiting the city's numerous beaches.
There are plenty of stiff winds here.
Next stop: Islands Brygge.
A generation ago, oil and sewage floated
in Copenhagen's harbor water.
And today?
Young and old alike cut a good
to very good figure here
thanks to modern purification plants.
Not just the best choice for audio tours,
but indispensable for the green cities
of the future: the bicycle.
Or in Danish: Cykel.
Over the last ten years, 200 million euros
were invested in their bicycle lanes.
The result?
385 km of cycle paths
run through the city,
and today there are five times
as many bicycles as cars.
And for longer distances,
or for those who can't ride a bike,
2 new metro lines opened
in the last three years.
Almost every inhabitant
can reach a station in ten minutes
and so is integrated
into the city's transport system.
Goods and building materials
also circulate through the city.
In the Resource Rows, Denmark's first
housing area made of recycled materials,
the walls of abandoned houses were
broken down to bricks and reassembled.
The housing project shows
how the circular economy can work
in a tangible way.
But, no matter
how well we take care of nature now,
we are already living
with extreme weather conditions.
To prevent flooding, rain is collected
in an underground reservoir.
And the rest of the year,
there is space for leisure.
The inhabitants,
despite their sustainable habits,
never seem to be missing anything.
On the contrary.
And this is why Copenhagen
is such a great example.
I totally get it.
And why we can't solve the climate crisis
without looking at cities,
how people live in them,
and how we operate them.
Today, around 50% of people
live in cities.
In a couple of decades,
it is going to be 70%.
And by the end of the century,
85% of people will live in cities.
Therefore, cities don't only affect
how we function as people or as a specie,
but they also have to support
the way we live.
What are the easiest things
that are done here
that could be taken up by other cities?
In Denmark, there's a big effort
on public health.
We try to improve things,
not because we want to reduce emissions,
but because we want to improve
the quality of life.
The bike lanes are not just there
to check the box for climate action.
The biking is for all to enjoy
and have access to.
It makes everyone feel a bit more equal
in the city.
One visionary in terms of quality of life
is Bjarke Ingels.
It's impossible to imagine Copenhagen
without his projects.
In addition to the Harbor Bath,
he is behind the Urban Rigger,
which are recycled shipping containers
on the water
that are converted into affordable
and solar-powered apartments for students.
The city's new hot icon is CopenHill,
a waste incineration plant that produces
clean heating for 10,000 households.
There, you can also climb, hike, and ski.
Instead of giving me a hand,
they turned the camera on in case I slip.
Hey, what...
Bjarke?
The man that the Wall Street Journal
once named "Innovator of the year"
has also made himself comfortable
on the water.
-Welcome to Copenhagen.
-Thanks.
Do you really live on a houseboat?
Or is that just for marketing?
Oh no.
It's the best way to live.
Let's get on board.
-Thanks.
-After you.
Should I take the shoes off?
The reason why we wanted to meet you
in the first place
is that you are a real visionary
in regards to
how cities and their architecture
can make an impact on the climate crisis.
Why did you choose to work on that?
Architecture is the art and science
of making sure that
the framework we have created for society
suits how we live our lives.
Life is always evolving.
As it evolves,
so must the way we accommodate it
with our cities and buildings.
Think about cars.
Cars didn't become a problem
because they're bad.
They became a problem
because they're incredibly good.
They provide freedom, solve problems
and give us opportunities.
Then we start using them for everything.
Which leads to traffic congestion,
accidents, and overcrowded cities.
You get an of avalanche of side effects
of cars
that in themselves are not terrible.
But they become a problem
because you use the car for everything.
It's similar with climate change.
We must find new ways
to deliver the same quality of life,
but do it so it doesn't happen
at the expense of the environment.
What do you think is the best way
to get people to have a desire
for the future?
I think one way to do that
is to put forward
incredibly desirable examples.
When we think about the future,
we often think about
either a dystopian society in collapse
like Blade Runner,
or we think about living in a hygienic,
sterile and all-white space shuttle.
I don't think either will be the future.
I think the future is...
We have the power to create the future
that we want.
