Ted Bundy: Falling for a Killer (2020): Season 1, Episode 4 - Take Care of Yourself, Young Man - full transcript

Well, they're still
looking for murder suspect

Theodore Bundy,
who celebrated New Year's Eve

by escaping from
a Colorado jail.

Bundy's escape
bordered on a Houdini escapade.

The 5'11", 145-pound
former law student

ripped out a light fixture
and steel grating in the ceiling

and then manoeuvred
himself up through

a 12-inch by 12-inch
hole in the ceiling.

Ground units,
helicopters, and dogs

have been searching for Bundy.

Roadblocks have been set up



around the town of
Glenwood Springs,

and an all-points bulletin
has been issued.

If Bundy
is ever recaptured,

the Colorado prosecution
will continue

and he could be prosecuted
for one of the Utah murders

before this thing
is all over with.

But for the moment,

Theodore Bundy is merely
an escaped convicted kidnapper

and now one of the FBI's
most wanted men.

My dreams at
this time were extremely vivid.

A lot of times
they centred around my daughter.

Things like she was
either really injured

or she was really sick
and I needed help,

and the police told me
that they wouldn't help me



because I wouldn't
help them before,

and I was like,
"But here's my...

"My little girl needs help,"
and they said, "Sorry."

And it was just...
it was just awful.

I'd have to like
lay in bed and think,

"Did this happen,
or was this a dream?"

Like, I dreamt one night
that I had helped Ted

bury the first victim,

and I said that if he promised
to never do it again,

I would forgive him.

It's just like
I woke up thinking,

"My god, what's
my subconscious doing?"

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ABC News...

...the rather
amazing story of Mr. Bundy.

But law enforcement officials
here were confident

that Bundy would be found
again sooner or later.

This is Sandy Gilmour,
Newswatch 2,

in Glenwood Springs,
Colorado.

He rambled
around a little bit.

He went to Chicago
and then he went to Michigan.

He watched the Rose Bowl
game in a bar in Ann Arbor,

when he cheered for UW
and got roaring drunk, he said.

You know,
I was a teenager

when he was arrested,

and I didn't really see
the escaping as him

being full-on guilty,
'cause, you know,

I mean, I was a kid;
I was just being stupid

and naive, you know,
I was thinking...

like the...
the Fugitive story.

Richard Kimball ran away
to find the real killer,

you know, probably
what I was thinking.

And at the same time,
I was...

A part of me was
blocking it out going,

"Dude, whatever it is,
pssht...

"You can't do
nothing about it.

"Don't let it
ruin your life."

You know, it was part of me
trying to protect myself

from all the pain,
but I just said,

"Man, just go outside
and ride your skateboard."

"Fuck him,"
you know?

"If he's guilty, then...
scumbag gets what he gets."

You know?

I knew a few of
the girls beforehand.

Um, I didn't know
all of them, of course,

and I knew girls
at other houses as well,

but there was just something
that drew me to Chi Omega.

In sororities, you tend
to become a family.

You form a sisterhood

and you become friends
with these girls.

I think more so
than other sororities,

we were a little bit different.

The girls had their own
desires and wishes,

and they weren't
all the same.

So we were definitely
not a cookie-cutter

kind of organization.

Lisa was so honoured
to be a student

at Florida State University,
and just so happy to be there.

She taught me
how to do a line dance.

She had the hardest time

teaching me how to
do this line dance.

Now, I had had years of
ballroom dance training.

I had, at that point, I think
18 years of ballet training,

but I could not get
this line dance down,

and she was
so patient with me.

But through the course of her
teaching and instructing me,

we would just
crack up laughing.

We had gone to bed.

I don't recall what
it was that stirred me.

I just,
for whatever reason,

went immediately to Lisa's room
and opened the door and went in.

There she was.

You know, she was
covered in blood.

She was absolutely
covered in blood.

And she was moaning.

And I, you know,
reached out to her,

and she was touching her mouth,

and to this day,
I, you know,

I have that memory of her.

Four young women
were beaten with a club

and two of them were strangled
to death last night

by a man who found
his victims

sleeping in this sorority house
on the Tallahassee Campus

of Florida State University.

A man was seen leaving
the house with a club,

and another co-ed was beaten...

Um, I still have
the image in my mind,

and I still, you know,
care for her deeply,

and I just wish I
could've done something.

The killer
came in from the night

and then returned to it

with an ease that has
so far baffled police

and left most co-eds
here terrified.

He clubbed and then
strangled to death

20-year-old Lisa Levy
and 21-year-old Margaret Bowman.

At least one of
them was raped.

Then he brutally beat
three more sleeping co-eds,

Karen Chandler
and Kathy Kleiner.

Cheryl Anne Thomas
was severely beaten

in her apartment
six blocks away.

I think
there was this thought

that as long as you
didn't do harm to another

or put yourself
in a bad situation

that you could not be harmed.

And in fact, these
were totally innocent women

that were, you know,
unjustly attacked,

and two lives were taken.

I always
took my newspaper

on my morning break,

and when I was
reading the paper,

I saw this photograph
of a young woman

peering out from
behind a curtain

at the Chi Omega
Sorority House in Florida,

and I had this
really bad feeling

that it might be
the work of Ted.

The front door
of the Chi Omega House

was not only locked today,

a policeman stood guard
on the other side.

We knew we had somebody
who was in a rage,

somebody who wanted to murder,

somebody who was
capable of brutality

like I had never seen before,
and I had seen a lot.

Blood-stained
bedsheets

and numerous bags of other
evidence were prepared...

As I was leaving the
Chi Omega House after daybreak,

I got a phone call,

and it was investigators
from out west

telling me that,
you know,

had you thought about the
possibility it was Ted Bundy?

I said, "Well, you know,
this isn't his kind of crime."

This was a mass murder
all in one location in a house,

and there is nothing
in Ted Bundy's history

to indicate that he would
operate in that manner.

So I wrote his name down
because they gave it to me,

but I did not
and could not fathom

that he made his way
to Tallahassee

and then changed
his M.O. completely

and did something like this.

He was looking
for a college campus.

That's where
he felt comfortable.

That's where
he wanted to operate.

It's a migratory store,

almost like an animal
migrating somewhere

in search of a place to settle,

in search of a place to--
in search of prey.

I mean, it's very...
it's very primal.

And then he stole
a Florida State University van,

changed plates on it, again
trying to cover his tracks,

and trolled over a hundred
miles over to Lake City,

this small little town.

That little
12-year-old Kimberly Leach.

I mean...

this girl in middle school
walking along,

and he takes her, and...

found her in a hog shed
or whatever that was.

12 years old.

A child.

She looked
like a 12-year-old.

She didn't look--
you know, she wasn't--

she didn't look older
than her years.

She was a child.

She was taken in front
of her own school.

As a mother,
you're trying

to give your daughters
the best life ever.

But, you know,

what I really brought
into her life was...

rapes and murders
and lies and craziness.

It took me
a long time to take it in,

what that means to me.

I mean, it was...

It was hurtful

in the same that every single
murder that he committed,

every attack
that he carried out,

was hurtful to me.

This girl could be
my twin, you know?

We were the same.

And I really grappled with,

"Does this have anything
to do with me?"

And...

That's devastating.

The recklessness
of it seems to suggest

that he was careening
towards an end of some kind.

February 15th, 1978,

somewhere around 1:30 am
in the morning,

while on patrol with
the Pensacola Police Department,

I noticed a Volkswagen Bug
coming out of the alleyway

behind Oscar Woerner's
restaurant.

No headlights.

I came up behind him
and activate my blue lights

same time I'm running the tag,

and the tag come back
as a stolen vehicle.

I didn't have a backup
anywhere close by.

There was only three of us
working the entire city

of Pensacola that night.

I got him out of the car and
had him laying on the pavement.

He kept saying,
"Officer, what's wrong?

"Officer, what's wrong?"

Well,
initially when I was putting--

placing the handcuffs on him,

he kicked my feet
out from under me

and struck me with a handcuff

that had been placed
on one wrist,

and of course knocked me
off my feet,

and that's when it started.

I was chasing him,

hollering "Halt,"
and so forth.

Well, he turned,
and all I seen was a nickel,

and thought it was a gun,

so I levelled down
and fired.

So I said, "My god,
I've killed him."

And when
I went to see if he was shot,

I bend down,
he grabbed my wrist,

and we had a struggle
for control of my revolver.

And it's a heavy pistol,

and when I broke it away,

it swung and slapped him
on the cheek.

And if you see pictures right
after the suspect was arrested,

there's a big bruise
on the side of his cheek,

and that was from
my pistol barrel.

There's no doubt in my mind
that he'd have killed me

if he had taken my gun
away from me.