In 2001, we launched our first project,
the Copenhagen Harbor Bath.
The port of Copenhagen had become so clean
you could swim in it.
On opening day, you saw the entire city
running into the water.
It was amazing.
A clean port isn't only nice for the fish.
A sustainable city is not only better
for the environment.
It's also more enjoyable for
people living in it.
And we thought
maybe this is a general idea.
We called it hedonistic sustainability.
If you don't think about sustainability
as a sacrifice or as a downgrade,
but instead as an upgrade
of your lifestyle,
then it becomes a more desirable choice
and people will choose it.
And is that something you easily found
when trying to design it,
or was it a big challenge to get there?
Of course, it's easier to do
what you always do.
But on the other hand, as an architect,
you're always looking for opportunities
to explore something new and different.
CopenHill is a perfect example
of sustainable technology.
The steam that you see coming out of it
is cleaner than the air of Copenhagen.
Really?
-It is...
-Weird.
-It's like clouds.
-Really?
That means that you don't have
to be far away from it.
Normally, you would put the waste
incineration plant
-as far away as possible.
-Far away.
You can climb the facade
if you are a good climber.
In your case...
-No.
-I would take it easy
You can also hike.
Maybe if I have a very good day.
On a very good day.
You can ski and hike on the roof.
And that, I think, makes it
blatantly obvious.
If you know what a typical plant
looks like
and you could have this instead,
why wouldn't you?
Still, this is kind of unique.
The reason why projects like this
are important
is because you move the status quo
a little bit higher.
It's like opening a door
that others can then walk through.
One of the things I love
is that we opened it in 2019.
My son is three years old.
He doesn't know that there was a time
when you couldn't climb the power plant
and you couldn't ski down the roof.
That's the world his generation grew up in
because we created it for them.
That means that it's their baseline.
When they think about something innovative
or crazy for the future,
that's where they begin.
I think true innovation and
paradigm change happens
when you realize
we can't continue like this.
We have to go somewhere else.
That's when you really unleash
incredible inventions.
I think that's happening now.
My idea of what the word future
actually means
has been shaken up quite a bit
during this journey.
If we stop dedicating half
of our human innovation and playfulness
to bringing about some
sad Hollywood dystopia,
we can instead create places
and opportunities
that aren't only good for the environment
but also for us.
Today, we are the pioneers
for what happens next.
Like Bjarke says,
"hedonistic sustainability".
Sustainable and worth living.
Nature and technology together.
You could simply end the documentary
with that.
I would be very satisfied.
Nature and technology working in harmony
makes perfect sense to me.
If others follow the example
of the city of Copenhagen,
then we will have achieved a lot.
My conscience.
What do you want now?
Not even the beginning?
Yes, okay, maybe I underestimated it.
It's pretty complex.
Yes. Probably more complex... Yes.
The journey is just beginning.
IN THE NEXT EPISODE...
-Oh my God.
-Is it...
Fuck.
full of beauty
and abysses.
Full of dark secrets...
He was looking for the ultimate challenge
and found his limit.
Then I was thinking,
"I have to stop. I can't go on like this."
But the path to this point,
the despair, the hope, the fear,
became an adventure that was too great
to show on commercial TV.
Fuck!
Help me!
Since this time, it's about more than
becoming the world champion.
Amazon Prime Video presents:
Joko Winterscheidt
facing the biggest challenge of his life.
You probably think my new show
will be like this, right?
Amazon probably thought this too
when they called and said,
"Listen, we trust you and your team.
Do what you've always wanted to do,
"and make it awesome."
Wow, I can do whatever I want.
Higher, faster, further.
More nonsense, more explosions,
more stupidity...
Whatever I want.
What do I want?
What I want...
I have been in the entertainment industry
for nearly 20 years.
I push boundaries.
My own, those of good taste, and more.
I had my mouth sewn shut.
Welcome!
Still, I find myself wondering...
Maybe I never went far enough.
I had always viewed the playground
that I operated within,
and where everything took place,
as indestructible.
But that's not the reality.
ARENZANO, ITALY
This is the reality.
TAREE, AUSTRALIA
We see the effects
of the climate crisis everywhere.