He didn't give us much
information initially.

The driver's licence
that he had

was in the name of
Kenneth Misner.

Norman Chapman was
the detective on call,

and me and Norman
started interview him.

I kept
keying on his eyes.

His eyes were alarming to me.

They were deep,
steel-blue eyes,

and at first I couldn't
figure out what it was

I was keying on,

but it was his eyes.

And it was
also the feeling.

Once I got around him,
I had this feeling

I'd never felt before.

It was a feeling of, um...

I guess the best way
to describe it

was a frustration and doom.

And from then on,
when I got this feeling,

I knew I'd been around somebody
who'd murdered somebody,

not somebody who killed
somebody in self-defence,

somebody who had
murdered somebody.

By this time, everybody
in the investigation is saying,

"Chapman, who do you have?"

And I said,
"Well, I don't know."

"Well, how come
you don't know?"

Well, see, we didn't have
computers or anything

back in the 70s.

We had to take him to the
first appearance for the judge.

No, sir.

I thought, sure,
him going before the judge

it did tell who he was.

He said, I ain't tell you.

So the judge refused
to set a bond on him

because he didn't know
who he was.

So I bring him back
to the police station.

His attorneys went in,
talked a few minutes,

and then when
they called me in,

they said he wants to wait
until he contacts some people

before he releases
his identification.

There's some people he wants to
let them know he's in custody.

I says, "Okay."

I says, "I will give him
two hours to call anybody

"he wants to before I put
him back in his cell."

I said,
"He gotta call collect,

"because Pensacola
Police Department

"pays for no more
phone calls."

Are you aware that
this interview is being taped?

Yes.

Is it taped
with your approval?

Yes.

Okay.

Would you describe
the telephone call

that you received
from Ted Bundy?

He called collect.

My daughter accepted
the charges.

I told him that he
shouldn't be calling me,

that my phone
had a trap on it,

and he said that
he was in custody,

and I asked him where
and he said Florida.

He said-- he repeated
over and over again

that this was really
gonna be bad when it broke,

that it was not gonna break
until tomorrow morning.

It'd be in the press, but
it was gonna be really ugly.

And I said,

"I was really afraid that
you might be in that area

"and that you
might have done it."

And he said,

"You know, I can't really
talk to you about things."

He said, "I wish I could
sit down and tell you things

"without anybody listening."

And I said, "Are you trying
to tell me that you're sick?"

And he said,
"Back off."

He got really angry.
He said, "Back off."

He says,
"That's not it at all."

And I wasn't--
I was really confused.

Took me a long time to, like,
calm down after that.

Theodore Bundy
came back to Tallahassee

early Sunday morning
in a Pensacola police cruiser

escorted by Leon County
sheriff's deputies.

It was in Tallahassee
that Bundy allegedly stole

21 credit cards,
three sets of identification,

and a Volkswagen.

Authorities also
say they can...

Saturday morning at 2
he called again, collect,

and he said that
he wanted to talk about

what we'd been talking about
on the first phone call.

And I said, "You mean
about being sick?"

And he said, "Yes."

Sherriff Ken Katsaris
said investigators

will continue pursuing all leads
in the Chi Omega murders

despite having Bundy
as a prime suspect.

He told me
that he...

he knew now there was something
that he couldn't be around.

And when I asked him what,
he said, "Don't make me say it."

So I knew that he was meaning
young, beautiful women.

He just was
addicted to killing.

And he started
to tell me about this force,

is what he called it,

and he said it would just
start building within him,

and he would...

It would take him,
you know, days

before he really acted out.

But once he acted out,

it was just over.

And he mentioned the day

that the two women were abducted
from Lake Sammamish.

And he said,
"I remembered when you and I

"went to eat hamburgers
after that, and ice cream."

And he said, "I remembered
what had happened."

He said, "It wasn't like
I'd had a blackout."

And he said, "But it was
just like it was over."

And I was just shocked,

because I thought if
he did do these things

that he had to have
two personalities

or something like that,

but he was telling me
that this is just him.

Why do you
think he did that?

I think
he was... beat.

I think he...
he knew that he...

he couldn't live
in freedom anymore

because he was too murderous.

He said to me,
"Didn't you always know?"

And it's just like...

"Well, yes and no."

And it's like...

I dunno.
It's very...

It's a very confusing
emotional conversation.

Um...