And they're not just coming soon.
They're already here,
and we're feeling them.
The toll in Germany has risen to
at least 150...
We are no longer able to stop
climate change.
I feel overwhelmed when I look at
all these images.
I feel helpless and powerless.
Not everyone feels this way.
Jesus. God help us!
I feel choked up and afraid
whenever I think about...
Take cover!
...what this predicted future might bring.
HIMALAYA, INDIA
NUUGAATSIAQ, GREENLAND
What do I want?
I'm facing the hardest thing
I have ever faced,
and that's the helplessness I feel.
HERNANI, PHILIPPINES
ELLETSVILLE, USA
I try not to let it overwhelm me.
I want to search for solutions,
if there are any.
TACLOBAN, PHILIPPINES
Do we even have a future?
What we are looking for
in this documentary is hope.
We're looking for ideas.
They can be obvious, weird, or unexpected.
Maybe we'll also show the uncomfortable.
I think there is a lot to find.
Is it possible to report about a shitty
topic like the climate crisis differently?
Will technology save us?
"Sustainability doesn't mean
going without"'
CAN TECHNOLOGY SOLVE THE CLIMATE CRISIS?
JOSHUA TREE, CALIFORNIA
I want to find ideas
that will bring people hope.
While searching, you quickly
come across technical solutions.
One day, we can build lots of spaceships.
Many people claim that we don't need to
change radically,
since we might be able to stop the crisis
with the right innovations.
So can we simply sit back and relax?
Many of these possible innovations
are on the verge of a breakthrough.
Like this car by Aptera.
It's a car prototype that's almost fully
powered by solar energy
and produces a lot less emissions.
-Hey, Chris!
-Be careful!
-Hello, how are you?
-Man, what a thing!
It looks like it's from the future.
The future is now.
What can it do? Does it have rockets?
A self-destruct button?
Aptera is focused
on transportation efficiency.
The cabin that you're in is surrounded
by a super aerodynamic shell,
which makes it the most energy-efficient
vehicle platform ever.
And you can charge it with the sun.
I am driving the future.
Ideas similar to this solar car
probably exist in many other fields.
Is there a future technology
that might solve this problem for us?
What will it look like?
I can tell you that, Joko.
Completely clean and totally sustainable.
Welcome to the future.
A place of unlimited solutions.
On Earth, transport will soon have nothing
to do with the noisy, unhealthy,
and uncomfortable vehicles
that pollute your present.
You will be propelled through the air
by magnets at 1,200 km/h.
Fully electric and autonomous vehicles
will transport your goods
with maximum efficiency
while being kind to the climate.
You will be able to glide silently
over water,
either on water e-bikes
or in huge ships
that will be generators themselves.
The planes you fly in
will be fully electric
or use green hydrogen
produced completely from renewable energy
thanks to ultra-modern
and efficient electrolysis processes.
Clean and elegant.
But transportation and mobility
are only part of your CO2 problem.
The construction sector accounts for 38%
of all energy-related emissions.
Metals, plastics, and cement alone
are responsible for 8% of all emissions,
which is as high as all of the cars
on Earth combined.
But soon, your cement will be able to
capture CO2 during production,
as well as heal and repair itself.
You also won't even need new cement
thanks to enzymes in your blood.
Cities will to become part of the solution
because of people's love
for their cozy confines.
Cities and people
have a symbiotic relationship.
Floor panels will convert the energy
from human steps into electricity.
And the sound of the wind in the windmills
on your roof will lull you to sleep.
Thanks to vertical farming,
fruit will fall into your mouth
directly from the skyline,
and be free from pesticides.
And milk will come
from supercows made of steel.
Right now, you pollute the atmosphere
just by living your life,
but soon, renewable energy
will be produced everywhere.
The moon creates the tides, and the tides
will provide your electricity.
Predictable. Shining. Every night.
Nuclear power will be cooled down
with liquid sodium,
and nuclear fusion will give you
almost unlimited energy if it succeeds.
With it, you will be able to
operate a space fleet
that mines rare metals on asteroids
and brings them to Earth.
I admit that this future sounds tempting.