I asked him

if I somehow played
a part in what had happened,

and he said no,

that for years
before he even met me,

he'd been fighting
the same sickness,

and that when it broke,
we just happened to be together.

I feel like
for so long...

this mental confusion
that I had about,

is he guilty,
is he capable,

is he really
a nice, wonderful guy

that I should love,
or...?

And that mental confusion

I think was all just
part of me not being able

to face the facts.

And once I got off
the phone,

I just felt like...

I was glad
to know the truth,

but I also felt like
the truth was just so ugly

that I just felt like...

I felt really upset,

and very desolate
that this was true,

that this man I knew
did these things.

Not only did I know him,
I loved him.

So it was very difficult.

Wanted
for questioning

in at least 36 cases of rape,
murders, and missing women

in several western states
since 1973.

The FBI said Bundy escaped
from a jail near Aspen, Colorado

last December.

He was awaiting trial there
on a sex slaying charge.

In January, according
to Florida police,

Bundy was living
in Tallahassee

at the time when five
Florida State University co-eds

were attacked
on or near the campus.

Two of the young women died
as a result of the attack...

He alluded to Tallahassee.

I asked him specifically
about the Florida murders,

and he told me that he didn't
want to talk about them.

But then in the same
conversation he said

that he felt like he had
a disease like alcoholism,

like the alcoholic that
couldn't take another drink.

I really thought
he was gonna confess.

That's what he was
talking about.

So I was really disappointed
in the following days

when he didn't.

When he called me
in my office

after a few weeks
of not confessing,

I could have easily fallen into
a chatty conversation with him

because that was
our pattern,

but I... I already knew

that I was coming out
from under the spell,

but at that point
the spell was broken,

and I just hung up on him.

I was in the early stages
of my journalism career,

and I met an attorney

who was at that point
representing Ted Bundy.

He called me and asked
if I would be interested

in covering
the Ted Bundy case,

and in particular be interested
in speaking with Bundy

face-to-face.

So I said, "Okay."

I walked in
with this attorney,

and he was sitting
with a stack of papers,

and he was writing,

and the first thing I noticed
was that there was

classical music
playing on the radio,

and I asked him about that.

And he said, "Yeah,
that's the local college

"public radio station."

He was
very soft-spoken,

very charming,

made direct eye contact
the whole time.

I began to ask him about
different parts of his life,

his childhood.

I was probing the same things
that people would probe

for years thereafter.

What kind of a childhood
did he have?

What was the relationship
with his mother?

And the more we talked,

the more normal
he seemed to be.

On my way out,
I was really shaken.

Here was somebody
who I knew in my heart

had killed many women,
I just knew it.

And yet I felt that the
person I was speaking with

in that jail cell
was not the person

who did all these
horrible things.

The fact that someone

whose background
was so similar to mine

could host a being

capable of doing
those horrible things,

I just couldn't separate
myself from him.

If he was
capable of it,

then I had to confront
the notion that maybe

I could have been capable
of something like that.

A man who was
a suspect in several cases

of murder in four states

has been formally charged
in Florida with three.

Okay...

Ladies and gentlemen
of the press,

I'm meeting with you tonight

to inform you that
Theodore Robert Bundy

has been indicted by
the Grand Jury of Leon County

this afternoon and...

I was the director
of the investigation

that involved Ted Bundy.

I had the authority
to take over,

and to discharge my duties
by directing, and I did.

I did not want to lose
total control over him.

Every time he did anything,

it was approved by me.

So, one person took,
and I admit it,

absolute control.

...back here.

I don't want any
motioning to me.

I went to Judge Cowart
and to Harry Morrison,

who was the state attorney,

and said,
"Here's my dilemma.

"We have the indictment.

"I want to get it
out of the way,

"but the media
wants to be there."

Judge Cowart said,

"Sheriff, read that
indictment tonight."

I have copies for you.

You do.

I have copies
of the indictment

to give each of you,
so you're not...

Harry Morrison,
the state attorney said,

"I agree.
It's your jail;

"it's your inmate.
Handle it."

I said, "Okay."

I had no idea how
he was going to react.

Gentlemen, I'm not
to be paraded.

Step out, Mr. Bundy.

What do
we have here, Ken?

Let's see.

It's an indictment.
All right.

Why don't you
read it to me?

You're up for
election aren't you?

Mr. Bundy...

You got it,
didn't you?

Mr. Bundy...

You told them
that you were gonna get me.