In fact, it sounds so good
that you almost wonder,
"Why is this still a topic of discussion?
"Everything seems to be solved already."
-Shit, something...
-It's broken!
No, is it really?
I have the steering wheel in my hands.
I'm apparently also too stupid
to ride the water bike properly.
There must be a catch.
Otherwise, climate experts
wouldn't have a sense of impending doom.
This can't be.
Are all these great technologies
really feasible?
And if so, are they truly solutions
to the climate crisis?
I think I need to talk to someone
who knows a more than I do
about these innovations.
Hello.
And who is investing a lot of money
in many of them.
Bye.
Bill Gates said yes.
Yes!
The two richest men on Earth will meet.
Bill Gates.
The controversial multi-billionaire
has been working intensively
on the climate crisis
and on technologies that should help.
He is also able to fund research
like no one else can.
He seems to believe in his mission.
I don't want to be pushy,
but maybe he can reveal why,
despite all the ideas,
we still don't live in a green future.
Thanks for coming.
Thanks for coming? Thanks for the invite!
Are you as excited to meet me as I am?
You bet!
We don't have much time,
not only together today,
but also in regards to climate change.
I'd love to jump right in, is that okay?
Sure.
We could start with agriculture
and food, or meat.
Or we could start with fossil fuels.
We have to change, but what?
The green approaches today
are far more expensive
than the current dirty approaches are.
Only through innovation
can we make the green products,
the green electric car, meat substitute,
steel, cement...
And only through innovation
can we lower their cost.
I am seeing some amazing ideas.
In 2015, there was very little going on.
Now, there is more money available
for that research.
Do you think that innovation
will solve that problem?
Not innovation alone,
but I would be very pessimistic
if we didn't have it.
The beauty of innovation
is that it can lower that extra cost.
I call it the green premium.
What Bill Gates refers to as
the green premium
is the additional cost
of choosing a clean technology
over one that is usually cheaper
but emits more greenhouse gases.
The aim is to get the green premium
as low as possible
so that green technologies
make economic sense.
This was successful for solar energy.
Between 2009 and 2019,
the price of solar power fell by 89%.
In 2009, new solar power was still
over three times more expensive than coal.
10 years later, it's not only competitive,
but it's almost three times as cheap.
We've seen with solar and wind,
although they're intermittent,
that their costs have gone down.
We're at the start of that
for electric cars.
But for many areas,
we're still at the very beginning.
Obviously, you must have a vision in mind.
Where do you see the world
within the next three decades?
No one is an expert on the future.
By funding these innovations, I can tell
that we will surprise almost everyone
with how this comes together.
I hope so.
Between all these new companies,
which are the most promising to you?
There's a lot of ways in which
people are trying to do energy storage.
The ingenuity is incredible.
There's many new battery approaches
for either cars or the grid.
Dozens are trying out different chemistry.
I've had four battery companies
I put money into go bankrupt.
If you need money,
I'll give you all I have.
Alright.
But the key is to invest in the new.
Any suggestions on
what we should look into?
People who work with steel
or direct air capture.
Direct air capture.
What is that again?
In any case, Bill Gates seems
to have high hopes for this technology.
-Thanks for your time.
-You bet. It was fun.
He gave me a name to look into.
Climeworks.
Let's visit Climeworks
since he said we should.
We're going to Climeworks.
The technology is supposed to be
a game changer.
A device that simply sucks the harmful CO2
out of the atmosphere.
The largest of these installations
is in a fairly remote location.
Hello?
Yes. Got it.
Good.
Okay. Bye.
That was my conscience.
And my conscience had a go at me.
"Joko, what do you think you're doing?"
Did you and your entire team
really just fly halfway around the world
for an interview about climate protection?
"Wouldn't a phone call to Bill Gates
have been enough?"
Yes, I know.
That had occurred to me.
And I may be totally wrong about this,
but why not reach people my way?
Am I supposed to just call people
for six episodes?
That's not the only contradiction
I will face during this documentary.
Many more questions will come up.
Is it ok for me to make this documentary?
I'm no saint myself. I fly...
You're like the new superhero
of sustainability.
The Green Leek.
What about the company behind this?
A climate documentary on Amazon.
Will I end up achieving the opposite
of my goal?
Are we actually doing greenwashing?
I hate this show.
Am I part of the problem,
and not the solution?
For goodness sake.
Or is it more important
to use this platform
to shed light on
the most important issue of our time?
I think that because of your platform,
you have people who will listen
and change could happen.
I want change.
I have never lived in a way
that makes me a role model.
As I tackle a project like this,
questions and contradictions will come up.
The opportunity to give this issue
the largest possible platform is worth it.
Maybe we can at least use this platform
to do just that.
My conscience will surely bother me again
on this journey.
Back to the stories.
The main cause of climate catastrophe
is the vast amounts of CO2
that pollute the atmosphere.
Now imagine there was a machine
that could suck up that CO2 again.
Just like that. Gone.
Problem solved?
Could we just carry on like before?
That's what I want to find out,
because this CO2 extractor does exist.
And it's right here.
-Hello!
-Hey!
Climeworks has built the first machine
in Iceland.
The Orca Plant extracts the harmful CO2
from the atmosphere.
German MD, Dirk Nuber
will explain how it works.
-I wanted to wear that.
-Nice clothes.
Very good. Fits perfectly.
-That's your baby.
-That's the precious machine.
How does it all work? I can see huge fans.
-Do they suck something in?
-Exactly. They suck in the air.
Direct air capture means
capturing the air,
and separating the CO2 from it.
The fans suck in the air
through these filters.
Yes.
And the CO2 remains attached
to the surface.
You get the CO2 out of the air first,
then what do you do with it?
-It has to stay trapped.
-What then?
You just inject it into the ground.
That is done by our partners at Carbfix.
-Howdy!
-Hi, Joko!
-Welcome to Carbfix.
-Thank you.
Right next to Climeworks is Carbfix.
They inject all the extracted CO2
deep into the Icelandic soil.
Geoscientist Martin Voigt
explains how this works
and why it is better off stored there
than in the atmosphere.
You put the CO2 into the ground.
-Exactly.
-How?
It's a geological process,
which is a natural process.
The same exact thing occurs naturally
over millions of years.
Our specialty is accelerating the process.
We do it over a period of months or years.
Does it work everywhere?
It does not.
You need the right geology.
The right type of rock.
Basalt, for example, is the best suited.
Iceland is made up almost exclusively
of basalt.
But Iceland isn't the only area.
The entire ocean floor is basalt,
and there are many basalt areas
on all continents.
That means we can go
to those different areas.
We also need water.
We dissolve the CO2 in water
before pumping it down
so that it doesn't come back up as gas.
That means we need a lot of water.
This looks like a scene
from a science fiction movie.
-Yes.
-It's nice and warm in here.
Don't open it. That would be bad.
Here, we have this borehole
-that contains the water with CO2.
-That's ice cold.
It enters this borehole
at a speed of about 40 liters per second.
It is essentially like a SodaStream.
-It's pressed into the rock.
-Exactly.
-Across a giant area.
-Exactly.
The normal rock here is pretty porous.
There's enough space to store CO2
in solid form.
You can see the pores are filled
with a white substance.
Some of it is calcite, which is CO2
in fossilized form.
Okay. And does that do the trick?
Is that the solution?
Can we relax while they deal
with the CO2 here?
-How much is processed per year?
-4,000 tons.
4,000 TONS OF CO2 are emitted globally
in less than 4 seconds.
That means, let me say this politely,
that it's "homeopathic."
It is. Absolutely.
It's a drop in the ocean.
People should not think,
"Now we can carry on
driving around like before."
We can't capture it all.
We capture the gas
that cannot be captured otherwise.
We can deal with the CO2
that gets into the air in other ways
and simply cannot be avoided.
The rest?
-Okay.
-That has to be done by others.
That's not for us to deal with.
My hope coming here was for you to say,
"We're on it."
That's our goal.
Everything you see here
isn't rocket science.
It already exists elsewhere
in one way or another.
The crux of the matter is that
this is a modular form of construction
with which we can go into mass production
at some point.