He said he was
gonna get me, okay?

You've got the indictment.
It's all you're gonna get.

Let's read it.
Let's go.

Theodore Robert Bundy,
you are charged...

Ken Katsaris realized
what a bounty he had,

and I just thought he was,
you know, a guy on the way up,

a showman,

and I think he saw this
as an opportunity

to get local state
but also national media

by putting someone
on display in his care,

which was not ethical at all.

He was willing
to risk a show

to sort of trot him out.

Unprecedented, no legal
reason for the show

other than just seeking
publicity for himself,

as Katsaris.

Now, in Bundy he had
a willing victim.

I mean, Bundy realized
the media could help him,

because it had in the past,

to humanize him.

And so any opportunity he got
to use the press,

he would use.

...the death
of said Lisa Levy.

My chance to
talk to the press.

Contrary to section
78204 Florida Statute.

I'll plead
not guilty right now.

And your grand jurors
being present...

Obviously I got
a lot of criticism

because the media got to see
the indictment reading.

But they got a chance
to see Ted Bundy

with those eyes piercing,
and him saying,

"I am gonna plead
not guilty right now."

I've been kept
in isolation for six months.

I've been kept
away from the press.

I've been buried by you.

You've been talking
for six months.

I think it's my turn now.
All right?

We got a
court order that you--

there wont be
any press interviews.

Sure there won't be
any press interviews.

You've given them out.
I'm gagged, you're not.

Okay.

will
read you your rights.

I'll be heard.

He was a guy
powerless at this point,

in a jumpsuit,
being subjected to a show

by someone who had complete
control over his life.

It changed the balance,
because before that,

the feelings against Ted
were running very high.

I mean, the feelings
in Tallahassee

were very, very raw
in these killings

and the injuring
of these women,

and it may have slowed down
the sort of community-wide anger

and fear that had been
generated by Ted.

I have to say
that when I look at that tape,

it really looks like
a media event.

See what I'm saying?

That's why I never responded.

Everybody has
their own opinion.

But what's
your response to that?

What do you say to that?

I don't care
what you think.

While the trial
was getting underway

here at the courthouse,

the 8th floor of the
bank building next door

was buzzing with activity.

Theodore Robert Bundy
is national news.

The Bundy trial,
in effect,

was the OJ trial of 1979.

Three key things
happened in court today

as the murder trial of
Ted Bundy continues

in these three days of
free trial hearings.

The major surprise came
late in the afternoon

when Bundy, wearing
a Seattle Mariners T-shirt,

took the stand...

We knew
we had a big story.

We knew that it was a first

in terms of a big,
national, international trial

on television.

Tonight, Ted Bundy
and cameras in the courtroom.

We're in the
newsroom on the ninth floor

of the Metro Justice building,
five floors above the courtroom.

Keep your pieces short

so that we can
all get on the air.

Smile, Ted.

I mean, the
networks were there.

We had a feed room.

We built a newsroom
in a courthouse.

If the verdict
is guilty of murder

in the first degree,

Bundy could be
sentenced to die.

You had young women
who had been brutally murdered

by a really good-looking guy
that didn't fit the pattern.

I mean, it had
all the elements.

It was made for TV,
and TV was there.

Three, two, one.

Here he comes.

Is anybody using
a walkie-talkie on this floor?

You're breaking up the feed!

Get ready, Larry,
it's coming up.

Murder trials are drama
more than anything else.

They're ritualized dramas:

a beginning, a middle,
and an end.

There's usually a resolution,
unlike many things in life.

I prefer to be in
the courtroom every day

because that's just
the way I do what I do.

Sometimes you just feel
something in the courtroom,

a look on somebody's face,
you know,

an intake of breath
in the jury box.

During what
might be the most

brutally descriptive
day of testimony,

Ted Bundy looked more
like a defence attorney

than a defendant
on trial for his life.

When Ted insisted
on defending himself,

he wanted to show that
he was a competent lawyer

in the making.

But then I think the limelight
infected him in some way,

and I think he was really
then playing to this

much larger audience
than that 12 people

in the jury box.

You gonna talk to me,
or are you gonna talk to them?

I'm gonna show
this to Mr. Miller.

He was focused
on managing his image,

but when he stood up
to question a witness,

it wasn't because
there was a point to it,

it was he was standing up
to question a witness,

and they caught that on camera.

Do you recall her
telling you that she...

she remembers the
assailant being young?

Objection.

And he looked like
a lawyer and he asked questions,

his mouth moved,
and so, you know,

therefore the public would say,

"Wow, that's amazing.
This guy's like a lawyer."

And the fact that the press,
you know, responded to him

just encouraged him.

I thought
he enjoyed it too much.

I would see him on TV carrying
boxes of legal documents,

and playing
the role of attorney

like this is his big chance
to act like an attorney.

It was just bizarre.

Nita, do you see
the man that you saw

at the door of the Chi Omega
house on January 15, 1978,

Yes, I believe I do.

I was at my grandparents'
house in the summer,

and it was my habit
to watch TV in the mornings

down there, and...

This is the first time
that I've seen him in life.

I would sit
and watch this every day,

and nobody really understood
what I was watching.

...and I think I
recognize it now better

than I ever have before.

That was
the moment for me

where I just...
my whole world shifted

and I saw him as something
entirely different.

It's one thing to know that
someone's probably guilty,

but it's another thing
to really understand

guilty of what.

My jaw was broken
in three places.

I had lacerations
on my shoulder

and like whiplash
on my neck.

And I had
cuts on my head.

I had a broken jaw.

Some of my teeth
were knocked out.

It was...

really...

so shattering to see

these murdered women,

to see the evidence that
depicted their smashed heads,

and...

hear about
the physical things

that were inflicted upon them,

and see the evidence of such.

It was horrendous.

And I knew.

It's just like,
where do you get disbelief

at that point?

I couldn't find it,
and I loved him very much.

Still?

At that time, yes,
I loved him very much.

There were some
journalists who felt

that Bundy was innocent,

that he couldn't
have done this.

He was relaxed
and confident in court,

and took the time to chat
a few minutes with me

about Seattle,
about his family,

and to welcome me
to Miami,

smiling when the guard
very obviously wanted

our conversation to end.

He got coverage
that fell for his act.

That was a failure
on the part of the press,

a failure to look deeper
and think harder

about what it was
they were dealing with.

Theodore
Robert Bundy at age 25,

a Republican campaign
worker in Seattle.

At 28, a University of Utah
law student.

At 30, a Colorado
jail escapee

and one of the FBI's
10 Most Wanted men.

That must've been
a terrifying moment

for this young man who has
maintained his innocence

in every crime he has
been accused of.

It's a discounting
of the stories of the women

in favour of
the central hero,

for lack of a better word,

being the most important
character in the narrative.

Each day the courtroom
is filled with spectators

drawn by a fascination
with Theodore Bundy himself,

or by the gruesome details
of the crimes.

You try to imagine
yourself in his place

and to see how he's feeling,

looking at the pillows with
bloodstains and everything,

if he really did it or not.

It scares me be
in the same room with him,

but I know there's other
people in there, so...

Why do you do it?

I don't know.

But one woman
who has been at the trial

for the past four days,

and who frequently
confers with Bundy,

has another impression
entirely.

Carole Boone believes Bundy
is completely innocent.

Some have called her
his girlfriend.

She prefers to be known as
just a close personal friend.

In the beginning
people were saying,

"Have you heard about
this woman, Carole Boone?"

She was in the courtroom
I think pretty much every day.

She was not expressive,

except for this
weird smile she had

when she would
talk about stuff.

She was just
a little strange,

and no matter
what happened,

no matter what the day's
testimony was,

she would have an explanation
for why it was wrong

or not incriminating.

Carole Boone says
she first met Ted Bundy

five years ago when they
worked in the same office

in Seattle, Washington.

Since that time,
she has followed him,

helping him prepare
his legal cases, from Utah,

where he was convicted of
kidnapping a young woman,

to Colorado, where he is
suspected of murdering another,

and finally now to Florida.

Let me put it this way.
I... I don't think that...

that Ted belongs in jail.

The things in Florida
don't concern me.

Carole would come up
and just talk to

individual reporters,
and my memory is

that she would be
spinning for Ted.

She was definitely
talking on his behalf,

and she seemed
absolutely sincere.

Boone says
she has twice been allowed

to visit Bundy in jail

since he was brought
to Miami six days ago.

She describes him as nervous
but cautiously hopeful.

Well, what
did you make of him

taking up with
Carole Boone?

I'm just
glad it wasn't me.

I'll call
Carole Boone.

I just felt
like she's gonna be

just as roped in
as I was,

she's gonna be used
just like I was.