But others have to contribute as well.
We can't pretend that we can go on
producing oil because it's practical.
It isn't feasible.
Every one of us has to start thinking.
And it has to be clear
that business as usual simply can't go on.
-Or living as usual.
-Yes.
That no longer exists.
If we had thought about the future
of our climate 20 years ago,
had already started using
renewable energy,
and shutting down oil production,
then we wouldn't need this today.
So if we had started earlier,
-that would've been the best solution.
-Yes.
That's not how humans think.
Unfortunately.
That didn't work out the way I had hoped.
It would have been great if they had
presented us with an easy solution.
It all seems to be much more
complicated than that.
However, there's supposed to be a plant
that does it even better.
It's located not too far from home,
near the Baltic Sea.
We need a transition.
To the Baltic Sea.
-Let's do a cool transition.
-You could snap your fingers?
Or we could film my feet.
And then we cut them in the Baltic Sea.
It's better if we see all of you.
The most elaborate transition
in the history of documentaries. Ready?
To the Baltic Sea.
Just edit it together nicely.
That worked out great.
Peene Valley Bog, Baltic Sea
It's not funny.
Why am I in a swamp?
Whip pan.
It's actually really simple, Joko.
You see a swamp here.
I see a sophisticated
CO2 filtering machine.
One of the world's best.
Most people know that trees
can capture CO2 from the air
and kindly reduce its presence
in the atmosphere.
What most people don't know
is that swamps can do the same and better.
Swamps cover 3%
of the worldwide land area.
Their soils, however, store more CO2
than all biomass of all forests.
Plants grow in the moorland,
like this reed.
They capture the CO2 from the atmosphere
and store it.
If their roots die, the CO2 is stored
through the wet ground into the peat.
It's the same as
the carbon capture project in Iceland.
The CO2 gets sucked in by the plant,
and then it's stored into the ground.
The problem is that most swamps
are no longer wet.
We drain them because we want to
use the land for agriculture.
The beneficial swamp water is pumped out
through drainage ditches,
and the dry swamp
can no longer store the carbon.
It slowly escapes into the atmosphere
as CO2.
We destroy this free CO2 reservoir
that nature has given us.
This leads to greenhouse gas emissions
higher than all German air traffic.
The good thing is that
when rewet dry swamps, which you can do,
they immediately stop releasing CO2.
And if the right plants grow back,
they even absorb CO2 again.
We can also use these wet swamps
for agriculture or forestry.
Now you know why we are in a swamp.
If I understand correctly,
we need technological solutions
because we have mistreated nature.
Nature could handle it.
Exactly.
Everything was balanced for 10,000 years,
but then we started releasing more CO2.
As nature started trying to buffer that,
we started to destroy it on a large scale.
Then more CO2 was released,
but less could be absorbed.
Maja Göpel is a climate protection expert,
political economist, and author.
Her work focuses
on major social transformations,
and she wanted me to hear Franziska
talk about the swamps.
And that was exactly the eye-opener
I needed.
I had no idea about swamps
before I came here.
It wasn't on my radar at all.
It's crazy what they can do.
And it makes me wonder.
Why do we approach things
from a technical perspective and are told,
"We have a solution,
and it's this machine here."
We have a strange alienation
in our culture.
Everything we focus on in everyday life
is fast, organized and machine-driven.
Also, you make a crazy amount of money
by developing technology and selling it.
If you say, "Something works great here,
let's just leave it", nobody earns money.
Do you also have the feeling
that all of the technical innovations
that exist are masking the problem
in communication?
You are made to believe
that it's all working.
I think we need both approaches.
-I think that would be good for us.
-Yes.
But also to be honest, if you ask
"What will have the greatest effect?"
We need to stop the process
that we now have to fix
and stop breaking it at all.
A different approach from the start.
My visit to the swamp made me realize
that whenever I thought about the future,
I thought about technology.
Why do we have such a cold
science-fiction vision of tomorrow?
Is what exists too boring?
Is nature not futuristic enough?
It's about more than
which technical solutions we invest in.
By funding these innovations, I can tell
that we will surprise almost everyone
with how this comes together.
Do I have to change my vision
of the future?
Should I stop seeing technology
and nature as opponents?
But instead as two puzzle pieces
of the same solution?
It's actually obvious.
Isn't a symbiosis of the two
simply smarter?
And easier to live with?
We would be happy...
I love being here in nature.
When I look around me now,
it's much more relaxing than when I'm...
You don't say,
"I want to relax, so I'm going
to Alexanderplatz in Berlin."
You don't hear anyone say that.
"On the weekend, I spent two days
at Alexanderplatz.
"God, it did me good."
To me, the most important thing
is to think about spaces.
I can address several needs together
in one square meter.
Then, it becomes a living space.
And that's what we should do in cities.
Is there a city that's a great example
of things going right?
Many have started doing this.
Copenhagen is an example.
They are doing great.
Copenhagen.
Historic port and trading city.
Home of inventors and innovators,
and for years an outstanding example
of how growth and innovation
can work in harmony with nature.
The city has grown by a fifth
in the past decade alone,
and yet it has managed
to almost halve its harmful emissions.
How did they do it?
Get on your bikes and go.
To become carbon neutral as
quickly as possible,
Copenhagen has naturally had to switch
to renewable energy.
This change can hardly be missed
when visiting the city's numerous beaches.
There are plenty of stiff winds here.
Next stop: Islands Brygge.
A generation ago, oil and sewage floated
in Copenhagen's harbor water.
And today?
Young and old alike cut a good
to very good figure here
thanks to modern purification plants.
Not just the best choice for audio tours,
but indispensable for the green cities
of the future: the bicycle.
Or in Danish: Cykel.
Over the last ten years, 200 million euros
were invested in their bicycle lanes.
The result?
385 km of cycle paths
run through the city,
and today there are five times
as many bicycles as cars.
And for longer distances,
or for those who can't ride a bike,
2 new metro lines opened
in the last three years.
Almost every inhabitant
can reach a station in ten minutes
and so is integrated
into the city's transport system.
Goods and building materials
also circulate through the city.
In the Resource Rows, Denmark's first
housing area made of recycled materials,
the walls of abandoned houses were
broken down to bricks and reassembled.
The housing project shows
how the circular economy can work
in a tangible way.
But, no matter
how well we take care of nature now,
we are already living
with extreme weather conditions.
To prevent flooding, rain is collected
in an underground reservoir.
And the rest of the year,
there is space for leisure.
The inhabitants,
despite their sustainable habits,
never seem to be missing anything.
On the contrary.
And this is why Copenhagen
is such a great example.
I totally get it.
And why we can't solve the climate crisis
without looking at cities,
how people live in them,
and how we operate them.
Today, around 50% of people
live in cities.
In a couple of decades,
it is going to be 70%.
And by the end of the century,
85% of people will live in cities.
Therefore, cities don't only affect
how we function as people or as a specie,
but they also have to support
the way we live.
What are the easiest things
that are done here
that could be taken up by other cities?
In Denmark, there's a big effort
on public health.
We try to improve things,
not because we want to reduce emissions,
but because we want to improve
the quality of life.
The bike lanes are not just there
to check the box for climate action.
The biking is for all to enjoy
and have access to.
It makes everyone feel a bit more equal
in the city.
One visionary in terms of quality of life
is Bjarke Ingels.
It's impossible to imagine Copenhagen
without his projects.
In addition to the Harbor Bath,
he is behind the Urban Rigger,
which are recycled shipping containers
on the water
that are converted into affordable
and solar-powered apartments for students.
The city's new hot icon is CopenHill,
a waste incineration plant that produces
clean heating for 10,000 households.
There, you can also climb, hike, and ski.
Instead of giving me a hand,
they turned the camera on in case I slip.
Hey, what...
Bjarke?
The man that the Wall Street Journal
once named "Innovator of the year"
has also made himself comfortable
on the water.
-Welcome to Copenhagen.
-Thanks.
Do you really live on a houseboat?
Or is that just for marketing?
Oh no.
It's the best way to live.
Let's get on board.
-Thanks.
-After you.
Should I take the shoes off?