This isn't gonna
end well for her.

And are you familiar
with the defendant, myself?

Yes.

And how long
have you known me?

Since
May of 1974.

He had spent
a lifetime observing women

and deciding which was
going to become a victim,

and I think he could tell

when women had
the codependence issue

where they wanted to help him
in any way they could.

I don't think they
had reason to charge Ted Bundy

with... with murder
in either Leon County or...

or Columbia County.

You know,
all the facts of the case,

I don't understand how she
made it through all of that

and still believed in him.

What is that picture of?

That's
a photograph of you,

taken several years ago,
before you were in custody.

But I do believe
she believed in him.

I mean, I can't judge her.

I can't judge any single person,
you know, in this story.

I mean, we all just
did the best we could.

But I don't-- I'm not sure
why her story went like that.

... that
these two right here,

which are State's exhibits
number six and seven...

On one of the days
that they presented

the autopsy photographs,

what I was seeing was
the graphic evidence

of the damage
he did to these women.

You know, they're horrific
pictures, horrible stuff.

As I looked at these women,

these women looked like
women who I knew.

I was the same age as Bundy.

I was still on the fringes
of a college campus,

and these were
faces of people

that I could see
on my own campus

in my own college town.

On that day,
I left the trial coverage

and was having dinner
with another journalist

and I just in
the middle of dinner,

I just started to weep
because it was so horrific.

How could you maintain
that intensity

of hatred for women

and be able to do this
time after time after time?

The verdict is in.

Guilty on seven counts,

including assault
and burglary,

attempted murder,
and murder.

At this point, the judge
has recessed the jury

until Saturday morning.

At that time, the 12
members will decide

whether to recommend
the death penalty.

This court,
independent of,

but in agreement with,
the advisor's sentence

rendered by the jury

does hereby impose
the death penalty

upon the defendant,
Theodore Robert Bundy.

All of us who covered
that trial can remember

categorically what
he said to Bundy

when he-- after he
sentenced him to die.

Take care of
yourself, young man.

Thank you.

I say that
to you sincerely.

Take care of yourself.

It's a tragedy for
this court to see

such a total waste,
I think, of humanity

that I have experienced
in this court.

You're a bright young man.

You'd have made
a good lawyer.

I'd have loved to have you
practice in front of me,

but you went another way,
partner.

Take care of yourself.

I don't have any
animosity to you.

I want you to know it.
Take care of yourself.

- Thank you.
- Court will be in recess.

That he would say
that to him with no concern

really for what these
women actually experienced...

It's almost paying
homage to him,

and that is a
scary, scary thing.

Following
this court case,

he will stand trial
in Lake City, Florida

for another death,

that of 12-year-old
Kimberly Anne Leach.

Wearing a blue
bowtie and a big grin,

Theodore Bundy faced
the jury for the last time.

They reconvened to hear
testimony from both sides

before deciding whether
to recommend life in prison

or the death penalty.

The defence called only
one witness, Carole Boone.

Acting as his own lawyer,

Bundy questioned her
about his character.

She said he's a kind,
warm, patient man,

a very positive part
of her life.

Then the convicted man
popped the question.

- Will you marry me?
- Yes, I will.

Then I do hereby
marry you, okay.

When they got
married, I just thought...

I felt slightly disgusted

just because
it was such a Ted...

showboating type thing to do.

He married her
on the stand,

at the trial of this girl

who he...

raped and mutilated
and murdered,

and...

every year that
I have gained since then,

I think about her and the years
that she did not gain.

The prosecution
called the marriage proposal

a charade, and asked
the jury to consider

the timing of
the announcement.

The jury deliberated
about 45 minutes.

They came back with
a decision of death.

A majority of the
jury advise and recommend

to the court that it
impose the death penalty

upon the defendant,
Theodore Robert Bundy,

dated this 9th day
of February, 1980,

in Orlando,
Orange County, Florida.

It is further ordered
that you, Theodore Robert Bundy,

be taken by
the proper authority

to the Florida State Prison,
and there be kept

and closely confined till the
date of your execution is set.

I mean,
so many women died,

and I just felt like,
"Why am I still alive?"

And I was miserable.

I think about the fear
that they must've felt

once this charming man
turned into the monster

that he was.

I just felt decimated.

That I was a complete failure
as a human being

and as a mother,

and...

that I really
didn't deserve

to be alive.

And I should be dead too.