The reason why we wanted to meet you
in the first place
is that you are a real visionary
in regards to
how cities and their architecture
can make an impact on the climate crisis.
Why did you choose to work on that?
Architecture is the art and science
of making sure that
the framework we have created for society
suits how we live our lives.
Life is always evolving.
As it evolves,
so must the way we accommodate it
with our cities and buildings.
Think about cars.
Cars didn't become a problem
because they're bad.
They became a problem
because they're incredibly good.
They provide freedom, solve problems
and give us opportunities.
Then we start using them for everything.
Which leads to traffic congestion,
accidents, and overcrowded cities.
You get an of avalanche of side effects
of cars
that in themselves are not terrible.
But they become a problem
because you use the car for everything.
It's similar with climate change.
We must find new ways
to deliver the same quality of life,
but do it so it doesn't happen
at the expense of the environment.
What do you think is the best way
to get people to have a desire
for the future?
I think one way to do that
is to put forward
incredibly desirable examples.
When we think about the future,
we often think about
either a dystopian society in collapse
like Blade Runner,
or we think about living in a hygienic,
sterile and all-white space shuttle.
I don't think either will be the future.
I think the future is...
We have the power to create the future
that we want.
In 2001, we launched our first project,
the Copenhagen Harbor Bath.
The port of Copenhagen had become so clean
you could swim in it.
On opening day, you saw the entire city
running into the water.
It was amazing.
A clean port isn't only nice for the fish.
A sustainable city is not only better
for the environment.
It's also more enjoyable for
people living in it.
And we thought
maybe this is a general idea.
We called it hedonistic sustainability.
If you don't think about sustainability
as a sacrifice or as a downgrade,
but instead as an upgrade
of your lifestyle,
then it becomes a more desirable choice
and people will choose it.
And is that something you easily found
when trying to design it,
or was it a big challenge to get there?
Of course, it's easier to do
what you always do.
But on the other hand, as an architect,
you're always looking for opportunities
to explore something new and different.
CopenHill is a perfect example
of sustainable technology.
The steam that you see coming out of it
is cleaner than the air of Copenhagen.
Really?
-It is...
-Weird.
-It's like clouds.
-Really?
That means that you don't have
to be far away from it.
Normally, you would put the waste
incineration plant
-as far away as possible.
-Far away.
You can climb the facade
if you are a good climber.
In your case...
-No.
-I would take it easy
You can also hike.
Maybe if I have a very good day.
On a very good day.
You can ski and hike on the roof.
And that, I think, makes it
blatantly obvious.
If you know what a typical plant
looks like
and you could have this instead,
why wouldn't you?
Still, this is kind of unique.
The reason why projects like this
are important
is because you move the status quo
a little bit higher.
It's like opening a door
that others can then walk through.
One of the things I love
is that we opened it in 2019.
My son is three years old.
He doesn't know that there was a time
when you couldn't climb the power plant
and you couldn't ski down the roof.
That's the world his generation grew up in
because we created it for them.
That means that it's their baseline.
When they think about something innovative
or crazy for the future,
that's where they begin.
I think true innovation and
paradigm change happens
when you realize
we can't continue like this.
We have to go somewhere else.
That's when you really unleash
incredible inventions.
I think that's happening now.
My idea of what the word future
actually means
has been shaken up quite a bit
during this journey.
If we stop dedicating half
of our human innovation and playfulness
to bringing about some
sad Hollywood dystopia,
we can instead create places
and opportunities
that aren't only good for the environment
but also for us.
Today, we are the pioneers
for what happens next.
Like Bjarke says,
"hedonistic sustainability".
Sustainable and worth living.
Nature and technology together.
You could simply end the documentary
with that.
I would be very satisfied.
Nature and technology working in harmony
makes perfect sense to me.
If others follow the example
of the city of Copenhagen,
then we will have achieved a lot.
My conscience.
What do you want now?
Not even the beginning?
Yes, okay, maybe I underestimated it.
It's pretty complex.
Yes. Probably more complex... Yes.
The journey is just beginning.
IN THE NEXT EPISODE...
-Oh my God.
-Is it...
Fuck.